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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Tell me about the debrief. What are the parameters for

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Speaker 2: the topic should cover? How many underlings do you boss around?

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Speaker 3: Are you?

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Speaker 2: Are you the kind of boss that cracks the web

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Speaker 2: kind of a thing and times them for when they

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Speaker 2: get into the office.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, only when they misbehave right. Yeah, But we do

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Speaker 3: have a very good group of people who are, of course,

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Speaker 3: you know, contributing in a range of different areas. If

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Speaker 3: I had to try and say, really, what the debrief

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Speaker 3: team and I are primarily focused on, it's really disruptive technology.

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Speaker 3: But there's a lot of science, a lot of astronomy.

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Speaker 3: And again that's really been the case recently with all

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Speaker 3: the buzz surrounding three I Atlas, the third confirmed interstellar

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Speaker 3: object passing through our planetary you know, neighborhood to hear

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Speaker 3: the solar system, and so there's been a lot of

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Speaker 3: attention on that. But I mean we cover defense too,

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Speaker 3: we cover you know, science, technology, a range of things,

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Speaker 3: and so you know, it's always business when you have

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Speaker 3: something strange careening through our solar system. Business has been

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Speaker 3: good lately. I think, yeah, we're going to get into

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Speaker 3: that in a second. I mean, the debrief has broken

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Speaker 3: some big stories. I remember the David Grush interview that

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Speaker 3: was that's where it was first read, first scene, And

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Speaker 3: is there anything that's off limits? When when writers who

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Speaker 3: contribute to your publication they come in with some wild idea,

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Speaker 3: you say, no, that's just too far out. Well, you know, yah,

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Speaker 3: sometimes we do have to kind of rain things in

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Speaker 3: a little. I mean it's important and again, you know,

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Speaker 3: really taking so many cues from your playbook. I mean,

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Speaker 3: being a veteran reporter who you know, whose work I've

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Speaker 3: followed for such a long time, George, and you know

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Speaker 3: that you've got to get to the bottom of the story,

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Speaker 3: and you've got to vet every source. You've got to

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Speaker 3: try and determine, you know, when people bring you a story.

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Speaker 3: As the editor, my job is to say, okay, you know,

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Speaker 3: let's look at the who, what we're when, and why.

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Speaker 3: But then also we all we really need to try

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Speaker 3: and take a different approach from what so many other

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Speaker 3: sites are reporting, the kinds of things, the kinds of

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Speaker 3: news that you see elsewhere. Make sure that there is

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Speaker 3: a unique perspective provided. But certainly something that I think

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Speaker 3: also offers the credibility factor, which is again what the

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Speaker 3: UAP topic has so long needed. I think, yeah, I.

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Speaker 2: Think there are folks who assume, because it's a wacky

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Speaker 2: topic like UAP, UFOs are perceived as such that maybe

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Speaker 2: the journalism standards aren't the same. You can get away

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Speaker 2: with taking chances and unattributed information or unidentified sources kind

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Speaker 2: of thing. And it's almost the opposite of that, right,

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Speaker 2: it's exactly the opposite.

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Speaker 3: I remember for years laughing about how every UFO story

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Speaker 3: I'm sure you've seen this, George, everyone either started or

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Speaker 3: ends with the truth is out there, but and then

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Speaker 3: comes crazy claim, right, and it's always treated like water

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Speaker 3: water cooler news. The one thing I think that the

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Speaker 3: team and I hope to try and do, and again

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Speaker 3: something I think you've done for a long time, treat

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Speaker 3: this topic like any other science, defense, or technology topic

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Speaker 3: should be treated. Take it seriously because, as we have

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Speaker 3: learned in recent years, whatever some UAP represent, they are

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Speaker 3: potentially also a national security challenge. And now, of course

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Speaker 3: the US military takes that challenge very seriously with the

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Speaker 2: Back to three I atlas this comment, so I saw

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Speaker 2: some fiery remarks on social media earlier tonight from doctor

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Speaker 2: Avi Lobe, the esteemed Harvard astronomer who has raised a

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Speaker 2: lot of intriguing questions about what he thinks are unusual

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Speaker 2: properties associated with this comment in this Interstellar Visitor. At

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Speaker 2: one point, doctor Loebe speculated it could be artificial construct

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Speaker 2: I saw a debrief article and we posted it on

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Speaker 3: Here.

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Speaker 2: Can you help our listeners get a handle on where

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Speaker 2: things stand, what is unusual, what if anything is unusual

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Speaker 3: Yeah, certainly. I mean, first of all, let's just be

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Speaker 3: again doctor Lobe, again widely recognized expert on you know,

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Speaker 3: all matters astronomical and astrophysical, and of course, you know,

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Speaker 3: with his tenure at Harvard there he's somebody who is

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Speaker 3: also saying, listen, there are some aspects about the way

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Speaker 3: just to clarify I think some Auvi's perspectives. AVI has

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Speaker 3: said we should be open to other possibilities, even though

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Speaker 3: more in the next few weeks days. In fact, actually

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Speaker 3: that will support the combat idea. But again, as far

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Speaker 3: I Atlas was exhibiting some very unusual behaviors since it

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Speaker 3: But it was in front of the object, which is

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Speaker 3: to take back off, leave our Solar system and resume

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Speaker 3: its interstellar journey through space. For Avi Lobe. He has said, again,

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Speaker 3: you know the path it is taking, some of these

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Speaker 3: other peculiar characteristics we've seen, this certainly should leave open

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Speaker 3: the possibility that we could be dealing with something a

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Speaker 3: little different from a comet. Now, others have said, yeah,

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Speaker 3: it is a little weird, but then again, we've never

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Speaker 3: it's going to behave a little differently because it is

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Speaker 2: I haven't read enough to know the answer this, so

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Speaker 2: maybe you do. But are we going to get a

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Speaker 3: So that's another one of the unique things that again

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Speaker 3: George three eye, Aatlys is essentially going to go behind

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Speaker 3: really good images. Those might actually be the best ones

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Speaker 3: although there are other NASA missions, other spacecraft out there

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Speaker 3: when we will spot them and we may have to

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Speaker 3: get back together and talk about this again. Yeah, awesome.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm not surprised to see the general astronomy

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Speaker 2: They think it's just a plain old comet and nothing

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Speaker 2: to see here. It's not exactly a huge surprise. Anything

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Speaker 3: Right, that's true. And you know again, I know we're

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Speaker 3: going to get into the UAP discussion a little later,

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Speaker 3: but I'll just draw a kind of a parallel here.

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Speaker 3: There was a time when astronomers didn't know that rocks

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Speaker 3: we still see people so certain when they say, well,

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Speaker 3: you cannot deny that it is a very very strange common.

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Speaker 2: Seen yeah, it doesn't hurt anyone to keep their minds

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Speaker 2: at least a closer look and maybe some mansers really soon.

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Speaker 2: So second sort of hot topic is the mystery drones

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Speaker 2: drones went on to Norway. Jet fighters were scrambled. No

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Speaker 2: those are pretty nifty drones when you think, oh.

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Speaker 3: I would think so, And in fact, it seems like

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Speaker 3: deja vu all over again after what happened late last year, right,

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Speaker 3: you know, backing up for just a moment, you know,

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Speaker 3: there were also a rash of sightings over US airbases

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Speaker 3: last year, most were looking at this and saying, okay,

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Speaker 3: mostly planes and celestial objects. Now, it is true there

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Speaker 3: were a lot of misidentifications, but George I also had

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Speaker 3: been in contact with military officials at look like Picatinny

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Speaker 3: Arsenal in New Jersey and they said, there are a

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Speaker 3: drone sidings that we saw now that didn't again imply

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Speaker 3: that there was something anomalous per se in those instances.

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Speaker 3: They were simply saying drones. So we're now seeing this

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Speaker 3: same sort of a situation erupt. As you mentioned. In Denmark,

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Speaker 3: now wheeled in the big guns, so to speak, because

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Speaker 3: they've now deployed a brand new what's called the Zena

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Speaker 3: CEE counter Uas radar at Copenhagen Airport. This is a

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Speaker 3: specially designed radar system with high performance three D air

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Speaker 3: surveillance I mean rotor, micro doppler detection, all kinds of

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Speaker 3: different things, and also a full three sixty volume surveillance capability.

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Speaker 3: This system, in other words, is specially designed to detect

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Speaker 3: small light aircraft like these drones. But one of the

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Speaker 3: things that was really concerning about the incidents there ink

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Speaker 3: is and this actually the very words used by Jess

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Speaker 3: Jesperson who's a police inspector looking into this. He said,

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Speaker 3: it seemed like there was a capable actor. They said

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Speaker 3: that whoever was flying these drones, it seemed almost like

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Speaker 3: they were doing tricks, like they were just testing the abilities.

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Speaker 3: They weren't worried about whether people saw them or not.

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Speaker 3: They hoped to be seen and they seemed to be

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Speaker 3: trying to attract attention. So whoever's operating these drones, it's

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Speaker 3: of course possible it's a state actress. Many have pointed

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Speaker 3: that's the case, yet again, this is something that should

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Speaker 3: Now one last point. There are also those who would say, yeah,

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Speaker 3: of these sightings of drones have been confirmed. All I

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Speaker 3: it sounds an awful lot like somebody is playing around

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Speaker 3: with drones over these, you know, these locations. But with

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Speaker 3: that new radar system in place, if there was any

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Speaker 3: doubt before, hopefully in the next few days we will

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Speaker 3: an idea of who's doing this, because it's very concerning

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