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Speaker 2: my first guest. It is always a highlight of the

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Speaker 2: season to visit with the great Greg Cosel from NFL

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Speaker 2: Films and the ESPN Matchup Show. Greg, Let's start with

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Speaker 2: Jamar Chase, who's having a phenomenal season. When you watch

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Speaker 2: him play this year and the way the Bengals are

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Speaker 2: using him, what stands out to you.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think a number of things. I think he

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Speaker 3: lines up in multiple locations within the formation, and I

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Speaker 3: always think that's really important for a receiver, particularly when

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Speaker 3: you get the third downs, because obviously defenses are looking

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Speaker 3: at times bracket double whatever they choose to do. And

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Speaker 3: because te Higgins hasn't played all season, that would be

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Speaker 3: often the case this year that I would notice on film.

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Speaker 3: So you want to move him around, you want to

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Speaker 3: use motion. They're not one of the top four or

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Speaker 3: it and they do a really nice job with it

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Speaker 3: to create opportunities for Chase, not only with his motion

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Speaker 3: in particular, with opportunities. Obviously, if it's man, he can

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Speaker 3: know you set that up, it's one on one. He's

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Speaker 3: phenomenal on after cat things like that. But overall, I'd

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Speaker 3: so you know from doing the games that when Joe

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Speaker 2: And throwing it exactly where he wants to throw it.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about the year that Joe is having. Leads

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you what really stands out. Look, you know,

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Speaker 3: never seems hurry. He never seems for Netik. He always

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Speaker 3: He's done that this year. I don't chart it, but

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Speaker 2: Let's move to Chase Brown. He's got six straight games

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he fits really well in what they

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Speaker 3: I think he fits in the sense that he's a determined, urgent,

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Speaker 2: We are chatting with a great Greg co Cell. We

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Speaker 2: saw each other at the combine and discussed the Marius

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Speaker 2: as a rookie in your opinion?

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Speaker 3: I think through a good part of the season he

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Speaker 3: People might think, oh, Tennessee's a bad team, but those

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Speaker 3: don't know if that's experience, but I think he's over

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Speaker 1: But I think he's improved over time.

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Speaker 2: The Bengals have a couple of guys that I thought

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Speaker 1: What did you think of those two?

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Speaker 3: he's got the movement, you know, and obviously at corner

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Speaker 3: In the past game, he can run the seam, he

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Speaker 3: I'm real anxious to see where his career goes. You know,

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Speaker 3: he'll be there next year obviously, you know, so many

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Speaker 3: But I think he has a chance to be you know,

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Speaker 3: I don't want to sit here and say volume receivers

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Speaker 3: I think that he's He's a really good prospect who

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Speaker 2: What do you consider to be some of the biggest

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Speaker 3: I think two things stand out to me. Lack of

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Speaker 3: a really good player, but they don't really get a

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Speaker 3: ton of pressure on the quarterback they have an all season,

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Speaker 3: and that changes everything about your defense. If you can't

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Speaker 3: And I think the corner position has been up and down,

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Speaker 3: two worse combinations than that right there. Inability to pressure

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Speaker 3: That you have to make sure you keep him in

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Speaker 2: Greg, this is always a treat for me. I really

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Speaker 2: As Greg mentioned when I asked him about the Bengals defense,

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Speaker 2: this year. Prior to this season. From a technical standpoint,

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Speaker 4: Yes, his concepts and.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't matter.

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Speaker 4: I a good game.

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Speaker 2: Two picks in the last three weeks ago, get another

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Speaker 4: And I can't wait. I need it what it's worth.

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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow's sideline rant. Near the end of last week's

437
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Speaker 2: win over Tennessee. With a victory in hand, Joe let

438
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Speaker 2: loose with a profanity laced tirade to head coach Zach

439
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Speaker 2: Taylor about the four turnovers and fourteen penalties that the

440
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Speaker 2: Bengals got away with. The two of them discussed it

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Speaker 2: with reporters on Wednesday.

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Speaker 7: He was just trying to tell me to be happy

443
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Speaker 7: with the win. And I appreciate that about him because

444
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Speaker 7: I can get lost, and just like everybody can, you

445
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Speaker 7: get lost in the adversity of the season. You get

446
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Speaker 7: you can't take winning for granted. And I've tried to

447
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Speaker 7: get better at that, and you know, Zach tries to

448
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Speaker 7: help me get better at that shape that about him,

449
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Speaker 7: and it's tough for me sometimes I can probably do

450
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Speaker 7: a better job of keeping my emotions in checking that situation.

451
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Speaker 7: Like I said, it wasn't directed it. Zacher was just

452
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Speaker 7: a frustrating It's just a display of frustration of the

453
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Speaker 7: day that I had, that we had as an offense

454
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Speaker 7: and how sloppy it was. And you know, we've had

455
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Speaker 7: those discussions in house and talked about what needs to

456
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Speaker 7: be better and what was great too.

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Speaker 8: He's got an edge to him that is what makes

458
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Speaker 8: him who he is and I don't want to change

459
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Speaker 8: that for one second because who he is and what

460
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Speaker 8: makes him tick is what makes Joe Burrow different from

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Speaker 8: everybody else in this planet.

462
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Speaker 4: And so.

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Speaker 8: You know, we're together a lot more than any member

464
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Speaker 8: of my family. And so again it's I love working

465
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Speaker 8: with him every single day.

466
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Speaker 4: Love the edge. It's about him.

467
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Speaker 8: It's not always perfect between us when we're out there

468
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Speaker 8: dealing with moments, but that's part of the competitive fire

469
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Speaker 8: that he's got that I love and wouldn't change a

470
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Speaker 8: thing about him. And anytime something flares up, we move

471
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Speaker 8: on and we're quick capass it. But that's when you've

472
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Speaker 8: got a great player who man winning and doing it

473
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Speaker 8: the right way is the most important thing to him.

474
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Speaker 8: That's the best thing you can have from a leader

475
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Speaker 8: in your football team that doesn't accept anything that's below

476
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Speaker 8: standard at any moment from anybody. And and you know

477
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Speaker 8: you're begging. There's teams around the league begging for someone

478
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Speaker 8: to have that standard, and we've got it, and so

479
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Speaker 8: you've got to embrace that and keep letting him and

480
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Speaker 8: lead the way for us.

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Speaker 2: Just last week, Burrow referred to his relationship with coach

482
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Speaker 2: Taylor and the Bengals offensive staff as a quote match

483
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Speaker 2: made in heaven, but many people interpreted Joe's visible frustration

484
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Speaker 2: last Sunday as a sign of friction between quarterback and coach. Furthermore,

485
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Speaker 2: I've seen a ton of fans on social media say

486
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Speaker 2: that Burrow's fiery side is a fit with his coaches

487
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Speaker 2: calm demeanor. I asked coach Taylor about that this week.

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Speaker 8: I can't tell people what to think about what they

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Speaker 8: see from my demeanor. I know why I act the

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Speaker 8: way I act. It's the only way I know how

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Speaker 8: to be. In certain moments, I act certain ways, But

492
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Speaker 8: during a game, the only way I know how to

493
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Speaker 8: lead is through calm and try to try to it's

494
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Speaker 8: for myself sometimes as a play caller and managing a

495
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Speaker 8: team and trying to get the message across, but that's

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Speaker 8: all I know how to do. So if I try

497
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Speaker 8: to change my demeanor for what I think people want

498
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Speaker 8: to see from me or a head coach, then I'm

499
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Speaker 8: gonna fail because that's just not what's gotten me here

500
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Speaker 8: at this point in my life. And part of my

501
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Speaker 8: journey is just just doing it the way that I've

502
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Speaker 8: done it and proud of the way that you know,

503
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Speaker 8: I've done it here for six years the way that

504
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Speaker 8: I wanted to do it. And we've had success, we've

505
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Speaker 8: had tough times, and I'm going to continue just to

506
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Speaker 8: be me. And that would be my message to everybody.

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Speaker 8: You know, don't change who you are. Everyone on our team.

508
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Speaker 8: You know, there's moments where we can interpret things differently,

509
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Speaker 8: but you gotta be true to who you are and

510
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Speaker 8: will always work through it. And I think that's what's

511
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Speaker 8: been so great about our coaching staff is we got

512
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Speaker 8: a lot of really good people that know how to

513
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Speaker 8: manage the players, know how to manage each other, know

514
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Speaker 8: who they are. They're confident in themselves as a man

515
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Speaker 8: and as a coach, and it's a lot of us

516
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Speaker 8: to weather a lot of stuff.

517
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Speaker 2: You know who else had a calm sideline demeanor, Paul Brown.

518
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Speaker 2: You can certainly second guess Zach on his coaching decisions.

519
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Speaker 2: That's fair game. But the idea that he has to

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Speaker 2: yell and scream in order to motivate professional athletes seem

521
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Speaker 2: silly to me. Now time for this week's Know the

522
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Speaker 2: Faux segment. After winning eleven games and going to the

523
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Speaker 2: playoffs last year, the Cleveland Browns have lost eleven games

524
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Speaker 2: so far this year with three games to go. The

525
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Speaker 2: big trade for Deshaun Watson has proven to be a disaster,

526
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Speaker 2: and Zach Jackson, who covers the team for the Athletic

527
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Speaker 2: says it's time for major changes. He joined Dave Lapham

528
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Speaker 2: and me on the Bengals game plan show the.

529
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Speaker 9: Front office has wrecked the ship. It just has, and

530
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Speaker 9: Deshaun Watson is a huge part of that. He's not

531
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Speaker 9: the only disappointing player this season. He's not the only

532
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Speaker 9: bad contract going forward with There a lot of so

533
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Speaker 9: there's no easy fix. There's no sense in putting blame,

534
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Speaker 9: although that's what we do. It's going to take a

535
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Speaker 9: multi level look at where they are this this current

536
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:31,120
Speaker 9: blow up will have Miles Garrett and Denzel Ward, which

537
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Speaker 9: current versions didn't have. This was not supposed to be

538
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Speaker 9: this way, but it's an aging offensive line. It's absolutely

539
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:42,159
Speaker 9: zero at the quarterback position. There's questions at premium positions

540
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Speaker 9: like left tackle, lionbacker, running back. You know, I don't

541
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Speaker 9: know what Nick Chubb's future is, so yeah, I just

542
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Speaker 9: don't think you could possibly let this front office make

543
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Speaker 9: this round of decisions. But this ownership group is capable

544
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Speaker 9: of a lot, so we will see what happens. I'm

545
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Speaker 9: not making any proclema other than man, this is this

546
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Speaker 9: is really bad.

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Speaker 6: You know, it's quite amazing, Zach. I look at I

548
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Speaker 6: look at this roster and the personnel. Granted quarterback, you know,

549
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Speaker 6: it hasn't happened at the quarterback position. Huge misses there,

550
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Speaker 6: but athleticism in speed. I mean, I'm looking at you know,

551
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Speaker 6: a guy like Miles Garrett, short space quickness, athletic as

552
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Speaker 6: anybody can run. I'm looking at you know, linebackers, at

553
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Speaker 6: least one of them can run at the in the

554
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Speaker 6: back end, a lot of guys can run. Judy can run.

555
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Speaker 6: You got a tight end when healthy that can run

556
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Speaker 6: in Juco. I mean, there's there's talent on this football team.

557
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Speaker 6: There's as much athleticism and speed in a lot of areas.

558
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Speaker 6: A lot of pieces on this football team is most

559
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Speaker 6: a lot of teams in the National Football League. But

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Speaker 6: I mean the quarterback play is everybody knows has been

561
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Speaker 6: I mean Horrific's probably not strong enough.

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Speaker 9: I guess, yeah, that's right. I mean, in less than

563
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Speaker 9: seven starts, they didn't reach two hundred yards passing twenty points, right,

564
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Speaker 9: and maybe a little bit would have been different even

565
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Speaker 9: if you just steel one of those wins. But this

566
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 9: was not a good enough scene, you know, And they

567
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Speaker 9: got older in the offseason preparing for this, like until

568
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Speaker 9: they had to ship off Amari Cooper and Zadarias Smith.

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Speaker 9: This was the most expensive roster in NFL history that

570
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Speaker 9: was by design, like this was the all in year.

571
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Speaker 9: So when you miss on the all in year, their

572
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Speaker 9: consequences and there's a bunch of dead money comes up.

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Speaker 9: Jerry Judy has been a completely different player in recent weeks.

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Speaker 9: There are some promising young guys. A lot of them

575
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Speaker 9: aren't healthy right now, which is part of the problem,

576
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Speaker 9: but that's why they are where they are. They're going

577
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Speaker 9: to just let the third string quarterback play see what

578
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Speaker 9: they can get. They're going to let some other young

579
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Speaker 9: guys play a linebacker at safety and try to salvage

580
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Speaker 9: something out of this season because it's just been wholly disappointed.

581
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Speaker 2: Zach Jackson covers the Browns for The Athletic. He can

582
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Speaker 2: follow him on ex at Akron Jackson. Let's talk about

583
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Speaker 2: the quarterback change this week. Dorian Thompson Robinson is in,

584
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Speaker 2: Jameis Winston is out. I kind of interpret that as

585
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Speaker 2: it's the right thing to do because you need to

586
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Speaker 2: know what you've got in DTR, but not necessarily the

587
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 2: thing that gives the Browns the best chance to win.

588
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Speaker 4: Do you feel the same.

589
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Speaker 9: Way, Yeah, I think that's a fair interpretation. I mean,

590
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,880
Speaker 9: it was time, you know, and Jamis, who can still

591
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 9: throw a beautiful ball and does throw beautiful ball. Sometimes

592
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Speaker 9: he's just thrown too many to the other and he

593
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Speaker 9: doesn't have a contract for next year. Dtr is under

594
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Speaker 9: contract for two years. You have to let him play.

595
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Speaker 9: He's a great kid. He's a backup quarterback, right you

596
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,120
Speaker 9: drafted him to be a backup quarterback. So he will

597
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Speaker 9: come in the game. He will be prepared, he will

598
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Speaker 9: bring some mobility, will bring obviously a different look. He's

599
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Speaker 9: not going to shuck it down the field like Jamis.

600
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Speaker 9: They're just praying he doesn't shuck it right to the

601
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Speaker 9: other team like Jamis does. So he's not been real

602
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 9: good at that either. But they're hoping with the preparation

603
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Speaker 9: and the emphasis on just don't turn it over, that

604
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Speaker 9: it'll be safer. And as you know, the Bengals defense

605
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 9: has been a little leaky. So you know, I expect

606
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Speaker 9: Dorian to give a fair rep presentation of himself. I

607
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 9: expect the Browns to give a fair representation of themselves.

608
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Speaker 9: But what they've put out there in many areas has

609
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Speaker 9: just been not consistently good. And then obviously the lack

610
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Speaker 9: of production from the quarterback position in the offense has

611
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Speaker 9: sunk them here. I mean the last two games, guys,

612
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Speaker 9: the defense has got three and outs on four of

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Speaker 9: the first five possessions. Like they're showing up prepared, they're

614
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Speaker 9: showing up inspired, trying to win the field position game,

615
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 9: trying to create some energy, and then one bad thing happens,

616
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Speaker 9: one penalty, one turnover, and the damn breaks quickly.

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Speaker 6: So I guess a follow up question that that would be,

618
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Speaker 6: is their finger pointing going on? I mean, is there?

619
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Speaker 6: And not necessarily are they going to do it publicly?

620
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Speaker 6: But people that are in the know, like you that

621
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Speaker 6: cover the team on a daily basis, you know, and

622
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 6: other people have you noticed, you know, defense saying, man,

623
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Speaker 6: if the offense would just give us something, I mean,

624
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 6: we're playing a lot of us to win some football

625
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Speaker 6: games here. Is there any of that going on?

626
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Speaker 9: There is lap, But the truth is, I mean, the

627
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Speaker 9: easiest way to point the fingers to the guy that's

628
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 9: no longer there to Sean, right, and so it's never

629
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Speaker 9: one person, one thing good or bad. Right, But yeah,

630
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Speaker 9: it's just been miserable. They've lost three straight. They've turned

631
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Speaker 9: it over. James had multiple interceptions and all three of

632
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Speaker 9: those they had their high moment, they beat the Steelers

633
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Speaker 9: in the snow. Jerry Judy taking this leap from I

634
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 9: think he was like one hundred and fifth in the

635
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Speaker 9: NFL and receiving in mid October, and a few weeks

636
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 9: ago they left Enver, he was about five right, So

637
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Speaker 9: that is one of the few positives. But other than that,

638
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 9: if you're playing out the string, and then eventually you

639
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 9: got to make a string of decisions on who's making

640
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 9: the calls, which contracts you want to continue to invest in,

641
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 9: and which ones you need to say, Hey, we're probably

642
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 9: at least a year away from being a competitive team

643
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Speaker 9: in the hell of a competitive division.

644
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Speaker 2: For years, the offensive line was tremendous. Did it just

645
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 2: get old? What happened?

646
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Speaker 9: Well, Watson was holding the ball to me, that's for sure.

647
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 9: But they've had a rotating cast of characters in both tackles.

648
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 9: Now Conkland has come back and solidified right tackle, but

649
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 9: they've really had a carousel at left tackle. They have

650
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 9: guys who are getting old and make a bunch of money,

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Speaker 9: but they've played better and those guys have been durable.

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Speaker 9: I mean, Buttonio might be in the Hall of Fame someday.

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Speaker 9: Why Teller might go back to the Pro Bowl. You know,

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Speaker 9: Ethan Poschik is as solid as they come. But I

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Speaker 9: would just sum it up like this. Guys like Jack

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Speaker 9: Conklin's had major injuries in his career. When he's played,

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Speaker 9: he's played at a super high level. I mean he's

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Speaker 9: playing at a super high level right now at right tackle.

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Speaker 9: But they owe almost twenty million for next year. He's

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Speaker 9: over thirty, he has the injury history they probably can't

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Speaker 9: afford to keep. And when they go to Jack Conklin

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Speaker 9: and said you want to take a pay cut, the

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Speaker 9: answer has to be no, I want to go play

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Speaker 9: for a competent team. So that's just kind of the

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Speaker 9: corner they've painted themselves in here.

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Speaker 6: So they've given up fifty eight sacks, which is most

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Speaker 6: in the National Football League. Is because the quarterbacks have

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Speaker 6: held the ball too long? Is the offensive line breaking down?

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Speaker 6: When you kind of think of the ratio, you know,

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Speaker 6: of those fifty eight sacks, where does the blade mostly lye?

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Speaker 6: And now with Thompson Robinson and his feet and legs

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Speaker 6: and how he can extend and create, do you expect

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Speaker 6: that problem to be alleviated.

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Speaker 9: Some Yeah, that number jumps out at you doesn't elapse,

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Speaker 9: it sure does. Yeah, you know, I would say a

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Speaker 9: lot of it is just the product of losing all

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Speaker 9: the time, right, And I think that's probably why they're

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Speaker 9: they're sacks by their defense is not as high as

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Speaker 9: they would like it to be, despite their pressure rates

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Speaker 9: being good, despite heading Miles Garrett. Yeah, early on they

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Speaker 9: were just holding the ball too much and they were

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Speaker 9: always losing in the fourth quarter. The defenses were just

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Speaker 9: kind of teeing off. So, yeah, they've had stripped sacks.

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Speaker 9: They've had everything pre smat penalties have been a problem.

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Speaker 9: Everything you can do to consistently put yourself in third

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Speaker 9: and eight or certain fifty they've done a little bit of,

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Speaker 9: and there was some fourth quarter magic from Jamis against

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Speaker 9: the Ravens and the Steelers, and other than that, it's

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Speaker 9: kind of been the same story. Turnover leads to bad things.

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Speaker 9: Trailing in the fourth quarter leads the worst.

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Speaker 2: Thing, Zach. My final question has to do with Jameis Winston.

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Speaker 2: I think anybody watching Hard Knocks loves the guy. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he's great TV. Nobody gives a better pregame speech. Have

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Speaker 2: we discovered once and for all that he is a

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Speaker 2: backup quarterback, somebody that you're happy to throw in there

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Speaker 2: for three or four games. But that's who he is.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean I wrote that a couple of weeks ago. Dan, Like,

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Speaker 9: if you think that Jamis still has the magic and

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Speaker 9: can make any throw that almost anybody in this league

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Speaker 9: can make your right. And if you think Jamis, given

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Speaker 9: the chance, is just going to throw to the other

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Speaker 9: team more times than you can summit, you're right. So

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Speaker 9: you know, he's a fastball thrower, He's a fast honker.

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Speaker 9: He's great. I mean, I'm not even ruling him out

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Speaker 9: coming back given the situation here, but he had he

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Speaker 9: had overplayed his welcome here and he had an opportunity here.

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Speaker 9: He really hadn't had a chance to play an extended

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Speaker 9: period in the end fell in four years and he

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Speaker 9: got it, and he had the two big moments and

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Speaker 9: he just crashed with eight interceptions in three weeks including

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Speaker 9: you know, he has a five hundred yard passing game

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Speaker 9: right on national TV sets the record, has a chance

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Speaker 9: to really make it a game to remember and really

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Speaker 9: make a statement on national TV. Grows two picks in

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Speaker 9: the fourth quarter of the Brown leaves the game.

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Speaker 6: So we talked about you know the quarterback playing obviously, interceptions,

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Speaker 6: Cleveland has thrown eighteen, they've only gotten four. They're minus

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Speaker 6: fourteen in interceptions alone minus two and fumbles minus sixteen. Overall,

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Speaker 6: they've thrown eighteen touchdown passes as a team and have

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Speaker 6: eighteen interceptions. The opponent's thrown twenty touchdown passes and only

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Speaker 6: four interceptions. Yeah, plus sixty plus sixteen. I mean does

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Speaker 6: it ball down to that? Is it that simple?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Not?

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Speaker 9: In the award is having a phenomenal year lap and

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Speaker 9: he's dropped about six interceptions, so you see why he

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Speaker 9: sends the award. And now Jamar Chase, right, he plays defense.

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Speaker 9: But yeah, no, like that just been the story, the

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Speaker 9: big turnover, the big sack, the big mistake in the

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Speaker 9: big moment, all year long, usually those things even out right,

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Speaker 9: you guys have seen it all year long, and these

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Speaker 9: one point games, in these wild games, right, every one

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Speaker 9: of those plays seems to have swung against the Browns

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Speaker 9: except in those two games. And some of it's your

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Speaker 9: own doing. Some of it's to strips back when you're

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Speaker 9: not paying attention, some of it's not seeing the linebacker

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Speaker 9: in the middle of the field, and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 9: the Broncos are running the other way. So yeah, it's

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Speaker 9: just it's been that kind of year. But Denzel's been phenomenal,

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Speaker 9: Miles has been Miles, and you know, Miles turns twenty

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Speaker 9: nine next week. I think he's under contract for two years,

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Speaker 9: like you would love to have him, and he can

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Speaker 9: win games for you, right, But they're going to have

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Speaker 9: to make a decision at some point because this is

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Speaker 9: not a team that's going to be competitive in twenty

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Speaker 9: twenty five. There's just no pass to it. They gave

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Speaker 9: up three first round picks for Deshaun Watson and he

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Speaker 9: stuck this franchise.

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