1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: I Am all in again. Oh, I guess you. 2 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:23,439 Speaker 2: I Smell pop Culture with Eastern Allen and iHeartRadio podcast. Hey, everybody, 3 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:26,479 Speaker 2: do you smell that? Do you smell what I'm smelling? 4 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 2: My name's Easton Allen. This is I smell pop culture. 5 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:32,160 Speaker 2: That is what I'm smelling. Spoiler alert, I'm smelling pop 6 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 2: culture and you're smelling it too. This is the I 7 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 2: Am all In podcast where we celebrate Gilmore Girls. We 8 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 2: go to stars Hollow, we live amongst our favorite people 9 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:47,199 Speaker 2: and on this show. 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And that's what we're doing again this week. 28 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 2: This is a big one, everybody, This is a really 29 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 2: big one. We're going to season three, episode nineteen keg Max. 30 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 2: Remember that episode, Big House Party at Kyle's house. Lane's 31 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:49,919 Speaker 2: band is performing, So they're at the house, they're getting 32 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 2: set up, they're setting up the drums, and Zach tells 33 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 2: Brian move back more because when I do my double 34 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 2: jump kick off the amp with slashing windmills, I'm going 35 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 2: to need more room. And Lane says, well, don't do 36 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 2: that then, and then Dave says, yeah, sounds a little 37 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 2: too Milli Vanilli Zach, So, if you don't know who 38 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:12,079 Speaker 2: Milli Vanilli is, first of all, what's going on? What 39 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 2: is going on? Milli Vanilli. They're a pop duo Fab 40 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 2: mor Van and Rob pilattis in the late eighties, is 41 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 2: like nineteen eighty eight, they put. 42 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 1: Out an album. 43 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:26,360 Speaker 2: They put out a single called Girl You know it's true, 44 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 2: huge hit, seven million albums. They sell just this massive, 45 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:38,799 Speaker 2: massive hit. But there's one issue. Rob and Fab are 46 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 2: not the singers. You do not hear their voices on 47 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 2: that album. They were lip syncing, and Milli Vanilli kind 48 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 2: of became the poster boy for lack of a better term, 49 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 2: they became the example for lip syncing, for deception in music. 50 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:00,679 Speaker 2: It was a it's one of the crazy things that's 51 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 2: ever happened. It's really insane that this how this all 52 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 2: went down. They used studio performers to record the album, 53 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 2: and then Rob and Fab became the visual representation of 54 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 2: Millie Vanilli. So they would record, they would perform, and 55 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:21,919 Speaker 2: they'd have like a backing track that would play and 56 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 2: they would lip sync and they'd perform it visually. And they're 57 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:28,679 Speaker 2: incredible dancers, incredible performers, truly like remarkable, and that's why 58 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 2: they got so big is because of their presence. But 59 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 2: then it all kind of came out that they held 60 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 2: this press conference they announced that you are not listening 61 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 2: to us when you look at Milli Vanilla, who you 62 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 2: know is Milli Vanilli. They're not singing on this album, 63 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 2: and it just became this whole scandal. Everything stopped. Arista 64 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 2: Records deleted the album. They deleted it from there from 65 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 2: their catalog. That's the biggest selling album of all time 66 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 2: to be deleted by a record label. They won the 67 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 2: Grammy for Best New Artists. They to give that Grammy back. 68 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 2: I think that's the only time the Grammys have rescinded 69 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 2: in an award. 70 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: It's really crazy. 71 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 2: We're going to talk to fab more Van, one of 72 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 2: the guys from Billy Vanilli, the surviving member uh, and 73 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 2: we're going to find out how this happened. How does 74 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 2: it get to this point? How like did they sign 75 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 2: on to lip sync today? Know what was going on? 76 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 2: How did it feel when everything came out? There's so 77 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 2: it's so wild. It's such an interesting story, and we're 78 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 2: going to get to the bottom of it. Fab is 79 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 2: in the waiting room right now. We're going to bring 80 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 2: him in. We're not going to make him wait any longer. 81 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:36,599 Speaker 2: One of the greatest performers in all of pop culture history. 82 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 2: What is going on? Fab more Van, thank you so 83 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 2: much for doing this. 84 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 3: Pleasure to meet pleasure always a pleasure to to travel 85 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 3: down memory lane and do it in and now go 86 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 3: back in time and then bust and bleede, you know, 87 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 3: looking to what's going on in the future. You know, 88 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 3: I'm traveling is something very familiar with. So let's go. 89 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 2: I love it, and you know we'll get into this. 90 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 2: We have so much to talk about. 91 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 3: You. 92 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 2: You have one of the most fascinating stories of anyone 93 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:09,679 Speaker 2: in music of all time. It's just everything you've done 94 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 2: and been through is so interesting to me. And do 95 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 2: you say time traveling? Like it's so interesting how music 96 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 2: can do that? 97 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 3: Right? Like it? 98 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, it really can. And so many people listen to 99 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 2: Millie Vanilli and are brought back to such a specific 100 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 2: moment in time. But I want to go back to 101 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 2: the very beginning when you first met your collaborator, Rob plattis. 102 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: What was that like? When when did you guys meet? 103 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 1: Where did you meet? How that happen? 104 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:43,840 Speaker 3: We met long time ago in Munich, Germany, in Bevaria, 105 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 3: That's where we met. And when we met, we were 106 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 3: there were not many black people there, so here you go. 107 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,719 Speaker 3: You know, hip hop, the hip hop culture was rising. 108 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 3: He was a breakdancer. I used to do pop luck 109 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 3: but also was a trained answer and there lies I'll 110 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 3: come and interest. You know, hip hop graffiti, rap, breakdance, 111 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 3: pop in luck, you know, crush, grooven, hip hop movies 112 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 3: coming out at the same time, and we associated with 113 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 3: the culture very much and with each other because we 114 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 3: you know, we were black kids like in Europe and 115 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 3: this is how we just came together. 116 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 2: So like, was that like an instant thing when you 117 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 2: first met him, like like, oh, this is a guy 118 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 2: I'm going to work well with, where we're going to 119 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 2: be collaborators. 120 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:41,479 Speaker 3: Not really wow, And I was very competitive, you know, 121 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 3: like I was on his turf and he was like, 122 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 3: who's bad, dude? Because I was there with two other 123 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 3: friends from Paris, and it was like, hmm, okay, you know, 124 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 3: what does he want to do with Are they leaving? 125 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 3: Are they staying? And you eventually we talked about it, 126 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 3: and you know, he was really trying to to connect essentially. 127 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 3: But you know, when you don't know people, you kind 128 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 3: of become stand offish at first, and sometimes those are 129 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 3: the best relationships because you're like, it's kind of like feisty, 130 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 3: it's like competitive. But then once once we started talking 131 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 3: to each other, we started to realize everything we have 132 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 3: in common. We loved music, and we had to come 133 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 3: and dream and together we said, hey, let's put your energy, 134 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 3: let's put my energy, and let's see what happens. And 135 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 3: then of course fireworks. You know, we went to a 136 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 3: place like Wow and beyond, which you know sometime when 137 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 3: you think about manifestation, you know, we surely manifested that 138 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 3: thing because I even I even drew the costumes one 139 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 3: Christmas and said this is what we're going to wear. 140 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 3: And then we found that envelope years later and it 141 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 3: was exactly what we were wearing because we were involved 142 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 3: in many aspects of what we were doing and from 143 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 3: from you know, the show performance to the clothing design, 144 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 3: with the costs and designers and all that stuff. So 145 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 3: I believe in manifestation and the fact that I'm still 146 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 3: here right now. You know, it's something that I've willed 147 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 3: and it was unsure, you know, call it blind faith. 148 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 3: And certain deeds are photogrounds for creativity. But I use 149 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 3: creativity and music to keep me afloat, you know, really 150 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:32,559 Speaker 3: mentally physically. And that being said, I'm down traveler. That's 151 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 3: what I am. With music as my magic carpet. 152 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: I love it. 153 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 2: Wow that I mean, that manifestation story is incredible. So 154 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 2: you get approached by Frank Farian. Uh, yeah, the producer, 155 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:54,079 Speaker 2: and when you sign with him originally, and and what 156 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 2: you're talking about like making records and recording. Were you 157 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 2: and Rob under the impression like Bill that you guys 158 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 2: would record and you recorded girl? You know it's true 159 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 2: you recorded the music. But so so take me through 160 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 2: those early moments. 161 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, it's very simple. You know, you 162 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 3: have two young guys who have who've been working with 163 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 3: lower level producers in Munich, and you know, but we 164 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 3: were playing, we played a couple of games with live 165 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 3: musicians that we're working with Frank, and then Frank heard 166 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 3: about us, but we were known for performing and singing 167 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 3: and dancing at the clubs. So when he came and 168 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 3: went to his studio and looked at the gold records 169 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 3: on the wall, we were like, yoh, this is the 170 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:43,319 Speaker 3: right place man. And since love was not something that 171 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 3: there was not a lot of love at home, and 172 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 3: and then you had Frank Farren his assistant Ingrid, we 173 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:52,199 Speaker 3: were like, wow, this is the surrogate family we've been 174 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 3: looking for. So when the contract came on the table 175 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 3: and they gave us the last three page of the contract, 176 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 3: we didn't know that's not how it works. We felt like, okay, 177 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:06,199 Speaker 3: you got some money right there, it's on the table. 178 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 3: We're gonna be able to eat. Okay. Contract. There was 179 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 3: not a lot of money before us. It was like okay, 180 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 3: to give us money. That means this is real. You 181 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 3: know this is there was no management now, atturning no protection. 182 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 3: Were like the Gold Records, blinded by the light like wow, 183 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 3: we're gonna make it. Started making movies in our mind 184 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 3: like yo, it's gonna be all right. So when you 185 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 3: go back home, you spend that money and you wait, 186 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 3: You're like, what's up? What are they gonna call? So 187 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 3: you call them, Oh you need money? Yeah, kind of 188 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 3: all right, what you need? We we need that. So 189 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 3: they sent it to you in months after months that 190 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 3: this ad adds up to a sum that there was 191 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 3: a lot for us. So now I know you're going 192 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 3: to the next question, what happened? Well, we walked into that. 193 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 3: True that was said perfectly. They were recording. I found 194 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:07,680 Speaker 3: out later that they were recording. There were recording songs 195 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 3: with the original singers with Brad Awl and John Davis, 196 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 3: which I've been on stage with. We were working together 197 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 3: for about sixty seven years here in Europe and doing 198 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 3: shows together as a project called Faceman's Voice. So while 199 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 3: they were working on that, Frank was looking for guys 200 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 3: and that we fell into that. You know, we matched 201 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 3: perfectly his vision. And then when we were told like, hey, 202 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 3: you're not going to sing, We're like, well, no, thank you. 203 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:40,559 Speaker 3: But we as naive young kids and Rob was two 204 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:43,439 Speaker 3: years young older than me. It was my older brother 205 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 3: and speaking German, I mean I am in his home country. 206 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:49,680 Speaker 3: I'm listening to what he tells me. When we signed 207 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 3: the contract, it was like, I said, it's cool because 208 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 3: it was in German. I don't I didn't read German, 209 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 3: so you know, I studied German for one year, but 210 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 3: that was it. So I turned to him, We're cool. 211 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 3: He's like, yeah, yeah, we're cool. So he was the lead. 212 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 3: And then when they came to him and told him 213 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 3: this was the plan, he got pissed off. Tried to 214 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 3: explain to me because it was so emotional, and I'm like, 215 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 3: we're not doing that. And then they came back and say, hey, 216 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 3: money's not free. You know. In a few words, I'm paraphrasing, 217 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 3: but that's pretty much what it was. Like, Yo, we 218 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 3: give you money, so it's up like oh really. So 219 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 3: the quickest way to repay them was really to like, okay, 220 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 3: we do one song. But we were signed with three 221 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:36,679 Speaker 3: albums which we had no idea about options A single, one, two, three, 222 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:38,439 Speaker 3: we don't know. So we thought we'd do this one 223 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 3: song and then we out. Yeah, but when we thought 224 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 3: we were out and never heard from them and get 225 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 3: that record that just shoots off up the charts and 226 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:52,959 Speaker 3: then you're like, yo, that's that's us, but that's not us, 227 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:56,319 Speaker 3: but yeah, but that's us. And then suddenly the phone 228 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 3: start ringing and like, well, you know, you go into 229 00:12:59,920 --> 00:13:04,319 Speaker 3: it apprehensive, not knowing that they got a plan. You know, 230 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:08,199 Speaker 3: you stepped into a realm you're not familiar with. Stardom 231 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 3: is something that you don't know about, but it truly 232 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 3: is addictive. So once you step into that and certainly 233 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 3: you're at the focal point. And we never had problems 234 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 3: with ladies, yeah, never, of course, but when that came, yeah, 235 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:27,840 Speaker 3: it was like wow. And then suddenly you were on 236 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 3: stage and you were living your dreams. It was half 237 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 3: a dream, was dreams slash nightmare. But at first it 238 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 3: was a dream comes true and we were we didn't 239 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 3: know what the hell to deal with it. So when 240 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 3: the second single came, it was like, okay, we want 241 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 3: to sing, No, you can't. And then that's what we 242 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 3: realized that, So what do you do? You you don't 243 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 3: know what to do, so you stay in hoping that 244 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 3: you might get another opportunity to jump off and do something. 245 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 3: But from the first album to the fourth single, we 246 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 3: had no idea where we were going, and there was 247 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 3: no protection, no support, no one to say, hey, I'll 248 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 3: protect you. There was nobody, you know, And I think 249 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 3: that's the movie shows that because we were bigger than life. Yeah, 250 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 3: and you know, when you're bigger in life, people tend 251 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 3: to believe that you're not really truly human even you know, 252 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 3: they think you're touchable. Life is beautiful. When we were 253 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 3: in a cage, it was a golden cage, but it 254 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 3: was still a cage. And also, yeah, it was a 255 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 3: tough one to navigate. 256 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 2: How did you How many times did you perform the 257 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 2: song live, like with the backing track, Like was that 258 00:14:57,920 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 2: were you performing a lot at that point or was 259 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 2: is it not that? 260 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: Yeah? 261 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, man, we were we were just like a just 262 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 3: like a pilot. You know, you've got to make those hours. 263 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 3: We did those hours. Man, it was you know, we 264 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 3: did him and did it and did it. And then 265 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 3: we went from the MTV MTV tour to line and 266 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 3: you know, being at the head of our tour, you know, 267 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 3: and doing one hundred and seven cities in eight months, 268 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 3: thirty thousand people almostly. That was crazy. And I gained 269 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 3: a lot of experience as a result of doing all that. So, 270 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 3: you know, I felt like I had a dream. I 271 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 3: strayed away from the dream. I knew that, but I 272 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 3: was like, I want to stand there because I don't 273 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 3: know what else I can do, what else I'm going 274 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 3: to do? 275 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 2: I mean, anyone would have you know, when you're faced 276 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 2: with that, anyone would have done that, you know. And 277 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 2: the thing that's so interesting to me is that you 278 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 2: and Rob are skilled, incapable singers, like you got you know, 279 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 2: you're you are, You're incredible singers. So I must have 280 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 2: been so frustrating, especially to not be able to like, like, 281 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 2: this isn't our voice. We have voices and we can 282 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 2: show it off. 283 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 3: It was frustrating, and it was so frustrating that, you know, 284 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 3: Rob became dissillusioned with what was going on. Was how 285 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 3: it was going down. But also the rumors were coming, 286 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 3: the jokes would come in, and because of the secret 287 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 3: as first was very it was very light to carry. 288 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 3: That's what I talked about. At first, it was like drink, 289 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 3: I'm through wow doing this. But then you start to realize, like, yo, 290 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 3: we're not only lying to the fans, which we adored 291 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 3: and love and did everything to give them like the 292 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 3: best of time, but we're lying to ourselves. So in 293 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 3: the end, when the party leaves, you know, you do 294 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 3: two things the same. You know, you go to bed, 295 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 3: brush your teeth, wash your face, and you look in 296 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:11,880 Speaker 3: the mirror, you know, and that's like, m that ain't right. 297 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:14,359 Speaker 3: You wake up in the morning and then you feel 298 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 3: the same that you felt before you went to bed, 299 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 3: and that was like the vicious circle. But once someone 300 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 3: knocked on the door, he showtime, or like yeah, we 301 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 3: gotta get ready, man, you gotta get on the bus. 302 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 3: Like you just clicking, and life was going so fast 303 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 3: that you you never had time to just slow down. 304 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 3: So you go on this roller coaster hoping that maybe 305 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:39,160 Speaker 3: someone is going to save you. But then I look 306 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:44,880 Speaker 3: at my bro and I'm like, I want to save him. 307 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 3: And I'm doing everything I can't, but it doesn't seem 308 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,880 Speaker 3: like you want to be saved. Until I realized later 309 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 3: that you can't save nobody. They have to save themselves. 310 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 3: So when I kind of got that, you know, it's like, okay, well, 311 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 3: I guess it's time for me to take care of myself, 312 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 3: you know. Unfortunately, you know, Rob passed away, and that 313 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 3: was very traumatic because for a long time I felt 314 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:14,639 Speaker 3: like I didn't do enough. You know, you're kind of 315 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:19,719 Speaker 3: blaming yourself for for your bal you know, partying. You know, 316 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 3: it's like you're partying, but you're not even able to say, 317 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 3: hey man, it was great, you know, to just say 318 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:29,400 Speaker 3: last words. And that's like the weirdest thing ever. 319 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 2: That must have been so difficult to process when that 320 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:43,199 Speaker 2: when when Rob passed, And so in nineteen ninety, the article, 321 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 2: you know, you do the interview, the article comes out, 322 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 2: you do the press conference. Everything is kind of now 323 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 2: it's like out in the open. Everybody knows. I just 324 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:59,160 Speaker 2: the like Arista deleting the album, giving back the Grammy. 325 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 2: It's it's so wild, it's so crazy that this happened. 326 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:10,120 Speaker 3: You know, it's like it's hypocrisy at its finest. Yeah, 327 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 3: you know, that's it because they made they made a 328 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 3: lot of money. We're talking past three hundred four hundred 329 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:27,640 Speaker 3: million dollars right that money was reinvested in other ventures. 330 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 3: And I'm not going to go too deep in there, 331 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 3: you know, but it's it's it's in a Wall Street journal. 332 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 3: All those things are written, you know when someone when 333 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 3: when a businessman makes money, extra amount of money, then 334 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:43,360 Speaker 3: he's going to invest it in other ventures. That's what happens, 335 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 3: you know. But the fact that we were the last, 336 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:49,920 Speaker 3: the small links, the smallest link in the chamber of 337 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 3: the most forward, you know, because we were the artist. 338 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 3: And then in the end it's like Robin fact were blamed. 339 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:01,399 Speaker 3: We're blamed for everything. My problem, my issue that I 340 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 3: have still have today, you know, thanks to my emotional intelligence, 341 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 3: I've grown true generally is you go to school. You know, 342 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 3: you go to school, you do it, you make and 343 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:17,680 Speaker 3: you do an Oh, there's an oath, and that oath 344 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 3: consists of you know, uh, investigating and partially each in 345 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 3: every character in the story. But that's not what happened. Certainly, 346 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:33,199 Speaker 3: the label who made the money, everybody disappears and then 347 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 3: this press conference was it was bad, and sometimes I 348 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,399 Speaker 3: tried to understand why. But I think that the labels 349 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 3: were so powerful, and the media and labels and everything 350 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:47,679 Speaker 3: was in codes. So once the story was told and 351 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:51,400 Speaker 3: entered you know, the four pipelines that were there back then. 352 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:53,919 Speaker 3: Because now you've got social media, we're talking about a 353 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:58,399 Speaker 3: whole different ecosystem. Right back then, it was just like, 354 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:00,680 Speaker 3: once the story was written, it was oh she wrote, 355 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:02,440 Speaker 3: and then it's like, okay, we can move on now. 356 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 3: And there was no way you could turn turn a 357 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 3: new leaf and try to say, hey, but listen, it's 358 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:12,239 Speaker 3: too late, you know. So it was it was it 359 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 3: was that in a sense, was one of the most 360 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:20,880 Speaker 3: difficult because you know, the truth was buried, the narrative 361 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:29,680 Speaker 3: had been totally uh like, how can I say there 362 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 3: was nothing true about the narrative? You know, Robin fab 363 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 3: with the word responsible. They were responsible. They were they 364 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 3: planned it all. And then let me tell you, you know, 365 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 3: I still have a slight accent. Anyone can everyone can 366 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 3: notice I have an accent right back in the days, 367 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 3: you know, it was a lot thicker. The day we 368 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 3: came to New York and sat down with whoever in 369 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 3: that one room, and you know, the promotion department, radio department, 370 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 3: marketing department, publicity department, like old departments. You know, you 371 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,880 Speaker 3: meet everybody and say hi, nice, nice to meet you, 372 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 3: and like really, you know, you hear that look numb before. 373 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 3: I know, early on, like oh yeah, you sound different. 374 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:24,199 Speaker 3: You know. I remember being in a in a on 375 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 3: the road during that one hundred and SI City tour, 376 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 3: stopping at one of those you know, in the middle 377 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 3: of nowhere, going into like doing some food, and you know, 378 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,160 Speaker 3: they're like, oh, what what kind of First we're talking 379 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 3: in German? What kind of language is that where you 380 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 3: guys from. Then me speaking, you're like, oh, you sound weird, 381 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:47,719 Speaker 3: sounds strange, you know, and obviously we sounded different. You know, 382 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 3: how can how can anybody say that we had no idea? 383 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 3: Really you had no idea? All right, Dan, I don't 384 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,880 Speaker 3: know what was I don't know, I don't know, you know. 385 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 3: So you know, so that's that's how it went. And 386 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 3: you know, it's hard for me to watch part of 387 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 3: the documentary when it makes me cringe when I see 388 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 3: some of those executives, you know, paying a legion to 389 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 3: the old regime and still saying until the interview person 390 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 3: kind of like goes in and like, yo, listen, really 391 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:27,920 Speaker 3: you didn't know, and then coming out. So imagine we're 392 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:32,880 Speaker 3: talking about thirty years later. Now go back in time 393 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 3: and see what kind of allegiance they had with each other. 394 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 3: I understand you to be for your tuition for your 395 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:43,679 Speaker 3: kids university school, you know, like mortgage car, I understand, 396 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,399 Speaker 3: But thirty years later, give it up, Give it up, 397 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:51,119 Speaker 3: tell the truth you knew and then you know you 398 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 3: knew to say it, but for some reason. 399 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 1: It was very. 400 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,680 Speaker 3: Difficult to pull that. It was like pulling teeth side 401 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 3: of that side of them. 402 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,919 Speaker 2: God, it's so frustrating. Fab more Van is with us 403 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,640 Speaker 2: from Milli Vanilli. This is the I Smell Pop Culture Podcast. 404 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 2: We'll be right back after a second. Okay, everybody, It's 405 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 2: the ICE Smell Pop Culture Podcast. My name is Easton 406 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 2: Allen and we're hanging out with fab more Van from 407 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 2: Milli Vanilli. One of the greatest performers of all time, 408 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 2: I think just and I think yes, like just a 409 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 2: dominant force in in pop culture for decades now. 410 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 1: Something that really stood out to me. 411 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 2: I watched a lot of interviews of you and Rob 412 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:48,360 Speaker 2: from from that time, and uh, there's an Arsenio Hall 413 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 2: interview you guys did afterwards when you were you were. 414 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: You know, the everything come out. 415 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:57,919 Speaker 2: You guys have such an incredible attitude about what happened, because, 416 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,879 Speaker 2: like I think a lot of artists if something if 417 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 2: they'd gone through something similar to what you guys had, 418 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 2: they would have retreated, never shown their face again. But 419 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 2: you guys have a you have a great sense of 420 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 2: humor about it. First of all, you're like making jokes 421 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 2: about it. You come back with just you're very open 422 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 2: about everything that happened. That interview specifically, I just really 423 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:19,199 Speaker 2: got a feel for what you guys are like, and 424 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 2: I want to say that it's incredible attitude. 425 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 3: Thank you. You know. You know, the thing is that 426 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 3: you know, when you you know, you don't learn anything 427 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 3: when you go up, you know, because they keep you 428 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:34,880 Speaker 3: on the road, your work, your work, work, work. You're young, 429 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,959 Speaker 3: you don't really develop. But when you fall, you know, 430 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:46,159 Speaker 3: there's such a thing as looking internally, looking back, you know, 431 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 3: and learning. You know, you learn and then you realize, 432 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 3: you know, and one of the things that I realized that, 433 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 3: you know, being humble is the best thing that can 434 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 3: happen to you because of course, we were like a 435 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:01,919 Speaker 3: riding high. You know, everybody is like, you're the best, 436 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,159 Speaker 3: and you know, eventually you're young, dude, you're going to 437 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 3: start to believe your own press. Very normal, you know, 438 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 3: but when I fail, it really just it woke me up. 439 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 3: And I'm glad because without the fall, I don't think 440 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 3: that I would have turned into what I am today. 441 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 3: So this, this was the beginning of what was truly becoming, 442 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 3: you know, and that is really becoming resilient in life 443 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 3: and understand that there are no problems. There are only solutions, 444 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 3: but you get to face that and sometimes learning the 445 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 3: hard way is the best way. So our attitude was like, 446 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 3: well listen, you know, there's you know, we told everyone 447 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,119 Speaker 3: we take the blame. For sure, we can't take all 448 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 3: the blame, but we take the blame for what was done. 449 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 3: We were part of it, that's clear. We were part 450 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 3: of it, one hundred percent, and we recognize that. That 451 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 3: being said, we're here now and we want to make 452 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 3: the best out of what happened to us. It's very normal, 453 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 3: but for some reason, the media kind of flipped it 454 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 3: into making us look bad. So that's why our signior performances, 455 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,679 Speaker 3: which one of my favorite you know. He promoted us 456 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,719 Speaker 3: for thirty days and in the end, at the end 457 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 3: of thirty days, I believe that we killed it. Definitely 458 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:27,680 Speaker 3: killed it. And if it would have had a real 459 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,439 Speaker 3: label behind us, we're real finance and marketing, dollar and 460 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,679 Speaker 3: radio promotion, we could have done some things. It was 461 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:39,360 Speaker 3: kind of like nobody was interested anymore. Like it was like, uh, 462 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 3: it's it's weird, you know how why not we're singing? 463 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:45,919 Speaker 3: Oh no, not interesting? You know. 464 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 2: So the Robin Fab album is so good by the way, 465 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,880 Speaker 2: that song do I, Oh my god, I love that song. 466 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:57,360 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah. 467 00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,359 Speaker 3: That's a nice one. That's the one that's not you know. 468 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,160 Speaker 3: We worked with a great team of producers and that 469 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:06,200 Speaker 3: was one of my favorite time the aftermath I would 470 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 3: call it and to be sitting down with producers and 471 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,199 Speaker 3: in the lab and a big studio and just you know, 472 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 3: being part of it. And oh when it changes harmony, 473 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 3: Oh what about? Like what about changing the drum pattern? 474 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 3: And that was for me so awesome that you know, 475 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,159 Speaker 3: that was taken away from me from the beginning. So 476 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 3: finally I was able to truly live my dream, you know. 477 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 3: And unfortunately, during that period, Rub was addiction. Is that 478 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 3: taken the toe on him. So it was very difficult 479 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,719 Speaker 3: for him to focus and he would disappear day at 480 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 3: a time. So we had to you know, the budget 481 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 3: was running out and we had to get that album done. 482 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 3: So I did pretty much all the leads majority your background. 483 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 3: So if you listen to the record, you notice that 484 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 3: on some song you hear rob and some of the 485 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 3: songs there's no way to be hurt, you know, And 486 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 3: that's what happened, you know, So ri ip God rest 487 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 3: you know, I help you rest good, and he's looking 488 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 3: from above and he's like, go dude, and clear clear 489 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 3: up my name. You know. My goal is being to 490 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 3: transform the name living in me into when you fall, 491 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 3: when you make mistakes or you fall, you can't stand 492 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 3: back up, reinvent yourself and move forward. You know this. 493 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 3: You have options, you have choices. It's just up to you. 494 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 3: You know. The problem is the issue is I'm in 495 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 3: my mistakes in front of the world, and that being said, 496 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 3: some people make the mistakes in the privacy of their 497 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 3: own home. So I guess it turned me into what 498 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 3: I am today. And hey, I got four kids with 499 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 3: the same woman, a partner Sasha so Loans in sent 500 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 3: Paris Twins. You know at the amazing you know, family 501 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 3: is a blessing, blessing. I love it. 502 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 2: It's it's I really hope everyone listening to this takes 503 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 2: that message that that is so incredible and powerful to 504 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 2: be able to use that example and and and share, 505 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 2: like when you go through something you make a bad decision. 506 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 2: In my opinion, you and Robert Victims here. I mean, 507 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 2: I know, I appreciate you guys taking responsible. 508 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 3: I'm not going to play I'm not going to play 509 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 3: the victim. I know responsibility, but it sure looks like 510 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 3: in quite like a duck. 511 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, exactly. 512 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 2: But the fact that you take responsibility for your role 513 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 2: in it and the way you rebuilt everything, it's so inspiring. 514 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 2: It's so incredible Today in twenty twenty five, I mean 515 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 2: the Milli Vanilli. There's a lot of songs in the Monsters, 516 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 2: uh Lyle and Eric Menendez showing Netflix. So how does 517 00:30:58,080 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 2: it I mean to look at like these songs are 518 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 2: training on TikTok. Now you have a whole new generation. 519 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 3: No, I know you know what this this? You know, 520 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 3: Ryan Murphy, thank you, Monsters, thank you. I forgot the 521 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 3: name of the actors. But those guys, Wow, what a job. 522 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 3: And you know what I found because you know, I 523 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 3: used to live close to where they used to live. 524 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, in bel Air. 525 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, they not far away, so you know, we used 526 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 3: to play football in U c La, so we weren't 527 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 3: there in their vicinity BECAUSEFM it was everywhere, so it 528 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 3: was hard to miss. But when they buried their mom, 529 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 3: that's in a movie. I thought it was in the movie. 530 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 3: I was like, oh, yeah, that's fiction. No, they use girl, 531 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 3: I'm going to miss you. At the funeral, I was like, wow, 532 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 3: that's wild, Like whoa you know. And now we're back 533 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 3: thirty years later almost like past. And then because of 534 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 3: a show like this one and my association with Men 535 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 3: and his brothers, certainly the kids that up because I 536 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 3: have a god daughter in La and Kailna and she 537 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 3: tells me in school, they all know, they all know 538 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 3: the song, they sing the songs. So I'm like, wow, 539 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 3: that's a trip. Because there was a time where milivinly 540 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 3: just went into disappeared, It went into a vacuum. And 541 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 3: then you know with the dark, you know, with the 542 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 3: movie with monsters, certainly it's back on all the music 543 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 3: platforms and it's it's raving up and people certainly are realizing, Man, 544 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 3: that was good stuff. That was a good time. So, hey, 545 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 3: music is life. Life is music. Music is also the 546 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 3: soundtrack of our lives. I am connected to everyone who 547 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 3: listened back in the days, and whoever is discovering it 548 00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:01,960 Speaker 3: and walks into our emotional shoes, they are connected to 549 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:06,560 Speaker 3: now because the narrative is being rewritten properly, and you 550 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 3: realize that, hey, listen, they took advantage, they exploited us, 551 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 3: and we were thrown. Rob paid with his life as 552 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 3: a result of how it was handled. It could have 553 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 3: been handled differently. We could have and we were in 554 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 3: the process of starting another project with another entity, but 555 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 3: Frank Farren went to New York and told the world. 556 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 3: So when you did that, it was check mate. We 557 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 3: weren't pushing him. We were pushing him to end this relationship, 558 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 3: but we didn't count on the fact that he would 559 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 3: tell the world instead of saying, Okay, I'm done, we 560 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,360 Speaker 3: can go to group. So we were hoping and work it, 561 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 3: you know, and maybe you have the Robin Felt album 562 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 3: they come out instead of nineteen ninety three, had it 563 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 3: come out like in nineteen ninety. That was the plan. 564 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:10,960 Speaker 2: You can't dwell on this kind of thing, but I 565 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,880 Speaker 2: can't help but wonder, like what would have happened if 566 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,600 Speaker 2: Frank hadn't like gone public with everything, Like I wonder 567 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 2: what would the trajectory have been? Oh, well, you know 568 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,760 Speaker 2: if the world hadn't found out Well. 569 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,560 Speaker 3: The thing is, you know, on that tour I told 570 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,759 Speaker 3: you about the one hundred and SEVENTYY tour. In the 571 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,319 Speaker 3: eight month we had it, we put a studio in 572 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,600 Speaker 3: the bus because we had about between forty and fifty 573 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 3: people working for us, so we had five buses and 574 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,480 Speaker 3: we put a studio equipment in the back of the bus. 575 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:48,360 Speaker 3: And then we would be working after the show, making 576 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 3: some music, experimenting the process that started. You know, we 577 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,400 Speaker 3: had the band, We're like, okay, we don't do something, 578 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,719 Speaker 3: you know, and so you know, the musicians would come 579 00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 3: on board, would work, stop, you go back to your bus, 580 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 3: go to sleep, and I was kind of like a 581 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,959 Speaker 3: routine and I loved it. That was like, Wow, that's 582 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 3: the life I always wanted. But you know it was 583 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:15,680 Speaker 3: weird because we were performing in front of thousands but 584 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,440 Speaker 3: not singing, and then you're in the back of the 585 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 3: bus making music and I'm like, oh, I wish I 586 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 3: could share tonight. I wish I could share that tonight 587 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:28,080 Speaker 3: at the gig, but you can't. Yeah, it's true. Was 588 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 3: it was crazy, but you know, until now, I've only 589 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 3: you know, I told the story. You know, it's been 590 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,239 Speaker 3: a dog, it's been a movie, it's been interviews. But 591 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:43,840 Speaker 3: with the book, and it's titled you know it's true. 592 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,560 Speaker 3: So people can go and register a you know, it's 593 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,279 Speaker 3: through dot com and then we'll keep you posted with 594 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,040 Speaker 3: the schedule. It's going to be an audio book as well. 595 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:59,759 Speaker 3: And you know, finally I can, I can share everything 596 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:04,840 Speaker 3: and they don't know what to expect. And that's the 597 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,360 Speaker 3: beauty with this book, you know. But it had to 598 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,160 Speaker 3: be done also for me. I had to free myself 599 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,920 Speaker 3: from from many things, you know, because you don't go 600 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:17,960 Speaker 3: through something like this, and and you don't, you don't 601 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,720 Speaker 3: walk away intact. You know you will be you will 602 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,520 Speaker 3: when you crash, you crash and burn. But I'm lucky 603 00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,839 Speaker 3: it didn burn to crisp and I was able to 604 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 3: rise from my ashes and and move on. I'm not 605 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,080 Speaker 3: I'm not saying I'm the phoenix. I'm just saying I 606 00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:36,759 Speaker 3: was able to rise above and fly away from the 607 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:40,759 Speaker 3: madness and everything that was holding me down. Because you know, 608 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:45,400 Speaker 3: people can be mean on the wreay down the jokes, 609 00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:50,000 Speaker 3: the bullying and what it feels like. But after a while, 610 00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:53,880 Speaker 3: when you acquire emotional intelligence and realize that it's not 611 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:57,320 Speaker 3: about you, people have issues and you know you trigger 612 00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,879 Speaker 3: something to them because people don't have to be so mean. 613 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,759 Speaker 3: I didn't kill nobody. We didn't kiel nobody, you know, 614 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:08,120 Speaker 3: and some people have done way worse. Oh yeah that 615 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:12,360 Speaker 3: were treated that were treated. Yeah, that is bad, really 616 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,680 Speaker 3: damn Like why us, you know, And I'm still to 617 00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:20,880 Speaker 3: this day wondering like what was the reason behind behind that? 618 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:22,480 Speaker 3: Like why. 619 00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:27,040 Speaker 2: It's it's I know, it's so frustrating to think about. 620 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,279 Speaker 2: But you know, you talk about the movie girl, you know, 621 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:34,480 Speaker 2: it's true, it's streaming on Peacock. What was it like, 622 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,160 Speaker 2: how involved were you in the process of that movie 623 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,520 Speaker 2: being made and what was like seeing your life be 624 00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:41,360 Speaker 2: turned to a movie. 625 00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,080 Speaker 3: Well, well, I was. I was a consultant, you know, 626 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:48,400 Speaker 3: and you know I I I felt like, just like 627 00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:52,320 Speaker 3: the documentary, when they came to me, I said, hey, 628 00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:54,880 Speaker 3: they said, we want to tell you a story. But 629 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:56,920 Speaker 3: I knew that there were many other people that they 630 00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,080 Speaker 3: were going to talk to. I sound cool with that. 631 00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,319 Speaker 3: You go ahead, because I know it's going to line 632 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,200 Speaker 3: up perfectly. I let him do it. I was a 633 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,239 Speaker 3: consultant in the movie, same thing. They talked to a 634 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,439 Speaker 3: lot of people. The guy who didn't summon fore Hoofa 635 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:11,799 Speaker 3: was a fan, met me when he was eighteen years 636 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:16,080 Speaker 3: old in Pim's where we were kind of discovered, and 637 00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:19,440 Speaker 3: he never forgot that image. He soaked it in like 638 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:24,920 Speaker 3: a sponge. And the job is incredible, you know. But 639 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,440 Speaker 3: I felt like he was passionate, and you know you 640 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,880 Speaker 3: can you can fight passion, you know. And that's why 641 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:36,160 Speaker 3: I'm saying I'm still here because of my passion for music, 642 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,279 Speaker 3: my hunger for music, and music being a medium through 643 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,560 Speaker 3: which I can express myself. Most so when the movie, 644 00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,759 Speaker 3: when when I saw the actors, I was like, oh, 645 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,520 Speaker 3: that looked good. I didn't full I didn't fully see 646 00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:52,799 Speaker 3: them in full gear, but at the end because I 647 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,360 Speaker 3: watched a movie on the computer at first, and I 648 00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,000 Speaker 3: watched it at a premiere because I didn't want to 649 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,359 Speaker 3: it's too close to too home, you know. So when 650 00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,839 Speaker 3: I watched it at the premiere. Everyone was laughing at 651 00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:10,279 Speaker 3: the same time. Everyone moved in their chair when it 652 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,759 Speaker 3: became uncomfortable you know, in the movie and it's a 653 00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:16,040 Speaker 3: little awkward, like people stopped to move and you know, 654 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:20,560 Speaker 3: some people cry, and it was on cute. I was like, wow, 655 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:22,920 Speaker 3: they all react in the same way, whether it was 656 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,680 Speaker 3: in Bavaria with different type of people to browl in 657 00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:31,600 Speaker 3: and I felt like, I think and it made me 658 00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,800 Speaker 3: a few times my throat kind of like got tight. 659 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,400 Speaker 3: And I watched I watched Elon and t John and 660 00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:43,959 Speaker 3: they really reincarnated Robin the fab They really embodied us 661 00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:47,360 Speaker 3: and the dynamic between the two characters. It was. It 662 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:52,279 Speaker 3: was very interesting to watch. And Tessa, my partner, she 663 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:56,480 Speaker 3: she knocked. He was like, wow, looks like you there. 664 00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,720 Speaker 3: I was like, yes, it looked crazy right man, Like wow, 665 00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,759 Speaker 3: you know, the makeup, the eyebrows, like the pitness of 666 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:07,520 Speaker 3: the hair, the jacket, and you know, I'm really happy 667 00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:11,920 Speaker 3: that when I after the movie, people were sharing and 668 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:13,799 Speaker 3: then you go to the stage, I'm glad that I 669 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,120 Speaker 3: didn't have to go with the cane or you know 670 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,880 Speaker 3: like slow pos you know slow, you know, like you 671 00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:24,400 Speaker 3: know seventy year old. A seventy year old now like 672 00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:28,080 Speaker 3: finally my story was still thank you. I'm still glad 673 00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:32,920 Speaker 3: that I'm still you know, vital, and I'm coming to 674 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,760 Speaker 3: America more and more. You know. I was in Canada, 675 00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,560 Speaker 3: did a tour for like, I did a two week tour. 676 00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:42,879 Speaker 3: We did about eight shows. It went very well. I'm 677 00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:47,680 Speaker 3: going to Columbia. I'm going to Miami at the hard 678 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:54,680 Speaker 3: Rock in Hollywood, Miami, you know, the seventeenth. I believe so. 679 00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:58,400 Speaker 3: And I've been touring in Europe for some time, but 680 00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,840 Speaker 3: it was slow. It was, you know, not sortay with 681 00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,919 Speaker 3: little shows, more shows, more shows, more shows are down. 682 00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,640 Speaker 3: Everything that's happening, it's taking place now. The phone is ringing. 683 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,160 Speaker 3: Now people are like, oh, we would like to are 684 00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,680 Speaker 3: you going to do the hits? Of course, you know, 685 00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:16,600 Speaker 3: so I perform. I have a band as well. But 686 00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:23,080 Speaker 3: COVID kind of like halted everything that was happening. But 687 00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:26,239 Speaker 3: it's okay. My twins came and went back to the 688 00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,319 Speaker 3: drawing board and uh, step bast step again. We had 689 00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,360 Speaker 3: to rebuild, you know. So I'm glad I'm still here. 690 00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,600 Speaker 3: The best is yet to come. I've also I don't 691 00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,200 Speaker 3: know if you know that because I wanted to. I 692 00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:40,280 Speaker 3: wanted to send you that, but I think I forgot 693 00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:43,440 Speaker 3: it was so busy. I wanted to send you, Girn 694 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,360 Speaker 3: who is true the remix that I did for Sony 695 00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,680 Speaker 3: Music and blame it on the Rain Acoustic. I think 696 00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:51,480 Speaker 3: you should play that for your audience. 697 00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:52,640 Speaker 1: Yes, definitely. 698 00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:55,719 Speaker 3: I think you get to take a look at that. 699 00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,520 Speaker 3: You know, if you if you need to get your 700 00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,600 Speaker 3: hands on it, just ask my team and my team 701 00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:02,640 Speaker 3: will send it to you. But you can't go straight 702 00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:07,080 Speaker 3: to any music platform fab More van Boom on old 703 00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,440 Speaker 3: platform fab More Evan go check it out and then 704 00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:13,120 Speaker 3: you'd be the judge. I flipped it too. That's a surprise. 705 00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:15,000 Speaker 1: Oh my god. 706 00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,359 Speaker 2: So it's blame it all the Rain Acoustic. You got 707 00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,880 Speaker 2: to hear a girl you know it's true FABS remix. 708 00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:23,879 Speaker 2: It's uh, you got everyone listening listen to it right now. 709 00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,719 Speaker 2: But before I let you go, this is so this 710 00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:30,359 Speaker 2: is a Gilmore Girls podcast. And the reference that Milli 711 00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,360 Speaker 2: Vanilli has in the show, I think it's really is 712 00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,640 Speaker 2: really cool because it's you know, if you hear about 713 00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:38,600 Speaker 2: a show like talking about Millie Vanilli or something like that, 714 00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:40,840 Speaker 2: you're gonna assume it's like a lip syncing thing. But 715 00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,600 Speaker 2: in Gilmore Girls, there's a band performing and a guy 716 00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:46,560 Speaker 2: is talking about like, Oh, you're gonna need to make 717 00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:48,359 Speaker 2: room because I'm gonna do a jump off the amp 718 00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,600 Speaker 2: and do a kick here, and then another band member 719 00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:52,880 Speaker 2: says that sends a little too Milli Vanilly for me. 720 00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:57,839 Speaker 2: So it's like million Vanilli are great performers. They put 721 00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:01,359 Speaker 2: on a great show, and that's that's like the reference there. 722 00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,960 Speaker 2: And I think that's incredible thing because that's that's what 723 00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:05,080 Speaker 2: we love, boy Millie Vanille. 724 00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,720 Speaker 3: But let me tell you, you know, you as an artist, 725 00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:09,560 Speaker 3: you have to study the game. You have study the 726 00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:11,360 Speaker 3: ones who came before you. So I have a story 727 00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:15,319 Speaker 3: for you. You know the kick, The kick you know 728 00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,799 Speaker 3: came from I saw David ly Rough and I was 729 00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,919 Speaker 3: a big fan of any Allen and I was like, wow, 730 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:23,880 Speaker 3: that looks cool. It was a dancer. So it's like 731 00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:27,480 Speaker 3: no issues for me, boom, So I kept put it 732 00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:35,239 Speaker 3: on my show until I met David in La at 733 00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,520 Speaker 3: the Rocks Bay. It was like, I love you guys. 734 00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:42,160 Speaker 3: I love the way you move. I was like, yeah, well, 735 00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,799 Speaker 3: I think you had something to do with that, you know, 736 00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,520 Speaker 3: so that that was that was for me. I was 737 00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,160 Speaker 3: super cool to to run into him, you know. So 738 00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,839 Speaker 3: I ran into a lot of people in Hollywood, but 739 00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:57,720 Speaker 3: David was was a guy that had so much power 740 00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:01,719 Speaker 3: on stage and the music was amazing. So yeah, those 741 00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,480 Speaker 3: are the things, you know, you study the greats, and 742 00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,960 Speaker 3: that's what I'll keep on doing. And eventually I hope 743 00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:11,920 Speaker 3: that my music can have the same the same type 744 00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:15,040 Speaker 3: of effect on people that are taking and listen to 745 00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:19,239 Speaker 3: what I do. So to be continued, dot dot It's 746 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,400 Speaker 3: just the beginning, though, watch. 747 00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,560 Speaker 2: So much more to come from fab More Event. Thank 748 00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,040 Speaker 2: you so much for doing this. You're the coolest guy 749 00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:30,520 Speaker 2: in the world. We appreciate this so much and thank 750 00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,000 Speaker 2: you again. Everybody be on the lookout for you know, 751 00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:36,000 Speaker 2: it's true. The fab More Event story, the autobiography coming soon. 752 00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:40,120 Speaker 3: Thank you that coming. You know it's true. Dot Com. 753 00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,879 Speaker 1: You know it's true, dot Com, write it down. Thanks again, man, 754 00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:44,040 Speaker 1: Thank you the beginning of time. 755 00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,920 Speaker 3: It was great to talk to you and to you know, 756 00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:50,560 Speaker 3: I know that people are listening right now, and my 757 00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:54,320 Speaker 3: last thing I'd like to add is listen to yourself 758 00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:59,279 Speaker 3: and it's never too late. As long as you keep 759 00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:03,759 Speaker 3: on focusing making sure that your health mental, physical is 760 00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:07,240 Speaker 3: in balance, you can achieve anything. Just believe in yourself 761 00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:10,000 Speaker 3: and listen to the noise. Put the noise to zero 762 00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:15,960 Speaker 3: and then listen to yourself. Manifest, meditate and do what 763 00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:17,200 Speaker 3: you've got to do for yourself. 764 00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:17,799 Speaker 1: I love it. 765 00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,040 Speaker 2: Thank you so much, FIB, You're the absolute best. I 766 00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:21,640 Speaker 2: hope it's a great rest of your night. 767 00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:51,400 Speaker 3: With pleasure loving team. 768 00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:52,600 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, don't forget. 769 00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:56,719 Speaker 2: Follow us on Instagram at I Am all In podcast 770 00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:11,000 Speaker 2: and email us at Gilmore at iHeart radio dot com.