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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, Welcome to the Buck Sexton Show. On this episode,
Speaker 2: we have our friend Steven Miller joining us. He is
Speaker 2: the founder and president of america First Legal, former senior
Speaker 2: advisor in the Trump White House. Mister Miller, good to
Speaker 2: have you, sir.
Speaker 3: Great to be here. Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: So let's start, if we can, with the the word
Speaker 2: unprecedented has gotten a lot of usage. Well, wrongly when
Speaker 2: it comes to things that Trump had had done that
Speaker 2: we're so awful, and then correctly when it comes to
Speaker 2: things they've done against a former president and possible future
Speaker 2: president Trump, the many legal, many legal efforts to prosecute
Speaker 2: and perhaps even incarcerate the former president. What do you
Speaker 2: make of it?
Speaker 3: A minute?
Speaker 2: As we speak right now, the J six indictment from
Speaker 2: Jack Smith has not come down. It is expected to
Speaker 2: come down by the time people see this or hear this.
Speaker 2: It may have What is their endgame here and what
Speaker 2: does this mean for the law in this country?
Speaker 1: Well, I think their endgame is quite clear, and it's
Speaker 1: important not to overthink this right. In other words, when
Speaker 1: somebody is trying to throw the leader of the political
Speaker 1: opposition in jail, you should not engage in too many
Speaker 1: layers of overly complicated analysis. What you see is what
Speaker 1: is happening. What you think is happening is what is happening.
Speaker 1: And that is very straightforward. If Donald Trump was not
Speaker 1: running for president, if he was not the front runner
Speaker 1: for president, does one person honestly believed that he would
Speaker 1: be facing federal indictment right now?
Speaker 3: Of course not. Of course you would not be.
Speaker 1: This is about trying to keep President Trump from returning
Speaker 1: to the White House, just like the Russia hoax in
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen was about trying to incapacitate the presidency and
Speaker 1: force him out of office, and every other frame job
Speaker 1: since then, this is about trying to prevent the return
Speaker 1: of President Trump to the White House, and again to
Speaker 1: try to engage any well, maybe there's this other motive
Speaker 1: and maybe the tray to this, maybe train to that.
Speaker 1: When you charge a man with dozens of federal indictments
Speaker 1: that are a functional life sentence, and then you try
Speaker 1: to do it again in a second courtroom, in a
Speaker 1: second citty to effectively give a man what would be
Speaker 1: a life jail sentence. I do not need to read
Speaker 1: any deeper into your motives than to say that they're
Speaker 1: trying to keep President Trump out of the White House.
Speaker 2: How do you see this just in terms of process, Steven,
Speaker 2: you're a lawyer, you run I'm actually.
Speaker 1: Believe it or not, I'm a oh I tell lords
Speaker 1: what to do for a living, but I'm not one
Speaker 1: of myself.
Speaker 2: Oh well there we go. Okay, so you run America
Speaker 2: First Legal, but you're not actually an in front of yourself.
Speaker 2: Good to know. Tell me, then, what do you think
Speaker 2: I think the strategy will be of the Trump legal
Speaker 2: team with regard to are they going to push these
Speaker 2: prosecutions until after the election or does the former president
Speaker 2: want to get them done before the election.
Speaker 1: Well, I can't speak to what his strategy between him
Speaker 1: and as lures would be, but what I can say
Speaker 1: is that it is very clear that the government strategy
Speaker 1: is they want to incarcerate him before the election. And
Speaker 1: we know that because of how they are wrangling over
Speaker 1: the trial dates that we've already seen in the Florida case.
Speaker 1: So it's very clear that what their objective is is
Speaker 1: to have a trial and then incarceration prior to the election.
Speaker 1: And one of the things about the way they do
Speaker 1: the term is stacked indictments, where you have, yeah, literally
Speaker 1: dozens of repetitive charges. Is the idea is that even
Speaker 1: if you win every single count, as long as there
Speaker 1: is one that you don't win again, it can be
Speaker 1: the functional equivalent of a life sentence. You have so
Speaker 1: many statutes in this country, statutes designed to go after
Speaker 1: drug kingpins, statues designed to go after cartel leaders, statues
Speaker 1: designed to go after the worst of the worst, mob bosses,
Speaker 1: right people who kill and rape for a living. The
Speaker 1: thing about these statues that are on the books in
Speaker 1: many cases is that even one of them can be
Speaker 1: again the equivalent of a life sentence. So what they're
Speaker 1: trying to do here is to make it so that
Speaker 1: they can throw everything at the wall and hope that
Speaker 1: just one thing can get across the finish line for
Speaker 1: them and they can take out the leader of the
Speaker 1: political opposition.
Speaker 2: How are President Trump's spirits in.
Speaker 1: All of this, Well, every time that I've talked to him,
Speaker 1: I've never seen him more determined and committed to stay
Speaker 1: the course and to save this country. Every time I've
Speaker 1: spoken with him. I have seen that he understands clearly
Speaker 1: the historical moment that we are in and the need
Speaker 1: to see through to completion what he started in twenty fifteen,
Speaker 1: and that is to ultimately liberate this government from the
Speaker 1: clutches of an unaccountable, unelected permanent bureaucracy, to take on
Speaker 1: both the globalist class and DC, the financial class in
Speaker 1: Wall Street, the permanent political class, and restore true democracy
Speaker 1: of buying for the people.
Speaker 2: Steven want to ask you about the situation at the
Speaker 2: border in a moment, considering you were a senior advisor
Speaker 2: in the White House under Trump and dealt very much
Speaker 2: with the border issue and legal immigration overall. But first
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Speaker 2: Buck Steven, tell me about the situation of the border
Speaker 2: right now? So title what it was a title forty
Speaker 2: two is over and the border is what right now?
Speaker 2: I mean, where where does the situation stand going into
Speaker 2: this presidential election when we talk about our sovereignty and immigration.
Speaker 1: Law, Well, at this moment, we have this sovereignty and
Speaker 1: we have no immigration law, and therefore, in a literal sense,
Speaker 1: we have no country. What we have right now is
Speaker 1: an economy, we have a place where people are living.
Speaker 3: We have a government.
Speaker 1: We don't have a country, because the country requires you
Speaker 1: to have a border, have rules of citizenship, rules of entry,
Speaker 1: rules of admission, rules that determine who could become a
Speaker 1: member of your society. And so during this period of
Speaker 1: President Biden is in office, there is no immigration law.
Speaker 3: There is no sovereignty, there is no country.
Speaker 1: And the best illustration of that is that Joe Biden
Speaker 1: has now initiated a policy of escorting illegal aliens directly to.
Speaker 3: Our ports of entry.
Speaker 1: These are our land ports along the border in which
Speaker 1: lawful travelers would normally present themselves for entry into the country.
Speaker 1: So that would be, for example, people here on business.
Speaker 1: It would be a dual citizens so you're a Mexican
Speaker 1: citizen and an American citizen, and it would be the
Speaker 1: lanes of traffic that go back and forth to the
Speaker 1: United States and Mexico.
Speaker 3: And so those courts of entry.
Speaker 1: Are now where they are bringing illegal aliens and they
Speaker 1: are admitting them the course of entry. So we've gone
Speaker 1: from border security as in law enforcement, halting, blocking, deterring,
Speaker 1: and deporting legal aliens to now going in search of
Speaker 1: going to find illegal aliens, transporting them to our course
Speaker 1: of entry and bringing them directly into the country. And
Speaker 1: they're doing this through a process known as parole. And
Speaker 1: that term is so they may be familiar to you
Speaker 1: from the domestic criminal justice context, right when we parole
Speaker 1: American citizens in the context of a criminal proceeding. But
Speaker 1: in this context, what it means is that you're giving
Speaker 1: a preemptive amnesty to an illegal alien. So they're saying
Speaker 1: to illegal aliens by the hundreds of thousands now, they
Speaker 1: are saying that we are going to let you go
Speaker 1: to the country. We're going to give you a two
Speaker 1: year renewable deportation immunity, and we're going to be the
Speaker 1: eligibility to apply for a work permit. And so that's
Speaker 1: what's happening right now. And so this is a plan, premeditated,
Speaker 1: purposeful assault on our sovereignty. And my organization, America First
Speaker 1: Lead five one C three nonprofit is working on several
Speaker 1: ongoing lawsuits against the body of the administration's mass illegal
Speaker 1: Alien Settlement program and the use of this parole authority
Speaker 1: to mint new migrants that are here illegally and make
Speaker 1: them into their next DOCA class. And we are also
Speaker 1: pushing Congress to defund all of these are settlement operations
Speaker 1: in the upcoming appropriations bill. So government funding expires on
Speaker 1: September thirtieth, and Congress has the power, if they choose
Speaker 1: to use it, to say that you cannot use, Biden,
Speaker 1: we cannot use any taxpayer dollars to release a resettle
Speaker 1: illegal alience into the United States, whether it be through
Speaker 1: parole or any of the other catchmer release schemes they have.
Speaker 1: But as long as this continues, we are not any
Speaker 1: real sense of country.
Speaker 2: Stephen. What would have to happen to fix this situation?
Speaker 2: I mean, let's just fast forward a little bit. We're
Speaker 2: going to get into this happy mindset for a second.
Speaker 1: Here.
Speaker 2: Let's say that President Trump becomes President Trump again. He wins,
Speaker 2: He defeats all the everything that's been thrown against him. Right,
Speaker 2: How does the promise that he made back in twenty
Speaker 2: fifteen really of securing the border and ending the massive
Speaker 2: influx of illegal immigration? How is that actually implemented? Like
Speaker 2: what could be done in four more years, or rather
Speaker 2: with four more years, that would finally bring us to
Speaker 2: a place where, like a lot of other countries, we
Speaker 2: actually have a it's never going to be perfect, right,
Speaker 2: but we have a pretty secure border.
Speaker 3: Well, I think a lot of people.
Speaker 1: So this also there does tell two what I was
Speaker 1: saying earlier about how I tell lawyers what to do
Speaker 1: for a living.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: In my job now as the President of America, first
Speaker 1: legal right, we lead a hardcore team of lawyers and
Speaker 1: litigators fighting against lawlessness all over this country. Well, when
Speaker 1: I was in the Trump administration, my job on behalf
Speaker 1: of the president was to direct the enforcement and implementation
Speaker 1: of our immigration laws, which involved working with many skilled attorneys,
Speaker 1: many talented legal minds, and that is how we implemented
Speaker 1: this regime. Under President Trump, there was this bullet proof
Speaker 1: anti illegal immigration program and so in twenty twenty, what
Speaker 1: we had was, to use that favorite word of yours,
Speaker 1: was unprecedented in its breadth and depth and completeness. And
Speaker 1: so we had, as you already mentioned, Title forty two,
Speaker 1: which is the public health Exclusion, so in order to
Speaker 1: protect the public health of Americans, you can turn away
Speaker 1: legal aliens immediately. We also had something that was known
Speaker 1: as safe third agreements. Many people don't know what these are,
Speaker 1: but in short, what it means is that let's say
Speaker 1: you have the illegal alien from Honduras and they showed
Speaker 1: with the border and they said, I want asylum here. You,
Speaker 1: if you have a safe third agreement, can say we
Speaker 1: have a safe third agreement with Guatemala. You cannot apply
Speaker 1: for asylum here. You have only two options. You can
Speaker 1: go home to Honduras or you can move to Guatemala.
Speaker 1: The choice is yours. So a lot of people don't
Speaker 1: know that we get signed three save third agreements in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one with Honduras, one with Guatemala, and one
Speaker 1: with Elsaliar. In addition to that, we also had a
Speaker 1: number of rapid deportation programs that were able to get
Speaker 1: illegal aliens to their home countries immediately without entering our
Speaker 1: domestic legal system. So, in other words, the old system
Speaker 1: of they go to Ice and they hire a lawyer
Speaker 1: and they go to an immigration court, we'd implemented a
Speaker 1: number of reforms that made it so the border patrol
Speaker 1: could get an illegal alien onto an airplane and back
Speaker 1: of their home country immediately. And so the combination of
Speaker 1: these authorities allowed us to have a zero catcher release policy.
Speaker 1: Anyone we apprehended went home immediately, and so what you
Speaker 1: would see in twenty twenty five, if we were to
Speaker 1: both re implement these policies to put in place them.
Speaker 1: The new policies the President Trumps talked about publicly is
Speaker 1: you would have an effective asylum ban across the entire
Speaker 1: southwest border. So that would mean is is that any
Speaker 1: illegal alien from anywhere in the world, through a combination
Speaker 1: of authorities, would be able to be deported instantaneously and
Speaker 1: ideally to be deported far away from the northern Mexico border,
Speaker 1: our southern border, so that any return journey would be
Speaker 1: exceptionally difficult. And on top of that, you would layer
Speaker 1: a robust prosecution policy so that individuals who are smuggling,
Speaker 1: who are trafficking, who are repeat re entrance, who are harboring, aiding,
Speaker 1: embedding all the different federal criminal statues. You would then
Speaker 1: work with a new DOJ to put those illegal aliens
Speaker 1: behind bars for a very long period of time. So
Speaker 1: you both have you have two massive determs. You have
Speaker 1: instantaneous deportation, but then for individuals who are committing other
Speaker 1: crimes that have lengthy jail sentences attached to them, you're
Speaker 1: putting them behind bars, and you're keeping them behind bars
Speaker 1: and So when smugglers and traffickers are looking at ten, fifteen,
Speaker 1: twenty years behind bars, what doj should be doing Stopping
Speaker 1: sex traffickers, stop you, stopping human Trafficker's not trying to
Speaker 1: jail Republicans. Just those two things alone, as a deportation
Speaker 1: and aggressive prosecution, we're bringing our border down to a trickle.
Speaker 2: But to come in and ask you in just a
Speaker 2: moment here, Steven, to tell us about some of what
Speaker 2: your foundation is America first legal doing with regard to
Speaker 2: the Affirmative Action Supreme Court decision and how it's effectively
Speaker 2: told everybody for college admissions, and one would think for
Speaker 2: corporate America in general, racism is not legal anymore, racism
Speaker 2: in favor of some at the expense of others. I
Speaker 2: want to get to that in just a second. But
Speaker 2: first off, you know, there's something in the works that
Speaker 2: could go down as the worst government power grab in history.
Speaker 2: According to economist and author The Brilliant Doctor Nomi Prince,
Speaker 2: our financial system could soon spiral into chaos. She's speaking
Speaker 2: about a dangerous new program put forward by the by deministration.
Speaker 2: This is about banning gas powered cars, but a total
Speaker 2: ban on cash itself. She sees the launch of a
Speaker 2: new technology called fed now. It's an attack on our cash,
Speaker 2: according to doctor Prinz, and an attack on your privacy
Speaker 2: may well affect your ability to spend money when and
Speaker 2: how you see fit. Soon, something as simple as buying
Speaker 2: a cup of coffee could cause some alarms to go
Speaker 2: off inside the irs. Crazy right, Huge changes are coming
Speaker 2: this summer, and it could be as early as this month.
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Speaker 2: paid for by rogue economics. Stephen, What can be done
Speaker 2: so there's actual enforcement of the Supreme Court's decision, very
Speaker 2: clear decision that you cannot do discrimination on the basis
Speaker 2: of race, no matter how much people think it may
Speaker 2: be a nice idea or not.
Speaker 1: Yes, So this is an area where conservatives need to
Speaker 1: do better, where in the past you've won these big
Speaker 1: Supreme Court rulings and then we've done nothing to actually
Speaker 1: enforce and follow up on those rulings. So, as you
Speaker 1: may remember, some years ago, we won the first iteration
Speaker 1: and I mean we in the global sense. The movement
Speaker 1: won the first iteration of the of the forcing a
Speaker 1: baker to bake some of they don't want a bake case, right,
Speaker 1: remember that case where there was the bakers.
Speaker 2: This is less of course ten now, right, wasn't the
Speaker 2: guy Gibson the cakes or something? Yeah, go ahead, and
Speaker 2: the Masterpiece cake shop and Masterpiece cake Shop? Sorry sorry yeah.
Speaker 1: And he was and he won the case. He won
Speaker 1: the case. It was like ten years ago. Now I
Speaker 1: get the years wrong a little bit right, but it
Speaker 1: was a long time ago. And thinking about the ten
Speaker 1: years since then, the the trans movement has dominated us more.
Speaker 1: The lgbt q A plus plus movement has dominated us
Speaker 1: more at every facet.
Speaker 3: Of American life, because even though they lost.
Speaker 1: The case, the left kept going with the law fair
Speaker 1: harassing every employer across the country to implement their agenda,
Speaker 1: and conservatives popular shait pain is oh, look, we won
Speaker 1: the case, now let's move on. So what my organization
Speaker 1: is doing is saying, okay, we want the Supreme Court CAAs.
Speaker 1: I mean, we globally conservatives and Americans secure about these issues, right,
Speaker 1: but now we have to enforce the damn thing. So
Speaker 1: we need Americans across this country. We see discrimination both
Speaker 1: in the university and in the workplace. To contact us
Speaker 1: so that if you have out claim we can represent you,
Speaker 1: or if you have valid information, then we can follow
Speaker 1: up on it and find a willing plaintiff. So we
Speaker 1: launched a hotline one eight seven seven AFL five four
Speaker 1: or five four one eight seven seven AFL five four
Speaker 1: or five four, or you can just go to our
Speaker 1: website aflegal dot org and write us there. And we
Speaker 1: are saying to all Americans, if you see racism in
Speaker 1: the workplace, if you see racism in your graduate school,
Speaker 1: if you see racism in your undergraduate college or university,
Speaker 1: contact us. Tell us what has happened. If there's an
Speaker 1: actionable claim, we want to pursue it. This is how
Speaker 1: you're going to actually change things in the real world,
Speaker 1: because we all know the universities are going to try
Speaker 1: to program around it, the colleges are going to try
Speaker 1: to program around it. Every educational institution, and certainly every
Speaker 1: major corporate institution of America is going to try to
Speaker 1: program around it. The only way you stop them, the
Speaker 1: only way you beat them, is by taking them to court,
Speaker 1: not once, not twice, not three times, but over and
Speaker 1: over and over again until you legally beat them into submission.
Speaker 3: In our court system.
Speaker 2: Stephen Miller of America First Legal. What's what's the website?
Speaker 1: Stephen af legal dot org, af legal dot org.
Speaker 2: Thank you for all the work you're doing, sir. Thanks
Speaker 2: for making time for a year. Appreciated