WEBVTT - RHONJ: Pay Attention, Please! with Danielle Staub 0:00:00.560 --> 0:00:03.840 We're new to filming. We're just like a couple episodes in. 0:00:03.920 --> 0:00:05.960 I don't think we'd been filming for even a month 0:00:05.960 --> 0:00:09.360 at that point, and we weren't getting the scene that 0:00:09.400 --> 0:00:12.280 you guys wanted. And I understand how this works. I've 0:00:12.320 --> 0:00:15.120 been on camera for many, many years or many times 0:00:15.160 --> 0:00:17.160 prior to that, so I'm like, I'm just gonna give 0:00:17.200 --> 0:00:19.200 you what you want. Tell me what you want me 0:00:19.320 --> 0:00:22.280 to do, and I will do it so I can wrap. 0:00:22.560 --> 0:00:25.400 And you're like, put these on and you handed me 0:00:26.239 --> 0:00:29.720 eight or nine inches to the lettles by Gucci open towel. Beautiful. 0:00:30.080 --> 0:00:34.320 But I also think I said, huh, just promise me 0:00:34.400 --> 0:00:37.160 this isn't going to be like the way people think 0:00:37.200 --> 0:00:41.040 of me for all times and like an opening scene. 0:00:41.080 --> 0:00:43.280 And you're like, I can't promise you that, but I'll 0:00:43.280 --> 0:00:50.000 try opening scene me walking to white Pool instill Lettos. 0:00:50.920 --> 0:00:54.200 That is all Carlos, Yes, and I'll be honest with you. 0:00:54.320 --> 0:00:56.720 It did make my legs look super hot. 0:01:00.040 --> 0:01:04.200 Stay tuned look into my conversation with Danielle Stouths right 0:01:04.280 --> 0:01:12.360 after quick ads. 0:01:13.280 --> 0:01:15.119 Welcome to Reality with the King. 0:01:15.600 --> 0:01:20.080 It's me Carlos King, the King of Reality TV and 0:01:20.160 --> 0:01:25.040 one of the most sought after executive producers in reality television. 0:01:25.480 --> 0:01:28.080 With over ten years of production. 0:01:27.920 --> 0:01:32.880 Experience, I've executive produced top rated programs such as eight 0:01:32.959 --> 0:01:34.000 seasons of the. 0:01:33.959 --> 0:01:35.280 Real Housewives of Atlanta. 0:01:35.760 --> 0:01:40.199 Additionally, I have created shows such as Netflix Is Styling, 0:01:40.280 --> 0:01:45.200 Hollywood Owns, number one rated Love and Marriage Franchise, and 0:01:45.319 --> 0:01:47.000 TV one's Hollywood. 0:01:46.560 --> 0:01:48.280 Divas, just to name a few. 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:52.160 Twice a week on Reality with the King, we'll sit 0:01:52.240 --> 0:01:56.840 down with my friends across the entertainment industry, recap our 0:01:57.080 --> 0:02:01.200 favorite reality shows and revisit I forget about moments that 0:02:01.280 --> 0:02:07.960 we are still talking and tweeting about. Hey, rain drops. 0:02:08.400 --> 0:02:12.120 On today's podcast, Reality with the King, I got someone 0:02:12.160 --> 0:02:16.360 that I considered to be one of the greatest housewives 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:21.000 of all time. She was actually number ten on my list. Honey, 0:02:21.520 --> 0:02:27.080 that's right. I'm talking about the iconic legend herself, Danielle Style. 0:02:28.600 --> 0:02:30.440 Look I love me some Danielle. 0:02:30.639 --> 0:02:33.680 As you all know, I produced the first two seasons 0:02:33.760 --> 0:02:36.679 of the Real Housewives of New Jersey, and I was 0:02:36.760 --> 0:02:38.920 Danielle's producer season one. 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:41.320 Season two, she told me not to come to our 0:02:41.320 --> 0:02:43.520 house child. We talk about that. 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:47.960 We also talk about her experience being on the show 0:02:48.320 --> 0:02:51.240 how I feel she doesn't get the credit she deserves 0:02:51.360 --> 0:02:55.320 for the success of the Real Housewives of New Jersey. Yes, 0:02:55.400 --> 0:02:58.160 Teresa is an icon of the legend and I love 0:02:58.160 --> 0:03:01.959 her too. However, I think Danielle needs to get the 0:03:02.000 --> 0:03:06.440 same exact credit as Teresa because they both made the 0:03:06.480 --> 0:03:10.200 show a hit. And that's coming straight from me. We 0:03:10.360 --> 0:03:14.720 also get into her relationship with Melissa Gorga and whether 0:03:14.840 --> 0:03:20.959 or not she was fired after pulling Margaret's hair. Yes, honey, 0:03:21.040 --> 0:03:24.399 we talk about it all. So without further ado get 0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:26.240 into my conversation. 0:03:26.200 --> 0:03:29.120 With my girl, Danielle Stou. 0:03:30.400 --> 0:03:33.440 Where were you when you found out that I coined 0:03:33.480 --> 0:03:37.080 you as number ten of the greatest housewives of all time? 0:03:37.560 --> 0:03:41.400 Literally sitting about right where I am now, and I'm 0:03:41.520 --> 0:03:45.120 sipping my tea as I am now, and I'm looking 0:03:45.160 --> 0:03:49.040 at my phone. Let's pretend it's here, and I'm like, huh, 0:03:49.120 --> 0:03:53.520 I got an alert Carlos King wait what page six? 0:03:53.640 --> 0:03:59.080 What what's happening? And I'm like, holy shit. Finally he's 0:03:59.160 --> 0:04:02.480 like speaking for me, and I was like, oh my god, 0:04:02.520 --> 0:04:05.040 I'm so honored. I nearly fell off my chair. I 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:08.080 ran around, like wanting to tell somebody, but when you're alone, 0:04:08.160 --> 0:04:10.240 it's not as like it doesn't have as big of 0:04:10.320 --> 0:04:12.960 a well, but it can today, Like I can tell 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:16.040 everybody today. I think I reposted it like thirty times. 0:04:16.080 --> 0:04:18.520 I didn't even know what pages I was reposting it from. 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:22.440 I just ran with it because not for nothing, it's 0:04:22.520 --> 0:04:26.360 huge to me. You came into my life at the 0:04:26.400 --> 0:04:30.040 same time our lives collided on the show. Yes, and 0:04:30.680 --> 0:04:33.640 without you, just like you said, there would be no 0:04:33.760 --> 0:04:36.760 season two without me in season one and no table 0:04:36.800 --> 0:04:39.640 Flip and without all that. There would have been none 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:42.760 of that without you because you were holding my hand, 0:04:42.800 --> 0:04:45.120 guiding me. I mean, we were fourteen eighteen hours a 0:04:45.160 --> 0:04:46.960 day sometimes go into it. 0:04:47.200 --> 0:04:47.960 Let me tell y'all. 0:04:48.000 --> 0:04:50.040 So I wasn't a social producer. 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:51.200 You guys know the story. 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:54.080 My first reality show was The Real Housewalds at Atlanta 0:04:54.160 --> 0:04:56.359 in two thousand and eight, and I did that during 0:04:56.360 --> 0:04:59.480 the summer, I was called to do The Real Housewalts 0:04:59.520 --> 0:05:01.640 of New Jersey, and you guys know that I was 0:05:01.680 --> 0:05:06.039 assigned to Nimi Leagues on Atlanta and on New Jersey. 0:05:06.160 --> 0:05:11.520 I was assigned to Danielle Staub, That's right, and. 0:05:11.680 --> 0:05:13.920 We instantly fell in love. 0:05:14.360 --> 0:05:17.839 And that opening shot of Danielle wearing the heels going 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:20.440 to the pool was my idea. 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:24.200 It was all your idea. I mean, I have taken 0:05:24.320 --> 0:05:26.240 so many people have said, you know, you could have 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:29.200 just like Warren flats or flips. That's what people do. 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:33.120 I'm like, in my mind, I would say every time 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:37.719 and reply, but never publicly, like bitch, I wore flip flops. 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:41.039 They made me put these on because it was either 0:05:41.160 --> 0:05:44.080 that or we would keep filming until we found something 0:05:44.160 --> 0:05:47.440 that would that wow factor. So here's how it went. 0:05:47.680 --> 0:05:52.120 I was getting my you know, my monthly you know, 0:05:52.160 --> 0:05:56.560 a little visitor, and I was becoming very cranky and angry. 0:05:56.600 --> 0:05:59.960 And we're new to filming. We're just like a couple 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:02.440 episodes in. I don't think we'd been filming for even 0:06:02.480 --> 0:06:05.800 a month at that point, and we weren't getting the 0:06:05.839 --> 0:06:08.960 scene that you guys wanted. And I understand how this works. 0:06:09.000 --> 0:06:11.640 I've been on camera for many, many years and many 0:06:11.680 --> 0:06:13.880 times prior to that. So I'm like, I'm just gonna 0:06:13.880 --> 0:06:15.960 give you what you want. Tell me what you want 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:18.520 me to do, and I will do it so I 0:06:18.560 --> 0:06:21.640 can wrap. And you're like, put these on, and you 0:06:21.760 --> 0:06:25.640 handed me eight or nine inch stilettos by Gucci, open 0:06:25.720 --> 0:06:30.599 towel beautiful. But I also think I said, huh, just 0:06:30.680 --> 0:06:33.240 promise me, this isn't going to be like the way 0:06:33.360 --> 0:06:37.120 people think of me for all times and like an 0:06:37.120 --> 0:06:39.760 opening scene. And You're like, I can't promise you that, 0:06:39.880 --> 0:06:44.640 but I'll try opening scene me walking to white Pool 0:06:46.080 --> 0:06:50.320 install lettos. That was all Carlos, Yes, and I'll be 0:06:50.360 --> 0:06:53.680 honest with you. It did make my legs look super hot. 0:06:54.080 --> 0:06:56.440 Well, Danielle, you're a hot and that was the thing 0:06:56.520 --> 0:06:59.000 because Danielle was the devorce say on. 0:06:58.960 --> 0:07:02.480 The show Brushley Divorce. It was right on the heels 0:07:02.520 --> 0:07:02.760 of it. 0:07:02.880 --> 0:07:07.560 And when Carlos King is assigned to you, we're going 0:07:07.600 --> 0:07:09.279 to make iconic moments happen. 0:07:09.400 --> 0:07:10.880 And I knew that. 0:07:11.040 --> 0:07:13.080 I wanted to make sure that the moment you saw 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:17.240 Danielle Stobb, it had to be memorable. So thank you 0:07:17.320 --> 0:07:20.360 for trusting me. You and I were a great team. 0:07:20.840 --> 0:07:23.040 To be honest with you, If they had assigned me 0:07:23.080 --> 0:07:25.720 anybody else, it wouldn't have gone the same way. I 0:07:25.960 --> 0:07:28.640 get where you're coming from when I meet people or 0:07:28.680 --> 0:07:31.080 they meet me at my level, and you met me 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:33.560 at my level. You knew what I needed to make 0:07:33.640 --> 0:07:37.160 me shine, and I couldn't have felt comfortable doing that 0:07:37.240 --> 0:07:41.600 and owning my own sexuality and sensuality and and my 0:07:42.160 --> 0:07:45.240 you know, my hotness like I was in my forties. 0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:48.600 But I think that, you know, it's just so many 0:07:49.000 --> 0:07:53.400 times that you know, you and crew will get unnoticed 0:07:53.440 --> 0:07:56.400 for the things that they've done. I've always tried to 0:07:56.440 --> 0:07:59.760 acknowledge the fact that, like you guys made me shine, 0:07:59.840 --> 0:08:01.840 were there every day to make me shine. 0:08:02.160 --> 0:08:05.960 Talk to me about that first season, because one thing 0:08:06.040 --> 0:08:09.360 that I revealed on my podcast is I was the 0:08:09.400 --> 0:08:12.640 one who went underneath the table to hand you the 0:08:12.640 --> 0:08:14.480 book that took place on the table. 0:08:14.960 --> 0:08:18.520 But prior to that, talk to the audience about how. 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:23.200 You even discovered that there were conversations about this book 0:08:23.560 --> 0:08:26.960 unbeknownst to you that the other cast members were shooting 0:08:27.000 --> 0:08:27.680 scenes about it. 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:32.000 The discovery of the book came about quite frankly, because 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:36.240 I was told by Jaccolin, you know, that it was 0:08:36.240 --> 0:08:41.800 circulating and that Dina had been at the helm of that. 0:08:42.679 --> 0:08:45.280 And it didn't matter how it came about. I was 0:08:45.320 --> 0:08:48.120 grateful that I knew about it, because here I am 0:08:48.559 --> 0:08:52.160 living a life different from when I was nineteen and 0:08:52.280 --> 0:08:57.080 twenty years old, and you wouldn't think you'd be judged 0:08:57.120 --> 0:08:59.480 for something you did when you were a kid. You 0:08:59.559 --> 0:09:01.800 think you'd be patted on the back for surviving it, 0:09:02.360 --> 0:09:06.800 or maybe just like curious, how did you get through 0:09:06.800 --> 0:09:07.560 something like that? 0:09:08.040 --> 0:09:11.559 And did Jack want to tell you off camera first? Yeah, 0:09:11.600 --> 0:09:13.960 you kept out a secret for a long time, Danielle. 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:16.240 I kept a lot of secrets. I still have a 0:09:16.240 --> 0:09:19.199 lot of them vested because I'm just not that person. 0:09:19.360 --> 0:09:21.640 But there's a point in my life that I've gotten 0:09:21.679 --> 0:09:24.760 to now where I realize this is not in any 0:09:24.800 --> 0:09:29.920 way an act of getting back at somebody. It's just 0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:33.400 I'm not going to carry their load anymore. It's a 0:09:33.440 --> 0:09:35.520 lot of it was put on me because I didn't 0:09:35.600 --> 0:09:36.160 speak up. 0:09:36.320 --> 0:09:39.360 You found out the other women were talking about the book. 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:44.520 Tell the listeners how once you learn that this book 0:09:44.840 --> 0:09:48.160 was a top your conversation. It was your idea to 0:09:48.280 --> 0:09:51.160 bring the book to the finale, not the producers. 0:09:51.240 --> 0:09:52.679 It was Danielle. 0:09:53.640 --> 0:09:57.520 So I'll never forget you actually trying to talk me 0:09:57.679 --> 0:10:01.240 out of it in a in a way that would 0:10:01.240 --> 0:10:04.720 have benefited protecting me, like do you really want that 0:10:04.840 --> 0:10:09.280 out there kind of way? Because what they're saying ain't nice, 0:10:10.040 --> 0:10:12.440 and I'm just trying to let you know. When you 0:10:12.520 --> 0:10:14.400 asked me, so what are we going to do? I said, 0:10:14.440 --> 0:10:16.080 I think I'm going to bring the book and just 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:19.079 find out if anyone would like to ask me questions, 0:10:19.120 --> 0:10:22.160 being as I'm the only other person besides the author 0:10:22.800 --> 0:10:25.400 that would have had that experience, and you have access 0:10:25.480 --> 0:10:29.280 to me, so why not ask me if it's about me? 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:32.120 I knew it was going to cause what it caused. 0:10:32.840 --> 0:10:34.240 I am smart enough to know that. 0:10:34.880 --> 0:10:37.160 And remember how we were like you were like we Carlos, 0:10:37.280 --> 0:10:38.960 I can't walk in with the book. And then you 0:10:38.960 --> 0:10:40.680 were like, I'm going to have a purse. I said, 0:10:40.720 --> 0:10:42.640 you know what, put the book in your purse. When 0:10:42.679 --> 0:10:46.120 you come to the restaurant, call me. I'll meet you 0:10:46.160 --> 0:10:49.080 outside while they'll mike you up. Hand me your purse 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:51.839 because you can't walk in with this big ass book. 0:10:52.200 --> 0:10:55.880 We were shooting for maybe an hour or two and 0:10:56.160 --> 0:10:58.840 you know, nothing was happening, and then we were like, 0:10:58.880 --> 0:11:01.160 you know, what is time for the book. So then 0:11:01.280 --> 0:11:03.800 I leave video village where all the producers are. 0:11:04.040 --> 0:11:06.120 We went on a little break. We all had to 0:11:06.160 --> 0:11:08.880 tidy up. I knew what was coming and I knew 0:11:08.920 --> 0:11:11.960 you were setting the stage for it, and I also 0:11:12.120 --> 0:11:15.960 knew that there were still people that didn't leave the 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:18.960 dining area and were at the dining table, and it 0:11:19.040 --> 0:11:21.120 was gonna be a little difficult for you to do 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:24.559 it without people still sitting there. So I'm the last 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:27.839 to enter after the break, and when I sit down, 0:11:28.559 --> 0:11:31.439 you see me reach under the table. Just that same 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:36.600 motion and film and the timing was just brilliant. All 0:11:36.640 --> 0:11:39.600 of a sudden, all the cameras start realigning, and that's 0:11:39.600 --> 0:11:42.360 when I'm like, Yeah, it's time, just pick up that book. 0:11:42.400 --> 0:11:44.120 A bam, not. 0:11:44.200 --> 0:11:47.760 A word said, No, not a word, step for like maybe, 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:51.200 well like an a comfortable thirty minutes. And then finally 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:54.560 the ice was broken and you had a table flip 0:11:54.559 --> 0:11:58.800 in your direction. So when Teresa flipped that table, what 0:11:58.880 --> 0:12:01.560 were you thinking? Because Dan Yell, what I tell people is, 0:12:02.280 --> 0:12:07.920 prior to that, Teresa was sort of like be underdog, 0:12:08.200 --> 0:12:11.079 Like no one looked at Teresa as being the fort 0:12:11.320 --> 0:12:14.360 is today. So when she flipped it, what were you 0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:15.920 literally thinking in that moment? 0:12:16.200 --> 0:12:21.240 Oh, flashes of warnings from a few of the ladies. 0:12:21.360 --> 0:12:23.760 You know, you don't want to piss her off. She'll flip. 0:12:24.080 --> 0:12:27.920 Did you think in that moment that this would be 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:32.880 the end of your friendship with Jacqueline? Although she defended 0:12:32.920 --> 0:12:34.960 you and had your back, Did you think in that 0:12:35.040 --> 0:12:37.000 present moment that this would be the end? Because you 0:12:37.040 --> 0:12:39.120 and jackelm were such good friends at that time. 0:12:39.520 --> 0:12:42.199 I knew that we were already moving away from that 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:48.679 friendship because I would never see it in the way 0:12:48.720 --> 0:12:51.720 of family, and I felt her need to be a 0:12:51.720 --> 0:12:55.400 part of that family so desperately, and who wouldn't. I 0:12:55.440 --> 0:12:59.240 thought that she was and still is, you know, a 0:12:59.320 --> 0:13:03.640 quality human. I don't think she knows very well how 0:13:03.679 --> 0:13:06.560 to express yourself sometimes and it's frustrating to her. And 0:13:06.600 --> 0:13:10.480 that's okay, doesn't make her a bad person, just means, 0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:15.400 you know, our journeys and our friendship came to an 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:16.440 impath at the time. 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:19.719 When was the last time you've seen or spoken to Jacqueline? 0:13:20.760 --> 0:13:23.240 At the reunion season two, when I said goodbye and 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:27.480 I hugged her, that was it. That was it. We're 0:13:27.520 --> 0:13:29.560 talking about somebody that I could leave for the diner 0:13:29.600 --> 0:13:31.800 with my kids and leave her on speakerphone in the 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:34.040 house and come home and she's still talking like I'm there. 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:37.679 We talked all day, every day, all day, every day. 0:13:37.760 --> 0:13:39.840 There was sometimes I had to like Jacqueline, I'll leave 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:41.880 you on speaker, but I gotta shoot the scene right now, 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:47.040 you remember, I literally, true, literally couldn't hang up the phone. No, no, no, 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:48.439 stay on with me. I want to hear. I want 0:13:48.480 --> 0:13:50.240 to hear, and you guys would be like, nah, you 0:13:50.280 --> 0:13:53.720 gotta go. And that's when I knew things were really 0:13:53.760 --> 0:13:56.120 going in a different direction, when we started to have 0:13:56.200 --> 0:13:59.079 to be private with each other and I could feel 0:13:59.120 --> 0:14:02.600 she wasn't telling me things that were going on with 0:14:02.880 --> 0:14:07.840 her scenes either anymore. So I just I zipped it. Literally, 0:14:07.880 --> 0:14:11.760 the shift came much with a warning, and so that's 0:14:11.760 --> 0:14:14.040 when I did say goodbye. You know, I meant it. 0:14:14.080 --> 0:14:17.440 I just really wanted her to let me go, you know, 0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:22.160 and not not make this energy continue because I didn't 0:14:22.240 --> 0:14:26.520 want that energy between us. It had gotten, you know, 0:14:28.240 --> 0:14:32.640 it had gotten pretty bad and an off camera as well, 0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:36.600 and I didn't want that. I couldn't have known that, 0:14:36.840 --> 0:14:41.960 I mean, letting go is one thing, but not having 0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:45.760 that be reciprocated. I couldn't have known that that would 0:14:45.760 --> 0:14:49.240 still be I'd still be a problem for them. When 0:14:49.440 --> 0:14:55.320 I literally was just I was happy and appreciative that 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:57.440 we had our time together, and I understood why it 0:14:57.480 --> 0:15:01.000 had to end. I don't understand the you know. 0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:02.360 Do you miss her? 0:15:03.040 --> 0:15:06.440 Do I miss her? Here's the thing, I'm okay with 0:15:06.680 --> 0:15:11.240 people not being in my life that have done certain 0:15:11.280 --> 0:15:13.880 things to make me believe that they prefer not being 0:15:13.920 --> 0:15:17.400 in my life. I will never want to be around 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:20.920 someone that doesn't value me again. I valued myself much 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:24.240 less then than I do now, and I'm also much 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:27.760 older now, and I understand that at this point in 0:15:27.800 --> 0:15:29.560 my life there will be no way I would be 0:15:29.600 --> 0:15:32.240 friends with women like that. I wasn't friends with them 0:15:32.280 --> 0:15:35.200 prior to the show. I think that I was an 0:15:35.240 --> 0:15:39.600 easy pond for them for their story that they wanted 0:15:39.600 --> 0:15:43.560 to drive. If I'm being one hundred percent completely honest, 0:15:44.000 --> 0:15:47.720 I was there, Patsy. I was their person to put 0:15:47.720 --> 0:15:50.520 blame on for all the things that they needed to 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:54.720 hide while I was in sweep under the rug, while 0:15:54.720 --> 0:15:56.640 I was thinking we were creating a friendship. 0:15:56.840 --> 0:15:59.880 So you think the other women at the time use 0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:03.720 your storyline what you had going on this book to 0:16:04.040 --> 0:16:08.120 hide their secrets or things they were going through. 0:16:10.320 --> 0:16:12.760 Otherwise it wouldn't have happened the way it happened when 0:16:12.800 --> 0:16:15.400 I removed myself. It wasn't the next season that they 0:16:15.400 --> 0:16:20.440 all turned on Teresa. And then on my birthday, you know, 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:22.840 the forty two counts of fraud, she was arrested for 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:25.000 my phone. I wouldn't have even known about it, but 0:16:25.040 --> 0:16:27.680 press was blowing up my phone. My daughter's answered the phone, 0:16:27.720 --> 0:16:30.920 like for TMZ or somebody, and they're like, this is TMZ. 0:16:31.040 --> 0:16:33.480 We want to know Danielle's take, and the blah blah blah, 0:16:33.600 --> 0:16:36.480 and my daughter's like, this is her birthday and we 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:38.760 want to wish her a happy birthday. Wouldn't she want 0:16:38.800 --> 0:16:42.400 this news? I said, tell them, no, I'm not that 0:16:42.600 --> 0:16:45.120 Why would that make me happy. I don't take other 0:16:45.120 --> 0:16:48.240 people's problems as a good thing. Yeah. 0:16:48.600 --> 0:16:51.840 No. One of the things that is so funny is 0:16:51.880 --> 0:16:54.560 so you and I this season went together, and I 0:16:54.600 --> 0:16:58.600 was your producer, and then the episode started airing, and 0:16:58.680 --> 0:17:02.800 then you who were so mad at me. I was 0:17:03.040 --> 0:17:09.200 banned from Danielle's house. I was banned from being Danielle's producer. Yep, 0:17:09.359 --> 0:17:12.400 Danielle sit me up text saying you did not protect 0:17:12.400 --> 0:17:16.000 me and me and Danielle did not film with each 0:17:16.040 --> 0:17:18.560 other for the entirety of season two. 0:17:18.840 --> 0:17:19.280 That's right. 0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:21.960 And they asked me to come back and forth with 0:17:22.080 --> 0:17:25.119 you as my producer, and that's why I didn't come back. 0:17:25.920 --> 0:17:28.439 One of the reasons I didn't come back. I was 0:17:28.520 --> 0:17:31.920 still mad. And then all of a sudden, I realized 0:17:32.200 --> 0:17:35.199 it was like an AHA moment after the show started 0:17:35.240 --> 0:17:37.199 filming when I said I wouldn't come back, when they 0:17:37.200 --> 0:17:39.679 asked me back and four season four, and I'm like, 0:17:40.240 --> 0:17:42.480 oh my god, Carlos is the reason they all want 0:17:42.480 --> 0:17:44.560 to apologize to me? What the fuck did I just do? 0:17:45.200 --> 0:17:48.960 Because you were I was told by you know, your 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:55.119 higher up, you're superior herself, the owner of production. Yeah, 0:17:55.160 --> 0:17:59.760 they're all like I think they really are sincerely. They've 0:17:59.760 --> 0:18:03.480 been spoken to, and I couldn't figure out. I still 0:18:03.480 --> 0:18:06.040 didn't trust anybody. I was still like, oh my god, 0:18:06.520 --> 0:18:09.119 you know I can't trust anyone. You know, everyone's against me. 0:18:09.280 --> 0:18:13.400 And I was in that mindset of victim, victim victim, 0:18:13.560 --> 0:18:17.560 and I couldn't see that you were fucking raising me up. 0:18:18.200 --> 0:18:21.240 You were trying to and that was my open door 0:18:21.320 --> 0:18:25.359 and I totally missed it because I know it was 0:18:25.400 --> 0:18:28.200 you that had spoken to them like, don't you feel 0:18:28.280 --> 0:18:31.480 kind of bad? Even Caroline wanted to say something, and 0:18:31.520 --> 0:18:34.040 whether it was because she was afraid that there wasn't 0:18:34.080 --> 0:18:36.359 going to be another season unless I came back or not, 0:18:36.560 --> 0:18:39.959 it didn't matter. Someone had gotten in her ear, and 0:18:40.000 --> 0:18:42.359 I believed that you were one of the people that 0:18:42.560 --> 0:18:44.479 was at least one of the people, if not the 0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:47.200 only person that was saying to them, you guys want 0:18:47.240 --> 0:18:49.600 to take another look at what you might have done 0:18:49.600 --> 0:18:51.720 differently with Danielle. Something to that. 0:18:51.920 --> 0:18:54.840 You and I are friends and listen, that's why on 0:18:54.880 --> 0:18:58.160 the bridge, But at that time you felt isolated. 0:18:58.600 --> 0:19:01.080 I thought you were going behind my back and giving 0:19:01.160 --> 0:19:04.760 information that I had. Meanwhile, it was it was them. 0:19:04.880 --> 0:19:07.480 They were looking into me. You had given any of 0:19:07.520 --> 0:19:10.400 my secrets away or the things that I had filmed. 0:19:10.840 --> 0:19:13.800 I just had lost so much trust and there were 0:19:13.920 --> 0:19:17.600 rumors going around about everyone, and I didn't know who 0:19:17.600 --> 0:19:20.399 to believe. I really felt like there was I was 0:19:20.600 --> 0:19:23.800 alone on the island and I needed to isolate myself 0:19:23.840 --> 0:19:27.920 to protect myself. And yeah, I shut you out big time. 0:19:28.480 --> 0:19:32.520 I never took it personally because I always said to 0:19:32.560 --> 0:19:35.960 the producers, because they said to me, Danielle does not. 0:19:35.920 --> 0:19:39.000 Want you around her. You cannot be her producer. 0:19:38.560 --> 0:19:41.200 Anymore, Oh my gosh, and you can't go through any 0:19:41.200 --> 0:19:45.120 of her scenes. And I remember thinking to myself, I 0:19:45.240 --> 0:19:49.000 just want her to know that I understand. 0:19:49.520 --> 0:19:51.560 I listen. I don't know what it feels like to 0:19:51.560 --> 0:19:51.920 be on. 0:19:51.880 --> 0:19:56.720 A show where everybody doesn't like you like that is tough. 0:19:56.920 --> 0:19:59.800 It was really rough. And it wasn't for an episode 0:19:59.880 --> 0:20:02.680 or too like everybody gets their episode where everyone's hating 0:20:02.720 --> 0:20:06.000 on him. I had every episode everyone hating on me. 0:20:06.320 --> 0:20:09.680 I lost trust for everybody, you know. It was it was. 0:20:10.560 --> 0:20:15.960 It was because of the circumstances and carrying that really 0:20:16.000 --> 0:20:19.080 started to mess with my head. That in the physical 0:20:19.080 --> 0:20:22.720 attacks literally, you know, became a little much. 0:20:22.960 --> 0:20:24.800 So let's talk about the physical attacks. So you talk 0:20:24.800 --> 0:20:27.440 about Ashley pulling your hair. A lot of people when 0:20:27.440 --> 0:20:30.200 they watched that episode and you're in your interview chair 0:20:30.280 --> 0:20:32.520 and you have this chunk of hair, a lot of 0:20:32.520 --> 0:20:36.120 people believe, Danielle that you went to party City, bought 0:20:36.119 --> 0:20:39.600 a wig, cut off some hair and have a chuck 0:20:39.760 --> 0:20:40.520 in your interview. 0:20:40.840 --> 0:20:44.720 Yeah, now asked the truth was that your hair. 0:20:44.600 --> 0:20:47.639 That Ashley pulled, that you were holding in your head 0:20:48.040 --> 0:20:48.840 during the interview. 0:20:49.200 --> 0:20:51.640 It was my hair, and it had Leonard, my other 0:20:51.720 --> 0:20:54.480 favorite person in the world, who was the showrunner. Had 0:20:54.480 --> 0:20:58.320 he had admitted that he was at the hospital with me, 0:20:59.560 --> 0:21:02.960 perhaps it would have gone a little differently. So, yes, 0:21:03.440 --> 0:21:07.840 and I did get a concussion, and I was hurt 0:21:08.119 --> 0:21:10.880 being treated like that, first of all by somebody that 0:21:11.080 --> 0:21:14.479 I really cared for and loved and looked at like 0:21:15.080 --> 0:21:18.840 you know, I wanted to mother her at times because 0:21:18.880 --> 0:21:21.760 I knew that's what she needed from me. And then 0:21:23.480 --> 0:21:29.680 to be I don't know she knew. The reasons they 0:21:29.720 --> 0:21:33.480 gave for doing what they did to me wouldn't make 0:21:33.520 --> 0:21:36.879 sense to anybody because the cameras would have let you 0:21:37.000 --> 0:21:40.560 hear me attacking jagulines. So that was just an excuse 0:21:41.240 --> 0:21:43.960 and enough for nothing. When was I ever in the 0:21:44.040 --> 0:21:46.960 lead at any of these fights, I was the one 0:21:47.000 --> 0:21:49.840 trying to walk away. Always, if I had to run 0:21:49.920 --> 0:21:52.959 to get away, I would run. It wasn't because I 0:21:53.080 --> 0:21:55.520 was scared, is because I didn't want to be treated 0:21:55.600 --> 0:21:58.720 like that and have it trigger my PTSD. Didn't want 0:21:58.760 --> 0:22:00.879 to feel like I felt like when I was a child, 0:22:01.480 --> 0:22:05.720 and knowing that they knew all of that made it 0:22:05.920 --> 0:22:09.960 enhance one hundred times more because there was a friendship 0:22:10.080 --> 0:22:12.760 level there where we had trust, where we shared certain 0:22:12.800 --> 0:22:15.760 things that I would have never used against them in 0:22:15.840 --> 0:22:19.400