WEBVTT - The OJ Simpson Trial with Derek J 0:00:00.760 --> 0:00:03.690 Yeah, because you know, lately I've been accused of dominating 0:00:03.710 --> 0:00:04.470 the intros. 0:00:04.570 --> 0:00:05.250 You do dominate the intros. 0:00:05.269 --> 0:00:06.690 So yeah, so don't give it to me. 0:00:06.910 --> 0:00:08.049 Are we going? Are y'all? 0:00:08.070 --> 0:00:11.129 We fighting at the top already. This is how it starts, Derek. 0:00:11.190 --> 0:00:13.620 Yeah. So you're the overbearing one. 0:00:13.650 --> 0:00:14.140 Not me. 0:00:14.260 --> 0:00:15.100 Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. 0:00:15.140 --> 0:00:16.140 You do dominate the intros. 0:00:16.160 --> 0:00:16.700 That's crazy. 0:00:17.020 --> 0:00:18.240 Alex, you do dominate the intros. 0:00:18.440 --> 0:00:19.120 I disagree. 0:00:19.700 --> 0:00:21.430 Every time you're like... And then you get all in 0:00:21.450 --> 0:00:22.710 that little voice that you learned. 0:00:22.590 --> 0:00:26.160 In college or whatever. Oh, here we go. Your newscaster voice. 0:00:26.220 --> 0:00:27.800 Yeah, he has a little voice, he does. 0:00:27.940 --> 0:00:29.560 Well, it's your day today. 0:00:29.640 --> 0:00:31.220 Thank you. Thank you. 0:00:31.280 --> 0:00:33.140 Thank you so much. 0:00:33.180 --> 0:00:40.030 So glad you've passed the mic. Welcome back to Look 0:00:40.110 --> 0:00:42.610 Back At It. I am Sam Jay. 0:00:42.790 --> 0:00:45.090 I'm Alex English. Welcome back. It's a day. 0:00:45.650 --> 0:00:46.430 We have. 0:00:47.500 --> 0:00:50.220 Somebody I'm really actually jazzed to talk to. Someone I 0:00:50.280 --> 0:00:53.180 feel like I've recently got to know a little better. 0:00:53.680 --> 0:00:58.510 We've had a few hangs. I'll say expert. I'll say educator. 0:00:58.590 --> 0:01:01.850 I'll say hairstylist to the stars. I'll just say all 0:01:01.890 --> 0:01:04.350 around chill, cool ass fellow. 0:01:04.430 --> 0:01:05.150 Fashion queen. 0:01:06.330 --> 0:01:07.430 Really puts them things on. 0:01:07.490 --> 0:01:09.150 Yeah. Got it on today. Serves it up. 0:01:11.930 --> 0:01:12.410 Derek J. 0:01:12.730 --> 0:01:15.950 Thank you. Thank you guys. I like that intro. Thank you. 0:01:16.000 --> 0:01:16.900 Welcome, welcome. 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:21.080 Derek always wears outfits that make me feel like his 0:01:21.160 --> 0:01:22.080 life is better than mine. 0:01:22.360 --> 0:01:23.100 Yeah. 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:27.020 Do you think that when you're putting on your. 0:01:26.680 --> 0:01:28.539 Clothes, is that the message that's going on in your 0:01:28.580 --> 0:01:29.560 mind that you want to convey? 0:01:29.640 --> 0:01:31.649 Well, no, because that's just what all my clothes are. 0:01:32.280 --> 0:01:35.680 So I don't have to really think much. Everything is expensive. 0:01:35.780 --> 0:01:36.540 Everything is flow. 0:01:36.720 --> 0:01:38.440 It's not even the expensiveness of it. 0:01:38.800 --> 0:01:40.380 Well, it looks expensive. 0:01:40.540 --> 0:01:44.700 It's the flowiness. Everything's flowy. Everything's soft. 0:01:44.720 --> 0:01:47.440 It's a nice pattern. I mean, the paisley is jumping off. 0:01:47.500 --> 0:01:49.760 This is a black designer. 0:01:49.820 --> 0:01:53.410 It gives like, I lounge a lot. 0:01:53.560 --> 0:01:54.310 I eat well. 0:01:54.470 --> 0:01:57.410 I drink well. I'm not bothered by much. 0:01:57.450 --> 0:02:00.090 It just always, I'm like, he's living. 0:02:00.230 --> 0:02:03.230 Yeah, that's my life. That really is my life. 0:02:03.250 --> 0:02:04.910 He said you hit it right on the head. 0:02:04.990 --> 0:02:06.730 Yep, yep, yep. 0:02:06.790 --> 0:02:07.810 We're thrilled to have you. 0:02:07.850 --> 0:02:09.769 We're thrilled to dig. 0:02:09.669 --> 0:02:13.130 Into the year that you chose and the specific subject 0:02:13.180 --> 0:02:14.519 matter within the year that you chose. 0:02:14.560 --> 0:02:17.299 Yeah, we do have a specific place to go with this. 0:02:17.800 --> 0:02:19.940 I'm really watching to see what's going on with you. 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:22.260 Absolutely. So we're going to start with that. 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:25.480 So what we like to do in every episode, you've 0:02:25.700 --> 0:02:27.220 chosen the year 1995. 0:02:27.220 --> 0:02:28.190 Yes. 0:02:28.540 --> 0:02:31.920 And so what we like to do with our guests is... First, 0:02:32.100 --> 0:02:34.959 dive into who you were in the year that you've chosen. 0:02:34.980 --> 0:02:39.309 So who was Derrick Jay in 1995? 0:02:39.310 --> 0:02:43.470 1995, I was a freshman in high school. 0:02:43.630 --> 0:02:43.889 Okay. 0:02:43.950 --> 0:02:44.130 Yeah. 0:02:44.350 --> 0:02:48.310 So I was a freshman in high school figuring out me. 0:02:48.590 --> 0:02:49.510 This was in Ohio? 0:02:49.570 --> 0:02:51.530 Ohio, yeah. So freshman high school, Toledo, Ohio. 0:02:51.690 --> 0:02:52.370 Toledo. 0:02:52.470 --> 0:02:54.180 Yeah. So I'm trying to figure out. 0:02:55.490 --> 0:02:56.889 What are the fashions? 0:02:56.930 --> 0:02:57.690 What are you wearing? 0:02:58.370 --> 0:02:58.450 Oh. 0:02:58.510 --> 0:03:00.450 Because I can't imagine you ever not dressing like this. 0:03:00.490 --> 0:03:04.450 They didn't have cap cans in Ohio. 0:03:04.510 --> 0:03:05.190 They did not. 0:03:05.210 --> 0:03:08.489 You know, I remember, I don't know if this actually 0:03:08.510 --> 0:03:12.180 might have been my freshman year. I was just learning 0:03:12.220 --> 0:03:15.760 about fashion. And so me and my best friend, we 0:03:15.800 --> 0:03:19.750 went and got these Tommy Hill figures. matching situations, but 0:03:19.780 --> 0:03:22.340 they were like boxers and a t-shirt. It wasn't even 0:03:22.360 --> 0:03:24.980 like real shorts, but the boxers were cute. We was 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:26.540 wearing silly, stupid stuff like that. 0:03:26.560 --> 0:03:29.120 We were real kind of wack. You were experimenting. We 0:03:29.139 --> 0:03:31.540 were experimenting. We were trying to figure out the lay. 0:03:31.820 --> 0:03:36.400 I was considerably dressed very boyish back then. 0:03:38.390 --> 0:03:39.029 Box? 0:03:39.330 --> 0:03:41.590 So you put on underwear and then the boxers? 0:03:41.630 --> 0:03:44.930 Yeah, I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, underwear, then 0:03:44.970 --> 0:03:47.440 the boxers. Underwear, then the boxers. 0:03:47.740 --> 0:03:50.540 Underwear, then the tee. And then, like, some kind of 0:03:50.700 --> 0:03:53.920 matching sneaker. Yeah, you couldn't tell us nothing. 0:03:53.960 --> 0:03:54.820 Who was his best friend? 0:03:56.140 --> 0:03:59.710 My friend, Travis Ameson. We are still friends to this day. Yeah, 0:03:59.730 --> 0:04:01.590 I was just talking to him the other day. But yes, 0:04:01.910 --> 0:04:02.350 we are. 0:04:02.590 --> 0:04:04.650 We were... Well, we thought we was the girls' buddies. 0:04:04.830 --> 0:04:05.210 Were you. 0:04:06.550 --> 0:04:11.950 So you're a freshman, 95, boxers on the outside. 0:04:12.050 --> 0:04:12.330 Yes. 0:04:13.070 --> 0:04:18.220 Are you moving through the world? Are you trying to 0:04:18.260 --> 0:04:19.100 get girls? 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:21.839 Oh, oh, no, no, no. That was that. Oh, God, no. 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:25.979 I just went, oh, like, are you pretending to like girls? Oh, no, no, no, no. God, no. 0:04:26.020 --> 0:04:26.380 Jesus, no. 0:04:26.420 --> 0:04:30.320 I said Jesus. Oh, God. You almost took me out 0:04:30.360 --> 0:04:31.920 with that. 0:04:31.960 --> 0:04:32.080 No. 0:04:32.100 --> 0:04:34.060 God, no, no, no. Absolutely not. 0:04:34.140 --> 0:04:35.000 Absolutely not. 0:04:37.670 --> 0:04:39.730 You know what it is, but you don't know how 0:04:39.770 --> 0:04:41.810 to verbalize it. So I was like, yeah, I know 0:04:41.830 --> 0:04:43.750 I didn't want no girl. Yeah, I know I didn't 0:04:43.770 --> 0:04:48.530 want no girlfriend, but I wasn't having a boyfriend, but 0:04:48.550 --> 0:04:49.370 I know I didn't want no girl. 0:04:49.430 --> 0:04:50.049 Is it moonlight? 0:04:50.110 --> 0:04:52.350 Is it like handjobs on the beach unexpectedly? 0:04:52.410 --> 0:04:55.589 No. Well, you know, we had this conversation already. Oh. 0:04:55.710 --> 0:04:58.770 I forgot. Oh. 0:04:59.870 --> 0:05:01.890 Oh. I'm not privy. 0:05:01.930 --> 0:05:02.270 What's it? 0:05:02.290 --> 0:05:02.610 What's it? 0:05:05.150 --> 0:05:07.900 I'm a late bloomer in the sexual space. Oh, okay. 0:05:08.240 --> 0:05:11.380 I forgot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's not. 0:05:11.620 --> 0:05:14.620 So who's like, who are you listening to? Like, what 0:05:14.660 --> 0:05:16.080 are you, what are you like, you know, what are 0:05:16.100 --> 0:05:17.920 you into? What are you consuming? 0:05:18.380 --> 0:05:19.900 Oh my God. Well, hell, I don't remember. 0:05:19.940 --> 0:05:21.080 Besides Tommy Philhiger. 0:05:21.160 --> 0:05:27.930 Right, right, right. You know what? I know like, Jhane. Uh-huh. Jhane. 0:05:27.990 --> 0:05:28.810 Yeah. 0:05:29.370 --> 0:05:34.070 Maybe some, when did, Well, the top 10 songs of 0:05:34.120 --> 0:05:34.419 the year. 0:05:34.440 --> 0:05:35.420 Yeah, tell me the top 10 songs. 0:05:35.450 --> 0:05:36.800 Was Gangsta Paradise. 0:05:37.040 --> 0:05:38.219 Oh, I will definitely listen to that. 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:38.919 Waterfalls. 0:05:39.180 --> 0:05:39.980 I definitely, okay, yeah. 0:05:40.020 --> 0:05:41.740 Kissing Crete. Yes. 0:05:41.779 --> 0:05:42.780 Kiss from a Rose Seal. 0:05:42.800 --> 0:05:43.760 I don't know about that. 0:05:44.279 --> 0:05:47.839 You know, I've been kissed by a rose. 0:05:48.080 --> 0:05:52.159 Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, yes, yes, yes. I'm there, yeah. 0:05:52.240 --> 0:05:53.739 All Men Did Need. Yes. 0:05:53.779 --> 0:05:54.660 What's the name? 0:05:54.839 --> 0:05:55.539 Another Night. 0:05:55.860 --> 0:05:56.440 The Real McCoy. 0:05:56.480 --> 0:05:57.140 I don't know that one. 0:05:57.160 --> 0:05:58.589 I don't know that one. 0:05:58.900 --> 0:06:00.060 Fantasy, Mariah Carey. 0:06:00.180 --> 0:06:00.560 Okay. 0:06:00.600 --> 0:06:01.620 Take a bow, Madonna. 0:06:01.900 --> 0:06:02.200 Yes. 0:06:02.560 --> 0:06:04.880 Don't take it personal. Just one of them days, Monica. 0:06:04.940 --> 0:06:05.260 Yes. 0:06:05.580 --> 0:06:06.820 And be my lover, LaBouche. 0:06:06.880 --> 0:06:09.130 Be my lover, LaBouche. And I don't even know if 0:06:09.150 --> 0:06:10.390 this was it, but we was talking about this the 0:06:10.410 --> 0:06:11.710 other day. I was too young singing this song, but 0:06:11.990 --> 0:06:13.810 I don't know if Karen White was out there, Superwoman. 0:06:13.830 --> 0:06:17.050 That was like my... I was a very torn black 0:06:17.089 --> 0:06:17.650 woman back then. 0:06:17.790 --> 0:06:20.550 I was... I was like... You and me both, bitch. 0:06:22.390 --> 0:06:24.039 I was like, why am I singing this? Why am 0:06:24.120 --> 0:06:24.580 I so. 0:06:24.600 --> 0:06:25.640 We used to be on the. 0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:27.100 Going through it. 0:06:27.160 --> 0:06:27.969 Going through it. 0:06:28.000 --> 0:06:29.250 I was in the projects at that time. 0:06:29.270 --> 0:06:30.350 We hadn't moved out of the projects yet. 0:06:30.410 --> 0:06:32.529 And it would be three or four of us girls 0:06:33.360 --> 0:06:36.760 sitting on that project bitch and we had to be 0:06:36.760 --> 0:06:38.200 11 and we would be like. 0:06:38.060 --> 0:06:41.089 I'm not yo. 0:06:40.490 --> 0:06:43.550 We would be oh my god I was very pouring 0:06:43.610 --> 0:06:44.110 it out. 0:06:43.990 --> 0:06:46.330 Seven whole days I was very oh you was. 0:06:46.230 --> 0:06:48.190 Going through it I was going through it I was 0:06:48.250 --> 0:06:50.550 very I don't know what I was going through but 0:06:50.589 --> 0:06:54.070 I was going through those things I'm not gonna cry 0:06:54.130 --> 0:06:56.370 I was very married. 0:06:55.610 --> 0:06:58.360 Same I was in my mother's backseat my mom cause 0:06:58.390 --> 0:07:00.860 Mary J Blige is that girl from my mother and 0:07:00.900 --> 0:07:04.210 the way I was like six seven eight years old, 0:07:04.250 --> 0:07:07.050 just singing about a divorce that never happened to me. 0:07:07.130 --> 0:07:10.320 I don't know what we were all going through, but 0:07:10.360 --> 0:07:15.120 we were all better black women. We were just trying 0:07:15.140 --> 0:07:16.300 to get out and. 0:07:16.260 --> 0:07:18.760 Try to get on our own. So yes, that was 0:07:18.800 --> 0:07:20.060 my thing. 0:07:20.160 --> 0:07:22.080 You're going through a tragic divorce. 0:07:23.160 --> 0:07:23.810 In your mind. 0:07:26.070 --> 0:07:27.630 You got drawers on the outside. 0:07:27.650 --> 0:07:29.850 Yeah, yeah, I got drawers. Drawers on the outside. You 0:07:29.890 --> 0:07:32.170 going through it. You know, back then we was shopping 0:07:32.210 --> 0:07:36.220 at Marigold Round. I remember that. Leather Limited. That's what 0:07:36.240 --> 0:07:37.080 you really wanted to do. 0:07:37.100 --> 0:07:39.700 Marigold Round used to have like the. 0:07:40.400 --> 0:07:41.900 This is before your time. 0:07:42.630 --> 0:07:43.590 So Marigold Round. 0:07:44.430 --> 0:07:47.330 Merry-Go-Round was the store where you bought. 0:07:47.130 --> 0:07:49.490 The brightest jeans that God. 0:07:49.290 --> 0:07:50.270 Had ever created. 0:07:50.310 --> 0:07:53.130 The jeans would be purple, white, orange. 0:07:53.170 --> 0:07:54.810 And they had all of them. All the colors. 0:07:54.870 --> 0:07:58.640 And also, if you had money, they would have these 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:00.240 jeans with suede patches on them. 0:08:00.280 --> 0:08:00.440 Yes. 0:08:00.580 --> 0:08:02.960 So, like, you'd get a bright orange jean with a 0:08:02.980 --> 0:08:03.900 purple suede patch. 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:06.480 You said you can make it look better. 0:08:06.700 --> 0:08:08.280 If you got it like that. 0:08:08.300 --> 0:08:10.740 And that was also the time where you wanted to 0:08:10.780 --> 0:08:12.790 have a coach belt, but you had to have the 0:08:12.810 --> 0:08:13.400 tag dangled. 0:08:13.670 --> 0:08:15.929 Yes. If you did not have the coach. It wasn't real. 0:08:16.010 --> 0:08:18.440 It wasn't real. We did not believe it was real coach. 0:08:18.480 --> 0:08:19.370 If you lost your tag. 0:08:20.100 --> 0:08:23.250 If you had any Coach bag with no tag, get 0:08:23.350 --> 0:08:24.030 it out of here. 0:08:24.130 --> 0:08:25.929 Any Dewey and Brooke bag. 0:08:25.570 --> 0:08:29.050 With no tag, get it out of here. Those are 0:08:29.070 --> 0:08:29.450 the tags. 0:08:29.530 --> 0:08:31.610 I'm learning so much. 0:08:31.870 --> 0:08:36.210 So now, in freshman year, you're like, okay, I need 0:08:36.250 --> 0:08:37.650 a Coach belt. But you're a boy. 0:08:37.770 --> 0:08:38.250 Yeah, I'm a boy. 0:08:38.290 --> 0:08:39.460 Are you clocking the bags? 0:08:39.780 --> 0:08:40.700 Are you clocking bitches' bags? 0:08:40.800 --> 0:08:42.360 No, you know, I didn't really care. The crazy thing 0:08:42.400 --> 0:08:44.980 about it is that wasn't my thing. Like, you know, 0:08:45.000 --> 0:08:47.219 the thing about it, I was always a popular person. 0:08:47.559 --> 0:08:50.730 So the thing... I mean, I wasn't really caring about 0:08:50.750 --> 0:08:53.750 nobody else's stuff because I was, I mean, at that time, 0:08:53.809 --> 0:08:55.010 I know it sounds great, but I guess I was 0:08:55.080 --> 0:08:57.040 setting the trend of what people were supposed to be doing, 0:08:57.080 --> 0:08:58.000 you know, for my school. 0:08:58.300 --> 0:08:59.900 Right. So I didn't really care about the rest of 0:08:59.960 --> 0:09:02.000 it because it was me. Fast forward to the end 0:09:02.080 --> 0:09:04.000 of the week, everybody got boxed. And they did though. 0:09:04.040 --> 0:09:06.990 They really did. They was like living their best life. 0:09:07.550 --> 0:09:11.030 Meanwhile, you've moved on to something else probably. 0:09:11.070 --> 0:09:14.210 Y'all doing that now? 0:09:14.250 --> 0:09:15.210 Jesus. 0:09:15.290 --> 0:09:18.949 Y'all still doing that? I said the cool kids table. 0:09:19.030 --> 0:09:22.410 It was very much you can sit with us. Come 0:09:23.010 --> 0:09:23.610 on now. 0:09:23.650 --> 0:09:24.790 What's going on? Y'all are late. 0:09:25.010 --> 0:09:25.510 Y'all are late. 0:09:25.890 --> 0:09:28.750 I've been here. That was my line. 0:09:28.950 --> 0:09:31.130 We're setting the scene. 0:09:31.170 --> 0:09:32.069 Yeah, I like that. 0:09:32.110 --> 0:09:35.339 We're setting the scene. What kind of I don't know 0:09:35.380 --> 0:09:36.520 much about Toledo. 0:09:36.640 --> 0:09:37.680 Is it very black? 0:09:38.820 --> 0:09:39.140 No. 0:09:39.240 --> 0:09:40.620 Toledo is very mixed. 0:09:40.820 --> 0:09:41.420 It's very mixed. 0:09:41.440 --> 0:09:44.240 Yeah, I didn't get black until I got to Atlanta. Okay. 0:09:44.400 --> 0:09:46.180 A tale as old as time. 0:09:46.220 --> 0:09:46.820 Yeah. 0:09:46.900 --> 0:09:51.110 I was like, so y'all never, only white people y'all 0:09:51.120 --> 0:09:52.510 know is either y'all teacher or y'all boss. 0:09:52.730 --> 0:09:53.500 That's it. 0:09:53.650 --> 0:09:55.590 I was like, so y'all know no other white people? 0:09:55.630 --> 0:09:57.870 And they be like, yeah, no. We don't do that. So, no, 0:09:57.890 --> 0:10:01.680 it was very mixed and culturally diverse. Oh, okay. So, mixy? 0:10:02.179 --> 0:10:04.390 It's farmish. It's farmland. 0:10:04.490 --> 0:10:04.890 Okay. 0:10:04.929 --> 0:10:07.470 So, it's very flat. So, it's not much to do. 0:10:07.790 --> 0:10:10.679 It's quite boring. But we were close to Detroit. So 0:10:10.700 --> 0:10:11.440 we go to Detroit. 0:10:11.460 --> 0:10:12.740 Shout out. That's where you from? 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:13.900 That's where I'm from. 0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:15.679 Oh, so you know about Toledo. Oh, I know about Toledo. 0:10:15.820 --> 0:10:18.200 I was letting you describe. 0:10:19.400 --> 0:10:19.480 It. 0:10:19.520 --> 0:10:20.990 And I was just. 0:10:20.809 --> 0:10:22.830 Like, mm-hmm, that's right. I've driven through that long stretch 0:10:22.870 --> 0:10:24.230 of land in Ohio before. 0:10:24.250 --> 0:10:26.210 But we will always be in Detroit. So that was 0:10:26.309 --> 0:10:28.270 our playground. So we would go, when I was old 0:10:28.290 --> 0:10:29.929 enough to drive, I would be up Detroit, go to 0:10:29.990 --> 0:10:30.550 Palma Park. 0:10:30.730 --> 0:10:33.130 Palma Park? All right, so hold on. All right. Oh, 0:10:33.150 --> 0:10:33.830 I know about Palma Park. 0:10:34.010 --> 0:10:35.610 I didn't know you used to be in Detroit like that. 0:10:35.630 --> 0:10:36.450 Oh, I used to be in Detroit. 0:10:36.470 --> 0:10:37.380 I used to know the word. 0:10:37.390 --> 0:10:42.220 I know about... I know about Club 1X. I know about... Oh, oh. 0:10:42.500 --> 0:10:46.219 I used to be in Detroit, baby. Talking about the 0:10:46.260 --> 0:10:47.460 war with me right now. 0:10:47.480 --> 0:10:50.800 When I tell you, Derek J., those were my formative, 0:10:51.179 --> 0:10:54.420 gay-ass years. Because what you don't know, Sam, is that 0:10:54.480 --> 0:10:55.540 it doesn't exist anymore. 0:10:55.580 --> 0:10:56.420 It burned down. 0:10:56.460 --> 0:10:56.640 Yes. 0:10:58.490 --> 0:10:59.690 Did it burn down from debauchery? 0:11:00.290 --> 0:11:02.210 There's a rumor that it was, like, so shady. 0:11:02.230 --> 0:11:04.069 Most likely. Yeah. 0:11:04.090 --> 0:11:07.360 Yeah, because if those walls could talk in that little 0:11:07.380 --> 0:11:08.520 tiny-ass basement. 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:09.860 It burned it, yes. 0:11:09.880 --> 0:11:11.880 Because, Sam, what you don't know about the Woodward is 0:11:11.920 --> 0:11:15.069 that it was 18 and up. Yes. It was an 0:11:15.070 --> 0:11:17.230 18 and up club. So you literally had like. 0:11:17.230 --> 0:11:18.730 18 and up and for the boys. 0:11:18.970 --> 0:11:19.670 And for the boys. 0:11:19.710 --> 0:11:22.620 And so you had like 18 year old boys mixing 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:23.260 and mingling. 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:24.140 With them grown ass men. 0:11:24.160 --> 0:11:25.380 With them grown ass men. 0:11:25.440 --> 0:11:25.660 Yes. 0:11:25.700 --> 0:11:27.060 That's how Alex likes it. 0:11:27.260 --> 0:11:30.309 Yeah. So I had a lot. 0:11:30.230 --> 0:11:34.030 Of experience, a lot of drinking before I was supposed to. 0:11:34.750 --> 0:11:35.790 I got into a lot of fights. 0:11:35.830 --> 0:11:37.030 This is good to know. 0:11:37.050 --> 0:11:39.130 Also because that club was also known for being the 0:11:39.170 --> 0:11:41.680 spot where you was like, all right, put your dukes up. 0:11:41.860 --> 0:11:44.020 Yes, well, thankfully I never had to fight there. 0:11:44.040 --> 0:11:46.420 Of course not you. But I was victim to a 0:11:46.480 --> 0:11:48.620 couple of assaults, if you will. 0:11:48.980 --> 0:11:50.719 I'm glad that Dirk's here and I get to know 0:11:50.740 --> 0:11:52.760 this side of you because now I can put... I 0:11:52.820 --> 0:11:55.650 can really put the whole story together. This makes sense 0:11:55.710 --> 0:11:58.430 why you ended up in the go-go in New York. 0:11:58.490 --> 0:12:00.840 You had started off young. 0:12:00.880 --> 0:12:05.800 I had a brief go-go dancing career, if you will, 0:12:05.820 --> 0:12:06.900 in New York City. 0:12:06.920 --> 0:12:07.710 Were you at Secrets? 0:12:08.920 --> 0:12:09.640 Derek J. 0:12:09.660 --> 0:12:13.300 And he still won. 0:12:13.320 --> 0:12:15.400 I was at secret level. 0:12:15.470 --> 0:12:16.770 No way. 0:12:17.090 --> 0:12:19.090 Derek, you are a. 0:12:19.090 --> 0:12:21.470 New permanent guest on the pod. 0:12:22.630 --> 0:12:24.949 You're one of my best friends at Bryce Ciccio. 0:12:28.020 --> 0:12:30.650 Alex still won't say if he was pulling his little 0:12:30.690 --> 0:12:32.730 tip out every once in a while. 0:12:32.830 --> 0:12:35.730 I know you won't. 0:12:35.750 --> 0:12:37.250 We're going to have to talk after this. 0:12:39.740 --> 0:12:43.760 Oh, I know your life. You are a mixie girl, honey. 0:12:43.940 --> 0:12:44.050 I see. 0:12:44.059 --> 0:12:45.220 You are very, very mixie. 0:12:45.300 --> 0:12:48.040 Oh my God, it's hot in here now. 0:12:48.420 --> 0:12:49.400 You were mixie. 0:13:03.620 --> 0:13:05.380 So you spent a lot of time in Detroit. 0:13:05.460 --> 0:13:05.900 Yes. 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:07.000 Promo Park was my first place. 0:13:07.020 --> 0:13:07.540 Promo Park. 0:13:07.620 --> 0:13:09.740 Yeah, it was the gay park. I had my first 0:13:09.800 --> 0:13:11.380 little situation at. 0:13:12.860 --> 0:13:16.160 Promo. So Detroit broke the seal up for you. 0:13:16.260 --> 0:13:18.080 Well, not the seal, but yes. It's a whole gay park. 0:13:21.990 --> 0:13:22.970 People don't realize. 0:13:23.170 --> 0:13:24.030 People don't really know. 0:13:24.050 --> 0:13:25.590 I think it's good. Yeah, at night. 0:13:25.770 --> 0:13:26.209 At night. 0:13:26.230 --> 0:13:27.329 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:13:27.450 --> 0:13:29.809 I don't think people really, like, you know, give a lot. 0:13:29.830 --> 0:13:31.850 People don't think about, like, queer community when it comes 0:13:31.870 --> 0:13:35.000 to Detroit, but there's definitely a black queer community that. 0:13:35.050 --> 0:13:35.980 Like, you know. 0:13:36.100 --> 0:13:36.880 It's not that it's not lit. 0:13:36.890 --> 0:13:37.600 It raves me a little bit. 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:40.580 Well, it's only in the Midwest in that part. You're 0:13:40.660 --> 0:13:41.719 only gay at night. At night. 0:13:42.280 --> 0:13:44.680 So you're not gay during the day. During the daytime, 0:13:45.179 --> 0:13:47.980 everybody's very heterosexual during the daytime. 0:13:48.020 --> 0:13:49.670 Even the dykes, what do the studs do? 0:13:49.790 --> 0:13:51.110 Everybody is very. 0:13:51.390 --> 0:13:54.070 The dykes is pulling that bun down. 0:13:54.110 --> 0:13:57.699 You ain't dyking in the daytime. That's what we not doing. 0:13:57.900 --> 0:13:58.460 It's very. 0:13:59.780 --> 0:14:02.239 It's very conservative during the day. But when that night 0:14:02.280 --> 0:14:04.820 pop off, babe, when the sun go down, all hell 0:14:04.840 --> 0:14:05.100 break loose. 0:14:05.120 --> 0:14:07.210 And a lot of people from Ohio, to your point, 0:14:07.280 --> 0:14:09.470 a lot of people from Ohio would come. I would 0:14:09.550 --> 0:14:12.610 meet often a lot of guys from Toledo, from Cleveland. 0:14:13.270 --> 0:14:14.910 And a lot of them were in that ballroom scene. 0:14:14.929 --> 0:14:17.130 A lot of them kind of did that. So especially 0:14:17.150 --> 0:14:19.330 within that Midwest culture, Detroit, Chicago. 0:14:19.390 --> 0:14:21.630 Because that was the only place we could be. Well, 0:14:21.650 --> 0:14:23.310 they could be. Detroit was the spot. You didn't have 0:14:23.330 --> 0:14:26.330 to worry about that. Yeah, for sure. 0:14:26.370 --> 0:14:28.430 Yeah. So what years were you doing that? Were you 0:14:28.950 --> 0:14:30.470 like 90, late 90s? 0:14:30.500 --> 0:14:31.860 When I was 16. So when I was 16, I 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:35.320 was able to drive. Drive, yeah. And I was able 0:14:35.340 --> 0:14:36.280 to get my ass up to Detroit. 0:14:36.320 --> 0:14:37.920 And that's like a four-hour drive? 0:14:38.140 --> 0:14:38.940 From Detroit to Atlanta? 0:14:38.960 --> 0:14:39.200 No, no, no. 0:14:39.220 --> 0:14:42.320 That's like two. No, it's like 45 minutes. Really? Huh. 0:14:42.340 --> 0:14:43.560 We could take Detroit Street. 0:14:43.600 --> 0:14:45.840 You know what? I'm thinking about Sandusky. 0:14:45.920 --> 0:14:46.300 Yes, I know. 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:47.140 Sandusky is dope. 0:14:47.220 --> 0:14:49.000 To go to Cedar Point. 0:14:49.060 --> 0:14:50.390 If you do a good, you can get there in 0:14:50.400 --> 0:14:50.830 about 30 minutes. 0:14:50.900 --> 0:14:54.070 Did you ever do Cedar Point on Father's Day? Specifically because, 0:14:54.090 --> 0:14:57.090 maybe this is a Detroit thing, because a Detroit gay thing. 0:14:57.110 --> 0:15:02.050 There's a Detroit gay queer community kind of like tradition now. 0:15:02.370 --> 0:15:03.390 I don't know if it still. 0:15:03.290 --> 0:15:06.660 Happens, where all of the black gays in Detroit are 0:15:07.040 --> 0:15:08.740 Drive to Cedar Point on Father's Day. 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:09.420 What is Cedar Point? 0:15:09.460 --> 0:15:10.640 Cedar Point is an amusement park. 0:15:10.680 --> 0:15:12.400 It's the best amusement park in the world. It's the 0:15:12.420 --> 0:15:13.390 best amusement park in the world. 0:15:13.410 --> 0:15:13.910 It's an amusement park. 0:15:13.930 --> 0:15:15.670 Do they go on Father's Day because they're like, our 0:15:15.690 --> 0:15:16.540 daddies don't love us because we gay? 0:15:16.550 --> 0:15:17.410 That's usually what it is. 0:15:17.650 --> 0:15:20.310 I think the undertone is like, well, we don't got 0:15:20.610 --> 0:15:22.430 no daddies to spend time with, so we gonna all 0:15:22.450 --> 0:15:23.840 spend time together and go on a roller coaster. 0:15:23.900 --> 0:15:25.100 I like how you get right to the root. 0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:25.760 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:15:25.780 --> 0:15:27.260 So wait, why do y'all go on this day? 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:29.240 We ain't got no daddies to really celebrate, so we 0:15:29.260 --> 0:15:30.320 just gonna all go to a music park. 0:15:30.340 --> 0:15:31.380 Well, I should have been going too. 0:15:31.420 --> 0:15:31.660 Yeah. 0:15:32.140 --> 0:15:32.920 I didn't know. 0:15:32.940 --> 0:15:33.820 You didn't get the invite. 0:15:33.900 --> 0:15:34.720 It was a Detroit thing. 0:15:34.740 --> 0:15:38.070 It was a Detroit specific thing. I'm starting to notice. 0:15:38.130 --> 0:15:39.230 I went like two or three times. 0:15:39.250 --> 0:15:41.330 But you had a dad, so you were false repping. 0:15:41.570 --> 0:15:46.250 Well, so, see, the intention wasn't, that wasn't my intention. 0:15:46.310 --> 0:15:48.070 You know, maybe that was their intention, but I was 0:15:48.090 --> 0:15:49.490 going because all the other gay niggas was going. 0:15:49.510 --> 0:15:50.870 So I'm like, yeah, I'm going to hit your ride. 0:15:50.890 --> 0:15:52.930 So once again, you was being mixed. I was being mixed. 0:15:54.750 --> 0:15:55.390 I'm just saying. 0:15:55.410 --> 0:15:56.830 Somebody I had a crush on was driving. I'm like, 0:15:56.850 --> 0:15:57.710 can I drive up there with you? 0:15:57.730 --> 0:16:00.320 They were there having a little camaraderie over broken homes. 0:16:00.530 --> 0:16:01.780 And you got a good stepdad. 0:16:01.920 --> 0:16:03.180 I mean, my daddy there. 0:16:03.320 --> 0:16:05.540 Sliding your ass around. 0:16:05.560 --> 0:16:07.560 So you were an imposter. But I want to go there. 0:16:07.580 --> 0:16:09.780 I want to go there and see the boy. 0:16:09.800 --> 0:16:11.320 Niggas with daddy should be able to go to the day, 0:16:11.340 --> 0:16:12.860 amusement park day too. 0:16:12.880 --> 0:16:14.900 That's fair, right? I think that's fair. 0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:16.420 Support my boys. 0:16:17.060 --> 0:16:18.900 See, you're learning so much today. I am. 0:16:18.940 --> 0:16:21.110 We are looking back at. 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:30.370 Which is not why we're here. 0:16:30.530 --> 0:16:30.930 So, yes. 0:16:30.970 --> 0:16:33.410 So, 95. 95. We have... You're a freshman. 0:16:33.570 --> 0:16:34.810 Yes. You're a freshman in college. 0:16:35.090 --> 0:16:36.350 No, high school. High school, yeah, yeah. 0:16:36.790 --> 0:16:40.680 So, you are cognizant of the world around you. 0:16:40.920 --> 0:16:41.740 For the most part. 0:16:41.760 --> 0:16:44.910 You're consuming... Where you... Were you raised in a home 0:16:44.930 --> 0:16:46.300 that had the news on all the time? 0:16:46.540 --> 0:16:49.780 No. God, no. My mom was a police officer, and 0:16:49.800 --> 0:16:50.500 she worked nights. 0:16:50.660 --> 0:16:54.880 So me and my sister kind of raised ourselves during 0:16:54.900 --> 0:16:58.660 the day because she was asleep. So no, news was 0:16:58.740 --> 0:17:03.460 not part of our life. But we knew things were happening. 0:17:04.160 --> 0:17:08.010 But we just didn't know what was happening. But we 0:17:08.030 --> 0:17:10.990 knew things were happening. But we wasn't keeping up with it. Well, 0:17:11.170 --> 0:17:14.239 there was certainly one thing that was happening. 0:17:14.260 --> 0:17:19.500 And it was the acquittal of Orenthal James Simpson. 0:17:19.740 --> 0:17:19.960 Yes. 0:17:20.580 --> 0:17:24.370 And you came to us wanting to discuss this. So 0:17:24.460 --> 0:17:29.050 I'm very curious what the vibe was for you in Toledo. 0:17:29.070 --> 0:17:33.170 Yeah, because I had to be... We're around the same age, so... 0:17:33.920 --> 0:17:36.780 I think I was a sophomore, I want to say. 0:17:36.820 --> 0:17:37.490 I was four years old. 0:17:37.500 --> 0:17:38.399 I might have been the night girl. 0:17:38.440 --> 0:17:38.940 Oh, okay. 0:17:38.960 --> 0:17:40.100 We got you. 0:17:40.240 --> 0:17:41.060 Oh, thank you. 0:17:41.260 --> 0:17:43.820 I might have... Sometimes with Alex, it's just you have 0:17:43.840 --> 0:17:44.879 to ignore it. I can't help it. 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:45.260 Okay, gotcha. 0:17:45.300 --> 0:17:46.540 I was like, you have to just. 0:17:46.619 --> 0:17:47.119 Okay. 0:17:47.240 --> 0:17:50.480 Since we all seen where we were, I'm playing with toys. 0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:52.540 I might have been a freshman. 0:17:57.500 --> 0:18:01.580 But I have a very distinct memory of this day. 0:18:01.660 --> 0:18:01.860 Mm-hmm. 0:18:02.400 --> 0:18:03.660 Because we were in class. 0:18:03.720 --> 0:18:06.409 We were in class. Yes. We were in class. 0:18:06.470 --> 0:18:07.750 Oh, so it came out during the day. 0:18:07.869 --> 0:18:08.910 Yes, it came out during the day. 0:18:08.930 --> 0:18:10.210 That's not news you were not during the day. 0:18:11.150 --> 0:18:12.830 But we were very much in class. 0:18:13.070 --> 0:18:15.710 We were very much in class, but we were very 0:18:15.770 --> 0:18:17.730 much involved in this day. 0:18:17.770 --> 0:18:18.110 Oh, no. 0:18:18.250 --> 0:18:20.610 The adults were so involved that they were like, this 0:18:20.670 --> 0:18:21.609 is what we're doing today. 0:18:21.630 --> 0:18:25.510 We're not doing school. We're waiting on this. 0:18:25.530 --> 0:18:26.770 We are not doing school. 0:18:27.290 --> 0:18:28.470 Did they have the TV in your classroom? 0:18:28.490 --> 0:18:30.480 We did. They rolled a TV in the classroom. 0:18:30.520 --> 0:18:36.980 Which I don't think people discussed how fucking crazy that was. 0:18:37.020 --> 0:18:39.320 Pause all education. 0:18:39.800 --> 0:18:42.399 This is not a Supreme Court. 0:18:41.820 --> 0:18:45.640 Judgment coming down about, you know. 0:18:45.859 --> 0:18:47.300 Can black kids read books? 0:18:47.320 --> 0:18:50.139 This is not if schools. 0:18:49.760 --> 0:18:53.310 Are going to get funding. This is salacious, like you said, bullshit. 0:18:53.380 --> 0:18:56.909 Right. And across the country, because you're in Toledo, and 0:18:56.990 --> 0:19:01.949 I am in Stoughton, Massachusetts. So across the country, they 0:19:02.010 --> 0:19:04.200 have stopped educating for the day. 0:19:05.220 --> 0:19:06.720 So we can figure this out. 0:19:06.820 --> 0:19:08.940 If a football player murdered his wife. 0:19:09.080 --> 0:19:10.399 So we can. 0:19:10.500 --> 0:19:12.649 Get to the bottom of this. This is how much 0:19:12.730 --> 0:19:16.140 this was at the heart in the soul of the 0:19:16.320 --> 0:19:19.000 racial fabric of the country at the time. 0:19:19.020 --> 0:19:20.340 Well, and the crazy thing about it is that we 0:19:20.380 --> 0:19:22.620 already had got to the bottom of this. We were... 0:19:22.540 --> 0:19:23.260 We were... Do tell. 0:19:23.280 --> 0:19:28.810 But we were waiting for what we were waiting for. 0:19:28.830 --> 0:19:31.610 But everybody was waiting for something different. 0:19:31.630 --> 0:19:33.050 Everybody was waiting for something. 0:19:33.290 --> 0:19:38.170 Everybody was waiting for something different. I also remember as kids, 0:19:38.369 --> 0:19:43.250 because the adults were so charged up, it was like, 0:19:44.820 --> 0:19:46.300 we clearly had to be on a side. 0:19:46.320 --> 0:19:49.580 I don't really know shit. I know I'm on OJ's side. 0:19:50.470 --> 0:19:51.879 I know that. It's on default. 0:19:51.940 --> 0:19:52.540 I know that. 0:19:52.900 --> 0:19:54.320 I know that's the side I need to be on. 0:19:55.650 --> 0:20:00.570 So, the verdict comes down. What happens in your class? 0:20:00.730 --> 0:20:03.570 What's the racial mix in the classroom? 0:20:03.690 --> 0:20:06.230 What's the color of the teacher? Well, the teacher's white. 0:20:06.450 --> 0:20:09.669 I'm a white teacher. And then it's a mix of 0:20:09.770 --> 0:20:10.890 black and white in the class. 0:20:10.910 --> 0:20:11.119 So, yeah. 0:20:11.230 --> 0:20:13.100 It was a mix of hooray. 0:20:24.040 --> 0:20:26.939 The black kids in my class, we were so fucking 0:20:27.000 --> 0:20:29.980 loud and like, yes! 0:20:32.600 --> 0:20:33.940 Which is so fucking crazy. 0:20:33.960 --> 0:20:34.640 It's crazy, yo. 0:20:34.900 --> 0:20:36.500 Two people have died. 0:20:36.520 --> 0:20:39.050 Two people have died. That is the fact. 0:20:39.070 --> 0:20:41.169 Two people have died. So fucking crazy. 0:20:41.350 --> 0:20:42.790 And we're like, yes. 0:20:43.310 --> 0:20:44.350 God damn it, we did it. 0:20:45.390 --> 0:20:46.010 Hold on. 0:20:46.590 --> 0:20:47.669 Hold on. Yes. 0:20:47.690 --> 0:20:50.649 It's like, I feel like, a little wacky talking about this, 0:20:50.710 --> 0:20:52.310 I have a bit about it right now, but it's, 0:20:52.790 --> 0:20:54.130 we are like, yes. 0:20:54.250 --> 0:20:54.810 Yeah. 0:20:55.390 --> 0:20:57.570 We were so into the victory. 0:20:58.650 --> 0:21:01.490 I don't even remember the white kids. It was like 0:21:01.520 --> 0:21:02.429 they had disappeared. 0:21:02.450 --> 0:21:05.260 It was just like, y'all don't exist no more. 0:21:05.280 --> 0:21:06.740 It's our country right now. 0:21:06.800 --> 0:21:10.760 I remember a kid in the classroom on the other 0:21:10.820 --> 0:21:14.360 side bust out the room and started running down the halls, 0:21:14.420 --> 0:21:17.639 a black kid, going, he's free! He's free! 0:21:17.700 --> 0:21:20.700 He's free! We weren't that wrong. It was so great. 0:21:20.740 --> 0:21:23.520 And I remember my teacher crying. 0:21:24.440 --> 0:21:26.139 And we didn't give a fuck. 0:21:27.960 --> 0:21:31.179 And then it was like, because they didn't get the 0:21:31.200 --> 0:21:33.720 verdict they want, it was like, everybody settle down and 0:21:33.740 --> 0:21:34.620 we're going to do school. 0:21:34.740 --> 0:21:35.960 And the niggas was. 0:21:35.880 --> 0:21:38.609 Like, no, we're not. We're done. 0:21:38.630 --> 0:21:40.830 We're done. Y'all said class is missed. 0:21:40.850 --> 0:21:43.870 School's over. Thank y'all very much. 0:21:43.950 --> 0:21:44.510 It was theory. 0:21:44.550 --> 0:21:45.910 Like, let's get your books out. 0:21:45.950 --> 0:21:47.130 Like, no. 0:21:47.270 --> 0:21:47.830 Everybody focus. 0:21:47.850 --> 0:21:48.360 Everybody focus. 0:21:48.540 --> 0:21:52.679 No. No, no, no, no. We're not focusing right now. 0:21:52.700 --> 0:21:52.770 Wow. 0:21:52.859 --> 0:21:54.120 School's over. School's over. 0:21:54.340 --> 0:21:56.720 I remember kids just started walking out and it was like. 0:21:57.859 --> 0:21:58.500 I mean, we're done. 0:21:58.640 --> 0:21:59.520 We're done. 0:21:59.560 --> 0:22:00.940 Blackness won today. 0:22:01.060 --> 0:22:02.540 Yes, it is. 0:22:02.560 --> 0:22:03.760 Blackness won today. 0:22:04.060 --> 0:22:04.800 Blackness won today. 0:22:04.820 --> 0:22:06.180 For the first time ever, it seems like. 0:22:06.280 --> 0:22:09.490 For the first time ever. Well, it really was for 0:22:09.510 --> 0:22:11.770 the first time ever on that level. 0:22:11.790 --> 0:22:12.970 On that level, yeah. 0:22:13.010 --> 0:22:14.639 Where we could see it. 0:22:14.730 --> 0:22:17.530 Where you could see it and it was like... The 0:22:17.810 --> 0:22:21.450 crookedness of the law worked in our favor. 0:22:21.510 --> 0:22:22.750 Did class continue for you? 0:22:22.770 --> 0:22:25.460 No. Oh. We were done. 0:22:25.480 --> 0:22:27.760 Because the thing about it, because it took up so 0:22:27.859 --> 0:22:32.020 much time. time yeah you know and that was and 0:22:32.060 --> 0:22:34.140 that's just the day we talk about all this stuff 0:22:34.420 --> 0:22:38.080 the slow we was watching the slow Bronco roll and 0:22:39.080 --> 0:22:41.780 it was so many things that happened this was a 0:22:41.820 --> 0:22:43.220 week long affair. 0:22:42.830 --> 0:22:45.429 They was pulling they was I mean the child went 0:22:45.510 --> 0:22:47.510 on for I don't even remember how long and I 0:22:47.550 --> 0:22:49.770 remember that that monitor being. 0:22:49.630 --> 0:22:51.250 Pulled into my classroom at least two or three times 0:22:51.330 --> 0:22:52.890 wow people. 0:22:52.310 --> 0:22:54.469 Were just like we gonna be on top. 0:22:54.350 --> 0:22:56.270 Of what's going on fucking breaking news in the middle 0:22:56.330 --> 0:22:59.590 of the class I just Update after update. 0:22:59.750 --> 0:23:02.020 I mean, listen, if the gloves don't fit, we have 0:23:02.060 --> 0:23:02.560 to acquit. 0:23:02.720 --> 0:23:03.679 I remember. 0:23:04.000 --> 0:23:05.979 I remember. 0:23:06.260 --> 0:23:08.780 I was with my uncle. I'll never forget this, my 0:23:08.820 --> 0:23:10.770 Uncle Jay. I want to remember this. And I was 0:23:10.790 --> 0:23:16.670 at school. And the teacher, I was saying something about 0:23:16.710 --> 0:23:19.030 how I wanted to be a lawyer. And the teacher 0:23:19.050 --> 0:23:20.660 was like, oh, you want to be like Marcia Clark? 0:23:21.140 --> 0:23:23.240 And I was like, no, she lost. 0:23:23.270 --> 0:23:25.170 I want to be Johnny Cochran. 0:23:25.390 --> 0:23:28.630 I want to be on the winning team. I don't 0:23:28.670 --> 0:23:29.310 want to be that. 0:23:29.470 --> 0:23:30.890 My uncle just laughing. 0:23:31.590 --> 0:23:34.859 That's your first joke. I don't want to be no 0:23:34.920 --> 0:23:35.440 losing lawyer. 0:23:35.560 --> 0:23:37.880 I want to be that nigga was cool to me. 0:23:37.920 --> 0:23:41.699 Johnny Cochran at that time was the coolest nigga. As 0:23:41.720 --> 0:23:47.090 a black man, And what he represented to black people. 0:23:47.609 --> 0:23:49.250 Johnny Cochran at that time. 0:23:49.310 --> 0:23:49.670 The GOAT. 0:23:50.210 --> 0:23:51.570 Might as well have been a basketball player. 0:23:51.630 --> 0:23:52.470 Michael Jordan. 0:23:52.670 --> 0:23:56.410 He was the fucking man. And he had the look, 0:23:56.550 --> 0:23:59.910 and he had the curl, and he had the mustache, 0:23:59.990 --> 0:24:02.310 and the suits. And it seemed like he just didn't 0:24:02.330 --> 0:24:04.590 give a fuck what a white motherfucker had to say. 0:24:04.609 --> 0:24:10.520 He truly looked like a quintessential black man in the 90s. 0:24:10.640 --> 0:24:11.300 In that time period. 0:24:11.320 --> 0:24:11.560 That's like. 0:24:12.930 --> 0:24:14.130 every black man sort of looked like. 0:24:14.950 --> 0:24:17.780 But now at my adult age, at your adult age, 0:24:18.540 --> 0:24:19.720 has anything changed? 0:24:19.940 --> 0:24:22.620 Well, at my adult age, even though I'm still happy 0:24:22.660 --> 0:24:24.540 that that happened. 0:24:24.580 --> 0:24:26.640 But then when you look back at it, you're like, 0:24:27.590 --> 0:24:28.810 well that was. 0:24:28.730 --> 0:24:31.670 Fucked up like hey that was fucked up like hey 0:24:31.690 --> 0:24:33.750 guys now that the dust has settled and people are 0:24:33.790 --> 0:24:36.760 gone people are gone now he's gone now two people 0:24:36.780 --> 0:24:38.300 did die let's just let's just get. 0:24:38.280 --> 0:24:39.900 Back to that part this is fucked up. 0:24:39.900 --> 0:24:42.320 Let's get back to that part and then y'all never 0:24:42.440 --> 0:24:44.560 found nobody. 0:24:44.420 --> 0:24:46.359 So it was like so it's just it just it 0:24:46.380 --> 0:24:48.220 just yeah it was. 0:24:48.100 --> 0:24:51.189 Like and I don't Did it, didn't do it. The 0:24:51.250 --> 0:24:52.870 nigga had something to do with it. Right, right, right. 0:24:54.770 --> 0:24:55.629 At the end of the day. 0:24:55.730 --> 0:24:56.170 Yeah. 0:24:56.250 --> 0:24:57.230 It may not have been you. 0:24:57.430 --> 0:24:58.070 May not have been you. 0:24:58.470 --> 0:24:58.730 But. 0:24:59.070 --> 0:25:01.130 Because he was acquitted. 0:25:01.290 --> 0:25:01.930 He was acquitted. 0:25:01.950 --> 0:25:04.050 Which we know the justice... We can't see this thing like... 0:25:04.130 --> 0:25:05.170 We know the justice system. 0:25:05.050 --> 0:25:05.470 Gets fucked up. 0:25:05.490 --> 0:25:07.070 Do you remember all the bits. 0:25:06.930 --> 0:25:07.770 After that, too? 0:25:07.810 --> 0:25:09.010 Comedy changed forever. 0:25:09.030 --> 0:25:10.430 Comedy's always sensitive. 0:25:10.490 --> 0:25:10.850 Yes. 0:25:10.990 --> 0:25:14.649 But if you look back at some of those bits 0:25:14.730 --> 0:25:16.340 that were coming out, I don't remember who it was, 0:25:16.380 --> 0:25:19.000 but I remember watching... somebody it might have even been 0:25:19.080 --> 0:25:20.899 short underwear but i'm not sure so please do not 0:25:20.920 --> 0:25:23.100 quote me but it was a black female comedian who 0:25:23.140 --> 0:25:25.580 was doing oj material at the time and she was 0:25:25.619 --> 0:25:28.340 just like he paying your rent if he say don't 0:25:28.359 --> 0:25:32.020 have a in the house don't have no in the 0:25:32.080 --> 0:25:37.770 house the sentiment around it was up like to be 0:25:37.790 --> 0:25:41.130 the brown family at that time and to see like 0:25:41.609 --> 0:25:46.710 Streets filled with dancing blacks. 0:25:47.190 --> 0:25:51.669 We've been in an unserious culture for a very long time. 0:25:51.710 --> 0:25:53.120 But this is crazy, though. 0:25:53.140 --> 0:25:55.220 This is crazy, though. This is absolutely best. 0:25:55.240 --> 0:25:59.139 But in our defense, we're coming off of a Rodney King. 0:25:59.160 --> 0:25:59.600 Rodney King. 0:25:59.619 --> 0:25:59.840 Yes. 0:26:00.960 --> 0:26:06.300 We're coming off of, which happened again quite recently, because 0:26:06.340 --> 0:26:09.340 especially with black people in this country, history, the nastiest 0:26:09.359 --> 0:26:10.440 part of history, love to repeat itself. 0:26:10.800 --> 0:26:12.139 But we're coming off of a young lady who was 0:26:12.160 --> 0:26:12.820 shot in the store. 0:26:12.840 --> 0:26:13.480 Who was shot in the store. 0:26:14.040 --> 0:26:17.680 But we're coming off of that. And I think, you know, 0:26:17.960 --> 0:26:22.750 OJ for us was like... Finally, we get a lick back. 0:26:22.770 --> 0:26:24.270 We got something. We got something. 0:26:24.530 --> 0:26:26.590 For all the injustices that we've experienced. 0:26:26.609 --> 0:26:29.790 Unfortunately, there is people on the other side of that. 0:26:29.810 --> 0:26:30.450 Yeah, unfortunately. 0:26:30.510 --> 0:26:31.910 Casualties. Of course. 0:26:31.990 --> 0:26:36.070 I'm curious, because your mother was an officer. Do you 0:26:36.090 --> 0:26:37.850 remember what her thoughts were? 0:26:37.869 --> 0:26:39.690 She was happy too. She was happy too? 0:26:39.810 --> 0:26:43.150 I think that there was no black person that was not. 0:26:43.710 --> 0:26:45.650 Even if you were in law enforcement. 0:26:46.869 --> 0:26:48.879 Derek's mom's letting the white crack in. 0:26:49.350 --> 0:26:51.430 Toledo off the hook that night. 0:26:51.450 --> 0:26:54.780 Y'all good. We got it back today. 0:26:54.800 --> 0:26:55.859 Get back behind the wheel drunk. 0:26:56.040 --> 0:26:57.480 I don't care. 0:26:57.500 --> 0:26:59.960 She was like, niggas off the hook. 0:27:00.040 --> 0:27:04.139 Everybody that was black. Not even black, hell, brown. If 0:27:04.180 --> 0:27:07.480 you were brown, you were happy. Like I said, that 0:27:07.500 --> 0:27:08.679 was just a crazy part of it. 0:27:08.760 --> 0:27:11.100 It depended on, there was some Browns that were very 0:27:11.200 --> 0:27:12.600 unhappy that day. 0:27:12.780 --> 0:27:13.350 Oh, well. 0:27:14.030 --> 0:27:15.010 Yeah. 0:27:15.030 --> 0:27:17.610 Well, you know, everywhere, all skinned folk ain't can't fuck. 0:27:17.650 --> 0:27:20.030 Well, and I was just, I'm glad you said that 0:27:20.050 --> 0:27:23.230 because there is like, I do recall also a conversation 0:27:23.290 --> 0:27:24.730 of like some black people. 0:27:24.770 --> 0:27:24.970 Yeah. 0:27:25.710 --> 0:27:29.020 Not necessarily being as thrilled about him really kind of 0:27:29.080 --> 0:27:32.020 clinging to black people because- There was all this talk 0:27:32.060 --> 0:27:33.380 of like, oh, well, he was a football player. 0:27:33.400 --> 0:27:35.040 You know, I'm not black, I'm OJ. 0:27:35.160 --> 0:27:36.919 Well, there was definitely... Well. 0:27:36.980 --> 0:27:37.540 The thing about. 0:27:37.560 --> 0:27:39.440 So like, oh, are we really just going to like, 0:27:39.600 --> 0:27:41.120 you know, galvanize around him? 0:27:41.220 --> 0:27:42.220 Well, I will say this. 0:27:42.320 --> 0:27:46.300 At the end of the day, all with black, especially 0:27:46.340 --> 0:27:48.960 black men, you know, when they get, when they reach 0:27:48.980 --> 0:27:52.879 a certain level of whatever, they always forget about. 0:27:54.160 --> 0:27:54.940 Us. Yeah. 0:27:55.560 --> 0:27:59.720 But the thing, the nature of black people, we always, 0:27:59.859 --> 0:28:01.100 our door was always open. 0:28:01.600 --> 0:28:04.409 It might be cracked, but it's still open. And we 0:28:04.490 --> 0:28:06.130 always let them slide on it. I mean, it still 0:28:06.150 --> 0:28:06.890 happens to this day. 0:28:06.950 --> 0:28:07.130 Yeah. 0:28:07.350 --> 0:28:07.950 You know what I'm saying? 0:28:08.150 --> 0:28:10.960 What's that man, um, Jonathan Majors did whatever the hell 0:28:11.000 --> 0:28:12.140 he was doing and all that stuff. 0:28:12.400 --> 0:28:13.780 And then guess who he had to come riding on 0:28:13.800 --> 0:28:16.400 back to? You know? Had to put on. 0:28:16.320 --> 0:28:16.900 That Kente clothes. 0:28:17.080 --> 0:28:20.040 And let me tell you something. My back will forever 0:28:20.080 --> 0:28:21.080 be turned on that one. 0:28:21.570 --> 0:28:23.639 I mean, but you know, but it just happens all 0:28:23.680 --> 0:28:24.030 the time. 0:28:24.070 --> 0:28:28.210 I'm curious to, so to that, because this was also 0:28:28.290 --> 0:28:29.770 the year of, it was a little bit later. 0:28:29.790 --> 0:28:31.530 It was like the year of the Million Man March 0:28:31.930 --> 0:28:32.790 in 1995. 0:28:32.790 --> 0:28:38.530 So I'm wondering like what your relationship was has always 0:28:38.610 --> 0:28:44.350 been with heterosexual black men, like cisgender? 0:28:44.670 --> 0:28:47.840 Have you always had, have you been comfortable, always had like, 0:28:47.860 --> 0:28:48.190 you know? 0:28:48.600 --> 0:28:54.000 So that, I'm glad you asked that question. So that question, 0:28:55.220 --> 0:28:57.420 I'm still working through today. 0:28:57.520 --> 0:28:57.820 Really? 0:28:57.880 --> 0:29:01.860 And not for a bad reason. Not for a bad reason. Surprisingly, 0:29:02.300 --> 0:29:06.570 it was always surprising to me, heterosexual cis. 0:29:06.350 --> 0:29:07.979 Black men Love me. 0:29:08.180 --> 0:29:08.600 I could see. 0:29:08.680 --> 0:29:09.660 I could tell that. But. 0:29:10.400 --> 0:29:13.940 We've been so conditioned to always be on guard for it. 0:29:14.460 --> 0:29:17.300 So I never know what to do. Even now, I 0:29:17.560 --> 0:29:18.100 still don't know. 0:29:18.260 --> 0:29:19.240 I'm like, am I shaking your hand or am I 0:29:19.240 --> 0:29:20.580 hugging you? Am I shaking my hand or am I 0:29:20.580 --> 0:29:22.780 hugging you? What are we doing? What's happening? What's going on? 0:29:22.860 --> 0:29:25.510 Are you being nice? Do you like me? What's going on? 0:29:25.570 --> 0:29:30.310 So it's all of this. But I've never had... It's 0:29:30.670 --> 0:29:31.790 been absolutely crazy. 0:29:31.810 --> 0:29:33.790 I think that's the nature of being gay, though. 0:29:33.830 --> 0:29:34.250 Absolutely. 0:29:34.270 --> 0:29:36.590 Because I feel the same way as a woman. Especially 0:29:36.610 --> 0:29:38.830 with black women. Because I do think there's a part 0:29:38.870 --> 0:29:42.209 of us that knows I'm going to get fried for this. 0:29:42.540 --> 0:29:43.460 But there's a part of us. 0:29:43.480 --> 0:29:44.600 She feels like this every episode. 0:29:44.620 --> 0:29:45.580 She starts saying something crazy. 0:29:45.600 --> 0:29:46.459 I'm about to get beat up for this. 0:29:47.060 --> 0:29:48.500 Because I know how niggas are. 0:29:49.140 --> 0:29:50.160 They're like. 0:29:50.240 --> 0:29:53.570 Because you speak very bluntly. You don't really sugarcoat anything. 0:29:53.590 --> 0:29:57.410 There's a part of us that knows how our community 0:29:57.690 --> 0:29:58.690 feels about gay shit. 0:29:58.770 --> 0:29:59.050 Yes. 0:29:59.170 --> 0:30:00.170 Or talks about gay shit. 0:30:00.190 --> 0:30:01.280 They get mad and we call that out. 0:30:01.310 --> 0:30:04.920 Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So when I figured out 0:30:04.980 --> 0:30:07.060 I was gay, I was always very. 0:30:08.970 --> 0:30:12.210 Conscious of how I was around black women. 0:30:13.020 --> 0:30:13.780 Specifically. 0:30:14.440 --> 0:30:19.180 Women period. But black women specifically because I never wanted 0:30:19.220 --> 0:30:22.490 them to think I was trying to do something. So 0:30:22.590 --> 0:30:26.210 it's like I'm keeping it to the point where like 0:30:27.220 --> 0:30:29.520 Even my girl now, she'll be like, that bitch was 0:30:29.580 --> 0:30:31.660 hitting on you. And I'm like, no, she wasn't. 0:30:31.680 --> 0:30:32.200 No, no. 0:30:32.220 --> 0:30:36.490 Because I'm so like, I'm not trying to do that. 0:30:36.570 --> 0:30:38.270 I'm not trying to. No, that's my problem. 0:30:38.290 --> 0:30:40.090 I don't want to assume nothing about, like, unless you 0:30:40.190 --> 0:30:43.380 in a gay club, You are going to miss me. 0:30:43.410 --> 0:30:43.730 Yeah. 0:30:43.910 --> 0:30:45.300 I promise. Because I'm so. 0:30:45.380 --> 0:30:46.680 Even if you're in my gay club, you got to 0:30:46.840 --> 0:30:47.760 damn near hit me upside my head. 0:30:47.780 --> 0:30:50.760 Yeah. Because I've had none of y'all niggas no attention. 0:30:50.800 --> 0:30:53.920 No mind. No mind. There's a space of it. 0:30:53.900 --> 0:30:58.219 That is from a fear of offending someone with my 0:30:58.300 --> 0:31:01.640 sexuality and then just being cussed out by a black woman. Mm-hmm. 0:31:02.540 --> 0:31:04.740 I think if you've been raised by a black woman, 0:31:04.760 --> 0:31:07.300 you don't... You just want to avoid being cussed out 0:31:07.320 --> 0:31:09.520 by all cars. So it's like, I just don't want 0:31:09.540 --> 0:31:11.260 some woman to be like, but bitch, I ain't gay. 0:31:11.300 --> 0:31:12.860 What the fuck? You know what I mean? 0:31:12.900 --> 0:31:13.480 So it's just like. 0:31:13.500 --> 0:31:15.380 And that's definitely, to Derek's point, how you step as 0:31:15.400 --> 0:31:17.820 a man, too. Because, like, you know, I feel you 0:31:17.880 --> 0:31:18.140 on that. 0:31:18.160 --> 0:31:18.920 I never really know. 0:31:18.810 --> 0:31:19.830 What I'm walking into. 0:31:19.960 --> 0:31:21.740 Well, especially when I come in as Derek James. 0:31:21.770 --> 0:31:22.410 When you show up. 0:31:22.430 --> 0:31:23.890 When I show up. And I'm like. 0:31:24.290 --> 0:31:28.710 I remember one year, rest in peace, Biz Marquis, who 0:31:28.870 --> 0:31:30.070 I adore. 0:31:30.330 --> 0:31:31.210 But I didn't, like. 0:31:32.640 --> 0:31:35.810 I met Biz, and he like, yo. I was like, 0:31:36.610 --> 0:31:38.430 and I'm like, I got a captain, I'm see-through, I 0:31:38.450 --> 0:31:40.430 got that booty short, so I'm like, you. 0:31:40.370 --> 0:31:42.290 Talking to me? And he's like, yeah, I'm that nigga. 0:31:42.350 --> 0:31:45.210 I was like, okay. So I was like, I left that. 0:31:45.390 --> 0:31:46.950 But every time he's like, he picks me up, he 0:31:46.990 --> 0:31:49.709 hugs me, so I'm like, but I will always just 0:31:49.750 --> 0:31:50.170 be like. 0:31:50.350 --> 0:31:51.450 What is happening here? 0:31:51.490 --> 0:31:52.630 But just like black affection. 0:31:52.650 --> 0:31:53.700 But just black affection. 0:31:53.720 --> 0:31:59.560 But it's so many black men show me so much affection. Like, 0:31:59.580 --> 0:32:02.440 you know, and it's very... And it's still hard for 0:32:02.460 --> 0:32:04.040 me to accept a lot of times. Like I said, 0:32:04.140 --> 0:32:08.500 I don't know. I'm like, what is happening here? And 0:32:08.560 --> 0:32:10.840 everybody's like, why are you thinking too much into it? 0:32:10.840 --> 0:32:12.570 I'm like, I'm not thinking too much into it. 0:32:12.620 --> 0:32:13.090 It's just that. 0:32:13.180 --> 0:32:16.030 There's a weird conditioning. It's a weird condition that needs 0:32:16.050 --> 0:32:16.730 to be broken. 0:32:16.810 --> 0:32:20.130 This is playing so much to me for you because 0:32:20.270 --> 0:32:21.930 I would have to say, and I'm sure you've gotten 0:32:21.950 --> 0:32:23.610 this before, watching. 0:32:23.310 --> 0:32:25.810 You on Real Housewives. 0:32:24.990 --> 0:32:29.450 Of Atlanta and like, Seeing you and Miss Lawrence, there 0:32:29.470 --> 0:32:31.000 will be certain scenes where y'all will. 0:32:30.860 --> 0:32:31.760 Be with the husband. 0:32:31.820 --> 0:32:32.080 Yes. 0:32:32.280 --> 0:32:35.460 And those are some of my favorite scenes because they'll 0:32:35.480 --> 0:32:38.040 be getting into it about something and you are watching 0:32:38.080 --> 0:32:41.700 you observe. Can you tell me what your thought process 0:32:41.740 --> 0:32:43.540 is during certain scenes there? 0:32:43.640 --> 0:32:47.990 Because you look comfortable, but you're also like... I'm on edge. 0:32:48.490 --> 0:32:52.710 Even with Peter Thomas. Peter Thomas and Greg Leakes are 0:32:52.750 --> 0:32:54.050 my two favorite husbands. 0:32:54.090 --> 0:32:54.710 Yeah, really? 0:32:54.750 --> 0:32:55.050 Yeah, recipe. 0:32:55.490 --> 0:32:56.290 Oh, my God. 0:32:56.510 --> 0:32:58.170 I love Greg Moore, and I like Nene. And I 0:32:58.170 --> 0:33:00.400 tell her all the time, I'm like, where's your husband? 0:33:01.100 --> 0:33:01.640 I don't like. 0:33:01.960 --> 0:33:06.980 And then as far as Peter, with Peter, Peter just 0:33:07.160 --> 0:33:08.810 always just. 0:33:08.650 --> 0:33:10.230 Treats me like me. I remember I was at his 0:33:10.250 --> 0:33:11.510 club one day, I had some booty talk. He was like, 0:33:12.650 --> 0:33:14.310 come here, come here, come here, girl. I was like, what, Peter? 0:33:14.350 --> 0:33:16.030 He was like, why the fuck you got them short songs? 0:33:16.310 --> 0:33:16.730 I said. 0:33:17.830 --> 0:33:19.570 What's wrong with my shorts? And he was like, you 0:33:19.590 --> 0:33:21.969 got to work your thighs out. You can't have no 0:33:22.010 --> 0:33:24.230 fat thighs with them shorts on. I was like, wait, 0:33:24.290 --> 0:33:25.570 that's your problem with these shorts? 0:33:25.590 --> 0:33:28.150 Why is this Caribbean black man yelling at me about 0:33:28.190 --> 0:33:28.750 my booty shorts? 0:33:28.790 --> 0:33:30.050 It wasn't even the. 0:33:29.930 --> 0:33:31.170 Fact that I had booty shorts on the heels. He 0:33:31.190 --> 0:33:34.260 was like, if you're going to wear these... Wear them right. 0:33:34.280 --> 0:33:34.440 Yeah. 0:33:34.480 --> 0:33:37.200 You can't have your fat on the thing. Wear them right. 0:33:37.220 --> 0:33:37.980 But I love that. 0:33:38.100 --> 0:33:41.080 I love that black men in Atlanta are like, look, 0:33:41.120 --> 0:33:42.040 if I'm going to be around some. 0:33:41.960 --> 0:33:43.560 Black, if I'm going to be around. 0:33:43.240 --> 0:33:44.060 Some gays, you're going to step it up. 0:33:44.080 --> 0:33:45.100 You're going to step it up. 0:33:45.180 --> 0:33:47.640 And that's basically what it was with Peter. I love that. 0:33:47.700 --> 0:33:49.190 So Peter and Greg are my two favorites. 0:33:49.350 --> 0:33:52.370 I was obsessed with scenes which you interact with the 0:33:52.410 --> 0:33:54.270 husbands because those were my favorite moments. 0:33:54.310 --> 0:33:57.930 The rest of them husbands. I mean, I love Apollo too. 0:33:58.010 --> 0:33:58.330 Sure. 0:33:59.170 --> 0:34:00.810 But the rest of the husbands, you know. I don't 0:34:00.830 --> 0:34:04.110 really know them like that. But those are my... But 0:34:04.170 --> 0:34:07.080 Peter and Greg, those are my people. 0:34:07.100 --> 0:34:09.200 Also, totally unrelated, but on this side, do you and 0:34:09.219 --> 0:34:09.980 Sharae go back. 0:34:09.840 --> 0:34:12.660 To Ohio at all? No. Oh, okay. No, no, no, no, no. 0:34:12.739 --> 0:34:13.400 She's from Cleveland. 0:34:13.420 --> 0:34:14.040 She's from Cleveland. 0:34:14.080 --> 0:34:14.620 Okay. 0:34:14.640 --> 0:34:18.819 So yeah, Sharae was with Lawrence. I was... Oh, yes, yes, yes. 0:34:18.860 --> 0:34:23.310 So Sharae was with Lawrence. I was technically... With Kim. 0:34:23.530 --> 0:34:26.430 Oh, you were with Miss Wig. You were with Miss 0:34:26.450 --> 0:34:27.030 Wig's friend. 0:34:27.160 --> 0:34:30.400 Alex, this is the gayest I've ever seen. 0:34:30.700 --> 0:34:33.060 Oh, you know the gayest. I love Housewives. Yeah, what 0:34:33.080 --> 0:34:34.180 are you talking about? 0:34:34.219 --> 0:34:35.980 You've discussed Housewives before. 0:34:36.000 --> 0:34:37.500 I think I'm just going to leave and let you 0:34:37.560 --> 0:34:40.050 and Derek do whatever this is. 0:34:54.000 --> 0:34:56.300 This is a Housewives reunion. 0:34:56.400 --> 0:34:57.899 I was just curious. 0:34:57.960 --> 0:35:00.000 I was really just trying to talk to him about 0:35:00.180 --> 0:35:03.300 the scenes with the husbands. We're talking about black men 0:35:03.320 --> 0:35:05.489 and how you interact with cis black men. 0:35:05.770 --> 0:35:06.630 I was like. 0:35:07.170 --> 0:35:08.710 So what about them wigs? 0:35:11.330 --> 0:35:14.230 But he had favorite husbands and everything. That was in 0:35:14.250 --> 0:35:16.770 connection to me trying to get into your relationships. 0:35:16.330 --> 0:35:17.890 With white people. But Greg and Peter are mine. 0:35:21.810 --> 0:35:22.049 Mm-hmm. 0:35:22.430 --> 0:35:22.910 I love that. 0:35:22.950 --> 0:35:25.290 And now in your present day, are you. 0:35:25.690 --> 0:35:29.250 Do you have, like, straight men in your life that you, like, 0:35:29.310 --> 0:35:30.370 ride hard for? 0:35:30.390 --> 0:35:31.969 Well, not ride hard, but, like, you know, like. 0:35:32.030 --> 0:35:33.609 Paws. Right. 0:35:33.890 --> 0:35:36.230 Like, will, you know, defend to the ends of the earth? Like, 0:35:36.250 --> 0:35:37.900 do you have those kinds of connections at all? 0:35:37.910 --> 0:35:42.260 Oh, yes. So, Terry J. Vaughn's husband, Karan, Joseph Riley, 0:35:42.989 --> 0:35:44.490 is my brother. Like, I. 0:35:44.719 --> 0:35:48.140 Karan, I love. My barber that I work with on set, Tamika's, 0:35:48.440 --> 0:35:53.719 he is, like... Tamika's is... he is, he be ready 0:35:53.739 --> 0:35:54.960 to fight in the club. I'll be like, yo, yo, yo, 0:35:55.140 --> 0:35:55.600 calm down. 0:35:55.620 --> 0:35:59.520 He's like, don't, that nigga was looking at you crazy. Chill. Chill. 0:35:59.840 --> 0:36:02.960 I had this, by this one, one little boy, not 0:36:03.080 --> 0:36:04.160 little boy, I don't want to call him that, but 0:36:04.180 --> 0:36:08.299 he's a young man. And I'm like, how did I 0:36:08.340 --> 0:36:10.719 get you? Like, I need to, I'm like, where did 0:36:10.760 --> 0:36:12.540 you come from? So I was like, so I have, 0:36:12.660 --> 0:36:14.960 I do have these men in my life that are amazing. 0:36:15.020 --> 0:36:18.359 What do you think it is about yourself that, like 0:36:18.380 --> 0:36:21.560 you said, straight, guys flock to you that way? 0:36:21.660 --> 0:36:23.960 You know, like Biz Markie picking you up. What do 0:36:23.980 --> 0:36:24.890 you think that is about you? 0:36:24.920 --> 0:36:27.200 So what I had to, I don't know if y'all, like, 0:36:27.219 --> 0:36:28.770 you know, if y'all believe in aura and all that 0:36:28.790 --> 0:36:30.969 kind of stuff and all this. So the thing, what 0:36:30.989 --> 0:36:34.090 I've learned about myself is that I do have a 0:36:34.230 --> 0:36:35.210 feminine presence. 0:36:35.250 --> 0:36:36.630 I have a feminine aura. 0:36:36.989 --> 0:36:39.350 Even though I look masculine, I might just have, I'm 0:36:39.370 --> 0:36:42.469 a boy with a woman, but I have a very womanly, 0:36:42.730 --> 0:36:46.120 motherly touch that a lot of people get drawn and 0:36:46.160 --> 0:36:46.739 attracted to. 0:36:47.270 --> 0:36:49.150 And that's what a lot of people see. 0:36:49.630 --> 0:36:53.900 And it's uncomfortable to me because that's not what I want. 0:36:54.060 --> 0:36:55.580 Like, you know, I don't want you, I don't want 0:36:55.600 --> 0:36:56.879 you to see me in that light. 0:36:57.020 --> 0:36:57.239 Right. 0:36:57.280 --> 0:36:58.719 But that's what a lot of people, that's what a 0:36:58.719 --> 0:37:00.770 lot of men see in me. 0:37:00.800 --> 0:37:03.140 And it's like, I'm not, I'm not, even if I'm 0:37:03.200 --> 0:37:07.000 dressing all dirty, I'm not, you know, what's how they, 0:37:07.080 --> 0:37:08.380 I don't make them feel uncomfortable. 0:37:08.600 --> 0:37:08.739 Right. 0:37:08.760 --> 0:37:10.430 You know, I don't make, I make them, they feel 0:37:10.469 --> 0:37:12.930 very comfortable in the space. So they're just like, hey. 0:37:13.300 --> 0:37:13.859 I want you to be my friend. 0:37:13.880 --> 0:37:15.799 I think because you're comfortable in the space. I think 0:37:15.820 --> 0:37:18.630 that's also a part of it. Kind of like the 0:37:19.010 --> 0:37:22.670 unspoken part that sometimes I think people don't want to discuss. 0:37:22.750 --> 0:37:24.290 Of course there's homophobia. 0:37:24.410 --> 0:37:25.569 Of course there's homophobia. 0:37:25.950 --> 0:37:26.919 Of course there are people who just. 0:37:26.840 --> 0:37:28.180 Don't like gay people because they're gay. 0:37:28.580 --> 0:37:33.080 But sometimes I think what happens is a person so 0:37:33.120 --> 0:37:34.180 uncomfortable with themselves. 0:37:34.850 --> 0:37:35.270 that they. 0:37:35.170 --> 0:37:41.760 Come in projecting energy and expectation that then happens. Whereas 0:37:41.860 --> 0:37:45.420 if they weren't bringing that, it might have gone another way. 0:37:45.460 --> 0:37:46.240 Another way, yeah. 0:37:46.560 --> 0:37:49.719 And it also just surprises me. I mean, I get, 0:37:50.480 --> 0:37:52.819 when I meet somebody new, it always surprises me. Like 0:37:52.980 --> 0:37:55.939 on the last show I was on, it was, I met, 0:37:56.300 --> 0:37:58.299 we worked with Method Man. And when he came in 0:37:58.320 --> 0:37:58.680 the trailer. 0:37:58.700 --> 0:38:01.089 He was like, I know you. And I was like, 0:38:02.320 --> 0:38:02.930 Little old me? 0:38:03.070 --> 0:38:09.570 You know me? I had a similar encounter with Method Man. 0:38:09.670 --> 0:38:15.290 I know exactly what you're going through. 0:38:15.390 --> 0:38:17.010 I was like, hello. He's so amazing. 0:38:17.030 --> 0:38:17.700 He's very nice. 0:38:17.860 --> 0:38:21.300 He's very nice. He's so amazing. It was nothing. 0:38:21.900 --> 0:38:24.100 We all have good methods. 0:38:24.180 --> 0:38:26.600 It was nice to meet you. You got good methods. 0:38:26.620 --> 0:38:29.600 So it's like, when you meet these people, I just 0:38:29.620 --> 0:38:31.180 got finished with A Different World. 0:38:32.530 --> 0:38:36.290 That whole cast, all those guys on that cast, amazing. 0:38:36.350 --> 0:38:40.109 Looking forward to that. Oh, it's a show. Okay. 0:38:40.150 --> 0:38:42.109 But all the shows I've worked on, it's very like 0:38:42.150 --> 0:38:44.469 when you meet these people, it's like they are just 0:38:45.030 --> 0:38:46.770 amazing humans. 0:38:46.989 --> 0:38:49.130 And it's just great. 0:38:49.310 --> 0:38:52.370 When you were watching the OJ trials and you saw 0:38:52.450 --> 0:38:54.430 Marsha Clark, were you like, I could do her hair 0:38:54.450 --> 0:38:54.950 better than that? 0:38:55.860 --> 0:38:57.200 You know, I wasn't doing hair then. 0:38:57.239 --> 0:38:58.069 Oh, you wasn't doing hair yet? 0:38:58.360 --> 0:38:58.910 I'm taught. 0:38:59.239 --> 0:38:59.609 Oh, okay. 0:38:59.650 --> 0:39:02.490 I'm a taught hairstylist. I wasn't, I'm not no child prodigy. 0:39:02.530 --> 0:39:03.450 You wasn't like braiding hair? 0:39:03.710 --> 0:39:06.790 Braiding hair. I started hair at 18. 0:39:06.790 --> 0:39:07.149 Oh, really? 0:39:07.170 --> 0:39:08.029 So, first time in high school. 0:39:08.050 --> 0:39:09.810 Yeah, first time in high school. So, everything I know 0:39:09.850 --> 0:39:12.330 is taught. So, hair wasn't even my thing back then. 0:39:12.350 --> 0:39:16.590 Well, now, looking back at it, now, as a professional 0:39:16.630 --> 0:39:18.629 taught hairstylist, what are you doing? What were your thoughts 0:39:18.690 --> 0:39:19.550 on Marsha Clark's hairstyle? 0:39:19.590 --> 0:39:21.150 I don't even know who the fuck Marsha Clark is. 0:39:21.160 --> 0:39:24.000 She was the prosecuting attorney. 0:39:24.219 --> 0:39:26.469 I remember they were giving her a lot of shit 0:39:26.489 --> 0:39:27.250 about her hairstyle. 0:39:27.270 --> 0:39:27.989 Oh yeah, she looked crazy. 0:39:28.030 --> 0:39:28.930 She had a bad haircut. 0:39:30.290 --> 0:39:32.570 Perm it was a bad perm she needed Derek Jay 0:39:32.989 --> 0:39:35.710 well yeah at that time she didn't she needed Derek 0:39:35.750 --> 0:39:38.469 Jay she needed Derek Jay with the drawers outside of 0:39:38.510 --> 0:39:40.819 the pants right there you go getting that hair together 0:39:40.989 --> 0:39:42.120 but back then. 0:39:41.930 --> 0:39:46.080 What is it that you wanted to do yeah. 0:39:47.420 --> 0:39:49.219 Back then did you know you seem like you're really 0:39:49.239 --> 0:39:52.190 into fashion I wasn't. Oh, okay. 0:39:52.230 --> 0:39:54.190 I wanted to be like a flight attendant or something. Like, 0:39:54.230 --> 0:39:54.710 I wanted to be. 0:39:54.830 --> 0:39:56.180 Like, I know I wanted to deal with people. I 0:39:56.739 --> 0:39:59.960 just didn't know at what... You know, in my. 0:40:00.890 --> 0:40:01.190 You know. 0:40:01.880 --> 0:40:03.340 If I could have, I probably would have been a 0:40:03.380 --> 0:40:05.680 go-go dancer, too. 0:40:08.010 --> 0:40:13.350 Not a secret, though. I cannot believe. Y'all was on 0:40:13.370 --> 0:40:18.009 top of that bar. Not a secret. But no, probably 0:40:18.070 --> 0:40:19.120 like a flight attendant. 0:40:19.400 --> 0:40:22.359 Something real, you know, just in the customer service stuff, 0:40:22.380 --> 0:40:23.759 but you'd still be able to be a little fab. 0:40:24.140 --> 0:40:25.640 Yeah. Yeah, yeah. 0:40:25.719 --> 0:40:26.100 And gay. 0:40:26.120 --> 0:40:28.930 Because, you know, back then, male flight attendant was pretty 0:40:28.950 --> 0:40:29.469 much gay. 0:40:29.489 --> 0:40:31.770 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:40:32.170 --> 0:40:36.130 Honestly, I had a straight flight attendant coming back home 0:40:36.210 --> 0:40:37.009 from New. 0:40:36.950 --> 0:40:41.680 York on Monday. A straight male flight attendant. I didn't 0:40:41.719 --> 0:40:42.030 like it. 0:40:43.500 --> 0:40:44.400 What did you dislike about it? 0:40:44.540 --> 0:40:45.360 I didn't like it. 0:40:45.400 --> 0:40:48.719 It was aggressive in a way I didn't enjoy. It's 0:40:48.739 --> 0:40:49.860 just not how I want to be when I'm in 0:40:49.880 --> 0:40:52.180 the skies. It was just like. 0:40:52.200 --> 0:40:53.580 You need a delicate flight attendant. 0:40:53.620 --> 0:40:54.560 Yeah, we're in the skies. 0:40:54.580 --> 0:40:56.680 There's a vibe of the air. And he was just 0:40:56.780 --> 0:40:57.060 like a. 0:40:57.380 --> 0:40:59.970 Boy, you know? He was like, just so y'all know, 0:41:00.610 --> 0:41:04.070 my flight attendants are over there hours and they staying 0:41:04.230 --> 0:41:05.670 just to get y'all back he. 0:41:05.550 --> 0:41:07.170 Barking at y'all you like hey I need you to 0:41:07.190 --> 0:41:09.590 be a little bit more soft but I would. 0:41:09.530 --> 0:41:11.930 Argue I would argue given the current state of the 0:41:11.969 --> 0:41:14.109 way people are flying these days you need a little 0:41:14.150 --> 0:41:16.850 of that energy people are acting up on these flights 0:41:16.890 --> 0:41:17.310 you need. 0:41:17.190 --> 0:41:19.270 An enforcer a little bit but I would have liked 0:41:19.370 --> 0:41:20.470 for the gay guy to take. 0:41:20.360 --> 0:41:22.960 The lead sure We need gay energy on the flight. 0:41:23.060 --> 0:41:23.520 On the mic. 0:41:23.800 --> 0:41:24.050 On the mic. 0:41:24.060 --> 0:41:26.540 And he could just handle the rip rap. 0:41:26.580 --> 0:41:28.779 So, yeah. So, gay and women energy on the mic. 0:41:28.880 --> 0:41:30.660 On the mic. I didn't like that on the mic. 0:41:30.780 --> 0:41:32.620 It's a gay job. It's gay. It's a gay job. 0:41:32.640 --> 0:41:33.840 Donald Trump said black jobs. 0:41:33.860 --> 0:41:34.549 This is a gay job. 0:41:34.570 --> 0:41:36.149 Don't take gay jobs from gay people. 0:41:36.170 --> 0:41:37.830 Don't take gay jobs from gay people. 0:41:38.170 --> 0:41:42.830 And the only masculine energy that I want, if it's 0:41:42.989 --> 0:41:43.790 on the plane, is pilot. 0:41:43.810 --> 0:41:45.790 That's the only person I want to hear talking like that. 0:41:45.810 --> 0:41:47.630 Well, you don't want a gay pilot? You don't want 0:41:47.650 --> 0:41:49.589 to hear Derrick J fly? You don't want to hear 0:41:49.610 --> 0:41:50.000 Derrick J? 0:41:50.110 --> 0:41:50.509 I don't know. 0:41:50.550 --> 0:41:53.400 Derrick J, give us your finest pilot speech. 0:41:53.560 --> 0:41:54.360 I'm not saying. 0:41:54.400 --> 0:41:54.620 No. 0:41:54.700 --> 0:41:59.880 Yeah, I know. Well, it's two places. The pilot. But 0:41:59.900 --> 0:42:02.569 you do need one in the back. In the back? 0:42:02.890 --> 0:42:05.710 In the back. Because my back be heavy sometimes. You 0:42:05.730 --> 0:42:06.330 need a little help. 0:42:06.450 --> 0:42:06.710 Yeah. 0:42:06.750 --> 0:42:08.420 You know, the women don't really want to help you. 0:42:08.430 --> 0:42:08.790 That's true. 0:42:08.850 --> 0:42:10.310 And the gays don't want to help you neither. They 0:42:10.330 --> 0:42:14.620 be like, well... You're a boy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Should 0:42:14.640 --> 0:42:15.400 have checked. 0:42:16.600 --> 0:42:16.799 It. 0:42:16.820 --> 0:42:18.339 So we need somebody to help us with our bags. 0:42:18.380 --> 0:42:18.759 That's true. 0:42:18.780 --> 0:42:19.569 We're figuring this out. 0:42:19.590 --> 0:42:20.430 We're figuring this out. 0:42:20.630 --> 0:42:22.910 And I wouldn't mind a gay pilot. 0:42:22.969 --> 0:42:23.230 No. 0:42:23.390 --> 0:42:24.210 You wouldn't mind a gay pilot? 0:42:24.250 --> 0:42:24.630 No. 0:42:25.230 --> 0:42:26.550 I don't know. I'm going to get my pilot's license. 0:42:26.570 --> 0:42:27.890 You want to fly on my airline? 0:42:28.090 --> 0:42:30.370 I don't know if I want a gay pilot that 0:42:30.450 --> 0:42:31.470 I can hear is gay. 0:42:31.590 --> 0:42:31.780 Ooh. 0:42:31.800 --> 0:42:32.320 Uh-oh. 0:42:32.340 --> 0:42:34.980 Because every gay doesn't have a gay voice. 0:42:35.000 --> 0:42:36.640 You want to see what mask they're presenting to me? 0:42:36.660 --> 0:42:36.940 Oh. 0:42:37.380 --> 0:42:39.680 Now we getting into Trump politics now. Now we getting 0:42:39.719 --> 0:42:40.600 into Republican politics. 0:42:40.680 --> 0:42:43.080 Every gay pilot has a gay voice. 0:42:43.239 --> 0:42:45.580 So if it's a male pilot, it has to be 0:42:45.640 --> 0:42:49.550 mass presenting. But it could be a lesbian mask. 0:42:49.570 --> 0:42:50.990 Do you want a woman flying? 0:42:51.030 --> 0:42:52.230 She said no films on her flight. 0:42:52.250 --> 0:42:52.969 Women can fly. Women can fly. 0:42:52.989 --> 0:42:55.630 She said no films on her flight. But she got 0:42:55.650 --> 0:42:58.270 to be stood. 0:42:58.870 --> 0:43:03.450 I feel safe with a dyke pilot. Can we say that? 0:43:03.550 --> 0:43:04.410 I'm good with a dice. 0:43:04.450 --> 0:43:06.310 She has been and she will. She will. 0:43:06.390 --> 0:43:08.350 I'll be good with a dice. I don't know if they... 0:43:08.250 --> 0:43:09.830 Every time I say that word, they get mad at me. 0:43:09.870 --> 0:43:12.860 The dice? No, it's her word. It's actually. 0:43:12.910 --> 0:43:13.580 It's her word. 0:43:13.620 --> 0:43:15.779 So I let it... We let it fly over here 0:43:15.800 --> 0:43:16.300 with her. 0:43:16.340 --> 0:43:19.540 Yeah, my... Period. We let it fly. You can't say that. 0:43:19.580 --> 0:43:24.339 I'm like... I can't even say bulldagger. That was bad. 0:43:24.380 --> 0:43:25.620 That was bad. 0:43:25.969 --> 0:43:27.140 We're divorcing now. 0:43:27.160 --> 0:43:29.169 Now your drawers are outside. 0:43:28.850 --> 0:43:33.770 Of your chance again. I can't say that. No, I'm learning. 0:43:33.810 --> 0:43:35.500 We're divorcing now. 0:43:35.510 --> 0:43:37.430 We are learning. 0:43:37.650 --> 0:43:38.950 At the end of the day, we're all learning. 0:43:39.130 --> 0:43:40.690 Two people were dead. 0:43:41.250 --> 0:43:44.510 A black man was free. And we were happy. 0:43:44.530 --> 0:43:45.850 And we partied in the streets. 0:43:45.890 --> 0:43:46.850 And we partied in the streets. 0:43:48.489 --> 0:43:49.830 We didn't party like that. 0:43:49.890 --> 0:43:52.910 We didn't party like that again in the faces of 0:43:52.969 --> 0:43:54.609 white people until President Obama. 0:43:54.870 --> 0:43:55.330 Yeah. 0:43:55.710 --> 0:43:58.700 I was thinking the next time we felt hopeful as 0:43:58.820 --> 0:44:01.100 a group was Obama. 0:44:01.120 --> 0:44:02.799 I'm sure Obama loves that. 0:44:03.040 --> 0:44:05.740 OJ got acquitted of murder. And we were like, maybe 0:44:05.780 --> 0:44:06.399 things have changed. 0:44:06.420 --> 0:44:07.160 Maybe things have changed. 0:44:07.340 --> 0:44:07.620 Man. 0:44:08.380 --> 0:44:10.710 There's hope and change. Now we can get a president. 0:44:11.150 --> 0:44:13.230 Yeah. Can we do that now? O.J. 0:44:13.370 --> 0:44:17.150 Had to stab so Obama could fly. 0:44:17.230 --> 0:44:19.580 Obama said, you know what? I could be the president now. 0:44:19.590 --> 0:44:19.950 Here we go. 0:44:20.010 --> 0:44:22.660 No, but they could kill a white man. 0:44:22.880 --> 0:44:24.840 I could be the president. I could be the president 0:44:24.940 --> 0:44:25.660 of this motherfucker. 0:44:27.120 --> 0:44:29.399 We get Obama on the podcast. He's like, I heard 0:44:29.440 --> 0:44:29.840 the episode. 0:44:29.860 --> 0:44:34.489 Sorry, sir. Sorry, sir. Love your work. That was my catapult. 0:44:34.510 --> 0:44:35.290 He might. Come on. 0:44:42.570 --> 0:44:43.630 I'm not mad at that theory at all. 0:44:43.650 --> 0:44:46.549 We're going to get in trouble for this episode. It's 0:44:46.570 --> 0:44:50.969 Derek James' episode that takes us down. Of all episodes. 0:44:51.010 --> 0:44:54.950 Of all episodes. But the thing about this, but me 0:44:54.969 --> 0:44:56.290 and Alex have other things we have to talk about 0:44:56.310 --> 0:44:56.750 without you. 0:44:57.030 --> 0:44:57.469 That's true. 0:44:57.489 --> 0:44:59.529 So that's why we're getting to our... I've. 0:44:59.250 --> 0:45:01.469 Honestly been feeling that the entire time. 0:45:01.489 --> 0:45:04.109 I mean, listen. I mean, we have some... We have some. 0:45:04.130 --> 0:45:06.170 Actually, there was some names mentioned. 0:45:06.190 --> 0:45:06.350 I truly. 0:45:06.370 --> 0:45:08.510 There was some names mentioned. 0:45:08.650 --> 0:45:11.770 I've been thinking of those guys. I just got to 0:45:11.790 --> 0:45:13.930 make sure I didn't put a dollar in your pants, bro. 0:45:16.820 --> 0:45:18.540 And what would have been so wrong with it? 0:45:19.320 --> 0:45:22.580 I was a struggling young black upstart in New York City. 0:45:22.620 --> 0:45:24.660 I had no idea what I was doing. I hadn't 0:45:24.880 --> 0:45:27.140 even gotten on stage yet. I was a comic kid. 0:45:27.160 --> 0:45:28.520 I have one thing to say to you. 0:45:28.540 --> 0:45:29.400 Tell me what you have to say. 0:45:29.420 --> 0:45:31.219 I'm sending your mother this episode. 0:45:32.140 --> 0:45:36.420 Directly to her phone. I was like, hey, you know, 0:45:36.440 --> 0:45:38.069 you should really check out what me and Allison have 0:45:38.090 --> 0:45:39.609 been doing. 0:45:39.650 --> 0:45:41.410 Her goal is to get my mother on this show 0:45:41.430 --> 0:45:43.029 so she can antagonize me. 0:45:43.310 --> 0:45:46.030 I think that would be good. 0:45:46.110 --> 0:45:46.669 You think so? 0:45:46.750 --> 0:45:48.529 Well, because the thing about, she obviously doesn't know a 0:45:48.550 --> 0:45:49.149 lot about you. 0:45:49.250 --> 0:45:50.629 She knows plenty. She knows enough. 0:45:50.770 --> 0:45:54.040 Let's say that. I mean, but there's so much more 0:45:54.060 --> 0:45:56.980 to know. Obviously. Obviously. I mean, you leave a lot 0:45:57.020 --> 0:45:59.219 of things out. Wow, Alex. 0:46:00.370 --> 0:46:00.689 I knew. 0:46:01.030 --> 0:46:01.629 What did you know? 0:46:01.650 --> 0:46:02.190 I knew. 0:46:02.370 --> 0:46:02.930 What did you know? 0:46:02.950 --> 0:46:04.469 I knew when you brought up this go-go thing, it 0:46:04.489 --> 0:46:08.109 was seedier than. 0:46:06.610 --> 0:46:10.209 You were making it sound. I knew. I knew. 0:46:10.230 --> 0:46:11.569 In fact, I feel like I told you what the 0:46:11.610 --> 0:46:13.529 name of it was in our first episode. 0:46:13.640 --> 0:46:14.660 And you were like, yeah, I was going to go. 0:46:14.660 --> 0:46:16.180 And I asked you, I said, was it the type 0:46:16.200 --> 0:46:17.680 of place where you had to pull a tip out 0:46:17.840 --> 0:46:19.939 every once in a while and show a little tip? 0:46:20.180 --> 0:46:21.839 And you were like, I don't know about all that, 0:46:21.900 --> 0:46:23.420 but from the sounds of the seediness. 0:46:25.640 --> 0:46:26.940 It was a black club. 0:46:26.980 --> 0:46:27.620 It was a black club. 0:46:27.640 --> 0:46:29.800 It was a black party. It was a black club. 0:46:29.980 --> 0:46:33.120 I'm just saying, you was making it. It was like 0:46:33.200 --> 0:46:34.110 in a warehouse. 0:46:34.410 --> 0:46:36.210 It was in a warehouse. 0:46:36.330 --> 0:46:38.030 With no sign. It was just a very. 0:46:38.090 --> 0:46:39.110 It was a secret. 0:46:39.270 --> 0:46:41.529 It was a secret. It was a secret. 0:46:41.570 --> 0:46:43.430 It was a brick building with a door. 0:46:43.510 --> 0:46:44.790 I knew it was a CD. 0:46:44.810 --> 0:46:47.190 I was like, Toto, we are not at the Woodward anymore. 0:46:47.230 --> 0:46:49.450 Definitely not. 0:46:49.969 --> 0:46:51.050 I knew it was a CD. 0:46:51.750 --> 0:46:53.250 Well, you know, when you come up from seedy things, 0:46:53.290 --> 0:46:57.430 seedy beginnings, you only gravitate toward the seedy things. 0:46:57.450 --> 0:46:59.089 I blame the men of the Woodward for this. 0:46:59.130 --> 0:47:00.670 You blame the men of the Woodward? Shout out to 0:47:00.690 --> 0:47:03.149 the men of the Woodward, those who are still with us. 0:47:03.670 --> 0:47:07.830 You raised me. Some of you touched me inappropriately. But 0:47:07.950 --> 0:47:09.850 I am the man I am now, talking to Derek J. 0:47:09.930 --> 0:47:10.460 Yeah, there you go. 0:47:10.469 --> 0:47:12.350 About your tit being out. 0:47:12.370 --> 0:47:14.379 So I know that this is very off the subject, 0:47:14.550 --> 0:47:15.819 but I just want to get your opinion on this 0:47:15.860 --> 0:47:16.200 real quick. 0:47:16.239 --> 0:47:18.219 Because you just said what you just said. So now, 0:47:18.440 --> 0:47:20.820 because you were a child at the Woodward. 0:47:21.060 --> 0:47:21.980 I was a child of the womb. 0:47:22.020 --> 0:47:22.259 Yes. 0:47:22.540 --> 0:47:24.600 And you know, all of us were children, especially in 0:47:24.620 --> 0:47:25.440 the black gay world. 0:47:25.460 --> 0:47:25.720 Yeah. 0:47:25.760 --> 0:47:29.600 We were children doing things that we shouldn't have been doing. 0:47:30.040 --> 0:47:32.919 But it's really, and it was very inappropriate. Yes. 0:47:33.480 --> 0:47:35.920 But is that not, I mean, I guess it's not 0:47:35.960 --> 0:47:39.140 acceptable now, but was it acceptable then? 0:47:39.180 --> 0:47:40.570 Because we didn't really talk about it. 0:47:40.840 --> 0:47:42.500 You know what, for me- Is that abuse? 0:47:42.880 --> 0:47:43.560 Were we abused? 0:47:44.850 --> 0:47:49.890 I think about that sometimes. 0:47:49.930 --> 0:47:50.450 I do too. 0:47:50.630 --> 0:47:53.650 I think that, you know, in now the conversation that 0:47:53.670 --> 0:47:56.469 we're having these days about like grooming and like, you know, 0:47:56.930 --> 0:47:59.670 older men kind of like preying on like younger men. I, I, 0:48:00.719 --> 0:48:04.219 I accept that as like a valid observation of like 0:48:04.340 --> 0:48:06.900 what happens in our community, in our culture sometimes. 0:48:07.360 --> 0:48:08.180 But I'd like to. 0:48:08.140 --> 0:48:11.980 Give myself personal, like a personal sort of just like, 0:48:12.300 --> 0:48:16.280 Oh man, That was me being like a young rebel, 0:48:16.700 --> 0:48:18.210 like hanging around these young men. 0:48:18.350 --> 0:48:19.930 It was something I knew I wasn't supposed to be 0:48:19.950 --> 0:48:20.750 doing with these older men. 0:48:20.770 --> 0:48:21.630 Because we were fast. 0:48:21.850 --> 0:48:24.049 I was just being fast. I was just kind of 0:48:24.070 --> 0:48:27.720 like not really sure. And I had, I can honestly 0:48:27.760 --> 0:48:30.340 say I had autonomy in every situation. 0:48:29.880 --> 0:48:30.399 I was in. 0:48:30.440 --> 0:48:31.520 Shout out to being fast. 0:48:31.980 --> 0:48:33.060 Just shout out to being fast. I was fast. 0:48:33.080 --> 0:48:33.540 I was fast. 0:48:33.660 --> 0:48:36.450 I was fast. i got because when you're gay too 0:48:36.469 --> 0:48:37.910 because like i got. 0:48:37.489 --> 0:48:39.670 My older boy on a staircase. 0:48:39.250 --> 0:48:41.930 See let's see straight straight fast and gay fast those 0:48:42.010 --> 0:48:43.330 are two different types of fast because. 0:48:43.210 --> 0:48:45.390 Like when you're younger and i'm sure in your experience 0:48:45.430 --> 0:48:45.650 like we. 0:48:45.630 --> 0:48:48.149 Didn't really know we there was no space to learn 0:48:48.210 --> 0:48:50.590 you weren't dating you weren't no no you weren't i 0:48:50.610 --> 0:48:54.430 wasn't dating openly boys at 15 16 i was. 0:48:54.450 --> 0:48:57.989 Acting like i did like girls i think with a 0:48:58.010 --> 0:49:00.530 lot of that stuff you find that with uh trans 0:49:00.590 --> 0:49:03.450 women you find it with gay boys i would say 0:49:03.530 --> 0:49:04.989 a lot more than gay girls but it also happens 0:49:05.010 --> 0:49:08.890 with gay girls but i think the symptom that i 0:49:08.910 --> 0:49:10.930 think is beyond that i think especially when we were 0:49:10.950 --> 0:49:14.890 growing up and in the past because it was so 0:49:15.310 --> 0:49:19.670 wrong and sordid and secret when you do that i 0:49:19.690 --> 0:49:23.370 think to any group, you make them seek.... 0:49:24.400 --> 0:49:31.069 Seedier stuff. Seedier stuff. To... Act out their feelings. 0:49:31.130 --> 0:49:32.029 And like you were saying. 0:49:32.110 --> 0:49:34.239 And that then, because they're not letting you take a 0:49:34.260 --> 0:49:36.760 nigga to the prom or go to a Sadie Hopkins 0:49:36.800 --> 0:49:40.100 dance with a boy, you end up at some seedy 0:49:40.260 --> 0:49:41.420 warehouse with Alex's titties. 0:49:44.060 --> 0:49:47.510 You that up at Palmer Park at night in the 0:49:47.550 --> 0:49:51.330 backseat of a car with some random man you don't. 0:49:50.750 --> 0:49:53.089 Know doing things you're not supposed to be doing. I 0:49:53.110 --> 0:49:53.930 did a lot of things. 0:49:53.950 --> 0:49:55.610 Because they're not giving healthy avenues. 0:49:55.770 --> 0:49:59.130 That's why I love programs like Bagley and the Gay Prom. 0:49:59.190 --> 0:50:01.390 And I really love stuff like that because I'm like, 0:50:01.670 --> 0:50:03.910 when you don't provide stuff like that for queer kids, 0:50:04.330 --> 0:50:06.210 that only left to go mingle. 0:50:05.930 --> 0:50:06.710 With the adults. 0:50:06.750 --> 0:50:10.500 Yeah. And I think that was like, yeah. 0:50:10.820 --> 0:50:13.480 And it just, but at the same time though, Derek, 0:50:13.700 --> 0:50:16.040 I can, I would be crazy to not say the 0:50:16.060 --> 0:50:18.640 fact that as much as that was happening, there was 0:50:18.840 --> 0:50:22.820 also like older gay guys than me at that time 0:50:22.920 --> 0:50:24.280 who were looking out for me also. 0:50:24.320 --> 0:50:24.779 Right, right, yeah. 0:50:24.820 --> 0:50:26.810 You know, so I think that like, it was a 0:50:26.850 --> 0:50:27.450 mixed bag. 0:50:27.469 --> 0:50:29.009 It was a mixed bag of both things and I 0:50:29.030 --> 0:50:32.189 don't look at the experience I had growing up in that, 0:50:32.630 --> 0:50:35.810 I don't look at it with a negative, Because, you know, 0:50:36.630 --> 0:50:38.969 there are plenty of questions that should be questioned and 0:50:38.989 --> 0:50:43.360 be asked about me being around those groups of people. 0:50:44.120 --> 0:50:46.690 But at the same time, I think I can hold 0:50:46.770 --> 0:50:49.560 my young self accountable by being like... Yeah, I was 0:50:49.600 --> 0:50:51.520 being a little bad boy. You know, I was like, 0:50:51.540 --> 0:50:52.819 you know, but I know that's not the case for 0:50:52.920 --> 0:50:56.009 every young queer person. Sometimes people are actually preyed on. 0:50:56.030 --> 0:50:57.690 And I know for a fact I probably was preyed on, 0:50:57.930 --> 0:50:58.649 you know, in that way. 0:50:58.790 --> 0:51:00.810 But you liked it. We all got preyed on. We 0:51:00.870 --> 0:51:02.690 all got preyed on. But you liked it, though, in 0:51:02.730 --> 0:51:03.170 that situation. 0:51:03.190 --> 0:51:05.570 Yeah, and you know what it informs? Now it informs how. 0:51:05.650 --> 0:51:07.010 I move as a grown. 0:51:07.050 --> 0:51:07.660 Yeah, as an adult. 0:51:07.680 --> 0:51:10.820 Like, I don't... When young 20-somethings come up to me, 0:51:10.820 --> 0:51:13.060 I just be like, look, I'm... Please, no. 0:51:13.120 --> 0:51:13.600 Please, no. 0:51:14.140 --> 0:51:14.710 Look, because I. 0:51:15.100 --> 0:51:16.060 you don't want this. 0:51:16.160 --> 0:51:18.899 At all. You don't want this. I don't want this. 0:51:19.040 --> 0:51:21.370 Also, you're not ready for what's going on over here. 0:51:21.410 --> 0:51:23.430 Be with somebody your age. 0:51:23.469 --> 0:51:26.969 Please. Wow. 0:51:27.010 --> 0:51:28.750 Because I know what I was doing. I know I 0:51:28.810 --> 0:51:30.860 had no idea what I was getting myself into. 0:51:30.920 --> 0:51:32.980 I think as a woman, I feel the same way. 0:51:33.020 --> 0:51:36.050 Like when young girls are like, I'm like, I'm. 0:51:35.910 --> 0:51:37.469 40-something, what we used to be. 0:51:37.790 --> 0:51:38.529 You know what I mean? 0:51:38.570 --> 0:51:39.489 I have nothing for you. 0:51:39.570 --> 0:51:41.150 They're like, I don't care. 0:51:41.190 --> 0:51:43.169 But you're like, but no. 0:51:43.250 --> 0:51:45.990 I'm mature for my age, bitch. 0:51:46.110 --> 0:51:47.660 I've said the same thing you're saying. 0:51:47.700 --> 0:51:49.560 You can't be. You cannot be. 0:51:49.580 --> 0:51:50.780 You're wrong. 0:51:50.860 --> 0:51:52.580 You actually cannot be. 0:51:52.600 --> 0:51:55.680 You're actually dumb. Stop it. Go away. You know I. 0:51:55.600 --> 0:51:57.560 Know you're not mature for your age because you said 0:51:57.739 --> 0:51:58.360 I'm mature. 0:51:58.160 --> 0:51:59.200 For my age. 0:51:59.340 --> 0:52:04.279 So we're already finished here. I think that's a good 0:52:04.300 --> 0:52:04.930 place to end it. 0:52:04.940 --> 0:52:09.440 Now we're finished. Thank you, Derek and Jay, so much. 0:52:09.580 --> 0:52:10.960 Thank you. It was amazing. 0:52:11.160 --> 0:52:13.859 Let the people know where you are in the world online, 0:52:13.890 --> 0:52:15.030 what you got going on. 0:52:15.200 --> 0:52:16.970 Let them know. A different world is coming out. 0:52:17.010 --> 0:52:18.670 A different world is coming out. A different world is 0:52:18.690 --> 0:52:21.110 coming out now. And then July, I don't know when 0:52:21.150 --> 0:52:22.430 it's airing. When is it airing? 0:52:22.530 --> 0:52:23.629 It's going, I don't know. I don't know. 0:52:23.710 --> 0:52:27.090 Okay, well, DR from Detroit is coming out too. 0:52:27.250 --> 0:52:28.830 You in Detroit. 0:52:29.050 --> 0:52:29.410 I know. 0:52:29.469 --> 0:52:31.170 And I had a good time with them too. 0:52:31.190 --> 0:52:32.090 So DR from Detroit. 0:52:33.960 --> 0:52:37.259 A different world. And then a little birdie said. Uh-oh. 0:52:37.870 --> 0:52:41.049 P-Valley season three. Uh-oh. Is at the end of the year. 0:52:41.150 --> 0:52:42.810 That's my shit. Yeah, so. 0:52:43.090 --> 0:52:45.029 Exclusive, because I definitely didn't hear about that. 0:52:45.160 --> 0:52:47.000 I mean, look. We'll see. I'm just saying what the 0:52:47.020 --> 0:52:49.460 people see. We'll see. But other than that, then I'm 0:52:49.480 --> 0:52:51.719 Derek J. Hare on everything, child. I'm not hard to find. 0:52:51.800 --> 0:52:52.070 Derek J. 0:52:52.060 --> 0:52:54.260 Hare. Yeah, if you just put Derek J. Hare and stuff. 0:52:54.300 --> 0:52:55.960 Just look for the blowing caftan. 0:52:56.000 --> 0:52:56.500 Yeah, you go. 0:52:56.520 --> 0:52:58.660 Look for the caftan. 0:52:59.120 --> 0:53:04.190 Thank you, everybody, for listening. Once again, like, share, subscribe, comment, rate, review. 0:53:04.430 --> 0:53:07.010 All of that fine stuff. We love you for listening. 0:53:07.590 --> 0:53:08.830 And you'll be hearing from us again soon. 0:53:09.050 --> 0:53:09.310 Peace. 0:53:09.510 --> 0:53:09.850 Bye. 0:53:11.350 --> 0:53:13.570 Look Back At It is a production of iHeart Media, 0:53:13.750 --> 0:53:14.630 and this is important. 0:53:14.910 --> 0:53:18.110 It is co-hosted by me, Sam Jay, and Alex English. 0:53:18.510 --> 0:53:19.930 Theme music by Aaron Kaufman. 0:53:20.150 --> 0:53:23.750 It is executive produced by Lindsay Hoffman, Anna Hosnier, and 0:53:23.790 --> 0:53:29.430 Jenna Cagle. Co-produced, mixed, and mastered by Carmen Laurent. 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