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Speaker 2: it's hard to beat eight on five, Joe, but the
Speaker 2: ref did show their ugly head the night. But look,
Speaker 2: we'll get into bad a little later. But the Thunder
Speaker 2: beat the Lakers one twenty five to one oh seven.
Speaker 2: They had what one, two, three, four, five, six guys
Speaker 2: in double figures. Hartenstein was five or six from the floor.
Speaker 2: He had ten, Check was twenty two points seven of eleven.
Speaker 2: Shae was seven to thirteen, was in foul trouble, and
Speaker 2: Jay Mitchell played unbelievable ball tonight. He had twenty points
Speaker 2: Case and Wallace had twelve. Jerry McClain had eighteen, and
Speaker 2: it was just too much for the Lakers to overcome.
Speaker 2: And I knew once the Lakers they had a lead
Speaker 2: when Shaye went to the bench and I say, if
Speaker 2: y'all don't increase this lead, it's gonna get ugly when
Speaker 2: he comes back into the ball game in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 2: And that is exactly what happened. And that's what happened
Speaker 2: the last time, Joe. Every time Shaye goes out, most
Speaker 2: of the time, when teams lose their best player being
Speaker 2: his his ref time, or he gets in fil trouble,
Speaker 2: the other team claws into the league. But not with
Speaker 2: this Thunder team. They're able to expand the lead. And
Speaker 2: it's kind of like what we saw with the Warriors
Speaker 2: when they were in their prime. That backup unit would
Speaker 2: come in and whatever lead the unit the starters had,
Speaker 2: they would expand on it. And if they didn't have
Speaker 2: the lead, they would claw into it, and they would
Speaker 2: have the lead once they started came back in the game.
Speaker 2: But the Thunder win one twenty five to one oh seven.
Speaker 2: Take a commanding two o lead. Joe, what is it
Speaker 2: that the Okay Thunders? What the Thunder are doing? And
Speaker 2: how do the Lakers at some point in time late
Speaker 2: in the fourth quarter make this series competitive?
Speaker 1: Joe? You muted.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I think the thing is, Ojoe,
Speaker 2: while Joe gets his mic uh straightened out, is that
Speaker 2: they've done a number believable job in the first two games.
Speaker 2: Shaye is averaging basically twenty points a game. He normally
Speaker 2: averages thirty one points a game, shoot at a very
Speaker 2: high efficiency. Now he don't you know, he got what
Speaker 2: seven of his twenty two points gaming?
Speaker 1: Go ahead? Go ahead? Joe, Yeah bad, My bad, My bad.
Speaker 1: I don't know what. I don't know what the Lakers
Speaker 1: canna do.
Speaker 3: I just think OKC is just way too disciplined, can Ojo?
Speaker 3: You think about it? Hell caseon Wallace played more minutes
Speaker 3: than Shade to Night. Yes, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: I just think, you know, they got too many guys
Speaker 3: who can beat you that they're so poison patience and
Speaker 3: what and what they do collectively as a team, and
Speaker 3: we're just keeping it one hundred Fellas. The Lakers just
Speaker 3: ain't got enough. I mean, hell, without Luca, that's thirty
Speaker 3: three points a night. Look, you probably could get away
Speaker 3: with that in the Houston series, but not against the
Speaker 3: defending champs. Fellas, you need somebody who can go out
Speaker 3: here and help. No Ar played great to night. I
Speaker 3: thought Broun has been solid. Hell, Roochie Rui is playing great,
Speaker 3: But you just need another guy to bro.
Speaker 1: They just got too many.
Speaker 3: Look, Jim McCain came in here, he don't They don't
Speaker 3: miss a beat when they say okay see. You know,
Speaker 3: they got guys coming off the bench, bro, who get
Speaker 3: right to it, and they're not afraid of the moment.
Speaker 3: I think, okay see, it's still the most dangerous team
Speaker 3: in the postseason. Bro. They just they gotta pluck the
Speaker 3: guys who they can go to or who assert themselves
Speaker 3: and are willing to step up to the challenge.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was disappointed in Lebron's play tonight. Joe. He
Speaker 1: wasn't aggressive at all.
Speaker 2: He was very content to just stand in the corner
Speaker 2: and then try to get the ball at the nail
Speaker 2: and then try to do something that's not gonna cut it.
Speaker 2: The guy stole the ball from the head of guy
Speaker 2: on his backside. He let lou Dor come over top.
Speaker 2: That's that's unacceptable. And the little flurry that he had
Speaker 2: in the fourth quarter, that's not enough.
Speaker 1: We needed that. We need that assertiveness.
Speaker 2: In the third quarter, when Shade gets to the hey
Speaker 2: call the guys and say, look, this is where we
Speaker 2: try to get some separation. This is where we try
Speaker 2: to put some distance between us and them. Their best
Speaker 2: players gone, and what do they do? Politely? The team
Speaker 2: goes on the what a thirteen fourteen to two run.
Speaker 2: I'm like, are you kidding me? Are you kidding me?
Speaker 2: Nobody has the world withal everybody getting beat off the dribble.
Speaker 2: Then you come help. They kicking wide open threes. Now
Speaker 2: you go small. You can't keep chet off the glass.
Speaker 2: But I was just disappointed. And again two rebounds. Remember
Speaker 2: last night, Joe he had no rebounds. Yeah, none, with
Speaker 2: about two minutes left in the third quarter. Yeah, he
Speaker 2: got one and then one hit the floor and he
Speaker 2: just picked it up. Now they ain't gonna get it done.
Speaker 2: They ain't gonna get it done. We're gonna look at
Speaker 2: this and say, what he shoot fifty from the floor.
Speaker 2: That's not good enough because okay, when are those points coming?
Speaker 2: We needed those points a lot of We needed those
Speaker 2: points in the third quarter. Yeah, that's when you because
Speaker 2: this is the closest the Lakers have really been to him.
Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden, Shade goes to the bench.
Speaker 2: They step on the gas with basically their backups and
Speaker 2: don't look back tail.
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, but hey, Joe, you got to think about it, right,
Speaker 4: I mean, this is what we expected. This is what
Speaker 4: we've seen from Okay, see all season long, regards to
Speaker 4: who their opponent was, regards to who they were playing.
Speaker 4: We've seen Shaye go out. We've seen Shade not play,
Speaker 4: and we've seen that that that that that team still
Speaker 4: be afloat because of what they have, that the way
Speaker 4: that team is running, the way that team is constructed
Speaker 4: is by committee. So even if Shade does go down,
Speaker 4: they still have enough ballers and shit, and uh, some
Speaker 4: of these other young fellas Hartenstein and uh Lou Door
Speaker 4: I mean not not Lou Door.
Speaker 5: But Mitchell, I mean Caruso.
Speaker 4: They all come in and contribute and and and do
Speaker 4: what they're supposed to do, whether the goddamn thunder chose
Speaker 4: to go big or small. The Lakers really never had
Speaker 4: the firepower to be able to to be able to
Speaker 4: hang with him, and they can't go score for score.
Speaker 5: You mentioned when when Shaye went out.
Speaker 4: It's time for the Lakers to take advantage of those
Speaker 4: situations and kind of close the gap or or or
Speaker 4: try to close the gap to maybe maybe close the lead.
Speaker 5: But they still don't have enough. And then you're trying.
Speaker 4: You ask for Lebron to be able to summons it up,
Speaker 4: but again, Lebron is still that forty one year old
Speaker 4: that you always talk about, right, so he keeps.
Speaker 2: I think the thing is plus too many turnovers. Marcus
Speaker 2: mart has been really careless with the ball. How many
Speaker 2: let me think about this, Joe, how many illegal picks.
Speaker 2: There's not a game that's gone by that Jackson Hayes
Speaker 2: hadn't got a moving screen call. Yeah, he gets won
Speaker 2: every game, Bro, you have to be still Yeah, and.
Speaker 1: He gets won every game.
Speaker 2: Sometimes he gets to a game, I'm like, Bro, you've
Speaker 2: been in the league far too long. And then you
Speaker 2: look at the riff like what he's telling you you're moving,
Speaker 2: you have to be stationary. Yeah, amazy passes And I'm like,
Speaker 2: are you kidding me? But I don't believe. I don't believe.
Speaker 2: But I'm saying all you can hope for is to
Speaker 2: get the game late in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1: It with a chance to win.
Speaker 2: But when you down, for you down sixteen with three
Speaker 2: minutes to go against that team, you're not coming.
Speaker 1: Back, you know. But think about this coming back and
Speaker 1: if somebody.
Speaker 2: Would have told me, say, hey, guess what Shay's gonna
Speaker 2: be only averaging twenty point in Game two, he's gonna
Speaker 2: go out be a large part of the game with
Speaker 2: foul trouble out like with Lakers got a great chance.
Speaker 2: At no point in time in the fourth quarter. Did
Speaker 2: you think the Lakers had a chance to beat this
Speaker 2: team game one or two?
Speaker 3: No, sun Hey, Hey, they climbed back in and when
Speaker 3: they was down early by double by double digits, Hey.
Speaker 1: I I agree with you.
Speaker 3: I think out of the twenty turnovers that the Lakers had,
Speaker 3: fifteen of them came from your starters. Yes, and and
Speaker 3: that's a recipe for disaster on the road, Fellas. It's
Speaker 3: hard to beat a great team especially championship caliber team
Speaker 3: with twenty turnovers, you just can't do it. And then
Speaker 3: another thing. If brun is gonna be kind of average
Speaker 3: like this, he needs aiden to play well. You know,
Speaker 3: he ain't gotta be great height and ain't gotta be great,
Speaker 3: but yeah, he gonna need He gonna need to get
Speaker 3: you at least fifteen points, you know, eight to ten
Speaker 3: rebounds just for y'all to stay in the game and compete.
Speaker 3: It's just too much because you don't get nothing from
Speaker 3: your bench. Luke Unari came in and gave you a
Speaker 3: little something, but for the most part, you rely on
Speaker 3: so much on your starters, bro that it weighs heavy
Speaker 3: on him. And then once you do get in that
Speaker 3: fourth quarter and it's a tight game, May y'all know,
Speaker 3: okayc got another run. Now they got another run on
Speaker 3: them because they're still fresh, one of the youngest teams,
Speaker 3: and they ain't bogging, not one person down with a
Speaker 3: bunch of damn minutes.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You look at check.
Speaker 3: They ain't got no, they don't got no answer for
Speaker 3: checky Ocho.
Speaker 1: No, they don't.
Speaker 3: And I think the more and more he becomes aggressive
Speaker 3: and asserts himself.
Speaker 1: The better off they gonna be.
Speaker 3: He plays great off Shade, understanding that damn every time
Speaker 3: Shae is in a pick and roll or whatnot, they're
Speaker 3: trying to double team and keep the ball out of
Speaker 3: his hands.
Speaker 1: Hey, look, you can tell OKAC practices.
Speaker 3: They goes over it because when their boss comes out,
Speaker 3: those other guys are ready to shoot or make a play.
Speaker 3: They're just too deep, man, they too deep. Hey, listen,
Speaker 3: I know we want to see the Lakers get a
Speaker 3: game or two.
Speaker 1: I don't even I don't even know if they can
Speaker 1: do that.
Speaker 2: To be honest, I thought this was a great game,
Speaker 2: especially late in the third quarter.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, man, Shay gone.
Speaker 2: If I'm not mistaken, Joe, they had like a three
Speaker 2: or four, maybe a four point lead with Shaye left.
Speaker 2: I say, okay, you expand that. Let's get to the
Speaker 2: fourth quarter. You gotta lead going into the fourth quarter.
Speaker 2: You look up, they down ten.
Speaker 3: Hey, you look at that damn Case and Wallace and
Speaker 3: that damn Jed McCain.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I mean you talking about.
Speaker 3: Two pivotal players and what OKC does bro as far
Speaker 3: as getting things done.
Speaker 1: Oh, Shay, you gotta take a break. Oh, don't worry.
Speaker 1: I got you. I got you. We're gonna pick up
Speaker 1: the slack and they do it every game.
Speaker 3: This is this is carbon copy of how they've been
Speaker 3: great throughout the whole season.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 3: Yes, Shaye is awesome. He's the MVP, the reigning MVP.
Speaker 3: But Bro, they got hell and shake it out. They
Speaker 3: probably can still win the game. Yeah, just keep it read.
Speaker 3: They got guys who get to it fellas.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and uncle and Joe.
Speaker 4: You got to understand, right, Fja missed time during the season,
Speaker 4: and they didn't miss a beat.
Speaker 5: They didn't miss a beat. Even though she's not.
Speaker 4: Scoring thirty in this series, he's scoring twenty, they still
Speaker 4: having to miss the beat when he goes out, they
Speaker 4: still haven't miss the beat if they continue to float.
Speaker 4: If a I think, if you take the Lakers right
Speaker 4: and you say they played perfect basketball. They didn't have
Speaker 4: any turnovers, they played well in transitional offense and on defense,
Speaker 4: they still.
Speaker 5: Wouldn't win this game because they're not getting.
Speaker 4: Enough from everybody else. Amber played well, Lebron did enough.
Speaker 4: Austin Smart looks like himself. Awesome Smart. Austin Reeves looked
Speaker 4: like himself again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's just not enough.
Speaker 4: DeAndre Ayden. You got to come to the party. You
Speaker 4: have invitation to come to the party.
Speaker 5: He's up and down.
Speaker 3: You don't know what your why not dunk its? Why
Speaker 3: do you try to lay them all up? Bro?
Speaker 2: I'm like, bro, you right there, you seven football tall.
Speaker 2: You trying to lay the ball up. That's yo kitchen.
Speaker 2: Let yo kitchen. Look lay the ball up, yunky. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he lays it up, he misses it, gets it back again,
Speaker 2: and misses it again when you turned about. First of all,
Speaker 2: the last thing you can do if you don't have it.
Speaker 2: It's kind of like oh Joe. When you don't have
Speaker 2: a high powered offensive football, the last thing you can
Speaker 2: do is turn the ball because you don't have the
Speaker 2: weaponry to get back into the ball game. That is
Speaker 2: the Lakers problem because they don't have the offensive firepower.
Speaker 2: The last thing that you can do is turn the
Speaker 2: ball over. First of all, you can't turn it over.
Speaker 2: You don't have the firepower, and you're not a good
Speaker 2: defensive team. So when you got the three things that
Speaker 2: you can ill afford to be, if that's what you are,
Speaker 2: they can't stop anybody. I still don't understand John Mitchell
Speaker 2: he's a left handed guy.
Speaker 3: He gonna get to his left. I be damn if
Speaker 3: they're not playing on the damn right on his right shoulder.
Speaker 3: Why he not right handed, he's left handed.
Speaker 2: If you notice people play James Harden, they get on
Speaker 2: his left shoulder. Yeah, I'm gonna let you. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: make you beat me with your non dominant hand. Don't
Speaker 2: let him get to the left, because most lefty players
Speaker 2: are more lefty dominant than right handed players are right dominant.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: You look at the guy that's been left handed in
Speaker 2: this league. You look at Zach Randolph, you look at Manu,
Speaker 2: you look at Marshall Owners, you look at James Harden.
Speaker 2: You look at guys that have been left They really, really,
Speaker 2: really left handed dominant.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I don't know why the Lakers still don't
Speaker 3: and ain't got the guy.
Speaker 2: Got the guy and guess what he does. Let him
Speaker 2: side step and go to the left. He lay the
Speaker 2: ball up, said, I'll be damn.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, they they come at you in wage Bro.
Speaker 3: It seemed like it's times where it seems like the
Speaker 3: Lakers kind of got it, even if they got a
Speaker 3: two point lead, four point league. Man, you got you
Speaker 3: got your starters playing so many minutes, Uncle, Oto that
Speaker 3: when it does come in the fourth quarter, seven minutes
Speaker 3: under seven minutes, they started making these bone head plays, Bro,
Speaker 3: just lack luster turnovers. I'm like, damn, and I know
Speaker 3: my fans took.
Speaker 1: Him to school. They ain't no way he caught the
Speaker 1: bus on his own.
Speaker 2: I know his fans dropping up by the school every day.
Speaker 1: Hey.
Speaker 3: And it seemed like one turnover it kind of starts
Speaker 3: to compound into another next thing. You know, Hell, now
Speaker 3: you're back down ten. It's like, so it's hard for
Speaker 3: them to keep overcoming these huge leads because we want
Speaker 3: one thing.
Speaker 1: We do know.
Speaker 3: Obviously without Luca, they're not that high power offensively. Yes,
Speaker 3: they got guys who can score. But to keep pulling
Speaker 3: yourself out of these deficits, Bro, it causes too much
Speaker 3: wear and tear on you. Then in the fourth quarter
Speaker 3: you start to see all these bone headed turnovers that
Speaker 3: you're like, bro, what are you doing?
Speaker 1: Hell, they they did dog died. You know why, Joe.
Speaker 2: If you look at Jayalen Williams playing fifteen minutes, Caruso
Speaker 2: played twenty two minutes, Case and Wallace played thirty one minutes,
Speaker 2: mccame played eighteen minutes. The reason why JJ can't play
Speaker 2: his bench that that many minutes is because they blow up.
Speaker 2: They don't trust if they're down five and they come
Speaker 2: in there by the time, I mean, JJ got a
Speaker 2: call the time out and put the start back in
Speaker 2: county down fifteen and the game is about to get
Speaker 2: out of hand. He can't play anybody for extended stretches
Speaker 2: because they just they don't know what to do.
Speaker 1: They start turning the ball over.
Speaker 2: They's like, and I'm sure JJ and the stafford going
Speaker 2: over this stuff, but he's constantly like I can see it,
Speaker 2: like what do we do it? I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't think they know either. Yeah, you know what.
Speaker 2: I think they know what the game plan is. I
Speaker 2: just don't think JJ.
Speaker 3: He don't trust nobody coming off the bench for real,
Speaker 3: outside of Lukenard who plays great out brun Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: he don't trust a single soul coming off the bench
Speaker 3: for real.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: He'll give them a couple of minutes here and there,
Speaker 3: but hell in them a couple of minutes if you
Speaker 3: ain't made no splash and come sit next to me,
Speaker 3: because they it just ain't.
Speaker 1: Because the thing is Joe, is that I can't trust you.
Speaker 1: When you're getting there.
Speaker 2: You turn the ball over and you pretend like he
Speaker 2: guess what, We're gonna switch everything, and guess what happened.
Speaker 2: They stay with the guy. The guy don't get switched
Speaker 2: off and hit a wide open three yep. And he said,
Speaker 2: I thought we said we were switching everything, and then
Speaker 2: they't looking at him. I thought, no, I thought you
Speaker 2: And he said, no, no, no, don't worry about it. Hey,
Speaker 2: you see I put it. It's like this a football, Joe.
Speaker 2: They're only gonna put your ass in the game so
Speaker 2: many times, and you f up before they say that,
Speaker 2: either a they're gonna cut you or they're gonna put
Speaker 2: your ass on the bench.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: You know what make it worse too, unc And not
Speaker 4: only do you have the players on the bench that
Speaker 4: don't really have the wherewithal to know what to do
Speaker 4: once they get in the game, it's the fact that
Speaker 4: they planning the goddamn okay.
Speaker 5: See thunder. It makes it look worse worse, you know,
Speaker 5: when they do get in the game and you don't
Speaker 5: know what the hell you doing?
Speaker 3: Yeah, because they because their pressure is just too much felt.
Speaker 3: The pressure causes these guys to turn the ball over,
Speaker 3: and we know you turn the ball over against Okay, see,
Speaker 3: it's probably gonna lead into some damn points, yes every time.
Speaker 3: I mean, they're just they're just too much of a
Speaker 3: juggernaut for the Lakers to have any of these guys
Speaker 3: to play pedestrians.
Speaker 1: You damned the need. If Brun don't.
Speaker 3: Go off for thirty five forty or Aar go off
Speaker 3: for thirty five, man, you're gonna have to have everybody
Speaker 3: play right at a medium to where y'all can just
Speaker 3: stay close in the game. And I thought they'd done
Speaker 3: that until like the fourth quarter. For the most part. Okay, oh, Joe,
Speaker 3: they stayed within reach.
Speaker 1: I thought that.
Speaker 2: I thought, I thought that we can get to the
Speaker 2: fourth quarter, Joe, because they were down in the fourth quarter,
Speaker 2: they came back, made a run.
Speaker 1: I think they got it to it this five.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But the third quarter they were up like five
Speaker 2: or six, and the next thing you know, shit goes
Speaker 2: to the bench and they take off. I'm like, I
Speaker 2: thought this was supposed to be your opportunity where you
Speaker 2: take off. Youn't allowed them to take off. You supposed
Speaker 2: to be in the driver's seat. This is the mark
Speaker 2: of a very good basketball team. Let's not deny that
Speaker 2: they're a very good basketball team. But they do entirely
Speaker 2: too much flopping. Oh yeah, they gonna I mean, man,
Speaker 2: d ain't a touch chat he fought in. Oh Lord,
Speaker 2: have mercy.
Speaker 4: Hey, every everybody got to case of them flops on
Speaker 4: every every day. Everybody, everybody got to case them damn
Speaker 4: flops trying to try to get it.
Speaker 1: Huh. It's getting out of hand now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is a little bit, you know what. It
Speaker 4: ain't also for the Lakers, but they ain't making it
Speaker 4: too easy. They had to play against the rest of
Speaker 4: the night as well. I'm not sure what the rest
Speaker 4: were doing tonight. And listen, I don't want to say anything.
Speaker 4: I'm not going to blame that on the reason why,
Speaker 4: you know, the thunder one. But they didn't make it
Speaker 4: any easy for the goddamn Lakers tonight.
Speaker 2: Man, ain't nobody come to see you? Otis ain't nobody
Speaker 2: come to see you. I've never heard I'm trying to
Speaker 2: you know what, I've never heard anybody say. Man, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna go see Tony brothers. I want to see brothers,
Speaker 2: I want to see Capers or I would have seen Hey,
Speaker 2: I would have.
Speaker 1: I've never heard anybody say that. Yeah, you're right, you're right.
Speaker 2: So so why do you feel like you need to
Speaker 2: insert yourself the best games and you don't insert yourself.
Speaker 2: I understand guys are gonna file, but y'all be tonight
Speaker 2: with some tiki tax stuff and I'm like, hold on,
Speaker 2: you go buy you barely bumped Chip or Shape?
Speaker 1: They calling it.
Speaker 2: On the other end, Jayla Williams run dad and Lebron
Speaker 2: knock him on the ground and they don't do nothing.
Speaker 1: They talking about play on. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: On the other end, Canard barely touched Shape. I agree,
Speaker 2: and I got I get it, I get it. It
Speaker 2: gets frustrated when you think all the calls going against you.
Speaker 2: Joe You've been in that situation, you know it gets frustrated.
Speaker 2: Oh Joey, it seems like we are we getting a
Speaker 2: holding calls, We're getting unnecessary rupess or the ticky tack
Speaker 2: clemery and you're like, hey, bro, we're not the only
Speaker 2: ones out here now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, hey, listen, listen, think about it. I don't
Speaker 3: even really think the Lakers played bad outside of the turnovers.
Speaker 3: I mean, you look at their field goal percent and
Speaker 3: they shot fifty percent. But hell, if you let a
Speaker 3: team shoot fifty five percent against you, that's a recipe
Speaker 3: for disaster.
Speaker 1: You're probably gonna lose that game. Fellas. You know, you
Speaker 1: gotta tighten that up.
Speaker 3: I think JJ is gonna have to, you know, hope
Speaker 3: somebody will come off this bench, bro, and give you
Speaker 3: a spark. I mean, I know it don't look great,
Speaker 3: but hell, when you going home, o jou, somebody gonna
Speaker 3: have to come in man and get Hey, look, maybe
Speaker 3: they come in and give you fifteen sixteen who you
Speaker 3: least expected from. But in order to beat this OKC
Speaker 3: team to hell, just to get a game, Bro, you're
Speaker 3: gonna have to play pretty damn perfect almost just to
Speaker 3: win one game.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Joe, did you see what happened after the game.
Speaker 2: Did you see Austin Reeves talking to the official at
Speaker 2: half court?
Speaker 1: Now, I didn't see what it will happened. I don't know.
Speaker 2: He was just talking to him and they were all
Speaker 2: looking around listening, and he was like Poort like you know.
Speaker 1: Base, I don't know, and I don't want to pay
Speaker 1: a phrase.
Speaker 2: So hopefully we'll get more context and we'll get an
Speaker 2: opportunity to talk about it. So hopefully they'll have the
Speaker 2: press conference at some point in time we'll be able
Speaker 2: to talk about what he acts. We said to him.
Speaker 2: But he had five file. Marcus Smart had five files. Uh,
Speaker 2: Shae had four, but no, I mean Hartenstein two, chat
Speaker 2: three two to nobody else really within foul trouble but Shay.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they got a bad whistle tonight, bad whistle. Hell
Speaker 3: they had to. They had three guys with five files.
Speaker 3: Jackson Hayes had five.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's it's it's hard.
Speaker 2: And you and you know what, you want the rest
Speaker 2: to kind of swallow the whistle a little bit. Man,
Speaker 2: Let these guys play.
Speaker 1: You can't. You can't.
Speaker 3: Just that's why they say Russ control the game, bro,
Speaker 3: believe it or not. In basketball, ress control the game.
Speaker 3: They can control the outcome. They can control the outcome. Yeah, Joe,
Speaker 3: you said something very interesting. You say they control the
Speaker 3: outcome because they determined how how aggressive you can play.
Speaker 3: You might want to come into the game like, Okay,
Speaker 3: we're gonna boy them up, We're gonna play physical, and
Speaker 3: the rest say, no, we're not gonna let you play
Speaker 3: physical tonight. And so now you're gonna you got in
Speaker 3: your mind where you practicing the game film.
Speaker 1: You know, say, look, we're gonna body this up. We're
Speaker 1: gonna play physical, X, Y and Z.
Speaker 2: But when the officials come out early and they set
Speaker 2: the youne we're not gonna allow you to play physical.
Speaker 3: That changed your whole mindset. It does, bro, it does.
Speaker 3: It takes your aggressiveness away. If they continue, if they
Speaker 3: calling these ticket tag files on you. This the playoffs, Broye,
Speaker 3: it's gonna be aggressive, you know what I mean, They're
Speaker 3: gonna be borderline files. But man, we won't expect you
Speaker 3: to be blowing your damn We'll say every trip down
Speaker 3: the court, you can't get in no rhythm.
Speaker 1: Like that, No, they saying Austin reason.
Speaker 2: The Lakers had a meeting with the refs after the
Speaker 2: game to share their frustrations.
Speaker 1: Joe, have you ever seen this?
Speaker 2: Have you ever seen a team, I mean, have you
Speaker 2: in your seventeen years of playing in the NBA have
Speaker 2: you your team or any other team that you saw
Speaker 2: had the officials at half court after the game talking
Speaker 2: about the frustration that they just had in the game.
Speaker 1: No, I've never seen it. I've never seen it.
Speaker 3: But understanding the circumstances and Lakers playing against Okay, yep,
Speaker 3: they know they did defending champs, but damn, come on, man,
Speaker 3: let us play, you know, don't don't. Don't come out
Speaker 3: here and dictate the games. Y'all know what the fans
Speaker 3: want to see. They didn't come to see. Y'all ass
Speaker 3: blowing your whistle every two three trips down the court.
Speaker 3: You know it's bad for the game, bro. So hey, look,
Speaker 3: I don't blame them. You know, when you when you
Speaker 3: lose them, bro, you know, you'll find any little thing
Speaker 3: or you'll find any type of way to, you know,
Speaker 3: try to change the outcome. And if it's talking to
Speaker 3: the ref versus going in the media and slandering them
Speaker 3: and you're getting you know, you're getting fined fifty thousand,
Speaker 3: guys don't want to do that. So they maybe they're
Speaker 3: trying to alleviate that problem. But you know, I guess
Speaker 3: I guess we'll kind of see.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: I can understand their frustration though. It's just too many
Speaker 3: guys with too many files and it just don't make sense.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what, that that might help a little bit,
Speaker 4: Uncle Joe, But yeah, I still don't think that's even enough.
Speaker 4: Let's say you take that you take the rest out
Speaker 4: there equation, in this game, you still have to be
Speaker 4: able to play. You still got to be able to
Speaker 4: make shots. You still have to stop turning the ball over.
Speaker 4: You still have to be able to stop shaving, stop shit,
Speaker 4: and stop hard and stide and and the rest of
Speaker 4: those boys. So I think even let's say you take
Speaker 4: the refs out there equation, I still think they don't
Speaker 4: have a chance.
Speaker 5: Maybe the game is a.
Speaker 4: Little closer, but you still need contributions from goddamn DeAndre Aiden.
Speaker 4: You know, you still got to stop turning the ball over.
Speaker 4: Is there's so many other factors that go into it
Speaker 4: outside of the refs, where okay, you don't you don't
Speaker 4: lose by as much as you did, but you still
Speaker 4: don't win the game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right. I mean you're not wrong.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, we know the Lakers are up against it.
Speaker 2: This is the best team in basketball over the last
Speaker 2: couple of years. I think the last couple of years,
Speaker 2: they've had one of the best. Uh uh, they they've
Speaker 2: had the best working in the rest in the Western Conference.
Speaker 2: I think they've had what to two back to back
Speaker 2: sixty win seasons. I don't know, if that third season,
Speaker 2: the one that that Luke and them knocked them out.
Speaker 2: I don't know if they had the best record then,
Speaker 2: but they were really hot up there. Yeah, and they
Speaker 2: and and and and for them. Dog, the Lakers got
Speaker 2: their work cut out for They got to play They've
Speaker 2: got the as close to perfect or damn near perfect
Speaker 2: or perfect and still then still hope a case o
Speaker 2: KC okay see is off that night, So let that
Speaker 2: see care think about how hard that'll be. You got
Speaker 2: to play damn near perfect next to perfect perfect, and
Speaker 2: the team that you're playing against still needs to be
Speaker 2: off somewhat in order for you to beat.
Speaker 3: Them, and that's probably not gonna happen. They too good
Speaker 3: at home, fellas, they too good at home. They take
Speaker 3: care of home court. I'm sure they one of the
Speaker 3: best teams when it comes to playing at home. They're
Speaker 3: not really, you're not. It's hard to go on okay
Speaker 3: see and get a win, man. Yeah, so the Lakers
Speaker 3: got their hands full.
Speaker 1: Now. I expect for the Lakers to, you know, be
Speaker 1: somewhere better going back and that dig in. But they're
Speaker 1: diget at home. But here's the thing. You gotta.
Speaker 2: You know, how the LA crowd is Now they're not
Speaker 2: They're not like okay, see they're getting glammed up. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know how they pull it up in Bugattis, they
Speaker 2: pull up in spiders, they pull it up in Ferraris.
Speaker 1: And lambas Bentleys and rolls that front row. Aaa. They
Speaker 1: ain't got no pain on and they ain't going crazy.
Speaker 1: It's different.
Speaker 2: And the thing is what happens if you get down
Speaker 2: ten early, you get down fifteen.
Speaker 5: Hey, hey, them blobird is gonna come out on.
Speaker 1: You're absolutely right. I think. I think.
Speaker 3: I think at home though, I mean, because what look,
Speaker 3: check this out. One thing they've shown us is that
Speaker 3: they can compete. Well okay, see they just had one
Speaker 3: of those loads in the fourth quarter, mainly toward the end,
Speaker 3: yes to where you know, the separation kind of comes
Speaker 3: to where okay, okay, see just pulls away from them.
Speaker 3: But I do expect them to be a lot better
Speaker 3: at home, fellas.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think the thing I'm trying to think aar
Speaker 2: or Lebron needs to go get as close to forty
Speaker 2: as they possibly can, and the next and the other guy.
Speaker 2: If the one guy gets close to forty, the other
Speaker 2: guy gotta be twenty eight twenty nine, maybe even thirty
Speaker 2: with another guy in the low Twentieschi. So either that's
Speaker 2: Marcus Smart, that's Hachie, that's Luke Canard. Luke Canard was
Speaker 2: shooting the ball extremely well tonight. I wish he could
Speaker 2: have got more minutes. But I understand. But see the thing,
Speaker 2: it's hard to play it Joe because he can't he
Speaker 2: can't guard anybody.
Speaker 4: No, he can't guard nobody else.
Speaker 2: They're talk Look if if if it's a r if
Speaker 2: it's anybody we're attacking. They're not gonna attack Marcus Smart
Speaker 2: because what they do and they're trapping, they're trapping Shade.
Speaker 1: To get the ball out of his hand.
Speaker 2: But everybody else if they get a one on one
Speaker 2: or they're trying to get down here, yes, sir, immediately,
Speaker 2: it ain't no, it ain't no dancing it like hey
Speaker 2: no no, no, no, no no, I'm getting down of hill.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And it don't matter who it is.
Speaker 2: It could be Shay, it could be Mitchell, Hell, it
Speaker 2: could be Isaiah, Joe.
Speaker 1: It don't it Wilce and Caruso McCain.
Speaker 3: They just they just got too many guys, bro who
Speaker 3: play great in that system.
Speaker 1: That Okac has Bro.
Speaker 3: I credit their coach and in the system that they got,
Speaker 3: I mean they they It's just gonna be tough, man.
Speaker 3: I mean that, like like we always say, okay See
Speaker 3: is a college town. You know, they have fanatics as fans.
Speaker 3: So it's hard to win in there with that six
Speaker 3: man that crowd get into it.
Speaker 1: It's just too much.
Speaker 3: Lakers gotta go home and find a way to get
Speaker 3: a win, period, point blank.
Speaker 1: It's gonna have to.
Speaker 2: Oh, we've seen Austin Reeves have these type of Now
Speaker 2: we know Austin Reeves can go.
Speaker 1: He can go get.
Speaker 2: Forty Oh yeah, we just don't know if Ron at
Speaker 2: this rifle age of forty one can still because in
Speaker 2: order to get that level of point J Joe and
Speaker 2: O Joe, you gotta sustain a fitness level. He's forty one,
Speaker 2: you gotta be able to sustain that. Guess what you
Speaker 2: would have to attack. You have to get some fire shots.
Speaker 2: Three ball can have to get going down and you
Speaker 2: know what happens when you get tired that ball start
Speaker 2: hitting the front of the.
Speaker 3: R Yeah, and it's just hard to take Lebron off
Speaker 3: the damn court. It seemed like every time he go
Speaker 3: to the bench.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 3: It's it's not a lot of good stuff that happens,
Speaker 3: you know when he's out there because of his IQ
Speaker 3: for the game. Not only is he continuously putting pressure
Speaker 3: on the rim, but he's getting other guys involved, making plays,
Speaker 3: getting guys wide open shots.
Speaker 1: And that's what you need.
Speaker 3: I think aar gotta some way, somehow still aggressive and
Speaker 3: be fishing like he was tonight. I'm saying for them
Speaker 3: to win, and you gotta have Marcus smart. Obviously he
Speaker 3: plays decent defensively, but they need some good offensive output
Speaker 3: from him.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: It's because if you bogging down your starters with all
Speaker 3: these minutes, damn, you gotta hope they play great. And
Speaker 3: then again Broun playing thirty seven minutes probably averaging wait,
Speaker 3: he probably averaging minutes this series.
Speaker 1: Probably he was.
Speaker 2: Around thirty thirty three, thirty three and a half. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I think will limit to rest. Fell It's just
Speaker 2: tough man, because they didn't know two days now yo, yo,
Speaker 2: you done got your big rest stage one. So now
Speaker 2: it's every other day you're back at it. They back
Speaker 2: at it again on Saturday, and they back at it
Speaker 2: again on Monday.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So you being able to get that level
Speaker 1: of rest.
Speaker 2: The thing is is that they Austin and Marcus got
Speaker 2: to do a better job of taking care of basketball
Speaker 2: early because they're spotting. He's spotting. They are spotting. Okay,
Speaker 2: see them points they're gonna get. They're gonna get that.
Speaker 2: Don't give them no easy buckets, don't give them an opportunity.
Speaker 2: And that's what they're doing right now because I thought
Speaker 2: Austin mate. And the thing is, they get out and run.
Speaker 2: They get they they get. They getting in transition quick
Speaker 2: because they're young. They young, and they're a very unselfish team.
Speaker 2: And when you watch them, guys, the way they're celebrating.
Speaker 2: I like Jerry McCain. I thought he was well. I
Speaker 2: thought he played well with the Sixers. But I understand
Speaker 2: the sixth situation when they got Maxie and they got
Speaker 2: edge him days like bro, we really.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I ain't got no room. Ain't got the room.
Speaker 2: And you know Paul George is really a two, so
Speaker 2: there's like, we really don't have any room. But I
Speaker 2: thought he was shooting the ball well before he had
Speaker 2: that injury last year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was, he playing great, He gave him great minutes.
Speaker 3: I didn't even see that coming from him. I was surprised,
Speaker 3: but so so for Okay see to make that, to
Speaker 3: make that move and get him over there. I mean, man,
Speaker 3: he fits seamlessly coming off that bench, playing in that system.
Speaker 3: He looked, damn the unstoppable tonight.
Speaker 2: And I don't know what it is, Joe, he four
Speaker 2: or five through the three, but they come in. They
Speaker 2: come in there like the coach is instill so much
Speaker 2: confidence in them. He's like, Son, as long as you playing, there's.
Speaker 1: Not a shot that I won't allow you to take.
Speaker 2: And you can see, you can see the way they
Speaker 2: play that they're they're not even bothered if I take
Speaker 2: this shot and miss it as opposed to exposed to.
Speaker 1: A guys on the Lakers bench.
Speaker 2: But the guys on the Lakers bench and La Rabia
Speaker 2: he coming in there and he's like, bro.
Speaker 1: I'm like, La Rabia, I get it. You you playing hard? Son?
Speaker 2: You doing he really trying, Joe Ye, that you're making
Speaker 2: you can't keep making those mistakes. And that's what irks
Speaker 2: a coach is that you keep making the same mistakes. Yep,
Speaker 2: because either either you have a problem processing it or
Speaker 2: we're having a problem teaching it to you one of
Speaker 2: the two now, which is it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's why the least is gonna be short.
Speaker 3: At least gonna be short.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: You know, like I say, man, when you take your
Speaker 3: best playoff the floor and everything just starts to unravel
Speaker 3: on you, it's like, damn, okay, he didn't been sitting
Speaker 3: over here. Two three men, we gotta get you back
Speaker 3: into that big fellow. You know, that's just what it is,
Speaker 3: because they don't have playmakers like that.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 3: Like, it's so glaring that they're missing Luca in this
Speaker 3: series because you need a guy who can score, You
Speaker 3: need a guy who can play make for everybody. I mean,
Speaker 3: that's thirty three damn points man that they miss it
Speaker 3: so we can't Yeah, we can't see him play crazy
Speaker 3: now and act like you know, we're surprised how OKC
Speaker 3: is treating the Lakers right now. I mean, they're missing
Speaker 3: a big pivotal piece to their team. I mean, and
Speaker 3: it's showing in this round.
Speaker 2: And the thing is also, Joe, you can take Lebron
Speaker 2: off and you got Luca in R Yeah, you can
Speaker 2: take Ar off and you got Luca and Bron. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you can take Luca off, and you got Ar and Broun,
Speaker 2: so there's always a combination.
Speaker 1: And you got two great ball handlers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and plus you got Marcus Mart and you can
Speaker 2: take some of the ball handling off of Marcus Mart.
Speaker 2: He can make some plays, but all things mean, Nikod,
Speaker 2: I'd rather have the ball in Luca Lebron or Ar's hand. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I would like him to focus on defense. You're asking
Speaker 2: an awful lot of him. I need you to make plays,
Speaker 2: initiate the offense, but I also need you to keep
Speaker 2: Shaye up under control.
Speaker 1: That's an awful lot. Yeah, yeah, that's an awful lot.
Speaker 2: And then playing that type of game mentally, you know
Speaker 2: you got I mean, you can't have a letdown because
Speaker 2: you have a letdown the guys going.
Speaker 3: By you yeaheah, Yeah, And think about as great as
Speaker 3: they're playing Shay trapping him in all these picking rolls,
Speaker 3: making him get a ball up. Hell, he still win
Speaker 3: seven for thirteen from the field, fifty three percent from
Speaker 3: the field, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So he's still efficient. He doing his job.
Speaker 3: Hey, look as a scorer, as the main guy, if
Speaker 3: you're in a position to where they're trapping you every time,
Speaker 3: you got the ball, just stream the trap alone like
Speaker 3: he does. Hey, at the end of the day, I've
Speaker 3: done my job. I got two on the ball. Now
Speaker 3: when I get it, when I swing it up out
Speaker 3: of here, Now, y'all got to go make a damn play.
Speaker 3: I don't done my job, o Jo, you know I
Speaker 3: got two guys on me. I ain't gonna beat the
Speaker 3: double team every time. Now, there will be times that
Speaker 3: I will be aggressive and try and kind of force
Speaker 3: the issue a little bit. But for the most part, man,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna take the double team boom, get out for it,
Speaker 3: and hopefully we can get a great shot. We can
Speaker 3: get to the bucket, get a free throw, get a
Speaker 3: wide open three, or just make players. And I think, okay,
Speaker 3: see does that better than anybody because those guys play
Speaker 3: great off of shade bro I'm telling you, in a
Speaker 3: film session, you know they going over that listen boom
Speaker 3: once they trap. Hey, check you show, make it yourself big,
Speaker 3: make yourself a present.
Speaker 1: We hit you. Hey man, you got to go make
Speaker 1: a play, whether.
Speaker 3: You get all the way to the rack, shoot your mintie,
Speaker 3: spray out the three. I just think they have so
Speaker 3: many guys who can play that role. I like Hartenstein
Speaker 3: in that role. I like checking that role. And then
Speaker 3: when you get when you when you get these other
Speaker 3: young guys going like Mitchell and Crusoe and Wallace, hell,
Speaker 3: things just start to unravel, man, because they're all defensive minded.
Speaker 3: You we got a cell phone video of Austin Reeves
Speaker 3: getting animated talking to the refs after the game. Let's
Speaker 3: take a look look at what we uh so all
Speaker 3: the refs and I think I thought alternate also is
Speaker 3: in that scrum with the Lakers flares. Hey, hold up,
Speaker 3: checking this side, Joe.
Speaker 2: The rule states at the end of each game, the
Speaker 2: coaches and the players are to lead the court and
Speaker 2: go directly to the dressing room with our pause or delayed.
Speaker 2: There's absolutely no talking to game officials.
Speaker 1: Hey, listen, it's gonna be a big ass fine. You
Speaker 1: think that's gonna be.
Speaker 3: Fine, Well look no, hold on, hold on, hold on, No,
Speaker 3: that's gonna be a fine. It ain't like we would
Speaker 3: shoulder to shoulder. And I'm you know, I'm demonstrative toward him. Listen, bro,
Speaker 3: I have a I have a problem, and I'm just
Speaker 3: coming to you correct as a man. Now, if I
Speaker 3: go to the media and when they go to ask
Speaker 3: me questions. I say, our man arrest is some ship tonight.
Speaker 3: Now I'm gonna get fined.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 3: I didn't really see nothing wrong with the way he
Speaker 3: went by tonight. Actually, I mean I thought it was
Speaker 3: I mean, I thought it was pretty fair. Y'all asked
Speaker 3: me man versus going to the media because you know
Speaker 3: you're gonna get fined.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the rule state there is absolutely no talking to
Speaker 2: get official this out. Okay, we got another video where
Speaker 2: he's talking to the refs late in the ball game,
Speaker 2: and let's see if we could read some lipts to
Speaker 2: see what he's saying.
Speaker 1: He said, that's some bullshit. You donna talk to me
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Hey, let me tell you something. There's some reps
Speaker 3: out here with some slick miles. Now you know, they
Speaker 3: only could take so much.
Speaker 2: They're still human too, now you know.
Speaker 1: Oh no, you got to be a bust stop it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and look, you stay on the asshole game you
Speaker 3: want to. They get frustrated too, bro, Absolutely, they get
Speaker 3: frustrated too. And I've heard reps. I've seen reps call
Speaker 3: guys at their names, you know what I mean. It's hey, Look,
Speaker 3: and in the heat of the moment, you're already at
Speaker 3: your highest pistivity. Yeah, so things things may get a
Speaker 3: little overblown a little bit.
Speaker 1: So what what uh?
Speaker 2: In the NFL, I mean, they fined my homeboy one
Speaker 2: time because he said something. I think he got fined
Speaker 2: and suspended a couple of games because he said something
Speaker 2: to a big trent. But if it can be confirmed, yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean they're probably fine. I don't know, uh, suspension,
Speaker 2: But there's a chance that the Laker is gonna get
Speaker 2: fined for this.
Speaker 5: They that that's two that's two l's.
Speaker 4: Didn't they make it worse on themself losing in game?
Speaker 4: You're losing to the refs ship. I mean that's two
Speaker 4: losses in one.
Speaker 3: Hey, you gotta take it if you're the Lakers. I mean,
Speaker 3: if you got three guys with five files. Oho, I mean, damn,
Speaker 3: we're finna go home. Let me go and put this
Speaker 3: bug in the end. Now the way we get home here,
Speaker 3: maybe they swallow their whistle a little bit and give
Speaker 3: us a chance.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe we get a little Maybe we get a
Speaker 2: little cooking. Maybe we get some of our cooking.
Speaker 1: Maybe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I don't I don't know who, I
Speaker 2: don't know who's gonna be the officials. I mean, maybe Sean,
Speaker 2: maybe Courtney Kirkland, maybe James William, maybe Caper's I don't.
Speaker 5: Know, heyn Maybe you might need to go to the
Speaker 5: game for lit good.
Speaker 2: Luck check this out. Austin reeves on the interaction with
Speaker 2: the ref. I felt like I was respectful to all
Speaker 2: of them all night. A million times in the past,
Speaker 2: I've had a way worse stuff. And when we're doing
Speaker 2: the whole tip ball and they're switching spots, I wanted
Speaker 2: to get to the other side because I had the
Speaker 2: gull on the other side. I was just trying to
Speaker 2: keep that advantage. And he turns around and yelled in
Speaker 2: my face. I thought it was disrespectful the whole time
Speaker 2: I was going over there, and I don't think I
Speaker 2: said too much to them. I know Ben Taylor stepped
Speaker 2: in and said something, but at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: we're grown men, and I just didn't feel like he
Speaker 2: needed to yell in my face like that.
Speaker 1: And I told him that I wasn't disrespectful.
Speaker 2: I told him that he didn't need to that I
Speaker 2: did that to him first, I would have gotten a tech.
Speaker 2: I feel like the only reason I didn't get a
Speaker 2: tech was because he knew he was in the wrong
Speaker 2: and I felt disrespected.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that happens. Look the rest they give some guys passes.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 3: Yeah, some guys they'll take your ass right away, you know,
Speaker 3: with the quickness. They don't want to hear you know
Speaker 3: what I mean. Some some some players they feel like,
Speaker 3: you know, you won't even got no right to even
Speaker 3: be speaking to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The rest be like that. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So because you got some of them guys, Joe, they've
Speaker 2: been in this thing fifteen twenty years. Bro, you just
Speaker 2: got here yesterday. And how you feel you first of all,
Speaker 2: why you walk it up to me? You just because
Speaker 2: you see those vets walk up to me and we
Speaker 2: have a conversation. I ain't talking to your Yeah I
Speaker 2: talked to him, but not you.
Speaker 4: My faith, Hey, Joe, my favorite clips, Uncle Joe is
Speaker 4: to see Chris Paul with his funny manner hythms.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Chris.
Speaker 5: Paul get tacked up. It'd be it'd be so fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Hey, hey, and that's Tony Brothers. Tony Brothers be like that.
Speaker 3: He don't You don't take a lot from from ok? Yeah, Hey,
Speaker 3: I mean you know because I know you know, Zach
Speaker 3: and some of them got I know a lot of them.
Speaker 2: So I've been to enough games and so you know,
Speaker 2: obviously you know Sean Wright. I used to work out
Speaker 2: with Sean Wright.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: But Tony brothers will cut you out with her man
Speaker 3: what and tell you, hey, man what what what you
Speaker 3: want to do that he.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, bro, he that has seen it.
Speaker 3: I'm telling you, hey, hey, hey, hey, Joey, if I
Speaker 3: was to pitch, I'm like, if I be trouble, get hey, hey,
Speaker 3: if I put your heads together, it's gonna be trouble.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, they act like that sometimes, bro.
Speaker 3: You get Hey, look, that's why I can't remember the
Speaker 3: ref name who c p hate when he reps his
Speaker 3: game God Foster.
Speaker 1: Yes, Scott Foster.
Speaker 3: Hey yeah, got a bunch of antics against him, bro.
Speaker 3: But I've seen it up close in person, man, you know,
Speaker 3: and when you watch it, when you really know what's
Speaker 3: going on and you watch it, you start to be like, damn,
Speaker 3: they might do have a little something between them, you
Speaker 3: know what I.
Speaker 1: Mean, because they're human, bro.
Speaker 2: And and look, there ain't no look, there's no love
Speaker 2: lost between Scott Foster and Chris Paul at some point
Speaker 2: in time. And you can say it's nothing X, Y
Speaker 2: and Z, but it is because I look, I know
Speaker 2: how you feel about me, and this ain't no one
Speaker 2: way street bro, both of you. Hey both hey, it
Speaker 2: ain't one way. It's what goes both ways. It's two
Speaker 2: lane traffic both ways. I don't like your ass either,
Speaker 2: but at the end of the day, you can't do nothing.
Speaker 2: I'm the one that got the whistle yello. Hey, yeah,
Speaker 2: and I'm right number three take it to the showers.
Speaker 1: Edytime me taking too much?
Speaker 2: Boy, Hey, damn absolutely hey, and you know, hey, they
Speaker 2: didn't play with Joey Crawford.
Speaker 1: Now, Dick Barveda was a little lead.
Speaker 2: Dick Baveda, he got along with everybody, didn't cool but
Speaker 2: but Holland and Joey Crawford. Joey Crawt said, Timmy to
Speaker 2: the locker room wave. He called it tech on him
Speaker 2: and he was a bitch laughing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Timmy.
Speaker 1: Looks right like me. Yeah. I think I think David
Speaker 1: Stern suspended for a game two though.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because it seemed like it seemed like it gets
Speaker 3: a little personal, you know, for them reps, bro, And
Speaker 3: it ain't never supposed to be personal with them.
Speaker 1: But you know, as a player, you.
Speaker 3: Can kind of can you can kind of sense that
Speaker 3: you can feel that energy, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: especially in the game, Like, damn, you're letting them be
Speaker 3: extra aggressive with me today, and yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm feeling in some type of way. Real.
Speaker 2: Look, you normally the superstars always got calls.
Speaker 1: Jordan got them, Magic got him.
Speaker 2: Especially guys that drove the basketball Kobe, Uh, Mike Lebron
Speaker 2: in his prime. I mean, guys like Lebron and and
Speaker 2: and shot really never got officiated because they so damn big.
Speaker 1: It's like, how we we literally just call the game.
Speaker 2: I mean, the game be five hour long if we
Speaker 2: officiated shock properly.
Speaker 1: The guy beat the hell out of it.
Speaker 2: I don't think when Jock the nax Smith invented the
Speaker 2: game of basketball, I don't think he envisioned having a
Speaker 2: guy sell twenty five playing the game.
Speaker 1: And then so, so what do you do it?
Speaker 2: Because when he cleared, when Shaq does this, them bowling pins,
Speaker 2: everybody going down.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you got to call that, man. I don't leave
Speaker 3: with the A. You leave with them elbows. They calling that, bro,
Speaker 3: because you hit you hiding above the shoulder that's in
Speaker 3: the neck, chin, the back of the head like they
Speaker 3: calling that.
Speaker 2: And what about the ken Bate resting sould with the
Speaker 2: sharp l's elbows he people up. Hey, but uh?
Speaker 3: And then you know when they came out with the
Speaker 3: verticality where you could just go straight, Yeah, and you
Speaker 3: can hit somebody by the body as long as you vertical.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think they changed the game too on OH Show
Speaker 3: because a lot of that contact and it may be
Speaker 3: initiated by the offensive guy, but they not calling. They
Speaker 3: don't call that often, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 3: I think that's what they try to get. They try
Speaker 3: to get Da and they try to get Jackson.
Speaker 2: Hey, hey, just go vertical, don't come As long as
Speaker 2: you don't come forward with it, you're gonna be fine.
Speaker 1: Just levate.
Speaker 2: Kate Cunningham has twenty five points ten of sis uh
Speaker 2: to lift the Pistons past the Cavalaris one oh seven
Speaker 2: to ninety seven and take a two lead to top See.
Speaker 2: The Pistons have won five straight games since the Orlando
Speaker 2: put them on the brink of elimination.
Speaker 1: Man I thought, Kay Cunningham.
Speaker 2: Look, the two best players in this series have been
Speaker 2: Kad Cunningham and Tobias Harrison. Yes, yeah, and down the
Speaker 2: retch when they needed where they needed buckets. Tobias Harris
Speaker 2: and Kay Cunningham, Kate Huntingham here, Big three after Big three,
Speaker 2: after Big drive after big drive. Tobias was sensational tonight.
Speaker 2: James Harden again.
Speaker 1: Joey, Hey, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Out of the game, Joe, where he has more turnovers
Speaker 2: that he had mail made field goals. Yes, sir, it
Speaker 2: is what it is. I mean we I don't really know.
Speaker 2: And they picked them again clean, Kate picked them clean.
Speaker 4: He just said yesterday, Joe, you know what that's on me.
Speaker 4: I gotta protect the ball better. I got to do better.
Speaker 4: That's so when he comes out the following game, not
Speaker 4: only do he turned the ball over, but they get
Speaker 4: points on every goddamn turnover, unc every goddamn turnover. I mean,
Speaker 4: this is not the Jay, I understand yourself, uh uh,
Speaker 4: A top player, one of the one of the best
Speaker 4: ISO scores of all time. We know what you did
Speaker 4: in Houston, we know what you did in Brooklyn, we
Speaker 4: know what you've done some of those other places. But
Speaker 4: this is the time to shine and show to James
Speaker 4: Harden we're used to talking about. Every time young bull
Speaker 4: get to the playoffs, I don't know what happens. It
Speaker 4: can't be stage fright because you used to being in
Speaker 4: the playoffs. You've been in the playoffs. Damn there, damn
Speaker 4: there all your career. Yeah, but every time you get
Speaker 4: to it, I mean it's almost it's like it's like
Speaker 4: it's a no show.
Speaker 1: Damn there. Hey man, let me tell you Kate.
Speaker 3: As great as he is offensively, you know, playing at
Speaker 3: this high efficiency rate that he played at the day,
Speaker 3: he is unbelievable. Defensively oncho he is incredible. I'm talking
Speaker 3: about Look, I ain't even just talking about keeping the
Speaker 3: ball in front. I'm talking about blocking shot. I'm talking
Speaker 3: about just making it difficult for you. It's hard. It's
Speaker 3: hard bro to compete with the dude. Who's he playing
Speaker 3: forty forty forty two minutes a night. It's hard, man,
Speaker 3: because he gets everybody involved. He had a double double
Speaker 3: twenty five and ten. Yeah, seven to fourteen came from
Speaker 3: the field, and then Tobias Harris playing that you know
Speaker 3: that Robbin road to where he's he I mean, hell,
Speaker 3: he's been, you know, pitching in since the last series.
Speaker 3: I mean, he's been ultra effective. You know, they just
Speaker 3: got a lot of guys. And then when I think
Speaker 3: it comes to James Harden and his turnovers and his
Speaker 3: low field goal percentage many, I'm telling y'all, man, they
Speaker 3: picking that man up. They wearing his ass down.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 3: They ain't giving him nothing easy. Everything that he got
Speaker 3: to get them to come from the free throw line,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. It's just it's a lot
Speaker 3: to asks, man, It's a lot to ask. That's a
Speaker 3: young man's game. And obviously Detroit has hung their hat
Speaker 3: on defense this whole entire season, and this is how
Speaker 3: they play. If they can keep your ass under one
Speaker 3: hundred points, they got a great chance of winning.
Speaker 2: And that's how they've been playing all year. I need
Speaker 2: somebody tell me what every Mobley doing. That man played
Speaker 2: thirty six minutes and gave you one rebound and some foot.
Speaker 1: Tall damn.
Speaker 2: One rebound. Oh Joe and Joe, now see a. I
Speaker 2: need somebody to offer me an explanation.
Speaker 5: You only had nine points too.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: Hey, look, I thought Jared Allen was super aggressive night
Speaker 2: go ahead, Joe, he was. But and when I look
Speaker 2: at Mobley offensively, we want to be. We want him
Speaker 2: to be demonstrative and demand the ball and go at
Speaker 2: his man. I can owe your Dain't his game, bro,
Speaker 2: We gotta come to the realization.
Speaker 1: That ain't his game.
Speaker 3: He had big games in the last series against Toronto,
Speaker 3: but man, Detroit got some girls down there. They got
Speaker 3: some guys who play hard as shit, and if he
Speaker 3: ain't ascertain himself, it's gonna be hard for him to
Speaker 3: be effective. Cleveland cannot win if he don't play well.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Joe, he got to buy his hands on y.
Speaker 1: That man seven foot.
Speaker 3: Tall to buy his fighting his ass on. He fighting well,
Speaker 3: he fighting back. You're gonna let the bad beat you up.
Speaker 3: They used to see them. Hey, hit it back, right right,
Speaker 3: batty man hit my hand? What hit it back?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, it's just.
Speaker 2: How you seven foot tall, You play thirty six minutes
Speaker 2: and you give me one rebound one.
Speaker 1: Joe, Yeah, I see it.
Speaker 2: Even on the box side, the ball hit the floor.
Speaker 2: You aught to be able to get me more, get
Speaker 2: me two.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And they're making everybody. They're making everybody every moment.
Speaker 2: The four ten James Harden three or thirteen, Donovan Mitchell
Speaker 2: eleven of twenty four I give you thirty one points
Speaker 2: on twenty four shots.
Speaker 4: Sure will and everybody else got to be playing well
Speaker 4: though you think about the Cake threw the.
Speaker 2: One for six, threw three for seven, Tatum one for one,
Speaker 2: ke On Ellis.
Speaker 4: Everybody got to wash everybody out, Uncle Joe, especially for
Speaker 4: the goddamn Caves and have a chance. If god damn,
Speaker 4: if count of Hand go off, then I need Mitchell
Speaker 4: to wash him out. You god damn duncan Robinson go
Speaker 4: off and play and play well. I need goddamn James
Speaker 4: Harden to show up and wash him out. Everything has
Speaker 4: a mess, so somebody else is gonna have to step up.
Speaker 4: Evan Obley can't have a nine point game here. You
Speaker 4: can't have a goddamn game where you got damn had
Speaker 4: one goddamn rebound. Jared Allen, God damn Jared Allen. Jared
Speaker 4: Allen played god damn well to night. He had twenty two,
Speaker 4: he was seven for nine. But in order for the
Speaker 4: Cab to come back and he even have a chance
Speaker 4: in this series because they go down three to oh,
Speaker 4: you might to get the goddamn Brooms out.
Speaker 1: I can't.
Speaker 3: I can't see them really even making a series. They
Speaker 3: may win a game in Cleveland. But Bro, when you
Speaker 3: don't get no contribution from your bench, it's hard. It's
Speaker 3: hard to win in the postseason. Man, when you when
Speaker 3: you just relying on your stars, when you just relying
Speaker 3: on Donovan Mitchell and James Harden to kind of get
Speaker 3: it going, and they ain't really got no rhythm like that,
Speaker 3: because the game plan is to take those guys out,
Speaker 3: for those guys to be less effective, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean?
Speaker 1: And I think Detroity doing a great job.
Speaker 3: And Detroit they got some pretty good contribution from their
Speaker 3: bench at night, Jenkins, I thought kas mcburg came Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think kas mcburg came in and gave him a
Speaker 3: nice gave him some great minutes. They got multiple guys
Speaker 3: who could beat you. But that, but their wins aren't
Speaker 3: predicated off them playing great offensive. Hell, look at during
Speaker 3: he still ain't really playing no hell of a basketball.
Speaker 3: I mean, he playing, he playing pedestrian okay ojo. But hell,
Speaker 3: it's good enough for him to get a win because
Speaker 3: guess what, they lock it down defensively.
Speaker 4: Bro, Yes, hey, hey, Joe, when you think about it too,
Speaker 4: and the way both of these teams are constructed, you
Speaker 4: talk about going to your bench and wanted to get
Speaker 4: point for your bench.
Speaker 5: I mean, they not like the Spurs. They ain't like
Speaker 5: the thunder where you.
Speaker 4: Can go to your bench you don't miss a god
Speaker 4: damn beat. You know you got to mean the Cavs
Speaker 4: got Strolleder here come in. He didn't have a really
Speaker 4: good game today. I think I think it was more
Speaker 4: than five. I forgot how many points he had. But
Speaker 4: it is your starters, your starters they have they have
Speaker 4: to show up. Each player has to watch each play
Speaker 4: out in in order in order for you to even
Speaker 4: have a chance. And then somebody has to come along
Speaker 4: keep the game close them last five six minutes. Shoot,
Speaker 4: you got to come to the party. James Harden got
Speaker 4: to step up, though, Joe and they just carestball. You
Speaker 4: look at you, look at Cleveland. They take they get
Speaker 4: a rebound. Allen tries to pass the ball to James Harden.
Speaker 4: Duncan Robinson steps in front of him on course of three.
Speaker 4: I'm like, James Harden got the ball, he dibbling died
Speaker 4: there in the front.
Speaker 1: The guy just reached right down and let me get
Speaker 1: this off you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, hey man, some guys watching film bro they.
Speaker 5: Think he hurt?
Speaker 1: Who you think hard and hurt? Yeah?
Speaker 2: No, no, listen, how are you gonna be hurt?
Speaker 1: Oh? Joy?
Speaker 2: This is a pattern so where he's been hurt every
Speaker 2: playoff series.
Speaker 3: It's either high turnover guy. Yeah, and Detroit. They know
Speaker 3: his tendencies, bro, Yes, they know his tendencies. They know
Speaker 3: his dudes, don't. They know what they like and what
Speaker 3: he don't like, and they crowd and shit out of him,
Speaker 3: just making it tough for him. He had the highest
Speaker 3: plus minus, so they he had a minus fifteen.
Speaker 1: If you Cleveland, there's no way you're gonna win a game.
Speaker 3: If Donovan is inefficient and James Harden don't play well,
Speaker 3: I don't care how y'all cut it, man, I think
Speaker 3: the rest of them dudes can be pedestrian. But if
Speaker 3: you can get both of those guys at least twenty
Speaker 3: five plus efficiently, which is gonna be tough because they
Speaker 3: hadn't really played like that this whole postseason, it's gonna
Speaker 3: be hard for them to win a game.
Speaker 1: Then he say one game, Joe, it's gonna be hard
Speaker 1: to win a game. Bro.
Speaker 3: They may get close in Cleveland, o Jo, but it's man,
Speaker 3: I mean Detroit. Their game is predicated off the defense,
Speaker 3: Like you know they gonna play great defensively, and then
Speaker 3: you got k who's just a game changer.
Speaker 1: Yes, you know what I mean, they ain't.
Speaker 3: Really I mean, hell, I don't think they making it
Speaker 3: tough on Kay Uncle Ojo.
Speaker 1: Y'all really don't got nobody to make it tough on him.
Speaker 2: You put Wade on the Wade's not a defender, James
Speaker 2: hard and Donovan Mitchell is out of a defender. So
Speaker 2: Jared Allen is your best defit here mobiley, but they're big,
Speaker 2: they can't defend him, So who can you put on him?
Speaker 2: It's not like think about what they got. They got
Speaker 2: k who can defend. They got Thompson who can defend.
Speaker 2: Even Tobias Harris, when he puts his mind to it,
Speaker 2: can defend. They don't have nobody like that on Cleveland. No,
Speaker 2: they don't.
Speaker 3: So look, so what you need to do is adjust
Speaker 3: your damn coverages. Stop giving him them damn switches and
Speaker 3: one on one looks and cage him in a trap
Speaker 3: and make him get a damn ball up.
Speaker 1: Yes you got to.
Speaker 3: You got to see the playoffs about adjustments and matchups. Hell,
Speaker 3: you got Cleveland got a bad matchup right now. So
Speaker 3: what they have to do is try to alleviate a
Speaker 3: cage productivity. Take get the ball out of his damn
Speaker 3: hands when he run a pick and Bro, you gotta
Speaker 3: make these other dudes make some decisions because if you
Speaker 3: look at it, during hadn't played great. Hell, hey, let's
Speaker 3: put the ball in his damn hand. Let's see what
Speaker 3: he can do. You took the words right up my mouth.
Speaker 2: Whatever it's possible, I'm gonna make the ball end up
Speaker 2: in Dura's hand because if you go back and think
Speaker 2: about it, he's played good in one game.
Speaker 1: In the playoffs, that's Game seven.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and while I'm watching them to day, I think
Speaker 3: he kind of understands that too, un Ojo, that he
Speaker 3: hasn't been playing great.
Speaker 1: And you can tell he's trying to pick it up.
Speaker 3: But him picking it up it is him trying to
Speaker 3: do more offensively. It's just not his damn game. And
Speaker 3: it don't even look it, don't even look naturally. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. So they gotta find a way,
Speaker 3: meaning Cleveland has to find a way to put Detroit
Speaker 3: under distress to where they're not comfortable.
Speaker 1: Bro, they're just too comfortable out there for me. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Like I said, unless Evan Mobley comes in and give
Speaker 2: you the twenty plus that he's capable of giving, James
Speaker 2: hardly gonna have to be. I'm not saying he needs
Speaker 2: to be, you know, fifty eight sixty percent, but you
Speaker 2: can't be three or thirteen and you can't you can't
Speaker 2: have you can't lead the team in turnover damn there.
Speaker 2: Every game I think about it, another game in which
Speaker 2: he has more turnovers then made field goals. That I mean,
Speaker 2: he's got forty five and one hundred and eighty two games,
Speaker 2: He's got forty five or forty six in which he
Speaker 2: has equal to or more turnovers than field goals. That
Speaker 2: is crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Hey, if you Detroit bro James is a rhythm player.
Speaker 3: That's why when you always see him play Uncle Ocho
Speaker 3: is tween tween behind the back two. That's a rhythm
Speaker 3: that he's trying to get into. Yes, and Detroit is
Speaker 3: great at disrupting that rhythm. They not letting him get into,
Speaker 3: no damn rhythm, you know what I mean. That's why
Speaker 3: you see every time he drives to the goal, he's
Speaker 3: seeking for them.
Speaker 1: He's seeking for a file.
Speaker 3: He trying to get a file because he know that's
Speaker 3: the only way he gonna really be effective.
Speaker 2: He needs he needs to see the ball go in, Joe.
Speaker 2: And right now they're not letting him see the ball
Speaker 2: going until really really laying the ball game, and by
Speaker 2: that time he's not in the rhythm.
Speaker 1: You let him hear his first couple of shots.
Speaker 2: You let him get a driver, You let him get
Speaker 2: a layup, or you let him here a step back three,
Speaker 2: or you let him get to the little mini. You know,
Speaker 2: a lot of times he'll try to get all the
Speaker 2: way to the basket of you pull a snatch and
Speaker 2: pull up and hit it. But he's thinking about it
Speaker 2: most of the point. He probably get to the free
Speaker 2: throw line. He's out of rhythm. He knows it. He
Speaker 2: knows he's not playing well. He knows what's being said.
Speaker 2: He when he when he get that sheet, Joe, and
Speaker 2: he looks at it like, damn three made field goals.
Speaker 1: Five turnovers, damn.
Speaker 3: Hey, Hey, that damn k Cunningham and that Thompson. Hey, yes,
Speaker 3: then bought some dogs on their defense. End man, Kate, Hey, look,
Speaker 3: Kay's showing me a lot. I mean, I'm talking about
Speaker 3: I can see why he was in the n V discussion. Okay,
Speaker 3: then yeah, and if he wouldn't have and if he
Speaker 3: wouldn't have got hurt, we don't know, because you know,
Speaker 3: at the time when he went out, I think they
Speaker 3: had the best they had the best record in the league. Yep,
Speaker 3: but they were right there there was right there with Okay, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: so he's showing me that. Man, Look, I can be
Speaker 3: a hell of a two way player because he doing
Speaker 3: it on night to night Basis Fellas. Yes, yeah, and
Speaker 3: I'm talking about at an elite and high level like
Speaker 3: it's it's to make he guart and two of the
Speaker 3: best scores to play this game, right. It hadn't been
Speaker 3: a whole lot of players that have been asked to
Speaker 3: do what he does offensively score, get others involved and
Speaker 3: take the assignment on the other end.
Speaker 2: Know Jordan had Pippin to do that. Yeah, a Ron
Speaker 2: Harper or Dennis Rodman. Yeah, there haven't been a whole
Speaker 2: lot of guys that says, Okay, I need you to
Speaker 2: play make I also need you to give me twenty five,
Speaker 2: but I also need to make sure that.
Speaker 1: Guy doesn't game get a rhythm.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a rarity to have a guy that's capable
Speaker 2: of doing that.
Speaker 1: I agree, And Kay Cunningham is doing it. Kay Cunningham
Speaker 1: is doing it.
Speaker 2: And because if you think about it, when Kawhi, when
Speaker 2: they had Tim Duncan, Kawhi was never asked to be
Speaker 2: the leader of the offense. When when they started asking
Speaker 2: Kawhi to be the leader of his offense, his defense
Speaker 2: did this? Did the Joe when he had to all
Speaker 2: of a sudden score and try to initiate play for
Speaker 2: everybody else, he wasn't.
Speaker 1: The same defensive player. Yeah, you're right, you're right so to.
Speaker 2: Ask Kay to get Kay to do what he's doing,
Speaker 2: and he's doing that on a nightly basis. To you,
Speaker 2: young man, and this man, I've watched a lot. I've
Speaker 2: watched a lot of basketball. I don't I don't recall
Speaker 2: a guy being asked, uh, you got that from Lebron
Speaker 2: when he was in Cleveland. You got it from him
Speaker 2: a little bit than Miami and when he went back
Speaker 2: to Cleveland. But a guy that said, it's okay, oh
Speaker 2: you their best player? I got you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that tasts a lot, bro.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he played forty two minutes. Yeah, he ain't
Speaker 3: playing no thirty minutes. He playing forty two forty eight
Speaker 3: in the game. Yeah, and the one thing I noticed,
Speaker 3: K I know, K knows is that, Yeah, we may
Speaker 3: not be high power offensively, but damn it, we got
Speaker 3: some guys who can sit in that chair. Ain't gonna
Speaker 3: make a hell on you out here. Yes, And that's
Speaker 3: how they play, bro. I mean, I enjoy watching them play.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: I know they had a little hiccup in that in
Speaker 3: that Magic series, but you can tell they've learned from that.
Speaker 3: And man, they're playing great basketball against two elite scores
Speaker 3: and bruh, they give him everything they.
Speaker 1: Can ask for. So he he.
Speaker 3: Hey, if he was Jordan and Thompson the Pippen, if
Speaker 3: Thompson find anyway to continue to beat to beat the
Speaker 3: offensive game, oh my god.
Speaker 5: Oh my goodness, that wouldn't be fair. Man.
Speaker 2: Guys, y'all listening here, y'all, y'all see y'all in the chat,
Speaker 2: I said, did they ask, if you think about it, who,
Speaker 2: how many times did Pippin was the guy was the
Speaker 2: point forward?
Speaker 3: Yeah, he initiated a lot of the offense. Kobe Derek
Speaker 3: Fisher ran the offense.
Speaker 1: That is what's the most assist Kobe added that average
Speaker 1: of the season.
Speaker 3: The most assists probably the highest, probably maybe six, five
Speaker 3: and a half six.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if I had to guess, that's it.
Speaker 2: I know Jordan had one season where he averaged eight.
Speaker 2: I think he would average thirty seven eight and eight.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: What's the most assists? Kobe averaging the season six point three?
Speaker 2: What's Kate averaging? Kate averaged nine. Yeah, what he averaged
Speaker 2: his most? If Kobe's most in the season, Lebron averages
Speaker 2: more of that for a twenty three year career. So
Speaker 2: y'all trying to say that Kobe was asked to initiate
Speaker 2: a run to offense like Lebron did.
Speaker 1: No, Sir, Kate averaged ten.
Speaker 2: Listen, it doesn't diminish Kobe because he wasn't asked to do.
Speaker 2: Whether they're asking Kde and Lebron, it doesn't diminish y'all
Speaker 2: gotta stop this notion. If somebody doesn't put Kate, don't
Speaker 2: put Kobe in a thing. It's okay. It doesn't diminish him. No,
Speaker 2: he's a five time champ, he's a two time finals MVP.
Speaker 2: He's an MVP. It doesn't diminish him, But Derek Fischer
Speaker 2: ran the offense.
Speaker 1: And y'all know what.
Speaker 2: Kobe was asked to score and defend, and he did
Speaker 2: those two things at an elite level. That's why he's
Speaker 2: a mini many time All Defensive player and a mini
Speaker 2: many times All NBA selections.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, absolutely, But he was not.
Speaker 2: Asked to run the offense like Cade Cunningham. He was
Speaker 2: not asked to run the offense like Lebron James. Y'all
Speaker 2: know that. Y'all know that. That's why Lebron James averages
Speaker 2: over seven assist the game. Kobe's greatest season is only
Speaker 2: one time. Only time Lebron James has ever averaged less
Speaker 2: than five or six assist the game was his rookie season. Yeah, so,
Speaker 2: in other words, he has twenty two seasons in which
Speaker 2: he's averaged more assists in a game than Kobe did
Speaker 2: in his best season. And y'all want to say he
Speaker 2: was asked to do the same thing as Lebron And
Speaker 2: when y'all know you're being disingenuous, Yep, it's.
Speaker 1: Okay, guys, it's okay.
Speaker 2: Pippy was a point for how you think Pippy got
Speaker 2: the name of the point forward?
Speaker 1: If Jordan ran the offense. Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 2: See y'all just look at the guy and see the
Speaker 2: guys scoring points. A lot of guys that can score
Speaker 2: points but can't run an offense. But when you run
Speaker 2: an offense, look at Luca, Luca got a hot You
Speaker 2: think they asked Luca to play defense? James Harden. James
Speaker 2: Harden scored thirty average ten, led the league in assists
Speaker 2: four five times. How's this defense? Look at Luca? How's
Speaker 2: this defense? So for cad to do that, They've only
Speaker 2: been a handful of guys that I can remember, and
Speaker 2: I remember basketball, I go back to about seventy seven.
Speaker 2: They haven't been a whole lot of guys. They've been
Speaker 2: a whole lot of guys like they've been guys, but
Speaker 2: not like Cade, not what they asked Lebron to do.
Speaker 2: Up until last year, Lebron James had never not led
Speaker 2: his team in assists. Last year with the first time
Speaker 2: he didn't lead his team two years. So for twenty
Speaker 2: one straight years, Lebron James led his team in assists.
Speaker 2: They that think end twenty one seasons and it took
Speaker 2: a younger version of himself, which is Luca on the
Speaker 2: offensive end, because Luca can score, he can rebound, and
Speaker 2: he damn show can play mate.
Speaker 1: Yep, he just could.
Speaker 2: I don't think he could guard me with this little
Speaker 2: bum knee right now. But y'all got to stop this notion.
Speaker 2: Y'all think somebody don't mention Kobe? You did know you
Speaker 2: don't just because I say, just because I say, oh,
Speaker 2: Joe was great, that doesn't mean too, I'm pooping on Tyo.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Randy, two things can be true.
Speaker 2: Kobe was great, But Kobe wasn't asked to do what
Speaker 2: Kad Cunningham is being asked to do. He wasn't asked
Speaker 2: to do what Lebron was asked to do. It's okay,
Speaker 2: look at the numbers, y'all watch it, Oh Joe? Has
Speaker 2: it always been like this or this came along with
Speaker 2: social media?
Speaker 5: Now it's always been like this?
Speaker 2: Okay, But we but we just couldn't see it because
Speaker 2: because there was no social media, so we really didn't
Speaker 2: know what what Tom and and de Moore and Iowa
Speaker 2: was actually saying. No, we didn't know what Paul in
Speaker 2: Brooklyn or somebody in Florida or we didn't know what
Speaker 2: they were saying.
Speaker 4: Now everybody, everybody has a voice. Everybody has an opinion now.
Speaker 4: But that's a good thing. I like it that it
Speaker 4: creates for It creates for healthy dialogue, It creates for
Speaker 4: healthy debates because everybody's opinion is not going to be
Speaker 4: the same. You believe one thing, then somebody else is
Speaker 4: gonna believe another. Now, regardless of what facts you bring
Speaker 4: about whatever it is you believe in, they gonna debunk
Speaker 4: that based on their facts and their opinions.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so it would be an ongoing debate forever, no
Speaker 5: matter what.
Speaker 4: Even if everything you just said is factual, someone will
Speaker 4: still counter that and say, nah, this is why it's
Speaker 4: not true because of ABC and D That's what I mean.
Speaker 4: That's what I love about social media. Though I love it,
Speaker 4: just not when it comes to basketball because I can't
Speaker 4: talk with the way y'all do.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: Considering Lebron James led this team and assists for twenty
Speaker 2: one straight season, one would deduce from that he was
Speaker 2: asked to playmaker right right, and go back and look
Speaker 2: at the series when d Rose they lost the first one,
Speaker 2: What did d Rose won?
Speaker 1: M v P? What did they do Game two? Joe?
Speaker 1: And what happened? They put Lebron on him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, I think I think Broun is a natural
Speaker 3: facilitator though, now I'm telling I'm talking about Yeah, I
Speaker 3: think as great as he is scoring the ball, I
Speaker 3: think his probably his best attribute is facilitating and making
Speaker 3: guys around him better. That's just who Kobe was a
Speaker 3: natural born killer.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 3: Now I'm talking about he trying to take Yes, he
Speaker 3: trying to give you fit the head game period. He
Speaker 3: ain't standing no damnsis yeah, he may get something here
Speaker 3: and now he wasn't standing no damns.
Speaker 2: Hey, I'll trust you. I know what I put in
Speaker 2: to be great. I'm not so sure you put that
Speaker 2: same energy and effort. I'm not so sure you take
Speaker 2: care of your body. I'm not so sure you watch
Speaker 2: film like I do. So I don't know if I
Speaker 2: can trust y'all right.
Speaker 3: Hey, he practiced with those dudes every day. He know
Speaker 3: they work ethics. That's how he was. Hey, look, Kobe
Speaker 3: won't standing that bro. He took out the MJ. He
Speaker 3: he was a carbon copy of MJ. He stole his moves,
Speaker 3: his walk, his style, every damn thing. The way he
Speaker 3: chewed his gun like he wanted to. He wanted to
Speaker 3: be MJ. Bro and he was a He was a
Speaker 3: modern day MJ. I think, with a better handle and
Speaker 3: all that. So I think he is. He became the
Speaker 3: player who he wanted to become, and he was nasty
Speaker 3: with it.
Speaker 1: Bro. He didn't care if you liked him or not. Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, he wasn't there to be like Yeah. He came
Speaker 2: into the NBA with a sole purpose. Yeah, to be
Speaker 2: the best period.
Speaker 1: That is it.
Speaker 3: Period And it's so rare that you get guys come
Speaker 3: out of high school at seventeen, eighteen years old, bro,
Speaker 3: and to be able to think like that.
Speaker 1: I wondered did they come from?
Speaker 3: You know, his dad, Jellybean, him being overseas, you know,
Speaker 3: he was raised overseas and with Italy playing over there,
Speaker 3: probably being a loner because he you know, I wanted
Speaker 3: did did did all that player factor.
Speaker 2: I think every early on his favorite player was Jordan.
Speaker 2: He came out and then he thought. I mean you
Speaker 2: listened to him talking, He's like, I thought I was
Speaker 2: better than the guys that they were playing. They were
Speaker 2: playing me for five minutes, and he like, I'm better
Speaker 2: than them. He got drafted where he got drafted, I'm
Speaker 2: better than these guys. Guys in the draft and y'all
Speaker 2: put me way down here. But if you listen to
Speaker 2: people talk, he's always had that mentality. He's always been
Speaker 2: about basketball while other guys looking to go out. And
Speaker 2: I was saying, man, Kobe looking at man, I'm trying
Speaker 2: to get out. Kobe looking to go get some risks,
Speaker 2: go to the gym.
Speaker 1: That is what I was trying to do.
Speaker 2: When you got that kind of talent and you got
Speaker 2: that kind of work ethic, that's what made Jordan Jordan.
Speaker 2: That man was that talented, and he was working that hard.
Speaker 2: You think about it, when you take the best talent
Speaker 2: and they're the hardest worker you get, and and and
Speaker 2: Tom is on the novel because Tom is not the
Speaker 2: most miss legalented.
Speaker 1: He don't run fast, oh Joe, he don't jump high.
Speaker 2: But what he has is this that processor, that process
Speaker 2: at the speed of light. Yeah, and his work ethic.
Speaker 2: When you get that, bro, it's hard, hard work. And
Speaker 2: I tell people just what I used to tell kids
Speaker 2: when I used to speak to kids, I say, hard
Speaker 2: work doesn't guarantee you anything.
Speaker 1: Nope, I say, but without it, you don't got a chance.
Speaker 1: Hello Hello, But talented and you work hard, boy.
Speaker 3: That's a hell of a combination, You're gonna be down now, unstoppable, bro,
Speaker 3: damn near Yeah yeah because you because and I know
Speaker 3: y'all seen this in football too, because I've seen it
Speaker 3: so much in basketball. I'm talking about from playing little
Speaker 3: league all the way up to the pros. Hey, bro,
Speaker 3: I know some talented dudes who never who would never
Speaker 3: sniff the damn NBA or college just because of their
Speaker 3: work ethic. Now, talent wise, some of the best people
Speaker 3: I've ever played against. But bruh, when you when you
Speaker 3: got hell of it, when you got a lot of
Speaker 3: talent and you got that work ethic to go with it,
Speaker 3: Hey man, you can't lose, bro, No, can't lose.
Speaker 1: And that's what I tell guy.
Speaker 2: I say, guys, y'all realize the NBA is everybody in
Speaker 2: the NBA has some level of talent.
Speaker 1: Now there's levels to it. Ojoe.
Speaker 2: You know, you got some beginner, you got some junior,
Speaker 2: and you go up and up and up. But everybody talent,
Speaker 2: how do you think they got there? Yeah, say college.
Speaker 2: You don't get no legacy in the NFL. I don't
Speaker 2: give it down. What your brother did, I don't care
Speaker 2: what your dad did. Can they catch passes. Can they
Speaker 2: sack the quarterback? Can they block right now for you?
Speaker 2: Because that's what I got you for. Yeah, congratulations, your
Speaker 2: family put produce some great athletes. Congratulations, But that help?
Speaker 2: How does that help us win? And when you get
Speaker 2: guys that are talent like Kobe was immensely talented and
Speaker 2: it drove him crazy. But you know what you have
Speaker 2: love most about him? Even though as he airball shots
Speaker 2: in the playoff game and everybody laughed, y'all got a
Speaker 2: y'all got a seventeen year old playing in the playoffs,
Speaker 2: y'all must be crazy. He took all that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all he did was get his ass in the gym. Yep.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna show y'all yep. And that's what it takes, bro,
Speaker 3: That's what it takes. When you fail at something, get
Speaker 3: your ass back up and get back to work. That's
Speaker 3: the greatest teacher.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because a lot of time, when you succeed all
Speaker 2: the time, what do you learned from that?
Speaker 1: Nothing? Because you started.
Speaker 3: Hey, don't get me wrong, it feels good to win now,
Speaker 3: But them losses teach you way more than way more
Speaker 3: When could.
Speaker 1: Ever teach you?
Speaker 2: And that's what happens a lot of times, guys, when
Speaker 2: you win, you gloss over.
Speaker 1: We won.
Speaker 2: Your technique was bad. You didn't get your head around.
Speaker 2: Oh yo, Hey, you're supposed to do X, Y and Z.
Speaker 2: Hey you how fast? But you still made the catching
Speaker 2: you won. Developing good habits is just as easy it
Speaker 2: is to develop bad habits. People think, oh man, how
Speaker 2: are you doing easy? Just like he developed the good ones.
Speaker 2: It's just as easy for you to eat healthy as
Speaker 2: it is for you to eat bad.
Speaker 1: All it requires is a choice. Which one do you choose?
Speaker 4: Mm?
Speaker 3: Hm?
Speaker 1: Is your desire to be great greater than your desire
Speaker 1: not to be? Or we used to come to the
Speaker 1: tail line I'm good for today.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's it is, but but I think the thing is
Speaker 2: that when you want something, Oh, Joe had a great
Speaker 2: desire to get out of Liberty City. That man say,
Speaker 2: I ain't trying to live I love it here. I
Speaker 2: was raised here. My grandparents did a great job for me.
Speaker 2: But I ain't trying to live here. I want to go.
Speaker 2: I know that something outside of Liberty City. I want
Speaker 2: to go see what South Beach kicking lot hell. I
Speaker 2: want to see what really like out there?
Speaker 1: Hello?
Speaker 2: Hey, Because everything that I need ain't here. Ain't here
Speaker 2: in Liberty City.
Speaker 3: Hey, I agree with you on that, because boy coming
Speaker 3: up in Little Rock, when I got stamped Oho meaning
Speaker 3: like I would say, I've really seen the NBA in
Speaker 3: my future. When I was in tenth grade, Bro, tenth grade,
Speaker 3: like you know, I seen how I was a lot
Speaker 3: more talented than guys. And at my height six six
Speaker 3: six sixty seven, we don't grow them like that. And
Speaker 3: at my height at sixty six sixty seven, I was
Speaker 3: still a guard because I grew late. I grew four
Speaker 3: and a half five inches going into my tenth grade year.
Speaker 3: Once I seen that, once I once I realized that's
Speaker 3: oh yeah, I ain't messing this opportunity up. I'm gonna
Speaker 3: keep aaa. I'm gonna stay out of trouble. I'm gonna
Speaker 3: do whatever it tasts. Because look, it's just me and
Speaker 3: my mama. She working two three jobs, she working at
Speaker 3: the state hospital, with with with with these crazy patients.
Speaker 3: Like listen, bro, I'm trying to I'm trying to give
Speaker 3: her a better life. So I understood that at an
Speaker 3: early age, man you gotta work hard, man, you gotta
Speaker 3: work hard. So I was willing to put the work in,
Speaker 3: and everything else is history.
Speaker 1: Bro. So once you see the light, you got to
Speaker 1: go for it.