1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve camera. 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to Stuff You Should Know 3 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: from House Stuff Works dot Com? Hey, and welcome to 4 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:20,080 Speaker 1: the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles W Chuck Bryant 5 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 1: that would make this, that would make this stuff you 6 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: should know? Hello, Hey, Chuck, h Hey, what's going on? 7 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: You know? You know I tossed in turn last night. 8 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 1: I'm like, I have to come up with a good 9 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 1: intro for this. I kept waking up in the middle 10 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:39,599 Speaker 1: and I had cold sweats and I got nothing. Ever, 11 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:45,959 Speaker 1: everybody sweats. Uh yeah, nice, Thanks Chuck. Um, you want 12 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: to know what I came up with. I think it 13 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: would be appropriate, Chuck, is your favorite use of Texader 14 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 1: me in a movie? That's what I got. I'm gonna 15 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: go with Psycho Psycho. Yeah, that's the one I mentioned 16 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 1: article because you know Norman Bates had that creepy office 17 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: full of foul and beast mounted beast. Yeah, you know, 18 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 1: we're talking about Texas mmy and I think one of 19 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 1: the themes that will keep coming up is that depending 20 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:17,040 Speaker 1: on how you pose an animal, it can either be 21 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: very cute or very menacing, and if you fill an 22 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 1: office as Norman Bates did with a bunch of menacing 23 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 1: looking stuff, dead animals, it's gonna be creepy. It's curtains 24 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:32,320 Speaker 1: for you. Yeah, it is shower curtains. That's awful. This 25 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: is a listener request, and uh it's a Chuck Bryant article. 26 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna kick back and go yeah, right, yeah, 27 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: but thank you Scott and Los Angeles, who was inspired 28 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: by this query when he visited the Bass Pro Shop 29 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: in Rancho Cucamonga and he was a little taken aback 30 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: by all the stuffed and mounted I'm sorry, mounted animals. Yeah, 31 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: and you're welcome. Best pro shops for that free plug, Yeah, 32 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: we have one here, you know. I've I'm going I'm 33 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 1: hoping they'll send us some free poles or something. So, Chuck, 34 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: when you wrote this article, did you know much about 35 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: text jermy already or was it just pretty much relegated 36 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: to psycho Psycho although my dad is a is an enthusiast, 37 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: Holy cow, I can't believe this. I do have a 38 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: great intro. Okay, let's hear it. I totally forgot all right, 39 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: let's try it again. In so like, now, I think 40 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 1: we should keep the first one. Yeah, let's do both. 41 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 1: The about Oh, I don't know. Three or four months ago, 42 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: you and I were coming home and she went around 43 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: the front to get the mail, and I was coming 44 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 1: in the back, and um, as I was unlocking the 45 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: back door, her baby baby no, and I stopped and 46 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: she thought somebody had broken in because the window was broken. 47 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:47,079 Speaker 1: Front window. So we go and investigate. Right, there is 48 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 1: a huge hawk. I actually measured it from tail to head. 49 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: It was fifteen inches. You're kidding, an enormous hawk. Dead 50 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:56,920 Speaker 1: is a doornail that is disco Right. How did this 51 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: not come to you when you were thinking of an interest. 52 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:00,919 Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, this is crazy. That's weird. 53 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 1: So um, it was beautiful. Its neck was broken, but 54 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 1: that was it. It was still warm, It was clearly 55 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 1: in good shape, you know, well, aside from being dead, 56 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 1: and um, we're Our first thought was we need to 57 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: stuff this. This is this hawk came to us, gave 58 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:17,920 Speaker 1: its life so it could sit in our study. And 59 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 1: um we looked into it and found that we would 60 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 1: have been arrested had we tried to. Yeah. Apparently in 61 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:26,639 Speaker 1: Georgia hawks are protected and We definitely had a hawk. 62 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 1: It was a chicken hawk, you know, like the little 63 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: chicken hawk and the fog horn leghorn thing. You're a 64 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: chicken hawk and I'm a chicken right exactly, except this one. 65 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 1: Actually it could have taken a chicken pretty easy. Um, 66 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: but apparently they're protected and it'll raise a whole can 67 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: of worms if you try to get these things stuffed. Interesting, 68 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: which actually goes into a point that you make in 69 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: this article that if you have a hawk or a 70 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 1: deer or a beaver or any combination of those, uh, 71 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: and you take them to a text enrvous and you 72 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 1: expect some, as you put it, uh, hill billy mad scientists, 73 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: but the thirst for blood, you're going to be disappointed 74 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: because most of them are very gentle kind, loving, crotchety artists. Yes, right, yes, 75 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: for sure. Let's talk about taxidermy. Where did it come from? Now? 76 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:18,600 Speaker 1: See man, what a great intro. Thank you. Uh. Taxidermy 77 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:23,599 Speaker 1: Josh began as uh out of practicality in England because 78 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: of the need for leather, usable leather, So tanning hides 79 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:30,799 Speaker 1: was where it all started. Yeah, I'll tan your hide. 80 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 1: Did you ever get told that? No, My parents were educated. Yeah, 81 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: I think my grandmother might have said that. I should 82 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: have said, look, do you want to make my button 83 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:46,720 Speaker 1: to useable leather? She would have smacked me, she would have. So, uh, 84 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: it was kind of borne out of that. And then 85 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 1: also once the naturalist like James Cook and Darwin started 86 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:56,239 Speaker 1: collecting odd animals, they worked some of the early most 87 00:04:56,480 --> 00:05:00,040 Speaker 1: the earliest taxidermists. Because if you're you know, Darwin, and 88 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 1: then you're like, look this new species of turtle I 89 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: found and killed, it's like six months ago, and yeah, 90 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: it's not gonna work. So yeah, you said that for 91 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 1: they they started it for leather, Yeah, and to preserve specimens, right, yeah, 92 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 1: which makes sense. So okay, so Texas Jeremy has legitimate origins, 93 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: and uh, they were it was a little crude back 94 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 1: in those days. They literally like gutted and removed the 95 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: organs and stuffed it with like straw. But it didn't 96 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: work too well because they didn't preserve the animal and 97 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:36,840 Speaker 1: like the eyes and the nose and the teeth would 98 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: rot of course, so it would be like like this 99 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,919 Speaker 1: turtle and people be like you exactly, I don't know 100 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:45,159 Speaker 1: what a turtle is, but I don't like it. Uh so, yeah, 101 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:48,479 Speaker 1: that's how it started. Nice and it's kind of stayed well, 102 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: it's stayed the same from what is that the nineteenth centuries? Yeah, 103 00:05:53,560 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 1: James Cook, he was eighteenth century, right, Um, it's they 104 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 1: pretty much the same. I mean as far as what 105 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 1: they would do to the specimen, they would stuff it. Yeah, 106 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: the process right, Um, it became a little more refined 107 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 1: as they figured out how they you know, I got 108 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: to preserve the tongue somehow, Charles get rid of it 109 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:17,919 Speaker 1: all together. Yeah, that's what I would have done. Yeah, 110 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: you can. You know, with the advent of plastics, that's 111 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 1: what plastic was really created for plastics and rubber tongue removal, well, 112 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: to create substitute tongues for taxidermy. Interesting little known fact 113 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: that I just made it is true, Okay, got me 114 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: I feel like a sucker. Uh yeah, dude. It's stayed 115 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: the same till the nineteen seventies, which is kind of 116 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: a long time. And then uh, they began using they 117 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: quit stuffing basically and started using molds. The taxidermy revolution 118 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:48,359 Speaker 1: as it's called, Yes, the Great taxidermy Revolution of the seventies, 119 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 1: I think Andrix wrote about that. So that's why they 120 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:53,280 Speaker 1: actually if you you don't say stuffed anymore and you 121 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 1: say mounted, right, because they don't stuff them. They use 122 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 1: what you say, a polyurethane mold generally, yeah, a lot 123 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:01,160 Speaker 1: of times it's a foam carved mold, which actually that 124 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:06,479 Speaker 1: brings up a good point. Taxidermists are artists. They are sculptors, 125 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: they are craftsmen, they are carpenters. It's a mix of 126 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: a lot of different disciplines. Artistic discipline so or industrial arts. 127 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 1: You could say yes, sure, absolutely and chuck, Actually it's 128 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: a um, I don't know if it's a dying art. 129 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: I don't get the impression from the article, but it 130 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: seems like the taxidermists are few and far between, especially 131 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 1: really skilled ones. Yeah, it's not the most common. It's 132 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 1: not like a Starbucks. Let's say, you don't see a 133 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 1: taxidermy shop on every corner. And I also got the 134 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: impressionel that you're kind enough to not say this explicitly, 135 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 1: that texidermy exists in sort of a graduated level. So 136 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 1: you've got you know, you're the guy who started out 137 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: as a hobbyist maybe who's starting to make money on 138 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: the side, um doing taxidermy. For local hunters or fishermen, 139 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: and then you go all the way up to the 140 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 1: people who are just at the peak of their craft 141 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: and they're working for like natural history museums in the 142 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: Ottumn Society and all that, right, Yeah, exactly. And that's 143 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: a good point too, because a lot of the a 144 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: lot of taxidermists are our big time animal lovers, and 145 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 1: they some of them don't even work with hunted animals, 146 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: so they'll they'll do like roadkill or like you said, 147 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: work for like Fernbank Science Center because they need their 148 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 1: you know, Red Fox, not the comedian. That'd be kind 149 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: of cool, though. Is he what museum is he in? Uh? 150 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: He's in the Museum of Dirty Old Man. Yeah, that's good. 151 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 1: If my mom would never let me watch Sanford and 152 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: Son because she thought Red Fox is a dirty old man. Well, 153 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: his stand up was very dirty. Yeah, Sanford and Son 154 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 1: wasn't very dirty, of course. It's mainly just him faking 155 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 1: heart attacks. Wheezy. Uh So, where are we, Elizabeth? Elizabeth, 156 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: I'm coming to join you. You're right. Where did I 157 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 1: get wheezy? Okay? God, it's awful. Uh So where are we? 158 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: We are all over the match? Uck? We are you 159 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: said it's it's slow process. That's true, and that's for 160 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: a couple of reasons. Um, mainly, like you said, because 161 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: there's not a lot of taxidermists. So it's not like 162 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 1: it takes a year to necessarily mount your red fox, 163 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 1: but it's going to take a year for you to 164 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: get it. Probably, Yeah, sometimes because they have a you know, 165 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 1: a freezer full of dead animals. And then another reason 166 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: is because a lot of these guys, especially I imagine 167 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: with deer and other larger animals, Um, they send the 168 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: skin off to be commercially tanned, right, yeah, but just 169 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 1: because it takes up a lot of space and imagine 170 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 1: that in and of itself as a whole other art 171 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: and science. Oh yeah, definitely right. Yeah. We won't get 172 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 1: into tanning a whole lot because I don't know whole 173 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 1: lot about it, to be honest, I don't either. We 174 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 1: could do that for a podcast. We could. That's coming up, 175 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 1: Tested and Report two tanning. Uh, we should talk about 176 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:47,680 Speaker 1: cost a little bit before we get into the nuts 177 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 1: and bolts of the process. If you want a bear 178 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: skin rug, let's say, if you've shot a bear and 179 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: you're a bad person and shot a bear. Uh, you 180 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: can have a bear skin rug for about a grand, 181 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:00,959 Speaker 1: which is not bad. No, have you ever laid naked 182 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 1: on bear skin? It's worth a grand? Uh my dad 183 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 1: has a bear skin rock, so I imagine you have 184 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 1: laid naked unbers and now I haven't. Actually I tried 185 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 1: to walk around it as much as possible. Uh. If 186 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: you want that bear standing up, and I would guess 187 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: in a pose like uh kind of butcher, you sure? 188 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 1: That'd be about two grand, which I found surprising. I mean, 189 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 1: going from bear skin rug for a grand, which seems 190 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 1: reasonable to me, to a full bear standing menacingly for 191 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: just an extra grand. I think that's worth saving up for, 192 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: don't you. Yeah, it takes up a lot more room, 193 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 1: though well not necessarily. I mean, if you have high ceilings, 194 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: you're set. It's true in an empty corner. Yeah. Uh. 195 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: Then these are ballparked figures. So if you're a taxidermist 196 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: or an enthusiast and you say, no, actually that would 197 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:49,319 Speaker 1: cost this were we did our best here with the numbers. 198 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 1: Chuck did as best here with the numbers, and bravo, Chuck. 199 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 1: The thing that surprised me. Everything else sounded pretty uh, 200 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:58,199 Speaker 1: pretty standard, like a mounted deer from what shoulders and 201 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: antlers is about five to sift um. The thing that 202 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: surprised me was that a fish costs about eighteen bucks 203 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: an inch. They sounded like in this article the hardest 204 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 1: thing to mount. Yeah, it is, but it's also small, Okay, 205 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: so I don't think it takes quite as much time 206 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: even though it is artistically harder. I think it sounds like, yeah, 207 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 1: let's get into this. Why chuck our fish so hard 208 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,679 Speaker 1: to mount? Well, one reason, my friend, is that a 209 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 1: fish loses its color as it dries out. So the 210 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: whole thing, it's not like you know, when they wrap 211 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 1: a deer carcass I'm sorry, a dear skin around the mold. 212 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 1: That's pretty much it. But you have to literally paint 213 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 1: the fish all those little skills by scale, right, a 214 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 1: lot of scales. Yeah, that's a lot of skills. It's 215 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 1: a lot of time and work for eighteen bucks an inch. 216 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 1: Don't think so. Yeah, I would think they cost like 217 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 1: standing bear type prices, you know. And there's different processes 218 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: depending on the kind of fish, right, warm water fish 219 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 1: like bass is going to be largely what you bring 220 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: in as far as you know, the reality of it, 221 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 1: goes right, Like the bass you bring in and then 222 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:10,679 Speaker 1: the bats you get mounted are going to be pretty 223 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 1: much the same thing. But with the saltwater fish, these 224 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: things are basically the texidermist takes a photo of the 225 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: fish you brought in and then completely remakes it out 226 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: of synthetic materials, so the fish you brought in is 227 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: no longer with us. Yeah, Like if you see you know, 228 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: the marlin and T. G. I. Friday's on the wall, 229 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: that's almost a chance that that's not a real marlin 230 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:36,439 Speaker 1: at all. Right, And the cool thing about this is 231 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: since it's all the same anyway, like you're not actually 232 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 1: going to get the fish you catch, You're going to 233 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 1: basically get a life size replica of it. Um. This 234 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 1: is really popular among catch and released sport fishermen, right, 235 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: or guys who want to eat their fish. Sure, I 236 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 1: didn't mention that, but and why wouldn't you Why wouldn't 237 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 1: you eat a marlin that you caught with your bare 238 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: hand through noodling? You know? Oh man? Could you imagine? Uh? So, 239 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: should we talk a little bit about the fish process? 240 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 1: What you do if you if you've got the skin 241 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:09,199 Speaker 1: mount is what it's called, which is what you do 242 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: with the bass, you um remove the inside of the fish, 243 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 1: all all the meat and bones that you can and 244 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 1: except for the head that you can not get certain 245 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 1: meat out of the head and tail area. You don't 246 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 1: want to eat meat head or head meat head meat 247 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 1: and uh. What you do then as you inject um 248 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: like borax and salt preservatives into the meat that you 249 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 1: can't get out to keep it from spoiling. And uh 250 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: again with the I think cold water fish. Yeah, the 251 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:42,719 Speaker 1: cold water fish, the skin will actually be the same 252 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: that you brought in, right, But they're going they can't 253 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 1: stuff it. It's not possible for them to stuff it, 254 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 1: like they could have warm water fish like with maybe 255 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 1: hard pack sawdust. Yeah, cold water fish. Um like salmon, sure, 256 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,559 Speaker 1: uh they they it's so thin that you'll be able 257 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:00,680 Speaker 1: to see the sawdust, right, Like, why does your salmon 258 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: have sawdust in it? And I would say, well, because 259 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:09,359 Speaker 1: it's mounted. Uh my impression is too with the the sawdust. 260 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: I might be wrong here, but is that you You 261 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 1: might use sawdust if it's just the straight fish on 262 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 1: a plaque. But if you want to show your bass 263 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 1: with the curved tail leaping from the water in mid fight, 264 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: then that's when you're gonna have to make the poly 265 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: your thing mold and you know, carved into whatever shape 266 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: that you want. And those molds in and of themselves 267 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 1: are a work of art, especially with deer. Oh yeah right, sure. 268 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 1: So like if you if you actually pulled the skin 269 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 1: off of a stuffed deer, you're gonna find intricately carved muscles, bone, 270 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 1: mass veins. Yeah. Uh that's pretty serious stuff, right, Yeah, 271 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: that's like big time sculpting. Yeah. And uh so did 272 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: you like that transition to deer? I did? Are we 273 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: done with fish? We're done with fish? I think, well 274 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: we should just say they also have to salt the 275 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: fish skin on the inside because if it dries out 276 00:14:59,880 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 1: to quick, it'll shrink, which you don't want. And you, 277 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 1: like we said earlier, you need to paint the fish 278 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 1: at the end, pop out the eyeballs because they will rot, 279 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 1: and insert your little glass eyeballs that you stick in 280 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: with a little pin on the back. Well, that's the 281 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: real common theme of this podcast is the last step 282 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: is taking out the eyeballs and putting in fake ones, right, 283 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 1: and just about every single one of these pretty much. Yeah, 284 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 1: same with deer. Yeah, that was much worse transition. So 285 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: we're we're at the deer. And I should say too, 286 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 1: this is a broad overview. They write like volumes of 287 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 1: books on how to do deer taxidermy, so we're not 288 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 1: gonna like sum that up in four and a half minutes. 289 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: The one thing that you're you're gonna find in every 290 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: taxidermy book on stuffing deer is the first thing you 291 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 1: have to do is skin it. Yes, you want to 292 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 1: skin that deer. And what you have after you skin 293 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 1: the deer is a cape. That's what it's called, right Domistically, 294 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 1: look at my dear cap. I do won'der? How many 295 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: taxidermists have that joke? I bet a lot of them do, yes, Josh. 296 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 1: And the goal here when you're skinning the deer, or 297 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 1: if you're a taxidermist, you want to make as few 298 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: cuts as possible. What that still allow you to get 299 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 1: the organs and the carcass and everything out, Because if 300 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: if if you're let's say, you can't get your deer 301 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 1: to the taxi dermists in a few days, you have 302 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: to do it yourself as a hunter. And if you're 303 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 1: not very good at it and you make too many 304 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: cuts and you mangle the deer, then you're gonna make 305 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: it really hard for the taxidermists. Right. The more incisions 306 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: you have, the more sewing the taxidermist has to do, 307 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 1: and the angrier the taxidermists is going to be. Right, 308 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 1: And like you said, they're crotchety. So salt comes into 309 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 1: play here too. Um. I guess they use salt to 310 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: preserve just about everything, right, And like you said, it's 311 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 1: not table salt, it's like borax. Yeah. Um, So they 312 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 1: use salt to preserve the areas around, like the mucous 313 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: membranes that they can't really cut out without making the 314 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: deer look ghoulish. Right, And it also tightens up the 315 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 1: skin and the hair follicles, which is a good thing 316 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: because you don't want the hair to fall out. And uh, 317 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: we're else around the nose and between the toes or 318 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 1: I guess the hoofs. Yeah, so that you said toes 319 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: And I was like, did you have toes? I did 320 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 1: say toes, didn't I did? I think that should probably 321 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: be changed. I don't know. I think it should be 322 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:16,200 Speaker 1: like a little easter egg that only stuff you should know. Uh, 323 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:19,120 Speaker 1: so you know, once the skin dries out, you've got 324 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 1: to prepare your mold, or while it's drying out, you're 325 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:24,399 Speaker 1: you're carving your mold, which, like we said, is very 326 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:27,679 Speaker 1: like intricate sculpting. These are true artists at work, right, 327 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 1: And remember the skin might not even be in the 328 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 1: same place that the texta Germots may have sent it 329 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 1: off to a commercial tannery. So what what comes into 330 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:39,160 Speaker 1: play first and foremost is taking incredibly precise measurements, because 331 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 1: imagine making a mold just based on measurements you took 332 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 1: while the skin is not even there, so you can't 333 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 1: just throw it over to to have a rough estimate 334 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: of how you're doing. And as you put it, if 335 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 1: you missed the mark by a couple of inches, you're 336 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:56,120 Speaker 1: gonna have a saggy deer. Yeah, that would be no good. So, yeah, 337 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 1: you're right. Accurate measuring is is really the first step. 338 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 1: Then they removed the skull and discard it, and discard 339 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 1: it because you don't need the skull anymore. You remove 340 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 1: the antlers, but you hang onto the antlers obviously because 341 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 1: you need to screw those back onto your foam head. 342 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:15,880 Speaker 1: It sounds really gross, it does, Yeah, I mean, if 343 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:18,920 Speaker 1: you really look too deeply into this. It's kind of ghastly. 344 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:22,439 Speaker 1: Yeah it is. Yeah, I wouldn't want to see it, 345 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 1: and you know, in practice, but it's fun to talk about. 346 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:29,120 Speaker 1: Uh So at that point, Josh, you have let's say 347 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 1: you've got your skin back, you've got your mold done, 348 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:35,679 Speaker 1: and you kind of um slip it on over the 349 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:37,919 Speaker 1: mold as if you would be putting on a sweatshirt. 350 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:40,719 Speaker 1: Make sure it's all nice and tight. Sew it up 351 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 1: skin sweats It's like buffalo bill, Yeah exactly, and you 352 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 1: pomp in. You popped in the eyes, the glass eyes, which, 353 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 1: as we say, is usually the last thing you do. 354 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:56,439 Speaker 1: Then you um, once it's all sewed up and everything 355 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:58,440 Speaker 1: you mounted on a plaque, like you said from about 356 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 1: the shoulder, and give it back to your customer and 357 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 1: bing bang boom, bing bang boom, get your six fifty bucks, 358 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 1: not bad, and go back to work on another one. 359 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:12,880 Speaker 1: It's never ending, like a bird. Let's say, yeah, nice, 360 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:15,199 Speaker 1: Should we talk about foul? Foul is the left broad 361 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 1: category of things that are generally stuffed. Sorry, mounted, don't 362 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 1: look at me like that. Right, I'll go to my 363 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 1: dad's house. You'd be surprised he's got raccoons and the 364 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: bear thing hawk and flight. H he has a hawk? 365 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: How does he have a hawk? Okay, yeah, he has 366 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 1: a hawk in fight or maybe it's a falcon. See, 367 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: I couldn't find any any underground taxidermist. And he's got 368 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 1: a guy can't find those in the phone book. And 369 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:49,360 Speaker 1: he's got a bobcat. Of course, the bobcat is uh, 370 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 1: you know they are so cute, teeth bared. This one's not. 371 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 1: Does your dad hunt? Now? He just hits things with 372 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 1: his car a lot. Now, he's an animal lover and 373 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 1: when he will see some road kill, he would uh 374 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 1: clean up the road kill and then get the taxidermists. 375 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:06,359 Speaker 1: And it's just a theme in his house. He's a 376 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 1: he's a country guy. That's cool, yeah, Or is it 377 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 1: all as long as he's not killing them? No, of 378 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 1: course not. And you know he's not. Yeah, I see, 379 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with that. Now, Like we said, you 380 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:19,680 Speaker 1: got to a natural history museum, and you're not gonna 381 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,959 Speaker 1: say these people are awful for mounting the spot. Some 382 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 1: people would you you forget we exist pretty close to 383 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:30,360 Speaker 1: the center and a lot of stuff. Alright, So we're 384 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 1: at foul Josh. The first thing you do with foul 385 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 1: like with the rest is skin. It take out all 386 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: the meat and bones, but you leave the feet and 387 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 1: talents because you don't want to recreate those. And you 388 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 1: and then I actually saw a video and this is 389 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 1: literally what they do. They wash and just like a 390 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 1: tub with dishwater. They washed the feathers in the skin 391 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:55,679 Speaker 1: because it's greasy and they don't want that. No, although 392 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 1: if it is, if it's a duck, you better be 393 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 1: keeping that fat for cookie purposes. Yeah. Man, there's nothing 394 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:06,479 Speaker 1: better than duck fat, that's true. Um. You dry it 395 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 1: with a with a hair dryer, which will fluff up 396 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: the feathers again. And then you salt the remaining moisture 397 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 1: like with everything else, because the salt will dry it 398 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:17,160 Speaker 1: out real good. You turn it inside out. You stuff 399 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 1: the head with a non shrinking clay and so you've 400 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:24,880 Speaker 1: got a little hard headed bird now with a clay head. Uh. 401 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:28,879 Speaker 1: Then you make your neck and body again with the 402 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 1: eurothane foam. You stretch it over. You put wires under 403 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:36,360 Speaker 1: the wings, um under the skin of the wings, tied 404 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,639 Speaker 1: off with dental floss because you want to keep um, 405 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:43,680 Speaker 1: keep the wings you know, stiff, I guess oh, actually 406 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:45,120 Speaker 1: we should have said that with a with the fish 407 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:49,880 Speaker 1: um uh fins. They they spread those out and tack 408 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 1: them to a cardboard backer, because you want your fish 409 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,120 Speaker 1: fins to be all spread out and cool. Look into 410 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 1: right when when they're dried and preserved with salt, can 411 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 1: you take the tax out? Well yeah, but then that's 412 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:03,399 Speaker 1: when you put the resin over it, which is the 413 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: final step, and that keeps everything you know, lack it. Yeah, 414 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:10,239 Speaker 1: that's why shiny, where are we here with the with 415 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 1: the uh, with the foul? I think you just so 416 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 1: the little sucker up. Once everything's in place, don't forget 417 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 1: the last step what's that? And put in fake ones 418 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: and then you shape it. Once everything's in there, you 419 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,119 Speaker 1: kind of shape it if you want, you know, bird 420 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 1: in flight or bird pecking it at seed? Imagine they 421 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,400 Speaker 1: have little titles like that. Then that's what you do, 422 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: and then you get your what like two four hundred 423 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:35,719 Speaker 1: bucks I think, and then you go work on the 424 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:40,920 Speaker 1: next one because uh, and you might think that Chuck 425 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 1: just gave you everything you need to know about taxidermy. 426 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:47,399 Speaker 1: You're wrong, you're wrong. You can actually go to school 427 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 1: for this, right, two to four grand for taxidermy school. Yeah. Right, 428 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 1: there's a lot more to know about this. As Chuck 429 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 1: said about with just deer alone, the entire books are 430 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 1: written on the subject of how to how to mount 431 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 1: them properly? Right, Yeah, and um, I also make the 432 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 1: point if you're interested in having if you see some 433 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 1: road kill and you're like, wow, I would love that 434 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 1: muskrat in my office, do your homework and go visit 435 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 1: the taxidermist and check out their work. Like with anything, 436 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:14,919 Speaker 1: you get what you pay for. And there are a 437 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 1: lot of bad taxidermy jobs out there. I saw some 438 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 1: photos in the research is pretty funny. And don't just 439 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,439 Speaker 1: carry it around in your pocket until you go to 440 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 1: the taxidermist showing it to people people don't like. That's good. 441 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,399 Speaker 1: There are some things that you will want to do 442 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 1: if you do come across some roague killer. However, you 443 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 1: come upon a dead animal that you want to stuff 444 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 1: right mount Mount um like, for example, you if you 445 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:40,879 Speaker 1: have a birth. I thought this was very clever and 446 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 1: it makes a lot of sense say that. Um I 447 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: would have been able to have that hawk mounted. I 448 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:51,640 Speaker 1: should have put it in a stocking like pantyhose keeps 449 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 1: the feathers from moving about that plus is sexy. Uh, 450 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:58,120 Speaker 1: if you if you have a deer that you don't 451 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,080 Speaker 1: want to drag your deer through the woods if you 452 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: can help it, because that'll a lot of the hair 453 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,680 Speaker 1: will fall off and we'll mess that up. You want 454 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 1: to do that, But unfortunately, most motorists who pick up 455 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: road kill aren't familiar with how to field dressed a deer. Yeah, 456 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,200 Speaker 1: that's true, but if you're a hunter, you're probably pretty 457 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 1: good at it, unless you're a lousy hunter like you're new. 458 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,359 Speaker 1: But if you're a lousy hunter, you probably wouldn't hit 459 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:22,119 Speaker 1: the deer anyway, that's true. They say not to wrap 460 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 1: a fish in newspaper because it will soak up the 461 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: moisture and you want to wrap it in a wet 462 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 1: towel with the fins very smoothed and in place. We 463 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 1: need to talk about the jack lope. Well, yeah, rogue 464 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: taxed ermy right. Yeah, Well we'll go ahead and tell 465 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:37,679 Speaker 1: what a jack o lopez. Some people might not have 466 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,680 Speaker 1: seen these. Really you think everyone has seen one? But 467 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 1: I think everybody's seen a jack lope. But okay, alright, Uh, 468 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,880 Speaker 1: jack lope is a shoulder mounted rabbit shoulder ahead with 469 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 1: antlers attached. Yes, that's a jack lope and it came 470 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,200 Speaker 1: about in the nineteen thirties by a couple of amateur 471 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,959 Speaker 1: taxidermists in Wyoming, Right brothers, Right, Yeah, that's the story. 472 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:02,119 Speaker 1: It maybe legend, but apparently the Mayor Rick brothers legend 473 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 1: has it. They went hunting, came home with a rabbit, 474 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,680 Speaker 1: flew it onto a table and it slid over to 475 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 1: where it ted met two antlers that were laying on 476 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 1: the table, and they went, hey, man, we should do that, 477 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,959 Speaker 1: like it's a real thing. And they did, and they 478 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 1: did and called it the jackalo and it took off 479 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,639 Speaker 1: from there, and as I said, it gave birth to 480 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 1: a type of taxidermy called rogue texermy. Right yeah, also 481 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 1: called carcass art. Carcass art. I have a website who 482 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 1: to mention? What's that? It's called Crappy Taxidermy dot com. Oh, 483 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:34,679 Speaker 1: is that what I was talking about with the bad 484 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,879 Speaker 1: taxidermy jobs. No, actually, it's a terrible name for it. 485 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:39,919 Speaker 1: I don't know if they originally started out with like 486 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: just terrible taxidermy or whatever, but the images are showing 487 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: on the site they were like incredible text ermy. But 488 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,679 Speaker 1: it's all carcass art. It's all rogue taxidermy. Oh that's 489 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 1: where you can see like a goat with wings. Yeah, 490 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 1: definitely stuff like that. Um. They had one a woman 491 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,959 Speaker 1: was wearing a hat and I don't know how they 492 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 1: did it, but it had three birds like pulling at 493 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:04,360 Speaker 1: her hat above, hovering above the hat. Wait, the hat 494 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 1: was the art, or they stuffed the woman, the hat 495 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 1: was the art. Okay, it was a live woman wearing it, 496 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 1: presumably unless this was some sort of snuff picture. Um. 497 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 1: But the birds were off of the hat, hovering over it, 498 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 1: pulling at the hat, and it was just amazing. I 499 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,120 Speaker 1: don't know how long this would have taken somebody. But 500 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 1: my favorite is this one. It is a bull calf 501 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:30,640 Speaker 1: standing on top of a puma standing on top of 502 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 1: a falcon. Really, for some reason, that reminds me of 503 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 1: a tur ducking. I don't know why. Yeah, interesting with 504 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 1: the tur duck. And then you take it and to 505 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 1: smush it all together. Why didn't you send me a 506 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 1: picture of this? I don't know. We should have one 507 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 1: in this office right now, framed, which I agree. So 508 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:51,360 Speaker 1: is that it that taxidermy? Seems like it. That's uh 509 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 1: that's the broad scope. There's a lot more details in that, 510 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 1: and we'd like to hear from taxidermists if you're out there. 511 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:03,359 Speaker 1: Nice article, but oh, one more tip, don't bug your taxidermists. 512 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 1: Oh this is where the crostity part comes. Yeah, they're 513 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 1: notorious for like if you call and say, is my 514 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 1: is my bobcat ready, sir? They will will not be 515 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 1: They don't take kindly to that. Apparently they don't because 516 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: they're you know, they're stuffing things all day. Where do 517 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,920 Speaker 1: the wise Chuck Bryant nicely done? Would you want to 518 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,440 Speaker 1: pick up a phone? If you're like inserting an eyeball 519 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,360 Speaker 1: from some yokel that's like, do you have my red 520 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,640 Speaker 1: fox ready? Sir? What is it with you in red foxes? 521 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,160 Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess because my dad has one. Well, 522 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 1: if you want to learn more about taxidermy, right, and 523 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 1: you want to see some pretty cool photos with hilarious 524 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 1: captions underneath, you can type taxidermy in the handy search 525 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 1: bar at how stuff works dot com, which means that 526 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 1: it is time for listener mail. Yes, indeed, Josh, I'm 527 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:58,239 Speaker 1: gonna call this sorority thief all right? And I did 528 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 1: get permission to read this because I was. I'm not 529 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 1: sure if they wanted us out there, Josh and Chuck. 530 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 1: I have recently become a huge fan of the podcast, 531 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 1: or huge if you're from New York. I have a 532 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,879 Speaker 1: story about kleptomania. I'm currently an executive member for a 533 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 1: sorority at my university. Recently, girls have been getting their 534 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 1: things stolen in their rooms in the sorority house. A 535 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 1: few thousand dollars was stolen from the philanthropy account. That's 536 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:25,479 Speaker 1: just awful. Designer dress was stolen out of a girl's closet. 537 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,679 Speaker 1: Not as bad, and a girl's eye touch was stolen, 538 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,679 Speaker 1: twenty capsules of a girl's A D D prescription meds, 539 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 1: and the list goes on. Anyways, the other day, a 540 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 1: girl left a note on another girl's door calling her 541 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 1: a klepto and to see the sorority drama unfolding and 542 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 1: some questionable names, causing a rather large uproar in the house. 543 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 1: We had an emergency executive meeting, and everyone kept on 544 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 1: labeling this thief as a klepto. I finally sat everyone 545 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 1: down and made them listen to a portion of your 546 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 1: podcast in order for them to quit using this term 547 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 1: in the wrong context and implement some comic relief in 548 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 1: the midst of this feminine chaos. Could you imagine? Yeah, 549 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 1: we ended up listening to the whole podcast, and afterwards 550 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 1: we were able to lessen some of the drama. Although 551 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 1: the identity of the culprit has not yet been revealed, 552 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 1: we have startled, uh sorry, started implementing your podcast to 553 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 1: bring us together. This may be a little weird, but 554 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 1: y'all have helped us come back together and stop being 555 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 1: so caddie. Welcome to living in a house of eighty girls. 556 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 1: So sweet. Yeah. Anyways, you guys teach us new things 557 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 1: all the time. You make us laugh, you make as think. 558 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 1: Thank you for all you share and y'all are awesome. 559 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 1: Make more than just two a week from Julia V. 560 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 1: Thank you Julia, thanks to your sorority? Which one can 561 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 1: we say? 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