1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Five from our nations. This budget thing is going to 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: do nothing. Space Force. I still think it's interesting President 3 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: Trump not playing his cards yet. Headlines Policy and politics 4 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: colliding to Floomberg Sound on the inside, the influencers, the insides. 5 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: I would rather see a congressional solution. It's part of 6 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: my DNA. The Senate map in looks a lot different 7 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: than it looked in. You really have a divide within 8 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:26,279 Speaker 1: Team Trump. The president has to do exactly what people 9 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 1: send him here to do, which is to get it done. 10 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg Sound On with Kevin surl on Bloomberg 11 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: and one oh five point seven D two. Impeachment Eve, folks, 12 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 1: It's impeachment eve, on the eve of President Trump becoming 13 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:46,559 Speaker 1: likely the third president to ever become impeach fresh reaction 14 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:50,599 Speaker 1: from the White House. President Trump speaking about that earlier 15 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: today at the Oval Office. Will take you straight to 16 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 1: his remarks. And how is Mitch McConnell's camp playing this 17 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: eyeing Speaker Polost and what likely will be now a 18 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 1: trial in the Senate, The latest on the procedural the 19 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: procedural hurdles of all of this, and then what happens 20 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:13,040 Speaker 1: once it gets to the Senate. Ultimately it's another trade 21 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:17,320 Speaker 1: showdown as well, while lawmakers advancing now legislation to keep 22 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 1: the government open. U s m c A now on 23 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: a fast track for passage. On Thursday, We'll check in 24 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:27,839 Speaker 1: with Congressman Roger Marshall, who is a Republican from Kansas, 25 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 1: also the largest farm district in the country. We've also 26 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:33,759 Speaker 1: got a panel of all stars. Brendan Buck, former spokesman 27 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: and advisor to House Speaker Paul Ryan. Now he's a 28 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 1: partner at seven Letter and Al Motter a partner at Brownstein, Hyatt, 29 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: Farber and Shrek. He has previously worked for several Democrats 30 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 1: in the Senate. Making his his debut on the program, 31 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: Al thank you so much for being here. I was 32 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 1: up on Capitol Hill all day, uh, covering the House 33 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: Rules Committee, and we get this letter from President Trump, 34 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:00,080 Speaker 1: and that's where I want to start tonight. Press it 35 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: in Trump sending a blistering six page letter to House 36 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 1: Speaker Nancy Pelosi, accusing Pelosi of turning the House into 37 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 1: a medieval quote star chamber end quote in pursuit of impeachment. 38 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: Your legacy, president Trump writes, will be that of turning 39 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: the House of representatives from a revered legislative body into 40 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: a star chamber of partisan persecution. I have no doubt 41 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: the American people will hold you and the Democrats fully 42 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: responsible in the upcoming election. They will not soon forgive 43 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: your perversion of justice and abuse of power. That's President 44 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: Trump writing to Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi on 45 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 1: the eve of the historic impeachment vote set for tomorrow. 46 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: Impeachment was very much on the President's mind also during 47 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: his comments inside of the Oval Office. Take a listen 48 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 1: to President Trump speaking about where Republicans stand ahead of 49 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:06,359 Speaker 1: the impeachment vote tomorrow. Here he is, I've never seen 50 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: the Republican Party so united. Who got ar or last vote? 51 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 1: As you know, we of the vote, I believe the 52 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: Senate is equally as well united. Brendan Buck take us 53 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: inside of the Republican ideology on the eve of impeachment. 54 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:26,359 Speaker 1: As the President right, does he have the full backing 55 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: of the party behind him heading into this. Yeah, I 56 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 1: actually do think he's right. You know, look, getting impeached 57 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: is is never a good thing. It's a it's a 58 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: stain on his legacy, and I know that that eats 59 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: at him. But as far as the politics. He's got 60 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 1: to be pretty happy with how this is gone. They 61 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: made a bet early on that they were going to 62 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: admit no fault. At least he made a bet early 63 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 1: on that he was going to admit no fault. He 64 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: was going to fight, and he was going to appeal 65 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 1: to the GOP base. And what they've been able to 66 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 1: do is create a firewall with Republican voters who are 67 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: standing by the president and at UH. That passion that 68 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 1: his supporters have has float up to members in the 69 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: House and the Senate, and because of that, you're going 70 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 1: to have a purely party line vote. This is actually 71 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: turning in to be a more difficult vote for Democrats 72 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 1: than it is for Republicans. A lot of that is 73 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 1: because most of the sort of swing districts are held 74 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:18,359 Speaker 1: by Democrats. At this point, if you're a Republican in 75 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: the House, you're probably in a relatively safe seat, But 76 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: this is a harder vote for Democrats. Are actually seeing 77 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: one Democrat in New Jersey switching parties over UH, and 78 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,480 Speaker 1: he hasn't really suffered in the polls, So I think 79 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 1: he's gonna be and we sort of know how this 80 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:32,280 Speaker 1: is going to end. In the Senate. He's going to 81 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:36,599 Speaker 1: come out of here and say I was vindicated or exonerated. Um, 82 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: it's probably how he'll talk about it. Uh, and and 83 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: and and largely be able to come out of here, uh, 84 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,280 Speaker 1: scoring some points and getting some things done along the way. 85 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 1: It's not a bad political endgame for him, you know, 86 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: aside from actually being impeached. I want to unpackage so 87 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: much of what you just said, including the point with 88 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 1: regards to centrist Democrats in suburban district. And Jeff Andrew 89 00:04:57,400 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 1: will get to that in a second. But sticking with this, 90 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: take us behind the scenes and Speaker Pelosi's chamber tonight 91 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,359 Speaker 1: because this is the eve when they are going to 92 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 1: likely vote to impeach on two charges. The first charges 93 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: that he abused power by withholding US military aid from 94 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:18,160 Speaker 1: Ukraine to force uk and President Zelinski to investigate Hunter 95 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:22,599 Speaker 1: Biden and former Vice President Joe Biden. And secondly that 96 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 1: he obstructed Congress by refusing to turn over documents and 97 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: make witnesses available in the impeachment inquiry. Speaker Pelosi heading 98 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 1: into this vote tomorrow night, what is she what is 99 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:39,720 Speaker 1: she thinking? Well, the problem is Kevin that those charges 100 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 1: are unassailably correct. The president actually did do those things. 101 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 1: They are impeachable offenses. But on the other hand, uh, 102 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: he has unified his base, the country of uses through 103 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 1: a partisan lens. And so she's thinking, let me get 104 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 1: through this as quickly as I can, get the vote 105 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: over with, and let's move back onto the issues that 106 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 1: will help us in the election and the fall all. 107 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: And if you look at what the presidents did in 108 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:07,160 Speaker 1: his letter, he pivoted from a lengthy defense of himself 109 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 1: by characterizing the proceedings in the House is absurd in 110 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: a charade, and then turned it into politics and said, 111 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: you're gonna get punished. My voters are gonna come out 112 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 1: and come after your people, Nancy, the folks who gave 113 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: you the speakership and those blue uh in the in 114 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 1: the in the blue wave that elected about twenty House 115 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: Democrats in districts that he carried. So Speaker Pelosi has 116 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: to name the prosecutors for the impeachment trial and the 117 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 1: Senate and just procedurally so folks know what's coming up 118 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: the vote tomorrow. Today the House Rules Committee voted on 119 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 1: the rules for the procedure tomorrow the vote, and then 120 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 1: after that Speaker Pelosi names the prosecutors from the House. 121 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: People forget this. There's gonna be House members who are 122 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:49,559 Speaker 1: prosecuting the president in the Senate, and then the White 123 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 1: House Council will defend President Trump in the Senate. Now, 124 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: it's likely what we're hearing, unless there's a surprise going 125 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 1: to be House Intel Chairman Adam Schiff or Jerry Nadler 126 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: of oversight in the House. And Leader McConnell has really 127 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: been signaling both in an interview with Fox News is 128 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: Sean Hannity as in the last day, as well as 129 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 1: in public comments and in a response letter to set 130 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 1: up already Leader Chuck Schumer that this trial is going 131 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: to be quick out. Is that a mistake, not a 132 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 1: mistake for McConnell. I think he's always been in control 133 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 1: of the Chamber. As long as he has fifty one votes, 134 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: it will go as he wishes it to go. But 135 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: that raises a question, right, which is that are there 136 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: four Republicans, four middle of the road Republicans, maybe Susan Collins, 137 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: maybe Mitt Romney, maybe a couple of others who might say, 138 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: you know what, we agree with Chuck Schumer that there 139 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 1: ought to be some witnesses, and this ought to take 140 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: some more time because the impeachment rules are different from 141 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 1: traditional legislative rules in the Senate. You don't have votes 142 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: on cloture, for example, but you have to have a 143 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 1: majority of senators to approve the rules to set the 144 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: terms going forward and started. That's a brilliant distinction because 145 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: it's a it's a cloture the nuances of Washington. For 146 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: the rules, you just need a simple majority. For the conviction, 147 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: you need two thirds. Take a Listen to Senate Majority 148 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: Leader Mitch McConnell speaking earlier today on the eve of 149 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: the House impeachment vote here is I'm totally surprised if 150 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: there were sixty seven senators to remove the president. That 151 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 1: remains my view. Um, However, we are obligated under the 152 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: Constitution to turn to it when it comes over, and 153 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: we will. Coming up, we'll check in with one of 154 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: those House members who is going to vote an impeachment, 155 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 1: Congressman Roger Marshall, a Republican from Kansas, and we'll get 156 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 1: his take on trade policy. Brendan buck stays, al Al 157 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 1: Matter stays, and I'll stay too. 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I'm Kevin Cirelli, Chief Washington corresponded 167 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: for Bloomberg Television and Radio. There's another vote this week, 168 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 1: and it's not on impeachment. That has our next guest 169 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:30,119 Speaker 1: fired up and excited. Congressman Roger Marshall joins us via telephone. 170 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: He is a Republican representing a rural district in Kansas. 171 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:37,439 Speaker 1: It's actually Congressman, I was reading up on this. The 172 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 1: biggest farmland per some record of a lot of farmland 173 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: in your district. Absolutely, we consider ourselves the biggest act 174 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: agriculture producing district in the country, from from from milking 175 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 1: cows and then growing cattle to porn and wheat, soybeans 176 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 1: and cotton and that everything in between. We're all things 177 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 1: agriculture and very proud of all. Right, So we're getting 178 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: this vote on Thursday on U S m c A. Now, 179 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 1: last night when I was on air, we were covering 180 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 1: the discussing some of the concerns that Mexico had with 181 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: the agreement. There was you know, no one really took 182 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: it seriously, but that it might the rail the U. 183 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 1: S m c A vote on Thursday Thursday. My Philadelphia 184 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 1: accent just came up. But uh, but that's off the table, right, Congressman, 185 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: and that this all all systems ago in terms of U. 186 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 1: S m c A on Thursday, you know, all systems 187 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:31,719 Speaker 1: are going. I'm so proud of a President Trump. He's 188 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 1: hung in there through this. I've been so proud to 189 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:37,079 Speaker 1: stand beside him. This is a huge victory for the President, 190 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 1: a huge victory for America. Uh, where were you are? 191 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: All systems go? The only reason we don't. The only 192 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: thing I don't know is why did it Nan goes 193 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 1: so long to get this to to the House floor. 194 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: She's had it since March. It's a huge victory for Kansas, 195 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: for America, thousands of jobs in Kansas, hundreds of thousands 196 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: of jobs across America, and yes, Merry Christmas to all 197 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 1: my farmers. All right, Well, we'll tell us specifically what 198 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:05,439 Speaker 1: it would do, because you know we're here, U s 199 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:07,959 Speaker 1: m c A. Business community wants U. S m c A. 200 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 1: Farmers want us and U. S m c A. What's 201 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:13,319 Speaker 1: it gonna do? What's it specifically gonna do? Get into 202 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 1: the weeds for us? You know, absolutely so across Kansas, 203 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: we literally have mountains of grain with nowhere to go 204 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 1: with them, weak from a harvest from two seasons ago, 205 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: still setting on old airport runways in Little City, and 206 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: now we have a market for those So this is 207 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: going to open up those markets. Um, we have record 208 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 1: numbers of bankruptcies and agriculture across Kansas, across America, and 209 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 1: this is gonna be allowing those farmers to pay off 210 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 1: some of those loans that they'll at least the interest 211 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:46,199 Speaker 1: on them. And what no one talking about is this 212 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 1: is gonna put a huge amount of leverage on China. 213 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 1: If you think about what this president has done, you know, 214 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 1: we he's equated trade agreements now with almost half of 215 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:57,959 Speaker 1: our partners of our trading partners, and this will put 216 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 1: huge leverage on China to get that deal. Cost the 217 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: brilli important. I mean, I want to take it right there. 218 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:05,199 Speaker 1: You let me right there because us Phase one of 219 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:07,679 Speaker 1: the China trade deal says a forty billy forty to 220 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: fifty billion dollars, that's what China. President she says he's 221 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 1: gonna buy from states like your state congressman from District Kansas. 222 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:19,319 Speaker 1: How are you going to make sure though, that that's 223 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 1: enforced that President she holds to his word and that 224 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 1: there are are enforcement mechanisms in place to make sure 225 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: that that that that that weight in those barrels and 226 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 1: then on those runways that they take off. That's a 227 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: great question. And of course historically China's not lift up 228 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:41,959 Speaker 1: to their their words. They cheated from us. Everybody has 229 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 1: the story of a ship and a grain we sitting 230 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 1: over there. They agreed to buy and they decided not 231 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: to do it after it got there. So the beauty 232 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:52,680 Speaker 1: of this is President Trump's negotiating powers and the United 233 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 1: States trade represent bottom line, highs are brilliant and most 234 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 1: brilliant people I've ever met have things in this agreement 235 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: that all allow it to immediately put those tariffs back 236 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:05,439 Speaker 1: on the Chinese if they're cheating us. As before, it 237 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 1: took years ago through a debut o court hearing. So 238 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: you know, Whiteheiser's is a bright guy. He's got this 239 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:14,559 Speaker 1: speakured out, and we're gonna be in much better shape 240 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: than ever before. All Right, two more questions for it. 241 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 1: First and foremost, it's impeachment eve, I mean, does it 242 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:22,559 Speaker 1: is it surreal for you or what I mean? Does 243 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 1: it take us take off the part doesn't have for 244 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: for just a second and tell us what it actually 245 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: feels like to be voting in an impeachment vote. I mean, 246 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: it's not every day that there's an impeachment vote. No, No, 247 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:37,319 Speaker 1: not at all. It's it's a sad day for America. 248 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 1: It's a sad day that the Democrats have been they 249 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:44,319 Speaker 1: have insisted on impeaching a president over in my estimation, 250 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: nothing that I don't think the president is anything wrong. 251 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 1: It's totally partialest part of the project from day one. Uh, 252 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 1: It's just it's a sad day, very sad day, and 253 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 1: I'm just so ready to get over it. And my 254 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:00,200 Speaker 1: office is all here. We're working hard making sure U 255 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 1: s n C A gets passed tomorrow, trying to make 256 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: sure the president has whatever he needs to deal with China, 257 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 1: and when we'll get on the healthcare uh and and 258 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 1: speaking of healthcare, and not to interrupt you, but I 259 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 1: really wanted to make sure that I had time to 260 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 1: ask you this question because this should be by part. 261 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 1: Is a issue, and it's an issue that I know 262 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: that you are passionate about, and that's farm farmer suicides. Now, 263 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 1: unfortunately they have increased at such a fast pace, faster 264 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: than the general population. And I know that you are 265 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 1: on the front lines of working on this issue. Can 266 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 1: you just uh tell us the latest on that, because 267 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: I don't think it's something that gets talked about in 268 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: Washington on forums like this enough, and that is that 269 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 1: farmer suicides have increased at a faster pace than the 270 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 1: general population. Yeah. Well, first of all, the pressure is 271 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 1: real in agriculture. Folks that have a fifth generation form 272 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: that they may lose it because the commandity prices have 273 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: been to bath for five years. So the first thing 274 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: we need to do is give them a market and 275 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 1: give them hope. Right, more granular level, though, we're trying 276 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 1: to help the people back home, like the former credit 277 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: Association across the America is working to ron officers on 278 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 1: how to recognize some of the science and symptoms of 279 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 1: depression expillent their risk for suicide. So we're trying to 280 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 1: make sure that we're putting some wind beneath their sales. 281 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: I think Washington can micro manage this from from on 282 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: top of the hill here, but we can empower the 283 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: folks back home. Trying to provide for tell of medicine. 284 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 1: Lots of time the experts on giving people that mental 285 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: health live in the bigger cities, So trying to make 286 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 1: sure we have to tell a medicine out in the 287 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 1: rule of the rule Americans to make sure that rural 288 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 1: America has access to that. Congressman, that's such an important, 289 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 1: important point, an important point, and I very much appreciate 290 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 1: your time you were with me on Bloomberg TV and 291 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 1: now checking in with us on Bloomberg Radio. Appreciate that 292 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 1: coming up much more policy and politics on impeachment eve 293 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 1: and just a day and a half away from the 294 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 1: next Democratic presidential debate. What a newsweek. I'm Kevin Serelli. 295 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 1: You're listening to Bloomberg nine one. This is Bloomberg Sound 296 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: On with ke on Bloomberg. Welcome back. I'm Kevin Surlei, 297 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 1: Chief Washington correspondent fro Bloomberg Television and Bloomberg Radio. Thirty one. 298 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 1: That's the magic number, thirty one House Democrats who won 299 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: districts that President Trump carried in. Now, Jeff Van Drew 300 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: was one of those Democrats who announced that he would 301 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 1: be breaking with the party and actually some reports saying 302 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 1: he's gonna switch parties and voting against impeachment. He is 303 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: a current Democrat representing New Jersey. Breaking news tonight as 304 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 1: we speak, we're just getting fresh reports that Congressman Jared Golden, 305 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 1: he's a freshman lawmaker, that he has announced that he 306 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 1: will vote in favor of one one of the two 307 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 1: articles of impeachment, but not both. He says he's going 308 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:09,400 Speaker 1: to vote yes to impeach the president on Article one, 309 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: the Abusive Power charge, and no on Article two. So 310 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 1: he's voting yes and no. That leaves five other undecided 311 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 1: House Democrats in states that President Trump carried in that 312 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:28,640 Speaker 1: Democrats won. And then we'll talk about the Senate where 313 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:31,640 Speaker 1: Joe Manchin and Doug Jones, remember Doug Jones of Alabama, 314 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 1: UH have also said that they're waiting to see what happens. 315 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,879 Speaker 1: Al madys here. He's a partner at Brownstein, Hyatt, Farber 316 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:44,879 Speaker 1: and Truck. He has advised several UH Senate Democrats in 317 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 1: the Senate UH and is an insider of all democratic politics. 318 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:52,640 Speaker 1: I'm underselling you here, but I don't want to read 319 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:55,679 Speaker 1: off your resume. And Brendon Buck returns. He's a former 320 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 1: spokesman and advisor to House Speaker Paul Ryan, partner at 321 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: Seventh Letters. Okay, if you're one of those Democrats, Al, 322 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:06,879 Speaker 1: how are you making this this calculation on this vote 323 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 1: and take us behind the scenes, not you know, constitution 324 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 1: and whatnot. Take us behind the scenes of how they're 325 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 1: actually going to make this decision. Well, so, first of all, 326 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:17,679 Speaker 1: I would say that the Speaker didn't bring us to 327 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: this point without consulting them. So they were read in 328 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 1: on the decision to move forward toward impeachment. And so 329 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 1: when that happened last month, it was clear that a 330 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 1: majority of them were already in favor of this process 331 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: and likely in favor of voting to impeach the president. 332 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 1: In terms of the vote itself, there will be a 333 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:36,399 Speaker 1: few who defect, but I think that they are ready 334 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:38,440 Speaker 1: to take their lumps with voters who don't like it. 335 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 1: And you look at the town halls like with Lisa 336 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:44,640 Speaker 1: Slotkin and others, in which they're explaining themselves to some 337 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 1: cat calls and booze but also some applause. It's a 338 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:51,639 Speaker 1: complicated and controversial issue, but uh, you know, I think 339 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:53,639 Speaker 1: they're going to vote their conscience and a majority of 340 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 1: them will vote to impeach the president and then tout 341 00:18:56,040 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 1: their legislative successes on other issues. Yeah. I hope that Rep. 342 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:03,120 Speaker 1: Golden of Maine, who's voting on one and not the other, 343 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 1: truly believes that because that is a terrible political calculus 344 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 1: to make that you're just going to like make everybody. 345 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 1: You're you're not gonna make everybody happy, You're gonna make 346 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 1: everybody upset by doing that. Um. You know, Look, this 347 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 1: is obviously proven to be a challenging political dynamic for 348 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:23,200 Speaker 1: for some vulnerable House Democrats, and Nancy Pelosi certainly was 349 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:24,680 Speaker 1: aware of that, and I think that's why she was 350 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: so hesitant to go down this route. Um. And I 351 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: think the number one example to prove that is the 352 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: timing of the trade agreement. It is not an accident 353 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 1: that the exact same day that they were moving forward 354 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 1: on Article's impeachment, that she rolled out an agreement on 355 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:42,680 Speaker 1: the USMC and that today they voted to I think 356 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:45,160 Speaker 1: they voted today to pass to keep the government open. 357 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: She has to be able to provide these vulnerable Democrats 358 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:51,119 Speaker 1: the ability to say, yes, while I am holding the 359 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 1: president accountable and I'm going to vote for impeach, I'm 360 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: also able to work with him on certain things well. 361 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:59,160 Speaker 1: But she's also showing the President to be a bit 362 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 1: of a fraud to the something he said, Oh, they 363 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:02,639 Speaker 1: can't do anything in the House. All they're gonna do 364 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 1: is impeach me. They can't get the people's business. Don't 365 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 1: He's saying, Actually, we can do a lot. And that's 366 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 1: the pressure that I think Republicans have very effectively put 367 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 1: on Democrats on this. I mean that it was a 368 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 1: powerful message. They ran an ad during the World Series. 369 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: The President, right when all of this started, made a 370 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:21,639 Speaker 1: huge investment on on Facebook putting ads out there that 371 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 1: and the message boiled down to Democrats are so obsessed 372 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: with me that they're overlooking the issues that you actually 373 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 1: care about. And it actually works, And I think that's 374 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 1: what has got some of these Democrats. I mean, but 375 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:33,879 Speaker 1: to Al's point, I mean, no one's going to be 376 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,440 Speaker 1: talking about USMC. Yeah, I mean, think about it. We're 377 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 1: used to in the media covering shutdowns around the holidays. 378 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:43,239 Speaker 1: You know, it's you never book your Christmas flight home 379 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:45,160 Speaker 1: because you never know if you're gonna have to be here. Yeah, 380 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,399 Speaker 1: but you run your campaign back home, you talk about 381 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: these things and this isn't. This isn't what's going to 382 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: be leading the headlines in anybody's district. But when they're running, 383 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 1: it's important to be able to say I did both. 384 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:55,639 Speaker 1: I guess what I would say is that Speaker Pelos 385 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: has been the most formidable adversary the President Trump has encountered. Yeah, 386 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 1: he defeated six Team Republicans, he defeated sector A Clinton. 387 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 1: He's not defeating her. She's getting the best of him, 388 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 1: and at least some skirmishes and that will continue to 389 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:11,879 Speaker 1: happen next year. Okay, But but it does feel that 390 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:17,399 Speaker 1: even if there's just a handful plus Joe Manchion plus 391 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 1: Doug Jones, they still have the D next to their name, 392 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:24,920 Speaker 1: and it does feel that that they're like, objectively, there's 393 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 1: gonna be some Democrats who break with the party. I 394 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:34,159 Speaker 1: Speaker Pelosi and zero Republican. You think Doug Jones is 395 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 1: going to vote to acquit him? I don't know, do you. 396 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:42,199 Speaker 1: I'm a reporter, right I I just my view of 397 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:45,159 Speaker 1: politics these days. You know, maybe just look at Republicans 398 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:47,919 Speaker 1: like a Corey Gardner. There is no political benefit for 399 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 1: voting against Donald Trump. You You've already got your your 400 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 1: progressives in your state who are upset with you. The 401 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:56,160 Speaker 1: last thing you want to do is upset your base 402 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,880 Speaker 1: Republican voters. And I imagine Jones is gonna run against 403 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:02,440 Speaker 1: Jeff Sessions, right, Yeah, maybe in Alabama it's a different dynamic. 404 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 1: If you want to try, just think of that. Doug 405 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:07,440 Speaker 1: Jones is gonna if he votes for impeachment, He's gonna 406 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: be It doesn't matter that he's a Centrist. He'll be 407 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 1: characterized as AOC running against Jeff Sessions. Yeah, right absolutely, 408 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 1: and and and Jeff and Jeff and Jeff Andrew in 409 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 1: New Jersey. You know it will be former congressman very soon. 410 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 1: You know, one way or another, this is not people 411 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 1: have tried this before. You're basically just running from whatever 412 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:30,199 Speaker 1: election you think you're about to lose you, but he 413 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 1: won't be around very long. And let's let's go back 414 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 1: to the thing we're talking about. During the break. Most 415 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:38,160 Speaker 1: people in Congress, Um senior members, folks in the media 416 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: think that what the President did isn't so good, But 417 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:44,159 Speaker 1: most Americans don't really care. And and and that's the 418 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 1: gap between what the Democratic strategy has been and the 419 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:51,359 Speaker 1: reality politically. And so now they're stuck. And I gotta 420 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,440 Speaker 1: get through this as quickly as they can and move 421 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 1: on back to the people's business, or it's gonna it's 422 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 1: gonna hurt us come November. And you look at the 423 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 1: polls the the You look at the polls that have 424 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 1: just come out the USA Today poll teach impeached or not? 425 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 1: Trump leads his Democratic rivals for another term. Reading from 426 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:15,200 Speaker 1: Susan Page, William Cummings and Nicholas Woos reporting in USA Today, 427 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:20,399 Speaker 1: Trump defeats Biden, Sanders, Warren Buddha, Jedge, and Bloomberg and 428 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 1: head to head matches. Think about that, President Trump defeating 429 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:28,119 Speaker 1: every candidate who was running for president according to this 430 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:34,160 Speaker 1: USA Today Suffix University poll, the National Survey taken uh, 431 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 1: you know, in the head in these head to head matchups. 432 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 1: I mean, it is remarkable out to your point. I 433 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,879 Speaker 1: mean we're talking about this. You go where I'm from, Pennsylvania, 434 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 1: a state that Trump was able to carry for the 435 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:50,640 Speaker 1: first time a Republican did it since n I mean 436 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:52,679 Speaker 1: that is, and and you know his poll numbers are 437 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:58,159 Speaker 1: a little lower this time. But Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, Pennsylvania 438 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 1: we talked about impeach, it is not very much on 439 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 1: the radar. Two quick points. First of all, if those 440 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 1: numbers are correct at the USA Today Suffolk poll, he's 441 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 1: gonna win a lot more states than the three that 442 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 1: you just mentioned. He's gonna have a bigger electrical college 443 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 1: victory next year than he did over Sectary Clinton. Secondly, 444 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:18,880 Speaker 1: we Democrats have a problem getting two caught up in personalities. 445 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,679 Speaker 1: I remember in two thousand and four, everybody, all the 446 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:25,120 Speaker 1: Democrat elites thought, well, George W. Bush is is he's 447 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: not that smart? Well, who cares whether he's smart or not. 448 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 1: He understand understood what it took to get elected twice 449 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,879 Speaker 1: in America. President Trump understood what it took to get elected, 450 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:34,879 Speaker 1: albeit by very narrow margin, and he may do it 451 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 1: again if the Democrats overlook his political strength. Alright, coming up, 452 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 1: we're gonna check in with what's on the panel's radar. 453 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,920 Speaker 1: Brendan buck al Matter, I'm Kevin Sirelli. You're listening to Bloomberg. 454 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 1: You're listening to Bloomberg Sound On with Kevin Surreley on 455 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,879 Speaker 1: Bloomberg and one oh five point seven F M H 456 00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:00,399 Speaker 1: D two. I'm Kevin CEREALI Chief Washington co respondent for 457 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Television and Bloomberg Radio. Brendon bucks Here, former spokesman 458 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 1: and advisor to the House Speaker Paul Ryan, a partner 459 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 1: at seven Letter, al Matter, partner at Brown Steen, Hyatt, 460 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,639 Speaker 1: Farber and Shrek. Your first time on the program, l 461 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 1: what is it like? It's been fun, enjoyed. Thank you 462 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,919 Speaker 1: for having me. So I discovered that both Brendan and 463 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,359 Speaker 1: al have something in common. Both of you have a 464 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:27,239 Speaker 1: Ted Kennedy connection. Both of our fathers, both of your 465 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 1: father's worked for Ted Kennedy. How about that? Wow, I'd 466 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:34,200 Speaker 1: feel like I didn't even put that part together. Apple 467 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,120 Speaker 1: did fall far from the tree? And uh in Brendon's 468 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:44,160 Speaker 1: did they know each other? What we're gonna have to so? Okay, wait, 469 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:45,959 Speaker 1: what's your best Ted Kennedy do any of you have 470 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:50,399 Speaker 1: a good Ted Kennedy story, I don't. I mean, he's 471 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,679 Speaker 1: an he was an incredible guy. I remember going to 472 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 1: a dinner once and uh, I was a young you know, 473 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 1: my twenties, and I was at dinner that he happened 474 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:00,159 Speaker 1: to be out and he asked me who I is, 475 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: and I told him. He said, give me your phone, 476 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 1: and he called my dad, who was some babysitting my kids, 477 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, disguised his voice and then he said, 478 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 1: I'm Ted Kennedy and you're just a fun guy who 479 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 1: fun washed, sort of lit up a room and had 480 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,919 Speaker 1: the larger than life personality. That's that's a good story. Alright, 481 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 1: it's time now on a peach mean eve. As we're 482 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:22,159 Speaker 1: talking Ted Kennedy on a peach ben Eve, it's time 483 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,199 Speaker 1: now for my favorite part of the show, which is 484 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 1: what is on the panel's radar, Uh, Brennan. Since I 485 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 1: know you're struggling to come with, you know, there's a 486 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 1: lot going on this week, I'm gonna let you go second, 487 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 1: al go first. Sure. So there's a lot of people 488 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 1: still running for president of Democratic son, tell me about it. 489 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,879 Speaker 1: And despite the cries by some that they're being excluded. 490 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,680 Speaker 1: This is the most diverse, UH and competitive field we've 491 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 1: seen in decades. And what's on my radar is the 492 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 1: fact that the Democratic Party's rules are set up in 493 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 1: a way that we may end up having what's called 494 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 1: a broker convention. This is the talk of the town 495 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:01,159 Speaker 1: everywhere I go, you know, when when the convention comes up. 496 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 1: But I'm gonna play Devil's advocate here because this was 497 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,400 Speaker 1: also something that Republicans said would happen. But the back 498 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 1: in now, before you correct me, the Republican rules and 499 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 1: the Democrat rules are very different. The only similarity I'm 500 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,639 Speaker 1: saying is that that was something that came up in 501 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 1: the last crowded field that we have. Tell us about 502 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 1: the differences between the Republican rules and the Democrat rules 503 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: and why everyone's talking about potential for a broker convention. 504 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 1: So in twice sixteen UH, the campaigns that were still 505 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 1: competing eventually came together and supported the nominee than Donald Trump. 506 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 1: What happens this time under our rules is that if 507 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 1: anyone gets fifteen percent of the delegates in a nominating 508 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 1: state the vote in a caucus or primary, they get delegates, 509 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 1: and that is a lower threshold, and as a result, 510 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,160 Speaker 1: you're likely to have more people emerging from the early 511 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,919 Speaker 1: states with delegates, which then encouraged them to stay in 512 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 1: the race. Also, you may have uh two, three, even 513 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,880 Speaker 1: four different winners of the first four states, again encouraging 514 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,919 Speaker 1: each of them to propel forward and compete. If you 515 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,639 Speaker 1: end up having then Mike Bloomberg enter and with his 516 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 1: money able to get more in several states, it's very 517 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,160 Speaker 1: difficult to see a path where by one candidate can 518 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 1: get a majority of the pledge delegates by the convention. 519 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:19,120 Speaker 1: I hear that argument, but my questions and follow up 520 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:23,159 Speaker 1: to that are that assumes a lot. That assumes that 521 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,919 Speaker 1: the momentum heading out of Iowa and New Hampshire and 522 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,920 Speaker 1: South Carolina is not momentum, that it won't matter at all, 523 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 1: and that the elector that the voters voting on Super 524 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:37,359 Speaker 1: Tuesday will really be sticking their nose up or down 525 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 1: at the early caucus and primary states and saying that 526 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 1: they want to matter more. But it also assumes that 527 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 1: the law that that we in Washington, we talk about 528 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 1: this all the time, but to most folks you know, 529 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 1: who have to pay their bills, who have to send 530 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 1: their kids to school. They feel that if you vote 531 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 1: in a primary, whoever wins won the state, and so 532 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 1: that development of a brokered convention could backfire. Well, here's 533 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 1: the real problem is they set these rules up to 534 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 1: be more democratic, more inclusive, and they took the superdelegates 535 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 1: vote away on that first ballot. Remember Bernie was very 536 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 1: upset about the superdelegates, and so they took the vote away. 537 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 1: They come in on the second ballot, Well, who are 538 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:22,960 Speaker 1: who are those people? Remind us what the superdelegates for 539 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 1: superdelegates are about seven hundred institutional Democrats, members of Congress, 540 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 1: or Democrats, governor's, former governor's, mayor's party, operatives around the country, 541 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 1: the establishment. So if you have a situation saying which 542 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 1: Joe Biden has the delegates Bernie sandersent Liza with warrens Uh, 543 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 1: Michael Bloomberg has twelve percent. I don't know if that 544 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 1: adds with a hundred, but the point of it is 545 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 1: no one as a majority. If the superdelegates come in 546 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 1: and say, well, we want Joe Biden because he's our 547 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 1: kind of guy, what about the folks who were for 548 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,760 Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders. People thought it was bad in sixteen. There 549 00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 1: will be literally riots in Milwaukee. If again, if and 550 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 1: I'm not you know, if Iowa means nothing, if you 551 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 1: Hampshire means nothing, if South Carolina means nothing, Brenni, come 552 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 1: in here. You're like, you see, I'm just sitting here 553 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 1: thing with Donald Trump with think if you're sitting there 554 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:16,480 Speaker 1: watching that and the revolt about it happening. Yeah, that's 555 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 1: a dream scenario for him. So uh, you would hope 556 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 1: that they would be smart enough to go because first 557 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 1: time on the program giving us a dizzy ing what's 558 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 1: on his radar, and the debates on Thursday, looking forward 559 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 1: to it. I will be there in l A. You're 560 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 1: gonna be there too. We can have some what is 561 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 1: l A? We can have in an Altburger. That sounds great. 562 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 1: Every time I go to l A, I gotta have 563 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 1: it in olt Burger. Do they serve alcohol? Well I 564 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 1: don't drink so I but do they serve alcohol? I 565 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:45,719 Speaker 1: don't know. I'll eat I'll eat it up in an 566 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 1: out burger for for both of us at a consummate 567 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 1: insider the debate, I mean, the day after the impeachment 568 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 1: U s m U, s m C. I vote. It'll 569 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 1: be interesting. It'll be interesting. I think Amy Klobar could 570 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 1: have a good night. How do you choose? She's done 571 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 1: great on all these so far. And they figured out 572 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,800 Speaker 1: the rule thing, the rule think the union, the baccle 573 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 1: we were talking about yesterday, Perez chairman Perez talked about 574 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 1: having a tough job. He figured it out, and uh, 575 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 1: it's going the debates going on. And just as a disclaimer, 576 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 1: Michael Bloomberg is the founder a majority owner of Bloomberg LP, 577 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 1: the parent company of Bloomberg News. Brendon Buck what is 578 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 1: on your radar? So what would normally be I think 579 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 1: be the top story of this week, which is now 580 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 1: relegated to like the fourth story, is that Congress is 581 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 1: passing what we call an omnibus spending bill, basically funding 582 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 1: the entire government all in one foul swoop, which is 583 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 1: um not the normal way of doing business, but I 584 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 1: think it actually is. Uh. If there's a few interesting 585 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 1: things that I think is sort of a statement of 586 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 1: of how legislating works these days. One is we're not 587 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 1: just funding the government all at once. They have packed 588 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 1: all kinds of other legislation on this bill. We're raising 589 00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:01,240 Speaker 1: the minimum age to buy tobacco. We are repeat, really 590 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 1: I didn't even know this. We're repealing a bunch of taxes, 591 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 1: we are reauthorizing the Export Import Bank for for seven years. 592 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 1: We are Fred Hackberg. That's that's Fred Hackberg's Holiday Presidents 593 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:17,320 Speaker 1: Present right there. Fred. So this is not happy, it's 594 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 1: you know, on one hand, it's a it's a demonstration 595 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 1: of our large largely an inability to legislate in the 596 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 1: normal order. And so people think that a spending bill 597 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 1: that has to pass is like the one chance to 598 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 1: get something into law, and that's how you end up 599 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 1: with something like this. But what is actually the funniest 600 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 1: thing to me is that when I was last on Congress, 601 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 1: we passed an omnibus spending bill and the president was 602 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 1: very upset about it and declared that he would never 603 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 1: sign another spending bill. And so what Congress has done 604 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,479 Speaker 1: this time is they've written an omnibus spending bill and 605 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:53,719 Speaker 1: cut it in half, and they're passing it in two pieces. Uh, 606 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:55,720 Speaker 1: they're going to send it to the President at the 607 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 1: same time and just hope that he doesn't notice or 608 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 1: doesn't care that his act really one big omnibus, but 609 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 1: he's signing it into two pieces of legislation and it's 610 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 1: going to keep the government upen through next September. Yeah, 611 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 1: I mean yeah. It's just a remarkable bit of legislating 612 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 1: and policy making. Not exactly how you learn how things 613 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:17,720 Speaker 1: should go, but it's just a sort of a reflection 614 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 1: of how sort of broken we are in a lot 615 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 1: of ways. Um, the appropriations process how we funded the 616 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 1: government used to be a pretty bipartisan process more where 617 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 1: you could fund the government one department, one agency at 618 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 1: a time. Those days are long gone, and we end 619 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 1: up with these things where you introduce a two thousand 620 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 1: page bill yesterday, it has passed Congress already today. Oh 621 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,480 Speaker 1: how the the in and out burger gets made in 622 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 1: Trump's Washington. That's a good one. You know what's on 623 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 1: my radar very quickly. Boeing has been in the news 624 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,120 Speaker 1: recently because of their decision to halt the seven thirty 625 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,920 Speaker 1: seven Max production, but that's not what's on my radar today. 626 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 1: Boeing Starliner capsule could be ready for a historic test 627 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 1: flight to the Space Station. You guys know that I'm 628 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 1: a big space nerd Boweing. I'm reading from CBS News 629 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,720 Speaker 1: Boeing star Liner capsule carrying an instrumented astronaut test dummy 630 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:12,279 Speaker 1: nicknamed Rosie. I wonder how they got that is on 631 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 1: track for launch on Friday on an unpiloted test flight 632 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,240 Speaker 1: to the International Space Station. Mission managers said on Tuesday, 633 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,880 Speaker 1: So a big development for Boeing star Liner capsule and 634 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:26,400 Speaker 1: commercial space travel. Hey, I'll go bowing. If you're listening, 635 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,799 Speaker 1: send me to space. I'm happy to go. That does 636 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,400 Speaker 1: it for me. Thank you to Brendan Buck. Thank you 637 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:34,360 Speaker 1: to Al Matter on impeachment. Full coverage tomorrow. I'm Kevin Sirelli, 638 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,400 Speaker 1: Chief Washington correspondent Fromloomberg Television and Bloomberg Radio. Al you 639 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,840 Speaker 1: have fun, to Bloomberg