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Speaker 1: Welcome back, everybody. We're moving along on our true crime

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Speaker 1: playlist with an episode we recorded live in Seattle in

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Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, on the unsolved mystery of dB Cooper. Someone

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Speaker 1: using that alias hijacked a plane flying from Portland to

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Speaker 1: Seattle in nineteen seventy one and jumped out mid air,

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Speaker 1: making off with two hundred thousand dollars. People still float

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Speaker 1: suspects today, and they usually say the case is solved,

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Speaker 1: but the FBI stopped investigating back in twenty sixteen and

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Speaker 1: they consider it unsolved. This one is pretty fun, so

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Speaker 1: I hope you enjoy it, and if you like this

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Speaker 1: live show, come see us when we hit the road

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Speaker 1: again in twenty twenty six Welcome to Stuff you should

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Speaker 1: know from HowStuffWorks dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Josh Clark, There's Charles W. Chuck Bryant, and we

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Speaker 1: are here live at the beautiful Neptune Thiet and beautiful

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Speaker 1: Seattle and beautiful Washington. Thank you, guys, phenomenal.

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Speaker 2: I'm already a sweaty mess, so that must mean we're

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Speaker 2: on stage.

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Speaker 3: We are off to a great start.

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Speaker 4: That must mean I'm awake.

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Speaker 3: Or sleeping.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I sweat my sleep too big time. It's gross.

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Speaker 3: I'm always wiping his brow.

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Speaker 2: What movie we're going to watch tonight in the hotel?

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Speaker 3: Is a spy out yet on?

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Speaker 4: And we can leave the seat up on the toilet?

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Speaker 4: I don't.

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Speaker 3: I don't do that.

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Speaker 2: I don't either because I pee sitting down because I'm

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Speaker 2: forty five years old. Do you really well, yeah, I

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Speaker 2: might as well get into it.

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Speaker 4: What you do too?

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Speaker 2: Why we never talked about this. I started being sitting

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Speaker 2: down during the middle of the night, Get up because

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Speaker 2: if it just makes sense, because you don't want to

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Speaker 2: wake up too much and you don't want to like

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Speaker 2: make a mess. And then I think I just hit

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Speaker 2: a certain age where I was like, it's just nicer

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Speaker 2: to sit down. I don't need to prove anything to anyone.

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Speaker 3: Huh, you landed your lady, You're all set.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I stand when I pee off my deck at night,

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Speaker 2: I don't do that.

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Speaker 3: I live in a condo complex.

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Speaker 4: They would if I would be it's not good, man.

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Speaker 1: I feel like an enormous weight's just been lifted off of.

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Speaker 2: I can't believe that you're not even forty years old

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Speaker 2: yet and you pee sitting down.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's start the podcast.

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Speaker 2: Are there other guys out there that pee sitting down?

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Speaker 1: All right?

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Speaker 3: We're starting a movement, baby, that's right.

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Speaker 2: Your ladies will appreciate it. Oddly, I pooped standing up.

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Speaker 2: This is so off the rails already.

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Speaker 1: Like in conversation. Let's be sitting there talking to me.

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Speaker 1: You're like you're pooping right now, aren't you. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: like it's more efficient this way, I get more done.

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Speaker 4: We should probably start over.

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Speaker 3: We should.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna get off stage and come back out. I

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Speaker 1: can't believe what we've been talking about here this evening already. Okay,

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Speaker 1: let's all just take it down a notch. All right,

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Speaker 1: So we're poking casting. We're about to start podcasting. I

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Speaker 1: think I already started the podcast, oh god, which means

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Speaker 1: that's gonna be on like the thing.

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Speaker 4: We That's why I said we should start over.

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Speaker 3: Okay, it stays here everybody.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all our secret. I think five hundred people.

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Speaker 1: Okay, hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark,

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Speaker 1: There's Charles W. Chuck Bryant. We are live here at

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Speaker 1: the Beautiful Neptune Theater in Seattle, Washington.

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Speaker 4: Man Times two that's an in joke. People will be

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Speaker 4: like even better than what.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of there's more crossover between our fans

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Speaker 2: I think, boy, there's a Venn diagram out there that's

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Speaker 2: confusing me already.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so Chuck, yes, this is a little bit of history. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so we're going to go back in the way back machine.

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Speaker 1: That's right, Dud's If you listen to the PR Live podcast,

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Speaker 4: They heard that live.

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Speaker 1: Yeah that was a good one too.

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Speaker 2: There are PR professionals here because they emailed me today.

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Speaker 1: Oh really, yeah, I can tell that's the call of

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Speaker 1: the PR professional call. So we're going back to a cold, stormy, rainy,

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Speaker 1: pretty nasty Thanksgiving in nineteen seventy one, and the story

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Speaker 1: begins at PDX Portland Airport and a man walked into PDX,

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Speaker 1: oh five, the flight to Seattle. Would that happen to

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Speaker 1: And the ticket agentment yes, as a matter of fact,

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Speaker 1: it is, and the man said that it's fantastic.

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Speaker 3: Here's my twenty dollars.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, one ticket please, for a one way ticket between

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Speaker 1: Portland and Seattle, a board flight three oh five. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And she was like, that's a weird question, but I

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Speaker 1: Plus, it's nineteen seventy and I'm in no position to

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Speaker 4: It's very true.

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Speaker 2: And it was twenty dollars for that flight. This is

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Speaker 2: big block letters in a red ink pin, Dan Cooper.

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Speaker 3: You know where we're going with this, son.

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Speaker 1: So the Boeing seven twenty seven Dash one hundred is

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Speaker 1: every single person in this room knows is a smallish plane.

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Speaker 3: That would have made zero sense.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Hetty had a former life in the seventies as

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Speaker 1: an airline pilot co pilot Robert Radazak. There's a ce

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Speaker 2: I think they called him stewardess's back then to be fair, right,

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Speaker 2: But we're forward thinking guys, so we're we're gonna go

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Speaker 3: We don't use the S word.

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Speaker 4: You just make well, never mind.

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Speaker 1: Never mind, We've done quite enough extraneous stuff for her,

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Speaker 2: So Dan Cooper gets on the plane. There's thirty seven

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Speaker 2: other passengers because again it was a seventies they didn't

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Speaker 2: Thirty seven passengers, pretty empty, and Dan Cooper seat sits

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Speaker 3: A Raley brand cigarette.

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Speaker 2: Because it's nineteen seventy one, you got smoke on planes. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And he looked to be about in his mid forties.

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Speaker 2: He was, you know, kind of looked like the men

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Speaker 1: And we should talk a little bit about the suit.

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Speaker 1: The suit was a russet colored suit, which was like

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Speaker 1: he was okay. And then his skinny tie was a

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Speaker 1: clip on from J. C. Penny. That's right.

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Speaker 2: He had a imitation Mother of Pearl type in. He

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Speaker 1: They call him swarthy, which I think is like stewardess

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Speaker 2: I thought swarthy. I thought that was like a sea captain.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure there were swarthy sea captains.

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Speaker 2: Because, yeah, because they're out in the sun, so they

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Speaker 1: That's rugged. Okay, you're thinking of the Gordon's fishermen.

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Speaker 4: Oh right, Oh he was swarthy.

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Speaker 2: Sure, he's swarthy as h So he had he had

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Speaker 4: He wanted to blend in right.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, okay, so this guy's sitting in eighteen c

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Speaker 1: unremarkable aside from wearing the sunglasses, he's smoking with his

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Speaker 1: and this happened to her all the time, like businessmen

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Speaker 1: drinking sevens and sevens like past her notes and hit

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Speaker 1: all the other notes right over right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, from all the men who wanted to rescue her

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Speaker 1: Come away with me, it sworethy. And so Dan Cooper

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Speaker 1: sees this and he goes, miss, you may want to

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Speaker 1: have a look at that note.

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Speaker 3: I have a bomb.

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Speaker 4: I think you know where we're going with this, dB Cooper.

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Speaker 1: You know, when we were coming here today, we were like, oh,

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Speaker 1: we're really rolling the dice. It's entirely possible that everyone

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Speaker 1: here had the dB Cooper case drilled into them from

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Speaker 1: like third grade on.

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Speaker 4: That's not the case, is no, you didn't study it

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Speaker 3: It's just a high relief.

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Speaker 1: I told that to you, MEI, and Yumy was like,

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Speaker 1: that's so dumb. She's like, do you know everything about

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Speaker 1: the burning of Atlanta? And I said no, and she's like, no, no,

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Speaker 1: you don't, And they don't know everything about dB Cooper

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Speaker 1: and I went back to sleep.

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Speaker 2: So this was not the first commercial airplane hijacking. It

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Speaker 2: actually the first one was in nineteen forty eight, and

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Speaker 2: remarkably between nineteen sixty eight, just three years earlier, in

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Speaker 2: the time dB Cooper hijacked this plane, there were one

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Speaker 4: They tried a good idea.

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Speaker 1: It was a fine idea if everyone, if like a

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Speaker 1: Right, and the other two hundred ninety nine open for hijacking. Right.

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Speaker 1: So this was they figured out after a few years,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so he'd been there for about fifty years, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So his idea was air marshalls didn't work, but they

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're like Portland to Seattle. Maybe we should put

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Speaker 1: They just didn't expect TB. Cooper because he was a

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Speaker 2: This is actually I did a little more research between

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Speaker 2: Josh's like I didn't know that you could have. I

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Speaker 1: It was good for the hijackers because they could get

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Speaker 2: Maybe that's who wrote that, the Golden age of skyjacking man.

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Speaker 2: All right, So Floren Schaeffner, I'm sorry. Shaffer reads the

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Speaker 2: which is a very key thing because that means they

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Speaker 4: Like everything else.

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Speaker 2: He had them right down to take to the captain

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Speaker 2: so they would have no more like physical evidence of

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Speaker 1: Yeah. The only handwriting sample he had was that ticket

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Speaker 2: So she sits down and she says, uh, you know,

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Speaker 4: That this is legit, this is for real?

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Speaker 2: Can I can I like get a look at that

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Speaker 4: Makes sense? And he shows her right, Yeah, he gives

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Speaker 1: He opened her his bag just enough and she went

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Speaker 2: Just like pretty woman. Yeah, yeah, and uh, but she

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Speaker 2: sees what you know. She sees red sticks of dynamite

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Speaker 1: Right, it's got like a skull and crossbones. It's like

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Speaker 1: he says, you die or something.

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Speaker 2: Electrical tape is all around it because he watched a

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Speaker 1: Well she I mean she bought it. Clearly, she saw

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Speaker 1: take this down. I have a ransom demand. He said,

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Speaker 1: I want two hundred thousand dollars by five pm in cash.

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Speaker 1: Put it in a knapsack. I want two back parachutes

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Speaker 1: do the job, which is h That was tough talking

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Speaker 2: Again, he wants a lot of cartoons. And that's what

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's a little low.

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Speaker 2: If you're gonna go through a skyjacking.

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Speaker 1: It's a lot of work for a million dollars.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would have said, like, if you're gonna ask

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Speaker 2: that's just me sure, I'm no skyjacker. So this is

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Speaker 4: He he is this very first note that he gave up.

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Speaker 2: So from that point, like I said, he dictated everything else,

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Speaker 1: Right, So they were like almost no help whatsoever during

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Speaker 1: But it also said FBI, I'm probably going to make

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Speaker 1: they may have tried just that. So it's pretty smart

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Speaker 4: That's right.

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Speaker 2: So Schaffner takes that ransom note, gives it to Alice Cancock.

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Speaker 2: She takes it over to the pilot and the co pilot,

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Speaker 2: and well what did they do? Josh, you do a

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Speaker 1: Uh, seatach We just want to advise you on a

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Speaker 2: Negotiable American currency. Yeah, it's a very weird thing to

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Speaker 1: It was, And so sea Tech was like, we should

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, this was the Seattle Police Department in nineteen

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Speaker 1: They're like, wait, wait, this guy doesn't want to go

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Speaker 2: Like we're literally waiting for John Rambo to wander through town,

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Speaker 1: Him just ten more years.

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Speaker 4: Wait, that was Oregon, though, wasn't it?

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Speaker 1: Okay? Pretty close? That joke will kill night tomorrow night?

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Speaker 1: Remember it. So all of a sudden, like there's all

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Speaker 1: So the FBI comes in and they're they're trying to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's experiencing mechanical problems. So we're just gonna keep flying.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna stay aloft, see what happens. Captain Scott is

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Speaker 2: So everyone was drinking and smoking cigarettes, so they didn't care.

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Speaker 4: This is ninety seventy one.

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Speaker 3: It could have been Chuck.

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Speaker 1: You would have been like I told you, we should

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Speaker 3: It's nothing.

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Speaker 4: Could have been to Portland.

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Speaker 1: So they had to circle for an hour, and they

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Speaker 1: And the passengers apparently were totally unaware that they've been hijacked.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so I was at that game. Yeah, I was

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Speaker 4: at that game seven. It was all right, he's that dude,

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Speaker 1: It was it was I knew it was a hijacking.

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Speaker 1: You really had me stumped there for a second. I'm

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Speaker 1: And she sat down and she got She spent a

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Speaker 3: I think they're saying corn.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the smell.

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Speaker 2: Oh boy, I knew that.

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Speaker 4: I knew this would go over well here.

441
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,679
Speaker 2: By the way, we didn't mention they diverted all the

442
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:59,639
Speaker 2: other flights away from from SeaTac at the time because

443
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 2: they wanted that to be the only plane in the area.

444
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,119
Speaker 2: And to me, the most remarkable part of this whole

445
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 2: story is one of the other planes in the air,

446
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 2: the dude, the pilot gets on and tells everyone else

447
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:13,679
Speaker 2: on that plane what's going on.

448
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,200
Speaker 1: Well, he like he patched into the calm link between

449
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 1: flight three zero five and SeaTac for the listening enjoyment

450
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:26,679
Speaker 1: of the passengers on his flight. It's insane.

451
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 2: It's like, I'm sorry, we're delayed, but here's what's going

452
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:31,880
Speaker 2: on on another flight nearby.

453
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 1: A right to sit back and listen to the dulcet

454
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 1: tones of a skyjacking.

455
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,200
Speaker 4: Again. It was the seventies. Everyone was drinking. They're like,

456
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 4: this is remarkable. Thank god, it's not us.

457
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 3: Everything's better when you're drinking.

458
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 4: All right.

459
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 2: So he recognizes Tacoma, which apparently everyone in this room

460
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:54,159
Speaker 2: could do.

461
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, we were impressed by that. But it's nothing.

462
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:08,159
Speaker 4: Occasionally went spells like coma. So all of these are

463
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 4: sort of clues.

464
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:10,640
Speaker 2: Though, if he recognized Tacoma a new by the air

465
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 2: Force base, that clearly maybe the guy's kind of from

466
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 2: the area might be a clue. Later on, So Mucklaw

467
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 2: at this point asked Dan Cooper. She said, do you

468
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,160
Speaker 2: have a grudge against our airlines, sir? And he said, no, ma'am,

469
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 2: I don't have a grudge against your airline. I just

470
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:30,119
Speaker 2: have a grudge critic right. She was like yeah, like

471
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 2: they did.

472
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,919
Speaker 1: So back on the ground, the FBI is like going crazy,

473
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,640
Speaker 1: The local cops are going crazy. Everybody's going crazy trying

474
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 1: to get two hundred grand in cash together. Turns out

475
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 1: that was the easiest part of this whole thing. So

476
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:48,680
Speaker 1: Northwest Orients president at the time, Donald nyrop.

477
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:50,959
Speaker 4: Any Nyrops in the house.

478
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 3: No, he would have been in Minnesota.

479
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:55,360
Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah.

480
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 2: But I'm convinced that someone in here is going to

481
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 2: be related to someone in this story.

482
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 4: Oh I am too, Yeah, I'm just.

483
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 1: I'm waiting for somebody stay would be like that's a.

484
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,879
Speaker 2: Lie, or for someone to stand up and say I

485
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 2: am dB Cooper. Oh yeah, that would be amazing. We'd

486
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 2: have to come up with a different show tomorrow, oh yeah,

487
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 2: or just bring him along.

488
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,879
Speaker 3: Sure, and here he is everybody.

489
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:18,360
Speaker 4: Yeah.

490
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 1: So Donald Nyrop, the president of Northwest Orient, He's like, yeah, sure,

491
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 1: we'll totally pay that. We have a huge insurance policy

492
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 1: on this kind of thing. Apparently Northwest had to pay

493
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,679
Speaker 1: like twenty grand and their insurance company paid out one

494
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty gram. And they tapped c First Bank,

495
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 1: which had a downtown branch. And in this downtown branch

496
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 1: they had a really great idea. They had stacks of

497
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:47,159
Speaker 1: twenty dollars bills in varying amounts so that it looked

498
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,919
Speaker 1: like a nervous teller ran into the back and like

499
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,440
Speaker 1: put some twenties together in the event of a bank robbery, right,

500
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:55,439
Speaker 1: and then would come out and be like, here you go,

501
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 1: a bank robbery. You're getting off scott free. But it

502
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 1: turns out that every serial number on every one of

503
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 1: those twenties had been recorded. So it worked for bank robberies,

504
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,959
Speaker 1: worked just as well for sky jackings as well, so

505
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:11,439
Speaker 1: they had the money, no problems. The parachutes were just

506
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 1: very difficult.

507
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was actually the harder part. Yeah.

508
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 2: Back in nineteen seventy one, the big recreational skydiving craze

509
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 2: had not yet taken hold. It happened here and there. Yeah,

510
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 2: but uh, the manager at Sea Tax said, I got

511
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 2: a guy. Don't you worry. He's got an operation called

512
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 2: Seattle sky Sports in itsaquah.

513
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 1: Anybody from Mesqua shout out to Ishaquah.

514
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,880
Speaker 2: Why do you call it Seattle sky Sports? Did they

515
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:40,880
Speaker 2: mooch off of Seattle?

516
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, off of the teat of Seattle.

517
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,439
Speaker 2: He's like, I gotta guy. His name is Earl Kasi,

518
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:52,439
Speaker 2: and he agreed to help. Little side note Earl Kassi

519
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:55,880
Speaker 2: was actually murdered three years ago.

520
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:57,640
Speaker 4: Yeah.

521
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, apparently has to bring them down.

522
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 4: We're all having too much fun. Uh. He got killed

523
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 4: by a blow to the head in his garage.

524
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 2: But apparently you know some cooperists that are still active

525
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:14,120
Speaker 2: today on the internet, You know these conspiracy dudes that.

526
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 4: His everyone did it. I love that.

527
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 2: Everybody see, you can all be conspiracy theorist hat, although

528
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 2: women can't be because they're too smart. It's always guys,

529
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 2: did you know so Earl Cossi was killed? But they

530
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:34,640
Speaker 2: think it has nothing to do with it, even though

531
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 2: cooperists are like, are you sure they're trying to silence

532
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:37,640
Speaker 2: some man?

533
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 4: Exactly? So very well timed.

534
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 2: So Cassi called his his operation and to the to

535
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 2: the dude working there and said, hey, can you get

536
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 2: together these parachutes and need two fronts and two backs?

537
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 2: The guy said sure, ruh, And in his haste he

538
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 2: packs three regular shoots, well, not three regular, he packs

539
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 2: one military shoot, two regular shoots and one thing that

540
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 2: I still don't understand, called a dummy shoot right that

541
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 2: doesn't open.

542
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: No. So, like if you were working at Seattle Sky

543
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 1: Sports in Issaqua, you get really, really sick of having

544
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: to fold up the whole parachute every time somebody was training,

545
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 1: throwing out the pilot shoot, which is just the little

546
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 1: shoot that comes out first and pulls the bigger shoot out. Right,

547
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 1: if all you're trying to do is throw that part out,

548
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 1: you don't need the bigger shoot. So if you are

549
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 1: an employee, at Seattle Sky Sports in Issaqua. You may

550
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: have the idea that you should just sew the bigger

551
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: part shut. There should be no parachute that has like

552
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 1: the most important part sewn shut right.

553
00:29:58,080 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 4: Every parachute should open right.

554
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 1: But this is the thing, and they're called dummy shoots.

555
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 1: The thing is everybody's like, oh, we got it covered,

556
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 1: we'llt's put a big X on it, and everybody will

557
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: know it's a dummy shoot. So one of these dummy

558
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: shoots made it into the four shoots that were delivered

559
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: to D. B. Cooper. So the money and the shoots

560
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 1: go in the cop car and he does a donuts

561
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 1: gidding out like in front of the plane and gets

562
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 1: out and stands outside and waits for the plane to land.

563
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: I should say, So when they get everything together, they

564
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 1: let flight three oh five know that they come and

565
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: get it basically, and they prepare to land, and dB

566
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 1: Cooper does something very smart.

567
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:40,959
Speaker 2: Yeah he uh he said, you know what, I bet

568
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 2: you there's gonna be snipers on the ground, because I've

569
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 2: seen a movie or two. I've seen Black Sunday. Anyone.

570
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: No, didn't they come out like five or six years

571
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: later maybe uh huh.

572
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 4: Actually, I have to look that up.

573
00:30:58,400 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 3: I think that was seventy six.

574
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 4: You know this, sure?

575
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: All right?

576
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:06,719
Speaker 2: He said, I have a dream about a movie one

577
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 2: day that would be called Black Sunday. And there's gonna

578
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 2: be snipers at that airport, So have everybody put the

579
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 2: shades down on the windows. They're all drunk, they don't care,

580
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 2: they won't ask any questions. And so they did so,

581
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 2: which turned out to be a pretty good move because

582
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 2: they were in fact snipers right exactly.

583
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 1: So the plane lands and no one's allowed to get

584
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: off yet, Cooper says, hey, Tina, do me a solid

585
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: go out and get the money in the shoots and

586
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 1: come back with them. Okay, then we can let the

587
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 1: passengers off, and Mucklowell leaves the plane. And at this point,

588
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 1: and this is one of the first reasons why Tina

589
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 1: Mucklough is one of our heroes. Once she's off the plane,

590
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: she could have been like, so long jumps see in hell,

591
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 1: which may have been a little harsh. Has she said

592
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: that with an earshot of somebody in this sausage situation?

593
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 1: She could have thought it. Her actions could have said

594
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: as much. She did. She got the shoots, she got

595
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: the money, and she essentially traded herself for the hostages.

596
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 3: And went back on the plane. And I mean like

597
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 3: that's metal.

598
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: Chuck would have said out loud, see you would hell yeah,

599
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 1: flight three oh five.

600
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 2: I would have walked straight to the baggage claim or

601
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 2: the ground transportation and said take me to cousin Ikes

602
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 2: and need some loose leaf tea. Good luck with the

603
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 2: skuy jacking, right, yeah, But she came back, which is amazing.

604
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 1: To come back. So she traded herself for these hostages.

605
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 1: And the hostages were allowed to leave, and so too

606
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: were Alice Hancock and Florence Schaffner. The rest of the

607
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 1: crew is basically like, there's no reason for you to

608
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: stay here, so go. So it was down to Schaffner

609
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 1: and Cooper and then in the cockpit Radazac and Scott

610
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: right and Scott and Radazac repaid Tina muckloud by staying themselves.

611
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: There was a rope ladder actually that they could have

612
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: climbed out of. They had almost no interaction whatsoever with

613
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: dB Cooper. They could have at their leisure, they could

614
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: have put on bathing suits and climbed out this rope

615
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: ladder and laid on the tarmac for a while and

616
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 1: then gone to the safety of like the FBI barricade,

617
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: and they didn't. They stuck around and they like were like,

618
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: we're gonna see this hijacking through.

619
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 4: Yeah.

620
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 2: In my like in my comedic mind's eye, I see

621
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,719
Speaker 2: them getting out on the rope swing or a rope ladder.

622
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 3: That's different.

623
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 4: Rope swing, that would be amazing.

624
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 3: They may have like it's like a tire swing, and

625
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 3: the run the plane.

626
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 4: They get off on the rope ladder.

627
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 2: Tina mucklaugh never comes back and dB Cooper's just sitting

628
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 2: on the plane by himself.

629
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 3: He's like, Oh, it happened again.

630
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, is he typing? No, that's sorry. I didn't know

631
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 4: they had a rope ladder. It's crazy.

632
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: Sure every airplane has a rope ladder in the cup

633
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: wake up, fashioned out of like old cheets.

634
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 2: So the FAA actually had a their chief psychiatrist on

635
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 2: the ground and this dude does a quick analysis, you know,

636
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 2: like let me do one of those movie readings of

637
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 2: who this guy is and what's gonna happen. And he says,

638
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 2: you know what's gonna happen is you're gonna give this

639
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 2: guy the money and the parachutes. You're gonna go up

640
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 2: there in the plane. He's gonna jump out and blow

641
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:32,399
Speaker 2: up the plane and just let everyone know that. Right,

642
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 2: He's gonna tell the pilot and co pilot that this

643
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 2: is what's coming.

644
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 1: Right, He's gonna force Muckloud to jump with them and

645
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: then blow up the plane afterward. Right, but yeah, make

646
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 1: sure the make sure the cockpit knows. And then he

647
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 1: added and he probably has some sort of fixation on

648
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 1: longer than usual nipples, So make sure he's not exposed

649
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: to those, because he has some sort of fetish based

650
00:34:52,000 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 1: on his experience with his mother. Because it's in nineteen

651
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: seventy one psychoanalysts for the FAA, Hey, if I had

652
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,800
Speaker 1: done that in a German accident, it would have sunk

653
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:12,720
Speaker 1: in even faster.

654
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 3: Did you tell them that? Make sure you tell them that, guys?

655
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 3: Is that all right?

656
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go ahead and say now what I'm gonna

657
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 2: say in like an hour backstage?

658
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,879
Speaker 4: All right, that was amazing what it?

659
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 3: Thank you?

660
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:32,879
Speaker 1: I thought that's not what you're gonna say.

661
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 4: Actually, I didn't see that one coming. You got me

662
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 4: when you Yeah, I had no idea where you were going.

663
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 2: Literally, you said longer than usual nipples, and I went

664
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 2: in my head, I went, am, I is this.

665
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 3: Happening like Josh Josh.

666
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 4: Am I stole in Atlanta? Is the trip? Am? I sleep? Pure? Goal? Buddy?

667
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 1: Thank you?

668
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,280
Speaker 4: Where are we? I am so thrown?

669
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 1: So we said Cooper was cool, right, Yeah, the cool

670
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:42,320
Speaker 1: head he was. He was so cool he ordered food

671
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 1: for the crew during the refueling process.

672
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a nice guy. You want to know who

673
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 4: else is cool? It's Tina Mucklaw.

674
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 2: Because once they released the passengers and they got the

675
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 2: money on board, she sat back down and he offered

676
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 2: her a couple of the stacks of money, and she said, well,

677
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 2: you go ahead and say it, no tipping aloud.

678
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 4: Smooth again.

679
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 2: Had it been me, well, first of all, I would

680
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 2: have been uncle likes by then. But if I was

681
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 2: dumb enough to get back on, I would be like, yeah,

682
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 2: get pay it for.

683
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, just two stacks of bills?

684
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, what gives jerk? I want half?

685
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 2: She's amazing. So the plane's being refueled. He passed along

686
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 2: a request, very specific request for what's to happen when

687
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 2: they go to take off. He said, I want to

688
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 2: take off with that aft staircase that I know is

689
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 2: back there down in the jump off the plane position.

690
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 2: And they said, you can't take off with the plane.

691
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,399
Speaker 2: You can't take off with the door down. And he said, well,

692
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 2: can you check on that?

693
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 4: Are you sure?

694
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 2: And they said no, you can't do that. And he said,

695
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 2: are you super sure? And they said no, you can't

696
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,919
Speaker 2: do that. He said all right, and they said, oh,

697
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 2: but once you're up there, you can totally lower it

698
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 2: and jump out.

699
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 4: And he said, well, why didn't we just start there,

700
00:37:58,080 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 4: because that's really the only thing that matters.

701
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 1: Fine. Fine, And then the pilot's like, well, where do

702
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: you want to go? And Dan Cooper says, Mexico City,

703
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: let's say. And the pilot goes, well, that's that's kind

704
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: of far. We're gonna have to refuel is Reno, okay,

705
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 1: And Dan Cooper goes, I don't know how I can

706
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: get this across anymore. Clearly, I'm jumping out of the

707
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,240
Speaker 1: plane the next time we go up fy wherever you want?

708
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 1: Just fine, south southward.

709
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:30,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, So they refuel the plane and the only time

710
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:34,359
Speaker 2: Dan Cooper gets a little a little ruffled is when

711
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 2: it takes a little long for his liking, and he

712
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 2: says it.

713
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 4: It shouldn't take this long. Let's get the show on

714
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 4: the road, right.

715
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 1: He picked up for one of the few times he

716
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: picked up the cockpit or the cabin and cockpit phone

717
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 1: and said, let's get the show on the road. I

718
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 1: would have screamed it and like hit the phone and

719
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 1: then hit myself in the head with it and then

720
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: just started crying and been like, it's never gonna work.

721
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 3: This is never gonna work.

722
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:00,320
Speaker 2: I think as well established we'd be the worst guy

723
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 2: and hostages.

724
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, just getting no. I don't want any part of it.

725
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 2: He also gives them instructions on how to fly the plane,

726
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 2: which is getting really specific. He said, don't go any

727
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 2: higher than ten thousand feet, set your wing flaps at

728
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 2: fifteen degrees, which apparently we learned is an angle that

729
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 2: only the seven to seven to one hundred could position

730
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 2: those wing flaps.

731
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: Which everyone in this room knows because it's a Boeing.

732
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 2: Sure, And he said, don't go any faster than one

733
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 2: hundred and ninety miles per hour two hundred knots, So

734
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,919
Speaker 2: that means they're going to be flying slow and low,

735
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 2: like you're cooking ribs or jumping off a plane. Because

736
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 2: that means the cabin isn't pressurized, and that means when

737
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,399
Speaker 2: you open that door, you're not just gonna suck everything out.

738
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 2: It's still skydiveable.

739
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

740
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 4: Yeah.

741
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 3: Oh it's the terminology.

742
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:52,720
Speaker 4: Okay.

743
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,720
Speaker 1: So Cooper had some problems, right, He had specifically asked

744
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: for a knapsack, and the FEDS had given him the

745
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: two hundred in a bank bag, which, as we all know,

746
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 1: is a very unwieldy, clumsy bag. Right, it's like a

747
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 1: canvas bag. There's nothing to it. What do you like

748
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 1: tuck it under your arm? What are you supposed to

749
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,879
Speaker 1: do with that? Right? So he's like, well, you need

750
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: to make a handle for this thing. I'll harvest one

751
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 1: of these parachutes for it's rigging, And he chose the

752
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: pink one, which the pink one was actually the best

753
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:24,240
Speaker 1: one of all.

754
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 2: Of them, yeah, because it was the dummy shoot, the

755
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 2: military shoot, and then shoot is that what.

756
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 4: We're gonna call it?

757
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, the medium shoot, and then the pink one, which was,

758
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 2: like Josh said, is the best one. So he cuts

759
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,359
Speaker 2: the stuff loose, he makes a handle for it.

760
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 4: Things are happening at this point. They moved to the

761
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:41,800
Speaker 4: rear of the plane.

762
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 2: He and Tina mucklaw, and he says, you know, I

763
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:46,879
Speaker 2: think I need help lowering the staircase. So she goes

764
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 2: back there with him. She's a little freaked out at

765
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 2: this point. She was calm and cool, but like it's

766
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 2: go time, and she thinks she's gonna get sucked out, rightfully, so,

767
00:40:56,680 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 2: because she didn't understand the physics of you know, the

768
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 2: plane being that low and that slow, or she did

769
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:04,760
Speaker 2: another road.

770
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 3: The hell with physics. I am still freaked out.

771
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,959
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we're about to lower a staircase of ten

772
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 1: thousand feet.

773
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 4: Why did I mention physics exactly?

774
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 2: So she gets back there and he said, she said,

775
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 2: can I at least have some of that rope so

776
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 2: I can tie myself to the interior of this plane?

777
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 1: Like that's how helpful she was. She's like, just let

778
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:26,280
Speaker 1: me lash myself to the plane.

779
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 4: Let me all help meself. Right, Yeah, I just spit

780
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 4: like all the way across it.

781
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:30,800
Speaker 3: I spit earlier.

782
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: It's fine, Okay, good.

783
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 4: We should learn to synk those up, right, like in Vegas.

784
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 4: That's what I was thinking.

785
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, we're in syncs.

786
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, my god.

787
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:49,919
Speaker 2: Except well, never mind, So she asked for some rope

788
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 2: to lash herself in, and he goes, at this point,

789
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 2: you know what, never mind.

790
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 3: He literally like this is the quote.

791
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:56,840
Speaker 1: He goes, never mind, never mind.

792
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 2: He said, you know what, you just go back up

793
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 2: to the cockpit and you see that first class curtain.

794
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 4: Just don't come any further back. I got it from there.

795
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 2: He turns back around and looks and then he turns

796
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:09,760
Speaker 2: back around to where she was and he just sees

797
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 2: like a pile of dust to where she was just standing.

798
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 2: She was like in the cockpit all of a sudden,

799
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 2: and so it's go time in the cockpit at seven

800
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 2: forty two pm, the little light comes on that says

801
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 2: a door ajar, I guess. And they said that the

802
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 2: pilots were like Tina like wants to call back one

803
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 2: more time.

804
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 1: He's like, no, you can't call him, and they're like, no, really,

805
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 1: we should call We can totally call him. Like the

806
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 1: FAA shrink said like he might blow us up. He

807
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: said some other weird stuff too, but he said, well,

808
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 1: like he's gonna blow us up, we should really butter

809
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 1: this guy out.

810
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 2: And we could have left on that rope swing and

811
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 2: we stayed because of you.

812
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 4: Rope ladder.

813
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 3: So they call, They do call the pilot.

814
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: It's like ring ring ring, Oh, yes, ring ring, and

815
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 1: you let it ring a couple of times, ring ring. Uh.

816
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 4: Dan Cooper hijacker.

817
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 1: Uh, mister Cooper, we want to make sure your FLA

818
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 1: is as comfortable as possible. Is there anything we can

819
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 1: do to help you back there to make your hijacking

820
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: more successful?

821
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 2: Sir, no, click, I know, it's kind of rude, he said, no,

822
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,800
Speaker 2: hung up. And then at eight twelve pm, the crew

823
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 2: felt the plane kind of jiggle a little bit, as

824
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 2: if someone had jumped off the rear of it, and

825
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 2: they said.

826
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 1: DNA, go jacking.

827
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 4: We're flying the plane. She's like, wait a minute, only

828
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 4: one of you is flying, you know.

829
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: It takes both of us, you don't know.

830
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 4: And that's it.

831
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 2: So from the moment that Tina Mucklaugh left shut that

832
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 2: first class curtain, nobody to anyone's knowledge, ever saw Dan

833
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:00,399
Speaker 2: Cooper again.

834
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 4: Yep, but that's not the end of the show.

835
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 3: No, it's not. So there was a man hunt, all right.

836
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 1: So Dan Cooper had pretty clearly signaled his intentions that

837
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 1: he was going to jump off the back of the

838
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 1: seven twenty seven, and the FBI was like, we need

839
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 1: to scramble some jets. Let's get some fighter jets that

840
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 1: are in the area. We're gonna scramble them to go

841
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 1: follow this seven to twenty seven.

842
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 2: What is the scrambling? I never get that.

843
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 3: It's like like, go.

844
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:26,959
Speaker 4: I know, but they.

845
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:32,240
Speaker 2: It just sounds it sounds chaotic, like they're scrambling jets.

846
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:33,959
Speaker 1: I think that's I think that's the point, Like people

847
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:35,839
Speaker 1: are supposed to run around and bump into each other

848
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:36,839
Speaker 1: and fall out and then.

849
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 3: Get up and get in their jets and fly off. Oh,

850
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 3: that's scrambling.

851
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: That's classics.

852
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 4: I would have renamed it would be like, activate the jets.

853
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:46,919
Speaker 3: That's not bad, that's not bad at all.

854
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 4: Scramble the jets.

855
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 3: It sounds desperate.

856
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 4: You're right, activate the jets.

857
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:58,320
Speaker 1: So either however, the jets were brought into this picture,

858
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: there was a problem with them and that they were

859
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: way too fast for the seven twenty seven, which is

860
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 1: putting along and one hundred and ninety miles an hour.

861
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,839
Speaker 1: Then all of a sudden there's a jet that goes yeah,

862
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: and then the next one comes and they're like, what

863
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 1: are we gonna do, Well, We'll stick a helicopter on them.

864
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: This is like Goldilocks. The helicopter was too slow. Seven

865
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 1: twenty seven is just putts it along.

866
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:28,879
Speaker 4: Yeah.

867
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, people are going and trying to catch up. Nothing happening.

868
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 2: They should have scrambled a seven twenty seven and just

869
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:37,479
Speaker 2: followed right behind.

870
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:38,840
Speaker 3: It makes sense as matter.

871
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 4: What the headlights on, right, So they're scrambling.

872
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 1: The point is nobody saw Dan Cooper jump when he jumped,

873
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 1: So they used that eight twelve pm oscillation to kind

874
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 1: of figure out where they should start looking, and they

875
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 1: zeroed in on a place called aerial Water, wishing to

876
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: New Lewis River.

877
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 3: Anybody from Ariel, good because we got jokes.

878
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:09,399
Speaker 2: Nobody from Ariel. Anyone ever heard of the Lewis River.

879
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 2: Oh okay, So they get on, they get this man

880
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 2: hunt going. They're combing, they're they're scrambling and combing. Those

881
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 2: are the two things you do.

882
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

883
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 1: In the FBI it was a massive manhunt too. There's

884
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,720
Speaker 1: like a thousand troops and cops combing this area.

885
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 4: Yeah. No one from Seattle PD. Of course, they were

886
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 4: just sitting.

887
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 2: Around stoned, hanging out in Nisqua waiting for Rambo. Here's

888
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 2: another fun fact. There was a millionaire a local millionaire

889
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 2: who we don't know.

890
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 4: Do you know the name?

891
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 3: No, I've looked.

892
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 1: If anybody knows, yells, just stand up and say it

893
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 1: with dignity.

894
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,800
Speaker 4: It was on it was on the news.

895
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 2: So this local millionaire says, you know what, that's near

896
00:46:54,880 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 2: Lake Merwin and I'm going to rent a submarine because

897
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 2: I'm a millionaire, and that's you know, we're what I do.

898
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't work. I'm a millionaire.

899
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 2: He got a submarine and he trolled the depths of

900
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 2: Lake Merwin. He said he rented a small submarine because

901
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 2: he's not an extravagant local MIDI.

902
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 1: Now the twenty five seems ostentatious. The hydraulics on it.

903
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:23,800
Speaker 1: Who needs that in a submarine?

904
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 4: Does it have a metal detector? Which would not have

905
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:29,840
Speaker 4: helped because it was cash bills exactly.

906
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 1: So you'd make a great local millionaire.

907
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 4: I would if only.

908
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 2: The other weird thing that happened was the the CIA

909
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:42,879
Speaker 2: got involved, which is a little bit strange, and they

910
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:47,959
Speaker 2: scrambled the SR seventy one blackbird, right.

911
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 3: They scrambled it several times.

912
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was almost over easy.

913
00:47:58,239 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 4: Terrible.

914
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 1: You should be ashamed.

915
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 2: It doesn't even make sense because once you scramble it. It

916
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:08,320
Speaker 2: can't be over easy. Terrible joke, Chuck, that's.

917
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 3: What I say. It's all right, rebound, rebound, Is.

918
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,240
Speaker 4: This really happening? Did you talk about long nipples?

919
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 1: All right?

920
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 2: The SR seventy one Blackbird was at the time super secret.

921
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 2: We all know about it now, but at the time

922
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 2: it was very secret, and it was kind of a

923
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 2: big deal to get this thing up in the air.

924
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 1: So especially multiple times, like one time, it's like, your

925
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: dad is the head of CIA and you're the head

926
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 1: of Seattle PD, so you can make it happen maybe once, right,

927
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: multiple times. That's weird that the SR seventy one was scrambled.

928
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:46,879
Speaker 4: Right.

929
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 1: The FBI is very studious and likes to do a

930
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:54,840
Speaker 1: lot of obvious stuff, So they interviewed everybody in the

931
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 1: area with the last name of Cooper, which there's like

932
00:48:58,920 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 1: a square one.

933
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 3: This is like square negative five.

934
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, sure, no, it's negative five. I looked it up.

935
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 2: Okay, So you look up all the Coopers in the

936
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 2: area and at this point they have a press conference.

937
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 2: And if you've noticed, we've been calling this dude Dan

938
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,799
Speaker 2: Cooper the whole time, because up until this time he

939
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,800
Speaker 2: was just Dan Cooper. So they have a press conference

940
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 2: and there's it's sort of I don't think we know

941
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 2: who messed it up, right.

942
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 1: Well, or okay, a cop, either a file clerk or

943
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 1: a cop of talking in front of a reporter got

944
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 1: either UPI or AP, depending on who you ask, And

945
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 1: they were saying like, what Cooper could could have done

946
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 1: something like this?

947
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:41,879
Speaker 4: Right?

948
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 1: And somebody said, well, there's a Dan Cooper who's a

949
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 1: cat burglar in the area. That's a terrible suggestion. Cat

950
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:53,319
Speaker 1: burglar does not go to hijacker, you know. And this

951
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:56,760
Speaker 1: reporter was like, what a scoop and hit the wire

952
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 1: with cops looking for dB Cooper.

953
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, he said dB Cooper.

954
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 3: Did I say Dan Cooper?

955
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's all right.

956
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 1: The little part of my brain was like, you just

957
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 1: said Dan. Let's start over. So a cop was talking

958
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 1: in front of an AP reporter and they said what

959
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 1: Cooper do you know could have done this? And the

960
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,360
Speaker 1: cop said, well, there's this d dB Cooper.

961
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 4: What did you just say. Did you just say a

962
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:24,240
Speaker 4: D Cooper?

963
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:30,240
Speaker 1: I said, there's a dB Cooper I got at that time,

964
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 1: he's a cat burglar. And the reporter said, this is

965
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 1: hitting the wire and he reported that the cops were

966
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 1: looking for a dB Cooper and it just changed from

967
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 1: that point on.

968
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, he was never a dB Cooper. It

969
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 2: was literally a mistake. So that's why we all know

970
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:49,319
Speaker 2: him as dB Cooper today. And the FBI actually a

971
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 2: little smart, believe it or not, and they said, you

972
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:53,839
Speaker 2: know what, let's keep it that way. That way we'll

973
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,880
Speaker 2: know if any tips come in on a Dan Cooper,

974
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 2: will know it's a hot lead.

975
00:50:58,360 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 4: So it actually ended up kind of working in their favor.

976
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, And anytime a tip like that came in, like

977
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:05,400
Speaker 1: the office prankster would come in with the facts and

978
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 1: be like hot lead, hot lead. It was like a

979
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:15,839
Speaker 1: joke around the Portland office. Everybody loved Richard.

980
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:16,760
Speaker 4: And this will.

981
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 2: This will come up later too when it comes time

982
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 2: to solve the crime.

983
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 4: They Later on, the FBI.

984
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 2: Learned that there was a comic book in the nineteen

985
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:31,240
Speaker 2: fifties about a Dan Cooper who was a Canadian jet

986
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 2: pilot and it was a Belgian comic, which is a

987
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 2: little weird, but it was you know, there was literally

988
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 2: a Dan Cooper who jumped out of planes and comic book.

989
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 4: Form right exactly, could be a clue.

990
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 1: Maybe and that's a niche comic, right, so I would

991
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 1: say so printed in Belgium in the French about a

992
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: Canadian fighter.

993
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 4: Pilot in the frame.

994
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 1: All they had to do is find, like the ten

995
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 1: people who knew of that comedy. We're going to be like,

996
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 1: what'd you do? We know it was one of you.

997
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:03,759
Speaker 1: And so the UBI had a pretty clear belief, very

998
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 1: openly stated belief, that D. B. Cooper died in the jump.

999
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 1: It was just the line that they took right off

1000
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: the bat. They're like, there's no way this guy survived.

1001
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 1: And the he wasn't the lead agent on the case,

1002
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 1: but he became the most famous agent, Ralph himmels.

1003
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 4: Bach Any Himmel's box in the house. No, you're a liar,

1004
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 4: You're a.

1005
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 1: Liar, so Himmel's Bach. Like I said, he wasn't a

1006
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,240
Speaker 1: lead agent, but he was out of the Seattle office,

1007
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 1: and he became the most famous agent associated with it.

1008
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 1: And he actually gave the case its official name nor Jack,

1009
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 1: which is stupid.

1010
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 4: Anyway, Northwest Jack Skyjack.

1011
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 1: Right, but removed the sea. It's just called the D. B.

1012
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 1: Cooper Case, you know, or Hi Steven better. So he

1013
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 1: self published a book in nineteen eighty six about the case,

1014
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:55,360
Speaker 1: and himmels Bach said he thinks that D. B. Cooper

1015
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 1: didn't even get a shoot open, that he plunged to

1016
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 1: his death and hit the forest floor with such impact

1017
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 1: that he basically was buried immediately with the parachutes still attached,

1018
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:09,240
Speaker 1: and maybe even the money. And uh, that was Himmel's

1019
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 1: box take. It was excuse me, are you gonna get that?

1020
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 1: I realized it wasn't its twist off, And then I

1021
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 1: realized I had my lighter from the loose leaf tea place.

1022
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 3: Nice, nice going.

1023
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 4: You.

1024
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just saw the sum of Chuck's college education.

1025
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 4: So Cooper had jumped from the plane. Did he live?

1026
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 4: Did he not? The odds are against him in a

1027
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 4: lot of ways. Outside.

1028
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 2: The temperature that night was twenty degrees fahrenheit.

1029
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, Hey we're in America, man, just say twenty degrees.

1030
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're right, twenty degrees.

1031
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 2: USA. At ten thousand feet it was negative seven degrees yeah,

1032
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 2: and he was going one hundred and ninety miles an hour.

1033
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:11,319
Speaker 2: There was freezing rain. It was there was like a

1034
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,439
Speaker 2: quarter crescent or not a quarter crescent, a crescent moon. Yeah,

1035
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:16,919
Speaker 2: those are two different things. Crescent moon in the sky,

1036
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 2: but it was cloudy and rainy, so there's probably was

1037
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 2: zero light. It's freezing. He's ten thousand feet.

1038
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 3: He's not dressed for the occasion.

1039
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 4: Oh, he's wearing loafers. He's wearing an overcoat.

1040
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 2: He's got this he doesn't have this knapsack, so he's

1041
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 2: fashioning this weird kind of knapsack with this pink rope.

1042
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 1: Plus plus the area's jumping out into and he's flying

1043
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 1: at ten thousand feet over the cascades. Some of the cascades,

1044
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 1: as you guys know, are higher than ten thousand feet,

1045
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 1: very dangerous jump. And there's a lot of pointy trees.

1046
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:46,799
Speaker 1: I mean the POINTI ist am I right? See, I

1047
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:55,799
Speaker 1: know the point is trees are round. Plus despite what

1048
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 1: the FAA guy said, the FAA psychiatrists, yeah, he did

1049
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:02,919
Speaker 1: not leave the bomb to be detonated after he jumped off.

1050
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:03,879
Speaker 3: He took it with him.

1051
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:13,720
Speaker 1: Bank bag, bomb, overcoat, loafers, parachute was my dB Cooper pressure.

1052
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 2: And by the way, the FBI later on they interviewed Maclock,

1053
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:21,879
Speaker 2: who was the one who saw Yeah, Schaffner saw the bomb.

1054
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 4: Like you just did.

1055
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:25,879
Speaker 2: And she said, yeah, you have these red sticks taped together,

1056
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 2: and they went, huh, that wasn't dynamite. Dynamite isn't red.

1057
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:32,720
Speaker 2: You've seen too many cartoons dynamite as tan. Road flares

1058
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 2: are red. So it was more than likely a fake

1059
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 2: bomb with an alarm clock and road flares.

1060
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:42,359
Speaker 1: Plus dB Cooper did not help his cause by his

1061
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:46,759
Speaker 1: choice of parachutes, right he So he chose a military

1062
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 1: shoot as his main shoot. It was not a great shoot.

1063
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 1: The ripcord wasn't as easily accessed as the recreational shoots,

1064
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:57,400
Speaker 1: and once it deployed you can't steer it very well.

1065
00:55:57,840 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 3: It was not the best choice.

1066
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 1: Even worse was his choice of the dummy shoot for

1067
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 1: his front reserve choot. He took the best shoot and

1068
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:08,879
Speaker 1: gutted it to make a handle for the bank bag,

1069
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:11,720
Speaker 1: let the second best shoot, and chose the two worst

1070
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:13,399
Speaker 1: shoots to jump out with. Right.

1071
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:15,880
Speaker 2: So, I didn't know you couldn't steer a military shoot,

1072
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 2: but it makes total sense.

1073
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 3: No, Yeah, they're just like, go for it, pal.

1074
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:23,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, because if I was in the military, I would steer.

1075
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 2: I'd be like, well, how don't we go over here instead?

1076
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:29,400
Speaker 2: I see a lot of guns down there.

1077
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:30,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's take it.

1078
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 2: This way, so they just drop you apparently. Yeah, man,

1079
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 2: I guess they know what they're doing. Though, So some

1080
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:44,359
Speaker 2: other theories, because it's Washington, believe it or not, some

1081
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 2: people actually posited that he was eaten by sasquatch.

1082
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, with a straight face. I mean, let's be honest,

1083
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:55,839
Speaker 1: how many of you in here were thinking the same thing.

1084
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,760
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1085
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 1: Some other people say, well, he was clearly burned up

1086
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:03,839
Speaker 1: by the jet exhaust, because when you come down the

1087
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 1: stairs of a seven twenty seven, the rear jet engines

1088
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 1: right in front of you, and it would have been

1089
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 1: seven eight hundred degrees right there. But the FBI conducted

1090
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 1: a test right afterward where they took a seven twenty

1091
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 1: seven up and they took a two hundred pound sled.

1092
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 2: A two hundred pound prison victim.

1093
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 3: Right, he was condemned.

1094
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 1: Don't worry about it, it's fine, and they said, and

1095
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:34,959
Speaker 1: threw it off. And they found that the two hundred

1096
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 1: pound sled that's the euphemism, I guess now, went straight down,

1097
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 1: so it didn't come in contact in any way with

1098
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:45,640
Speaker 1: the jet exhaust. So it kind of did away with

1099
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 1: this idea that he burned up.

1100
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 2: Well, it was kind of good news bad news though,

1101
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 2: because what it did do at least was it mimic

1102
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 2: that same oscillation. Yeah, so they're like, oh, you know what,

1103
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 2: it was the exact same thing happened when you were

1104
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 2: in the air. So that eight twelve pm jump time,

1105
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 2: like it was probably right on the money.

1106
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 4: So we know probably where he might have landed.

1107
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 1: Right, So there's a lot of questions remaining, right, and

1108
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 1: there were some clues left behind. The thing that really

1109
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 1: kind of confounded the FBI at first was that they

1110
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 1: combed the area where they were looking for him, with

1111
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 1: like a thousand people just combing this area, the SR

1112
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 1: seventy one blackbirds circling around looking. They didn't find anything.

1113
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 1: He had left a couple of things on board the plane, right.

1114
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 1: He'd left his clip on tie, which was the second

1115
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 1: biggest secret that night.

1116
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 2: Well, that's what you do before you jump out. Sure,

1117
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 2: you know, you take it off. There was a clip

1118
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:42,960
Speaker 2: on all along.

1119
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 4: You unbutton that button and you're like, I'm out.

1120
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 3: Of here, all right.

1121
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 1: He left eight cigarette butts of his Rawley brand cigarettes.

1122
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 1: He'd smoked eight over five hours, and all eight butts

1123
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 1: have since been lost. Right, They found a hair on

1124
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 1: the headrest. They the thing is the FBI traded in fingerprints.

1125
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:06,480
Speaker 1: That was their big thing at the time, and Dan

1126
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 1: Cooper had been very smart to not leave a single

1127
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 1: print on any of the cigarette butts.

1128
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1129
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 2: True, but there was fingerprints on the in flight.

1130
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:16,920
Speaker 4: I guess sky Mall.

1131
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 1: Magazine Rip sky Mall. What do you mean it's not around,

1132
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 1: It's gone. Yeah, sky Mall's gone. Did you guys not

1133
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 1: know this? No? Ways?

1134
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why I said, alright.

1135
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 2: I know, but I just uh, I don't know where

1136
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 2: am I going to get my putting green that doubles

1137
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 2: as a cat feeder?

1138
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:47,440
Speaker 1: My friend, you can just go to front Gate because

1139
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 1: fron K has everything everyone needs. What's that fron K

1140
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 1: They advertised in sky Mall, but they have stores too.

1141
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 4: I don't even know where I am right now.

1142
00:59:58,840 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 3: That's uncle likes.

1143
01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 4: What year is it?

1144
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:07,440
Speaker 2: No, So it would be seven years before any trace

1145
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 2: of the hijacking, any real clue turned up, and it

1146
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 2: was in nineteen seventy eight. There were some hunters and

1147
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:22,400
Speaker 2: Oregon hunting animals. I guess, right, unless it was the

1148
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 2: most dangerous game.

1149
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:26,840
Speaker 3: You don't know. It's Oregon.

1150
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 4: You never know.

1151
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 2: There are less civilized people than we have here. They

1152
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 2: found a plastic instruction placard showing how to lower the

1153
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 2: A F staircase in the woods.

1154
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 4: So this is like a really good clue.

1155
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:43,640
Speaker 1: It was, but it didn't lead to anything new.

1156
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 2: Well, no, it was definitely from flight three oh five,

1157
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 2: which was I guess I'm saying it was cool.

1158
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 1: It was cool, like if you were the Hunter, you'd

1159
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 1: be like, I'm keeping this sure, But it was on

1160
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 1: the flight path. So it didn't generate any new leads.

1161
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 1: But it generated a lot of renewed interest in the

1162
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 1: case because, believe it or not, the dB Cooper case

1163
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 1: had kind of fall into the wayside in the last

1164
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 1: like seven years. People just didn't think much about it anymore. Oh,

1165
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:10,280
Speaker 1: they just skyjackings, right exactly. So it was like a

1166
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:13,320
Speaker 1: diamond dozen. But all of a sudden, everybody's like, we

1167
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:15,439
Speaker 1: got to make a movie. Who's the biggest movie star.

1168
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:19,440
Speaker 1: We've got treat Williams, make him his dB Cooper, And

1169
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:20,160
Speaker 1: that's what they did.

1170
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:23,640
Speaker 4: Has anyone ever seen the pursuit of T B. Cooper?

1171
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 1: No, that's that's right, everybody. God bless you, Seattle smart

1172
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:31,920
Speaker 1: Town chunk.

1173
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:35,120
Speaker 2: I figured here, like somebody because it was a local thing.

1174
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:40,680
Speaker 2: Nineteen eighty one, very very bad movie was made several

1175
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:45,640
Speaker 2: starring Treat Williams and Robert duvall Right.

1176
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:49,160
Speaker 3: Whose mom needed surgery at the time. To layoff.

1177
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:51,919
Speaker 4: So here's what you well.

1178
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:53,720
Speaker 2: First of all, if you want to know how big

1179
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:57,480
Speaker 2: a piece of garbage this movie is, it had three directors,

1180
01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:00,680
Speaker 2: And if you know anything about film making, if you

1181
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:03,720
Speaker 2: have more than one director, it's probably a really bad

1182
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 2: movie for one reason or another. If it has three,

1183
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:08,600
Speaker 2: then it's guaranteed to be bad. But all you need

1184
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:10,680
Speaker 2: to do is go home tonight when you get back

1185
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:12,960
Speaker 2: to your to your house boat.

1186
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:14,000
Speaker 3: In it's a quah.

1187
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:19,960
Speaker 4: Does anyone here live in a house boat? Now? Okay?

1188
01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:21,800
Speaker 2: Because I was gonna ask if I could come stay

1189
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:24,200
Speaker 2: over because those things are awesome.

1190
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 1: That was just Sleepless in Seattle. You've seen that too

1191
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:29,120
Speaker 1: many times.

1192
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:30,560
Speaker 4: Oh no, they exist.

1193
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:35,040
Speaker 2: Because I tried to stay in an airbnb actually before

1194
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 2: I came here on a house boat. Yeah, I totally did,

1195
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:42,000
Speaker 2: and I ended up in some stupid hotel downtown. Go

1196
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:46,120
Speaker 2: home to your YouTube's type in Pursuit of dB Cooper

1197
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:49,840
Speaker 2: and watch the first three minutes.

1198
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:53,800
Speaker 4: Because this movie literally starts.

1199
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:56,080
Speaker 2: With the point from where dB Cooper jumps out of

1200
01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:59,360
Speaker 2: the back of the plane. It starts from the point

1201
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:04,800
Speaker 2: where we know nothing else that happened is literally fictional.

1202
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:07,960
Speaker 1: From that point slogan on the movie posters fac smacks.

1203
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:15,520
Speaker 4: So it starts with the pursuit of D. B.

1204
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:17,680
Speaker 2: Cooper and has Robert duvall the names all come up

1205
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:19,680
Speaker 2: and all that, and it's got a jewe heart plane.

1206
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:24,320
Speaker 2: It's like Wong Bong Bong Bong Bong and Treat Williams.

1207
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 2: It's a terrible voice voiceover recording. You just hear yeah.

1208
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:31,920
Speaker 2: And he jumps off the thing because that's what you do.

1209
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:35,480
Speaker 2: And he jump off a plane and your skyjacking. He

1210
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:37,480
Speaker 2: parachutes down in the night and the night and he

1211
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 2: catches through some trees and lands and then just this

1212
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:42,480
Speaker 2: really little sad yahoo.

1213
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:47,320
Speaker 3: Everything was sad about that.

1214
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:49,320
Speaker 2: And Treat Williams gets on the on the ground and

1215
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:52,360
Speaker 2: he and he takes out a cigar and he takes

1216
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:54,320
Speaker 2: out a lighter because that's what you do too when

1217
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:56,240
Speaker 2: you successfully landed after skyjacking.

1218
01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:58,080
Speaker 4: He doesn't light the lighter though.

1219
01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 2: He rips open the money bags had a one hundred

1220
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:04,320
Speaker 2: dollars bill and he lights that and then he uses

1221
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:07,680
Speaker 2: that to light a cigar, and that is how that

1222
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:11,880
Speaker 2: movie opens, and it goes downhill from there.

1223
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:15,320
Speaker 4: And Robert deval Is he's just you can tell.

1224
01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:20,680
Speaker 1: When he starts every scene going yeah, let's do it.

1225
01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:23,040
Speaker 2: It's so bad, But I do encourage you. It was

1226
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 2: when I was a kid and it came out. It

1227
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:27,480
Speaker 2: was like, we got HBO on my street and it

1228
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:30,000
Speaker 2: was a really big deal when we got cable and HBO.

1229
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:32,280
Speaker 2: So I would literally watch any movie that came out.

1230
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:37,040
Speaker 2: It was like Kroll, that's on, I'll watch Kroll was okay,

1231
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:40,800
Speaker 2: Four Games, great movie. Sure, pursuit of dB Cooper, why not?

1232
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:42,960
Speaker 1: I was not exposed to that.

1233
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1234
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:47,160
Speaker 1: I think my mother shielded me from that movie. Good

1235
01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:50,560
Speaker 1: for you, mom. But watch the first two minutes on

1236
01:04:50,800 --> 01:05:17,920
Speaker 1: j So we're still talking about the Placard, weren't we?

1237
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:20,560
Speaker 2: No, no, no, all right, we'll go to nineteen eighty was

1238
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:23,600
Speaker 2: the first real good clue turns up in nineteen eighty Right,

1239
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 2: this is a big clueue.

1240
01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:27,880
Speaker 1: So there's a young lad named Brian Ingram, he was

1241
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:30,600
Speaker 1: eight I think at the time. Yeah, and his family

1242
01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:33,240
Speaker 1: was camping on Tina Bar. Are you guys familiar with

1243
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:35,040
Speaker 1: Tina bar. Do you guys know what that is?

1244
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:35,040
Speaker 4: It?

1245
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:39,800
Speaker 1: Columbia River? Yeah, so are we correct and understanding that

1246
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:41,720
Speaker 1: you would just call it an island not a bar?

1247
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:42,880
Speaker 3: Okay?

1248
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:48,160
Speaker 1: All right? So Tina Island everywhere else. The Ingram family

1249
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:51,919
Speaker 1: was camping and Brian Ingram was fashioning a fire pit

1250
01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:55,480
Speaker 1: for his family. Oh, father's going to love this fire pit.

1251
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:59,560
Speaker 1: He'll be proud of me. Yet, Oh, father, won't you

1252
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:04,720
Speaker 1: love me? And as he's as, he's like, he's going

1253
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:08,560
Speaker 1: like this to the sand, poor little eight year old.

1254
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:12,120
Speaker 1: He turns up a stack of bills, several stacks of bills,

1255
01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:16,880
Speaker 1: actually three, and these stacks of twenty dollars bills total

1256
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:19,760
Speaker 1: fifty eight and eighty dollars, and he's like father.

1257
01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:23,200
Speaker 3: And father.

1258
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:26,480
Speaker 1: Father takes those and starts looking at him, and he's like,

1259
01:06:26,520 --> 01:06:28,560
Speaker 1: we should probably call the police. So they go and

1260
01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:29,280
Speaker 1: call the police.

1261
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:29,640
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1262
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:33,320
Speaker 2: Again, they call the Seattle Police, which evidently all they

1263
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:34,920
Speaker 2: do is forward calls to the FBI.

1264
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:42,760
Speaker 1: At this point they're like, Seattle PD, please hold. So

1265
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:45,600
Speaker 1: the FBI is like, read a serial number, and he

1266
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:49,080
Speaker 1: reads one and they're like read us. Another reads another,

1267
01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:53,000
Speaker 1: and they're like that's dB Cooper money and Ingram's father's like,

1268
01:06:53,120 --> 01:06:53,880
Speaker 1: what did you say?

1269
01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:54,760
Speaker 3: And they're like nothing.

1270
01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:01,440
Speaker 1: So the FBI gets their hands on it, and actually

1271
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:04,000
Speaker 1: we should say it turns out they let little Brian

1272
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:07,640
Speaker 1: Ingram take some of the money. Three thousand dollars of

1273
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:08,080
Speaker 1: this money.

1274
01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:11,400
Speaker 2: Actually yea later on they returned a little not bad, right, right?

1275
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:13,680
Speaker 2: And you want to know what's even better? In two

1276
01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:15,920
Speaker 2: thousand and eight, little Brian Ingram sold that money on

1277
01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:17,680
Speaker 2: eBay for thirty seven grand.

1278
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:26,800
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, take that, father. So the thing is, this

1279
01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:29,000
Speaker 1: money showed up in a place where it should not

1280
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:35,520
Speaker 1: have been. It showed up twenty miles south of Aeriel, Washington,

1281
01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:38,680
Speaker 1: in another river. So they were looking here in the

1282
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:42,919
Speaker 1: Lewis River, right, everybody knows Lewis River, Aeriel, Washington. Here,

1283
01:07:43,240 --> 01:07:46,560
Speaker 1: Tina Barr's down here just a little south of Vancouver.

1284
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:51,040
Speaker 1: Is my geography, my air geography right of Vancouver, Washington.

1285
01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:56,280
Speaker 1: Everybody Vancouver, Washington. That is it? Like this, that's even

1286
01:07:56,440 --> 01:08:00,880
Speaker 1: more amazing. This is what I suspect. And I looked

1287
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:02,440
Speaker 1: it up on Google Maps and they're like, what do

1288
01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:05,880
Speaker 1: you mean, Tina bar Josh So I wasn't able to

1289
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:09,120
Speaker 1: conclusively find it, but I did have this idea that

1290
01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:13,160
Speaker 1: it somehow ended up above it. And an FBI hydrologist

1291
01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:14,840
Speaker 1: looked at this money.

1292
01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:17,120
Speaker 4: Said, FBI has a hydrologist, right.

1293
01:08:17,360 --> 01:08:20,800
Speaker 1: I'm retainer him knows Bach got ahold of him. And

1294
01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:24,360
Speaker 1: the guy was like, so this stuff's only been exposed

1295
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:26,680
Speaker 1: to the elements for a year, even though it was

1296
01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:30,840
Speaker 1: found what nine years after the robbery? Right? Yeah, and

1297
01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:33,080
Speaker 1: it got here one of two ways, the guy said,

1298
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:37,639
Speaker 1: So the Columbia River flooded in nineteen seventy four, Yes,

1299
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:40,320
Speaker 1: and it was also dredged in like nineteen seventy seven,

1300
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:42,880
Speaker 1: So one of those two probably got this yere, but

1301
01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:45,320
Speaker 1: no one's ever said conclusively how it ended up where

1302
01:08:45,320 --> 01:08:45,680
Speaker 1: it was.

1303
01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:50,520
Speaker 4: So it did, Yeah, there you go, I got it.

1304
01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:52,960
Speaker 2: It would be another twenty eight years before any more

1305
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:55,439
Speaker 2: clues turned up, so that's a very long wait. In

1306
01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:57,960
Speaker 2: two thousand and eight, just eight short years ago, some

1307
01:08:58,120 --> 01:09:02,000
Speaker 2: kids were playing on there was it their own land

1308
01:09:02,160 --> 01:09:04,719
Speaker 2: in Amboy, h little south of Ariel.

1309
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:06,280
Speaker 4: Anyone from Amboy.

1310
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:12,120
Speaker 1: No, I suspected, not are we in Washington? Okay, yeah,

1311
01:09:12,120 --> 01:09:13,360
Speaker 1: but nobody's from Amboy.

1312
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:17,400
Speaker 2: We got more response in Birmingham, No about Amboy.

1313
01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:20,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, They're like, we like the sound of that.

1314
01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:25,160
Speaker 2: So these kids were playing in the woods on their

1315
01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:30,040
Speaker 2: property and they said, oh, look at there, there's a parachute.

1316
01:09:30,479 --> 01:09:33,800
Speaker 2: And they start pulling out this parachute for like an hour.

1317
01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:36,160
Speaker 4: It's like a magic trick. And they finally get to

1318
01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:36,559
Speaker 4: the end of.

1319
01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:40,480
Speaker 2: The parachute and they run and show Paw and they say, Paw,

1320
01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:42,519
Speaker 2: I found a parachute in the woods.

1321
01:09:43,360 --> 01:09:44,760
Speaker 4: What should we do? Right?

1322
01:09:45,360 --> 01:09:49,400
Speaker 1: And Paw recognize that this is the most exciting thing

1323
01:09:49,439 --> 01:09:49,960
Speaker 1: that ever.

1324
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:51,880
Speaker 3: Happened in Amboy, Washington.

1325
01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:57,080
Speaker 1: Called the cops, who called the Seattle police, who called

1326
01:09:57,080 --> 01:10:02,639
Speaker 1: the FBI, and the FBI did something smart. They're like, well,

1327
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:05,200
Speaker 1: you know, who would know if this was dbe Cooper's parachute?

1328
01:10:05,320 --> 01:10:08,200
Speaker 1: Good old Earl Costy's right, he's not dead yet, not

1329
01:10:08,360 --> 01:10:14,840
Speaker 1: dead yet, oh too soon.

1330
01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:19,160
Speaker 4: That's a good he's not dead yet.

1331
01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:23,280
Speaker 2: That's a celebratory None of us are dead yet, right.

1332
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:27,400
Speaker 1: That's a good, good way of looking at it, Chuck,

1333
01:10:27,479 --> 01:10:29,320
Speaker 1: good save way to find the silver lining.

1334
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:31,639
Speaker 3: So Earl Cossi looked at this thing and he was.

1335
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:35,280
Speaker 2: Like, no, yeah, he said, I'm sorry. He said, uh, Cooper,

1336
01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:37,719
Speaker 2: shoot was nylon. That's clearly silk.

1337
01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:41,400
Speaker 1: A good try, Yeah, he said, this is I know

1338
01:10:41,439 --> 01:10:44,519
Speaker 1: who shoot this is actually Yeah, it turns out that

1339
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:48,080
Speaker 1: back in nineteen forty five, a jet pilot named Floyd

1340
01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:51,120
Speaker 1: Walling bailed out of his coarse air jet that was

1341
01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:56,559
Speaker 1: going down and parachuted out in the woods around Amboy Washington, right,

1342
01:10:56,600 --> 01:11:00,880
Speaker 1: which isn't too far from aerial And it wasn't Cooper's shoot.

1343
01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:03,080
Speaker 1: You guys all remember when they found that parachute right

1344
01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:04,000
Speaker 1: like two thousand and eight.

1345
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:04,920
Speaker 3: It wasn't that long ago.

1346
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:09,559
Speaker 1: It was a big deal and it wasn't his shoot,

1347
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:12,840
Speaker 1: but it did suggest that possibly he could have made

1348
01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:15,720
Speaker 1: it because Floyd Walling had and he walked out of

1349
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:18,599
Speaker 1: the woods in terrible weather, just like dB Cooper would

1350
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:21,679
Speaker 1: have had to. So it kind of shined the light

1351
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:22,840
Speaker 1: on the whole thing again.

1352
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:24,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, it kind of kicks some interest up.

1353
01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:28,960
Speaker 2: So over the years, there have been many, many, many,

1354
01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:33,080
Speaker 2: many suspects, like we're talking over a thousand. The FBI

1355
01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:36,120
Speaker 2: won't even say how many suspects they've had. Or weirdly,

1356
01:11:36,200 --> 01:11:38,519
Speaker 2: people confessing to be dB Cooper. It's one of those

1357
01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:41,280
Speaker 2: strange things that people do where they claim to be

1358
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:43,080
Speaker 2: something that will send you to prison.

1359
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:46,120
Speaker 1: Well a lot of them are already in prison, but

1360
01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:48,240
Speaker 1: they're in worse prison and hoping to go to a

1361
01:11:48,280 --> 01:11:48,960
Speaker 1: good prison.

1362
01:11:49,200 --> 01:11:49,880
Speaker 4: No, it's true.

1363
01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:52,839
Speaker 2: Apparently state prisoners will try to confess to federal crimes

1364
01:11:53,080 --> 01:11:55,840
Speaker 2: because the cinnamon buns are better in federal prison.

1365
01:11:57,680 --> 01:11:59,240
Speaker 3: I was thinking cinnamon bust, were you really?

1366
01:11:59,320 --> 01:12:02,519
Speaker 2: Yep, that's because there's cinnamon buns in our green room.

1367
01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:04,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, well no.

1368
01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:06,599
Speaker 2: We've mentioned that in the prison. That's like a commodity

1369
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:07,880
Speaker 2: in prison, right, cinnamon buns.

1370
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:08,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like currency.

1371
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:12,040
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, cinnamon buns and cigarettes.

1372
01:12:13,439 --> 01:12:13,800
Speaker 3: We know.

1373
01:12:18,280 --> 01:12:19,759
Speaker 4: So there's a very famous sketch.

1374
01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:21,559
Speaker 2: If you go home, before you get on YouTube and

1375
01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:24,639
Speaker 2: look at the first three minutes of that terrible movie,

1376
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:27,519
Speaker 2: which you definitely need to do, just Google, get on

1377
01:12:27,560 --> 01:12:33,280
Speaker 2: the Googles and type in dB Cooper sketch. There's a

1378
01:12:33,400 --> 01:12:37,200
Speaker 2: very singular famous sketch of dB Cooper.

1379
01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:38,559
Speaker 3: It looks like Kevin Spacey.

1380
01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:42,320
Speaker 1: It looks a lot like Kevin Spacey.

1381
01:12:42,040 --> 01:12:44,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, or Don Draper again.

1382
01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:45,759
Speaker 3: As Kevin Spacey.

1383
01:12:47,160 --> 01:12:49,920
Speaker 4: I think it would be Kevin Spacey as Don Draper. Yeah, yeah, sure.

1384
01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:52,120
Speaker 2: So if you go home and look at that, it's like,

1385
01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:53,760
Speaker 2: you know, got this kind of shortiar guy looks like

1386
01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:54,240
Speaker 2: he's sort.

1387
01:12:54,120 --> 01:12:55,360
Speaker 4: Of from the fifties or sixties.

1388
01:12:55,640 --> 01:12:57,760
Speaker 2: It's got the hair, he's got the sunglasses on, and

1389
01:12:57,800 --> 01:13:00,280
Speaker 2: the tie, the skinny tie, and that this is the

1390
01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:02,720
Speaker 2: only sketch that they have of dB Cooper that they

1391
01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:06,600
Speaker 2: got from the flight attendant, specifically Tina Mucklaw, because she

1392
01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:09,800
Speaker 2: spent like five hours right next to the dude. She

1393
01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:14,439
Speaker 2: incidentally was really messed up after this, understandably, and she

1394
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:18,000
Speaker 2: went to be a nun in Oregon in the nineteen eighties,

1395
01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:20,280
Speaker 2: which is a little weird. I didn't know they had

1396
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:21,920
Speaker 2: convents in Oregon.

1397
01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:24,839
Speaker 1: Sure, comments everywhere, convents everywhere.

1398
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:26,240
Speaker 4: There's a convent right over in the alley.

1399
01:13:26,479 --> 01:13:29,360
Speaker 1: Here's a comment behind us right now. But even worse

1400
01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:32,120
Speaker 1: than that, the mother superior, in an article I read

1401
01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:35,679
Speaker 1: at the convent, said she never really fit in here. Oh,

1402
01:13:36,160 --> 01:13:38,880
Speaker 1: you're not supposed to. If you're a mother superior, that's

1403
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:45,839
Speaker 1: a mother inferior. If you ask me, you know, good one.

1404
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:50,479
Speaker 4: So sorry, you go ahead, all right.

1405
01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:52,960
Speaker 2: If you look at some of the behavior that Cooper displayed,

1406
01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:54,160
Speaker 2: you're going to turn up some clues.

1407
01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:55,280
Speaker 4: And that's what the FBI does.

1408
01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:59,240
Speaker 2: It kind of examine what happened he chose a military shoot,

1409
01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:02,519
Speaker 2: which could mean one of two things. Either he was

1410
01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:05,360
Speaker 2: former military, which could narrow it down, or it could

1411
01:14:05,400 --> 01:14:07,519
Speaker 2: mean he has no idea what he's doing when it

1412
01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:09,040
Speaker 2: comes to jumping out of a plane.

1413
01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:11,519
Speaker 1: Right, And the choice of that dummy choot would definitely

1414
01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:16,439
Speaker 1: suggest that, because even recreational skydivers say, like, even if

1415
01:14:16,439 --> 01:14:19,120
Speaker 1: you're just a military parachutist, you're going to see a

1416
01:14:19,200 --> 01:14:22,559
Speaker 1: huge X on a parachute and instinctively shy away from

1417
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:23,480
Speaker 1: that parachute.

1418
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:26,280
Speaker 4: You know, I thought it stood for extreme.

1419
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:28,520
Speaker 3: Right, mountain dew extreme.

1420
01:14:30,280 --> 01:14:32,600
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of people say, I think he

1421
01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:37,120
Speaker 1: probably is ex military, had some like parachuting experience, probably

1422
01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:39,680
Speaker 1: a paratrooper or something like that. Yeah, A lot of

1423
01:14:39,720 --> 01:14:44,400
Speaker 1: people point to the idea that he knew a lot

1424
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:47,639
Speaker 1: about the plane. He knew about the wing flap degree

1425
01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:50,240
Speaker 1: that it could go to, he knew about altitude. A

1426
01:14:50,240 --> 01:14:53,759
Speaker 1: lot of the witnesses later on said that he clearly

1427
01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:56,599
Speaker 1: was very much aware of what was going on in

1428
01:14:56,600 --> 01:14:57,120
Speaker 1: the cabin.

1429
01:14:57,400 --> 01:14:58,960
Speaker 3: He just knew the plane very much.

1430
01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:01,599
Speaker 1: So a lot of other people say this guy was

1431
01:15:01,680 --> 01:15:05,120
Speaker 1: probably an airline employee, maybe even a pilot actually, based

1432
01:15:05,160 --> 01:15:07,960
Speaker 1: on the altitude and stuff that he gave him to fly.

1433
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:10,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and one of the weird things that he knew

1434
01:15:10,240 --> 01:15:12,559
Speaker 2: was that the seven twenty seven one hundred had an

1435
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:15,720
Speaker 2: af staircase that you could lower and jump out of.

1436
01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:19,960
Speaker 2: Because this wasn't common knowledge at the time, Apparently a small.

1437
01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:20,680
Speaker 4: Group of people knew this.

1438
01:15:20,920 --> 01:15:23,840
Speaker 2: You were either in an employee of Boeing or you

1439
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:27,240
Speaker 2: may have been in the CIA, because in the Vietnam War,

1440
01:15:27,800 --> 01:15:31,360
Speaker 2: we actually used the seven twenty seven over Cambodia, which

1441
01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:33,639
Speaker 2: is where we were not supposed to be, and they

1442
01:15:33,680 --> 01:15:36,040
Speaker 2: lowered that aft staircase of the seven twenty seven to

1443
01:15:36,120 --> 01:15:36,759
Speaker 2: drop supplies.

1444
01:15:36,840 --> 01:15:40,719
Speaker 1: It's a go you can't steer but go well.

1445
01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:42,639
Speaker 2: And then there's the whole thing with the SR seventy

1446
01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:47,280
Speaker 2: one Blackbird. So a lot of cooperists still say that

1447
01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:49,960
Speaker 2: he might have been secretly a member of the CIA,

1448
01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:52,240
Speaker 2: right because he knew about the aft staircase, He knew

1449
01:15:52,240 --> 01:15:54,840
Speaker 2: about the or the blackbird was scrambled, so they had

1450
01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:56,599
Speaker 2: like some skin in the game, right.

1451
01:15:57,280 --> 01:16:00,880
Speaker 1: So a lot of suspects have come and gone and

1452
01:16:01,120 --> 01:16:04,760
Speaker 1: come back and stayed over the years. The FBI says

1453
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:06,760
Speaker 1: about it, well, they won't say, but a lot of

1454
01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:09,439
Speaker 1: people say about a thousand, like Chuck said. But one

1455
01:16:09,439 --> 01:16:11,280
Speaker 1: of the first ones to emerge was a dude named

1456
01:16:11,360 --> 01:16:15,639
Speaker 1: Richard McCoy. And in February of nineteen seventy two, I think,

1457
01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:20,120
Speaker 1: four months after the dB Cooper heist, Richard McCoy hijacked

1458
01:16:20,360 --> 01:16:23,280
Speaker 1: a seven to twenty seven to one hundred flight and

1459
01:16:23,320 --> 01:16:26,080
Speaker 1: he asked for five hundred thousand dollars in cash, and

1460
01:16:26,120 --> 01:16:31,080
Speaker 1: he parachuted successfully out the back over Utah. Right, yep,

1461
01:16:31,200 --> 01:16:34,559
Speaker 1: So a lot of people say it's pretty similar. Yeah,

1462
01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:35,920
Speaker 1: maybe that was Dbe Cooper.

1463
01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:36,679
Speaker 4: Well in five.

1464
01:16:36,520 --> 01:16:39,720
Speaker 2: Hundred grand, that to me that makes sense, Like two

1465
01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:42,000
Speaker 2: hundred grand worked out fine, right, I should have asked

1466
01:16:42,040 --> 01:16:42,840
Speaker 2: for more to begin with.

1467
01:16:42,960 --> 01:16:45,000
Speaker 1: Right, So let me try it again, Try it again.

1468
01:16:45,320 --> 01:16:48,479
Speaker 2: It turns out that he was a Green Beret in Vietnam,

1469
01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:51,559
Speaker 2: so that sort of fits with the whole profile. He

1470
01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:54,920
Speaker 2: looked a little bit like the sketch of Dan Cooper and.

1471
01:16:55,080 --> 01:16:55,800
Speaker 3: A little bit.

1472
01:16:56,520 --> 01:16:59,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was twenty nine years old, so he was

1473
01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:01,800
Speaker 2: much younger than but he didn't look twenty nine.

1474
01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:03,400
Speaker 4: I'll say that he looked much older than that.

1475
01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:03,679
Speaker 1: True.

1476
01:17:04,200 --> 01:17:08,479
Speaker 2: He looked more like Don Draper than Charles Manson. I'll

1477
01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:12,559
Speaker 2: say that absolutely. So this guy gets caught actually after

1478
01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:16,519
Speaker 2: pulling off this, he initially and he goes to prison

1479
01:17:16,920 --> 01:17:19,599
Speaker 2: and he makes a fake gun out of dental plaster

1480
01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:22,840
Speaker 2: from the dentist in the prison, and he takes the

1481
01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:26,000
Speaker 2: truck by force and literally crashes through the front gate

1482
01:17:26,040 --> 01:17:29,080
Speaker 2: of the prison and escapes and is later killed in

1483
01:17:29,120 --> 01:17:30,280
Speaker 2: a shootout by cops.

1484
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:34,080
Speaker 1: Which is to say Richard McCoy knew how to live.

1485
01:17:34,200 --> 01:17:34,839
Speaker 4: He did.

1486
01:17:37,880 --> 01:17:42,000
Speaker 2: And die, and his family would later go on to say, actually,

1487
01:17:42,080 --> 01:17:45,960
Speaker 2: he was at home in Thanksgiving nineteen seventy one, so

1488
01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:49,560
Speaker 2: it probably wasn't him, right, good suspect.

1489
01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:52,439
Speaker 1: Though, Suspect number two is named Dwayne Weber.

1490
01:17:52,840 --> 01:17:53,400
Speaker 4: This is your guy.

1491
01:17:53,400 --> 01:17:54,800
Speaker 1: No, this isn't No, this isn't my guy.

1492
01:17:55,160 --> 01:17:55,800
Speaker 3: I like this guy.

1493
01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:57,479
Speaker 1: He's fine, but I don't like him, you know what

1494
01:17:57,520 --> 01:18:00,479
Speaker 1: I mean. Yeah, So, Dwayne Webber was a career criminal,

1495
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:03,400
Speaker 1: and the definition of a career criminal is one where

1496
01:18:03,880 --> 01:18:08,240
Speaker 1: you and your alias have both done time in prison. Yeah,

1497
01:18:08,680 --> 01:18:12,479
Speaker 1: and he and his alias had done it combined sixteen years. Right.

1498
01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:16,679
Speaker 1: So he was on his deathbed and his wife Joe

1499
01:18:16,920 --> 01:18:19,320
Speaker 1: came around and said, how you doing. It's like while

1500
01:18:19,320 --> 01:18:22,160
Speaker 1: I'm still dying. I have a confession for you. I'd

1501
01:18:22,200 --> 01:18:27,559
Speaker 1: like you to hear. I am Dan Cooper and Joe's like,

1502
01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:32,639
Speaker 1: I don't know who that is, and Duayne blows up.

1503
01:18:33,080 --> 01:18:37,080
Speaker 1: They have a fight on his deathbed, never speak of

1504
01:18:37,120 --> 01:18:40,760
Speaker 1: it again, and he dies nine days later. So Joe

1505
01:18:40,840 --> 01:18:43,840
Speaker 1: starts poking around after that. She's like, who is this

1506
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:47,720
Speaker 1: Dan Cooper? Which is a legitimate question after your experience

1507
01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:49,200
Speaker 1: like that that she went through.

1508
01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:49,640
Speaker 4: I would say so.

1509
01:18:49,800 --> 01:18:53,160
Speaker 2: And she finds out via Internet this is nineteen ninety

1510
01:18:53,200 --> 01:18:56,679
Speaker 2: five that Dan Cooper was Dbe Cooper, and she said,

1511
01:18:56,720 --> 01:19:00,599
Speaker 2: you know what, I think that he was still the truth.

1512
01:19:00,680 --> 01:19:02,760
Speaker 2: I think he was dB Cooper because you know what,

1513
01:19:02,840 --> 01:19:06,439
Speaker 2: I remember in nineteen seventy nine, we were on a vacation.

1514
01:19:06,600 --> 01:19:07,639
Speaker 4: We were on a car trip.

1515
01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:11,040
Speaker 2: We were kind of right around the area where the

1516
01:19:11,320 --> 01:19:14,920
Speaker 2: hijacking or I'm sorry, where the landing supposedly took place,

1517
01:19:15,680 --> 01:19:19,439
Speaker 2: and my husband stopped the car and just pointed and said,

1518
01:19:19,479 --> 01:19:22,120
Speaker 2: you know what, that's where dB Cooper walked out of.

1519
01:19:22,040 --> 01:19:25,000
Speaker 1: The woods, which is a weird thing to say on vacation.

1520
01:19:25,080 --> 01:19:26,240
Speaker 4: Very weird thing to say.

1521
01:19:26,479 --> 01:19:28,920
Speaker 2: It's even weirder that she didn't say, what the hell

1522
01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:29,719
Speaker 2: are you talking about.

1523
01:19:30,360 --> 01:19:33,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, agreed, there's.

1524
01:19:33,560 --> 01:19:36,000
Speaker 4: Another story later on they were on another vacation.

1525
01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:37,439
Speaker 3: No, this is the same vacation.

1526
01:19:37,479 --> 01:19:39,080
Speaker 4: Oh it was the same one. Yeah, yeah, all right.

1527
01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:45,160
Speaker 2: We'll just call this the communication vacation the non communication vacation,

1528
01:19:45,240 --> 01:19:47,519
Speaker 2: because they clearly didn't talk to one another because he

1529
01:19:47,560 --> 01:19:50,759
Speaker 2: stopped over the Columbia River on a bridge, literally stops

1530
01:19:50,760 --> 01:19:52,720
Speaker 2: on a bridge, gets out of the car, goes to

1531
01:19:52,760 --> 01:19:55,360
Speaker 2: the back, opens the trunk, and it's just gone for

1532
01:19:55,479 --> 01:19:59,200
Speaker 2: like ten minutes, gets back in the car and they

1533
01:19:59,240 --> 01:20:00,120
Speaker 2: just drive on.

1534
01:20:00,280 --> 01:20:07,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, and she doesn't say anything. I know you me M.

1535
01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:09,400
Speaker 3: Would have been like, why did you take your foot off?

1536
01:20:09,400 --> 01:20:12,680
Speaker 2: The guests, yeah, you know what there would have been

1537
01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:16,200
Speaker 2: Emily would have had three hundred questions on why we

1538
01:20:16,240 --> 01:20:18,439
Speaker 2: stops on a bridge and I opened the truck.

1539
01:20:18,640 --> 01:20:23,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, not Joe, not Joe. Yeah. So a lot of

1540
01:20:23,240 --> 01:20:27,280
Speaker 1: people still like Dwayne Webber, but he's actually the FBI said, no,

1541
01:20:27,560 --> 01:20:31,519
Speaker 1: that's not the guy. We ruled him out with DNA. Right, Yes,

1542
01:20:32,240 --> 01:20:35,559
Speaker 1: the next guy is my guy, Kenny Christiansen Chuckers.

1543
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:36,439
Speaker 4: That's right.

1544
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:39,360
Speaker 2: He was a pretty well liked suspect for a while.

1545
01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:44,240
Speaker 2: He keeping with the series of family members outing their

1546
01:20:44,280 --> 01:20:45,320
Speaker 2: family as D. B.

1547
01:20:45,439 --> 01:20:45,759
Speaker 4: Cooper.

1548
01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:49,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, which actually supports the family motto that I was

1549
01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:51,160
Speaker 1: brought up with. Never trust family.

1550
01:20:53,040 --> 01:20:57,400
Speaker 2: It's a proud Clark tradition. So his brother lyle. Actually,

1551
01:20:57,960 --> 01:21:00,720
Speaker 2: this gets a little weird. He outed him as a

1552
01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:05,200
Speaker 2: suspect in an effort to get the screenwriter Nora Efron

1553
01:21:06,160 --> 01:21:11,559
Speaker 2: Sleepless in Seattle, Right, Yeah, didn't you see that coming.

1554
01:21:12,120 --> 01:21:14,000
Speaker 2: He tried to get Nora Efron to write a movie

1555
01:21:14,120 --> 01:21:17,720
Speaker 2: about TB. Cooper via his brother being the main suspect.

1556
01:21:18,040 --> 01:21:21,000
Speaker 2: And he, weirdly, I guess he didn't have an agent.

1557
01:21:21,240 --> 01:21:24,120
Speaker 2: He hired a private investigator to get him in touch

1558
01:21:24,160 --> 01:21:28,160
Speaker 2: with Nora Evron. Right, very strange. But he championed his

1559
01:21:28,200 --> 01:21:30,240
Speaker 2: own brother as the main suspect.

1560
01:21:29,880 --> 01:21:31,680
Speaker 3: Or out at him, that's another way to put it,

1561
01:21:31,720 --> 01:21:32,040
Speaker 3: for sure.

1562
01:21:32,160 --> 01:21:35,320
Speaker 1: Sure, And a guy named Jeoffrey Gray wrote a really

1563
01:21:35,400 --> 01:21:37,439
Speaker 1: great article in the New York Magazine if you guys

1564
01:21:37,439 --> 01:21:42,439
Speaker 1: are interested about this particular guy. But there's a lot

1565
01:21:42,479 --> 01:21:46,559
Speaker 1: of similarities between D. B. Cooper and Kenny Christiansen. For one,

1566
01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:49,120
Speaker 1: he looks a lot like him right off the bat.

1567
01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:52,640
Speaker 1: He was a purser for Northwest Orient Airlines. That's a

1568
01:21:52,640 --> 01:21:56,760
Speaker 1: big deal. Yeah, former paratrooper. Yeah, he was quiet. He

1569
01:21:56,840 --> 01:22:00,160
Speaker 1: smoked cigarettes, he drank bourbon, lived in the area where

1570
01:22:00,200 --> 01:22:02,679
Speaker 1: the hijacking took place, which is to say around here,

1571
01:22:03,320 --> 01:22:07,599
Speaker 1: and in I think twenty eleven, Jeoffrey Gray, the guy

1572
01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:10,120
Speaker 1: who wrote that New York Magazine article, got in touch

1573
01:22:10,160 --> 01:22:13,600
Speaker 1: with Florence Shaffner and said, what about this guy? And

1574
01:22:13,680 --> 01:22:16,639
Speaker 1: Florence Shafner said, I think you may be onto something here.

1575
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:21,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, And like Dwayne Weber, Kenny Christiansen, on his deathbed,

1576
01:22:22,640 --> 01:22:26,719
Speaker 2: tried to make a confession to his brother Lyle. He said,

1577
01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:29,080
Speaker 2: I have something really important to tell you, but I'm

1578
01:22:29,120 --> 01:22:31,760
Speaker 2: not sure if I can, if I can say this,

1579
01:22:32,479 --> 01:22:34,320
Speaker 2: and Lyle said, no, no, no, I don't want to

1580
01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:34,640
Speaker 2: hear it.

1581
01:22:37,400 --> 01:22:39,720
Speaker 1: Did you guys know that you can not hear a

1582
01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:40,840
Speaker 1: deathbed confession?

1583
01:22:41,479 --> 01:22:43,880
Speaker 2: Well, not only that, but I want nothing more than

1584
01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:45,360
Speaker 2: to hear a deathbed confession.

1585
01:22:46,160 --> 01:22:47,880
Speaker 4: I would be dying. I would be like, oh my god,

1586
01:22:48,080 --> 01:22:50,760
Speaker 4: a dish, Yes, what do you have to say? But

1587
01:22:50,840 --> 01:22:52,200
Speaker 4: he was like, no, no, no, no, I want to hear

1588
01:22:52,200 --> 01:22:53,960
Speaker 4: what you gotta say. Just go ahead and die.

1589
01:22:55,240 --> 01:22:58,000
Speaker 1: And then he laid on top of him yeah till

1590
01:22:58,040 --> 01:22:59,520
Speaker 1: he stopped scoring.

1591
01:22:59,640 --> 01:23:01,480
Speaker 4: Here the this pillow will make you comfortable.

1592
01:23:03,360 --> 01:23:05,320
Speaker 3: You sleep now, brother, what is.

1593
01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:09,320
Speaker 4: Going on with these people? Did you just do the

1594
01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:16,240
Speaker 4: Buffalo bill voice? No, okay, that was coincidental. Who else

1595
01:23:16,280 --> 01:23:18,880
Speaker 4: do we have? Ld? Cooper? Yeah, a little on the

1596
01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:20,880
Speaker 4: nose with the name.

1597
01:23:21,160 --> 01:23:22,400
Speaker 3: He lived in the area too.

1598
01:23:22,920 --> 01:23:25,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, And he was also outed by a family member,

1599
01:23:25,680 --> 01:23:27,920
Speaker 2: keeping with the Clark family tradition. Right this time it

1600
01:23:27,960 --> 01:23:30,880
Speaker 2: was his niece. And she said, you know what I remember.

1601
01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:32,960
Speaker 2: This is in twenty eleven. This is not too long ago.

1602
01:23:33,000 --> 01:23:36,640
Speaker 2: She said, you know what, I remember back in Thanksgiving

1603
01:23:36,720 --> 01:23:42,000
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy one, just like it was yesterday, and Uncle L. D.

1604
01:23:42,200 --> 01:23:44,200
Speaker 2: Showed up bruised and bleeding.

1605
01:23:45,439 --> 01:23:45,960
Speaker 4: For dinner.

1606
01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:50,080
Speaker 2: But he was euphoric, which was weird. And I'm just

1607
01:23:50,120 --> 01:23:51,200
Speaker 2: now mentioning this.

1608
01:23:51,360 --> 01:23:54,680
Speaker 1: All right. And she said, by the way, she had

1609
01:23:54,680 --> 01:23:56,440
Speaker 1: a book coming out simultaneously.

1610
01:23:56,680 --> 01:23:58,519
Speaker 3: She's everybody where.

1611
01:23:58,560 --> 01:24:00,840
Speaker 1: Did she say that she overheard because this is where

1612
01:24:00,880 --> 01:24:02,000
Speaker 1: she loses chucking me.

1613
01:24:02,160 --> 01:24:04,720
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, she said, he went to talk to he

1614
01:24:04,760 --> 01:24:06,160
Speaker 2: was my uncle and went to talk to my dad,

1615
01:24:06,160 --> 01:24:08,920
Speaker 2: and they were overheard them in the hallway say we

1616
01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:16,480
Speaker 2: did it. Our money problems are over. We hijacked the plane.

1617
01:24:18,439 --> 01:24:21,080
Speaker 2: The book by Simon and Schuster on sale now.

1618
01:24:22,439 --> 01:24:23,599
Speaker 3: At your local airport.

1619
01:24:25,320 --> 01:24:28,599
Speaker 2: But there were a few things. It wasn't totally out

1620
01:24:28,640 --> 01:24:30,639
Speaker 2: of the blue. He was an engineer at Boeing.

1621
01:24:30,840 --> 01:24:31,720
Speaker 3: No, his brother was.

1622
01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:33,320
Speaker 2: Oh, his brother was, Yeah, but they were in on

1623
01:24:33,360 --> 01:24:36,599
Speaker 2: it together. Sure, right, because we hijacked the plane. Right,

1624
01:24:37,320 --> 01:24:41,280
Speaker 2: he's a silent partner. And weirdly, he remember those Dan

1625
01:24:41,360 --> 01:24:43,599
Speaker 2: Cooper comment books. He was one of the ten people

1626
01:24:43,640 --> 01:24:45,720
Speaker 2: on the planet that was a fan of the Dan Cooper.

1627
01:24:45,880 --> 01:24:47,559
Speaker 4: That's a little weird, it's pretty good.

1628
01:24:47,840 --> 01:24:50,640
Speaker 1: The weird thing is is he didn't have any experienced skydiving,

1629
01:24:50,680 --> 01:24:52,679
Speaker 1: which a lot of people say, Oh, it's just too

1630
01:24:52,720 --> 01:24:55,519
Speaker 1: insane to think that somebody who never skydived before did

1631
01:24:55,560 --> 01:24:59,080
Speaker 1: their first sky dive during a heist out of A

1632
01:24:59,120 --> 01:25:03,400
Speaker 1: seven twenty seven. But the people who knew LD Cooper say, no,

1633
01:25:03,560 --> 01:25:05,960
Speaker 1: he was just crazy enough to do something like that.

1634
01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:09,600
Speaker 1: And you can make a case that that actually explains

1635
01:25:10,040 --> 01:25:11,920
Speaker 1: the choice of the dummy shoot.

1636
01:25:11,720 --> 01:25:13,880
Speaker 2: Tell you the truth, that's right, and the military shoot

1637
01:25:13,880 --> 01:25:17,439
Speaker 2: even Yeah, all right, So the legacy of dB Cooper

1638
01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:22,400
Speaker 2: to this day, the heist remains the only unsolved airline

1639
01:25:22,479 --> 01:25:23,519
Speaker 2: hijacking in the.

1640
01:25:23,479 --> 01:25:29,320
Speaker 1: History of the world in America. In America? Really are

1641
01:25:29,320 --> 01:25:33,559
Speaker 1: there other ones? Oh yeah, I'm only standing behind America.

1642
01:25:33,640 --> 01:25:36,400
Speaker 4: Oh okay, I gotcha. Yeah right.

1643
01:25:38,760 --> 01:25:40,960
Speaker 2: Every year, if you go to the Aerial Store in

1644
01:25:41,040 --> 01:25:44,080
Speaker 2: Tavern in Ariel, Washington, you can go to the dB

1645
01:25:44,200 --> 01:25:45,360
Speaker 2: Cooper Days Festival.

1646
01:25:45,640 --> 01:25:45,840
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1647
01:25:45,880 --> 01:25:47,519
Speaker 3: Have you guys? Has anyone ever been to that?

1648
01:25:48,160 --> 01:25:51,880
Speaker 2: We should all go. Let's go right now, we're going

1649
01:25:51,960 --> 01:25:55,360
Speaker 2: to meet up this Thanksgiving. You can win a dB

1650
01:25:55,479 --> 01:25:57,400
Speaker 2: Cooper Lookalike contest.

1651
01:25:57,120 --> 01:25:59,400
Speaker 1: If you look like Kevin Spacey yes.

1652
01:25:59,479 --> 01:26:04,719
Speaker 2: Or Charles Manson er Don Draper, which none of us do. Well,

1653
01:26:04,840 --> 01:26:05,760
Speaker 2: I'm talking about you and me.

1654
01:26:05,920 --> 01:26:07,120
Speaker 1: I look like Justin Bieber.

1655
01:26:17,160 --> 01:26:23,960
Speaker 2: I look like I ate Justin Bieber. I had to

1656
01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:27,320
Speaker 2: spit out my tooth. That's how I lost it.

1657
01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:29,880
Speaker 4: I broke it on Justin Bieber's bones.

1658
01:26:30,479 --> 01:26:31,559
Speaker 3: They're pliable though.

1659
01:26:33,080 --> 01:26:35,479
Speaker 2: You can go to that and when the contest. There

1660
01:26:35,600 --> 01:26:38,000
Speaker 2: have been songs over the years. There was that terrible movie.

1661
01:26:38,240 --> 01:26:42,520
Speaker 2: There have been countless TV reenactments and dramatizations.

1662
01:26:41,760 --> 01:26:43,120
Speaker 3: Unsolved mysteries, am I right?

1663
01:26:43,320 --> 01:26:44,639
Speaker 1: Yeah? Everybody see that one.

1664
01:26:44,680 --> 01:26:46,120
Speaker 4: You can watch that on the YouTube too.

1665
01:26:46,240 --> 01:26:46,439
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1666
01:26:47,160 --> 01:26:51,519
Speaker 2: And there are many many Cooperist websites, most notably one

1667
01:26:51,600 --> 01:26:53,599
Speaker 2: called drop zone dot com.

1668
01:26:53,800 --> 01:26:56,920
Speaker 1: And drop Zone actually used to be a recreational skydiving

1669
01:26:56,960 --> 01:27:01,600
Speaker 1: site until it got mostly taken over by dB Cooper ficionados.

1670
01:27:01,640 --> 01:27:02,880
Speaker 4: They hijacked the website.

1671
01:27:02,920 --> 01:27:05,479
Speaker 1: He did as a matter of fact, and this site

1672
01:27:05,760 --> 01:27:08,920
Speaker 1: is like so hot for Cooper sluice that a guy

1673
01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:11,760
Speaker 1: named Secret started posting on it and he seemed to

1674
01:27:11,800 --> 01:27:14,400
Speaker 1: have a lot of information about the DBI Cooper case

1675
01:27:14,439 --> 01:27:16,720
Speaker 1: that people didn't know about. And it turned out that

1676
01:27:16,720 --> 01:27:20,960
Speaker 1: these Cooper Sluice were so good they unmasked the Secret

1677
01:27:20,960 --> 01:27:24,000
Speaker 1: guy as the new agent in charge of the dB

1678
01:27:24,120 --> 01:27:28,519
Speaker 1: Cooper case, Larry Carr, who's posting secretly as Secret on

1679
01:27:28,600 --> 01:27:29,879
Speaker 1: the drop zone boards.

1680
01:27:30,200 --> 01:27:31,679
Speaker 3: That's how good these people are.

1681
01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:34,360
Speaker 4: He's like, no, I'm not, yes you are. No, I'm

1682
01:27:34,360 --> 01:27:36,320
Speaker 4: not yes you are. You are.

1683
01:27:38,280 --> 01:27:39,639
Speaker 1: He's like, okay, i am.

1684
01:27:40,040 --> 01:27:42,120
Speaker 2: You can go on YouTube, boy, you got a lot

1685
01:27:42,120 --> 01:27:44,400
Speaker 2: of YouTube and the night people. You can go on

1686
01:27:44,439 --> 01:27:47,080
Speaker 2: YouTube as well and look up Larry Carr. And for

1687
01:27:47,160 --> 01:27:49,200
Speaker 2: many many years they kept all this evidence sort of

1688
01:27:49,280 --> 01:27:51,840
Speaker 2: under wraps, and you can look up videos. Now Larry

1689
01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:54,040
Speaker 2: Carr said, you know what we should do the modern

1690
01:27:54,080 --> 01:27:56,559
Speaker 2: ages here we have the youtubes and we can let

1691
01:27:56,600 --> 01:27:59,439
Speaker 2: everyone see this evidence, even though I think it's kind

1692
01:27:59,479 --> 01:28:01,600
Speaker 2: of funny that the FBI's official things like, no, he

1693
01:28:01,680 --> 01:28:04,760
Speaker 2: totally died, right, No one told Larry car that. No,

1694
01:28:05,439 --> 01:28:08,519
Speaker 2: you know, because he's let's make a YouTube video. Let's

1695
01:28:08,560 --> 01:28:10,400
Speaker 2: show everyone the skinny tie.

1696
01:28:10,439 --> 01:28:11,760
Speaker 3: All the kids are into it now.

1697
01:28:12,479 --> 01:28:13,639
Speaker 4: He shows the clip on tie.

1698
01:28:13,640 --> 01:28:15,120
Speaker 2: You can see all the you can see the money,

1699
01:28:15,320 --> 01:28:19,439
Speaker 2: the clip on tie, all this evidence, hoping for a.

1700
01:28:19,439 --> 01:28:23,080
Speaker 1: Lead, and he oversaw DNA evidence actually being removed from

1701
01:28:23,080 --> 01:28:26,320
Speaker 1: the tie. They found three people's profiles. They also found

1702
01:28:26,560 --> 01:28:31,479
Speaker 1: and we don't even know but pure titanium and impatience Pallen.

1703
01:28:32,520 --> 01:28:34,920
Speaker 1: Hopefully that will eventually crack the case. But it made

1704
01:28:34,920 --> 01:28:38,519
Speaker 1: everybody just be like, what we thought we had a

1705
01:28:38,520 --> 01:28:41,880
Speaker 1: handle on this. Impatience Pallen, where did that come from?

1706
01:28:43,040 --> 01:28:44,840
Speaker 4: So bring us home, my friend.

1707
01:28:45,200 --> 01:28:45,639
Speaker 3: Thank you.

1708
01:28:45,720 --> 01:28:50,280
Speaker 1: The Cooper heist it changed America forever, right, dbe Cooper's

1709
01:28:50,320 --> 01:28:53,719
Speaker 1: the reason we all started walking through metal detector shortly afterward,

1710
01:28:54,080 --> 01:28:54,719
Speaker 1: He's the reason.

1711
01:28:54,760 --> 01:28:55,519
Speaker 3: Seriously, He's the.

1712
01:28:55,479 --> 01:28:58,240
Speaker 1: Reason that the airlines were given the right to search

1713
01:28:58,280 --> 01:29:00,880
Speaker 1: your bags before you get on one of their planes,

1714
01:29:03,000 --> 01:29:07,320
Speaker 1: and they apparently reinstituted the death penalty for hijacking. I

1715
01:29:07,320 --> 01:29:09,599
Speaker 1: don't know when they took it off. Was it like

1716
01:29:10,080 --> 01:29:13,120
Speaker 1: sea ships being hijacked? And then have no idea? I

1717
01:29:13,120 --> 01:29:13,599
Speaker 1: don't either.

1718
01:29:14,120 --> 01:29:14,360
Speaker 3: But the.

1719
01:29:16,640 --> 01:29:19,320
Speaker 1: I think the coolest outcome of this whole thing was

1720
01:29:19,360 --> 01:29:21,519
Speaker 1: if you look at a Boeing seven twenty seven, they

1721
01:29:21,560 --> 01:29:24,479
Speaker 1: still make them airplane. If you look at that aft

1722
01:29:24,560 --> 01:29:27,960
Speaker 1: staircase in the back, there's a white paddle that holds

1723
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:31,519
Speaker 1: the stairs closed. Pretty smart. You can't open the aft

1724
01:29:31,520 --> 01:29:36,280
Speaker 1: staircase mid flight because you have to go outside and

1725
01:29:36,479 --> 01:29:39,280
Speaker 1: pull the paddle down and then the aft staircase will open.

1726
01:29:39,840 --> 01:29:42,920
Speaker 1: And it's a pretty smart, easy solution to a pretty

1727
01:29:42,920 --> 01:29:46,000
Speaker 1: complex case. And they call that little white paddle a

1728
01:29:46,080 --> 01:29:46,680
Speaker 1: Cooper vein.

1729
01:29:48,200 --> 01:29:51,040
Speaker 2: That's right, and that is the story of dB Cooper,

1730
01:29:51,280 --> 01:29:53,200
Speaker 2: and that is our show.

1731
01:29:56,840 --> 01:29:59,120
Speaker 1: Good Night Seattle, good night everyone.

1732
01:29:59,200 --> 01:30:00,200
Speaker 3: Thank you m

1733
01:30:18,800 --> 01:30:21,360
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