1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of I 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, 3 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: and there's Chuck and there's Jerry, and uh, this is 4 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: Stuff you should Know. The Schnaz edition. It's such a 5 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 1: great word. It is man and it's such a great 6 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: descriptor to like, I consider my nose a schnaz. There's 7 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: a big difference between schnas and a nose and I've 8 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: got a schnaz. Yeah. And what I think is even funnier. 9 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 1: And this goes back to the Saturday Night Live, which 10 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: one was it? It was a Martin Short season and 11 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 1: it was one of the Martin Short sketches where he's 12 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: doing I think Nathan Thurm was the attorney that he 13 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: did occasionally, and he said the word schnas like snaz 14 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: without this and it just made it even funnier. He said, 15 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:04,960 Speaker 1: we don't make snazzas he's talking about fake noses. So 16 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 1: did he did he get it wrong or did he 17 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: mess up a line or what was the deal? Oh? 18 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 1: I think it was just the comedic genius of Martin Short. Yeah, 19 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: he's pretty good. And speaking of which, uh, this has 20 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: nothing to do with that. But we're teasing out listener 21 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: mail today early because we have collected I knew we'd 22 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 1: get some good grilled cheese tips, and we collected a 23 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 1: little small compendium. So it's gonna be a bit of 24 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:37,319 Speaker 1: an extended listener mail where we go over the listener 25 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: mail tips for grilled cheese sandwiches. We're really going to 26 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: wear out that background music. Let's a stick around. So 27 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: we're talking nose jobs today, Chuck also called rhinoplastic. You 28 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: would think rhino plastics the clinical term, and I guess 29 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: technically it is, but if you are a plastic surgeon 30 00:01:56,200 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: or cosmetic surgeon, um, you would probably not call it 31 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:03,639 Speaker 1: that any longer. You'd call it nose sculpting instead, which 32 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 1: to me really kind of underscores the vibe about nose 33 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 1: jobs today. That is a little bit here, a little 34 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:17,239 Speaker 1: bit there, nothing too ridiculously radical, and that's a far 35 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 1: cry from, you know, the rhino plastic of the past, 36 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: from what I understand. Yeah, I've heard it calls no 37 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 1: nose reshaping as well. And rhino plastic itself comes from Greek, 38 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: of course, rhino meaning nose or SNAs uh and plasticoast 39 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 1: p l A s I k O s which looks 40 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: so so. Greek means to shape into mold, and that's 41 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: what plastic surgery comes from. Of course, a rhinoplasty is 42 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:57,119 Speaker 1: just reach re shaping the snaz man. You are on 43 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 1: fire in man, really, yes, I mean no, it's not no, 44 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,679 Speaker 1: you've been on fire. But I'm saying like, like you've 45 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 1: really just stepped it up in the last like this 46 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: past year. I don't know what the deal is, but 47 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 1: I love it. I'm I'm loving it. I'm here for it, 48 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 1: and I want more and more. All right, nowhere to 49 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:22,639 Speaker 1: go but down. That's right, that's what they call a 50 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: set up. You're gonna do great, chuck, what kind of snot? 51 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 1: Thank you for that, by the way, demur, but and 52 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: try to move on very quickly when given a compliment. Yeah, 53 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: well so let's do that here. That's fine, that's fine, 54 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: But I also want to add something to that. I 55 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: I that is now the last time I'm going to 56 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: like drag one of your great jokes out and like, 57 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: you know, beat it with a rug beater until it's 58 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: totally not funny anymore. Now I'm fully on board, So 59 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna play a lot like it's just normal yeah, Uh, 60 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: what kind of nose job would someone get? Why would 61 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: someone want a nose up? Oh, there's all sorts of 62 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: reasons you could want a nose job. You could be 63 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: a um U seventh century b c. Indian thief or 64 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: adulterer and have had your nose lopped off as punishment. Okay, 65 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 1: bring it forward. You could have been in uh one 66 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:22,600 Speaker 1: of the world Wars and been facially um injured by 67 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 1: a mine. Bring it forward. You could have been born 68 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: with a kind of nose that is characteristic of your 69 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: ethnicity and want to have changed it to fit in 70 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:40,720 Speaker 1: with waspy mid century America getting closer. And then lastly, 71 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 1: um you can also want to reshape your nose for 72 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 1: medical reasons as well. Right, the only thing you left out, 73 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 1: which and we're going to get to all this stuff 74 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: in greater detail, is you may have had syphilis, which 75 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:58,039 Speaker 1: let at a time in our history that left you 76 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 1: with kind of a hole in the front of your face. Us. 77 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 1: And just big tip for people, do not google syphilis 78 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: nose and look for images because while you will see 79 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 1: that and that is alarming in and of itself, you 80 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:16,039 Speaker 1: will see lots of nastiness that you won't be able 81 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: to forget anytime soon. Yeah, because apparently syphilis causes necrosis 82 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:23,599 Speaker 1: of your soft tissues, and you know, soft tissues combined 83 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: to kind of give us a characteristic appearance, and when 84 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 1: that soft tissue is missing, it can be you know, um, 85 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:33,839 Speaker 1: disarming at first or alarming at first until you just 86 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: stop and think, like, what's the person? You know? That's right? 87 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: Uh So as far as cosmetic stuff goes, and if 88 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 1: this is purely like, hey, I just don't really like 89 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: the way my nose looks and I would like to 90 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,039 Speaker 1: to to get it to look the way I wanted 91 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 1: to look. Uh. Some of the reasons are just facial balance, 92 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: like how big your face is in relation to the 93 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 1: size of your nose. You might have trouble with the 94 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 1: width of your nose. Or it might have something to 95 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 1: do with a visible hump or bump, which I love. 96 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I think is it called a Roman nose? Yes, 97 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: that has sort of the hump. Yeah. You find it 98 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:18,239 Speaker 1: to be a very attractive feature on a lady. Gotcha? Okay? Cool, 99 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 1: So I'm I'm a fan. Um, so you know that 100 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: would be something you would see more in profile, or 101 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:27,840 Speaker 1: you know, it might be the tip of your nose 102 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: might droop or be turned up in a more I 103 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 1: guess they call it technically they call it a pug 104 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:36,600 Speaker 1: fashion um or it might be hooked, or you might 105 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 1: not like your nostrils they may not be symmetrical like 106 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:43,479 Speaker 1: they can kind of do whatever you want done these days. Yeah, 107 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 1: that's definitely true. And one of the things that um 108 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:49,160 Speaker 1: that has evolved as far as nose jobs goes, that 109 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: I kind of touched on earlier is it's no it 110 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:55,159 Speaker 1: used to be, especially in the heyday of the mid century, 111 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: of the fifties and sixties, when you know, nose jobs 112 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: really sorry to take off for cosmetic reasons, especially among 113 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 1: um people of Jewish ancestry in America. There was like 114 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: I want this nose. You go in with a magazine picture, 115 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: or you go in with your friend and be like, 116 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 1: give me her nose. You did her nose, I want 117 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: the same nose, And like there was a just this 118 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 1: kind of general idea that you you just got exactly 119 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 1: the nose you wanted without any regard to whether that 120 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: nose actually look natural on your face. And it's evolved 121 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: over time. And one of the reasons why it was 122 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: because there was like a perfect nose in American nose, 123 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: a Caucasian knows that was like an ideal version of beauty. 124 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 1: And over time, especially in the last like Tanner so years, 125 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 1: it seems like there's been a huge sea change in 126 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: the way people who get those jobs approach it, and 127 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: that they're like, can you just take the more extreme 128 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 1: features of my nose, like you just went over on 129 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 1: that list and just kind of tone them down a 130 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: little bit. Don't give me a different nose. I want 131 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: a slightly more idealized version of my nose. I want 132 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 1: to look like myself. I don't want somebody else's nose. 133 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: I just want it tamed a little bit. And that's 134 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: kind of where it stands today from everything I saw 135 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: as far as nose jobs go. Yeah, and it sort 136 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 1: of reminds me of that great scene from the movie 137 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: Singles when Bridget Fonda goes in for breast augmentation surgery 138 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: and Bill Pullman is the surgeon. Yeah, Bill Pullman, and 139 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: I wasn't thinking Bill Paxton, and I just couldn't remember 140 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: if it was Bill Pullman. Uh, and she You know, 141 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:35,559 Speaker 1: they have the little weird science program where they make 142 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: the breast larger or smaller by just hitting up or 143 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 1: down on the computer, and she goes way big, and 144 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:43,679 Speaker 1: he's like, why don't we like fit your frame a 145 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: little more. He's sort of trying to talk her into 146 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 1: just a more reasonable form of that surgery. And I think, 147 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: and that was a long time ago, and I think 148 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: you're right. I think these days, and of course people 149 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: get all kinds of extreme, you know, body surgery done, 150 00:08:57,679 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: but I think these days it is a little bit 151 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: more or common for someone to say like, hey, I'm 152 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: not trying to look like a completely different version, but 153 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 1: this one thing is always bothered me. Yeah, and then 154 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: one other thing I want to say too, that seems 155 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: to be a common um part of the discussion around 156 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 1: nose jobs is um. A lot of people who get 157 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: them tend to view them as not so much like 158 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:25,319 Speaker 1: a physical um operation, or it is a physical operation, 159 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: but it's to correct a psychological issue that the person 160 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 1: doesn't actually like. There's nothing wrong with their nose, they 161 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:36,559 Speaker 1: just don't like their nose, and they've come to dislike 162 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 1: their nose so much that they have trouble like living 163 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 1: their life because they're so self conscious about it. And 164 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 1: to them, people who get nose jobs say this is 165 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 1: this is this, this is just smart, Like, there's no 166 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: reason for me not to do this. It's going to help, 167 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:54,959 Speaker 1: and apparently it does help sometimes. So I don't encourage 168 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: it one way or the other. I certainly don't um 169 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:00,719 Speaker 1: judge or criticize or anybody who does get a nose 170 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:02,559 Speaker 1: job if they feel like it's the right thing for them. 171 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,199 Speaker 1: But it just seems chuck very much in step with 172 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 1: the century and the like people in there, you know, 173 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: late teens and twenties and you know, even early thirties 174 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: are just so aware, way more aware than we were 175 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 1: when we were their age. Um that that kind of 176 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: has to do with nose jobs. Who has trans translated 177 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 1: and transferred over to nose jobs that people are just 178 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: thinking more about it rather than I hate my nose, 179 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 1: I want this nose, you know. Yeah, I think it 180 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 1: falls into the general umbrella of like, now there's a 181 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 1: lot more um sort of shunning of this idealized beauty 182 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: notion then there has been in a long time. And 183 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 1: I'm not weighing in one or the other either because 184 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 1: it's a very personal choice. But I will say that 185 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 1: I do love the idea of this idealized form of 186 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 1: beauty being kind of kick to the curb to say 187 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 1: something more modern. Deed, there are a few things that 188 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:55,959 Speaker 1: have been more harmful that didn't involve like guns or 189 00:10:56,080 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 1: explosions than and a single idealized form of beauty, you know, alright, 190 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: so I agree. Um, let's go over some statistics right 191 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: out of the gate. Most of these are from the 192 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 1: United States. We do have a few international statistics, but 193 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 1: it seems like those are a little harder to trust 194 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 1: just based on how they're gathered. But about two point 195 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 1: three million, um, I think this is complete cosmetic surgical 196 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:29,319 Speaker 1: procedures in the US, and I think it knows reshaping 197 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 1: is and was the most common. About three D fifty 198 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:37,439 Speaker 1: two tho nose jobs in the US far more women 199 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 1: two eight seven thousand compared to sixty five thousand men 200 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 1: and teens make up about of those. Nine year olds 201 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 1: make up thirty one. If you live out West, you're 202 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 1: more likely about a third of the nose jobs are 203 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 1: performed dot West. I don't know if that means, you know, 204 00:11:55,360 --> 00:12:00,319 Speaker 1: Los Angeles County and probably uh and then called Aasian 205 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 1: White people get way more nose jobs than anyone else 206 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 1: by a long shot. Seventy one of the nose jobs 207 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 1: in twenty were on Caucasians African Americans with just five percent, Hispanic, 208 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:16,079 Speaker 1: ten percent, in Asian Pacific Islander eleven percent. So if 209 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: you're a white American twenty five year old woman living 210 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: in Los Angeles, there's basically a hundred percent chance that 211 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 1: you're going to get a nose job. I think you 212 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 1: have to from what I'm seeing here. Um, what about internationally, Well, 213 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: like you said, the stats are a little wobbly compared 214 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: to the U. S A stats, But apparently Brazil is 215 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 1: number one, they're the leader, um, followed by Turkey and America. Um, 216 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 1: and then Argentina and Russia. This list, I've seen reference 217 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 1: elsewhere that Iran is actually number four behind Brazil, Mexico, 218 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 1: and America. So it's just it's just up for grabs. 219 00:12:56,120 --> 00:13:00,599 Speaker 1: Apparently the rhino plastic reporting standards around the world or 220 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 1: have have something to be desired. Sure, but let's just 221 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 1: say in the top five, six seven, you could definitely 222 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: have Brazil, the United States, Mexico, Iran, Turkey, that kind 223 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 1: of thing, right. I think that's because the way they 224 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 1: count rhino plasty around the world is they just have 225 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,559 Speaker 1: a little like a suggestion box type thing on the 226 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 1: way out, and they say, well, you like to keep 227 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 1: track it? Who does this? To just write your real 228 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 1: name on a piece of paper and just stick it 229 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 1: in there, or we'll just trust you to do that. 230 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 1: There is a big mistranslation and they accidentally translated translated 231 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 1: not Schnas but SNAs confused everybody else. That's good. Uh, 232 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 1: should we take a break here and then dive into 233 00:13:44,800 --> 00:14:11,319 Speaker 1: the history. All right, let's do it. So, Chuck, I 234 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: made reference before about living in six hundred or the 235 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 1: seventh century BC. Um, and maybe you were undergoing a 236 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: rhino plastic operation because you had your nose removed as 237 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: a punishment. Um. That's actually where rhino plastic began. Like, 238 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: it's not like there was some ridiculously primitive procedure that 239 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: somebody tried once and then the idea was lost for 240 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 1: a couple of thousand years, and then it got developed 241 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 1: in the nineteenth century by some British guy. That's not 242 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 1: at all how it happened. There was an Indian surgeon 243 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 1: named sush Rida, which is not his name is actually 244 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: an adjective that means renowned. But Sushrita is considered the 245 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 1: father of cosmetic surgery, and that this guy was not 246 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 1: only performing cosmetic surgery like rebuilding noses from nothing, um, 247 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 1: he was documenting it too, in in medical texts that 248 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: he wrote that survived, and he created a technique called 249 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 1: the Indian flap that was still in use into the 250 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 1: twentieth century. Is that how it's pronounced his name, Sushrida. 251 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 1: Mm hmm, that's what I'm going sus Shrewda. I mean 252 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 1: that's you. I guess I'm in the mood for a margarita. 253 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 1: I'm in the mood to do a little dance called 254 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 1: the Indian flap because that sounds like a lot of 255 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 1: fun at a party. Um, the surgical procedure not so fun. 256 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 1: I mean, should we read part of this? Yes? Or 257 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: should we read all of it? I think it's it's worthwhile. Yeah, alright. 258 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 1: So this was a description of the Indian flap technique 259 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: from Sa Shrewda aka Sashrida himself. The portion of the 260 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: nose to be covered should be first measured with a 261 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 1: leaf as you do. Uh. Then a piece of skin 262 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 1: of the required size should be dissected from the living 263 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 1: skin of the cheek, which is super advanced. Still what 264 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 1: I mean scrafting right right, and it's leaving bud supply 265 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: coming from the cheek. Still yeah, very smart, very good. 266 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: Uh So we're we're approving of these surgical methods, year 267 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 1: old surgical methods. You know, we're we're in a position 268 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: to do that. We live in the twenty one century, baby, yeah, exactly. Uh. 269 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 1: Let me see, uh dissected from the looming skin in 270 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 1: the cheek and turned back to cover the nose, keeping 271 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 1: a small uh pedical attached to the cheek, which is 272 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 1: what you referenced. The physician should then place the skin 273 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 1: on the nose and stitch the two parts swiftly, keeping 274 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 1: the skin properly elevated by inserting two tubes of ronda, 275 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 1: which is a castor oil plant, and the position of 276 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 1: the nostrils so that the new nose gets proper shape 277 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 1: when the skin has united and granulated. If the nose 278 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 1: is too short or too long, the middle of the 279 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 1: flap should be divided and an endeavor made to enlarge 280 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 1: or shorten it so it sounds like they're just taking 281 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: part of the cheek, folding it back over into itself 282 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 1: to meet the other part with a tube in the 283 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 1: middle and then having it grow together, right, yeah, two 284 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 1: tubes tubes. Yeah, and they still do that today. They 285 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 1: use um stents to hold to to have the the 286 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 1: procedure hold its place or shape afterward, um, and they 287 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 1: leave it in there to until it heals. So like 288 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:22,360 Speaker 1: this guy was basically it's like that saying, I can't 289 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:25,680 Speaker 1: remember where it came up, but um, somebody was describing 290 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 1: how advanced this development was or whatever development it was 291 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: right out of the gate where they said that they 292 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 1: basically invented the airplane fully functioning with like trade tables 293 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 1: for in flight meals and everything. Like totally, this guy 294 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: like just figured it out from the outs. And it's 295 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:48,439 Speaker 1: not like we're taking you know, the skin from your 296 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: cheek today and using that um to to um to 297 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 1: build a brand new nose that would probably actually be 298 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:57,680 Speaker 1: more likely to take it from other parts of your body. 299 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:01,719 Speaker 1: But the concept are still very much the same. And 300 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: it's weird to think that rhino plastic has been around 301 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:09,400 Speaker 1: kind of unchanged for almost three thousand years. Yeah, And 302 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 1: just to reiterate, so it's clear, this is the procedure 303 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 1: when there was no more nose because it had been 304 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: completely cut off so they're really starting from zero and 305 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:20,879 Speaker 1: forming a new nose. Uh. And yeah, it's pretty amazing. 306 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 1: And I'm sure compared to what I mean, no matter 307 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:26,880 Speaker 1: the result, it probably looked better than what they had 308 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 1: going on before, would be my guess. Yeah. Um, so 309 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:36,160 Speaker 1: this uh, this, this technique made its way um through 310 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:40,160 Speaker 1: uh Egypt or out from India and to Egypt over 311 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 1: to Europe. Finally, um, where they were dealing with syphilis 312 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 1: outbreaks in the fifteen and sixteenth century, like you were mentioning, Um, 313 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 1: there's an Italian surgeon that made his contribution guests, bar actually, 314 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:56,680 Speaker 1: I think you should take this Gaspari Techlia Colzy very 315 00:18:56,760 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 1: nice and back. He said, I'm really going to advance this. 316 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: Instead of that skin from your cheek, I'm going to 317 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:06,360 Speaker 1: take it from your upper arm. So he just kind 318 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: of did a modified Indian flap, and I guess you'd 319 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 1: call that the Italian flap. But then finally in the 320 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 1: nineteenth century, Um, there were a couple of surgeons in 321 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:19,159 Speaker 1: the late nineteenth century who really kind of duke it 322 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 1: out for the title of father of plastic surgery, or 323 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:27,400 Speaker 1: at least aesthetic plastic surgery, because we got really good 324 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 1: at doing things like rebuilding noses using rhino plastic, and 325 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:34,879 Speaker 1: we got so good at that people started saying like, hey, 326 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 1: your nose is perfectly fine and it functions, but would 327 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:39,680 Speaker 1: you like to take a little off the top, And 328 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: cosmetic surgery was born. That's right. I believe the first 329 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 1: gentleman you're referring to is a michigan Er. Is that 330 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: what they call themselves? I think it's actually Gander. I'm 331 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 1: not kidding, yes, because I saw an interview with UM. 332 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: I can't remember their governor's name, but she had a 333 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:03,639 Speaker 1: sign that said like proud Michigander. Yeah, yeah, I know 334 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 1: the governor, Okay, Michigander. I like that. Seven. His name 335 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:11,880 Speaker 1: was John Orlando or Rowe. And this was I think 336 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:17,400 Speaker 1: technically the first paper about cosmetic nose jobs, called Correction 337 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 1: of the Pug Deformity. And then the next guy, he 338 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 1: had some fun nicknames. He was a Jewish German surgeon 339 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:32,360 Speaker 1: named Dr Jacques Joseph uh and his nickname was nos Joseph. 340 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 1: Pretty good. Yeah. He actually UM kind of ties into 341 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 1: our episode on World War One soldier masks. Do you 342 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:44,360 Speaker 1: remember that? Yeah? Yeah, I knew this wrong A bell 343 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:47,399 Speaker 1: I get the impression that he was probably working in 344 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 1: the same maybe the same campus that the guy who 345 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 1: led that mask department to to build masks for UM 346 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 1: soldiers who came back with UM facial differences from from 347 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 1: like bombs and bullets and stuff. Uh, this guy was 348 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 1: actually doing cosmetic surgery UM to help prepare those injuries. UM. 349 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: And he got interested eventually in making UM changes to 350 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: help uh Jewish Europeans fit in better. And we'll talk 351 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 1: a little more about that later when we talk about 352 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:25,880 Speaker 1: ethnic cosmetic surgery. But UM, that was kind of like 353 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 1: his evolution. He went from helping soldiers to kind of 354 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:32,639 Speaker 1: helping you know, wealthy citizen re in Europe. Uh. And 355 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 1: because of that, because this guy showed that there was 356 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:38,440 Speaker 1: a huge demand that no one realized was actually there 357 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: before a huge explosion of I don't know, Charlatan's ne'er 358 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 1: do wells, shiftless slackers, snake oil salesman. I'm sure um 359 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:53,439 Speaker 1: who who figured out like, hey, I'll just give this 360 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,119 Speaker 1: a shot. How hard can it be? Um? And the 361 00:21:56,600 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 1: rise of the beauty doctor came along. Yeah, the beauty doctor. Uh, 362 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:04,120 Speaker 1: it's sort of a contradictory name, I would imagine because 363 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:10,959 Speaker 1: these were the unlicensed practitioners out patient knows jobs like hey, 364 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 1: I've got some paraffin wax, let me inject that in there, 365 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 1: because that's a great idea. Just don't go out in 366 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 1: the sun. And it's also carcinogenic. So this was you know, 367 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 1: a very sort of um cut rate job that you 368 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,719 Speaker 1: didn't have to pay a lot of money for and 369 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: it's probably the you know, the expectation was not great, 370 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 1: but it was at a time where I guess, you know, 371 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:38,880 Speaker 1: legitimate plastic surgery was just entering the fray, so people 372 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 1: didn't know any better, and so there were a lot 373 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 1: of bad, bad outcomes. I think from these beauty doctors. 374 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,400 Speaker 1: What what's nuts to me, Chuck? Is this still going 375 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 1: on today with button augmentation. There's a lot of underground 376 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 1: like unlicensed people who use non medical stuff like silicone 377 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: and pump it into people's bots to like make your 378 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:04,879 Speaker 1: butt bigger. Um, And it's cheaper. Like you said, it's 379 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,679 Speaker 1: much cheaper because their unlicensed and they kind of know 380 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 1: what they're doing from experience. But they also have no 381 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 1: way of getting you to the hospital. They're not doing 382 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: this in the hospital, and some people have died. I 383 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 1: wrote about a mother daughter team who killed a woman 384 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,400 Speaker 1: because they injected silicon and they accidentally got it into 385 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,400 Speaker 1: her muscle, which introduced to the bloodstream and killed her 386 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 1: within an hour or so. Um, it is really sad. 387 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,159 Speaker 1: Um And apparently there's been other people who died like this, 388 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,160 Speaker 1: so it's still going on. But as far as rhinoplasty 389 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:37,199 Speaker 1: is concerned, I'm pretty sure it's widespread enough and just 390 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,399 Speaker 1: affordable enough that people aren't going to underground surgeons like 391 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 1: they were in the nineteenth century for it. Yeah. I 392 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,160 Speaker 1: mean it's sad that that still exists and that people 393 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 1: can get away with doing this stuff like out of 394 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:50,879 Speaker 1: their houses, you know. Um, So things boomed in the 395 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 1: nineteen fifties in the US, like you were talking, and 396 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 1: I guess now comes the time where we talk a 397 00:23:55,520 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: little bit about the procedure itself and the nose itself. Um, 398 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,199 Speaker 1: it's a little you know. What really helps is if 399 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 1: you're not driving a car or something, if you can 400 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 1: just look up sort of a a profile of the 401 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 1: nose that's labeled for the different parts, which Dave Ruse 402 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 1: put this together for us, right, Yeah, he did did 403 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 1: a great job too. Yeah, Dave was kind enough to 404 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 1: actually include a picture like this, which really helps kind 405 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,160 Speaker 1: of break it all down. Um, you've got your upper 406 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 1: third of the nose, which is the nasal bone, and 407 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,639 Speaker 1: his and his just you know, that's where the bone is. 408 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 1: That's where if you get your if you get popped 409 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,919 Speaker 1: in the square in the nose with somebody's fist and 410 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,160 Speaker 1: you break your nose, you're breaking that nasal bone because 411 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 1: almost all of the rest is what's known as cartilage, 412 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 1: which is just you know, that's what that's the shape 413 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 1: that you're seeing, and that's why you can squish on 414 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 1: the front of your nose and your nostrils and it's 415 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,199 Speaker 1: you know, it just feels like, uh, what does it 416 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,719 Speaker 1: feel like? Help me out. It feels more rubbery than 417 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 1: the top part of it. Rubbery. There you go. And also, 418 00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,440 Speaker 1: even if you don't have a phone or you can't 419 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 1: look at pick sures right now, you can feel the difference. 420 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: Like if you pinch the bridge of your nose and 421 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 1: just kind of slide it down past about a third 422 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 1: of the way down towards the tip and just kind 423 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: of move it, wiggle it back and forth, you can 424 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 1: feel that's bone that's not moving, that's cartilage. That's that's 425 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 1: gonna move. It's gonna do the Indian flap. If you 426 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:22,200 Speaker 1: move on a sneeze, don't make me sneeze. Just put 427 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 1: your corn applicat roof them off. Is that supposed to work? Actually? Yeah, 428 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:30,360 Speaker 1: it also works for ice cream headaches too. Okay, man, 429 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,879 Speaker 1: we're just slaying the knowledge today. Uh So, then you've 430 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: got your rate x R A D I X. This 431 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:40,199 Speaker 1: is the built up cartilage um over the ridge of 432 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,440 Speaker 1: your nose. And this is where you might get like, 433 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 1: if you have a hump on your nose, it's probably 434 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,399 Speaker 1: gonna be on that rate x. And this might be 435 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 1: something that people choose to get flattened out. Yep. You 436 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,719 Speaker 1: also have um. One of the more interesting pieces of 437 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:57,880 Speaker 1: your body that I didn't realize the name of it, 438 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 1: but I love it now that I know it, the columella, 439 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 1: which is the little skin between your two nostrils, the 440 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,400 Speaker 1: little kind of vertical strip of skin that separates your nostrils. 441 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 1: And I thought that was a septim. I learned all 442 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,679 Speaker 1: kinds of stuff when I did that, the septims inside 443 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: your nose. The columella is the part you can actually touch. Yeah, 444 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,440 Speaker 1: so just touch the little piece of skin between your 445 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 1: your nose and my friend, you're touching your columella. That's right. 446 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 1: The septums up inside your nose above that, and it 447 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:36,160 Speaker 1: actually continues the separation of your nostrils in your nose. Yeah, 448 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,440 Speaker 1: and see, I always thought because I just I never 449 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 1: knew much about this stuff or looked into it because 450 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 1: I have a great nose. But I always thought a 451 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 1: deviated septim meant that that that the septum was actually 452 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,880 Speaker 1: like had a hole in it. Can that's perforated? Really though, 453 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 1: that can happen to the habitual cocaine use. Well, yeah, 454 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: you always heard that story about make Jagger, which is 455 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:01,880 Speaker 1: probably not even true. His septom all out or something. Yeah, 456 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 1: like he had it like it was completely dissolved at 457 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,919 Speaker 1: some point. That, No, that can't happen. I saw a 458 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 1: study where out of like a hundred and four cocaine 459 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 1: users who used like ten or more times a month, 460 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 1: just a pretty heavy cocaine user, um like ten of them, 461 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 1: ten percent had had a perforated septum. And that eventually 462 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 1: gets so perforated that your septum can just kind of 463 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:27,399 Speaker 1: fall in and your your actual nose can collapse Yeah, 464 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 1: I think I wasn't saying that that's not possible. I 465 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 1: just doubted that it was Mick Jagger does. It just 466 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 1: seemed like one of those far out celebrity rumor things. 467 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 1: But who knows. He certainly, you know, was familiar with 468 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,399 Speaker 1: that drug at one point. It's it's like the time 469 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:47,359 Speaker 1: Reggie Jackson slash Eddie Murphy slash Lionel Richie told that 470 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,639 Speaker 1: lady of the elevator to sit down, but it was 471 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 1: actually do she was talking. He was talking to you 472 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 1: refer to our episode on Urban Legends from a gazillion years. Uh, 473 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 1: and then what wait, we're missing one more piece? Oh, 474 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 1: just the tip, just the l R A L A 475 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:07,160 Speaker 1: R cartilage is the tip there? And uh, that's where 476 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 1: you know, if your tip turns up a little bit, 477 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 1: they call that the pug deformity, or they did back then. 478 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 1: I'm I'm not sure what they would call it now, 479 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 1: a cute button nos, acute button nos, or if it 480 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:19,639 Speaker 1: has a little tiny hook at the end. Uh, I 481 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 1: might want to get that done, who knows, who knows? 482 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 1: I mean, that's there's few more personal decisions to whether 483 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,399 Speaker 1: you get a nose job or not. Yeah, Like I 484 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,160 Speaker 1: almost can't think of one, and by almost, I mean 485 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,960 Speaker 1: I can't. Right. So you've got all these different parts 486 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 1: of the nose and we went over and because they 487 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 1: all kind of come into play, um, depending on what 488 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 1: you're going to do. But um, you know, one of 489 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 1: the one of the leading reasons people go in for 490 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 1: rhino plasty is to get their nose reduced in size 491 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 1: in some way, shape or form. You can also increase 492 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 1: the size of your nose. Um. One very common um 493 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 1: uh type of I know plastic is where you actually 494 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 1: elongate the nose to have it come further off of 495 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 1: your face, so that in relation to your face, your 496 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 1: nose appears narrower. Even though they haven't sized down your nose, 497 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 1: they just made it longer, which makes it seem narrower. 498 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 1: A lot of this is kind of optical illusion. Yeah, 499 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 1: that's called projection rhinoplasty, and that obviously is going to 500 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 1: require you graph something from another body part or from 501 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 1: a cadaver. That happens as well. Yeah, I'm not sure 502 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 1: why they would do that instead of one of your 503 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 1: own unless you didn't want any of the rest of 504 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 1: your body being removed. I don't I don't know who knows, 505 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 1: but they, Yeah, they definitely do. They'll use that from cadavers. 506 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 1: They they can use it from rib cartilage, septum, cartilage, 507 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 1: your cartilage. There's a lot of places they can harvest 508 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 1: cartilage from, and you don't need a lot. I think 509 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 1: I get the very distinct impression that a little bit 510 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,720 Speaker 1: of rhinoplasty goes a very long way, and I think 511 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 1: that's true. I don't know if if really kind of 512 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 1: harped on this or not, Chuck, but remember when you 513 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 1: said plastic coast means plastic or to shape or to 514 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 1: mold in that sense. That's something I think we should 515 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 1: point out because for a very long time, I always 516 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 1: thought plastic surgery meant that they were inserting like plastic 517 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 1: stuff in there. Yeah. I think a lot of people 518 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 1: thought that. Yeah, interest all right, Now they mean plastic 519 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 1: in the term of something being able to be molded 520 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 1: or bend or changed or shaped. That's what they're using. 521 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 1: The term plastic force. There's no plastic use. They're using cartilage, 522 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 1: they're using bone. They're removing cartilage, they're removing bone, and 523 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 1: depending on where you remove cartilage or where you remove 524 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 1: bone has a huge effect on the overall appearance in 525 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 1: shape and size of your nose. That's right. Uh. The 526 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 1: it's a bit of a misnomer that you have to 527 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 1: have your nose broken to have rhinoplastic That is usually 528 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 1: not true, although it can be. Uh. They've really come 529 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 1: a long way over the years and how and kind 530 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 1: of like with every surgery with it's as non invasive 531 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 1: as it can get these days. And there are a 532 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 1: couple of different types. There are open and closed rhinoplasts, 533 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 1: and they each have their advantages. Both open type. You're 534 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 1: gonna make that incision and the columbula, I think columella, man, 535 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 1: I really mess that up. Uh. And that is that 536 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 1: thin strip of skin that you talked about between your nostrils. 537 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 1: It's a little incision there and then you can access 538 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 1: the cartilage from that point and the bone through that 539 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 1: single incision. Uh. They like this when it takes a 540 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 1: little longer for the swelling to go down, I think, 541 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 1: and you might have a little have a little bit 542 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 1: of a scar, but I think this is the one 543 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 1: that they prefer to use when you need a little 544 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,800 Speaker 1: more work done than usual, a little more cartilage, right, 545 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 1: because cutting that columella allows them to lift the skin 546 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 1: off of your nose and access it more readily. So 547 00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 1: if they're doing extensive work, this is just gonna make 548 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 1: it easier for them, which just the thought of that 549 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 1: makes me want to faint, But that's what they do. 550 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 1: The closed version makes me want to faint only slightly less. 551 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 1: But they actually go into your nostrils and up to 552 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 1: a certain point depending on where they're going to be 553 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 1: doing work, and they make an incision at each nostril, 554 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 1: which then that allows them access to the cartilage and 555 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 1: the bone along the nose um, and that has a 556 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 1: much quicker recovery time compared to the open rhino plastic. 557 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 1: Like you were saying, right, and you're not gonna have 558 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 1: a visible scar because it's up in your little mastres. Right. 559 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 1: That is something like even though you're not getting your 560 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 1: nose broken, if you get an open rhino plastic and 561 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 1: probably just about any type of cosmetic rhinoplasty um, you 562 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 1: are going to have a recovery time where you basically 563 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 1: want to set aside two weeks to where you can 564 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 1: just take care of yourself at home, um, because you're 565 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 1: going to look very much beaten up with black eyes. 566 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 1: Your nose is going to be extremely sensitive. One of 567 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 1: the things I saw that you're supposed to do during 568 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,960 Speaker 1: recovery is to avoid blowing your nose. The thought of 569 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 1: that makes me want to faint too. Blowing your nose 570 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 1: after rhinoplastic um. You want to eat soft foods, brush 571 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 1: your teeth, chasy. Yeah, you don't want to sneeze because 572 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 1: again you're gonna have stents in your nose that are 573 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 1: holding the shape, that are keeping the sutures from coming out. 574 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 1: And um, you're basically after mouth breathe. Uh. And that's 575 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 1: I mean, that's from the rhin like cosmetic rhino plastic. 576 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 1: But there's actually other reasons to get rhino plast two 577 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,520 Speaker 1: that are medical reasons. And here's where your insurance kicks in. 578 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 1: That's right, we mentioned I mentioned the deviated septum. I 579 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,280 Speaker 1: thought it meant that it was completely like worn away 580 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 1: or there was a hole, which can be the case, 581 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:53,240 Speaker 1: but usually deviated septum more commonly, that is is when 582 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 1: the internal wall is uh. Instead of kind of straight 583 00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:00,920 Speaker 1: vertically down the center, which you to like sort of 584 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:04,480 Speaker 1: clear airways for the nasal passages, it's moved over to 585 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,240 Speaker 1: one side a little more so you've got one nasal 586 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,960 Speaker 1: passage that has very little room, and I would assume 587 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 1: the other has more room, right, not to an advert way, 588 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,080 Speaker 1: but I guess, I guess it can depends on what's 589 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:20,960 Speaker 1: going on with the septum. But yeah, I guess like 590 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,600 Speaker 1: a three car garage, you know, with you So I'm 591 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:28,920 Speaker 1: actually getting this done, right, Yeah, that's what that was 592 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,840 Speaker 1: the idea that sparked this episode. Actually, Okay, So I 593 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,440 Speaker 1: went in for a consolt, Chuck, and I saw my 594 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:39,319 Speaker 1: septum and one of them, the the p A was like, 595 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 1: I I can't even get the camera back there. Your 596 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,960 Speaker 1: septum is so pressed up against the the inside of 597 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,040 Speaker 1: your nose. Um. She didn't say the other one was 598 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,719 Speaker 1: wide open, although you know, I can tell I can 599 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,719 Speaker 1: actually breathe through it. But so I went in and 600 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 1: got a CT scan and now I'm waiting for them 601 00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 1: to go over the results with me. But I'm pretty 602 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,000 Speaker 1: sure I'm going to beginning yet. And I'm scared to 603 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 1: death because it turns out a friend of mine didn't 604 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,200 Speaker 1: know this. Uh West, his name is West. He just 605 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,920 Speaker 1: got it done, and he said that recovery was like 606 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,239 Speaker 1: some of the worst days of his entire life. He 607 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,560 Speaker 1: said it was so rotten. He said his his throat 608 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,280 Speaker 1: was like gravel from mouth breathing. His nose is in pain. 609 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,880 Speaker 1: He had these stents in his nose, and apparently his 610 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,560 Speaker 1: doctor didn't tell him that he'd put stints in, so 611 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 1: West had no idea what was wrong. He just knew 612 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,280 Speaker 1: his nose fell all screwed up. And then he finally 613 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 1: went in for the the like the week later follow up, 614 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 1: and the doctor pulled the stints out and he said 615 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:38,879 Speaker 1: it was just the whish of air through his nose 616 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,160 Speaker 1: like he's never experienced before. He said he almost fainted 617 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:45,160 Speaker 1: from hyperventilating breathing. So I'm like, that's what I want. 618 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,040 Speaker 1: I'm willing to go through this for that. So um 619 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,600 Speaker 1: West scared me. And then another one of our listeners 620 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,960 Speaker 1: wrote in when I was talking about getting it done, 621 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,440 Speaker 1: who was like, you should get it done, but you 622 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,040 Speaker 1: should also go into it knowing how rough the recovery 623 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,400 Speaker 1: is because everybody downplays it. And so I'm I guess 624 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,960 Speaker 1: hopefully it's going to help me a little bit knowing 625 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,160 Speaker 1: to expect it. I think maybe it was so bad 626 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,920 Speaker 1: for them because they were caught off guard. And now 627 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,319 Speaker 1: if I'm expecting the worst. It might not be as bad, 628 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:16,560 Speaker 1: but I'm I'm gonna go get it done. Good Yeah, 629 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 1: and good luck. Thanks. I'm sure it'll be fine. Let 630 00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:22,040 Speaker 1: me ask you a couple of follow ups. Uh so, 631 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,520 Speaker 1: if you like, hold the good side, if you pinch 632 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,399 Speaker 1: the good side down, can you breathe it all through 633 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:33,680 Speaker 1: the other side A little? A little? Not much? Man, 634 00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:37,319 Speaker 1: That must be frustrating to live with. It is. Um, yes, 635 00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:39,680 Speaker 1: it is, but I didn't. I just thought it was 636 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,680 Speaker 1: normal until I got diagnosed with the deviated septum, and 637 00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,959 Speaker 1: then I was like, oh okay, And I actually asked 638 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,160 Speaker 1: the doctor who diagnosed me, like, dude, how did I 639 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:49,680 Speaker 1: get that? He's like, I don't know. Maybe your mom 640 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:51,200 Speaker 1: dropped you on the head. You got in a fight 641 00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,480 Speaker 1: when you were little. And I was like, I know 642 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:57,000 Speaker 1: the fight he's talking about. Really, my friends saw me 643 00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,200 Speaker 1: in sixth grade and I got into a fight and 644 00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,240 Speaker 1: the only time I've ever been punched in the nose, 645 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,919 Speaker 1: he punched me in the nose, and I guarantee that's 646 00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,919 Speaker 1: when I got a deviated septum. Psommy, we gotta track 647 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:10,760 Speaker 1: that guy. Yeah, make him pay for this. Yeah, yeah, 648 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,319 Speaker 1: he should mean financially, you know, not not ref him 649 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,839 Speaker 1: up right now. Of course we got to make him pay. 650 00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:20,000 Speaker 1: This is like I'm like Kanye and Ssommy's Pete Davidson. 651 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,279 Speaker 1: All right, so let me ask you this, and this 652 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,160 Speaker 1: may be too personal, but you know they talk about 653 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,080 Speaker 1: two birds one stone. If you go in, insurance will 654 00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:35,840 Speaker 1: cover the uh, the medical portion, the actual DVD ad sceptum. 655 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,680 Speaker 1: But while people are in there, sometimes they will choose 656 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,440 Speaker 1: to get a little work done that you have to 657 00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,200 Speaker 1: put the bill for. But I think the thinking is 658 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:48,200 Speaker 1: while you're in there, I never liked X about my nose. Like, 659 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:49,879 Speaker 1: I know you talked about not liking your nose. You're 660 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:51,440 Speaker 1: gonna do anything or do you even want to talk 661 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,640 Speaker 1: about that? Well, you know, I was looking at my 662 00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:58,080 Speaker 1: nose as recently as today just to ask myself that question, honestly, 663 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,400 Speaker 1: because like, it's not like I don't like I knows that. 664 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,000 Speaker 1: It just kind of took me many years to finally 665 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,560 Speaker 1: be like, I'm like, I'm fine with my nose. It's fine, 666 00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,400 Speaker 1: it's my nose. I'm I'm cool with it is what 667 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,319 Speaker 1: I look like. Your nose, um, thank you if you 668 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,200 Speaker 1: look at it a certain way in profile. I look 669 00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:16,160 Speaker 1: like a cartoon gangster, like from a Dick Tracy um strips. 670 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,879 Speaker 1: It kind of looks a little bit like that. But um, yeah, 671 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,359 Speaker 1: I so I. I actually was like, no, I'm not 672 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,600 Speaker 1: going to It's fine. I like my nose. I'm probably 673 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:30,600 Speaker 1: less opposed to it than I I was before I 674 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:34,640 Speaker 1: researched this episode. Um, but yeah, I don't think I'm 675 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:36,799 Speaker 1: going I'm definitely not this time around, but I don't 676 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,000 Speaker 1: think I probably ever will. Well, here's what you do. 677 00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,320 Speaker 1: As you're going under. You just slip a little sticky 678 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:47,080 Speaker 1: note into the surgeon's hand. Right, they'll unfolded, and it 679 00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,719 Speaker 1: just says, if you happen to get rid of a 680 00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,320 Speaker 1: little extra while you're in there by accident, I won't. 681 00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,759 Speaker 1: I won't be mad at you. Are you Are you 682 00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,600 Speaker 1: telling me that I should get a nose job? Is 683 00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,520 Speaker 1: that what I'm hearing from me? No? No, I was 684 00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,799 Speaker 1: just joking around, like like your No. I never thought 685 00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:05,000 Speaker 1: your nose was quote unquote big until you started talking 686 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,520 Speaker 1: about it. And then I mean, people look how they look, 687 00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:11,360 Speaker 1: and you don't like have any prominent nose features, like 688 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,080 Speaker 1: like a hump or anything, So I don't I never 689 00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:17,799 Speaker 1: thought you had a big nose. I guess I don't 690 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,440 Speaker 1: know where I got that idea. I think people look 691 00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:24,319 Speaker 1: at themselves obviously more critically, like I look how I look. 692 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,640 Speaker 1: I see myself in a picture, and I'm you know, 693 00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,680 Speaker 1: sometimes horrified at like to kind of shape them in 694 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,560 Speaker 1: right now. But you know, your friends and family walk 695 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:35,680 Speaker 1: around there, it's like, that's what you look like right now. 696 00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,040 Speaker 1: Well that's funny because I I think I trace my 697 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,200 Speaker 1: awareness of my nose back to Valentine's Day when I 698 00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,560 Speaker 1: was eight. My family always made a big deal out 699 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,360 Speaker 1: of Valentine's Day. We would say, we we put cards 700 00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,240 Speaker 1: on one another's chairs at dinner, and then have dinner 701 00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,080 Speaker 1: and we get to open our Valentine's Day cards, and 702 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,600 Speaker 1: I remember one from my mom and dad that said, 703 00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,320 Speaker 1: your nose is really big, but we love you anyway. 704 00:39:56,520 --> 00:40:02,719 Speaker 1: Happy Valentine's Day, Mom and Dad. What I'm just kidding. Okay, 705 00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,600 Speaker 1: that was good. You got me. I don't know where 706 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:06,279 Speaker 1: I got the idea that my nose is big, but 707 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,520 Speaker 1: I'm pretty it's pretty well seated in my my idea 708 00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:13,719 Speaker 1: of myself. All right. Well, that's very wonderful of you 709 00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:15,960 Speaker 1: to be open like this, because this is the kind 710 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,000 Speaker 1: of stuff that people don't talk about a lot. I 711 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,680 Speaker 1: think it's true. That's true, I guess not, although I 712 00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:25,600 Speaker 1: think people are starting to talk about it more and more. Yeah, alright, 713 00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:29,000 Speaker 1: So before we take a break and finish up about 714 00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,879 Speaker 1: this whole idea of what's called racial passing, we will 715 00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:38,000 Speaker 1: just quickly mention how much these things cost all in. Generally, 716 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:42,319 Speaker 1: about five to nine to ten thousand dollars is what 717 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:47,960 Speaker 1: I've seen for rhino plastic. It depends on where you are. Yeah, 718 00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:52,759 Speaker 1: in Atlanta, it's in l A. The same thing is 719 00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,120 Speaker 1: going to cost you ten grand to fifteen grand, And 720 00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:59,279 Speaker 1: that's an average cost. There's definitely much higher um. But 721 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,000 Speaker 1: from what I'm being like, if you it's one of 722 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,160 Speaker 1: those things where you do your research and you find 723 00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:07,440 Speaker 1: the doctor that you feel comfortable with and you go 724 00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,480 Speaker 1: to them. Like, if you're spending ten grand on your nose, 725 00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:14,160 Speaker 1: you you probably can swing a couple of hundred bucks 726 00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:17,040 Speaker 1: maybe twice to go fly out to somewhere else in 727 00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,799 Speaker 1: the United States or somewhere else in Europe to go 728 00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,200 Speaker 1: to the doctor that you feel is going to do 729 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:26,080 Speaker 1: the best job. That's right, all right, So let's take 730 00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:29,400 Speaker 1: that break and we'll talk a little bit about ethnic 731 00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:56,360 Speaker 1: rhino plastic right after this. All right, Uh, this is 732 00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,319 Speaker 1: something we have to talk about. It's sort of one 733 00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,400 Speaker 1: of the uglier parts of this podcast episode, but we 734 00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,480 Speaker 1: have to cover things in full. And there are surgeons 735 00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:08,080 Speaker 1: who specialize in what's known as ethnic rhinoplasty, with the 736 00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:11,360 Speaker 1: idea that, uh, and there's really no other way to 737 00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,520 Speaker 1: say it, then they will augment your nose to look 738 00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:19,080 Speaker 1: more uh, European or Caucasian, if that's something that you're 739 00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:22,359 Speaker 1: looking for. Yeah, and I mean today it's this kind 740 00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:26,560 Speaker 1: of it's some I think in some ways it still 741 00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,600 Speaker 1: ties into this idea of you know, I could look 742 00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,959 Speaker 1: more beautiful than I do if I have this. It's 743 00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:37,080 Speaker 1: definitely a far cry from I need to pass or 744 00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,520 Speaker 1: fit in so I can get a job or marry 745 00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,840 Speaker 1: a husband, like it was in America in the fifties 746 00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:47,239 Speaker 1: and sixties as a big driver for nose jobs. Um. 747 00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:48,920 Speaker 1: But then I think if we trace it back to 748 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,719 Speaker 1: like the nineteenth century was Jacques Joseph Um, there was 749 00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,040 Speaker 1: this idea that you could you could judge a person's 750 00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:59,480 Speaker 1: moral character based on their nose. Right, Oh, absolutely, I 751 00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:03,600 Speaker 1: mean if you had just a very sort of um, 752 00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:07,080 Speaker 1: smallish straight nose. It was sort of a sign of 753 00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:10,279 Speaker 1: a higher class. If you had any sort of like 754 00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:14,040 Speaker 1: bumps or hooks to your nose, you were maybe someone 755 00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:17,520 Speaker 1: to not be trusted. And these all come from the 756 00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:21,320 Speaker 1: oldest like dirty ethnic stereotypes that have been around since 757 00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:25,560 Speaker 1: time in Memoriam and you know knows Joseph was one, 758 00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:27,799 Speaker 1: like you said, he was one of those doctors that 759 00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,440 Speaker 1: and these are their words that they're using, but you know, 760 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:34,919 Speaker 1: they called it the defect of Jewish uh nostrility, which 761 00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:39,279 Speaker 1: is an actual word, and it would help people, you know, 762 00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:43,319 Speaker 1: pass at a time when being Jewish was either looked 763 00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,359 Speaker 1: down upon or could threaten your life or like you said, 764 00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:50,000 Speaker 1: maybe uh lead you to not getting a job as 765 00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:53,320 Speaker 1: easily as you should based on your qualifications. Yep, dropped 766 00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,440 Speaker 1: the burg or the steam from your last stame and 767 00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,800 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you're just a playing Jane, average 768 00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:02,240 Speaker 1: American mid century Joe or Jane. That's right. So um, 769 00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,280 Speaker 1: that was actually like Jacques Joseph. And then the advent 770 00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:09,279 Speaker 1: of like readily available plastic surgery was it was like 771 00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:13,840 Speaker 1: hugely helped along, um by this idea that Jewish people 772 00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:15,799 Speaker 1: just kind of needed to do to do this and 773 00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,839 Speaker 1: apparently became such a rite of passage Chuck that by 774 00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:22,799 Speaker 1: like the fifties, sixties, seventies, eighties, like it was a 775 00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:27,000 Speaker 1: pretty routine sweet sixteen gift for Jewish girls in America 776 00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,479 Speaker 1: to get their parents would buy them a nose job. 777 00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:33,000 Speaker 1: That was just kind of how it went. Um, which 778 00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:38,040 Speaker 1: is extraordinarily sad. Um. But if you, if you kind 779 00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:39,960 Speaker 1: of can take that and hold it for a second, 780 00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:44,239 Speaker 1: it kind of highlights just how far the younger generations 781 00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:48,720 Speaker 1: of today have come in relation to that. Because moms 782 00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:52,440 Speaker 1: whose parents bought their nose job when they were sixteen 783 00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:54,840 Speaker 1: or like going to to offer it to their kids, 784 00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:58,239 Speaker 1: their daughters in particular now, and their daughters are like, 785 00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,399 Speaker 1: what are you crazy now them, I'm final with my nose. 786 00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,040 Speaker 1: I love my nose. Why do you not like my nose? 787 00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:05,239 Speaker 1: Leave me alone? Um? And that seems to be like 788 00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:09,719 Speaker 1: getting more increasingly prevalent. Yeah. I mean I think Generation 789 00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:13,400 Speaker 1: Z is uh leading the charge on accepting who you 790 00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,640 Speaker 1: are and what you look like and what you're shaped like. Uh. 791 00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,560 Speaker 1: And it's it's great. I mean, we're Generation X, so 792 00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:23,160 Speaker 1: we've we see that underneath us, and we came from 793 00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:26,600 Speaker 1: seeing boomers above us that had the moms and the 794 00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:28,880 Speaker 1: dads were like, hey, why don't you get a nose job, honey, 795 00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,359 Speaker 1: that kind of thing. So we're just sort of caught 796 00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,240 Speaker 1: in the middle in this, uh, in a no man's 797 00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:38,200 Speaker 1: land almost of the of this generational shift. It seems like, Yeah, 798 00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,080 Speaker 1: but I think there are plenty of gen xers that 799 00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:43,399 Speaker 1: followed in that tradition of of getting the nose job 800 00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,040 Speaker 1: around age sixteen or something like that. Well, yeah, I 801 00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:48,520 Speaker 1: think because the influence of the boomers. I'm not blaming 802 00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,680 Speaker 1: boomers for everything but us. In that article about the 803 00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:57,920 Speaker 1: actress Jennifer Gray and very famously had a larger nose 804 00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:01,440 Speaker 1: that I thought looked great and then had a surgery 805 00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:03,600 Speaker 1: where she had a very different notes completely changed the 806 00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:05,799 Speaker 1: way she looked. And she said in that article she's 807 00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,120 Speaker 1: talking about it a lot more now that her mom, 808 00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,560 Speaker 1: who was an actor, said, you know, she was the 809 00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:12,239 Speaker 1: one that encouraged her and said, honey, why don't you 810 00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,880 Speaker 1: go get this done. You'll be more easily cast in rolls. 811 00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,200 Speaker 1: And she did. And I think she feels like and 812 00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:22,000 Speaker 1: I think she's probably right suffered from her new nose 813 00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,239 Speaker 1: about not being cast. Yeah, the opposite happened of the 814 00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:28,680 Speaker 1: intended effect, where her her roles dried up. Like she 815 00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:33,360 Speaker 1: went from I'm a successful movie star with my nose 816 00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:36,359 Speaker 1: to changing her nose to not you know, to kind 817 00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,720 Speaker 1: of falling out of limelight and not getting work like before. 818 00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:42,600 Speaker 1: She says she regretted her um nose job, actually two 819 00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:44,600 Speaker 1: of them. She got two of them because she wasn't 820 00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:48,640 Speaker 1: happy with the first one, and she Um, I don't 821 00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:50,520 Speaker 1: know if she's ever toyed with the idea. I'm sure 822 00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,920 Speaker 1: she has, but I don't I didn't read it. But 823 00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:57,360 Speaker 1: there's a there's a trend among people who are dissatisfied 824 00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,480 Speaker 1: with having gotten a nose job, who are going back 825 00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,680 Speaker 1: to basically get what's called a reverse nose job, which 826 00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,640 Speaker 1: is as one I think cosmetic surgeon put it, putting 827 00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,480 Speaker 1: the bump back in. Yeah. And I don't think if 828 00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,600 Speaker 1: that's something that like a Jennifer Gray is considering anymore, 829 00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:16,319 Speaker 1: because she's kind of you know, uh close the loop 830 00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,040 Speaker 1: on that. But I think it's a pretty cool thing 831 00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:21,960 Speaker 1: that people are saying, go back and give me like 832 00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:26,279 Speaker 1: embracing themselves now. Um. As far as Jennifer Grey goes. 833 00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,319 Speaker 1: I mean, there's she was the crush of a lot 834 00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:33,400 Speaker 1: of dudes our age thanks to Dirty Dancing and Genie 835 00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:37,480 Speaker 1: Bueller Uh. And I remember when that happened, like she 836 00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:41,520 Speaker 1: just the new cycle wasn't as invasive back then in 837 00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,759 Speaker 1: a lot of ways, so I didn't I think I 838 00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,680 Speaker 1: didn't even know Jennifer Gray just kind of went away. Uh. 839 00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:48,440 Speaker 1: And then when I saw pictures of yours, you know, 840 00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,279 Speaker 1: when it I finally saw a photo of her with 841 00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:52,640 Speaker 1: the new nose, It's like, oh my god, is that 842 00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,719 Speaker 1: even Jennifer Gray, because it was just such a signature 843 00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:59,520 Speaker 1: look for her, And anyway, I loved Genie Bueler. That 844 00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,080 Speaker 1: is what I'm say. It is startling, the difference that 845 00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:04,359 Speaker 1: a nose job can make. Like if you look at 846 00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,520 Speaker 1: and there is a lot of before and after pictures 847 00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:12,440 Speaker 1: on the Internet of um Rhino Plassy, the it's incredible 848 00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,600 Speaker 1: the difference that it makes, the the effect that just 849 00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:19,200 Speaker 1: slight changes to the nose have on the entire look, 850 00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:23,240 Speaker 1: the entire face of the person that it very frequently 851 00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:26,160 Speaker 1: makes them look like an entirely different person. Jennifer Grace 852 00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,120 Speaker 1: definitely one of those people. She looks just like she 853 00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,839 Speaker 1: looks like a different person, and not like she looks 854 00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:32,520 Speaker 1: like a different person because she had a bunch of 855 00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:34,360 Speaker 1: work done. She looks like a different person because she 856 00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,200 Speaker 1: has a different nose now. And yeah, I think it 857 00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:40,239 Speaker 1: was just so characteristic of her. Um, she's not the 858 00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:44,400 Speaker 1: only one who regretted getting a nose job famous person. Um. 859 00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,960 Speaker 1: I believe Bella Hadid did as well. Um. I read 860 00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,200 Speaker 1: that she was quoted as saying that she wishes she 861 00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,680 Speaker 1: kept the nose of her ancestors because she thinks she 862 00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:56,359 Speaker 1: probably would have grown into it or grown to like it. Um. 863 00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:58,799 Speaker 1: And so I mean, at least there's options of going 864 00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,120 Speaker 1: back and getting it, you know, redone the way it 865 00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:04,080 Speaker 1: was before. But um, it's definitely it definitely gives you 866 00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:06,440 Speaker 1: pause to say, like, okay, if you if you're gonna 867 00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,680 Speaker 1: do this, like ask yourself, is somebody pressuring you to 868 00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:11,759 Speaker 1: do this? Um? Are you old enough to really kind 869 00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:15,040 Speaker 1: of make a decision like this, has your nose grown? 870 00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:16,920 Speaker 1: Are you old enough so that your nose has taken 871 00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:20,080 Speaker 1: what's probably going to be its final shape or your face? 872 00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:22,480 Speaker 1: There's a lot of questions for you to to to 873 00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:25,520 Speaker 1: really consider and if you go to a decent plastic surgeon. 874 00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:30,640 Speaker 1: They should be helping you consider these questions. Um, and 875 00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:34,160 Speaker 1: then lastly you got anything else, Well, I do think 876 00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,839 Speaker 1: we should mention Iranian women because you kind of tease 877 00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,120 Speaker 1: that out at the beginning. Uh, they have some of 878 00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:41,800 Speaker 1: the highest rates of rhinoplastic in the world, at a 879 00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:46,280 Speaker 1: hundred and eighty cases for every one hundred thousand. Uh people. 880 00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:49,080 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's says people and not women, 881 00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:53,279 Speaker 1: but either way, a very high rate. And uh, you know, 882 00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:55,000 Speaker 1: there was there was an article in the l A 883 00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:58,120 Speaker 1: Times and a woman from Tehran said women do nose 884 00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:00,640 Speaker 1: jobs in Iran because it's the only part of their 885 00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:03,040 Speaker 1: body they can show in society. We have to wear 886 00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:05,200 Speaker 1: a scarf over our hair, so we get a nose 887 00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:08,000 Speaker 1: job to make ourselves beautiful. And it starts in high school. 888 00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:12,480 Speaker 1: And but apparently even there, there were much more severe 889 00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:16,759 Speaker 1: rhino plastics perform in Iran in previous generations, much more 890 00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:22,040 Speaker 1: dramatic reshapings. And now there are more subtle changes that 891 00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:26,799 Speaker 1: still embrace the ethnic look of Iranian and Persian women. 892 00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:31,080 Speaker 1: So and that seems to be sort of happening everywhere. Yeah. Um, 893 00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:34,040 Speaker 1: so what I was hoping to bring up at least 894 00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,839 Speaker 1: to finish on is that UM because of all those 895 00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:39,000 Speaker 1: questions that you need to ask yourself, Like there's a 896 00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,759 Speaker 1: lot of concern about how how young should you be 897 00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,120 Speaker 1: before you start thinking about getting a nose job or 898 00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:47,240 Speaker 1: any kind of plastic surgery. And there's apparently a big, 899 00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:52,080 Speaker 1: big problem on TikTok where there's plastic surgery UM targeting, 900 00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:56,480 Speaker 1: like ads for plastic surgeons targeting UM users as young 901 00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:58,960 Speaker 1: as fourteen. I think business insiders set up like a 902 00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:02,920 Speaker 1: fake profile and set their age to fourteen, and they 903 00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,840 Speaker 1: scrolled for eight minutes before they started getting plastic surgery 904 00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:09,760 Speaker 1: videos served to them. And I guess TikTok band outright 905 00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:13,719 Speaker 1: plastic surgeon adds. But the plastic surgeons have figured out like, Okay, 906 00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:15,680 Speaker 1: well I'll just make a video talking about how great 907 00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:19,080 Speaker 1: plastic surgery is. And it's all basically the same UM. 908 00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:20,759 Speaker 1: So it's a it's a huge problem, and you can 909 00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,920 Speaker 1: understand like, if you're fourteen years old, that's probably not 910 00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,840 Speaker 1: a good time for you to be thinking solo about 911 00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,560 Speaker 1: whether you want a nose job or something like that. 912 00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:34,040 Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, I mean it's certainly a lot to 913 00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:37,640 Speaker 1: weigh for sure. Uh, without the help of a social 914 00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:40,960 Speaker 1: media giant pushing you one way or another, you know 915 00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:44,279 Speaker 1: that's right. Uh, well, Chuck said that's right, and he 916 00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:47,759 Speaker 1: already said he doesn't have anything else. So, uh, if 917 00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:50,600 Speaker 1: you want to know more about rhino plastic, go read 918 00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:53,040 Speaker 1: up on it, especially if you're considering getting it yourself. 919 00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:56,000 Speaker 1: Inform yourself. And since I said that it's time for 920 00:51:56,040 --> 00:52:02,120 Speaker 1: a listener mail, that's right to the listener. Man, we 921 00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:04,520 Speaker 1: tease and I think we should do you have it 922 00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:06,840 Speaker 1: pulled up. We should both kind of go through these, Okay, 923 00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:08,920 Speaker 1: since it's a long wind. We got a lot of 924 00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:12,399 Speaker 1: great grilled cheese tips from listeners, and the first one 925 00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:16,600 Speaker 1: we got was from Pablo Quintana, who said, when I 926 00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:19,960 Speaker 1: do grilled cheeses, I make them using manchego cheese or 927 00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:26,920 Speaker 1: whackin cheese, grilled olive oil tomato with butter on rye 928 00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:30,040 Speaker 1: or sour dough paired with either tomato, soup, clam chowder, 929 00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:34,359 Speaker 1: god lintil, super even chili, depending on the occasion. You're 930 00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:37,759 Speaker 1: doing it right. Yeah, Pablo knows what he's doing. Um So, 931 00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:41,960 Speaker 1: after Pablo, we have Robin Russo, who labels themselves a 932 00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:46,560 Speaker 1: Wisconsin cheese lover, they say, try spreading pure maple syrup 933 00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:50,040 Speaker 1: on the bread and use Colby cheese. Colby melt very evenly, 934 00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:53,440 Speaker 1: so it's perfect. The syrup gives the nice sweetness balanced 935 00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,000 Speaker 1: by the salt in the cheese, and then as an aside, 936 00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:58,200 Speaker 1: just to show off. Also, if you ever eat fresh 937 00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:01,760 Speaker 1: squeaky cheese curds, get them a cocktails shrimp sauce first. 938 00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:04,160 Speaker 1: It's so good you'll thank me later. So there's two 939 00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:07,920 Speaker 1: tips from Robin Russo. That sounds really good. That syrup 940 00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,319 Speaker 1: that sounds like something you could cut into quarters and 941 00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:16,440 Speaker 1: serve at a cocktail park. Yeah, it sounds so delicious. Uh. 942 00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:22,520 Speaker 1: Erica Erica Tyler says, use brioche bread if you're living 943 00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:25,839 Speaker 1: your best life, but normal bread will also work. Cover 944 00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:29,880 Speaker 1: the outside with butter, then dip that buttered side in parmesan. 945 00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:34,200 Speaker 1: The cheese inside is GOODA or munster both are delicious. 946 00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:37,680 Speaker 1: I learned this method from that Dude can Cook on YouTube. 947 00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:41,319 Speaker 1: Hats off to both. Ruth Ann l says, make your 948 00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:44,680 Speaker 1: grilled cheese, but add dijon mustard to the inside. Takes 949 00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:49,279 Speaker 1: it to an awesome level of omptuousness. Yeah, I'm not 950 00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:51,440 Speaker 1: under the mustard. But I bet mustard lovers would love 951 00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:55,520 Speaker 1: that for sure. Baard Swedman says, press a couple of 952 00:53:55,520 --> 00:54:00,080 Speaker 1: garlic clothes into a small bowl of cream cheese and 953 00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:03,680 Speaker 1: mix that. Uh, there you go, use that as your 954 00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:05,960 Speaker 1: cheese filler in a grilled cheese and you, my friends, 955 00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:09,799 Speaker 1: have entered flavor country. You can think Allison, who is 956 00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:13,680 Speaker 1: Baird's wife who introduced Baird to the podcast, and the 957 00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:17,520 Speaker 1: recipe that sounds really really awesome. I love cream cheese, 958 00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:19,920 Speaker 1: it doesn't it ties into A couple of other people 959 00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:23,680 Speaker 1: have sent in, including Virginia Bestwick of Alberta, Canada. So 960 00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:26,120 Speaker 1: she says, I like my grilled cheese with old cheddar 961 00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:29,160 Speaker 1: and garlic borson, And I think garlic boorson is like 962 00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:31,880 Speaker 1: it's like a cream cheese spread with garlic in it. 963 00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:35,600 Speaker 1: So that's kind of like Alison is doing the deconstructed version. 964 00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:39,719 Speaker 1: This makes me so hungry. Mike Frank says, this mayo 965 00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:44,080 Speaker 1: on one side, butter on the other, white cheese, cream cheese, 966 00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:48,200 Speaker 1: bread or better yet, borson. Uh is a Borsen or 967 00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:52,440 Speaker 1: borson all right? Creamy and tangy without throwing off the bread. 968 00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:56,160 Speaker 1: The bread cheese ratio boom. There you have it, good 969 00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:59,880 Speaker 1: old grilled cheese. Also love truugh truff hot sauce on 970 00:54:59,920 --> 00:55:03,280 Speaker 1: the grilled cheese. It's unique hot sauce made with truffles 971 00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:06,799 Speaker 1: and truffle oil, although we know that synthetic. Mike get 972 00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:09,200 Speaker 1: us into our episode on truffles. He said, it's pretty niche, 973 00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:11,719 Speaker 1: but really great on grilled cheese. Thanks for that, Mike. 974 00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:15,600 Speaker 1: And here's one from Jesse Lee of Taos, New Mexico, who, 975 00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:19,359 Speaker 1: over the deafening hum said, one of my favorite things 976 00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:22,279 Speaker 1: to dip a grilled cheese in is salsa. Try it 977 00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:26,080 Speaker 1: out with your next one and thank me later. Nice, simple, simple, 978 00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:30,200 Speaker 1: but awesome. But that's really good. Uh. This is a 979 00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:32,319 Speaker 1: professional chef and I'm gonna go to this restaurant. Want 980 00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:35,160 Speaker 1: to go to Savannah The bell Weather House in Savannah, Georgia, 981 00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:39,959 Speaker 1: And chef Ryan white Buck explains why mayo is better. 982 00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:42,759 Speaker 1: There's a little bit of a j Kenji Lopez alt 983 00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:46,520 Speaker 1: food science explanation which I always loved. Butter contains dissolved 984 00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:50,200 Speaker 1: milk solids that when melted, separate and can sog up 985 00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:53,360 Speaker 1: a slice of bread. Mayo, however, is oil and multified 986 00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:55,920 Speaker 1: with a very small amount of egg, yolk, mustard, and vinegar. 987 00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:59,240 Speaker 1: Using mayo for grilled cheese will crisp the bread without 988 00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:01,880 Speaker 1: sogging it up, and the mustard and vinegar will season 989 00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:04,839 Speaker 1: the sandwich with spicy and charred elements. These flavors, peared 990 00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:06,800 Speaker 1: with the hints of sweet from the bread and the 991 00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:10,880 Speaker 1: unctuous savory equality of cheese, paints a complete taste profile 992 00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:14,319 Speaker 1: for the baalate in a fashion similar to how complimentary 993 00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:17,200 Speaker 1: colors work. Very nice the more the Bell weather House 994 00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:20,160 Speaker 1: and Savannah Yeah for s out the food. Uh. And 995 00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:23,399 Speaker 1: then the last one is from Kayla ruhr Um and 996 00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:25,440 Speaker 1: she does not have a tip, but she has a 997 00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:29,200 Speaker 1: recollection from playing the Sims. She said. Starting in early 998 00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:32,680 Speaker 1: two thousand and eight, the Sims added a secret grilled 999 00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:36,440 Speaker 1: cheese aspiration to their little virtual lives. If you played 1000 00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:39,600 Speaker 1: the Sims, you could create a secondary aspiration in life 1001 00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:43,040 Speaker 1: which made your sim obsess over grilled cheese. If they cooked, 1002 00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:45,680 Speaker 1: they cooked that. If they painted, they painted grilled cheese. 1003 00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:48,440 Speaker 1: And in their backlog of precious memories, you'd see where 1004 00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:51,640 Speaker 1: they finally remembered a time where they ate grilled cheese, 1005 00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:54,800 Speaker 1: and the common underneath would read grilled cheese my favorite. 1006 00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:59,120 Speaker 1: Too funny, agreed Kayla, that is too funny and pretty interesting. 1007 00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:01,200 Speaker 1: I never knew that. And he actually said she's not 1008 00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:04,040 Speaker 1: sure if it's related to that two thousand seven craft money. 1009 00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:09,280 Speaker 1: Remember perhaps been like a billion plus on grilled cheeses. Yeah. 1010 00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:12,000 Speaker 1: The astute listener, by the way, unless Jerry cuts it out, 1011 00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:14,359 Speaker 1: will literally hear my stomach girl right then during that 1012 00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:18,200 Speaker 1: plus when Jerry, I hope you don't cut that out. 1013 00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:24,240 Speaker 1: Uh oh, that's it. If you want to be like Kayla, Ryan, Jesse, Mike, 1014 00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:29,680 Speaker 1: Virginia baired, Ruth, Anne, Erica, Robin, and Pablo and write 1015 00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:32,160 Speaker 1: to us with whatever you have to say, you can 1016 00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:36,240 Speaker 1: send it via email to Stuff Podcasts at iHeart radio 1017 00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:41,560 Speaker 1: dot com. Stuff you Should Know is a production of 1018 00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:45,040 Speaker 1: iHeart Radio. 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