WEBVTT - How to Treasure Hunt in Denmark! 

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<v Speaker 2>Guess what, Mango?

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<v Speaker 1>What's that? Will?

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<v Speaker 2>So? I think we've established by now that you and

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<v Speaker 2>I are fans of the Muppets. Actually, as i'm thinking

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<v Speaker 2>about it here, it's probably been a minute we haven't

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<v Speaker 2>talked about the Muppets in mint. So let's go and

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<v Speaker 2>established at Mango. What do you think about the Muppets.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm into them, I'm a fan.

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<v Speaker 2>You're in favor, you're in favor of the Muppet. I

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<v Speaker 2>love the Muppets as well. So we have now established it.

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<v Speaker 2>But here's one thing I actually never knew before this week.

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<v Speaker 2>It's that the Swedish chef wasn't born in Sweden. This

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<v Speaker 2>guy has been living a lie this whole time. We

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<v Speaker 2>actually should have talked about it in our big episode

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<v Speaker 2>on lies just last week.

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<v Speaker 1>This feels like such a scandal. So what do you

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<v Speaker 1>mean he's not from Sweden?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, if you were to make the mistake of asking

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<v Speaker 2>a real Swedish person what they think about.

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<v Speaker 1>The Swedish chef, they would tell you.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure, with a great deal of annoyance, that there

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<v Speaker 2>is nothing inherently Swedish about the character. So most Chef's

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<v Speaker 2>dialogue is just a bunch of made up nonsense words

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<v Speaker 2>that sound I guess vaguely Scandinavian. And according to Swedes,

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<v Speaker 2>the character sing Songish accent is actually much closer to

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<v Speaker 2>that of Norwegian or Danish. Actually, I'm curious whether that's

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<v Speaker 2>true or whether they're just like trying to pass it

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<v Speaker 2>off from somebody else. But you know, it's much more

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<v Speaker 2>like those two dialects than it would be, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>speaking with with Swedish inflections.

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<v Speaker 1>So when he's saying like york and bjorky byork, that's

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<v Speaker 1>not a that is a Swedish secret or not.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, here's what's funny to me is that in

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<v Speaker 2>the Muppets books and screenplays that word b york is

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<v Speaker 2>is almost always spelled with a special Scandinavian vowel that

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<v Speaker 2>looks like an O with a slash through it. You

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<v Speaker 2>know what I'm describing there telling me that vowel doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>exist in the Swedish language, but it does in Norwegian

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<v Speaker 2>and Danish. And even though a lot of people think

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<v Speaker 2>that the chef sounds Norwegian, all the hard evidence points

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<v Speaker 2>to him hailing from Denmark.

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<v Speaker 1>I love how serious we're taking this. So what is

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<v Speaker 1>the hard evidence you're talking about? You?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I got a little confused because I thought this

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<v Speaker 2>whole episode was on the Swedish Chef, so I had

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<v Speaker 2>done a whole lot of research. But anyway, for starters,

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<v Speaker 2>the co creator of the Swedish Chef Muppet Show head

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<v Speaker 2>writer Jerry Jewel, was of Danish heritage himself, and he

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<v Speaker 2>wrote all the Chef's dialogue.

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<v Speaker 1>Which I guess explains how that Danish letter wound up

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<v Speaker 1>in all those b Yorks.

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<v Speaker 2>That's exactly right. It also explains why the German version

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<v Speaker 2>of the Buppet Show renamed the character the Danish Chef.

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<v Speaker 2>The voice actor in the dub thought Henson's accent sounded Danish,

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<v Speaker 2>so he wrote new dialogue incorporating Danish words and mimic

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<v Speaker 2>the accent of his Danish friends.

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<v Speaker 1>So did Henson or Jewel ever acknowledge that their Swedish

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<v Speaker 1>Chef sounded, you know, more Danish.

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<v Speaker 2>Not directly, but someone on the team seems to have

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<v Speaker 2>realized the mix up, because in nineteen eighty five, this

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<v Speaker 2>was ten years after the character's debut, the studio finally

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<v Speaker 2>went on record about the Chef's origins. According to the

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<v Speaker 2>gatefold cover of The Muppet Review VHS. You probably still

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<v Speaker 2>have a copy of this, and I quote few people

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<v Speaker 2>know it, but the Swedish Chef was actually born in Denmark,

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<v Speaker 2>but his parents moved to Sweden when he was just

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<v Speaker 2>a baby.

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<v Speaker 1>I am so glad we got to the bottom of

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<v Speaker 1>this mystery. But we chose Denmark to kick off our

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<v Speaker 1>new travelog series. I did not think that we'd start

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<v Speaker 1>by talking about the Swedish Chef.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I didn't either, but here we are. I know

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<v Speaker 2>we'd be excited to go to both locations, but today

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<v Speaker 2>we are focused on Denmark, and I like to keep

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<v Speaker 2>you on your toes, so it was fun to kind

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<v Speaker 2>of bounce around there. But I do think the story

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<v Speaker 2>shows that despite the many points of overlap between Scandinavian

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<v Speaker 2>language and culture, these countries are much more distinct than

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<v Speaker 2>many of us realize, and lumping them all together just

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<v Speaker 2>makes us look a little bit silly. So in the

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<v Speaker 2>spirit of not mistaking all of Scandinavia for Sweden, let's

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<v Speaker 2>take a trip to Denmark, the land of little mermaids,

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<v Speaker 2>salty Licorice, and then not so Sweetish Chef let's dive in. Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>their podcast listeners, welcome to Part Time Genius. I'm Will

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<v Speaker 2>Pearson and as always I'm joined by my good friend

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<v Speaker 2>Manges Shot Ticketer. And on the other side of that

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<v Speaker 2>soundproof glass showing some Danish pride with his Danish flag

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<v Speaker 2>coffee mug. That's our friend and producer Dylan Fagan. He's

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<v Speaker 2>actually got the whole studio decked out in red and white.

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<v Speaker 2>They say it's crazy, it's impressive. It's impressive, a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of red and white. They're Danish flags hanging from the ceiling,

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<v Speaker 2>another one in front of his desk. He's even got

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<v Speaker 2>a little paper one flying from his Danish pastry. It's

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<v Speaker 2>feels a little bit overkilled to me. But like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you said, Danish people would probably be on board for this,

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<v Speaker 2>right mango.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so Dylan is obviously hitting the mark perfectly once again.

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<v Speaker 1>But the Danes are actually much bigger fans of their

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<v Speaker 1>national flag than most people of most countries. Like they

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<v Speaker 1>liat for all kinds of occasions, including things like birthday parties,

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<v Speaker 1>graduation ceremonies, funerals, and even at Christmas time. And it

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<v Speaker 1>might sound strange, but for many people in Denmark displaying

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<v Speaker 1>the flag as a way to express festivity rather than nationalism.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's because the design of the flag has been

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<v Speaker 1>ingrained into Danish culture for centuries, even before it was

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<v Speaker 1>officially adopted as a state symbol.

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of love that for it to mean something

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<v Speaker 2>even bigger than you know, just borders. So how far

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<v Speaker 2>back does it go? Exactly?

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<v Speaker 1>So, all the way back to June fifteenth, twelve nineteen CE,

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<v Speaker 1>at the Battle of lund Enisa, And that's when, according

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<v Speaker 1>to Danish legend, the country's red and white flag fell

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<v Speaker 1>from the sky as a sign of God's favor. Some

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<v Speaker 1>people think it's a miracle banner. It just arrived in

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<v Speaker 1>the nick of time, and it happened when the Danes

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<v Speaker 1>were currently locked in a losing battle against the Estonians. Now, luckily,

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't just soldiers on the battlefield that day. There

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<v Speaker 1>was an archbishop Dunissan, who had accompanied King Valdemar the

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<v Speaker 1>Second on his crusade Estonia, and when he saw how

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<v Speaker 1>badly the Danes were faring, he raised his arms to

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<v Speaker 1>the sky and began to pray for some heavenly assistance.

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<v Speaker 1>Now suddenly this red lambskin banner bearing a white Nordic

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<v Speaker 1>cross began fluttering down from the sky, and King Valdemar

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<v Speaker 1>takes up this flag. He waves it about his head

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<v Speaker 1>and he urges his troops to fight on. And now

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<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden they believe that God's on their side.

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<v Speaker 1>The Danish forces rally at the side of the flag,

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<v Speaker 1>and they go on to win the day. The banner

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<v Speaker 1>that had changed their fortunes became known as the dannabr

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<v Speaker 1>the cloth or banner of the Danes, and soon after

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<v Speaker 1>it was adopted as a royal symbol, and then as

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<v Speaker 1>a trading banner, a military end sign, and finally, in

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<v Speaker 1>the early nineteenth century as an official flag of Denmark.

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<v Speaker 2>That is a pretty cool history there, and it's no

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<v Speaker 2>wonder the Danish people love their flag so much if

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<v Speaker 2>there's a bunch of like cool lore surrounding it. But

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<v Speaker 2>I am guessing not not to put too much down

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<v Speaker 2>on it. But I'm guessing there's not much historical evidence

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<v Speaker 2>in support of this whole story though, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So, Denmark's victory that day was likely due to

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<v Speaker 1>reinforcements sent in by allies and not the divine intervention

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<v Speaker 1>of this heavenly flag. But that's not to say there

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't a falling flag at all. Red white flags with

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<v Speaker 1>crosses were frequently used by European crusaders between the eleventh

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<v Speaker 1>and thirteenth centuries, and the motif was a symbol of

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<v Speaker 1>Christianity rather than the specific nation or the people. So

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<v Speaker 1>if you think about that, it's totally possible that a

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<v Speaker 1>flag was there during the battle and it maybe even

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<v Speaker 1>fell onto the battlefield from like a castle nearby and

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<v Speaker 1>it helped boost the troop spirits. But like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>for many Dans today, the flag represents more than just

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<v Speaker 1>the government or nation of Denmark. It's this symbol of

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<v Speaker 1>the Danish spirit in general, the people, the history they share.

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<v Speaker 1>It sort of like pulls all of that together. And

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<v Speaker 1>Gabe pointed me to this interview with a Danish professor.

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<v Speaker 1>His name's Torbin Kier's gar Nielsen, and he says the

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<v Speaker 1>different perceptions of the Danish flag are exactly what makes

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<v Speaker 1>it such an effective national symbol. As he puts it,

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<v Speaker 1>everyone uses and interprets the Danish flag in their own way,

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<v Speaker 1>and paradoxically, this is what makes it a uniting symbol.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, that does seem like a pretty unique relationship. Actually,

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<v Speaker 2>speaking of Danish symbols of solidarity, have you heard about

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<v Speaker 2>Denmark's protest pigs? Is this something on your radar?

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like I've heard the friends, but I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what it means.

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<v Speaker 2>So, yeah, protest pig. So it's actually a special breed

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<v Speaker 2>of pig. I'm gonna show you a picture here that

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<v Speaker 2>was bred specifically to resemble the country's beloved flag. What

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<v Speaker 2>do you think?

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<v Speaker 1>I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's pretty, it's pretty wild, and you would think that

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<v Speaker 2>it would have bright red or that maybe what's your

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<v Speaker 2>picturing and the white that's on it, but de fers

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit more of a copper color, and it

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<v Speaker 2>only has one vertical white stripe, so you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>Nordic cross is incomplete. But as far as breeding a

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<v Speaker 2>pig that looks like your flag, I'd give them an

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<v Speaker 2>a for effort on this one.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh huh.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course it does help that Denmark's flag is fairly basic.

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<v Speaker 2>Just imagine trying to breed a pig with fifty stars

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<v Speaker 2>on it. You know, I think somebody out there now

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<v Speaker 2>is going to try, but it's not amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>So and of course like all the stripes too, But

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<v Speaker 1>you call this a protest pig. So what exactly is

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<v Speaker 1>it in protest of.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, this is something that goes way back, and this

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<v Speaker 2>goes back to the eighteen sixties when Denmark was wrestling

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<v Speaker 2>with Prussia for control of the southern Jutland peninsula. So

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<v Speaker 2>Denmark wound up losing the war, and when Prussian authorities

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<v Speaker 2>took control of the area, they instituted new laws banning

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<v Speaker 2>public expressions of Danish pride, including raising the country's flags.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, we just talked about how important this flag

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<v Speaker 2>is to them. That did not sit well with the

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<v Speaker 2>Danish farmers who lived in that disputed southern region, so

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<v Speaker 2>in a clever act of defiance, they began cross breeding

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<v Speaker 2>their pigs to make them better resemble the flag of

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<v Speaker 2>their homeland. I love this so much, so the program

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<v Speaker 2>succeeded and producing a red pig with a vertical white

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<v Speaker 2>belt across its shoulder. Now only a few dozen of

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<v Speaker 2>those two tone pigs are still alive today, but pork

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<v Speaker 2>remains closely tied to Danish politics, and Denmark's national dish

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<v Speaker 2>is fried pork vllley, served with boiled potatoes and a

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<v Speaker 2>bechamel sauce, and it's traditional to eat the meat on

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<v Speaker 2>election night. According to Scandinavia's standard quote, the practice of

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<v Speaker 2>eating valflesk or election meat, is a tongue in cheek

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<v Speaker 2>reference to the over promises made by politicians on the

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<v Speaker 2>campaign trail.

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<v Speaker 1>That's so funny and so snarky. I really love it saying.

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<v Speaker 1>But now that we've talked a little bit about Danish history,

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<v Speaker 1>we should probably get our bearings by covering a few

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<v Speaker 1>of the basics, so for starters. Denmark is a Nordic

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<v Speaker 1>country in northern Europe. It consists of the Jutland Peninsula,

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<v Speaker 1>which you obviously mentioned earlier, and a string of more

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<v Speaker 1>than four hundred islands in the North Sea. It shares

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<v Speaker 1>a southern border with Germany, which still controls the bottom

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<v Speaker 1>third of the peninsula, and to the north. Just across

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<v Speaker 1>the sea are Denmark Scandinavian siblings, so Norway and Sweden.

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<v Speaker 1>Denmark is the smallest of the Scandinavian countries, with an

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<v Speaker 1>area of just sixteen six hundred square miles, or a

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<v Speaker 1>little less than twice the size of Massachusetts, but it

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<v Speaker 1>actually has the second highest population of the three country trees,

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<v Speaker 1>with five point nine million people compared to Norway's five

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<v Speaker 1>point five and Sweden's ten point five. And Denmark also

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<v Speaker 1>has the most temperate climate of the trio thanks to

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<v Speaker 1>the warm waters of the Gulf Stream.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I actually always forget that Denmark is technically

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<v Speaker 2>an island nation. But it does explain why Danish vikings

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<v Speaker 2>got so good at sailing, you know, they had lots

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<v Speaker 2>of nearby places to practice.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and really, the only part of Denmark that isn't

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<v Speaker 1>an island is the large, flat Jutland region, because it's

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<v Speaker 1>the part that juts out of Germany. It's home to

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<v Speaker 1>the city of Alborg in the far north, which is

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<v Speaker 1>often ranked as the happiest city in Europe, as well

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<v Speaker 1>as to Denmark's second largest city, Arhus, which is a

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<v Speaker 1>lively cultural center on Jutland's east coast. But even though

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<v Speaker 1>Jutland is the largest land mass in Denmark, no matter

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<v Speaker 1>which part of the country you visit, you're still never

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<v Speaker 1>more than thirty two miles from the sea. Isn't that

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<v Speaker 1>a movie?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's wild? Yeah, yeah, it was interesting as Jutland sounds.

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<v Speaker 2>I do have a feeling that most people forego a

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<v Speaker 2>trip to Denmark's quote second city in favor of visiting

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<v Speaker 2>its first, which is of course Copenhagen, located on Zealand,

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<v Speaker 2>the largest island in Denmark. The capital city of Copenhagen

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<v Speaker 2>started out as a fishing village. Now this was during

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<v Speaker 2>the Middle Ages, and in those days most of the

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<v Speaker 2>residents made their living by fishing for herring. So for

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<v Speaker 2>the first one hundred years or so, the coastal fishing

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<v Speaker 2>town wasn't really of much strategic importance for the Danish

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<v Speaker 2>crown there. But when a wave of pirate attacks began

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<v Speaker 2>to pose a threat to Danish sovereignty, one of the

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<v Speaker 2>king's advisors took control of the town and started building

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<v Speaker 2>these fortifications in this kind of protecting the inner harbor there.

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<v Speaker 2>With his added security, this harbor town grew into a

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<v Speaker 2>flourishing trade center and eventually renamed Copenhagen, which means merchant's harbor.

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<v Speaker 2>So the city's transformation from a humble fishing village to

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<v Speaker 2>a bustling seaport culminated in thirteen forty three, and this

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<v Speaker 2>was when King Valdemar the fourth declared it the capital

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<v Speaker 2>of Denmark.

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<v Speaker 1>Which is quite the glow up and it sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>this is all kind of thanks to of band of pirates.

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<v Speaker 2>Right in a roundabout way. Yeah. Actually, that's great that

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<v Speaker 2>I said that, because speaking of roundabout, we'd be remiss

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<v Speaker 2>if we didn't mention that Copenhangen is, of course the

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<v Speaker 2>best city in the world for bicyclists, which is fascinating.

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<v Speaker 2>But more than half of the city's six hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>forty thousand residents commute to work or school by bike.

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<v Speaker 2>Think about that. That's more than three hundred thousand people

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<v Speaker 2>in the city that are traveling cumulatively eight hundred thousand

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<v Speaker 2>miles every single day. And they do all that pedaling

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<v Speaker 2>along Copenhagen's two hundred and fifty miles of dedicated bike lanes,

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<v Speaker 2>which pedestrian tourists are advised to keep well clear of.

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<v Speaker 2>Cyclists actually have the right of way on those lanes,

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<v Speaker 2>so if you try to walk through them, you're liable

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<v Speaker 2>to get clipped, verbally shamed, or maybe even both.

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<v Speaker 1>It's amazing to see how dominant cycling is in Copenhagen.

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<v Speaker 1>And I even saw that they have angle trash cans

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<v Speaker 1>throughout the city now so that people can toss their

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<v Speaker 1>garbage while biking. It's amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, the Nanes took to cycling culture from

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<v Speaker 2>the moment bikes arrived in the eighteen eighties. They were

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<v Speaker 2>viewed as an equalizing force in society, providing a fast,

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<v Speaker 2>low cost means of transportation to people of any social class,

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<v Speaker 2>and because of the country's terrain being mostly flat, bikes

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<v Speaker 2>were useful nationwide whether you're commuting to work in a

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<v Speaker 2>city or just tooling around in the countryside for fun.

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<v Speaker 2>So the past time has had its ups and downs

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<v Speaker 2>over the last century or so, but in recent decades

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<v Speaker 2>cycling has made a massive comeback, to the point that

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<v Speaker 2>nine out of ten Danes now own at least one bicycle.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, reports say there are now more bikes than

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<v Speaker 2>people in Copenhagen and five times as many bicycles as cars.

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<v Speaker 1>That really is incredible and probably big reason why Copenhagen

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<v Speaker 1>often tops the world's list of greenest cities.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. Yeah, you know, while I don't want to dissuade

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<v Speaker 2>any listeners from renting a bike during their visit, it

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<v Speaker 2>could be pretty intimidating to hop on a busy bike

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<v Speaker 2>lane when you really don't know your way around. So

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<v Speaker 2>with that in mind, what do you say we run

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<v Speaker 2>through a couple of our favorite places in Copenhagen that

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<v Speaker 2>are perfectly accessible without a bicycle.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that, but first, let's take it quick.

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<v Speaker 2>God break, you're listening to part time Genius and we're

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<v Speaker 2>sharing our muscy stops when touring Copenhagen. All right, mango. So,

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<v Speaker 2>Denmark's largest city has no shortage of iconic sites, from

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<v Speaker 2>the dizzy and corkscrew spire of the Church of Our

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<v Speaker 2>Savior to the famous Little Mermaid statue honoring Hans Christian Anderson.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you had just one day to visit Copenhagen,

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<v Speaker 2>where would you spend it?

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<v Speaker 1>So this might sound strange, but my pick would be

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<v Speaker 1>the Tivoli Gardens amusement park. It is like this compact

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<v Speaker 1>little island of whimsy right in the heart of the

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<v Speaker 1>city and it's just a few steps from Copenhagen's central station.

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<v Speaker 1>And as that prime location might tell you, this is

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<v Speaker 1>no cut rate carnival. It was inspired by the parks

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<v Speaker 1>and gardens of other European cities, most notably the Tivoli

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<v Speaker 1>Gardens and the Vauxhall Garden in London. So there's a

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<v Speaker 1>big focus on manicured flower gardens and outdoor entertainment like

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<v Speaker 1>live music and pantomime plays.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is more sort of like an old school

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<v Speaker 2>pleasure garden than a modern theme park.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, definitely. But Tivoli does have its fair share

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<v Speaker 1>of mechanical rides too. A lot of them are newer editions,

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<v Speaker 1>but some of them have been there since the early

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<v Speaker 1>days of the park. For instance, Tivoli's oldest and most

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<v Speaker 1>popular ride is a nineteen fourteen wooden roller coaster known

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<v Speaker 1>simply as Rutschenbannen or roller Coaster. It's one of just

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<v Speaker 1>a few left in the world that still features a

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<v Speaker 1>live breakman on board of every trade.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a great word for roller coaster. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>try to commit that to memory. But I also love

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<v Speaker 2>that roller coaster breakeman is a viable occupation in Denmark.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like every middle schooler's dream job. But all right,

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<v Speaker 2>so the oldest ride is from nineteen fourteen. But how

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<v Speaker 2>old is the park?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the grand opening of the park goes way back

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<v Speaker 1>to eighteen forty three, which makes it the second oldest

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<v Speaker 1>operating amusement park in the world. The other one also

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<v Speaker 1>happens to be in Denmark.

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<v Speaker 2>Really Okay, yeah, well, they're in some old parks I'm

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<v Speaker 2>honestly impressed I've been able to hold on to such

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<v Speaker 2>prime real estate for that long. I mean, most European

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<v Speaker 2>capitals don't exactly carve out space for a sprawling amusement

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<v Speaker 2>park right in the middle of their downtown.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, to be fair, of the park wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>ever meant to have such a central location. Tili Gardens

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<v Speaker 1>was founded by this guy named George Carstensen, and he

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<v Speaker 1>fell in love with Pleasure Gardens while traveling abroad and

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to bring his own park on the edge of

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<v Speaker 1>the Danish capital. It was kind of a tough sell

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<v Speaker 1>at first, but he eventually won the Danish kingover by

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<v Speaker 1>telling him that you know, when people are amusing themselves,

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<v Speaker 1>they're not really thinking about politics. So Carsonsen's charter allowed

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<v Speaker 1>him to use roughly about fifteen acres of land just

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<v Speaker 1>outside the Copenhagen city limits. It's an area that i'd

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<v Speaker 1>once been the site of the city's old fortifications. But

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<v Speaker 1>the park didn't stay outside the city for long, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's partly because Copenhagen continued to expand throughout the nineteenth century,

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<v Speaker 1>eventually growing around the gardens and making it part of

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<v Speaker 1>the city.

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<v Speaker 2>Proper. I mean, it definitely sounds more fun to have

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<v Speaker 2>a roller coaster in the center of the city than

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of rundown for it. So good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think it's pretty smart. And when Tivoli Gardens

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<v Speaker 1>opened in eighteen forty three, the locals were amazed by

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<v Speaker 1>just how much the familiar grounds had changed. Like these

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<v Speaker 1>used to be barren fields, and they were turned into

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<v Speaker 1>these lush gardens that were filled with like exotic plants

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<v Speaker 1>and flowers. The crumbling ruins were replaced with pavilions modeled

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<v Speaker 1>after foreign architecture, and the park was almost something like

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<v Speaker 1>from a fairy tale. That was especially true at night,

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<v Speaker 1>when thousands of colored lamps would light up the gardens.

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<v Speaker 1>Speaking of fairytales, one of the park's earliest and most

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<v Speaker 1>famous proponents was none other than Hans Christian Anderson. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>He visited Tivoti Gardens during its very first season, and

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<v Speaker 1>his favorite part was the Chinese pavilion. Anderson was so

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<v Speaker 1>inspired by his visit that he wrote an original fairy

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<v Speaker 1>tale set in China called The Nightingale, and he used

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<v Speaker 1>the Tivoli Gardens pavilion as the model for the Emperor's

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<v Speaker 1>Palace and in later years, the park returned the favor

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<v Speaker 1>by incorporating Anderson's fairy Tales into its attractions, so guests

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<v Speaker 1>that Tivoli Gardens can now watch a stage show based

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<v Speaker 1>on the author's work, and even board a dark ride

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<v Speaker 1>called the Flying Trunk, which takes riders on a whirlwind

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<v Speaker 1>tour through thirty two of Anderson's fairy Tales.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's interesting because one of the few things

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<v Speaker 2>that I'd heard about Tivoli Gardens before doing this episode

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<v Speaker 2>is that it helped inspire the Disney theme parks, which

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<v Speaker 2>of course have their own rides based on Anderson's stories.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So Walt actually took a trip to Tivy in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifty one, so just four years before he opened Disneyland,

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<v Speaker 1>and he went there with his good friend and TV

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<v Speaker 1>star Art link Letter, and the two of them spent

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<v Speaker 1>the day gathering ideas to use in Walt's future park.

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<v Speaker 1>According to link Letter, Disney took notes on every aspect

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<v Speaker 1>of Tivli Gardens, And we've heard this about Disney before

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<v Speaker 1>that he was just obsessive. So he wrote down notes

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<v Speaker 1>on everything for the rides, to the foods, to the

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<v Speaker 1>number of trash cans they had. So while Tivoli is

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<v Speaker 1>very much its own thing, you can find traces of

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<v Speaker 1>its influence all over the original Disneyland and in other

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<v Speaker 1>theme parks as well.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Well, as fun as this place sounds, amusement

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<v Speaker 2>parks aren't exactly for everybody. I don't quite get it,

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<v Speaker 2>because I love amusement parks, and the thing is, though,

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<v Speaker 2>you do have to pay to get in. So I

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<v Speaker 2>guess I'll go in a slightly different direction from my pick,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm going to recommend heading to a different part

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<v Speaker 2>of the city that's just as colorful and unique as Tivili,

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<v Speaker 2>but with no admission fee. It's called Freetown Christiania, and

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<v Speaker 2>although it's just a short walk from the trendy waterfront

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<v Speaker 2>area of Kniehound, it feels worlds apart from any other

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<v Speaker 2>neighborhood in Denmark.

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<v Speaker 1>I should think. I read about this place like it's

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<v Speaker 1>a hippie micronation right in the middle of the city, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, So Christiania was founded in nineteen seventy one

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<v Speaker 2>when a few hundred young squatters took up residence in

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<v Speaker 2>this deserted military barracks area. And this is less than

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<v Speaker 2>a mile away from the seed of Danish Parliament. Now

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<v Speaker 2>you might call them hippies or nonconformists or idealists, but

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<v Speaker 2>whatever the case, they wanted to experiment with a different

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<v Speaker 2>way of life when it was more laid back than

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<v Speaker 2>the conventional city living. So it had this motto translated

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<v Speaker 2>into English that was live life. Artistically, only dead fish

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<v Speaker 2>swim in the current. So this was pretty good. So

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<v Speaker 2>with that in mind, they used the land and the

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<v Speaker 2>existing infrastructure to set up an autonomous commune, or freetown

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<v Speaker 2>as they described it, which they claimed was politically distinct

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<v Speaker 2>from the surrounding city and from Denmark itself. So in fact,

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<v Speaker 2>when you enter the area today, there's actually a sign

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<v Speaker 2>announcing that you're leaving the European Union, even though the

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<v Speaker 2>Danish government has never recognized Christiania's independence.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm so curious because like, how does a place

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<v Speaker 1>like this exist, Like you think the city would have

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<v Speaker 1>shut it down if it's really kind of a rogue

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<v Speaker 1>state or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, it's definitely been threatened before, especially in

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<v Speaker 2>the late nineteen seventies when the place became a hub

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<v Speaker 2>for drug dealers as well, but so far the city

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<v Speaker 2>has mostly looked the other way and left Christiania to

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<v Speaker 2>its own devices. So, for example, the commune has its

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<v Speaker 2>own flag, its own common law, and even its own

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<v Speaker 2>system of government, with all the decisions being made jointly

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<v Speaker 2>at these monthly meetings that they have. So the residents

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<v Speaker 2>don't pay rent for their homes the storefronts either. Instead,

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<v Speaker 2>they pay a monthly user fee which kind of helps

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<v Speaker 2>pay for the communal infrastructure and building projects and stuff

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<v Speaker 2>like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I love the idea of a user fee for your talent. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that sounds so wild. So how many people actually live there?

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<v Speaker 2>So there's just under one thousand people. There's about two

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and twenty kids, seven hundred and seventy adults or so,

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<v Speaker 2>including one hundred or so who are still there from

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<v Speaker 2>the original takeover. Actually wow.

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<v Speaker 1>And so what can you do there if you decide

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<v Speaker 1>to visit, Well, the.

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<v Speaker 2>Best way to make sense of what you're seeing is

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<v Speaker 2>to take a guided tour from a local so they

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<v Speaker 2>are offered daily during the summer. Otherwise, visitors are free

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<v Speaker 2>to wander the seventeen acre grounds that are there, and

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<v Speaker 2>there are tons of public art displays to check out,

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of eclectic shops selling handmade crafts, and there's

0:23:03.400 --> 0:23:06.199
<v Speaker 2>always some kind of concert or live performance going on.

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<v Speaker 2>You can also just take a walk along the winding

0:23:09.160 --> 0:23:12.359
<v Speaker 2>forest pathways or stroll along the lake that borders the community.

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<v Speaker 2>It's definitely not your usual tourist fair, but if you're

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<v Speaker 2>interested in alternative lifestyle, a trip to Freetown deserves a

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<v Speaker 2>spot on your itinerary.

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<v Speaker 1>That sounds fascinating, But I'm curious about the drug trade

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<v Speaker 1>that you mentioned. Is that still a problem there, because

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm just kind of wondering, is this the

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<v Speaker 1>type of place you take kids or don't take kids?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's the thing. So for decades now, the most

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<v Speaker 2>notorious part of Christiania was this touristy main drag called

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<v Speaker 2>Pusher Street, and it was lined with all kinds of

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<v Speaker 2>stalls selling souvenirs and junk food. But in one particular stretch,

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<v Speaker 2>known as the green Light District, vendors would openly sell

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<v Speaker 2>marijuana and hash and those are illegal in Denmark actually,

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<v Speaker 2>and in truth, the activity divided the community. Some residents

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<v Speaker 2>even took it upon themselves to dismantle the stalls to

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<v Speaker 2>avoid a government crackdown. But you know, no matter how

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<v Speaker 2>much backlash they faced, and no matter how many police raids,

0:24:00.960 --> 0:24:03.920
<v Speaker 2>their community was subjected to the stalls and the dealers

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<v Speaker 2>just kept coming back.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's got to be so frustrating for the

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<v Speaker 1>families that are just trying to live around there and

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<v Speaker 1>raise the kids in that area.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it also created a really paranoid atmosphere, I guess,

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<v Speaker 2>so the visitors were discouraged from taking photos, were told

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<v Speaker 2>not to run out doors because, as one sign put it,

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<v Speaker 2>it makes people nervous. And sadly, there have been some

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<v Speaker 2>violent incidents in the past few years. But the good

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<v Speaker 2>news is that these tragedies spurred the community to take

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<v Speaker 2>real decisive action, and in twenty twenty four, residents voted

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<v Speaker 2>not only to shut down Pusher Street, but to actually

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<v Speaker 2>rip it up piece by piece. So on April sixth

0:24:38.600 --> 0:24:42.360
<v Speaker 2>of last year, residents held a community wide celebration as

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<v Speaker 2>they dug up the cobblestones of the one hundred meter

0:24:44.760 --> 0:24:47.760
<v Speaker 2>long alley. They tore down the Pusher stalls once and

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<v Speaker 2>for all, and the plan is to use the space

0:24:50.200 --> 0:24:53.679
<v Speaker 2>to build a new communal housing development, which Copenhagen government

0:24:53.680 --> 0:24:56.400
<v Speaker 2>has agreed to fund. Now that the drug trade has

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<v Speaker 2>been squashed, but despite any controversy over the years, Free

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<v Speaker 2>Time is actually one of the most popular tourist destinations

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<v Speaker 2>in the entire city, and with these recent shakeups and decisions,

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<v Speaker 2>now that's probably the best time in decades actually to

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<v Speaker 2>go check it out. I mean, it sounds fascinating.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So now that we've seen a few of the

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<v Speaker 1>sites of the Danish capital, let's talk a little more

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<v Speaker 1>broadly about what to do while in Denmark. But before

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<v Speaker 1>we get into that, let's take another quick break.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to part time Genius. All right, Mango, So

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<v Speaker 2>you're traveling abroad in Denmark, you're hitting all the tourist hotspots,

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<v Speaker 2>but what's something you can do to really feel like

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<v Speaker 2>a local, Like, what would you say is your must

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<v Speaker 2>try Danish pastime?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, aside from election meet which we definitely have to try, right,

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<v Speaker 1>we haven't really talked about Danish cuisine yet, so I'd

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<v Speaker 1>say that if you really want a taste of true

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<v Speaker 1>Danish culture, you have to try in one of the

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<v Speaker 1>country's signature dishes, and open faced sandwich called smur brought

0:26:05.960 --> 0:26:09.679
<v Speaker 1>And the name itself comes from the Danish words for butter,

0:26:09.880 --> 0:26:13.520
<v Speaker 1>s'more and bread broad and at its heart, that's.

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<v Speaker 2>What the dishes.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like a buttered slice of dense Danish rye bread

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<v Speaker 1>which you then pile high with a variety of toppings.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I do love that your travel advice is

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<v Speaker 2>to eat a sandwich, because I think that's a pretty

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<v Speaker 2>pretty safe one for most people when they travel. So

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<v Speaker 2>tell me a little bit more.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, if you want to know about a

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<v Speaker 1>place eat, it's sandwich, right right. That's an old slogan

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<v Speaker 1>of mine. But of course, like this actually isn't any

0:26:37.200 --> 0:26:40.479
<v Speaker 1>old sandwich. This is a lunchtime institution in Denmark, and

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<v Speaker 1>there are these really strict customs around which toppings go

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<v Speaker 1>together and the order in which you should eat them.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, so we're describing a tightly regimented sandwich. I

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<v Speaker 2>do feel like that changes things here.

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<v Speaker 1>I know it sounds odd, but trust me, it's way

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<v Speaker 1>stranger to go to Denmark and not eat one of

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<v Speaker 1>these smur brots. But it's a meal that served just

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<v Speaker 1>about everywhere, from street market stalls to Michelin starred restaurants,

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<v Speaker 1>and with so many topping options and price points, you

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<v Speaker 1>really have no excuse not to try it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm curious tho, how did they get so ubiquitous, because

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<v Speaker 2>an open face sandwich doesn't exactly scream like fine dining

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<v Speaker 2>to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's funny because when it first rose to prominence,

0:27:20.720 --> 0:27:23.080
<v Speaker 1>it was very much a food of the people. This

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<v Speaker 1>is late in the nineteenth century when factory workers began

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<v Speaker 1>to break from tradition by eating their midday meals away

0:27:29.000 --> 0:27:31.399
<v Speaker 1>from home. So of course they needed something cheap and

0:27:31.440 --> 0:27:34.439
<v Speaker 1>filling that didn't require much prep time, so they started

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<v Speaker 1>piling leftovers onto bread and whil this whole culinary tradition

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<v Speaker 1>was born. But presentation is a big deal. With smar brought.

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<v Speaker 1>All of the ingredients are supposed to be arranged in

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<v Speaker 1>a way that highlights their different colors and textures. So

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<v Speaker 1>the thin toppings that go on first, then the bulky ones,

0:27:52.359 --> 0:27:56.040
<v Speaker 1>and finally the garnishes. And it sounds kind of pedantic,

0:27:56.080 --> 0:27:59.040
<v Speaker 1>but remember this is an open faced sandwich, so you

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<v Speaker 1>can't just hide everything under a second slice of bread.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, So what kind of toppings are we looking at?

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<v Speaker 2>So that I know we're talking about Denmark here, so

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<v Speaker 2>I imagine pickled herring has to be in the mix somewhere.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, the go to classic is marinated harring, onions

0:28:12.920 --> 0:28:15.680
<v Speaker 1>and capers, but foreign pallets might want to offer for

0:28:15.720 --> 0:28:18.520
<v Speaker 1>something a little more familiar, like roast beef with pickles,

0:28:18.520 --> 0:28:21.480
<v Speaker 1>onions and horse radish. If you're vegetarian, one of the

0:28:21.520 --> 0:28:25.520
<v Speaker 1>few meat free combinations is of boiled potatoes, fried onions,

0:28:25.520 --> 0:28:29.240
<v Speaker 1>and crem fresh and these sandwiches are especially popular in

0:28:29.280 --> 0:28:31.879
<v Speaker 1>the summer when Danish field grown potatoes are in season.

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<v Speaker 1>Another thing to keep in mind, though, is that people

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<v Speaker 1>often eat multiple of these sandwiches in a single meal,

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<v Speaker 1>and if you do that, there's a proper sequence to

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<v Speaker 1>follow in terms of ingredients. So traditionally your first course

0:28:42.560 --> 0:28:45.360
<v Speaker 1>is the herring, followed by any other fishy sandwiches like

0:28:45.440 --> 0:28:47.960
<v Speaker 1>shrimp or mackerel. Then you move on to a meat

0:28:47.960 --> 0:28:51.680
<v Speaker 1>based sandwich, your roast beef, liver, pete, and chicken salads,

0:28:51.880 --> 0:28:53.720
<v Speaker 1>and then to round things out, you finished with a

0:28:53.800 --> 0:28:57.120
<v Speaker 1>cheesy sandwich for dessert. And probably the most important thing

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<v Speaker 1>to remember is that even though these are sandwiches, they're

0:29:00.600 --> 0:29:03.800
<v Speaker 1>absolutely meant to be eaten with a fork and a knife.

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<v Speaker 1>You were going to get shocked looks from Danes if

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<v Speaker 1>you just use your hands and pick one up. So

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<v Speaker 1>be sure to do that at your own peril.

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<v Speaker 2>All right. Actually, have you ever had pickled hairing before, Mengo?

0:29:15.160 --> 0:29:18.560
<v Speaker 2>I have not, have you. You know, when Georgia and

0:29:18.640 --> 0:29:20.880
<v Speaker 2>I travel, we try to do a good job of

0:29:21.240 --> 0:29:24.440
<v Speaker 2>eating some of the local favorites. And we were actually

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<v Speaker 2>in Sweden when we did this, and we tried really hard,

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<v Speaker 2>and there were some of it that tasted okay. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's one of the first times I've ever seen her

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<v Speaker 2>with like true eyes watering, like really just trying to

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<v Speaker 2>make it work. But you know, when you're there, you

0:29:38.880 --> 0:29:41.040
<v Speaker 2>got to try it. I feel like that's just part

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<v Speaker 2>of it. But as for this, I can't decide if

0:29:43.440 --> 0:29:46.320
<v Speaker 2>I love or hate how complicated they made eating a sandwich,

0:29:46.360 --> 0:29:48.880
<v Speaker 2>but I do want to try one, all right. So

0:29:48.960 --> 0:29:51.600
<v Speaker 2>after you've gorged yourself on pickled herring and rye bread,

0:29:51.640 --> 0:29:53.760
<v Speaker 2>you'll probably be in the mood for a little fresh

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<v Speaker 2>air and maybe even some exercise. And one of the

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<v Speaker 2>best ways to get exercise in Denmark is to have

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<v Speaker 2>yourself a treasure hunt. I don't know if you saw

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<v Speaker 2>that one coming, but I don't mean shopping for souvenirs. Instead,

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to want to rent a metal detector and

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<v Speaker 2>make your way to the nearest open field that you

0:30:09.400 --> 0:30:12.040
<v Speaker 2>can find there. The more rural, the better.

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<v Speaker 1>I really thought you were gonna say, like, get a

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<v Speaker 1>snow globe, get a baseball, get.

0:30:17.360 --> 0:30:21.239
<v Speaker 2>No, nope, that is not what I was going for.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm amazed by this. So tourists can actually just like

0:30:23.920 --> 0:30:26.640
<v Speaker 1>dig holes in search of buried treasure around the city.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, as long as it's on public land, they're

0:30:29.880 --> 0:30:32.240
<v Speaker 2>allowed to do this. This is thanks to a century's

0:30:32.320 --> 0:30:36.200
<v Speaker 2>old Danish law, where citizens and visitors alike are free

0:30:36.240 --> 0:30:39.240
<v Speaker 2>to dig wherever they want, so long as they hand

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<v Speaker 2>over any objects of value that they come across.

0:30:42.360 --> 0:30:43.959
<v Speaker 1>And who do you hand them over to?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it is not obvious so anyway, that the so

0:30:47.360 --> 0:30:50.320
<v Speaker 2>called treasure trove of law was passed in twelve forty

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<v Speaker 2>one CE by King Valdemar the Second, So back then

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<v Speaker 2>you were supposed to give it all to him. But

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<v Speaker 2>these days an ancient treasure you find in Denmark is

0:30:59.600 --> 0:31:02.720
<v Speaker 2>required be taken to a local museum, which will then

0:31:02.840 --> 0:31:05.800
<v Speaker 2>hand off the goods to the National Museum in Copenhagen.

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<v Speaker 2>I think this is just so silly and delightful.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's pretty amazing. And I guess everything's just on

0:31:10.320 --> 0:31:12.480
<v Speaker 1>the honor system, or is there like a reward for

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<v Speaker 1>doing this work?

0:31:13.760 --> 0:31:17.280
<v Speaker 2>Spoken like a true American, the big reward. But there

0:31:17.400 --> 0:31:19.680
<v Speaker 2>is a reward system, and it's actually been in place

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<v Speaker 2>since seventeen fifty two, and anyone who's find is determined

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<v Speaker 2>to be of historical interest receives a small sum of money,

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<v Speaker 2>actually typically around six hundred kroner or just over eighty

0:31:30.200 --> 0:31:32.880
<v Speaker 2>dollars US. Now, it might take a couple of years

0:31:32.880 --> 0:31:34.600
<v Speaker 2>for the museum to pay up, as they tend to

0:31:34.600 --> 0:31:38.440
<v Speaker 2>receive about eighteen thousand objects every single year. Can't I

0:31:38.440 --> 0:31:41.040
<v Speaker 2>matge how many holes are sitting there throughout the city.

0:31:41.080 --> 0:31:43.920
<v Speaker 2>But the weight is well worth it, because, in addition

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<v Speaker 2>to the bounty, the museum also sends the finder a

0:31:46.760 --> 0:31:50.560
<v Speaker 2>letter detailing everything they've learned about the object, including when

0:31:50.560 --> 0:31:52.880
<v Speaker 2>it was made, who it may have belonged to, and

0:31:52.880 --> 0:31:54.680
<v Speaker 2>what it might have been used for. One of the

0:31:54.720 --> 0:31:59.120
<v Speaker 2>most frequent finds are these mysterious gold foils called guid goober.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe that's how pronounced that. I actually I don't think

0:32:01.520 --> 0:32:03.440
<v Speaker 2>that's at all how it announced, but that's what I'm reading,

0:32:03.720 --> 0:32:06.280
<v Speaker 2>which is a Swedish term that means a little man

0:32:06.360 --> 0:32:09.640
<v Speaker 2>of gold. They're these small thin pieces of hammered gold

0:32:09.680 --> 0:32:12.480
<v Speaker 2>that kind of look like postage stamps and they're embossed

0:32:12.520 --> 0:32:15.440
<v Speaker 2>with these images of people. And a few thousand gold

0:32:15.480 --> 0:32:19.160
<v Speaker 2>gubber have been found all across Norway, Sweden and Denmark,

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<v Speaker 2>and while archaeologists believe that they were made during the

0:32:21.800 --> 0:32:24.239
<v Speaker 2>Iron Age, no one is exactly sure what they were

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<v Speaker 2>used for.

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<v Speaker 1>That's interesting because I know a lot of countries have

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<v Speaker 1>cracked down on metal detecting for fear that people might

0:32:30.600 --> 0:32:33.719
<v Speaker 1>start looting all the historic sites. But it sounds like

0:32:33.800 --> 0:32:36.480
<v Speaker 1>Denmark found a way to use that hobby to everyone's advantage,

0:32:36.520 --> 0:32:40.080
<v Speaker 1>Like people are finding things of real historic value and

0:32:40.520 --> 0:32:42.440
<v Speaker 1>the city's kind of outsourcing the work.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely. I mean, there's lots that's unknown about Danish history

0:32:45.800 --> 0:32:49.280
<v Speaker 2>prior to the vikings and artifacts found by metal detectorists.

0:32:49.480 --> 0:32:52.200
<v Speaker 2>You know, they're helping to fill in some of those gaps. So,

0:32:52.240 --> 0:32:54.680
<v Speaker 2>for example, one of the most illuminating finds came in

0:32:54.720 --> 0:32:57.880
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty one when I first time detectorists discovered a

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<v Speaker 2>stash of fifteen hundred year old gold old jewelry. This

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<v Speaker 2>was in central Jutland. Archaeologists think it may have been

0:33:04.200 --> 0:33:06.520
<v Speaker 2>buried to keep it out of the hands of invaders,

0:33:06.640 --> 0:33:10.280
<v Speaker 2>or possibly as a last resort offering to the Norse gods.

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<v Speaker 2>But what's really interesting is that some of the pieces

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<v Speaker 2>appear to be based on similar Roman jewelry, and a

0:33:15.720 --> 0:33:17.960
<v Speaker 2>few of them are actually gold coins from the Roman

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<v Speaker 2>Empire that were converted into these wearable medallions.

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<v Speaker 1>That is insane, and it feels like like for a

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<v Speaker 1>rookie detectriss to come out there and just like on

0:33:27.920 --> 0:33:30.920
<v Speaker 1>their first like then you go around come up with

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<v Speaker 1>all these coins.

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<v Speaker 2>It's some believe pretty awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>So does that mean someone in the pre Viking society

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<v Speaker 1>had contact with the Romans? Like, is that how this

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<v Speaker 1>stuff got there? You know?

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<v Speaker 2>Probably not, since the Vikings themselves never made it to

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<v Speaker 2>Roman territories. But the presence of the coins does suggest

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<v Speaker 2>that people who lived there before the Vikings had a

0:33:50.000 --> 0:33:53.560
<v Speaker 2>much more extensive trade network than the researchers had previously guessed.

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<v Speaker 2>And again, this is something we now know because a

0:33:56.240 --> 0:33:58.760
<v Speaker 2>random guy decided to buy a metal detector and got

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<v Speaker 2>super lucky on his first.

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<v Speaker 1>That is wild. So I love that ordinary citizens are

0:34:03.360 --> 0:34:05.520
<v Speaker 1>out there doing some of the like work for archaeologists,

0:34:05.880 --> 0:34:07.480
<v Speaker 1>it really does feel like a win win.

0:34:07.840 --> 0:34:10.040
<v Speaker 2>It really is, and especially when you consider that many

0:34:10.040 --> 0:34:12.279
<v Speaker 2>of these artifacts would have wound up being destroyed by

0:34:12.920 --> 0:34:15.560
<v Speaker 2>farming or development if someone hadn't come along and dug

0:34:15.600 --> 0:34:18.000
<v Speaker 2>them up first. It's very much a race against time

0:34:18.040 --> 0:34:20.640
<v Speaker 2>to find whatever else might be out there, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>why museum curators are quick to thank the public for

0:34:23.440 --> 0:34:26.440
<v Speaker 2>their help. So, as the National Museum Curator put it,

0:34:26.960 --> 0:34:29.400
<v Speaker 2>these citizens spend a lot of time doing this and

0:34:29.440 --> 0:34:32.520
<v Speaker 2>that's time we as professionals would never have in the field.

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<v Speaker 2>We're writing our history together in a way where everybody

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<v Speaker 2>can participate.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's pretty wonderful. It reminds me of what we

0:34:40.000 --> 0:34:41.960
<v Speaker 1>were saying earlier about Danes taking so much pride in

0:34:42.040 --> 0:34:43.960
<v Speaker 1>their flag, Like there really does seem to be a

0:34:44.000 --> 0:34:46.520
<v Speaker 1>sense of unity in their society, not long any like

0:34:46.680 --> 0:34:49.680
<v Speaker 1>hard political lines, but just in the sense of a

0:34:49.719 --> 0:34:51.040
<v Speaker 1>shared history and culture.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it certainly feels that way. And actually, speaking of refreshing,

0:34:54.880 --> 0:34:57.680
<v Speaker 2>if you want to know what else is refreshing, an

0:34:57.719 --> 0:35:01.279
<v Speaker 2>ice cold can of facts. Condi, beloved Danish soft drink

0:35:01.320 --> 0:35:03.879
<v Speaker 2>and official sponsor for Today's Fact off.

0:35:04.120 --> 0:35:07.200
<v Speaker 1>I've been waiting for an official beverage sponsor. Are they

0:35:07.239 --> 0:35:08.360
<v Speaker 1>really a bever sponsor?

0:35:08.600 --> 0:35:11.200
<v Speaker 2>No, not really, but the name does sound a little

0:35:11.400 --> 0:35:13.640
<v Speaker 2>like facts, and it does taste pretty good. It's kind

0:35:13.680 --> 0:35:15.960
<v Speaker 2>of like seven up, but marketed as a sports drink.

0:35:16.800 --> 0:35:19.520
<v Speaker 1>Well, as long as it doesn't come and pickled Harrying flavor,

0:35:19.719 --> 0:35:20.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm totally on board.

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<v Speaker 2>All right. Well, here's one more stop for your Copenhagen itinerary,

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<v Speaker 2>the world's largest collection of unopened beer bottles. The collection

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<v Speaker 2>began as a hobby for Danish engineer Laif Son. This

0:35:37.200 --> 0:35:39.840
<v Speaker 2>was back in nineteen sixty eight, and he started with

0:35:39.920 --> 0:35:42.600
<v Speaker 2>European beers because they were easy to find, and then

0:35:42.600 --> 0:35:45.759
<v Speaker 2>he widened his net to include beers from around the globe.

0:35:46.120 --> 0:35:49.319
<v Speaker 2>By nineteen ninety three, Son had amassed more bottles than

0:35:49.320 --> 0:35:51.799
<v Speaker 2>his house could comfortably hold, and so he arranged for

0:35:51.840 --> 0:35:55.120
<v Speaker 2>the whole collection to be moved to the Carlsburg Brewery

0:35:55.120 --> 0:35:58.240
<v Speaker 2>in Copenhagen. Back then, there were about ten thousand unique

0:35:58.239 --> 0:36:01.240
<v Speaker 2>bottles in the collection, but under Sun guidance, the catalog

0:36:01.280 --> 0:36:04.319
<v Speaker 2>has continued to grow. As of twenty twenty five, it

0:36:04.360 --> 0:36:08.280
<v Speaker 2>now includes twenty two thousand, six hundred and ninety two

0:36:08.320 --> 0:36:11.200
<v Speaker 2>different bottles and counting pretty incredible.

0:36:11.800 --> 0:36:14.520
<v Speaker 1>So like twenty two thousand bottles of Viera on the

0:36:14.520 --> 0:36:16.359
<v Speaker 1>wall and none of them are ever going to get

0:36:16.400 --> 0:36:18.560
<v Speaker 1>taken down or passed around.

0:36:18.440 --> 0:36:21.000
<v Speaker 2>Thank goodness, because that would be a very long song.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, speaking of Danish behavior, that doesn't quite make sense.

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<v Speaker 1>If you ever find yourself in Denmark on New Year's Eve,

0:36:28.600 --> 0:36:31.000
<v Speaker 1>be prepared for everyone to climb on top of their

0:36:31.080 --> 0:36:34.799
<v Speaker 1>chairs just before midnight and then leap off at the

0:36:34.840 --> 0:36:38.040
<v Speaker 1>stroke of twelve. According to an old tradition, it's good

0:36:38.120 --> 0:36:40.399
<v Speaker 1>luck to jump into the new year, and bad luck

0:36:40.400 --> 0:36:43.120
<v Speaker 1>if you forget to. So when the countdown begins, head

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<v Speaker 1>for the highest armchair you can find and try not

0:36:45.440 --> 0:36:47.759
<v Speaker 1>to hit anyone else on your way down. Doesn't that

0:36:47.840 --> 0:36:48.279
<v Speaker 1>so fun?

0:36:49.040 --> 0:36:52.000
<v Speaker 2>Does sound pretty fun actually? And loud for that matter.

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<v Speaker 2>All Right, Well, here's another Danish tradition that might raise

0:36:55.160 --> 0:36:58.960
<v Speaker 2>a few eyebrows. So every February, Denmark celebrates the holiday

0:36:59.040 --> 0:37:02.000
<v Speaker 2>of fasta Layman or Carnival. Now it's kind of a

0:37:02.000 --> 0:37:04.799
<v Speaker 2>mash up between Halloween and Marty grass I guess, and

0:37:05.200 --> 0:37:07.640
<v Speaker 2>one of the staples of the celebration is this game

0:37:07.760 --> 0:37:09.680
<v Speaker 2>called knocking the cat out of the.

0:37:09.600 --> 0:37:13.320
<v Speaker 1>Barrel, which sounds rough for the cat.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, the modern version is really kid friendly

0:37:17.880 --> 0:37:21.000
<v Speaker 2>and parents fill this wooden barrel with candy and they

0:37:21.000 --> 0:37:23.160
<v Speaker 2>decorate it with a picture of a black cat and

0:37:23.239 --> 0:37:25.640
<v Speaker 2>let their kids take turns hitting it with a bad

0:37:25.760 --> 0:37:28.600
<v Speaker 2>kind of like a pinata. And traditionally though, the custom

0:37:28.640 --> 0:37:31.560
<v Speaker 2>had religious connotations and was done in preparation for Lent

0:37:31.800 --> 0:37:34.960
<v Speaker 2>and Easter, so the idea was to beat out the evil,

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<v Speaker 2>and the evil in this case was an actual cat.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it. I love that, Like you're supposed to

0:37:40.640 --> 0:37:42.960
<v Speaker 1>beat out an atal cat, but they replaced it with candy.

0:37:43.160 --> 0:37:44.080
<v Speaker 2>Candy makes sense.

0:37:44.280 --> 0:37:48.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so obviously hats have this sort of evil connotation.

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<v Speaker 1>But you should also keep an eye out for stray

0:37:51.840 --> 0:37:55.840
<v Speaker 1>piles of cinnamon in the streets. And this may appear

0:37:55.840 --> 0:37:58.400
<v Speaker 1>to be a random amount of spice, but it's actually

0:37:58.440 --> 0:38:01.839
<v Speaker 1>evidence of another long story in Danish custom. This one

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<v Speaker 1>says that when someone turns twenty five and they're still unmarried,

0:38:05.160 --> 0:38:07.239
<v Speaker 1>all of their friends and family get to drag them

0:38:07.239 --> 0:38:10.240
<v Speaker 1>into the street and dowse them head to toe in cinnamon.

0:38:10.600 --> 0:38:13.080
<v Speaker 1>And sometimes they'll also splash you with water or even

0:38:13.160 --> 0:38:15.520
<v Speaker 1>raw eggs. So that the cinnamon will stick better.

0:38:16.640 --> 0:38:19.440
<v Speaker 2>So I'm curious that is the idea to sweeten you

0:38:19.520 --> 0:38:21.240
<v Speaker 2>up to find a partner or something.

0:38:21.680 --> 0:38:23.719
<v Speaker 1>Maybe, but I think it's more that cinnamon is just

0:38:23.800 --> 0:38:26.480
<v Speaker 1>relatively cheap and plentiful and also kind of hard to

0:38:26.520 --> 0:38:29.720
<v Speaker 1>clean off. So the prevailing theory is that the custom

0:38:29.760 --> 0:38:32.360
<v Speaker 1>dates back hundreds of years to a time when traveling

0:38:32.400 --> 0:38:36.919
<v Speaker 1>spicemen were notorious lifelong bachelors and people start referring them

0:38:37.000 --> 0:38:41.160
<v Speaker 1>as peppers VENs or pepper dudes, and eventually the term

0:38:41.239 --> 0:38:43.279
<v Speaker 1>was also extended to single women, who were known as

0:38:43.320 --> 0:38:46.680
<v Speaker 1>pepper maidens. Now the cinnamon dowsing prank grew out of

0:38:46.719 --> 0:38:49.399
<v Speaker 1>this association, and if you're wondering why they don't use

0:38:49.440 --> 0:38:52.600
<v Speaker 1>pepper instead, it's because that's the spice that's reserved for

0:38:52.640 --> 0:38:54.760
<v Speaker 1>a single person's thirtieth birthday.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, good, it's good to differentiate there. So do most

0:38:59.040 --> 0:39:00.920
<v Speaker 2>Danish people get married right out of high school to

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<v Speaker 2>avoid being shamed with cinnemon or what?

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<v Speaker 1>So? That's actually the most unusual part of this is

0:39:06.520 --> 0:39:08.840
<v Speaker 1>that the average age that men get married in Denmark

0:39:08.920 --> 0:39:11.440
<v Speaker 1>is thirty four and for women it's thirty two. So

0:39:11.960 --> 0:39:14.680
<v Speaker 1>a decent chunk of the population goes through the spicy

0:39:14.719 --> 0:39:17.560
<v Speaker 1>custom before they find their way to betrothal.

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<v Speaker 2>That's very interesting, all right, Well, the moment is here, Mango.

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<v Speaker 2>We've actually been very disciplined today and not derailing the

0:39:24.600 --> 0:39:27.360
<v Speaker 2>show to talk about Lego, which is of course a

0:39:27.480 --> 0:39:30.919
<v Speaker 2>Danish invention. We've held back. I don't know how we've

0:39:30.920 --> 0:39:33.200
<v Speaker 2>held back with Gay being involved in the research. This

0:39:33.239 --> 0:39:35.200
<v Speaker 2>as much of a huge toy fan as he is.

0:39:35.239 --> 0:39:38.160
<v Speaker 2>But here we are. But a few years ago we

0:39:38.200 --> 0:39:41.000
<v Speaker 2>actually devoted an entire episode to the history of the

0:39:41.040 --> 0:39:43.359
<v Speaker 2>little plastic bricks. So we decided not to say too

0:39:43.400 --> 0:39:46.000
<v Speaker 2>much today. But since it's illegal to talk about Denmark

0:39:46.400 --> 0:39:48.799
<v Speaker 2>without at least mentioning the brand, I do have a

0:39:48.840 --> 0:39:51.760
<v Speaker 2>fact here about the world's first Lego Land theme park.

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<v Speaker 2>So it opened on June seventh, nineteen sixty eight, in

0:39:55.040 --> 0:39:58.680
<v Speaker 2>the company's hometown of Billund, and the park's main attraction

0:39:58.840 --> 0:40:02.560
<v Speaker 2>those days was an area called Miniland, which features highly

0:40:02.560 --> 0:40:06.600
<v Speaker 2>detailed cities and other real world locations modeled in Lego bricks.

0:40:07.080 --> 0:40:10.160
<v Speaker 2>Guests were encouraged to tour the manicured grounds while admiring

0:40:10.200 --> 0:40:13.120
<v Speaker 2>examples of the architecture from places they might never get

0:40:13.160 --> 0:40:16.280
<v Speaker 2>to visit in person, so kind of the same ideas

0:40:16.360 --> 0:40:20.280
<v Speaker 2>like Tivoli Gardens, I guess. And amazingly though, Manyland's elaborate

0:40:20.320 --> 0:40:24.680
<v Speaker 2>city scapes were designed almost entirely by one single employee.

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<v Speaker 2>Her name was Dagny Holme and she was the niece

0:40:27.760 --> 0:40:31.560
<v Speaker 2>of Lego founder Old Kirk Christiansen. Now, in the end,

0:40:31.880 --> 0:40:34.800
<v Speaker 2>she and her team used more than twenty million Lego

0:40:34.840 --> 0:40:38.440
<v Speaker 2>bricks to construct these detailed, scaled down versions of famous

0:40:38.520 --> 0:40:41.080
<v Speaker 2>landmarks throughout Denmark and the rest of the world for

0:40:41.120 --> 0:40:44.520
<v Speaker 2>that matter. Now, this wasn't entirely static in its display.

0:40:44.719 --> 0:40:48.239
<v Speaker 2>Lego cars and trains powered by electricity were there to

0:40:48.280 --> 0:40:51.560
<v Speaker 2>move their way through these intricate scenes, and Lego boats

0:40:51.600 --> 0:40:53.680
<v Speaker 2>and the mini harbor appeared to move on their own,

0:40:54.000 --> 0:40:56.480
<v Speaker 2>and this was all thanks to a clever underwater police

0:40:56.520 --> 0:40:58.879
<v Speaker 2>system that they had set up there. Now you fast

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<v Speaker 2>forward almost sixty years and there are ten Lego Land

0:41:01.440 --> 0:41:04.439
<v Speaker 2>parks spread all across the world. And while each park

0:41:04.480 --> 0:41:07.280
<v Speaker 2>is a little bit different, the biggest similarity they share

0:41:07.360 --> 0:41:10.600
<v Speaker 2>is that every one of these has its own sprawling miniland.

0:41:11.040 --> 0:41:13.319
<v Speaker 2>This shared feature is one of the main things that

0:41:13.360 --> 0:41:16.319
<v Speaker 2>sets Lego Land apart from other modern theme parks, and

0:41:16.360 --> 0:41:19.480
<v Speaker 2>it never would have existed without the imagination and talent

0:41:19.600 --> 0:41:20.479
<v Speaker 2>of Dagny Home.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, first you kick this off with a Muffets

0:41:25.080 --> 0:41:27.200
<v Speaker 1>fact and then you end it with a Lego fact.

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<v Speaker 1>It feels like you're just gunning for the wind this week,

0:41:29.640 --> 0:41:32.359
<v Speaker 1>so I think you have to take over the trophy.

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<v Speaker 2>This was all really really planned out, so I appreciate it,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's going to do it for today's Part Time Genius.

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<v Speaker 2>If you enjoyed this episode or just want to share

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<v Speaker 2>what we missed about visiting the great country of Denmark,

0:41:44.400 --> 0:41:46.880
<v Speaker 2>hit us up on Instagram. Our handle is of course

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<v Speaker 2>at part Time Genius, but from Gabe, Mary, Dylan, Mango

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<v Speaker 2>and me thank you so much for listening.

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