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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Hello,

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Speaker 1: and welcome back to the show. My name is Mac,

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Speaker 1: my name is Nold Baby Skeletons brand. They call me Ben.

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Speaker 1: We are with our super producer Paul Decent and you

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Speaker 1: are you that makes this stuff they don't want you

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Speaker 1: to know. Let's get morbid from the jump. Why I

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Speaker 1: was trying to do that with my nick preface. I

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Speaker 1: like it. I like it. I think it's a good nickname. Yep.

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Speaker 1: Well that's the thing. It'll hit you sometimes. Um, we

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Speaker 1: don't know what environment and find yourself in while you're

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Speaker 1: listening to this. But if there are other people around,

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Speaker 1: are you know, essentially they're they're like, uh, their flesh

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Speaker 1: and their organs and their eyes and their muscles and expressions.

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Speaker 1: It's all like painting over a house, and that house

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Speaker 1: skeleton smugglers. And then really, the next time you talk

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Speaker 1: or move your hands, just think about it. Really, think

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Speaker 1: about your jaw and your teeth and how it's connected up.

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Speaker 1: I promise it won't get weird. You'll be fine. The

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Speaker 1: a very strange skeleton, and that's good because that pertains

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Speaker 1: to this episode. Right, we've examined stories of strange cadavers

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Speaker 1: and ancient artifacts and past episodes and long time listeners

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Speaker 1: you may recall the work we've done on legends of giants, allegations,

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Speaker 1: alien artifacts, and lost civilizations right multiple times. No, we

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Speaker 1: don't forget the video series on early Man, Dennis Ovans,

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Speaker 1: Neanderthal's Hobbits and so on. We've covered a lot of

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Speaker 1: this stuff in the past, even aliens. No way, not

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Speaker 1: us a couple of times. Well, today we are uh,

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Speaker 1: not restoring. We're exploring bizarre skeletons, skulls, and other remains,

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Speaker 1: physical relics that, according to some people, proved there's much

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Speaker 1: we're going to kind of do a bit of a

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Speaker 1: grabby bag of sorts today, right, Yeah, definitely a grabby bag,

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Speaker 1: grizzly grab bag, grizzly, grabby bag grim Goldatha, which does

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Speaker 1: the etymologically that word originally meant place of bones, a

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Speaker 1: place of skulls? Yeah, is that where Goth comes from?

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Speaker 1: And that's probably the visi Goths. I'd be interested. I

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Speaker 1: don't know enough about Goth and we should, we should

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Speaker 1: you're listening to this, more power to you. Let us know.

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Speaker 1: It all goes back to Bauhaus and bell legos He

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Speaker 1: is dead and that's all I know. That's very true.

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Speaker 1: And uh like Bella Legosie. Many artifacts also have some

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Speaker 1: to them. But today we ask how many of these

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Speaker 1: of these stories true? It's possible. Let's dig in every day,

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Speaker 1: so so at institutions across across the world, the entire globe,

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Speaker 1: And there's a good news bad news scenario here. Let's

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Speaker 1: I think we've given a super producer, Paul, some stuff

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Speaker 1: What do you think good news? It feels good to me? Hey? Uh,

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Speaker 1: that's I'm trying to imagine building the structures they built

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00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 1: without any kind of system like that. But I guess,

425
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:48,639
Speaker 1: you know, okay, possible, because it feels incorrect to me.

426
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 1: And it's weird that when I was a kid, a

427
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 1: teacher told me that. Yeah, teachers have told me a

428
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 1: lot of things, especially in middle school that I've come

429
00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 1: to find. No, no, no, no, What did they tell

430
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: you about the Paracas skulls? Man? Well, I had one

431
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 1: teacher it told me about them. Um, we're just gonna

432
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 1: call her Mrs Bliss, Miss Bliss, uh from like a

433
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: Judy Bloom book or something. I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty

434
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:21,919
Speaker 1: sure that's saved by the bell. But but they were found.

435
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,640
Speaker 1: Did you see? Paul was getting ready. He was not

436
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 1: going to let that slide. Um, It's okay. The Paracas

437
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,959
Speaker 1: skulls were found in Peru. They created all kinds of

438
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:36,439
Speaker 1: waves throughout the internets in the world. In after this

439
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: geneticist undertook the preliminary or like the first DNA testing

440
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 1: on these and he reported some unknown results. And this

441
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 1: is reported by a gentleman uh calls himself Brian Forrester

442
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 1: and his name because that's what his parents called him,

443
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 1: or who you know, whoever named him? Uh. And so

444
00:28:55,800 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 1: he allegedly found these skulls had mitochondrial DNA with mutations

445
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 1: unknown in any human primate or animal known so far. Um. Well,

446
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: that that turned out not to be the case at all.

447
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: The story about mystery DNA simply didn't hold up to

448
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 1: some more cursory examination. Yeah, that's the thing. So a

449
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 1: lot of people were skeptical when Forrester introduced these claims

450
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 1: because he had a reputation the scientific community as being

451
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 1: somewhat unreliable or a bit of a sensationalist. To be clear,

452
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 1: neither Matt nor nor or I have spoken with Forster. No, uh,

453
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: we we should say that the skulls in question, these

454
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 1: procts skulls, they they're elongated. Okay, so they do look

455
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: strange if you're looking at one of these, Um, it's

456
00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: the top of the skull from essentially the eyes upward

457
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 1: goes out into a cone. It's a cone head. It's

458
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,239
Speaker 1: a yeah, it's a conical shape. It's similar in some

459
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 1: ways to the way you you see a gorilla's head.

460
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 1: The Simian shape of it goes up at the back.

461
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 1: But but even further and um more pointy, cone headed

462
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: and lean him back. It is not the cone cone heads.

463
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 1: But but maybe that's an homage. Maybe that's what dan

464
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 1: Ackroyd was really going for. You know, perhaps that is

465
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 1: you know, he's our type of person. He's a full

466
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 1: time uphologist now or he's heavily interesting. Yes, so yeah, okay,

467
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 1: So they said that the DNA is screwy and not

468
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 1: entirely human. Uh. The problem with this, and this is

469
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 1: a totally understandable thing to believe, but the issue with

470
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 1: that is the following, Uh, DNA has an expiration date.

471
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 1: DNA is also organic matter, and as Matt mentioned earlier,

472
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 1: organic matter decays, so there can also there can be

473
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: decaying DNA, but there can also be cases where the

474
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 1: DNA is somehow contaminated, not on purpose, just sort of

475
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: things happen scenario, right, And now this means that we

476
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: have to be able to separate between whether whether there's

477
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: something alien extraterrestrial somewhere locked away in the genetic code,

478
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 1: you know, and that's a show for a different day,

479
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: or whether there was something in the methodology yes, that

480
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: poisoned it. And in this case, we have a pretty

481
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 1: solid understanding of what was happening to create these skull shapes, right, Yeah, absolutely,

482
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 1: the these elongated skulls were probably, let's say absolutely most

483
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: likely created by binding, which is this this ancient practice

484
00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:01,479
Speaker 1: where civilizations would purposefully change the shape of their skull

485
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: to several you know, their varying versions of this, but

486
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: the most common one that you can find is this

487
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: elongated skull by actually binding it as it's growing. It's

488
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: like it's like an extreme version of like foot binding

489
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 1: and in Asian cultures. Yeah, but in this case it's well,

490
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: I guess kind of the same as foot binding in

491
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: a way that served of featuring something that is growing

492
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 1: in order to make it take a certain shape. Yes,

493
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: the foot binding is for a largely sexual purpose. This

494
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 1: is for like almost to show not royalty, but like

495
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 1: there there's a social status that was associated a lot

496
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: of times with this head binding. Right. We still don't

497
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: know entirely why this occurred. We know how they did

498
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 1: it with a good guess, but it is it is

499
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: fair to point out a mystery remains because maybe, you

500
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 1: know what, call us just a bunch of know nothings

501
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: from twenty seventeen. But if somebody proposed that we try

502
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 1: something like that with with our own kids or something

503
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: that that'd be kind of weird. Yeah, I wouldn't want

504
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: to do that. And who knows what effect it has

505
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: on the brain as it's being developed and all that,

506
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: especially if you're doing it at such a young age

507
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: as these, you know, as the skull itself is growing.

508
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to mess with that. And then we

509
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: have another example, the Atacama skeleton. This is this is

510
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: a really weird one. This is probably the one that

511
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: gets to me, you know. Yeah, we we have the

512
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 1: gentleman on our show, Dr Stephen Greer, who at least

513
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: introduced me to this subject with a documentary film that

514
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 1: he made. Um, it's a fascinating story. And this is

515
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 1: in particular where we get to the point where there

516
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: are still some questions that I have that I want

517
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: answered before I can make any kind of judgment call

518
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: on what I believe this thing is. It's it's really

519
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: it's really cool in my opinion. So okay, I don't

520
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: remember whether whether he spoke about this one in our

521
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 1: previous interview with him for Awn Acknowledge. Oh no, no,

522
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 1: in the interview he does not address, at least not

523
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 1: in in length. But he was the previous documentary they

524
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 1: would make that he had made before the one he

525
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: came to talk to us about. Nor can you give

526
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: us the skinny on this skeleton? The skeleton skinny? Oh man,

527
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 1: because skeletons are skinny. I'm a dummy. That's great, Okay.

528
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: So in two thousands three, in a deserted town in Chile,

529
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 1: um located in the Atacama Desert, a six inch long

530
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:43,720
Speaker 1: uh skeleton or portion of skeletal human remains was found

531
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 1: and according to a local newspaper ben I believe they

532
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:51,320
Speaker 1: gave it a name, isn't that right? And was found

533
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: in northern Chile by a man by the name of

534
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: Oscar Munos, who later sold the remains to a Spanish

535
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: businessman by the name of Ramon Navia Osoria. That was yeah, yeah.

536
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: So here is a little snippet from I f L

537
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: Science Um a great blog, and you know the i

538
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: f L stands for I Flipping Love It, I Flipping

539
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 1: Love Science Family Show. They went into how the skeleton

540
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: um was part of a private collection until oh nine,

541
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: and at that time was brought to a symposium in

542
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 1: Spain in Barcelona, and then in a group of scientists

543
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 1: had the chance to study this skeleton at length and

544
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 1: they used X rays, cat scans and took genetic samples

545
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 1: as well. Uh and the results showed that the chest

546
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 1: cavity of Atta actually still had um what appeared to

547
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 1: be the remains of lungs and also a heart and

548
00:35:55,640 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 1: exactly a heart and lungs inside this skeleton. Now really fast, Um,

549
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 1: if we pull up a picture of this and we

550
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:03,879
Speaker 1: take a look at it, you can you can get

551
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 1: a better idea of kind of what they were working with.

552
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: So we Norman, you mentioned that it's a six inch

553
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 1: long skeleton, and it looks like a fully formed human skeleton,

554
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: everything from the footbones all the way up to the

555
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,240
Speaker 1: top of the skull, including the arms and the hands,

556
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 1: the ribs, everything. That's where my nickname came from. No

557
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 1: old baby skeleton brown. Ah ha, there we are. Well,

558
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: as we'll find out, perhaps it wasn't a baby, but

559
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 1: it was still a baby skeleton. It was, yes, a

560
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: tiny skeletons got it so U it was originally this

561
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 1: skeleton auto was thought to be ancient. But this testing

562
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 1: that they were doing at this time found that the

563
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: remains were only a few decades old, um, and they

564
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: were entirely human. But there was some weird stuff that

565
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: went on with this genetic testing because ten nine to

566
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: ten of the DNA came back as not human. But

567
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:07,879
Speaker 1: there's an explanation for that. Um, it's kind of weird.

568
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 1: But because you think ten of this was not human,

569
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 1: what in the heck could that be? But that just

570
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: has to do with uh. With the DNA has been

571
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 1: said earlier, it degrades over time. And also there's a

572
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 1: certain percentage of error that you're going to get when

573
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: you're doing DNA testing. UM, And there I guess it's

574
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 1: also has to do things that I don't understand. The

575
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 1: entire genome when it's being tested. There's certain parts that

576
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 1: sometimes will fall off the test. This segment, Yeah, it

577
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 1: gets a little weird and again beyond my pay grade. Um,

578
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: But the results of you know, roughly being human are

579
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: well within the expected parameters for contamination and degradation of

580
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: DNA and so entirely human fetus, but so tiny to

581
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 1: be so formed in the way it is. You know,

582
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 1: to most rivers, Atta appears to be a fetus. People

583
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: would say, maybe died prematurely, Maybe was born prematurely and

584
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: died shortly thereafter. However, to Matt's point, uh, the same

585
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 1: scientific analysis says that there were mature teeth present in

586
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 1: the mouth and the bones were well developed, with the

587
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: leg bones showing growth plates that you would expect to

588
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:24,240
Speaker 1: see in a child of the age between six to eight.

589
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: And that's also from that i f L Science article.

590
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 1: And it goes on. While the testing did provide answers,

591
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 1: it also raised many more questions. How could a six

592
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: year old child only be six inches long? And at

593
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: this point we still do not know. We don't just

594
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,879
Speaker 1: mean Matt, noelan Ben don't know, We mean no one.

595
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 1: No one is completely sure. Yeah, and it's hard to imagine.

596
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 1: Can you imagine when you look at a picture of

597
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 1: this thing, imagine it walking around and before it was

598
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 1: this large, after six to eight years it was smaller.

599
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 1: In fact, let's take a break, go check this out.

600
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,240
Speaker 1: If you're as long as you're not driving or something,

601
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: go check out a photo of this and tell us

602
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:15,760
Speaker 1: what you think after a word from our sponsors. Okay,

603
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,240
Speaker 1: just a few more examples. I feel like we should

604
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: laundry list some of these. Uh. I have one thing

605
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: in the notes titled in those days there were giants

606
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 1: because that's such a dramatic phrase. You use that line

607
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: in one of the radio plays we did, Yeah, Yeah, yeah, Creepy,

608
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:36,399
Speaker 1: the Creepy Demon monologue revealing his diabolical plot. There were

609
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: giants in those days? Okay, Yes, I am in love

610
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: with that phrase. Uh. And it's it's quite dramatic, but

611
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,439
Speaker 1: we say it because it's cool phrase. And we also

612
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: say it because we want to recap our the thing

613
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 1: about ancient giants, right could cover up in which you

614
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 1: have heard mentioned on our show before. The idea is

615
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 1: that throughout human history, from the ancient days to well

616
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: within the past hundred and fifty years, civilizations around the

617
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 1: world have been discovering the skulls and skeletons of giants.

618
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 1: We're talking people who are nine twelve feet tall, you know,

619
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 1: well outside the bounds of what would be expected. People

620
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 1: who believe this story point to photographs that appeared in

621
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: various newspapers of note around the time, or were claimed

622
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 1: to appear in those newspapers, and proponents of this stuff

623
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:26,240
Speaker 1: also believe the world's museums are part of a cabal

624
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,879
Speaker 1: that is purposely buying up these remains and suppressing them

625
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 1: or storing them or destroying them. And critics point out

626
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:36,839
Speaker 1: that a lot of the alleged photographs that you would

627
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 1: find in these newspapers and ones that you'll find now

628
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 1: online are doctored in some way or photoshopped. And I

629
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 1: can verify that several of the images that I have

630
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:50,760
Speaker 1: found on my personal Facebook feed because of people and

631
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: you know pages that I follow, are most certainly the

632
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 1: works of image manipulation. You can see that there's been

633
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 1: resizing and uh positing of different images. In a lot

634
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 1: of these. You can see the edges where it's been

635
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: cut out. You can see where there should be shadows

636
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: but there aren't, where the shadows don't match up. Um. Yeah,

637
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: it's an unfortunate truth, but it's the truth, right. And

638
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 1: it's also tough to imagine that if the world is

639
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 1: littered with giant skeletons, some organization could keep it completely

640
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: secret from everyone. Literally. That's that's that's a big secret.

641
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: It's literally dozens of big secrets, the giant secrets. I

642
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 1: had us all down on that when there was Also

643
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 1: you may have heard of a three fingered mummy. This

644
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 1: was I had not heard of this. This was mentioned

645
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 1: through anout fit called Gaya TV, and they presented it

646
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 1: in sort of history channel ancient Aliens way, like, I'm

647
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 1: not saying it was aliens. This is definitely an alien.

648
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: I'm there saying it's an alien, but it's definitely an alien. Alien.

649
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: But it's not an alien, right, but his hand I

650
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: might be an Yeah, this is most likely another hoax,

651
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 1: because apparently Guya has been accused of hoaxing or misrepresenting

652
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:15,240
Speaker 1: things in the past. However, we are not we haven't

653
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 1: spoken with the people a Guy, and I'm not very

654
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,879
Speaker 1: familiar with their work. These are just criticisms I've read,

655
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 1: and it may be possible that those criticisms are subjective

656
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: or not true. I just I just want to be fair.

657
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 1: I don't I don't want to hate on guy too much.

658
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 1: But I've definitely seen some things that they've published that

659
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 1: are bogus. You've seen some things, Okay, the last one

660
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 1: maybe is the well one of the last ones is

661
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 1: the Kishtim dwarf. Small human fetus known as Alyoshenka was

662
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,359
Speaker 1: found by an elderly woman in Russia. It had an

663
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,320
Speaker 1: unusual appearance and it gave rise to rumors and extra

664
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 1: terrestrial or origin. Local population supported the rumors and they

665
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 1: would charge reporters for interviews. Least two Japanese companies made

666
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: documentaries about it in April of two thousand and four.

667
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 1: Scientists who studied this these remains said it was a

668
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 1: premature female human infant with severe deformities. Other eyewitnesses said, no,

669
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 1: deformities can't explain this. There are too many, especially deformities

670
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 1: in the skull. They said it wasn't a hoax. It

671
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: was a genuine mummified body that was once living tissue.

672
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: But the argument was, you know, some people just didn't

673
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 1: want to walk away from the idea that this was

674
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 1: extraterrestrial and was a cover up. But right now, the

675
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,720
Speaker 1: best guest for this, and there's not a whole bunch

676
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: uh stuff written about this discovery in English, but the

677
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,959
Speaker 1: best guess is that it may be attributed to something

678
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,320
Speaker 1: called the nineteen fifty seven kished Um disaster, which I

679
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 1: had never heard of and I feel ashamed for not

680
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: knowing about this. Shame for shame, Ben, but you know,

681
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 1: for shame on all of us week. We had to

682
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 1: look it up. And as it turns out, there was

683
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 1: a radioactive contamination incident that occurred on the twenty nine

684
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 1: September in n at Mayak, which is a plutonium production

685
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:10,760
Speaker 1: site in Russia for nuclear weapons and also nuclear fuel

686
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: reprocessing for the Soviet Union. And it measured as a

687
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 1: level six disaster on the International Nuclear Event Scale or INEZ,

688
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 1: that's how I'm gonna choose to say it, uh, and

689
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 1: it made it the third most serious nuclear accident ever recorded,

690
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: behind the Fukushima Dai nuclear disaster and the Chernobyl disaster.

691
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: I just want to take a tiny little sidebar um Paul,

692
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 1: superproducer Paul, and myself and the super producer Alex and

693
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 1: super producer Tristan all went and saw this movie Stalker,

694
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 1: this Tarkovski film, and it was all shot in and

695
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:51,720
Speaker 1: around these Russian nuclear sites, and it is some bleak,

696
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 1: bleak stuff. It's a really excellent film, quite uh cerebral

697
00:44:56,440 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 1: and um plotting and very drony, but very much worthier time.

698
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 1: I would check out if only for just the visuals

699
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: of like these sites. And as it turns out, it's

700
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 1: a filmmaker and a couple of the members of the

701
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 1: crew died from radiation radiation later in life, circumstances pretty

702
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: well associated with them splashing around in these uh these

703
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 1: super fun site like ponds. Was this recent? Was this

704
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: still in the theater? Then he came out, it came out,

705
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 1: so it was probably made in like you know, sent

706
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 1: actually was made three times. That's a whole another story.

707
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,919
Speaker 1: But yeah, anyway, I was actually a fan of There's

708
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 1: a video game series called Stalker. There were a couple

709
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 1: of them. One of them is called Stalker Shadows of Chernobyl,

710
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 1: and it feels very different or very similar to that,

711
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 1: but I wonder if it's actually a completely different. Well,

712
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 1: the character the Stalker in the film is like his

713
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: whole deal as he guides people through. These sites in

714
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 1: the film have a supernatural connotation. But anyway, sidebar, I

715
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 1: just really really enjoyed the film and it made me

716
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 1: think of some of the scenes and it's good for

717
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 1: people to see, well maybe not good, but it's important

718
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 1: for people to see the level of destruction and the

719
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 1: level of lasting effect. These sorts of technologies can have

720
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: upon the world, especially on children who are being born right,

721
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 1: and not to mention animals right or plant life. And

722
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 1: we know that this stuff lasts. And as much as

723
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: we would like to pretend that we exist in our

724
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 1: own islands, everything is eventually connected, you know what I mean.

725
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: A disaster from one place, if it's big enough, as

726
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: a disaster everywhere. There was one more thing I found

727
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 1: that it was interesting. It's a bit of a bit

728
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: of a crime story, and this is the last one

729
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: I have. I started looking at mass graves of ordinary

730
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: skeletons who met extraordinary ends. I found one in a

731
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: state in India, Utarkand at an altitude of about sixteen

732
00:46:56,600 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 1: thousand feet in the Himalayas, someone found as many six

733
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 1: hundred skeletons buried in a place called rupe Kunn's Lake

734
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 1: or Skeleton Lake. They date from either the ninth century

735
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 1: to the fifteenth century, and the local community had a

736
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 1: legend about this. They said. The remains include those of

737
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 1: King Jazz the Wall because it was disobedient during a

738
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 1: pilgrimage and with his wife, the queen and his royal entourage,

739
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 1: and this angered the Hindu goddess Mata, so to gain revenge,

740
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:29,720
Speaker 1: she in a local deity named Latu, created thunderstorms and avalanches,

741
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: reigning gigantic stones on the king and his army. And

742
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 1: it turns out the legend might contain a grain of

743
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: truth because the scientists say it's possible the skeletons cracked

744
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: skulls were all struck by stones, hailstones, and that they

745
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 1: died in a blizzard or other natural catastrophe. Wow. Not

746
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 1: the best way to go. Yeah, not the best way

747
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 1: to go at all, and maybe not a legend at all,

748
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 1: but we see how the legend gets built off of it.

749
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: You know, I think it's really important to know that

750
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 1: most legends art from a grain of truth. Right, So

751
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: it's the pearl inside the clam. I love that. That's

752
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 1: very Are you secretly auditioning for a Disney movie Pixar

753
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 1: character that I can see you? Yeah, I inde. I

754
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:23,320
Speaker 1: love it. I don't want to cut you off, but please.

755
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 1: The last one that I just wanted to mention here,

756
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 1: and I'm not even really going to get into it

757
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: all the way, but I think you should look up

758
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 1: a place called little More Priory. Little More is one word,

759
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 1: little more is one word. Yes, and it was a

760
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 1: priory church that also what is the what not in

761
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 1: a nunnery? What is the is that a priory the

762
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:50,479
Speaker 1: place where nuns convent, maybe a convent of sorts, where

763
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,760
Speaker 1: there were a lot of nuns who lived in this area.

764
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 1: And this is in Yeah, it's a small it's specifically

765
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 1: a smaller one and it's run by prioress. Prioress, that's exactly.

766
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 1: That's where that word came from. Okay um, So this

767
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 1: place in the fifteen hundreds, apparently there was some strange

768
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 1: stuff going on with the prioress, the person who ran

769
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 1: this joint, and the nuns who were in there. There

770
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 1: was some misdeeds, let's say, in the eyes of the

771
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 1: people who were in charge of it. There's some serious

772
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:26,839
Speaker 1: sinning who was occurring. Believe the bishop shut it down.

773
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: The bishop did shut it down. But they're ninety two women.

774
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 1: The remains of ninety two humans, most of them women

775
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 1: and some children were found buried here and unceremoniously. Some

776
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 1: of them were faced down. One was buried with a

777
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 1: child appeared to be an unborn child or you know,

778
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 1: a child that was born and deceased. And yes, and

779
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 1: then several other women who were prostrate on the ground

780
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 1: which appeared to be maybe which is and there's this

781
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 1: whole series of strange stuff that went on with all

782
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 1: of these deaths and or you know, skeletons buried face

783
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 1: down an unconsecrated ground. Very very strange that those are

784
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 1: the usual signs I recognize, at least that's how they

785
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 1: usually put me in. Okay, yeah, well whatever, anybody's got

786
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 1: to roll over. I don't know why everybody thinks that's

787
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 1: gonna work. Anyway, look up a little more priority. There's

788
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 1: more to it. Uh, there's more to it, but just

789
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: check it out. And we're uh, we're getting the signal

790
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:35,839
Speaker 1: from ourselves. We've been thinking about mortality for a while now,

791
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 1: so we're going to go, uh, we're going to venture

792
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 1: off and we're going to ask for your help because

793
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 1: we know that there are multiple other stories like this,

794
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:51,479
Speaker 1: and we are actually having we're actually having a really

795
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 1: interesting time tracing any possible explanations for this. So, for example,

796
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 1: I don't we didn't have time to put it in

797
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 1: the show today, but there are a bunch of of

798
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: red haired mummies in uh strange places where you wouldn't

799
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:09,479
Speaker 1: expect to find a red haired mummy, right uh. And

800
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 1: one of the explanations for that would be that the

801
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 1: sunlight transforms the hair, turns the hair red. And then

802
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 1: there are other people who say, no, no, no, that's

803
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 1: not good enough. What are these red haired people doing

804
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:24,879
Speaker 1: in this part of the world, with red hair being

805
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 1: relatively rare trait. So we have just dipped our We

806
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 1: have dipped our conceptual fokasha just a little bit into

807
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 1: the olive oil sauce of mystery. Oh not all these

808
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 1: comparisons are gonna work. Uh. In conclusion, it appears the

809
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 1: most famous cases of mysterious skulls can be largely explained

810
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 1: by mundane causes such as genetic disorder, injury, hoaxes, or,

811
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 1: in the case of pracas uh, purposeful deformation for cultural purposes.

812
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:00,800
Speaker 1: And you know, in that one case, there's a pretty

813
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 1: compelling argument for freak meteorological occurrences. But also those skeletons,

814
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 1: other than their grizzly strange death are perfectly normal. And

815
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 1: I feel like I have to make a point about

816
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 1: coaxing here. Sure, there are loads of individuals who claim

817
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:20,320
Speaker 1: they've discovered something unusual, only for it later to be proven,

818
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 1: you know, not to be an alien or not to

819
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:26,840
Speaker 1: be an extraterrestrial or Nephel Nephelim or whatever. But that

820
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 1: does not automatically mean they are con artists, and they

821
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 1: may genuinely believe what they have discovered, and so it

822
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 1: would be unfair for us to automatically ascribe some kind

823
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 1: of motive or internal motivation to these people. Oh yeah, absolutely.

824
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 1: If if I was the person who came across that

825
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 1: Autocoma skeleton, I would absolutely think there was something strange

826
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 1: going on and wanted to be tested immediately. Let's go

827
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 1: right now and let's get this thing tested. Um yeah, absolutely,

828
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 1: And a lot of these examples, I would the star

829
00:52:57,600 --> 00:52:59,799
Speaker 1: child skull. I would also want to look into that.

830
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:03,319
Speaker 1: If you know, I didn't have an understanding of some

831
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 1: of the human genetic deformations that occur that I have now,

832
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm, you know, lucky to have that information

833
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:14,320
Speaker 1: in my life. Well said Matt. Well said indeed, And

834
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:18,479
Speaker 1: I am inspired by that, and I follow your lead

835
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,280
Speaker 1: in these sorts of things because I'm inspired by you two.

836
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 1: Oh boy, well, we're both inspired by nol. Who do

837
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 1: I get to be inspired by? Oh wait, I am

838
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 1: inspire me daily. Oh stop it, oh man, we're having

839
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 1: an inspira thon again and aspire off and inspire off

840
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:40,800
Speaker 1: and uh Paul nodded, He's eaty in a sandwich or

841
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 1: something really good salad too. I'm hungry, all right, Yes,

842
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 1: So we are off to uh, we are off to

843
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 1: feed our skeletons, hungry for the truth, hungry for the truth. Yes, no, indeed,

844
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:59,240
Speaker 1: and dried cranberries and dried cranberries and Philly cheese steaks

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Speaker 1: and all all the all the beautiful things about staying alive.

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Speaker 1: So we're we're going to head off, but never fear,

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Speaker 1: we will be back uh next week. I do want

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Speaker 1: to give a shout out to the Mysteries of the

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Speaker 1: Unknown Time Life book series, because they have a test

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Speaker 1: descended from an alien hybrid and if there's any interest,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure that Time Life will be okay with us.

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Speaker 1: Maybe we could quiz each other one day and read

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Speaker 1: the questions. It's it's stuff like do you like thunderstorms?

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Speaker 1: Do you have extravertebrae? And it shows you how to

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Speaker 1: account them. It's weird, but we'll we'll check it out.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure if you enjoy this show, you are you're

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Speaker 1: probably aware of that Time Life book series in the meantime.

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