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Speaker 4: Good morning, sir.

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Speaker 3: What's going on man? Good morning?

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Speaker 4: Just uh, we did get confirmation yesterday that it is

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Speaker 4: a ruptured achilles for Tyrese Haliburton. Of course, the underwent surgery,

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Speaker 4: his way to recovery. But it looks like he's going

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Speaker 4: just he gave it a go. It was the risk

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Speaker 4: and now we've just got to deal with what the

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Speaker 4: recovery looks like and maybe he'll be back to full

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Speaker 2: So we've got that. We've also got.

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Speaker 4: A former NBA player with comments about the NBA Finals

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Speaker 4: in general, and that would be Gilbert Arenas, who was

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Speaker 4: on the Dan Patrick Show, which you can hear on

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Speaker 4: many of these Fox Sports radio affiliates. And Gilbert was

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Speaker 2: Years from now, we'll remember these NBA Finals for.

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Speaker 3: What, nothing, nothing, nothing, We won't know. Let's just be honest.

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Speaker 5: When it comes to small market teams, we really don't

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Speaker 5: remember much about them. We don't really talk about the

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Speaker 5: And with this one, I mean, the only memorable thing

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Speaker 5: was nothing in this finals that makes you say, oh

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Speaker 5: I know, you know, when we talk about small markets,

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Speaker 5: it's needed because there are you know, cities that need finals.

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Speaker 3: They need recognition.

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Speaker 5: But you know, when you do have you know, teams

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Speaker 5: like that that match up, the sales is down, the

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Speaker 5: So you know, any kind of exposure that has to

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Speaker 4: So that was Gilbert Arena's talking with Dan Patrick about

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Speaker 4: Wouldn't matter, wouldn't It doesn't matter, And it just matter,

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Speaker 4: But it's almost like the NFL has created a universe

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Speaker 2: Of dude, do you have great players? Do you have

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Speaker 4: If Cincinnati could get to a Super Bowl, you need

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Speaker 4: Yeah, like you don't hear I mean like Yiannis for example. God,

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Speaker 3: It's like, and by the way, how big a market

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Speaker 2: Listen, what about Baltimore, Baltimore?

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Speaker 4: And literally not necessary for them because those franchises carry

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Speaker 3: There seems to be two hundred and ten media markets

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Speaker 3: we're talking about media markets, not just not just you know,

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Speaker 3: there goes Tatum riverside, moving down of the court.

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Speaker 4: It's not I mean listen, I'll give the Pacers credit.

434
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 4: They played well in the second quarter. They had the

435
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 4: lead at halftime, and they were Somebody on the broadcast

436
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 4: was like, yeah, the Pacers were walking into the locker

437
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,159
Speaker 4: room at halftime. They're like, we can do this, we

438
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,399
Speaker 4: can do this. And then the second half started and

439
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,400
Speaker 4: it was like, no, there's just a quick reminder.

440
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 3: That's not that. But again, that quick reminder should be

441
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 3: prefaced by saying, how horribly did they play in the

442
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:43,919
Speaker 3: third quarter? That wasn't a and listen, A lot of

443
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 3: it has to do with the way Okay see plays defense,

444
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 3: I get it, but a lot of that was just

445
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,399
Speaker 3: sloppy play man, it was sloppy play.

446
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 2: Aliburton's on war and then somebody yelled. You imagine somebody

447
00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 2: just yelling for riverside.

448
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 3: Dang, dang. I mean it would have made sense in

449
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 3: that in that moment, in that moment, just because you're

450
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 3: in the final game of the championship round, you better

451
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 3: be in riverside mode like a mother lover.

452
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Speaker 4: Could you please, just for the for the new listeners,

453
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 4: explain the riverside.

454
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Speaker 3: The riverside is a term that football coaches use when

455
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 3: a guy crumbles in a heap of pain. So they

456
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 3: go down to any type of injury during practice, right,

457
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 3: you'll have you'll have you. You'll probably have a unit

458
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,880
Speaker 3: in a practice squad that are together, or you may

459
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 3: be going through yeah, you might be going through like

460
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 3: teen period or something to that effect. Right, depending on

461
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 3: how serious the injury is, they'll hit you with like

462
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 3: a guy gets hit boom, he gets knocked out, he

463
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Speaker 3: goes down to the ground. If if the if at

464
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Speaker 3: any point the training staff comes out onto the field

465
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 3: and the guy doesn't come off the field, you'll hear

466
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 3: the coaches say riverside. And all that means is is

467
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 3: you move what you're doing in front of in front

468
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 3: of that player that's down on the ground that's hurt,

469
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 3: and then you start going the opposite direction. There's been

470
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Speaker 3: times where if the seriousness in nature of the injury,

471
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 3: it's not a riverside, it's a switch field, switch fields,

472
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 3: other field, and then everybody walks over to the other

473
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 3: field and you know, the other field. But if it

474
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 3: ain't that bad, if it's not perceivably that bad, they

475
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 3: hit you with a riverside, and basically they just put

476
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 3: the you know the practice, they put it behind. You know,

477
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 3: you're behind it. The injured player is behind the practice now.

478
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 2: So it's you just turn around.

479
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 4: So it's the equivalent to, you know, a horse coming

480
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 4: up lame in a race and they just bring.

481
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Speaker 2: Up a white tent and call to day.

482
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Speaker 3: It would be like the equivalent of a horse going

483
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Speaker 3: down and needing the white tent and and them saying,

484
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Speaker 3: all right, change lanes.

485
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Speaker 4: You know, he run in the other direction, Just run

486
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Speaker 4: just just it started over.

487
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, just run in a different lane. That's all. That's

488
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 3: his that's his lane. You know. Let let you know,

489
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 3: just run in a different lane again.

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Speaker 4: Guy, guys, run it back the other way. I will

491
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 4: have by the time you re return there you go.

492
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 4: It's just the whole, the whole.

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Speaker 2: It's one of my.

494
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Speaker 3: Yeah, here's a better one that that one I gave

495
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 3: wasn't good. Here's a better one. If the horse goes down,

496
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 3: they for the next race. They just moved the They

497
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Speaker 3: moved the starting gates in front of the horse that

498
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Speaker 3: went down.

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Speaker 2: Turned it turns into an equestrian race.

500
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Speaker 4: They just make the horse's corpse a jumping a platform

501
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:54,959
Speaker 4: to jump over if you can.

502
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 3: They take the release gates and and flip them around

503
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 3: so that the horse that went is behind the starting gates.

504
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 3: That's that's the that's the equivalent of Riverside.

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00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 2: It's just, you know, like the idea.

506
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 4: There's a teammate down on the ground, there's no prayer candles,

507
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 4: there's no there's no prayer circle, there's no candles lip,

508
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 4: there's no everybody get on the knee and just no, no, no, no,

509
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 4: no riverside.

510
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 3: It's just although the one year with Marty when when

511
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 3: dude dude broke his arm and and and the was

512
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 3: it his arm or his leg? He broke something and

513
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 3: he went down and coach shot Driver goes, all right,

514
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 3: everybody bring it in. We're gonna pray. You heard I

515
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 3: always tell because it's the funniest story to be you

516
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 3: hear something out of the blue is Bruce Smith. Bruce

517
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 3: goes pray, pray for what pray? That's mad and that's

518
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 3: going on around here.

519
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 2: That was that trading camp and he just had hitting.

520
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 3: He made Bruce Smith at his age do Oklahoma drill

521
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 3: and Bruce Bruce did it. Bruce not only did it,

522
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 3: but he won. And then he fell out. He made

523
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 3: the play, got off the block, made the tackle and

524
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 3: then just dropped and grabbed his shoulder and didn't play.

525
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 3: Not one more down, not one more practice, not one

526
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Speaker 3: more rep the rest of that training camp.

527
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 2: But he won legitimately, legitimately, And I didn't.

528
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 3: Ask, I didn't look, I didn't ask Riverside. It was

529
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 3: all about survival, Bro. This was Marty that I had

530
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 3: to go to the hospital for for heat exhaustion. I

531
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 3: couldn't see any color. I lost. I lost basically the

532
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 3: ability to see color. I was so dehydrated during that

533
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 3: traded cat. These cats be talking about how they got

534
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 3: it these days. I went through a Marty Marty training camp, Bro,

535
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 3: that that ass was wild.

536
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 2: They're like, sure, can you give us a urine sample?

537
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 2: Looks like honey.

538
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 3: That was the same year Corey Stringer had had passed

539
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 3: away from a heat heat exhaustion. It was like one

540
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 3: hundred some degrees and we were doing two days, and

541
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 3: I just remember I was out that bad boy, gigging

542
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 3: like that might've been my best seasons as a pro. Anyway.

543
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 3: I was out there, man, and I was just going

544
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 3: in every play, every play, challenge yourself, every play, let's go,

545
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 3: let's go, let's get it every play, Let's get it,

546
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 3: let's get it. And the next practice, like I was

547
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 3: looking around and I'm like, why can't I see color?

548
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 3: I can't. Then I started panicking, like am I dying?

549
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 3: Like is something wrong? Like something's wrong. I was like, Dan,

550
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 3: come get me. They rushed me to the hospital and

551
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 3: like he can't see any color. They took my they

552
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 3: took my levels. They're like, yeah, get us four bags,

553
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 3: four bags of ivy fluid in me and put me

554
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 3: on ice. They literally put my body on ice and

555
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 3: got me four bags of ivy fluid and then I

556
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 3: was back. I was back, ready to go. But man,

557
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 3: I was I was up out for like two seconds there.

558
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 3: I thought I was up out of there. Man.

559
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 2: So you couldn't see color, so anybody could be anything

560
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 2: at that.

561
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 3: So so basically I would have lived in the perfect world,

562
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 3: like I ain't got to call nobody blacks or whites

563
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 3: or Asians or Hispanics, like it would have just been

564
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 3: all love. Like, hey, y'all looked the same.

565
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 2: You thought Patrick saw no color. You thought Patrick Ramsey

566
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 2: was Doug Williams.

567
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 3: Dang, you had to be a dark mother lover for it.

568
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 3: On my black but great scale, you had to be

569
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 3: dark as hell. You just looked the same to me.

570
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 2: Oh well, I got that hydrated.

571
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 3: I'll good. See your jersey color. Nothing, It's just all

572
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 3: the same color, man, Oh my god. Wild Experience.

573
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Speaker 1: Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and

574
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Speaker 1: a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington and

575
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 1: Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern three am Pacific.

576
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Speaker 2: And it is a Tuesday tradition.

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Speaker 4: We welcome in Pete Prisco, senior NFL columnist for CBS Sports,

578
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 4: CBS Sports HQ analyst, our smooth operator, and if you

579
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,879
Speaker 4: want that smoke, you can find him on x at

580
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Speaker 4: Prisco CBS Peak.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, what's up, guys?

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Speaker 6: How are you?

583
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Speaker 2: We are good.

584
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Speaker 4: We are taking a peek at your top one hundred

585
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 4: players of twenty twenty five. I know you do this yearly,

586
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 4: and I'm curious what has gotten you the biggest blowback

587
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 4: from people who have taken a look at your list

588
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 4: since you dropped this last week.

589
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 6: You know, It's funny. I really haven't had a lot

590
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 6: of blowbacks, so I means it must be a pretty

591
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Speaker 6: don good list.

592
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 4: I mean it usually Patrick Mahomes number one based on

593
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 4: the year he had people.

594
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,240
Speaker 6: I got pushed back from from some of my guys

595
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 6: in my office on that, and like when we did

596
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 6: some hits and stuff for HQ and the Sports Network,

597
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 6: and some of the things that they said were he

598
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 6: didn't play as well as numbers weren't as good, And

599
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 6: I said, my counter.

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00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 3: Is always is this.

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Speaker 6: If you put the entire pool of players in the

602
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,399
Speaker 6: NFL into into a pot and said, go ahead, take

603
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 6: the best player right now, how many teams would take

604
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 6: Patrick Mahomes every one of them? So he's the best player.

605
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,839
Speaker 3: I don't know that would be every every one of them?

606
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 6: Well, who wouldn't LeVar.

607
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 3: It just depends on who's in that in that that

608
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 3: cup to pool from that hat to pool from I mean,

609
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 3: there may be Josh Allen, There may be a Josh

610
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 3: Allen fan. There, there may be a Lamar Jackson fan.

611
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 3: I mean, some would say Lamar Jackson has had the

612
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 3: more brilliant career over the last two three years, then

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00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes. Even though Patrick Mahomes has made those those.

614
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,320
Speaker 6: Entries, he must be sitting at home polishing is Lombardi

615
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:05,959
Speaker 6: Trophy then.

616
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:10,280
Speaker 3: I guess yeah, But again I would have to say

617
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 3: a Lombardi trophy is not an individual award, and I

618
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 3: give you so that goes against the that goes against

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Speaker 3: the logic of I guess that.

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Speaker 6: But he's also he's also put up amazing numbers in

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Speaker 6: his career and he's been the best player in the league.

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00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 6: Come on, you would you would take if you had

623
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Speaker 6: You're the general manager of a team hy for this

624
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 6: week and you get to pick between Mahomes and Lamar,

625
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 6: You're taking Lamar.

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00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 3: I'm not saying I would. I'm just saying conventional wisdom,

627
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 3: there would be some people that would find other players

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00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,800
Speaker 3: more attractive to take, and it wouldn't be any further

629
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Speaker 3: than that position. It may be Josh Allen, it may

630
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 3: be Lamar, and in reality, it probably would be Joe Burrow. Now,

631
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 3: if you said I had to choose between Joe Burrow

632
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,760
Speaker 3: and Patrick Mahomes, there's a strong chance I may say

633
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 3: today because it's not you know, and and with all

634
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 3: due respect, because he is he is one of the greats.

635
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 3: He's already one of the goats. Speaking of Patrick Mahomes,

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00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 3: but Pete, if I'm looking at today and I'm basing

637
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,879
Speaker 3: it off of where we're looking at ceilings and trajectories

638
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 3: of today. I might look at at I might look

639
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 3: at at my guy in Cincinnati and say I want

640
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:27,240
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow versus anybody else, Jess, And that's not saying

641
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 3: he's in Cincinnati. That's saying, if I'm starting a team

642
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 3: in a franchise, I might want to start it with

643
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow. That's what I would be thinking. But again

644
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:37,720
Speaker 3: it's just based off of today.

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00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 6: Joe Burrow is your first.

646
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:45,320
Speaker 3: Pick, yes, yes he would be quarterback.

647
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 6: But he's not Patrick Mahomes. And we know that Josh

648
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,399
Speaker 6: is a great quarterback, he's not Patrick Mahomes. And Lamar

649
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 6: Jackson's a great quarterback and he's not Patrick Mahomes. There's

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00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 6: a difference, and we see You'll see it this year,

651
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 6: by the way, and you'll see it this year, by

652
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 6: the way. Now they got some speedback outside, they fixed

653
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 6: the offensive line, You'll see a different Patrick Mahomes again.

654
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 6: You'll see the old Patrick Mahomes again this year.

655
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 3: You're stamping that Garret stamping that to me again. Now,

656
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 3: if you're basing it off of that logic, I have

657
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 3: no problem with what you're saying, and I would be more.

658
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 3: I would be more towards saying that your debate point

659
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 3: is correct. I'm just saying, based off of what I've

660
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 3: seen this year going into next season, if you were

661
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 3: to say who is the player you would start your

662
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 3: franchise with, there might be two or three players, and

663
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,919
Speaker 3: it will those names and circulation that I would say

664
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Speaker 3: to me, I'm the MVP. The MVPs of Kansas City

665
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 3: are the coaches, not the players. I'm sorry it wasn't

666
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:51,320
Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes this year with Spagnola and Andy Reid.

667
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 6: Oh my god. Okay, Look he didn't put up great number.

668
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:56,399
Speaker 6: He's still the MVP of the team, and he's still

669
00:38:56,440 --> 00:39:00,439
Speaker 6: the MVP. He's still the best player in THERV because

670
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 6: Allen earned the m v P last year and I'm

671
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 6: not going to take it away from it. And I've

672
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 6: been one of the joho was he?

673
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 3: Who was he in competition with to get it?

674
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 6: Lamar Jackson? But that's that's a whole nother story. That's

675
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:14,320
Speaker 6: a whole nother.

676
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 3: Why why that's the m v P of the league.

677
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 2: Well, Pete, let me.

678
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 7: I'm sorry, go ahead, because look, the m VP of

679
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 7: the league doesn't mean that you're the you're the best

680
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 7: player in the league.

681
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 3: That's what that's what most Valuable Player means.

682
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,439
Speaker 6: No, that's not what it means because because here's why

683
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 6: you could have the best player in the league and

684
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 6: not be the m v P because you're not a quarterback.

685
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 6: We've seen that play out, haven't we Over the course

686
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:36,720
Speaker 6: of history, it's happened.

687
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 3: It's a it's a wonderful rebuttal because everyone will agree

688
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 3: with you, that's the heisman, and that's the league MVP.

689
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 3: They don't give it to the best player. They give

690
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 3: it to the quarterback. It's a it's a wonderful rebuttal,

691
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 3: but nonetheless it's still to the general public in layman's terms,

692
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 3: the best player in the National Football League that gets

693
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 3: the MVP award, Yes or no.

694
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 6: No, because that's the best player in the NFL. And

695
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 6: Josh Allens. Josh Allen earned the MVP last year. Look

696
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 6: you would take Look. I love Josh Allen. Been on

697
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 6: him since the beginning when he came out of Wyoming.

698
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 6: It was one of the few that actually thought he

699
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 6: would be good, and early in his career he was

700
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,240
Speaker 6: one of the few who actually kept pounding the pavement

701
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,359
Speaker 6: that he will be good. And you know what, He's

702
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 6: been great, and I love Josh Allen, but Patrick Mahomes

703
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:19,800
Speaker 6: is a better quarterback.

704
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Speaker 4: Pete Prisco joining us here on Fox Sports Radio, we

705
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 4: are taking a peek at his top one hundred players

706
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:31,479
Speaker 4: for twenty twenty five here courtesy of cbssports dot com. So, Pete,

707
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 4: I'm curious. Saquon Barkley is third on your list. So

708
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 4: goes Patrick Mahomes, Miles Garrett, Saquon Barkley. Saquon Barkley wasn't

709
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 4: even in the top one hundred a year ago. So

710
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Speaker 4: a year ago you didn't think Saquon Barkley was one

711
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 4: of the top one hundred players in the league.

712
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 6: They have was three point eight per rush the year before.

713
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,320
Speaker 6: That's not a top one hundred player. And so okay,

714
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 6: he gets to a new system, he's got the best

715
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 6: offensive line, he's got the top two, in fact, the

716
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 6: top two offense linemen arm on my list of the

717
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:06,240
Speaker 6: two tackles on the Eagles. He averages more per carry

718
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 6: than anybody in the league before he's touched. And he

719
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:10,879
Speaker 6: puts up a great season and he's earned his way

720
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 6: onto that list at the number three spot. The year before.

721
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Speaker 6: Bad situation, but he didn't play that well. He had

722
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 6: a three point eight per rush, So okay, you can

723
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 6: blame the Giants and the offensive line, but that's not

724
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 6: going to earn you a spot. So that's why he's

725
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 6: at number three this year. And by the way, it

726
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 6: pains me to put a running back.

727
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 3: That hut, but I did.

728
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 4: I mean, what about Aiden Hutchinson at fifteen when he

729
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 4: only played up until Week six.

730
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Speaker 6: But it's not based on just what you did. This

731
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 6: last year is going to be He's going to be healthy,

732
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 6: he's going to be back on the field, he's going

733
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 6: to be a disruptor again. So that's kind of where

734
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,439
Speaker 6: it is. And by the way, when he did get hurt,

735
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,720
Speaker 6: he was leading the league in facts he got hurt,

736
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 6: and so you saw the difference in that team when

737
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:54,800
Speaker 6: he wasn't in there. So that's why he got to

738
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 6: take into account a lot of where people are going

739
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 6: from their injury issues where they might and I'll give

740
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:02,839
Speaker 6: you another example, Trent Wade. I had a tough time

741
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 6: with Trent Williams, and Trent Williams has traditionally been a

742
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 6: top ten player on this list the last couple of years,

743
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 6: but I dropped him down in large part because when

744
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 6: he did play, he wasn't as good and he didn't

745
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 6: play and now he's coming off another of the injury

746
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 6: and a just starting to become a factor with him.

747
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 6: Age isn't a factor with Aiden Hutchinson. It's a factor

748
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 6: with a guy like Trent Williams. So that's why he

749
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 6: dropped out a little bit.

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Speaker 3: I found that to be interesting because where was Patrick

751
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 3: Mahomes in the passing ratings or passing yards statistically last season?

752
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 6: This past season, well, I mean you got to look

753
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 6: at the numbers. He wasn't It wasn't great. He didn't

754
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:40,839
Speaker 6: throw a lot of touchdown passes and he didn't throw

755
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 6: a lot of.

756
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Speaker 3: Are you using stats against Sakwan Berkley?

757
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 6: Did you go back and go back and watch Sai

758
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 6: Kwon Barkley from two years ago and you tell me

759
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 6: how good he was.

760
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 3: He's really good. He was really good.

761
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 7: He was just.

762
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 3: Situation.

763
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Speaker 6: He wasn't really good two years ago.

764
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 3: He just want was in a he got injured for one,

765
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 3: but he was in a really bad situation. I mean,

766
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 3: everybody knew stop Sakwon Barkley and you stopped the New

767
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 3: York Giants period. Everybody knew that. So it wasn't the

768
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:15,280
Speaker 3: necessary fact that he wasn't great. It was the fact

769
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:18,919
Speaker 3: that that he wasn't in a great situation that led

770
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:23,240
Speaker 3: to him not getting the best of opportunities to get yardage. Pete,

771
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 3: the talent that were still there the play.

772
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Speaker 6: But when a guy averages three point eight per rush,

773
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 6: it's not very good. That's terrible.

774
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 3: As a matter of fact, if I take him and

775
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 3: I put him on a team like the Philadelphia Eagles,

776
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 3: which I'm building my team, and I say I get

777
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 3: to pick and I can choose, I'm taking Saquon Barkley

778
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:44,959
Speaker 3: because of what he can do, even though I knew

779
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 3: he was getting three points some yards a carry with

780
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 3: this team. That's not my team. I'm looking at the talent.

781
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 3: Don't you have to look at the talent versus looking

782
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,720
Speaker 3: at at the stats. If this is your hundred, your hundreds.

783
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 6: List, well, he was talent. He was the top one

784
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 6: hundred player two years ago.

785
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 2: He was last year, all right, Pete.

786
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:06,359
Speaker 4: So one of the things that you did point out,

787
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 4: we're talking with Pete Prisco here. You can go on

788
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,800
Speaker 4: to cbssports dot com and you can check out Pete's

789
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 4: top one hundred players for twenty twenty five because there's

790
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 4: a lot of interesting decisions here. An interesting comment you

791
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 4: made at the top of the article, though, is that

792
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 4: you said, one thing is clear, there isn't a lot

793
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 4: of star power in the league right now.

794
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:30,320
Speaker 2: So where do you is this recent?

795
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 4: Is this just within the past couple of years? Is

796
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 4: this since Brady retired?

797
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 6: Like?

798
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 4: What about the NFL? Do you think lacks star power

799
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 4: considering Lamar, Patrick Mahomes, Joe Burrow. Is it just so

800
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,760
Speaker 4: quarterback heavy that there aren't stars at other positions?

801
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,959
Speaker 6: Well, it's not just that, I think, and I you know, look,

802
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 6: there's four quarterbacks in the top ten, so the quarterbacks

803
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 6: are still stars, those four particularly, and there's a possibility

804
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 6: for more with a guy like Jayden Daniels. But you

805
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 6: drop it down and go into the twenty. And this

806
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 6: is what I made that point about me It was

807
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 6: a twenty to sixty. You could interchange those guys and

808
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 6: take player number fifty and move him to player number

809
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 6: twenty three, and you wouldn't have much difference, and you

810
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 6: wouldn't have much of an argument. And that's essentially the

811
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 6: point it used to be. You'd have twenty five tried

812
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 6: and true stars and now that's not the case, and

813
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 6: for variety of reasons. Don't get me wrong. You know,

814
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 6: injury is an issue as well, and age has become

815
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 6: an issue as well. But we're gonna start seeing and

816
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 6: I think next year when I do the list, you're

817
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 6: gonna see different stars. Jayde and Daniels will be a

818
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 6: Star of Stars and he will move up into this list.

819
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 6: I don't have any doubt about that. I know people

820
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 6: will point to C. J. Stroud. I don't see that

821
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 6: happening with Jade Daniels. I think Brian Thomas Junior is

822
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,240
Speaker 6: a guy that's going to go into that Star Stars

823
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 6: list this year. He's gonna be one of the elite

824
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 6: receivers in the league and he's gonna go way up.

825
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 6: So you're gonna see that change a little bit. But

826
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 6: right now, for this time twenty to sixties, they're all

827
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 6: about the same. You can interchange them. For example, go

828
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Speaker 6: in and pick fifty one out fifty one, number five,

829
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 6: I don't even know who it is on the list.

830
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 4: Fifty one on Pete's list is Quinn from the Denver

831
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 4: Bronx qun Miner.

832
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, the center's it.

833
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:22,319
Speaker 6: All pro By the way, Yeah, take twenty eight out

834
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 6: and put him in and see what that would be.

835
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 4: All Right, so you take out Quinn, you put in

836
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 4: number twenty eight would be Max Crosby.

837
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 6: Okay, So look, Max Crosby.

838
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:34,800
Speaker 3: That's star power, that's star power.

839
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 6: But he wasn't star power last year because he was

840
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 6: hurt and he didn't play as well when he was

841
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:40,359
Speaker 6: on the field. And I love Max Crosby. I think

842
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 6: he's one of those guys, you know, he beats himself

843
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,320
Speaker 6: to beat his body up. He plays too many plays,

844
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 6: but and kudos to him for doing it. I mean,

845
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:49,320
Speaker 6: he's one of the few guys that plays every play

846
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 6: in a game for a defense, which you know that's

847
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 6: incredible in this era. But yeah, Max Crosby has star power,

848
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:57,959
Speaker 6: but he wasn't a star last year.

849
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 3: All I'm saying is is when you say a league

850
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:04,919
Speaker 3: that is void of star power, that doesn't necessarily mean

851
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 3: that they're they're the best ever or the greatest football

852
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,839
Speaker 3: player ever. That's two different conversations. Wouldn't you say it's

853
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 3: two different orizations?

854
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 6: Oh?

855
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 7: Absolutely, I mean, I mean ob J was star power

856
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 7: for quite some time and wasn't the top receiver in

857
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 7: the league for a few of them years where he

858
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 7: was still you know, leveraging star power.

859
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 3: I mean there's something.

860
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 6: These guys Jalen Ramsey star power.

861
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 3: And he's got star power.

862
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 6: Yes, he does not at he's not a star player.

863
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 6: He's got star power.

864
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 3: It's potential. It has been seen before. It has come

865
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 3: to fruition at times. I just think you have hard

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Speaker 3: feelings with him. The way things happened in jackson Why

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Speaker 3: you're taking the stat Jalen Ramsey is the truth of

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Speaker 3: the man where rats ass come from? By the way,

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Speaker 3: what's the infatuation with the rats ass? I don't know,

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Speaker 3: By the way.

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Speaker 6: All I can tell you is he wore as welcome

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Speaker 6: to Jacksonville. He wren as welcome to the Rams, and

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Speaker 6: he wore I was welcome in Miami.

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Speaker 2: So you go ahead and hey, there's a problem pete

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Speaker 2: out of curiosity.

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Speaker 4: So when you mentioned you know a guy like Quinn Miners,

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Speaker 4: who is you know, sitting at you know, fifty one

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Speaker 4: on your list? How do you go about ranking offensive linemen?

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Speaker 4: Is this just watching film? Because there's no real statistical

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Speaker 4: category you can use with a lineman? So is this

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Speaker 4: just all based on watching film?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, and by the way I mean, I'd go back

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Speaker 6: and they're a stats that say, okay, give up x

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Speaker 6: amount of sacks, but you also got to take into

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Speaker 6: account how the sacks are given up. And you know,

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Speaker 6: like there are guys you say, okay, give up five

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Speaker 6: sacks last year, and then you see, okay, well the

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Speaker 6: quarterback held the ball for half an hour in the

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Speaker 6: sack got you know, the guy eventually got home and

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Speaker 6: wanted to beat the beats the tackle that's not on

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Speaker 6: the tackle that's on the quarterback, or there's a loop

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Speaker 6: in a star and the back doesn't do his part,

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Speaker 6: and somebody blames the offensive tackle for it. So you

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Speaker 6: got to go back and watch the tape. You gotta

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Speaker 6: you gotta go about and look during the season. I

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Speaker 6: watched the games. I go back and from after the draft,

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Speaker 6: and from the time the draft is over until the

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Speaker 6: time I put that list out, I go back and

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Speaker 6: re evaluate and move guys all around. I talked to

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Speaker 6: guys in the league and kind of run it by

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Speaker 6: them and see if they agree with me. And by

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Speaker 6: the way, I didn't have.

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Speaker 3: Usually I don't like that, well, I don't like I mean.

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Speaker 6: Guys that actually know about football. LaVar That's that's why.

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Speaker 3: I don't like you. I don't like your list.

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Speaker 6: Okay, but I can tell you this, I've gotten a

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Speaker 6: lot of pushback over the years on the top ten.

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Speaker 6: I got none this year, none, not one bit. Nobody

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Speaker 6: said somebody else should be in that list. It was

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Speaker 6: the first time in a long time where the top

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Speaker 6: ten was a clear top ten.

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Speaker 2: I think you added a running back into your top ten,

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Speaker 2: and that's what happened.

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Speaker 3: He knew who to call Jonas. Yeah, I know that

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Speaker 3: push to get what he wants.

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Speaker 6: It pays me, it paints Okay, you tell me who

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Speaker 6: shouldn't be in the top ten of part.

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Speaker 2: We're out of time.

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Speaker 3: We're out of time. You know what, you know what

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Speaker 3: we're going to have to do. We're going to have

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Speaker 3: to continue the conversation. We're we're out of time. Sa

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Speaker 3: Kwon Barkley definitely belongs there though.

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Speaker 6: Yeah he does. He does along there and he is there.

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Speaker 6: By the way, if you had more time, you'd be

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Speaker 6: digging a deeper hole before. I'll tell you I.

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Speaker 3: Don't dig holes that You crow barred that in there.

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Speaker 3: You got me with it once before. You won't get

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Speaker 3: me today. You know, first time shame on you. Second time,

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Speaker 3: shame on me. I will I will not be going

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Speaker 3: into that hole.

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Speaker 4: Pete dynamite list as always, We appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Let's do it again next Tuesday.

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Speaker 6: You gotta take care of guys there.

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Speaker 4: He is the great Pete Prisco, senior NFL columnist for

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Speaker 4: CBS Sports. CBS Sports HQ is at Prisco. CBS is

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Speaker 4: where you can find him on x and you can

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Speaker 4: go check out his top one hundred list of twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty five.

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Speaker 2: Pete.

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Speaker 4: Pete. Pete is fun because whatever you say to him

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Speaker 4: on social media, it's usually quick to the point, and

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Speaker 4: he exposes you in front of his audience, like he

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Speaker 4: will quote retweet it and then he'll call you out

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Speaker 4: and either block you or just move on with this.

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Speaker 3: You love doing that too, so I get why you like.

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Speaker 3: That's so funny. Man.

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Speaker 2: It is two pros and a couple of joals.

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Speaker 3: Don't like get in trouble, man, It ain't fun when

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Speaker 3: the rabbit got the gun man, It really isn't.

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Speaker 4: I love Pizza got such a red ass and and

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Speaker 4: just owns it.

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Speaker 2: He's proud of it, you know, just the way he

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Speaker 2: operates