1 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stephane. 2 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:19,159 Speaker 1: Never told you protection of I Heeart Radio. Samantha, have 3 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:22,079 Speaker 1: you ever wanted to dye your hair? Well, I didn't 4 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 1: necessarily want to dye my hair. I wanted my hair 5 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: to be different colors, if that makes sense. Like I 6 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: wished it was a different color. But I've never tried 7 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 1: or wanted to dyet just because I know of the 8 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:37,239 Speaker 1: pain it is, and because I was so scared of 9 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 1: my Asian heritage, as in like I didn't want to 10 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 1: be Asian, that dyeing your hair was so Asian American 11 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:46,199 Speaker 1: thing to do in my head. That didn't want to 12 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: be that stereotype, which is also a very big reflection 13 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:53,200 Speaker 1: of my own self hate in my ethnicity. So yeah, 14 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: weird answer to that question. I mean, it's it can 15 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: be very complicated. I also wish my hair was a 16 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: different color. For a long time, I felt like my 17 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 1: hair was very boring and bland, and I wanted I 18 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: think I ran the gamut of like one time I 19 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,759 Speaker 1: really wanted blonde hair and I got blonde highlights. One 20 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 1: time I I did die my hair black and it 21 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:21,680 Speaker 1: was a disaster, and then one time I got red highlights, 22 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 1: So I've never professionally got my hair like completely died, 23 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 1: but I have done highlights, and I've definitely done like 24 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: cheap kind of temporary you know, bright blue or bright 25 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: pink or white. When I dressed as rogue one time, 26 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 1: that was also a disaster. But I wanted to bring 27 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 1: that up because today we are talking about red headed 28 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 1: women and this is actually a listener suggestion that we 29 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: got from Wendy, So thanks Wendy, and we wanted to 30 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: read their message. I've been reflecting on the fetishizing of 31 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: redheads and how it's impacted me as a woman my 32 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: whole life. I've had men tell me from as young 33 00:01:58,000 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 1: as six that my hair color would get me in 34 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 1: trouble and to watch out for boys. Women would automatically 35 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: either be threatened by the quote sexuality of my hair 36 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: and treat me with contempt. Around their significant other men 37 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 1: would ask us the carpet, match the drapes with a smirk, 38 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 1: or make comments about redheads having bad tempers. Redheads are 39 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: super freaking the bedroom always being treated as a price 40 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: to be one or something to be checked off a 41 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 1: bucket list. I can't tell you the amount of times 42 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:24,079 Speaker 1: strangers have touched my hair in public or go out 43 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: of their way to say something about it, even going 44 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: as far as following me around the grocery store. I 45 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 1: resented my hair for all these reasons and have died 46 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: it in the past and was met with a lot 47 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: of pushback from other people, as if it was their 48 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 1: hair I died, not my own. Why would you do 49 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 1: that to your beautiful hair? It should be natural. I've 50 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: suffered from sexual abuse way too many times, and now 51 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: I wonder if that wouldn't have happened if I had 52 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: a different hair color. At the end of the day, 53 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:48,639 Speaker 1: I wish I had regular hair so I can have 54 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 1: some peace from constantly being reminded that I'm the center 55 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: of someone else's fantasy. And yeah, there's a lot to 56 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 1: unpack there, and researching this episode, a lot of people, 57 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 1: in this case women, men who have red hair reported 58 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: very similar experiences. And one of my best friends, Katie, 59 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 1: who has been on this show, she has red hair. Um, 60 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 1: a very very red and very curly red hair, and 61 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:16,519 Speaker 1: we've been friends since since we were about like eight 62 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 1: or nine. We've known each other longer than that, but um, 63 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 1: we didn't like each other at first, I did want 64 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: to be redheaded, mostly because of comic books, because there 65 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: are a lot of like beautiful, powerful redheads and comic books. 66 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 1: And I did get the red highlights. I don't know 67 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: that I pulled them off, and the person who gave 68 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: them to me, she made me walk outside and like 69 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 1: see what it looked like in the sunlight. To this day, 70 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: I don't know if that sound was a good sound 71 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 1: or bad sound that she made, but do you need 72 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: I did feel very weird, like I felt like a 73 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 1: faker in a way I didn't when I got blonde highlights. 74 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 1: And I wonder if it's because it's sort of more 75 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: acceptable or common to get blonde highlights. There's still judgment 76 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: that goes in there, for sure, but like red hair 77 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: is much rarer. I don't know. Oh, it was just bizarre. 78 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: It was kind of embarrassed by it, even then that 79 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: I was getting these red highlights. And we talked about 80 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: the power of red as a color in a past episode. 81 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: And I do think in entertainment it is either meant 82 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: to imply fiery, sexy or awkward, and not much in between, 83 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:20,040 Speaker 1: especially for women. Although yeah, we're gonna be talking about 84 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:24,160 Speaker 1: redheaded men and the stereotypes around that making someone redheaded 85 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: and media feels like a choice. To me, it feels 86 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,480 Speaker 1: like you're trying to communicate something or you like going 87 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 1: back to the matrix. You know, the woman red it's 88 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 1: not red hair, but it was trying to communicate like 89 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 1: sexiness and it's eye catching and all that stuff. We've 90 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 1: also done episodes on the power, symbolism and sexualization of 91 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: hair on women, something churches often required to be covered 92 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: or tied back, associated with sex, infertility, and also, yeah, 93 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: just to be clear, there are stereotypes associated with all 94 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:54,280 Speaker 1: hair colors, and past host Kristen and Caroline did an 95 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: episode looking into that, but today we aren't talking about redheads. 96 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: There you go. So only about two percent of the 97 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: world's population have a red hair, about one forty million people, 98 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: although some surveys suggest that number might actually be a 99 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: lot lower. The highest percentage of redheads are in Scotland, 100 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 1: where they account for about of the population. Red hair 101 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 1: is the result of a genetic mutation. Both parents have 102 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 1: to be carrying a mutated MC one our gene, a 103 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 1: mutation that dates back to Asia between three to four 104 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: thousand years ago, or at least that has been the belief. 105 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: More recent research indicates up to eight genes could be 106 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: involved in this right. And while redheads exist worldwide, it 107 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 1: is more common in northern latitudes because it is an 108 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:43,599 Speaker 1: adaptation to absorb more vitamin D with less sunlight. So yes, 109 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 1: redheads are typically fair skinned folks that do burn more 110 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: easily in sunlight and are more prone skin cancer because 111 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: of that. So that makes a lot of sense, but 112 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: not always, no, not always. Um, you can find red 113 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: hair pretty much anywhere. And also there's a lot of 114 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 1: conflicting studies about pain tolerance and redheads and also tolerance 115 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 1: to heat and cold. That's not really what we're talking 116 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: about today, but their research does exist if you're curious 117 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:11,280 Speaker 1: and you want to look into it. Okay, So stereotypes, 118 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: there are all kinds of tropes and stereotypes around red hair. 119 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 1: That it means you're fiery, or you have a short temper, 120 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 1: that you've got the devil in you, that you're better 121 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: in bed, that you're temperamental and or crazy, and a 122 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: lot of articles about what it's like having red hair. 123 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: People wrote about some more things to what Wendy was 124 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: talking about, um asking you if that's your natural hair, color, 125 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:30,839 Speaker 1: telling you to never diet, asking if the carpet matches 126 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: the drapes, saying firecrotch u redheaded step child, joking that 127 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 1: you have no soul, asking if it's true what they 128 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:41,280 Speaker 1: say about redheads, asking where you're from, assuming you're irish. 129 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 1: Some of these stereotypes have a long history behind them, 130 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: especially when it comes to ideas around sexuality and witchcraft. 131 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:51,479 Speaker 1: In ancient Egypt, redheads may have been believed to be 132 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:55,159 Speaker 1: which is or evil. The ancient Greeks depicted two groups 133 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 1: that cause them trouble, the Scythians and three Seans, as violent, brutish, 134 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:02,040 Speaker 1: and redheaded, the Celt's fault hard against the ancient room 135 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 1: and Empire's expansion north, and the ancient Romans depicted them 136 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: as redheads in their art and documents. The Bible's Judas 137 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: was often portrayed as a redhead as a way to 138 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 1: other him from the other dark haired apostles, and perhaps 139 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 1: as an anti Semitic touch, especially later, and this solidified 140 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 1: a connection between redheads and villains for a lot of folks, 141 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 1: especially this Judas thing, especially that Michelangelo's work at the 142 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: Sistine Chapel depict sinful Eve as a redhead. Mary Magdalen 143 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: was often depicted as a red head too, and some 144 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: think that's because of her sexual experience. One of the 145 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:40,559 Speaker 1: oldest surviving Norse documents describes Thor as a redhead quick 146 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: to anger, as compared to his father, Odd was calm 147 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: and wise and blonde. As a part of these stereotypes, 148 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: some historical figures were depicted having red hair when they 149 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: actually didn't to kind of say like, oh, they were 150 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 1: fierce or angry or something like that. Yeah, And obviously 151 00:07:56,880 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 1: these stereotypes have had painful, deadly consequences. When the European 152 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 1: witch hunts reached their peak during the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries, 153 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 1: many women were killed for suspected witchcraft just for being redheaded. 154 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: On top of that, like we discussed in our Power 155 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 1: of Red episode, red is often used to denote danger 156 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: or as of warning, So blood fire stop signs. All 157 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 1: of that. Yes, and a lot of redheads. And I 158 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:24,679 Speaker 1: was researching this brought up a two thousand five South 159 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 1: Park episode called Ginger Kids, which I have seen this. 160 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: In this episode, Cartman gives a class presentation on gingers, 161 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,719 Speaker 1: which he describes as pale skin, redheaded people, people he 162 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: believes are affected with ginger vitis. On top of that, 163 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 1: he thinks gingers are disgusting, unable to walk in sunlight, 164 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: and aren't human and have no souls. Cartman's friend Kyle, 165 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: attempts to prove him wrong, um Kyle's redhead No, don't 166 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: really see his hair um, and gives a counterpresentation and 167 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: pointing out that red hair is genetic, and goes to 168 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 1: visit a family with redheaded children born from parents who 169 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: carried the recessive gene but weren't red headed themselves. To 170 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 1: Kyle's suck, the parents share Cartman's views, and the dad 171 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 1: tells them that marrying an Asian woman is the one 172 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 1: way to make sure the gene doesn't get passed down. 173 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:10,679 Speaker 1: Cartman doubles down, using the Bible and this holder just 174 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 1: thing to back up his claims and causing the school 175 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: at large to turn on redheads, deciding they need to 176 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: teach him a lesson. Kyle and stand die Cartman's hair 177 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 1: red without his knowledge, lightness, skin, and add freckle tatues, 178 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:24,319 Speaker 1: callsing Cartman to believe he has a case of gingeridis. 179 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: A trip to the doctor ends with the doctor suggesting 180 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 1: to Cartman's mother that he be quote put down when 181 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 1: the mocking of his hair and skin it pushes him 182 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 1: too far. He creates the Gingers separatist movement and calls 183 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:37,239 Speaker 1: on other red has to join him to fight persecution 184 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 1: and to become the master race. Cartman persuades the other 185 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 1: Ginger kids that they need to kill all non Gingers, 186 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: so they capture the town's non Ginger people and prepare 187 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: to sacrifice them, starting with Kyle, who is what Cartman 188 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,559 Speaker 1: calls a day walker or a half red head. Kyle 189 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: reveals to Cartman that Cartman is in fact not a Ginger, 190 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: that it was a prank all along. Cartman, now concerned 191 00:09:57,559 --> 00:09:59,839 Speaker 1: for his own safety, declares that the Gingers need to 192 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 1: of in harmony with non Gingers. As you can probably 193 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 1: tell from the description, the episode caused some controversy, even 194 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: leading to the creation of National Kick of Ginger Day 195 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: in two thousand and eight, and a handful of students 196 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 1: were assaulted, and in Canada it was investigated as a 197 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: hate crime. Yeah. Apparently, Soft Park creators Matt Stone and 198 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: Trey Parker were partially inspired to do this episode after 199 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:24,680 Speaker 1: they saw billboard in England with a picture of a 200 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 1: redheaded woman that read only you can prevent ginger. Parker 201 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:31,679 Speaker 1: also apparently broke up with a woman with red hair 202 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: because he didn't want redheaded children, and married an Asian 203 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 1: woman in part to make sure that he didn't have 204 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 1: any redheaded children. That's gross all around. Okay, studies have 205 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 1: found that redheaded children do experience low self esteem and 206 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: feelings of being the center of attention based on their hair. Yes, so, um, 207 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 1: let's talk about some fetishizing, sexualizing, and some troopes. So 208 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: when I was researching this, the first Google suggestion I 209 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: got was facts about redheads bed. Some European studies have 210 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 1: found that redheaded women have more sex than blonder, brown 211 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 1: haired women on average on an average week. But a 212 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 1: lot of stuff I found online was treating having sex 213 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 1: with a redheaded woman as a notch on your belt, 214 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 1: like a conquest of markoff, like Wendy was describing at 215 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:17,439 Speaker 1: the top, especially a redhead with blue eyes, which is 216 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 1: apparently the rarest combination. And yeah, this fiery redhead trope 217 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 1: is everywhere. You've got Ginger from Gilligan's Island, you've got 218 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: Lily Potter and Jenny Weasley, and then on the other side, 219 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 1: of that, you have Fred and George representing the kind 220 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 1: of male redheaded clown stereotype, which we're gonna talk about 221 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 1: in a second. Um, And yeah, so much. In comics, 222 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 1: it's got Scarlet Witch, Mary, Jane Parker, Jean Gray, Natasha 223 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 1: Room and Off, Poison Ivy, Jessica Rabbit, Joan Harris, Slash 224 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:46,599 Speaker 1: Holloway from Madman, Gemma Doyle, Rowena from Supernatural, Sarah c. 225 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: Willow from Buffy. So some of this is like the 226 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 1: witch stereotype as well. Lucile Ball, Pippi's longstocking, Annie and 227 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 1: Green Gables, Meridith from Brave. Um, there's a whole scene 228 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 1: where her mother covers her hair but a curl exclusive 229 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: it's symbolizing her untamable, wild, fiery, rebellious nature. And then 230 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 1: there's this quote from The Show Girls that girl wears 231 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 1: floor Kapris like her him is still attack but she's 232 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:11,439 Speaker 1: such a slut in such a big way, a huge way. 233 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 1: She used to do this thing where she would literally 234 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:16,679 Speaker 1: just rip the condom off of redhead. Seriously, I know redheads, right, 235 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 1: And yeah, we talked about that too, And like, what 236 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: was that movie season Surrounded and Share, which is of 237 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: Eastwick yes, we're in a lot of material like this. 238 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:29,199 Speaker 1: There is like the blonde, the brunette in the Redhead, 239 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 1: and I was thinking of like kind of counter examples 240 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: because I was thinking about Sex in the City Samantha, 241 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 1: and I'm like, she doesn't really seem to fit this trope, 242 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: and then she has to temper though she does. So 243 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 1: I feel like there's so double whammy because yeah, you 244 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: have those characters that could be really fine, but then 245 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 1: you also see as the childhood innocence. Weirdly enough, because 246 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 1: Annie green Gables and Annie and people long Stocking were 247 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 1: endearing young mischievous children and curious children, but not necessarily 248 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 1: they were nothing sexual about them, So I think it's 249 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 1: and they one did have a really fiery temper, the 250 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:07,199 Speaker 1: other two didn't. So it's kind of like, and I've 251 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 1: seen that as those two trips with like you see 252 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 1: it as young children, immature children, which can be bad 253 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 1: for men. I'm sure we're gonna talk about that, but 254 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: that kind of level too. Yeah, Yeah, it kind of 255 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:20,319 Speaker 1: goes back to what I was saying, where it feels 256 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: like a choice, and the choice seems to be that 257 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 1: you are you've got fire in you, which I suppose 258 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 1: makes sense with the color, but is kind of troublesome, 259 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 1: problematic when that's all you see. But yeah, so. Meanwhile, 260 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 1: for dudes, the redhead trip usually means clownish, goofy, weak, ugly, 261 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 1: and or awkward. Right, so, redhead Tom Robbins wrote in 262 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: a n g Q essay quote, the harsh truth is 263 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:48,559 Speaker 1: most red haired men look like blondes who spoiled from 264 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 1: lack of refrigeration. They look like brown haired men who've 265 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 1: been composted. Yet that same pigment that on a man 266 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:57,839 Speaker 1: can resemble leaf mold or young yard rust a woman 267 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: wears like a tiara of rubies. A nineteen seventy eight 268 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 1: study into stereotypes around hair color found that men preferred blondes, 269 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: while women preferred dark haired men and reported disliking redheads. 270 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: Here is a quote. Researchers used an interview approach to 271 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 1: discover the cause of hostility towards redheads. Participants generally believed 272 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 1: that redheads were known for their flaring tempers. Furthermore, other 273 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 1: stereotypes of redheads included clown, weird, and wimpy men. Generally, 274 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 1: people perceive individuals with brown hair as normal. Interestingly, people 275 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 1: perceived brunette women as more competent and intelligent than blondes 276 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: and redheads. Yeah, and I'm assuming the study was very 277 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: white and obviously very heteronormative and h there are a 278 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 1: lot of tones of discrimination involved when it comes to 279 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 1: prejudices against Irish folks often associated with red hair. But 280 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: that is a bigger conversation than the one we are 281 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 1: having today. I just know. I read a bunch of 282 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 1: stuff about that, and another study using the same photo 283 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: of a woman but with different color hair, found that 284 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 1: blondes would consist judged as having less intelligence and redheads 285 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 1: consistently described as temperamental. Yes, and some have argued that 286 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 1: the reason for this difference between the hyper sexualized, fiery, 287 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 1: red headed woman and the emasculated redheaded man has to 288 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 1: do with our societal fears around around both of those things, 289 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 1: around women's sexuality and men being effeminine in any way, 290 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: that it's a way of mothering whiteness and projecting onto them. 291 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 1: Depending on where you are, the term ginger maybe used 292 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 1: as an insult. Sometimes people call this gingerism, and there 293 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: have been a lot of debates had around that also. 294 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 1: That is outside the scope of this episode. But just 295 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 1: to say that does exist. For the most part, redheads 296 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 1: seemed to go through stages of relationships with their hair color, 297 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 1: starting usually with feeling special and then feeling ridiculed, feeling 298 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: sexualized or de sexualized, and then acceptance and kind of 299 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: a love of of their hair. But we wanted to 300 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: talk to a source. Um one of my very best friends, 301 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 1: Katie also known as Redheaded Katie, and some of my 302 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: circles that differentiate between the Katies in my life because 303 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 1: I have known her for a very long time. I 304 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: have several Katies in your life. I do have several 305 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: Katies in my life, and it gets very confusing. And yeah, 306 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: I have been with Katie for a long time as 307 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: in terms of like friendships, and we've gone into a 308 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: lot of like she's come to family reunions with me, Um, 309 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: we've traveled together, and so I've seen a lot of 310 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: this play out. But we wanted to talk to her. 311 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: So here is a quick interview with Katie. Katie, it's 312 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 1: so good to see you again, Addie. It's so good 313 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: to see you. It's been so long. It has been 314 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 1: it feels like it has been, yes, because you were 315 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 1: on the show a while back to talk about pandemic dating, 316 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 1: and we had a great conversation, and now we wanted 317 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: to bring you back about your experience being a redhead 318 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:07,359 Speaker 1: and particularly redheaded woman, dear, because this was a topic 319 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 1: that a listener requested and she had a lot of 320 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: her own thoughts and not so great experiences perhaps that 321 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: she shared with us, and I've been researching it and 322 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:21,399 Speaker 1: we thought we would ask you because you are a 323 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:26,640 Speaker 1: redheaded woman, I am yes, yes, And as I said 324 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: earlier in this episode, that's often how I differentiate you, 325 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:30,880 Speaker 1: because I have a lot of Katie's in my life. 326 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 1: I will call you redheaded Katie. So if you could 327 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:38,479 Speaker 1: just tell us how your experience has been, especially if 328 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 1: it's changed over the years, of like how being redheaded 329 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 1: impacted you as a child and then as you moved 330 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: into adulthood, if there's been any changes at all, Well, 331 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:50,879 Speaker 1: it definitely affected me as a child, And when you 332 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 1: told me you were doing a red headed episode, I 333 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:54,640 Speaker 1: was trying to think about this a lot. Like as 334 00:17:54,680 --> 00:18:00,239 Speaker 1: a kid, I definitely felt defined by red hair as 335 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 1: a child because it was the first thing people would 336 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:05,360 Speaker 1: say when they saw me. That's one of my earliest 337 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: memories as people being like, oh, red hair, curly red hair. Oh, 338 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 1: you know, and I kind of learned to associate that 339 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 1: with myself, if that makes any sense. So when I 340 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 1: picture myself in my head, it was just like a 341 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: big ball of red hair, and like that was the 342 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 1: thing kids tease me about growing up, and that was 343 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 1: also the thing. It was just the first thing people noticed. 344 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 1: So it's definitely how I defined myself for a very 345 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 1: long time. And then, you know, becoming a teenager, I 346 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:39,120 Speaker 1: think it became more sexualized of you know, I got 347 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:42,119 Speaker 1: the question to do the carpet match the drapes? You know, 348 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: got that question a lot, which was just horrifying back then, 349 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:50,879 Speaker 1: and now as an adult, I'd say it definitely I 350 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 1: still get the stereotypes, you know, people assuming things that 351 00:18:56,600 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 1: I have a temper, or that I'm why old in 352 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:05,880 Speaker 1: bed or so. Yeah, i'd say that it's definitely painted 353 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: my experience throughout my entire life. Yeah. And I've known 354 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: you for quite a while as we as we talked about, 355 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:17,919 Speaker 1: and I've seen these things and these comments people have 356 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: given you, And that's something else that a lot of 357 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 1: interviews and articles and listeners have written in about. It's 358 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 1: kind of like people feeling really comfortable to make comments 359 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 1: about your hair, assumptions about your hair, or touch your hair, 360 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 1: or like telling you not to dyet or like asking 361 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:43,160 Speaker 1: you if you did diet if it's your natural hair. Absolutely, 362 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 1: and I've had hair people refused to dye my hair. 363 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 1: I feel like, really, yeah, we're not going to do it, 364 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 1: just straight up refused, which is nice because it'll be like, 365 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:53,880 Speaker 1: it's such a pretty color, We're not going to press 366 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: that up for you. And I appreciate that, But sometimes 367 00:19:56,000 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 1: I'm just like, you know, dye my damn hair right, right, 368 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:04,920 Speaker 1: because that's like I can't imagine that happening in too 369 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 1: many other cases. If you want to dye your hair 370 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 1: somebody being like no, no, no, not because it was 371 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 1: like me when I wanted to dye my hair like black, 372 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 1: and they're like, you're gonna have to go through several 373 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 1: steps if it's advice, like that would look terrible on you. 374 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:23,199 Speaker 1: I think at one point I wanted to diet like 375 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:29,119 Speaker 1: blue with white tips. You know, she might have saved 376 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 1: me there. Yes, So you did mention some of the 377 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 1: stereotypes that you've gotten of, like you know, feeling are 378 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:41,239 Speaker 1: people saying stuff like fiery and then people assuming you're 379 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:44,159 Speaker 1: wild in bed. When I was researching this, those are 380 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 1: two the very first things that came up when Google 381 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:50,439 Speaker 1: was like did you mean this, and it was things 382 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 1: like yeah, wire it had so angry or wire right, 383 00:20:56,720 --> 00:21:01,439 Speaker 1: had so wild in bed? Or how to sleep at 384 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:04,920 Speaker 1: the right head, basically like conquests. Oh god, Yeah, I mean, 385 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:07,919 Speaker 1: is that something you've ever experienced, like feeling really sexualized 386 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:13,919 Speaker 1: or getting this unwanted sexual attention. Absolutely, especially as a 387 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:17,880 Speaker 1: teenager when I wasn't comfortable with my sexuality yet and 388 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,640 Speaker 1: I was still in that very vulnerable stage. That's when 389 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 1: I feel like I was sexualized most, which is in 390 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:31,639 Speaker 1: retrospect really disgusting. Um, but yeah, that's when people felt, 391 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 1: I guess most open to just ask me any type 392 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 1: of question or assume anything. But yeah, I mean I 393 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 1: get that all the time, the whole until you have 394 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 1: a temper, you know, and right are you wild? And 395 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 1: I'm just like, man, I'm a person, I don't know, 396 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 1: but yeah, I definitely have felt I mean, even now 397 00:21:55,840 --> 00:22:00,199 Speaker 1: being on tender and Bumble, It's still the thing that 398 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 1: I get the most comments on is oh, I love 399 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 1: your red hair. I love your red hair, and I 400 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 1: don't mind that, Like I don't want to sound spoiled 401 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 1: or like I don't like those compliments, because I definitely do. 402 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 1: It's just at some point it's felt like my hair 403 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 1: has become the focal point of my entire being, you 404 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: know what I mean? Right, going back to that defining you, 405 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,679 Speaker 1: but that especially, I mean I relate to that, especially 406 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 1: as a child, because that was the thing people always 407 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 1: called out. So I kind of just I kind of 408 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 1: just became red hair. Like I often think about who 409 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 1: would I be without it? I think I would be 410 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 1: completely different. I really do. Yeah, that's interesting because especially 411 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:46,920 Speaker 1: like you were talking about, and I think a lot 412 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,920 Speaker 1: of people when I was researching this talked about something 413 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,439 Speaker 1: similar when they were a child, especially of getting like 414 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 1: teased by kids but being told by adults like oh 415 00:22:56,760 --> 00:23:01,679 Speaker 1: it's so beautiful. Yeah. Absolutely, kids are mean kids. They 416 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 1: called they called me big fat, freckle faced in first 417 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: grade terrible. I remember one of my quote unquote friends 418 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: got the whole class to chant it at me, and 419 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 1: I started crying. That's awful. I wish I had been there, 420 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 1: even though I don't think we were friends. You probably, 421 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,959 Speaker 1: but I mean, kids can be cruel. So yeah, and 422 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:33,880 Speaker 1: then now now I think I feel it more as 423 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 1: a conquest. I also definitely feel like this weird expectation 424 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 1: of I have to live up to this idea that 425 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 1: I'm wild in bed, and it's like I'm not a 426 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 1: cold fish. But what if what if I don't meet 427 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 1: those expectations, like I'm going up against this super version 428 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 1: of myself? Mm hmmm mm hmm. Yeah. Yeah, that's a 429 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 1: good point. And it's especially if if I don't. I 430 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 1: don't have like any numbers or anything to back this up. 431 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,160 Speaker 1: But of people saying, you know, I feel fetishized or 432 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 1: it does become like it's just a conquest. Where do 433 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 1: you just just want to mark this off? Okay, I've 434 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:18,119 Speaker 1: had sex with the wild Redhead and that's not That 435 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: is a lot of pressure. That's not a great way 436 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:24,119 Speaker 1: to feel. It's really not great. I have kind of 437 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: a random question for you. Have you have you seen 438 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 1: or ever encountered the whole South Park episode about Ginger Vitus. Yeah, 439 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 1: it's been a long time, but yeah I remember that one. Yeah, 440 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 1: because a lot of people wrote in about how that 441 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,639 Speaker 1: impacted them as a kid, like people shouting, you know, 442 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 1: you have no soul or oh yeah, and I still 443 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 1: get that. I still get that like a pickup line 444 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:58,359 Speaker 1: of well, are you gonna take my soul? Or I know, 445 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 1: I'm just like, oh, man, come on, give me something 446 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 1: better to work with. But yeah, that's definitely And I 447 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,199 Speaker 1: think as a kid, it was probably worse because I 448 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 1: wasn't allowed to watch South Park, so I didn't even 449 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 1: I didn't know what it was referencing or anything. It 450 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 1: was just suddenly people were saying that to me, and 451 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 1: you know, like each freckle on my body is a 452 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 1: soul that I've stolen. And yeah, and that's That's another 453 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 1: thing I was thinking about, is I feel like in 454 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 1: our media there's a dichotomy of the sexy, fiery redhead 455 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:41,400 Speaker 1: who's usually a woman or a lady's yeah, the very 456 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 1: awkward clown who is the dude who's like de sexualized 457 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 1: on the opposite end. Yes, And then it's odd how 458 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 1: common it is, because I feel like when you in 459 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 1: our entertainment, at least, when you make someone redheaded, it 460 00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 1: is a choice, like you are communicating, oh, she is fery, 461 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 1: or with the dude, oh he's funny and has trouble, 462 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 1: like awkward getting I'm going to add one more layer 463 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,880 Speaker 1: to that and say, there are a lot of redheaded 464 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 1: villains too, a lot of redheaded stepchildren. I mean, I 465 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,919 Speaker 1: think of Disney movies, the bad character is always the 466 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 1: red head. Yeah, the evil character, the annoying, like mean 467 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:33,679 Speaker 1: bully character. Think about it. There's a lot there is. 468 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 1: I was also thinking about there's a lot of if 469 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 1: you just think about comics, there's a lot of like 470 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 1: redhead comics superheroes. For like the small percentage of redheads 471 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 1: that they were in the population, they were very represented, 472 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 1: and they have great bodies as well. What is that about? 473 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 1: Of course, of course they do. But did that when 474 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 1: it when you're growing up, and like even now, when 475 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 1: you see somebody has red hair, like man or woman, 476 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 1: do you have kind of like any knee jerk reactions 477 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 1: or thoughts. I mean, well, this is my personal joke, 478 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 1: but whenever I see another redhead, I I say to myself, 479 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,919 Speaker 1: I gotta fight him. I gotta I gotta fight him. 480 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 1: I gotta fight that, right, especially if it's a lady, 481 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 1: I gotta fighter No, I don't really, but yeah, it 482 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,440 Speaker 1: is kind of indeed jerk reaction of just oh, it's 483 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:32,440 Speaker 1: terrible but my immediate inclination is to be like another redhead, 484 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:38,439 Speaker 1: and that's terrible. I don't really know why. Um, I 485 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 1: guess because you know, you get so used to being 486 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,479 Speaker 1: singled out for it that you see another one and 487 00:27:44,520 --> 00:28:02,239 Speaker 1: it's like a weird competition almost ginger boys. And I'm 488 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:06,160 Speaker 1: allowed to say ginger because I am a redhead. Because 489 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 1: my brother is a redhead, I think, and I grew 490 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 1: up with him, and because we had a very contentious relationship, 491 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 1: I tend to not be attracted to redheaded men, and 492 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,120 Speaker 1: that I made a vow with myself a long time 493 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:21,119 Speaker 1: ago that I would never marry or procreate with a 494 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,400 Speaker 1: red headed man, which, knock on wood, everything I've said 495 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna do, I've done, so it could very 496 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:30,879 Speaker 1: well happen. But I definitely feel like a knee jerk. 497 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 1: I just no, just there's nothing there when I see 498 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 1: a redheaded guy, right, And that is something else I 499 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 1: kind of wanted to wrap up this whole conversation with 500 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 1: because you also have curly hair, yes, and I have. 501 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 1: You know, it's not it's not un normal. Normal is 502 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 1: not a word of it, but I'm using it to 503 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 1: I want to like change your hair, are are do 504 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 1: different things with your hair. I think a lot of 505 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 1: us go through that stage where I wanted curly hair. 506 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 1: At one point, I wanted to red hair, at one point, 507 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: I wanted to dye my hair all kinds of colors um. 508 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 1: And I've seen that in you as well, and a 509 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: lot of people I've I've researched about, which sounds so 510 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 1: weird because you're my friend and I keep talking about 511 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 1: all this research I've done, But I have said that 512 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 1: they kind of went through stages of, you know, being 513 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 1: the kid who had this sort of being defined by it, 514 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 1: and then getting older and if you're a woman, being 515 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:35,800 Speaker 1: sexualized by it, and then because of that, like wanting 516 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 1: to change your hair for some reason or feeling like 517 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 1: some kind of resentment around it, and then coming around 518 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 1: to you know, accepting it. And I don't know if 519 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 1: you've had a similar journey. I just know that, like recently, 520 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 1: you've gone with curly hair, and I'm just curious if 521 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 1: any of that resonates with you, if you've had a 522 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 1: similar kind of experience. Oh yeah, absolutely. I mean for 523 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 1: a long time, especially i'd probably say high school, I 524 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 1: really hated my hair and I hated its curliness. I 525 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 1: hated it's freeziness. But I didn't know how to style it, 526 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 1: and my mom didn't know how to style it, so 527 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 1: I just always put it up in this really awkward 528 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 1: ponytail with my really awkward glasses. Like it was a 529 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 1: whole nerdy food going on school. Quite the pair. But yeah, 530 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 1: I definitely I straightened my hair all the time. I 531 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 1: straightened it every day if I could. I hated the 532 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 1: curl and it took a long I mean it was 533 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 1: only recently. It was only really quarantine is when I 534 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 1: made the decision, Okay, I am not going to straighten 535 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 1: my hair anymore, because you know, then it was the 536 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 1: ugly phase was easier to hide because we were all inside. 537 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 1: But it definitely went through an adjustment ugly phase for sure. 538 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 1: But yeah, I definitely had to have like a reckoning 539 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 1: with my hair and just come to terms with it 540 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 1: being curly in red and embrace it a little bit. 541 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 1: And I think I have Yeah, that's great. Yeah, it's 542 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 1: only taken thirty two years, you know, to like my hair. 543 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 1: But it kind of sucks, you know, because still I 544 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 1: feel so defined by my hair that if it doesn't 545 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 1: look good and I mean this is everyone. I'm not 546 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 1: the only one who's like, if my hair doesn't look good, 547 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 1: look great, you know. But there's definitely a lot, a 548 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: lot of confidence and vanity and self worth tied into 549 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 1: my hair. Yeah, maybe more so than others. I can't 550 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 1: say that for sure, but maybe. Yeah. I mean that 551 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 1: makes sense to me because if if it is, you're 552 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 1: defining trait in a lot of ways of when people 553 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 1: see you, that's what they comment on, then it does 554 00:31:55,400 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 1: feel like a really a big attention getter. Yeah. Yeah, 555 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 1: it's just is it a bad thing? Is that a 556 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 1: bad thing to have your hair be? You're defining quality? 557 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 1: Like I feel like if you really go deep down 558 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:14,959 Speaker 1: into it, yes, I would say so too. I mean 559 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 1: a lot of people were saying that, like and kind 560 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 1: of what you said earlier. You know, I'm just a person. 561 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 1: We have these stereotypes about all kinds of hair colors, 562 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 1: like whether it's the dumb blonde stereotype or fornets. It's 563 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 1: usually like frudes but competent um. And there's you know, 564 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 1: varying levels of harmfulness at these stereotypes. But at the 565 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 1: end of the day, there's still stereotypes, And like we 566 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 1: are people, and hair color doesn't really right right. I 567 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 1: don't think redheads are actually angrier, and I don't think 568 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 1: they're actually more wild. And then we need to sell 569 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,720 Speaker 1: Google that we need to get Google in the case. Ye, 570 00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 1: and let me tell you how to sleep with the redhead. 571 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 1: I can tell you have a good sense of humor, 572 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,200 Speaker 1: make some jokes, you know, don't do any of the 573 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 1: crappy pickup lines, and whatever you do, don't ask about 574 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,920 Speaker 1: the carpet. And if you're going to say anything, just 575 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 1: just say you like the hair. Don't make it a 576 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 1: big thing. I think that's excellent advice. And I think 577 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:25,240 Speaker 1: I think you could probably put that advice to everyone, 578 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 1: like I can't. It's wild to me that people feel 579 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,480 Speaker 1: comfortable asking about that, Like why would you ask about 580 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,960 Speaker 1: someone's pubic air? I don't know. I know, especially in 581 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 1: high school when I was like, you know, horrified by 582 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 1: body hair and I didn't know what to do with it, 583 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,560 Speaker 1: and then some guy coming up to me and ask 584 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 1: me that. I was just like like what do I 585 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:52,479 Speaker 1: say here? Conversation killing? And now now I'm just like 586 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 1: I just look at him, like really, how old are you? 587 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 1: How old are you? And what am I doing here? 588 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 1: And how do I get out of this? Goodbye? Goodbye 589 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 1: sor yeah, I mean there's just a lot to unpack 590 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,200 Speaker 1: unpacked with that, because I can see how that would 591 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 1: turn into for me a kind of a negative association 592 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,359 Speaker 1: and feeling this is getting me attention I don't want 593 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:23,759 Speaker 1: and having that turn inwards. And I did go through 594 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:29,680 Speaker 1: that stage too, for sure, internalized it and tried to 595 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:33,839 Speaker 1: make myself smaller or you know, more mousey to not 596 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:37,040 Speaker 1: get that kind of attention, kind of a combat which 597 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:40,279 Speaker 1: that was. That was the only attention back then I 598 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:46,279 Speaker 1: was getting because I was so awkward and nerdy that 599 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 1: the only like sexualized attention I was getting was people 600 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:54,960 Speaker 1: asking about the carpet and the drapes, always that terminology 601 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:59,319 Speaker 1: as well, always, So it was just very I don't know. 602 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,040 Speaker 1: It made me feel very torn and I probably had 603 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:08,360 Speaker 1: to work through some weird issues because of that, for sure. 604 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:13,200 Speaker 1: For sure. Well, I was gonna ask, do you have 605 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:21,400 Speaker 1: a favorite, uh like fictional character that has red hair? Oh? Um, 606 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:27,040 Speaker 1: of course I'm blanking on every fictional character now, I'm 607 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:31,560 Speaker 1: sure I do. I there's name some red headed characters 608 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,239 Speaker 1: for me. All I can think of is Blossom from 609 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 1: the Powerpuff Girls, and she was not my favorite power 610 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,480 Speaker 1: puff girl. Who is your favorite power puff Girl? I 611 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:46,520 Speaker 1: really liked Bubbles, Okay, Buttercup was okay, Like I like 612 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,280 Speaker 1: that she was tough, But I guess I liked Bubbles. 613 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 1: I mean, Blossom was just so she was kind of bossy. Yeah, 614 00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,040 Speaker 1: well that's an interesting thing too, is I feel like 615 00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 1: I'm in a lot of media we consume there's always 616 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:05,960 Speaker 1: like the blonde, the brunette, the redheads, sometimes the personal 617 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,600 Speaker 1: black hair, and they do have kind of these stereotypes 618 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,719 Speaker 1: that we associate with I find very funny. But Bubbles 619 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:16,920 Speaker 1: is kind of a great example of like the ditzy blond. 620 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,720 Speaker 1: But I mean, I love Bob, but that's just another 621 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:25,080 Speaker 1: example of that. Oh it even works more into the stereotype, 622 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:29,839 Speaker 1: doesn't And Buttercup is really tough with her black hair. 623 00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:39,279 Speaker 1: Examples of redheads being kind of the bossy of that 624 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,840 Speaker 1: like hair dynamic, because I was thinking of some that 625 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,120 Speaker 1: don't necessarily fit the trope, but they almost always have 626 00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:50,920 Speaker 1: like a temperament, like a temperamental or fiery or something 627 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:55,680 Speaker 1: something defined by that quality for sure. Yes, yes, I 628 00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:57,840 Speaker 1: really can't think of any other redheads. This is driving 629 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,920 Speaker 1: me crazy. Well I could, I can list a fee. 630 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:02,839 Speaker 1: But you like to eat a green Gables going up? 631 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,600 Speaker 1: Didn't you anna green Gables? I My mom read that 632 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:08,560 Speaker 1: to me growing up. So it's like a kind of 633 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:12,960 Speaker 1: a nostalgia thing. But I was never like I never 634 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:19,040 Speaker 1: really related to her or felt a kin chip with Anne. Unfortunately, 635 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,400 Speaker 1: she was very dreamy. She like she was such a dreamer. 636 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:32,279 Speaker 1: I don't know, child, how dare you? Well, there's a 637 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,040 Speaker 1: bunch of like comic book characters, as I said, you 638 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:39,960 Speaker 1: got your casp characters in Harry Potter. Uh, a bunch 639 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,799 Speaker 1: of witches. A bunch of witches have red hair. That's 640 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:48,880 Speaker 1: another trope, the red hair. Um, that one makes sense 641 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:54,480 Speaker 1: to me. It seems about right. Well, that's okay. I 642 00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:58,520 Speaker 1: was just checking if there was one that you were like, ah, this, 643 00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:03,960 Speaker 1: this character. Didn't Kim Possible have red hair? I never 644 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:07,880 Speaker 1: watched Kim Possible. But this is going off the rails. 645 00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:11,600 Speaker 1: She was supposed to be kind of bad, so maybe 646 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:15,560 Speaker 1: her like that. How about I Got you? I Got 647 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:22,000 Speaker 1: you Sortia from Willow movie. That's a good one. That's 648 00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:29,319 Speaker 1: a good one. Yeah, yeah, it was awesome. Maybe like 649 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:34,480 Speaker 1: two people that will get that. Yeah, two people will 650 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,239 Speaker 1: get that one. And then you named a character I'm 651 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,279 Speaker 1: a show you've never seen, but all right, cool, I'm 652 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,359 Speaker 1: great at this. Yes. Now. The thing is is I 653 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:46,120 Speaker 1: looked up before because looking up costumes for Dragon Con, 654 00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:51,600 Speaker 1: I just googled like redheaded characters and there there's like 655 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,839 Speaker 1: a whole list. What's the one I always get Jessica Rabbit. Yeah, 656 00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,319 Speaker 1: I always get Jessica Rabbit. Every single guy I've ever 657 00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:04,799 Speaker 1: talked to Jessica Rabbit when you ask for costume suggestions, yes, 658 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,520 Speaker 1: or just talking about Halloween or anything of that sort. 659 00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:11,920 Speaker 1: Will you be just a rabbit? Were you ever just 660 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:19,080 Speaker 1: a rabbit? Yeah? And she's super sexualized for she was 661 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:23,480 Speaker 1: an awakening for a lot of people. I think that 662 00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:25,840 Speaker 1: movie terrified me, so I haven't seen it since. But 663 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,000 Speaker 1: oh it's horrifying. One of the most horrifying movies. It's 664 00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:32,240 Speaker 1: up there with Watership Down. I'm never going to watch again. 665 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:36,960 Speaker 1: That's also a huge That is a cartoon, British cartoon 666 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:41,719 Speaker 1: from the seventies listeners and it is terrifying, horrifying. Nine 667 00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:47,480 Speaker 1: years but yes, well that's pretty telling to I do 668 00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,839 Speaker 1: have one more thing I want to say that kind 669 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:54,280 Speaker 1: of pain. In my experience as a redhead is dad 670 00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,120 Speaker 1: did not do me any of My dad's a redhead 671 00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,279 Speaker 1: as well, and he did not do any favors and 672 00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,560 Speaker 1: telling me when I was very very young, and you 673 00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,160 Speaker 1: know this, I've told you this, he told me that 674 00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:09,200 Speaker 1: all redheads were aliens, are part alien. And I believed 675 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:15,759 Speaker 1: that for an embarrassing amount of time because he was like, 676 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:21,799 Speaker 1: redheads are weird, Katie, We're a weird but and I 677 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:26,120 Speaker 1: really like it. Definitely painted how I looked at other 678 00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:30,600 Speaker 1: redheads too. I still have a little bit of ingrained 679 00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:32,680 Speaker 1: in me of when I see other people being like, 680 00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:36,960 Speaker 1: I know you're weird, I know you're weird. Is in 681 00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:41,600 Speaker 1: there alien or something? He probably didn't do me any 682 00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:45,279 Speaker 1: favors with that. Yeah, but here we are here, We 683 00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:50,160 Speaker 1: are here. We are on a podcast working through issues. Yep, 684 00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,400 Speaker 1: like we do free therapy, man, free therapy. That's what 685 00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,120 Speaker 1: I'm here for. That's what we're all here for. That's 686 00:40:56,120 --> 00:41:00,000 Speaker 1: why I'm your friend. The only reason for well perfect, 687 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,799 Speaker 1: We're not in the fame or you seeing each other 688 00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:08,239 Speaker 1: then like good friends do. Yes, Well, thank you so 689 00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:12,160 Speaker 1: much for for dropping by. You're welcome anytime. No, thank 690 00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,560 Speaker 1: you for having me. I can't wait to see you again. 691 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,799 Speaker 1: Yeah me, me too. Annie is always good talking to you. 692 00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,280 Speaker 1: So that brings us to the end of our interview 693 00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:25,000 Speaker 1: portion of this show. Um, we would love to hear 694 00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:29,960 Speaker 1: from any any listeners who have experiences with red hair 695 00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,160 Speaker 1: or any hair color at all. Really, we always hearing 696 00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,560 Speaker 1: from you. You can email us at stuff Media, mom 697 00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,960 Speaker 1: Stuff at i heeart media dot com, and find us 698 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,000 Speaker 1: on Twitter at mom Stuff podcast or on Instagram at 699 00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,279 Speaker 1: stuff I Never Told You. Thanks as always to our 700 00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,440 Speaker 1: super producer Christina, Thank you, and thanks to you for 701 00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,319 Speaker 1: listening Stuff I Never Told You his production, but I 702 00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,359 Speaker 1: Heart Radio. 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