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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you should know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's

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Speaker 2: Chuck and Jerry's here too, and really quiet You're on

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Speaker 2: stuff you should know because we're doing an episode on

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Speaker 2: the National Radio Quiet Zone. We're not a radio show,

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Speaker 2: we're a podcast, but we feel in solidarity that we

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Speaker 2: should be quiet.

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Speaker 1: To that's right. And we're not talking about Palm Springs

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Speaker 1: with their oppressive band on outdoor music.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I hadn't heard about that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't play music outside like by your pool.

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Speaker 2: Huh at all?

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Speaker 1: Supposedly at all?

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Speaker 2: Well, I guess it probably just depends on your neighbor.

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Speaker 1: I think they're pretty strict about it. I mean, I've

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Speaker 1: never been to Palm Springs and stayed there. We should

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Speaker 1: ask our friend who lives there. Yeah, because maybe full

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Speaker 1: time residents have a little more leeway. But you know,

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Speaker 1: they do it because people. They don't want people just

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Speaker 1: going and renting houses and just blowing out the neighborhood

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Speaker 1: every weekend.

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Speaker 2: No, this is in Fire Island, guys. No, that we're

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Speaker 2: not talking about Palm Springs, though, I guess is the

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Speaker 2: upshot of that, right.

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Speaker 1: No, we're talking about the opposite of Palm Springs, which

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Speaker 1: is Appalachia.

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Speaker 2: West Virginia. Yeah, is kind of the opposite of Palm Springs,

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Speaker 2: if there is such a thing. I think even if

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Speaker 2: you folded the United States map in half, they would

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Speaker 2: be pretty close to one another. They would smear one another.

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Speaker 1: Someone's going to do that. Yeah, they're going to fold

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Speaker 1: a map up and send us a correction.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they'll be like Josh's way off.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know where they might fold a map up

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Speaker 1: is in the National Radio Quiet Zone because they still

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Speaker 1: use those things.

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Speaker 2: It's a great place to fold a map because yeah,

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Speaker 2: like you said, that's what you need to get around

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Speaker 2: in a lot of cases. Let's just cut to the

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Speaker 2: chase here, Chuck. The National Radio Quiet Zone does not

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Speaker 2: mean you can't play your music like that. They're saying

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Speaker 2: that this is an area where radio emissions of any

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Speaker 2: are heavily regulated, frowned upon, you might even say. And

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Speaker 2: the whole reason they're doing this is to protect the

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Speaker 2: delicate telescopes radio telescopes, Houston radioed astronomy at a specific

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Speaker 2: place called Green Bank, West Virginia. They've established a whole

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Speaker 2: zone around it that's meant to block out or keep

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Speaker 2: out radio transmissions so that the astronomers can go about

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Speaker 2: their business happily.

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Speaker 1: That's right. And to be clear, when you say radio transmissions,

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Speaker 1: you're not talking about Casey Casem's American Top forty, right,

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Speaker 1: because we don't have a time machine and we're not

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Speaker 1: going to exhuom Casey Casem.

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Speaker 2: They still play those likes on some radio stations on

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Speaker 2: Saturday or Sunday. It's a great way to pass some

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Speaker 2: time if you're driving.

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Speaker 1: I've stumbled upon those and it is a nice time

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Speaker 1: capsule for sure. But you're talking about radio waves, and

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Speaker 1: we're gonna explain kind of about what radio astronomy is

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Speaker 1: and all that. In fact, we can go ahead and

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Speaker 1: do that right now, because in nineteen thirty two there

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Speaker 1: was an engineer at Bell Lab's named Karl Janski who

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Speaker 1: noticed some static interfering with some communications going across the pond,

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Speaker 1: as they say, got together with an astronomer over coffee

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Speaker 1: and they said, you know what, I don't think this

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Speaker 1: is interference coming from here on Earth. I think it's

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Speaker 1: coming from out in the Milky Way galaxy. And this

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Speaker 1: was a big deal in nineteen thirty two, They were like,

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Speaker 1: there are literal celestial bodies emitting radioaves out there, and

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Speaker 1: we need to start studying these and measuring these, and

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Speaker 1: we're going to call it radio astronomy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all of a sudden, we didn't just have visible

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Speaker 2: telescopes anymore. We had radio telescopes, which are very similar.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they both are just measuring different parts of

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Speaker 2: the electromagnetic spectrum. That's basically it. But the really amazing

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Speaker 2: just to give you an idea of how sensitive they are,

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Speaker 2: they measure the incoming radio waves that are so weak.

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Speaker 2: They measure them in micro jant skis, which is a point.

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Speaker 2: What a micro jant Ski point?

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Speaker 1: Is it named after Carl?

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Speaker 2: It is named I hope so because that would be

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Speaker 2: one heck of a coincidence. Yeah, it's point. It's zero

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Speaker 2: point thirty two zeros. Wow, this is the watts, by

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Speaker 2: the way, So the electrical energy is so weak, it'so

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Speaker 2: point thirty two zeros of a single watt, right, and

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Speaker 2: I've seen it compared to a snowflake hitting the ground

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Speaker 2: carries a lot more energy than that. So that's how

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Speaker 2: idea of having a quiet zone around a telescope is

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Speaker 2: so vital. Because there's so much noise in modern life.

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Speaker 2: It's just gotten worse and worse and wors. You can

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Speaker 2: find radio interference and everything from bulldozers to power lines,

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Speaker 2: Wi Fi routers, Christmas lights, spark plugs, and cars produce

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Speaker 2: a lot of radio interference. It's everywhere, which means then

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Speaker 2: that if you want to create a quiet zone, you

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Speaker 2: difficult over the years for the National Radio Quiet Zone.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned the less than a Why do they have names?

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Speaker 1: I know there's like megawatts and killowatts and all that stuff, gigawatts.

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Speaker 1: Do they have names for things less than a w

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Speaker 1: or is micro janski?

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Speaker 2: Is a janski is like point twenty six zeros of

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Speaker 2: one single watt?

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Speaker 1: Well, I just meant a sort of a regular interval

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure there's like a milliwat. I know there is.

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Speaker 2: I've heard that word before. I know I was at

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Speaker 2: a mixer of some sort and someone used that word.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I got you. You miss my joke.

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Speaker 2: Oh well I need to hear it. I gotten.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm going I'm gonna let you hear it in

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Speaker 1: QA when you listen to it.

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Speaker 2: So great, I have a future humiliation ahead of No.

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Speaker 1: No, no no. It was very quick and it was

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Speaker 1: a pretty lame set up by me because it was

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Speaker 1: all just for that dumb joke. So you have it,

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Speaker 1: when hester I to look forward to.

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Speaker 2: I can't wait to hear it.

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Speaker 1: Something that you've said though a few times that we

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Speaker 1: want to again just sort of hammer home. You've said,

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Speaker 1: like a lot of noise and you might hear like

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Speaker 1: silence and things like that. Again, it has nothing to

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Speaker 1: do with sound. We're just talking about radio waves, which

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Speaker 1: are you know, they cast a kind of light like

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Speaker 2: No, nor actual visible light radio light. Right, So like

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Speaker 2: what I was saying, it's like radio light pollution is

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Speaker 2: to be a lot easier when they started this whole thing,

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Speaker 2: you said, Karl Jansky made that massive monumental discovery in

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Speaker 2: nineteen thirty two. By nineteen fifty four, the National Science

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Speaker 2: They created the Advisory Panel on Radio Astronomy, and part

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Speaker 2: of what they were discussing was how to create a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I can't imagine if they had were

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Speaker 1: tasked with this today, it'd probably be nearly impossible. They'd

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Speaker 1: But nineteen fifty four, like you said, it was a

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Speaker 1: little bit easier. So for a couple of years they

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Speaker 1: got together over coffee about where they could put this thing.

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Speaker 1: It needed minimal radio noise, obviously, like we talked about,

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Speaker 1: probably a pretty limited population. By the way, thanks for

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Speaker 1: Anna for this when she did a great job on this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she really did.

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Speaker 1: Surrounded by mountains because mountains provide a natural barria for

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Speaker 1: likely be headquartered. So they finally looked around. They settled

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Speaker 1: on the Appalachian Mountains between Virginia and West Virginia. That

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Speaker 1: is part one of solving the problem. Part two was

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Speaker 1: getting funding. Luckily, President Eisenhower was kind of into this,

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Speaker 1: so in nineteen fifty six he asked Congress back when

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Speaker 1: that was a thing, for seven million dollars to fund

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Speaker 1: a radio astronomy center, and Congress said, yeah, let's do it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, everybody was really jazzed about this new radio astronomy stuff. Right.

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Speaker 2: West Virginia was very flattered, and they the state legislature

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Speaker 2: passed the West Virginia Radio Astronomy Zone. So the first

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Speaker 2: thing that was created was the National Radio Quiet Zone

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Speaker 2: and that was actually created before the National Radio Quiet Zone.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they kind of laid the groundwork, I feel like.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they laid a ten mile diameter groundwork around wherever

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Speaker 2: this telescope was going to be built. They said, wherever

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Speaker 2: it where you can't use radio stuff, right, Yeah. And

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Speaker 1: That's right. So that smaller n RQZ, the National Radio

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Speaker 1: In the center of that, you've got a two mile

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Speaker 2: Yeah, at the Green Bank observd to you can't even

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Speaker 1: If you think about Wi Fi there that you're fired.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you fired. If you're lucky, they'll really work you

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Speaker 2: over there. They've got a gang of goons that enforced

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Speaker 2: this with the iron fist. So we talked about how

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Speaker 2: all of this. The quiet zone itself was established. Simultaneously,

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Speaker 2: be in the middle of this quiet zone, and initially

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Speaker 2: it was called the National Radio Astronomy Observatory in that

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Speaker 2: nineteen fifty six, and they started building telescopes, one bigger

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Speaker 2: boring names, but originally, as you might imagine, everybody is

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and again that's specifically the Green Bank, which is

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Speaker 2: rather than they're trying to use the carrot not the stick.

436
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:53,920
Speaker 1: I guess exactly. So if you're listening to your DVDs,

437
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,400
Speaker 1: your CDs, that's fine. You can't stream your music because

438
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:01,360
Speaker 1: there will be an enforcer that comes along to probably

439
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,200
Speaker 1: very kindly ask you. Enforcers not the right word at all,

440
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 1: A nudger that will come along. And that job, for

441
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 1: a very long time, was held by a man named

442
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,639
Speaker 1: Wesley Sizemore, which, by the way, this all spring I

443
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 1: think a banger of a movie idea for me.

444
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:18,719
Speaker 2: Oh good, I can't wait to see it.

445
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 1: You'll never see it, but I'll tell you about it

446
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,159
Speaker 1: one day. Okay, I'll blow the dust off the script

447
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:25,360
Speaker 1: and hand it to you.

448
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 2: You don't know, it could be it could be your

449
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 2: ticket to start them.

450
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 1: Hey, you never know, But Wesley Sizemore did this job

451
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 1: of enforcer. It's a guy who drives around in a

452
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 1: truck or a van equipped with RFI identifying gear and

453
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:43,679
Speaker 1: look for this interference. Sometimes you say hey man, or

454
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 1: they don't say hey man. He goes, hey, mister mister Ronald,

455
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,120
Speaker 1: because he probably knows everybody. Sure, at least in my script,

456
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,199
Speaker 1: he does and says, you know, you gotta you know

457
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,679
Speaker 1: you can't use that microwave. You gotta you gotta unplug

458
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 1: that thing or just give it to me, so it's

459
00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 1: not a temptation. Sometimes he's goes, I can probably work

460
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:08,920
Speaker 1: something out for you that works without interference. Very famously,

461
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 1: he is the guy. I think there was a malfunctioning

462
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:16,199
Speaker 1: electric blanket that was causing some interference, and so he

463
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,199
Speaker 1: went out and got one that worked. And you know,

464
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 1: it's funded by the NRAO. Obviously he's not doing it

465
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 1: out of his pocket, but apparently a lot of people

466
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,200
Speaker 1: in town sort of see him or saw him while

467
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:27,880
Speaker 1: he was doing the job. Is like a free repairman

468
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 1: in town.

469
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, like, yeah, he'd just sit around and wait for

470
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,199
Speaker 2: Chuck Today to come find you and repair.

471
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 1: He's the new guy.

472
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,479
Speaker 2: Oh sorry, yeah, that was Wesley Sizemore. Chuck Today is

473
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,959
Speaker 2: the new guy. You're right, He's been going since twenty eleven.

474
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 2: As far as I can tell, he's still the guy

475
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 2: who does this. I believe he has a background in

476
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 2: electrical engineering and one of the things that like green

477
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 2: Bank does, including Chuck today and working with people who

478
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,199
Speaker 2: like want to put up some sort of radio ten

479
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 2: they'll actually help you design it so that it works

480
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 2: really well, but it doesn't interfere with the telescope.

481
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 1: Like.

482
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,919
Speaker 2: That's the level of coordination and cooperation they're doing ideally.

483
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,120
Speaker 2: And Chuck Naday is one of those guys. He goes

484
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:17,120
Speaker 2: around and finds, you know, who's using Wi Fi routers,

485
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 2: but also kind of his hands on as well, helping

486
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:22,400
Speaker 2: come up with solutions.

487
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 1: Basically, yeah, I don't know if you have your phone,

488
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,919
Speaker 1: but I just texted you a picture of Chuck Nadae

489
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: or Nadai. He looks exactly like you would think. He

490
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 1: looks like like like the dude super friendly that drives

491
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 1: around in this truck full of electric gear looking too

492
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:44,880
Speaker 1: friendly solve problems in a friendly way like Steven. Basically, no, no, no,

493
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 1: not at all. Did I ever tell you about being behind

494
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 1: Steven Sagall's house in.

495
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 2: La No, this one's new.

496
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 1: I think I talked about being in meat Loaf's house

497
00:27:55,480 --> 00:28:00,640
Speaker 1: at one point or another. Yeah, it's a cherry on.

498
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 2: Top called again the land yap on top.

499
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 1: The land yap. On top of that story that I

500
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:06,919
Speaker 1: don't think I ever revealed, or I may have, and

501
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 1: it was years ago, was that Steven Sagall lived behind him.

502
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,719
Speaker 1: And I knew this because when I was jumping on

503
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 1: the trampoline and Meatloaf's backyard, every time I went up,

504
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: I saw these little like Asian pagoda tops that looked

505
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,679
Speaker 1: like little tops of little taj mahaws. And I was like,

506
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 1: what is that? And they were like, that's Sagal's place.

507
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 2: Are you sure that he didn't mean George Sigaal.

508
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:34,360
Speaker 1: Oh, well, this is George Siegeal, but sure that would

509
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 1: have been a twist.

510
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. So did you see Steven Sagal there?

511
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, no, I remember. No matter how

512
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 1: high I jumped, I could not get a picture.

513
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 2: I remember I read there was a GQ profile, I believe,

514
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 2: years and years and years ago about him, and the

515
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 2: title of it was the biggest liar in Hollywood.

516
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 1: Oh jeez. Yeah.

517
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 2: It was not a good guy. It was a viscerating Yeah.

518
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 2: I would I would recommend going and reading it.

519
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll check it out.

520
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, just added to her, should we take a break.

521
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 5: I feel like, yes, okay, all right, we're going to

522
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 5: take a break and we're going to talk about what

523
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 5: they're doing out there.

524
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 3: Right after this, you came along and it was like, yeah,

525
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 3: well we were work pals.

526
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 2: Okay, Chuck. So we were talking about how cell phone

527
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 2: towers and transmitters like that, like GPS transmitters, that kind

528
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 2: of thing, like commercial grade stuff are really the biggest

529
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 2: problem for the telescopes. The reason why, I don't think

530
00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 2: we said the reason why. It's not just interfering.

531
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: Right.

532
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 2: I saw a side by side picture of a radio telescope.

533
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 2: I think of a pulsear U and one of the

534
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 2: same thing, but with a lot of interference, and it's

535
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 2: just like, yeah, it'd be impossible to pick some of

536
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 2: this stuff out. Interference is one problem. Another problem is

537
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 2: is that, remember how sensitive those telescopes are, Their amplifiers

538
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 2: get blown out really easily. There was a in that

539
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 2: article they're talking about Chuck to day helping fashion an

540
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 2: antenna for a smoke alarm, and they were like, if

541
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 2: this smoke alarm went off and it sent this message

542
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 2: out through the antenna, if we didn't make it right,

543
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 2: it would blow the Green Bank telescope, Like it would

544
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 2: blow the amplifier out like, that's all it would take.

545
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 2: So that's really there's a couple of problems with it, right,

546
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 2: But there's also another problem that very few people can

547
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 2: do anything about, and that is from all of the

548
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:58,959
Speaker 2: satellites that are in orbit these days.

549
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, especially the low earth orbit satellites. Not

550
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 1: only are youre going to get visible light pollution, which

551
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: is its own problem with all the telescopes, but radio

552
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 1: interference is a big problem. So what they're doing there, again,

553
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 1: these seem like the greatest bunch of people because they

554
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: don't come at it again with the stick. They're like, hey,

555
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: let's work together to make sure you can do what

556
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: you need to do and we can still do what

557
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: we need to do. So they're working on developing what's

558
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 1: called a National Radio Dynamic Zone, which is a collaborative

559
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 1: initiative basically between the two well not two groups, between

560
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 1: one group and a lot of other groups that have

561
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: these satellites to try and just talk with each other

562
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: better and make sure that they can all, like I said,

563
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: get their jobs done. They don't have a permanent home yet,

564
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: but they're working on it.

565
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're trying to build a research center where satellite

566
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 2: operators can test new technologies that will let satellites work

567
00:31:55,720 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 2: but minimize radio interference. Hopefully they get that up because

568
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:05,719
Speaker 2: there's a huge problem with radio and light pollution from satellites,

569
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 2: and we're just adding more and more and more every year.

570
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. All right. So if you were thinking, guys,

571
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: when are you going to talk about aliens, now's the

572
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: time because we've talked about kind of the things they're

573
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: doing there, and this is one of the things they're

574
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: doing there. One of the very first projects they started

575
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 1: out on years ago was what would be the origins

576
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: of SETI, the search for extraterrestrial intelligence. In nineteen fifty nine,

577
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: the NRAO researcher named Frank Drake launched a study called

578
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: prozac Ozma, so named for one of L. Frankbaum's characters

579
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: in his oz books. He started looking for life out there,

580
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: and while it didn't work initially, that really launched what

581
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: SETI would become.

582
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, Frank Drake, we've talked about him plenty of times.

583
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 2: He came up with the Drake equation, which is a

584
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,080
Speaker 2: really interesting formula for trying to figure out how how

585
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 2: many intelligent civilizations might be in the universe. He's the

586
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 2: guy who came up with that, and green Bank is

587
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 2: the place where he came up with it because he

588
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 2: was working there. And he also hosted a pretty pretty

589
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 2: rock and party, a rock and party that featured Carl Sagan,

590
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 2: a guy named Melvin Calvin who's a biochemist John Lilly,

591
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 2: who he talked about the whacked out dolphin researcher used

592
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 2: to give acid to dolphins. Yeah, and they so Frank

593
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 2: Drake came up with the Drake equation as basically the

594
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 2: agenda for this conference, and then they kind of hashed

595
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 2: it out and they very famously calculated that there's at

596
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 2: least ten thousand advanced intelligent alien civilizations just in the

597
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 2: Milky Way galaxy. If you don't know about the Drake equation,

598
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 2: go look it up. It'll open up a whole world

599
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 2: of interesting stuff with you. But the upshot is is,

600
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 2: like you said, this still continues today because this research

601
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 2: at green Bank, essentially thanks to Frank and others, gave

602
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 2: birth to the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligencer SETI, and SETI

603
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 2: is still performed at the Green Bank Telescope to this day.

604
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 1: Has the Rapper Drake ever put out a song or

605
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: album called The Drake Equation.

606
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:17,839
Speaker 2: No, but I'm glad you I don't know.

607
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 1: He may have, he should have. If he hasn't, it

608
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 1: seems like a no brainer.

609
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 2: I'm glad you brought that up, though, because i'd heard

610
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 2: of the Quiet Zone before, I didn't know much about it.

611
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 2: But the thing that prompted this episode is one of

612
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:33,760
Speaker 2: our listeners, a guy named Andrew Phelps. He's a photographer

613
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 2: and with another photographer named Paul Kransler, they went to

614
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 2: the quiet Zone around Green Bank and took like they

615
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 2: basically made a photo documentary of life in the area.

616
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 2: Oh cool, And they named their book Drake Equation and

617
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,839
Speaker 2: they sent us a copy. So hats off for those

618
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 2: guys for the book, for making the book and sending

619
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 2: it to us.

620
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:57,839
Speaker 1: I thought you were talking about someone else at first,

621
00:34:57,880 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 1: because I wish I could remember his name. I follow

622
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 1: him on Instagram. Now there's a listener that is an

623
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: astro or astral photographer, where basically he's I don't know

624
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 1: where he goes to get these pictures. It's obviously in

625
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: another quiet zones of the world, or at least dark

626
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 1: places you know, and gets and it's not just like

627
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,879
Speaker 1: he sets up a nice camera and does a long

628
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: exposure like it's really sophisticated equipment and process that he

629
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,839
Speaker 1: goes through to get stuff that looks like it doesn't

630
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 1: look real. It's like, you know, celestial bodies that like

631
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: it looks like some AI generated art. It's incredible stuff.

632
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 2: I think if it was an astral photographer, he'd be

633
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 2: taking pictures of like auras.

634
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 1: Or Yeah, I.

635
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 2: Tell him to make sure you figure out that guy's name.

636
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 1: I will, and I'll follow up on an episode. I'll

637
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: see if I can find it. It's really really impressive,

638
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 1: super cool and very just a super cool, hyper specific

639
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:01,399
Speaker 1: art form. I think.

640
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 3: You know.

641
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, or people, if you can't wait, they can go

642
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 2: to you chuck the podcast or on Instagram and look

643
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 2: at who you follow and figure it out.

644
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, thank you. I followed Josh M Clark do

645
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: you of course I do.

646
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 2: I follow you too?

647
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

648
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 2: Thanks?

649
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: Are you just now realizing that, yeah, well you don't

650
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 1: post much?

651
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 2: No, I really don't. I got treat you. I want

652
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 2: to say I shit more, but I shouldn't. It just fine.

653
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:29,879
Speaker 1: I think you're doing just great.

654
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 2: Well, you do great too.

655
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 1: Hey. You know who also does great? Jerry?

656
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 2: She does do great, doesn't she? All right?

657
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: We're okay. We were talking about things that go on there,

658
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: SETI Another thing that might not surprise you is military

659
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: intelligence goes on there. Many years ago, they started something

660
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: called the Sugar Grove Research Station that at the time

661
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: called the sugar Grove US Naval Radio Station. This is

662
00:36:56,120 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: a nineteen fifty nine when the Navy started building what

663
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 1: was going to be the world's largest radio antenna. It

664
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 1: was called the Big Ear where they were going to

665
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: listen in and intercept, you know, Russian intel. They never

666
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: finished the Big Ear because they were worried it was

667
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 1: not structurally sound. So rather than moving on to the

668
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,399
Speaker 1: Medium Ear, I guess they didn't think it sounded cool enough,

669
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 1: they just scrapped it all together. But they still have

670
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:27,359
Speaker 1: a station at Sugar Grove, and the NSA is also there,

671
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 1: so I'm sure it's all on the up and up

672
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 1: as so far as who and what they're listening to.

673
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 2: Well, actually I saw, actually, Chuck, I saw that the

674
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 2: NSA abandoned Sugar Grove.

675
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,439
Speaker 1: Oh, they're not there in like the last year, okay.

676
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:46,320
Speaker 2: And it's for sale. You can buy the whole dang town,

677
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 2: the which has like a number of houses it has

678
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 2: like a recycling planet has everything also much just I

679
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 2: think the the highest bid recently was like eleven point

680
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 2: six million dollars, and I guess it was a joke

681
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,919
Speaker 2: because they couldn't come through with it. So I think

682
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 2: if you come up with eleven million dollars, they'd be

683
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 2: happy to take it, and you could probably get it

684
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 2: for less.

685
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: Wow. I mean, considering what Kim Basinger paid for Brazlton,

686
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,359
Speaker 1: Georgia in the eighties or nineties, how.

687
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 2: Much was it? Do you remember?

688
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 1: It was a lot? Was it? I think so? But

689
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 1: I mean that was she bought a town.

690
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 2: I remember. Does she still own it?

691
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: No, she got out of the Braselton business.

692
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 2: She had the market corner for a minute, though.

693
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: I usually don't look these things up. Guess what the

694
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,800
Speaker 1: aioverview talks about the average home sale price?

695
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:39,320
Speaker 2: Oh wow, how surprising.

696
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and home is misspelled. I'll find it at some point.

697
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,919
Speaker 2: You can continue, Okay, So there's also been a bunch

698
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 2: of great scientific discoveries there, as you can imagine.

699
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 1: Twenty million dollars in nineteen eighty nine.

700
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 2: Do you know how much she sold the town for?

701
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 1: No? No, I'm not gonna look that up either. Some

702
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 1: things have to be left at the imagination.

703
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 2: I think that's great, Chuck. Plus the AI overview just

704
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 2: shrugged a shrug. Emogium.

705
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 1: All right, I interrupted. You were talking about scientific discoveries.

706
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we're talking radio astronomy. So there's stuff like

707
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 2: interstellar molecules. Some of the first ones were discovered. I

708
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 2: think half of the interstellar molecules we know about were

709
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 2: discovered in the sixties at Green Bank, like pictures of pulsars,

710
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 2: and we understand the universe a lot more thanks to it.

711
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 2: But they're also really arcane, I guess, discoveries that seemed

712
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 2: like they were just like total, like they would only

713
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 2: interest like two people. For example, the z it was

714
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 2: the first detection of Zeman splitting. Zeman splitting is where

715
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 2: spectral lines, you know, those black bands like on the

716
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,760
Speaker 2: on the spectrum, just kind of pop up the spectral

717
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 2: lines they split in the presence of a magnetic field.

718
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:04,760
Speaker 2: That was discovered at Green Bank Observatory. And you might say, like, great,

719
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,919
Speaker 2: who cares, But this is just one of those things

720
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,720
Speaker 2: that shows you how science builds on science. This actually

721
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 2: confirmed quantum theory for the first time because it showed

722
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 2: that electrons respond to magnetic fields, and it proved a

723
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 2: lot of like the math that had been proposed for

724
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 2: quantum theory but hadn't been confirmed yet. That discovery at

725
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 2: Green Bank Observatory confirmed it. That's just one of a

726
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 2: number of incomprehensible discoveries that were made there. So it

727
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 2: is important. This isn't just a group of astronomers who

728
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 2: want their cake. They're just fat little bully boys or

729
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 2: anything like that. They are actual, like important. There was

730
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 2: important work being carried out because this is such a

731
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:48,760
Speaker 2: unique place.

732
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: Oh man, the mental picture was astoundings that just came

733
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 1: over me, all right. So we mentioned earlier on people

734
00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:01,320
Speaker 1: that moved there that suffer from what's called electro magnetic hypersensitivity.

735
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: This may be where you have read about it or

736
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 1: seen news reports because there's a woman named Diane Shall

737
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,839
Speaker 1: I guess s h o W who has been there

738
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: for a long time, and she's she's basically the most

739
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 1: kind of the foremost sufferer of EHS. She moved to

740
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 1: the NRCUSE a while ago, got fourteen acres near Green Bank,

741
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 1: founded the Wave Analysis Verification Research not a ciner just so,

742
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: I guess so. But it's a nonprofit and basically she

743
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 1: she went there to live more healthily for her own

744
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 1: needs and to also do research on the disease and

745
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: also help bring people in and educate and care for

746
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 1: people with the disease. And the idea is that people

747
00:41:55,320 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 1: are super sensitive obviously to electromagnetic ways and they feel

748
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: like it gets them sick, headaches, nausea, dizziness, chest pain,

749
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 1: hair loss, and I say feels like because it's never

750
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: been proven that this is a real thing.

751
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 2: Right now, one of the things that really undermines the

752
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:19,839
Speaker 2: concept of electromagnetic hypersensitivity is an actual medical condition is

753
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 2: that people who suffer from it can't reliably tell when

754
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:28,879
Speaker 2: they're in the presence of electromagnetic frequencies. Right They've been

755
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,479
Speaker 2: given tests and tests and tests where they are being

756
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 2: bombarded with an electromagnetic pulse, and next they say that

757
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 2: they are and they're they're not actually being bombarded with it,

758
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 2: and they can't say, like, yes, now I'm being exposed

759
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 2: to electromagnetic radiation, now I'm not. So that alone makes

760
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 2: it seem like it's simply a psychological disorder y or

761
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 2: no cebo effect that people are being like their symptoms

762
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,720
Speaker 2: are real, like they're losing their hair. They're not pulling

763
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 2: it out in secret and saying I lost my hair

764
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:07,320
Speaker 2: because of this. Their symptoms are real. What's causing it

765
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 2: seems to just be in their mind. I say that though,

766
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 2: with the kernel of salt, grain of salt, because there

767
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 2: have been diseases before that were treated like this initially

768
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 2: and it turned out like, no, these people were just

769
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,919
Speaker 2: a group of mistreated sufferers who actually were suffering from

770
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:30,240
Speaker 2: something that's now recognized. So it's possible that's the case.

771
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 2: And even if that's not the case, these people actually

772
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 2: are suffering, So the World Health Organization recognizes it as

773
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 2: a medical condition, but a medical condition that warrants further

774
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 2: study figure out what the heck's going on and how

775
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 2: to actually help people who suffer from this, regardless of

776
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 2: what the cause is.

777
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, And if either way, in either case,

778
00:43:56,760 --> 00:44:01,879
Speaker 1: it's really great that Diane Shaw and whoever has met

779
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 1: her and followed her there have a place to go

780
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: where it is quiet for them, you know.

781
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, And if you're like this kind of sounds familiar.

782
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 2: Lenny from Laverne and Shirley on Better Call Saul. He

783
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 2: suffered from electromagnetic hypersensitivity.

784
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 1: I did not see that show. It's still on the

785
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: long list. But I thought you were going to say

786
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: Julian Moore and the Todd Haynes film Safe, But that

787
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 1: was a little different. I think that was and I

788
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 1: don't know the name for it, but the people that

789
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: think it's like everything's dirty and everything is going to

790
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 1: get them sick. Hypochondria, No, but more of I mean,

791
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's maybe a subset of hypochondria, but it's

792
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,800
Speaker 1: like everything is dirty, everything I touch will get me sick.

793
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: Everything there's everything's tainted and dangerous and germy.

794
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:59,359
Speaker 2: I mean, that's just normal for me, right, No, to.

795
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 1: The point where they can't function in the world.

796
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't mean to make light of it.

797
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 1: No, I know. I know what you mean though, but

798
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 1: you're the whole journeys.

799
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 2: The whole thing reminds me of our episode from twenty

800
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 2: fourteen about Morgelon's disease.

801
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: Remember that, Oh yeah, what was that again.

802
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 2: It's where people, I think, think they're suffering from something

803
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 2: that comes out of their skin, and when they bring

804
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 2: samples of what they think is like this evidence that

805
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 2: they're sick, it turns out to be like lint or

806
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 2: thread from a code or just the smallest, weirdest stuff. Yeah,

807
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,359
Speaker 2: and they're like, this doesn't exist, guys, And I don't

808
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 2: know where it left off, but it was really.

809
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 1: Interesting, that's right, and a nice way to remind people

810
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 1: that Morglon's disease is and from the old vault, and

811
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 1: there are lots and lots of episodes in the vault

812
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: that you probably don't even know about unless you've been

813
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:49,720
Speaker 1: listening for SIS seventeen years.

814
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 2: Sure, coming up on eighteen, that's right in April. So

815
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:58,839
Speaker 2: what's going on with the National Radio Quiet Zone, Chuck?

816
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 1: It's still that's still putting along, you know. They're still

817
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:06,399
Speaker 1: trying to work it out with the satellites in orbit

818
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 1: near them. They're still trying to work it out with

819
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 1: the residents, and they're keeping on keeping on.

820
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 2: There were two things that happened recently, well one not

821
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 2: too recently, but one very recently. The National Science Foundation

822
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 2: turned the Green Bank Observatory out, said we're done with you. Oh,

823
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 2: and it looked like the end of it. I think

824
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 2: back in like twenty twelve, it looked like the end

825
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 2: of the observatory. And instead everybody who worked there banded

826
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:34,800
Speaker 2: together and looks for private funding, and now it's privately funded.

827
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 1: Oh that's cool.

828
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 2: The other thing that happened is that they seem to

829
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:43,320
Speaker 2: have figured out how to address the Wi Fi issue

830
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 2: for everybody, and that was starlink, the basically global Internet.

831
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:55,720
Speaker 2: They figured out that if you use fixed starlink where

832
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 2: like you're just using it in your house, you're not

833
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 2: moving around using it, it does disrupt the function of

834
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 2: the radio telescope. The problem is if you use like

835
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 2: the moving around the mobile version to where like it's

836
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 2: you're getting signals, say like on your phone while you're driving,

837
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 2: that messes with the telescope. So for ninety five point

838
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 2: five percent of the population around Green Bank, their their

839
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 2: problem is solved because they can use the fixed starlink.

840
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 2: For that other point five percent, though, it's a big

841
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 2: problem because emergency medical services wanted to use starlink to

842
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 2: communicate with each other to respond to emergencies, and now

843
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,280
Speaker 2: they're like, we can't use radios, we can't use starlink,

844
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 2: what are we gonna do? And that's kind of where

845
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 2: it stands right now. There's a there at an impasse

846
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:45,399
Speaker 2: trying to figure out how to let ems do its thing.

847
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, and again as of just August of last

848
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 1: years when they were allowed the Wi Fi. But I

849
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: don't think we said the speed at a robust two

850
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:53,280
Speaker 1: point four.

851
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:55,359
Speaker 2: What is it?

852
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:57,280
Speaker 1: I don't even know what it is that that slow

853
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 1: mega something gigaherts, gigaherts.

854
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 2: And I think the reason why they allowed that is

855
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 2: I read that because there's so many Wi Fi routers

856
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 2: operating on two point four now that that band of

857
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 2: the radio universe is just it's just trash. Now. You

858
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 2: can't do astronomy on it anyway, So I think.

859
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: They were extrata on it.

860
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 2: No, you can't, don't even try. Yeah, you got anything else?

861
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: I got nothing else?

862
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 2: Okay, I think then everybody that means it's time for

863
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 2: listener mail.

864
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 1: This sort of ties in a little bit. It's about

865
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 1: the AM radio episode because we mentioned it was an

866
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 1: important alert system still and this happened to Hannah from

867
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 1: Texas in twenty sixteen. When Hannah lived in Denham Springs, Louisiana,

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Speaker 1: it was hit by a terrible flood that knocked out

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Speaker 1: cell phone communications. So it was like Green Bank for

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Speaker 1: a short time. Guys. We still had enough Internet to

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Speaker 1: receive information, but couldn't send anything, so we had gotten

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Speaker 1: word that we could tune into a specific AM radio

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Speaker 1: station each evening between a certain time to hear families

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Speaker 1: who were calling and asking if our loved ones were okay.

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Speaker 1: My partner at the time and I would go out

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Speaker 1: to my car, turn on the radio and listen, and

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Speaker 1: every evening we got updates on who was looking for who,

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Speaker 1: who was on the way to help us or not,

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Speaker 1: and who had been marked as safe. Sure enough, a

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Speaker 1: couple of days in we heard my mom calling in

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Speaker 1: to try and confirm that her baby girl me was okay.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: We also got word that my dad, who was part

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Speaker 1: of the Cajun Navy at the time, haven't even looked

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Speaker 1: that up yet, but that's I absolutely need to find

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Speaker 1: out what that is.

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Speaker 2: I guarantee it's interesting.

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Speaker 1: Nice we would be that they would be headed our

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Speaker 1: way if they didn't get word. With the next couple

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Speaker 1: of days, we were able to through a long chain

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Speaker 1: of communication though, to let my family know we were okay,

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Speaker 1: and we heard our own names marked as alive and well,

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Speaker 1: which was surreal on the AM radio, and a few

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Speaker 1: days later we were able to coordinate our evacuation using

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Speaker 1: that same am radio station. Wow, I know it's pretty great.

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Speaker 1: I've been listening to you guys for years, and you

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Speaker 1: never cease to delight me with your jokes, references, and

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Speaker 1: general information. I recommend you to everyone I meet. Much appreciated. Hannah,

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Speaker 1: and I frequently cite your episodes when sharing fun facts

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Speaker 1: with coworkers and friends. Hannah from Texas.

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Speaker 2: Man, Hannah, thank you. I'm glad you guys are okay

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Speaker 2: over there, and that was an amazing email. That was

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Speaker 2: one of the tops. Hannah. Agree, can get a sash

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Speaker 2: that says as much. If you want to be like

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Speaker 2: Anna and send us a top email, we would love

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Speaker 2: to get that. You can send it off to us

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Speaker 2: at stuff podcast at iHeartRadio dot com.

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