WEBVTT - The Longevinauts 0:00:10.200 --> 0:00:15.600 Warning, Despite Mangessa's grandmother's greatest wish, he is one not 0:00:15.800 --> 0:00:18.840 a doctor, and nothing in this episode should count as 0:00:18.880 --> 0:00:23.840 medical advice. You will, however, hear about looks maxing colonialism, 0:00:24.200 --> 0:00:26.479 and there will be references to the Golden Girls and 0:00:26.560 --> 0:00:29.440 the Odyssey. There will also be disclosure of one or 0:00:29.480 --> 0:00:33.640 more annoying astrological predictions, as well as adult language and 0:00:33.840 --> 0:00:37.560 mention of suicide, So sensitive listeners take care. 0:00:50.400 --> 0:00:51.960 Oh my god, Cliver. 0:00:51.920 --> 0:00:59.279 Yes, I'm gonna live twice. I'm mongaish and I am 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:02.160 so happy here. I've had a heck of a year. 0:01:02.280 --> 0:01:06.039 So let me catch you up real quick. Anna, would 0:01:06.080 --> 0:01:13.080 you pull up the deck? Scun Valley loves a deck 0:01:13.240 --> 0:01:19.240 like this. This is a show about longevity. These are 0:01:19.240 --> 0:01:23.200 some things I heard over and over again. We can 0:01:23.240 --> 0:01:25.720 still be doing a triathlon at ninety, here, hundred. 0:01:25.959 --> 0:01:30.600 The maximum lifespan just keeps increasing faster than you age, 0:01:30.920 --> 0:01:34.280 and then somebody figures out how to stop us from 0:01:34.319 --> 0:01:35.120 dying permanently. 0:01:35.440 --> 0:01:38.800 Longevity sort of feels like this rarefied you know, tech 0:01:38.959 --> 0:01:43.440 pro brainchild of the already wealthy, already healthy individuals that 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:46.480 somewhat selfishly want to live in extra A few decades. 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:50.320 I think death is a great evil, and I think 0:01:50.360 --> 0:01:53.000 it takes people away from us way too soon. See, 0:01:53.320 --> 0:01:57.480 everyone wants to live forever. This is me as a 0:01:57.560 --> 0:01:59.080 kid reading. 0:01:58.800 --> 0:01:59.960 Three two one contact. 0:02:00.720 --> 0:02:03.000 I liked it because it was filled with weird science 0:02:03.040 --> 0:02:07.840 and discoveries and facts. The very matter that makes this 0:02:07.920 --> 0:02:11.280 is me now, still obsessed with weird science and discoveries 0:02:11.280 --> 0:02:16.120 and facts. Except for my hair is gray, my face 0:02:16.240 --> 0:02:20.080 is rounder. I'm lucky to have a wife and kids 0:02:20.080 --> 0:02:21.080 who make me smile. 0:02:21.840 --> 0:02:30.359 You don't look bad. You know you have ontap potential, right, And. 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:32.000 I guess I'm supposed to be a grown up. But 0:02:32.320 --> 0:02:37.560 I can't believe I'm forty seven. I mean, I do 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:41.240 get more tired. My reflexes aren't what it used to be. 0:02:42.720 --> 0:02:49.040 But my spirit that's a different story. I always have 0:02:49.080 --> 0:02:54.400 a pen on me for doodling. When I sit at 0:02:54.400 --> 0:02:56.280 the front of a bus, I like to inch my 0:02:56.440 --> 0:03:02.040 toe slowly over the do not cross line because it's harmless. 0:03:03.440 --> 0:03:06.480 Also, I don't really like being told what to do. 0:03:08.800 --> 0:03:12.600 This is my childhood friend Chathan. He's a rule breaker too. 0:03:13.160 --> 0:03:15.359 I'm actually a superhero now one years I know that 0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:17.800 live for you to come back and so how I 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:20.480 can scale walls and a lecture a vision. 0:03:20.520 --> 0:03:21.640 Now there's a new peptide. 0:03:22.760 --> 0:03:26.800 He's lost way has loads of energy. And honestly, I 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:30.640 don't want to live forever. But what Chathan has that 0:03:30.800 --> 0:03:36.200 sounds appealing. That's where my journey begins. This is a 0:03:36.240 --> 0:03:38.640 longevity doctor I saw while working on this show. 0:03:38.960 --> 0:03:43.080 This is how much that you have. It's like nine kilograms, 0:03:43.160 --> 0:03:45.280 which is a lot. You know, you're almost on the 0:03:45.320 --> 0:03:46.040 O B side. 0:03:47.240 --> 0:03:49.560 This is a genetics expert telling me trauma lives in 0:03:49.560 --> 0:03:54.160 your epigenetics. For eight generations, we see Indians aging pastor 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:58.440 probably because of generational traumas due to colonization. So even 0:03:58.480 --> 0:04:01.800 if I take a lot of pills, colonialism kind of 0:04:01.800 --> 0:04:02.360 screwed me. 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:08.240 This is my great grandmother. She saw it. 0:04:08.200 --> 0:04:14.720 All colonial rule, world wars, partition, independence, generations of family 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:19.080 both entering and passing. When I was a kid, I 0:04:19.240 --> 0:04:22.799 thought she was the coolest. She was funny and surly 0:04:22.880 --> 0:04:27.080 and drank strong coffee with her morning newspaper. She loved 0:04:27.120 --> 0:04:31.279 Calvin and Hobbes and hated to lose its scrabble. The 0:04:31.320 --> 0:04:33.800 fact that she lived to one hundred and three felt 0:04:33.800 --> 0:04:37.800 like an achievement. But these days, when I talked to 0:04:37.839 --> 0:04:43.440 biopunks and longevinots, one hundred three barely seems worth bragging about. 0:04:45.120 --> 0:04:47.760 This is a graph of people who've lived past one 0:04:47.880 --> 0:04:48.520 hundred and twenty. 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:51.440 There's only one of them. 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:57.120 Jeane Cowmant from France. She was a smoker. This is 0:04:57.160 --> 0:04:59.560 a graph of the number of people scientists expect to 0:04:59.600 --> 0:05:01.920 live past their one hundred and tens in the year 0:05:01.960 --> 0:05:12.240 twenty eighty. That's three hundred thousand people right there. These 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:14.039 are some old people we ask for advice. 0:05:14.760 --> 0:05:17.159 And I'll look in the mirror and I get my 0:05:17.240 --> 0:05:19.560 girl a rink, say you look all right, girl, We 0:05:19.600 --> 0:05:20.159 can do this. 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:23.400 I learned my lessons from my grandmother and my dad. 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:26.120 Keep it moving, to live forever. 0:05:26.240 --> 0:05:28.280 It's just a fantasy, so yeah, I might as well. 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:29.160 Can I fly too? 0:05:33.760 --> 0:05:37.440 This is a biohacker who injected himself with cow brains 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:38.920 just to see the effect. 0:05:39.600 --> 0:05:43.159 We've got all these peptides right here, and I'm gonna 0:05:43.160 --> 0:05:48.200 inject this one into him and I go yeah. 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:51.200 This is a scientist who thinks some men are overdoing 0:05:51.240 --> 0:05:51.760 it and. 0:05:52.520 --> 0:05:54.279 Are like horoscopes for tech ropes. 0:05:57.360 --> 0:06:00.479 And this is where I find myself eventually talking to 0:06:00.520 --> 0:06:03.599 a startup founder who lives on an island populated mostly 0:06:03.640 --> 0:06:06.479 by monkeys. She's going to make her dad heart attack 0:06:06.640 --> 0:06:09.240 proof and she wants to do the same for you. 0:06:09.839 --> 0:06:11.920 So I'm like, wait, could I grow him a new 0:06:11.920 --> 0:06:14.800 heart that will never develop heart disease because I genetically 0:06:14.800 --> 0:06:15.599 engineered at them? 0:06:15.640 --> 0:06:17.520 Like stage one. 0:06:18.400 --> 0:06:20.280 This year, my friends and I set out to make 0:06:20.320 --> 0:06:22.960 a show about longevity. I wanted to go to blue 0:06:23.040 --> 0:06:26.560 Zones and MIT and meet people at the fringes who 0:06:26.560 --> 0:06:30.400 are developing new drugs and new therapies. I wanted to 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:34.400 investigate the line between substance and snake oil. And here 0:06:34.480 --> 0:06:38.159 from folks implanting computer chips into their arms and the 0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:40.880 young scientists trying to replace their brains with a totally 0:06:40.920 --> 0:06:42.880 new one, one cell at. 0:06:42.800 --> 0:06:48.320 A time, not people who just talk about the future 0:06:48.960 --> 0:06:50.520 but are brave enough to actually do it. 0:06:56.839 --> 0:07:00.480 This is a show about life, but really it's a 0:07:00.520 --> 0:07:03.720 story about time. The time we have, the time we 0:07:03.760 --> 0:07:07.279 think we have, and the ways as human beings we're 0:07:07.320 --> 0:07:12.920 still asking for an extension. From Kaleidoscope and iHeartRadio, I'm 0:07:12.960 --> 0:07:19.120 monga'sha Together. Welcome to Skyline Drive, How to Live Forever 0:07:46.000 --> 0:07:55.480 chapter one The New fifty. If you asked me in 0:07:55.560 --> 0:08:00.280 third grade, Missus Fletcher was the definition of old You 0:08:00.360 --> 0:08:01.440 remember Missus Fletcher. 0:08:01.520 --> 0:08:04.800 Right, I'm tallen and I can't get up. 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:06.560 For sending help immediately Missus Fletcher. 0:08:06.560 --> 0:08:07.400 He will be called a law. 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:10.560 Back in the nineteen eighties, these life call commercials were 0:08:10.840 --> 0:08:14.520 always on TV, and they really drilled into this idea 0:08:14.560 --> 0:08:18.280 that anyone who was older and living alone was constantly 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:22.520 on the precipice of some massive accident. In home accidents 0:08:22.640 --> 0:08:25.760 last year, over three million people were disabled. 0:08:26.160 --> 0:08:30.840 One hundred thousand either suffered permanent disabilities or die. 0:08:30.760 --> 0:08:35.280 Stairs, slippery floors, a bunched carpet. These were all treated 0:08:35.400 --> 0:08:41.040 like murder weapons, and the commercials were so melodramatic you 0:08:41.080 --> 0:08:44.439 can see why they became a national punchline. I'm folling. 0:08:48.240 --> 0:08:51.679 All that's to say, I've been thinking about those commercials 0:08:51.800 --> 0:08:55.240 a lot, and it's made me wonder did old age 0:08:55.280 --> 0:08:58.800 on TV look older than it does now? So I 0:08:58.840 --> 0:09:01.080 called on my friend the communie Ken read. 0:09:01.640 --> 0:09:04.040 I'm more or lesson whenevery issue of TV Guide magazine 0:09:04.120 --> 0:09:05.000 like a normal person. 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:08.880 Ken has been making his podcast TV Guidance Counselor for 0:09:08.880 --> 0:09:11.800 more than a decade, so he seemed like the perfect 0:09:11.840 --> 0:09:14.880 person for me to run my theory by. I'm about 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:18.360 to turn forty seven, and I was trying to imagine, 0:09:18.440 --> 0:09:21.280 like what was old age on TV as a kid, 0:09:21.320 --> 0:09:23.720 Like what was my perception of it? And the thing 0:09:23.960 --> 0:09:26.640 I kept coming back to was that I've fallen and 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:27.800 I can't get up commercial. 0:09:28.240 --> 0:09:30.640 Yeah, yeah, that was what we all had to look 0:09:30.679 --> 0:09:35.560 forward to, being alone and injured and your your family 0:09:35.640 --> 0:09:37.920 doesn't remember your care about you anymore. 0:09:38.600 --> 0:09:40.720 Just to be clear, this was never how I pictured 0:09:40.720 --> 0:09:43.720 my own old age as a third grader. I just 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:46.960 assumed I'd be living this very able bodied, Sherlock Holmes 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:50.439 esque life, you know, like playing music and chess, solving 0:09:50.480 --> 0:09:53.319 mysteries with my best friend, wearing a lot of tweed. 0:09:54.000 --> 0:09:56.920 Not exactly life called territory. I mean, I didn't know 0:09:57.080 --> 0:09:58.920 about this, and I don't know if you did before, 0:09:58.960 --> 0:10:01.080 but when I did some research, which like it was 0:10:01.160 --> 0:10:04.480 a true story, like the woman who played Miss Fletcher 0:10:04.800 --> 0:10:09.760 was named Edith for and she had actually fallen. Yeah, 0:10:10.520 --> 0:10:12.480 although it was a dramatic recreation, I don't think she 0:10:12.559 --> 0:10:14.079 hit her head on every step like she does in 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:15.160 the actual part. 0:10:15.200 --> 0:10:15.959 Of the recreation. 0:10:16.440 --> 0:10:19.440 But yeah, and it's it's funny for a lot of reasons. 0:10:19.480 --> 0:10:23.640 That's such a weird snapshot because a it's pre internet, 0:10:23.640 --> 0:10:25.800 pre cell phone, so like, I think people younger than 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:27.440 us now would be like, why do you need that 0:10:27.480 --> 0:10:30.760 if you fall? Like, doesn't your phone automatically send in 0:10:30.800 --> 0:10:31.360 the military? 0:10:31.559 --> 0:10:31.719 Yeah? 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:33.680 No, Like you look at that commercial and you think 0:10:33.760 --> 0:10:36.719 this woman is not leaving her house, like maybe she 0:10:36.720 --> 0:10:39.280 gets escorted to like a piano recital or something every 0:10:39.280 --> 0:10:39.840 once in a while. 0:10:40.000 --> 0:10:41.880 Yeah, I mean you and I were the same exact age. 0:10:41.880 --> 0:10:44.400 I'll most my birthdays in June and I'll be forty 0:10:44.400 --> 0:10:47.920 seven somehow, and my dad's in his early seventies, and yeah, 0:10:48.040 --> 0:10:50.680 I mean, obviously he doesn't look like a seventy something 0:10:50.720 --> 0:10:54.040 year old woman from the mid eighties generally, but I 0:10:54.080 --> 0:10:55.920 don't think of them in the same way. And part 0:10:55.920 --> 0:10:57.400 of its perception as well. 0:10:57.400 --> 0:10:59.400 I was looking back and I didn't realize that, like 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:04.000 Funker On, all the family dies at like age fifty 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:08.520 of a stroke. Yeah, Like the idea that they used 0:11:08.520 --> 0:11:10.680 to kill off the loved characters who are not that 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:15.319 much older than me feels bonkers. Or here's another example, 0:11:15.559 --> 0:11:18.200 as a kid. The Golden Girls seemed like the oldest 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:21.760 people on TV. Three senior citizens and one of their 0:11:21.800 --> 0:11:25.000 mothers talked away in Florida. I just assumed they were 0:11:25.000 --> 0:11:26.600 in their seventies moving that you. 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:28.680 Can't teach an old ad new drigs. 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:31.559 And if anyone knows about tricks. 0:11:32.800 --> 0:11:36.800 But when I researched it, Rue McClanahan, who played Blanche, 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:39.959 was just fifty one, you. 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:43.640 Know, likea mona from Who's the Best? Prime example, right. 0:11:43.800 --> 0:11:46.000 The whole joke on that was. 0:11:46.000 --> 0:11:49.080 Like she's sex crazy. So she's an old lady and 0:11:49.160 --> 0:11:51.079 she's like fifty. 0:11:51.120 --> 0:11:55.120 Maybe what's hard to swallow though, isn't just that fifty 0:11:55.200 --> 0:11:58.920 was considered old age. It's also how fragile fifty used 0:11:58.920 --> 0:11:59.760 to seem. 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:03.080 When you go back and look at clapper ads, they're 0:12:03.120 --> 0:12:05.719 mostly focused on old people at the beginning, because why 0:12:05.760 --> 0:12:08.240 wouldn't they be. It's like, hey, you're old, you can't 0:12:08.360 --> 0:12:10.280 get up and turn all light off? 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:11.120 Amazing. 0:12:11.360 --> 0:12:13.480 I mean, I remember the clapp for Phenomena, but I 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:15.880 had not realized that it was targeted at old people. 0:12:15.880 --> 0:12:17.880 That's really oh yeah. The first few ads it's like 0:12:17.920 --> 0:12:21.240 old people in craftmatic chairs clapping, so because they're falling 0:12:21.280 --> 0:12:23.520 asleep in their chair, like they want to shut the 0:12:23.559 --> 0:12:26.040 light off, you know, because he'll live alone. And you're 0:12:26.280 --> 0:12:27.600 really old at fifty. 0:12:28.240 --> 0:12:30.880 But think about what those mid fifties look like now. 0:12:31.840 --> 0:12:36.760 Matt Damon as Odysseus is not feeble. He's fifty five 0:12:36.880 --> 0:12:39.559 and ripped and in the best shape of his life. 0:12:40.400 --> 0:12:43.920 But also think about how much better we all look. 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:46.680 Our skin is better, the air quality is better. There's 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:50.480 less pollution. We haven't been exposed to homes full of 0:12:50.559 --> 0:12:55.000 cigarette smoke. Our food has less transfats, and those are 0:12:55.120 --> 0:12:58.800 hard won battles that turned into real public health winds. 0:12:59.280 --> 0:13:00.880 We also care more. 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:05.880 We use moisturizers and I creams and inject things like botox, 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:08.880 and that shows up not just in how we look, 0:13:09.200 --> 0:13:12.480 but in the stories we tell. Ken told me that 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:16.000 TV shows about seniors took a turn too. It used 0:13:16.040 --> 0:13:18.840 to be that stories about older people focused on struggle. 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:23.280 It was almost like all your resources are gone. Now 0:13:23.679 --> 0:13:25.840 everyone you knew was gone, so you need help because 0:13:25.880 --> 0:13:26.440 it's just. 0:13:26.400 --> 0:13:27.520 Like nice, just you. 0:13:28.120 --> 0:13:31.640 Yeah, And then they kind of focused it on second 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:34.760 chances or like a second act. 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:39.440 And now it seems like everyone's pushing for third and 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:44.760 fourth acts. But at some point doesn't every story have 0:13:44.840 --> 0:13:45.360 to end. 0:14:10.920 --> 0:14:11.520 Chapter two? 0:14:13.520 --> 0:14:19.560 Another prediction making a show is a funny thing. On 0:14:19.560 --> 0:14:21.640 one hand, I don't think I've listened to Skyline Drive 0:14:21.680 --> 0:14:24.520 since we made it, at least not the hard parts. 0:14:26.240 --> 0:14:28.000 Situation doesn't look good for father. 0:14:28.640 --> 0:14:31.520 There is a risk to father, and you should take 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:32.880 every possible care. 0:14:35.480 --> 0:14:38.160 Back then, I thought I was making a show about astrology, 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:40.800 and then my dad passed and the show ended up 0:14:40.800 --> 0:14:45.000 being about something else about death and how to accept, 0:14:45.440 --> 0:14:49.880 to grieve, how to hope again, and also how astrology 0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:53.240 was this prism to do all of that. But I 0:14:53.400 --> 0:14:56.880 have re listened to the interviews, and there's something wonderful 0:14:56.920 --> 0:14:59.480 about having these records of chats with my mom or 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:03.120 my friend and things we said but I don't remember. 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:09.680 And recently, looking back through old recordings, I stumbled into 0:15:09.680 --> 0:15:13.680 something odd tape of a tantric astrologer I met in Chennai. 0:15:14.720 --> 0:15:16.960 For me, this was one of the most meaningful parts 0:15:17.000 --> 0:15:20.360 of the show. That year, I had heard a prediction 0:15:20.440 --> 0:15:23.760 about my dad's death and it came true. And as 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:27.160 part of this astrologer's apprenticeship, he had to predict the 0:15:27.200 --> 0:15:30.600 exact time his father would die, and that came true 0:15:30.600 --> 0:15:31.240 as well. 0:15:31.200 --> 0:15:33.360 And he told me, I said, Guru, I am asking 0:15:33.400 --> 0:15:37.760 you when I willn't die. I'm asking you you'd see 0:15:37.880 --> 0:15:42.440 a tenn And unfortunately, yeah, I was the person who 0:15:42.520 --> 0:15:45.840 told that you'll have a kardi cuarist. 0:15:46.840 --> 0:15:50.400 It may sound silly or fantastical, but in that moment 0:15:51.120 --> 0:15:54.200 I felt so connected to him by this strange, invisible 0:15:54.200 --> 0:15:57.880 string of our shared experience. He told me what sadness, 0:15:58.000 --> 0:15:59.920 how he didn't want to be accurate about his father 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:04.080 but he was, and how certain fates etched into the 0:16:04.080 --> 0:16:10.000 stars are undeniable. That's the part I remember. But as 0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:12.640 I really listened, I heard another part of our conversation, 0:16:13.400 --> 0:16:14.400 a part I'd forgotten. 0:16:15.320 --> 0:16:20.200 So from twenty thirty four or ten month till twenty 0:16:20.360 --> 0:16:24.440 thirty nine, after month, you will retain what you are 0:16:24.880 --> 0:16:29.880 then boom, end of this life. Sorry to say this. 0:16:30.600 --> 0:16:33.960 It turns out that July twenty ninth, twenty thirty nine 0:16:34.080 --> 0:16:36.720 is a critical date. And if I somehow happen to 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:38.240 make it past that, you. 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:41.080 May live for four to five years. 0:16:42.160 --> 0:16:44.120 What that will be some kind of issues. 0:16:45.800 --> 0:16:49.520 So if I trust his interpretation of the stars, I 0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:53.640 have an expiration date of sixty four years, which you know, 0:16:54.040 --> 0:16:59.040 not bad, could be worse, or at least that's what 0:16:59.080 --> 0:17:02.840 I thought when I told my except maybe I regret 0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:06.240 sharing my revelation with Lizzie because while I fell asleep 0:17:06.240 --> 0:17:09.560 pretty quickly after my bedtime confession, the conversation kept her 0:17:09.680 --> 0:17:13.400 up and she can't let it go, so we talked. 0:17:13.240 --> 0:17:14.080 About it a little later. 0:17:14.680 --> 0:17:16.399 I don't know if you notice you keep laughing. 0:17:16.480 --> 0:17:18.520 I don't think I've laughed once. I don't find this 0:17:18.600 --> 0:17:19.320 funny at all. 0:17:19.840 --> 0:17:21.680 I mean, either it'll happen or it won't happen. 0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:21.960 Right. 0:17:22.800 --> 0:17:25.040 If you're deflecting, you're deflecting because my beef is not 0:17:25.160 --> 0:17:27.439 with the fact that he predicted it, and you are 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:28.600 mad that he predicted it. 0:17:28.760 --> 0:17:31.080 I don't know. If I get sixty four years a wife, 0:17:31.119 --> 0:17:31.600 that's okay. 0:17:33.880 --> 0:17:37.000 It's wonderful like to not take things for granted and yeah, 0:17:37.000 --> 0:17:40.239 and be present and be present. But no, I'm not 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:43.159 okay with that, especially because our children would not be 0:17:43.280 --> 0:17:44.720 very old at that point. 0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:46.800 I mean, I'm not saying it wouldn't be hard. Obviously, 0:17:46.800 --> 0:17:47.720 it would be difficult when. 0:17:47.640 --> 0:17:48.640 You were in your forties. 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:52.600 So you want your children to have less time with 0:17:52.680 --> 0:17:54.359 their father than you have hit with your father. 0:17:54.960 --> 0:17:57.560 No, but like in the context of like, I don't know, 0:17:57.560 --> 0:18:00.320 we made space Ninja suits on a snow day, but 0:18:00.480 --> 0:18:03.320 like we we've done so many fun things and so 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:06.959 many weird things, and it's just been like very joys 0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:10.840 and so I'm sure it would be difficult, but like, 0:18:10.880 --> 0:18:12.840 I don't regret things that I've done. 0:18:12.920 --> 0:18:13.440 No, of course not. 0:18:13.760 --> 0:18:20.159 I'm just saying I'm voting for you sticking your own Okay, okay. 0:18:23.359 --> 0:18:25.679 But it isn't just Lizzy. You as feelings about my 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:29.240 early departure. She and my friend Chathan started talking about 0:18:29.240 --> 0:18:29.760 this prediction. 0:18:30.560 --> 0:18:33.880 One Gush's general attitude about all of this is like, yeah, 0:18:33.880 --> 0:18:36.639 that's fine, what's. 0:18:36.119 --> 0:18:36.840 Wrong with him? 0:18:37.600 --> 0:18:38.399 So why would he be? 0:18:38.480 --> 0:18:39.480 Why you be okay with that? 0:18:40.320 --> 0:18:43.320 So, of course Chathan wants to talk to me. I 0:18:43.359 --> 0:18:45.560 am a little concerned about your health. I think we're 0:18:45.560 --> 0:18:47.800 at this age where like we don't get a whole 0:18:47.800 --> 0:18:49.280 lot more free passes. 0:18:49.280 --> 0:18:53.640 As we both approach our mid forties, right, our. 0:18:53.560 --> 0:18:55.400 Early fifties is what we're fucking approaching. 0:18:55.520 --> 0:18:59.560 Yeah, our health is like a slow burn in terms 0:18:59.560 --> 0:19:00.360 of decline. 0:19:00.680 --> 0:19:01.800 I don't know if this is true. 0:19:01.800 --> 0:19:03.399 But I feel like I played a lot more sport 0:19:03.480 --> 0:19:04.800 than you, and so like I feel like I wore 0:19:04.880 --> 0:19:07.679 down my body more than you might have. So I 0:19:07.720 --> 0:19:10.119 guess my lack of athletic ability is finally coming to 0:19:10.160 --> 0:19:15.120 my veny, like I was good at math and bad 0:19:15.119 --> 0:19:21.320 at sports, and finally like that's like working out for me. Somehow, 0:19:21.359 --> 0:19:25.280 Everyone's got thoughts, even my kid Ruby, Why are you. 0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:30.160 Damning a podcast that like helps you find out when 0:19:30.240 --> 0:19:32.560 own who's gonna die? Like, isn't that sad? 0:19:33.800 --> 0:19:37.760 I mean, that would be a sad podcast. But even 0:19:37.760 --> 0:19:41.280 when we corrected Ruvi about the topic, they still had 0:19:41.280 --> 0:19:41.880 an opinion. 0:19:42.440 --> 0:19:44.800 Do you want to live longer than you might? 0:19:45.680 --> 0:19:48.360 Yeah? I do. I think you shouldn't take what your 0:19:48.480 --> 0:19:49.280 life are granted. 0:19:49.760 --> 0:19:50.880 Do you want to live a long time? 0:19:51.640 --> 0:19:53.240 I would like to live long. I think it would 0:19:53.240 --> 0:19:55.040 be nice, But I also think it would be sad 0:19:55.200 --> 0:19:57.200 to grow and like have a lot of people who 0:19:57.240 --> 0:19:58.720 you love like leave. 0:19:59.520 --> 0:20:01.640 Yeah, you don't think you'd want to be the last 0:20:01.640 --> 0:20:02.200 one left? 0:20:02.400 --> 0:20:08.639 No, I'm a lot like Ruby. 0:20:08.960 --> 0:20:12.560 I figure when it's over, it's over, And I've never 0:20:12.600 --> 0:20:17.160 really thought about negotiating for extra time. The thing is, I. 0:20:17.240 --> 0:20:19.880 Do love to push a deadline. I'm a writer, after all. 0:20:20.240 --> 0:20:22.720 Plus I was semi famous in high school for being 0:20:22.720 --> 0:20:25.600 able to get teachers to push back tests for our classes. 0:20:25.680 --> 0:20:28.280 So maybe you'll fall back on old habits when I 0:20:28.280 --> 0:20:29.520 get to sixty. 0:20:29.840 --> 0:20:30.280 I don't know. 0:20:31.400 --> 0:20:34.240 What I do know is I feel out of sync 0:20:34.280 --> 0:20:38.720 with my social feeds. The noise is just oppressive. With 0:20:38.960 --> 0:20:43.240 influencers and looks, maxers and billionaires and talking heads all 0:20:43.320 --> 0:20:46.920 chattering about a zepic and life acts and living forever, 0:20:47.240 --> 0:20:52.760 you just cannot escape it. So it's comforting to hear 0:20:52.800 --> 0:20:57.040 my kid talking about the future the way I do. 0:20:57.040 --> 0:20:58.760 Do you have an idea of how old you'll be 0:20:58.880 --> 0:20:59.680 when you're very old? 0:21:00.280 --> 0:21:05.000 I want to get to my late eighties and hopefully nineties, 0:21:05.440 --> 0:21:08.680 But I don't want to like hang on by to 0:21:08.800 --> 0:21:12.200 I just to live longer. I want to like enjoy 0:21:12.240 --> 0:21:14.240 it's done joy. 0:21:14.640 --> 0:21:17.880 I mean, look at joe'snaka dude. She doesn't need longevity. 0:21:17.920 --> 0:21:49.360 She's like it's rash, Chapter three, one hundred candles. 0:21:52.960 --> 0:21:54.520 There are a few things I want to talk with 0:21:54.600 --> 0:21:59.280 you about before we start. For example, I usually work 0:21:59.440 --> 0:22:01.040 like that down top shirts. 0:22:01.119 --> 0:22:03.200 Okay, is that better for age? 0:22:03.680 --> 0:22:04.040 I think? 0:22:04.240 --> 0:22:09.439 I think it's I want to reflect youth. H Okay, okay. 0:22:11.440 --> 0:22:15.040 Doctor Near barzilaias seventy has a boyish charm with the 0:22:15.080 --> 0:22:18.040 mischievous sense of humor. On his office wall, there's an 0:22:18.040 --> 0:22:20.920 awesome powers poster that his students have photoshopped him into 0:22:21.400 --> 0:22:25.240 because there's a clear resemblance. But a superspy looks aren't 0:22:25.240 --> 0:22:27.880 the reason I'm talking to Near. Near has been obsessed 0:22:27.920 --> 0:22:30.000 with one problem since he was a kid. 0:22:30.359 --> 0:22:33.760 What happens that you grow up and then you get old? 0:22:34.600 --> 0:22:38.120 Which is funny to me, like, what's the wonder? Isn't 0:22:38.119 --> 0:22:41.400 that life? But not to Near, which put him ahead 0:22:41.400 --> 0:22:42.960 of the curve when it was time to choose a 0:22:43.000 --> 0:22:44.720 residency after med school. 0:22:44.920 --> 0:22:47.919 And there were no ages. Right, I'm one of the first, 0:22:48.040 --> 0:22:51.000 so there was nobody that I could go and say 0:22:51.040 --> 0:22:51.480 train me. 0:22:51.640 --> 0:22:53.160 We had to kind of invent it. 0:22:55.320 --> 0:22:58.600 He started in endochronology, the study of hormones, because he 0:22:58.640 --> 0:23:00.879 had a hunch that since hormone go up as we 0:23:00.960 --> 0:23:03.760 grow and then go down as we age, and. 0:23:03.760 --> 0:23:07.840 I thought, wow, maybe if you just supplement those hormones, 0:23:08.320 --> 0:23:13.080 you'll stop the aging process, which proved to be largely wrong. Okay, 0:23:13.440 --> 0:23:16.760 but it gave me enough knowledge to know how to 0:23:16.840 --> 0:23:18.720 ask the next questions. 0:23:18.600 --> 0:23:21.400 And then fast forward. He's the director of the Aging 0:23:21.480 --> 0:23:24.880