1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:04,560 Speaker 1: The Team forty seven podcast is sponsored by Good Ranchers. 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 2: Making the American Farm Strong Again. 3 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: Team forty seven with Clay and Buck starts Now, you've got. 4 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:18,760 Speaker 3: Hiring stalled US economy out of twenty two thousand jobs 5 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 3: in August, a little bit of a summer slow down, 6 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 3: but no big deal. Don't panic. It's all gonna be fine. 7 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 3: No pannikins, Clay allowed. We have a no Pannikins policy. 8 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 3: I might have to get a no panicins sign whenever 9 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:32,840 Speaker 3: we talk about the economy. You surely don't panic. Mister 10 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 3: Clay over there telling everybody when the market was getting 11 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:40,240 Speaker 3: shell ACKed earlier this year, don't don't run for the lifeboats, 12 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 3: stay on the icon of the seas or whatever your 13 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 3: preferred vessel is, and you'll be fine. So Clay, do 14 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:49,279 Speaker 3: you do you see any I got something else we're 15 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 3: going to dive into in a second, but just your 16 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 3: quick reaction to jobs report. Where the economy is heading 17 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 3: right now, how it's all looking. 18 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 1: Jerome Powell was laid again and they're gonna cut rates 19 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:06,680 Speaker 1: in September. He was wrong in allowing the overall in 20 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: the overall inflation rate to get to nine point one. Sorry, 21 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: one percent during Biden. And I think the biggest issue 22 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: that Trump faces in terms of sort of vibe for 23 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: lack of a better way to describe it, is people 24 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: are still angry because prices went up so fast under Biden. 25 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: I mean to me, that is a lot of people 26 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 1: are out there and they're saying, well, prices haven't come 27 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: back down, and I think the challenge is prices never 28 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:35,199 Speaker 1: come back down. 29 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 2: Ever. 30 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:41,119 Speaker 1: This is the pernicious nature of inflation. Once prices go up, 31 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 1: they are inflated, and the new normal becomes whatever those 32 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: prices are. The best you can do is try to 33 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: get back to normalcy. And we are back to normalcy. 34 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: But trust me, I've been saying this for years. Every 35 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: time I go through a fast food restaurant drive through 36 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: with my kids, Chick fil A is usually our preferred place. 37 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: The amount of money that it costs me makes me 38 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: shake my head. It doesn't feel right, and people have 39 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 1: sort of internal calculators in their head for what something 40 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 1: should cost. Coffee in the morning, a trip to a 41 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: fast food restaurant with your kids, a pizza, and all 42 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 1: of it is wildly out of sorts with what it 43 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: should have been if Biden hadn't gotten elected and screwed 44 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 1: up everything. So I think there's a lingering hangover effect, 45 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 1: for lack of a better way of describing it, for 46 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:35,239 Speaker 1: the massive run up and inflation that we saw, and 47 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 1: it's going to take years for people to recognize that 48 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: things start to feel normal again. 49 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 2: Does that make sense? And so I think that's going 50 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 2: to be going on. 51 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 3: Even if what you say, and I think what you 52 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 3: say on this is correct, even if it's economically true, 53 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 3: it can still be politically a problem. 54 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:52,799 Speaker 2: Right. 55 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 3: It is Trump's economy now, so the Democrats are going 56 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 3: to try to pounce on this. They don't care that Biden. 57 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 3: It's like blaming the like Republicans are good blame when 58 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 3: the debts thirty seven trillion dollars, but when it was 59 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 3: thirty six point five trillion, Democrats had no problem. 60 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: Right. 61 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 3: I mean, there's gonna be some of that gamesmanship going 62 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 3: on here. But bottom line is, I think the economy 63 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 3: is still very strong, going to better places, and I 64 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 3: am I am optimistic. Although I will say we didn't 65 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:20,119 Speaker 3: discuss this. The Trump team looking at tariffs, or rather 66 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 3: the Supreme Court is supposed to look at tariff's Trump 67 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 3: team had an appeals decision that went against them, and 68 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 3: now there's the possibility that this tariff stuff may be 69 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 3: undone by judges saying the president doesn't have the authority. 70 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 3: That's a mess. That's a mess. So I don't know 71 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 3: what that's gonna do. But this is in the are 72 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 3: we really we really want to see what happens if 73 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 3: almost a trillion dollars in collected money? What are we 74 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 3: going to give it back to these countries? 75 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 2: It's crazy. So we'll see. 76 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 1: You're listening to Team forty seven with Clay and Buck. 77 00:03:53,720 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 3: A kinetic strike on a suspected NARCO vessel ARCO terrorist 78 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 3: vessel making its way through the Caribbean to some transshipment 79 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 3: point to bring most likely fentanyl but could be cocaine, fentanyl, 80 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 3: a whole bunch of different things on that boat into 81 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:18,039 Speaker 3: the United States. And Pete Hegseth, who's a Secretary of 82 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:22,119 Speaker 3: Defense and whom Clay and I know personally pretty well. 83 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 3: He spoke about this because there is Look, there's just 84 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:29,160 Speaker 3: some facts that to be aware of it. This is 85 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 3: an escalation. We've never done this before. This is so 86 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 3: it is new. This is not business as usual in 87 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 3: fighting that cartels We've never been in a position where 88 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 3: we've used an immediate lethal force on a non immediate 89 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:49,840 Speaker 3: cartel or non immediate you know, drug trafficking threat. Here 90 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:54,359 Speaker 3: is Secretary of Defense Hegseth speaking exactly about this or 91 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 3: inspecific about this, this situation Plate twenty. 92 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 2: Legal authority did the not in both two strike fat. 93 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 4: Boat full of drugs not this. We have the absolute 94 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 4: and complete authority to conduct that. First of all, just 95 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 4: the defense of the American people alone. One hundred thousand 96 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 4: Americans were killed each year under the previous administration because 97 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 4: of an open border and an open drug traffic flow. 98 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 4: That is an assault on the American people. I said, 99 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 4: we smoked the drug boat, and there's eleven narco terrace 100 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 4: at the bottom of the ocean, and when other people 101 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 4: try to do that, they're going to beat the same faith. 102 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:30,239 Speaker 2: What do you make of it, Clay? 103 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: I think the question is how do we solve the 104 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: issue of fentanyl coming across our southern border in particular, 105 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 1: but also increasingly northern border. It's getting into the country. 106 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 1: The drug war has failed. I think most of you 107 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:51,159 Speaker 1: out there recognize the drug war has failed. When I 108 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:53,239 Speaker 1: was younger, and I think you were in this camp. 109 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 5: Buck. 110 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: My inclination was just to say we should legalize more drugs, 111 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: we should spend less money fighting against it. But these 112 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 1: drugs are so strong and so many relatively young people 113 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:10,359 Speaker 1: otherwise of good health are dying from them that I 114 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: don't think we can allow it into our country. One 115 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 1: hundred thousand people a year, again overwhelmingly in their teens, twenties, thirties, forties, 116 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:23,599 Speaker 1: people with decades of healthy life to go are dying 117 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: from these drugs. So what do we have to change. 118 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: We need a game changing element to truly alter things, 119 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: because what we're doing right now, frankly, isn't working. 120 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:36,279 Speaker 2: Now. 121 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 1: Securing the southern border is a huge part of this. 122 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: We have now done that, it appears there still is 123 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 1: a lot of fentanyl coming into the country. And I 124 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 1: talked about reading a big story from the New York 125 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:50,840 Speaker 1: Times about how incredibly sophisticated the cartels have become when 126 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: it comes to getting illegal drugs. I mean, they have submarines, 127 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:59,039 Speaker 1: submarines for a long time to clay, they're using drones, 128 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 1: and they've been using drones at the border for surveillance 129 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: of our border patrol and and even sometimes to do 130 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: dropsy and part of the problem. And you know, I 131 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: used to going back a long time ago, I used 132 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 1: to occasionally spend some time with the NYPD CO located 133 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: with DEA, and we'd obviously, when you're sitting with DEA, guys, 134 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 1: what are you talk to them about drug cartel stuff? 135 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 2: Right? 136 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 3: You know, they were there just in case we needed 137 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 3: them as a liaison during the counter terrorism work. But 138 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 3: the things that we would talk about, the sophistication of 139 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 3: the cartels was was extremely high. And one of the 140 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 3: problems you have is even as seizures go up, so 141 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 3: as you get more of the illegal drugs, it's a 142 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 3: supply and demand curve, so price street price can go up. 143 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 3: So you have to, you know, keep in mind that 144 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 3: if you were to if we were to get one 145 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 3: and or if we were to get rather three out 146 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 3: of four drug loads and and take them out of circulation, 147 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 3: it's still probably be very profitable for the car tell 148 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 3: us to do what they're doing. That's the problem is 149 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 3: that you have this very steep economic analysis. I mean, 150 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 3: you brought this up in the context of if somebody 151 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 3: thinks that they can feed their family for a year, 152 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 3: are they going to are there going to be people 153 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 3: willing to risk twenty years in prison to bring a 154 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 3: few kilos of cocaine into this country on a fast boat, 155 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 3: or you know, fentanyl, whatever it may be. The answer 156 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 3: is yes. And for the cartels, even if there are 157 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 3: seizures of cartel product, they can still make a whole 158 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 3: lot of money if we were to double the level 159 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 3: of seizures. So this is the challenge in trying to 160 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 3: stop this stuff. There's a lot of money to be 161 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 3: made in this black market for drugs, which obviously is 162 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 3: killing a lot of Americans. 163 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 1: Well, I think the question I have and I don't 164 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: know the answer, but I think it's a worthy one 165 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 1: to contemplate and debate. Does blowing up a speedboat that 166 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 1: is filled with illegal drugs that reports are refused multiple 167 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: to stop, by the way, so this was not completely 168 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 1: without some sort of provocation. 169 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:09,839 Speaker 3: Can I add add to this, Clay. I think it's 170 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:13,199 Speaker 3: important we have this discussion because Reuters was reporting there 171 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 3: have been there's been a deployment of ten fighter jets 172 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 3: to Puerto Rico to fight against drug cartels. Now that 173 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:22,680 Speaker 3: hasn't been confirmed i think, by the administration yet, but 174 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 3: that's what the report that I saw on Reuters. Is 175 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 3: so the four they're now moving and four deploying more 176 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 3: assets that would be capable of doing these kind of strikes. 177 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:35,119 Speaker 2: So to your point, we better really. 178 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 3: Be clear on is this something we have a constitutional 179 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:41,959 Speaker 3: The president has a constitutional and legal authority, I mean 180 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 3: those are one of the same, but legal authority to 181 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 3: do uh. And what will the effects beyond on the 182 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 3: war on drugs? I will say this, people say the 183 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 3: war on drugs is filled. This does change the calculation. 184 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 3: I think you pointed this. 185 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 2: This is my point. 186 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a different It's a different thing to 187 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 3: face getting blown up with a hell fire missile or 188 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 3: whatever it is. My wife is pointing out also that 189 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 3: we have, according to her, and she's kind of an 190 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 3: expert on this, uh from her law training. She says, 191 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 3: this is the first time that we have officially designated 192 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 3: terrorist organizations that are dealing drugs as terror organization, which 193 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 3: changes the rules of engagement. 194 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 2: Now I'm quoting her. 195 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 3: Well, she's correct, and this is when we remember. I 196 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 3: think we talked to very high level intel sources in 197 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 3: this administration. Clay was there for most of it. Unfortunately, 198 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 3: when he showed up in flip flops of. 199 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 2: The White House. 200 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 3: They had to turn him away, But I just want 201 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 3: to get this legend started at Clay was just like, yo, dude, 202 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 3: I'm here for the I'm here for the high level intel. 203 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 1: We still don't have a real ID and they would 204 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:49,479 Speaker 1: not allow me in to meet with the directors of Intelligence. 205 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 3: We're going to go back to the White House probably 206 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 3: like in the next few months. 207 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 2: Can you please get a real ID? 208 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 5: Sir? 209 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 2: All right, I don't have to tell everybody. 210 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 3: I'm going to have to tattle tale on you to 211 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 3: everybody again, get a real ID, Clay. 212 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 1: It's complicated. You have to make these appointments. I'm on 213 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 1: the air for four hours every day. It's not that 214 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 1: easy to just in the middle part of the day 215 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 1: go get a real ID. I have a passport. But 216 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: my thing here, in addition to all of this is 217 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 1: does it change the calculus? Every drug dealer and drug 218 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 1: smuggler in America is going to see that video, and 219 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: I think I don't think it's irrational. Most people analyze 220 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 1: risk reward in everything that we do all day long, 221 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: and one risk, clearly of being a drug mule is 222 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 1: you get caught and you go to prison and you 223 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 1: potentially have to serve time. 224 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 3: Can I ask you an honest question? And I don't 225 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 3: because I can't put myself in the in the mindset 226 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 3: of one of these drug mules or cartel employees, whatever 227 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 3: you want to call them. Does spending twenty five years 228 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 3: in a US federal prison seem worse to them than 229 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 3: maybe just getting blown up and getting all done at once. 230 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 2: I'm being you know, I don't know that that could 231 00:11:59,600 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 2: go either. 232 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:02,839 Speaker 1: I think for some people, yeah, I think it's a 233 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: valid question. I think life risk is different. So I 234 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:11,319 Speaker 1: don't know, first of all, none of them unless you're 235 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: a drug mule listening right now and you want to 236 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: call in and tell us the drug mule thought process. 237 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: As a rational person, my analysis of people who are 238 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 1: drug smugglers is they see it as a way to 239 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 1: make relatively short period of time, life changing money for 240 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: both them and their family. And if you are required 241 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 1: to risk time in prison, you at least know that 242 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:39,679 Speaker 1: at some point in time you can return to your family. 243 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 1: I bet the cartels. I don't know this, but I 244 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 1: bet the cartels give good payouts even if you get arrested. 245 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 1: I bet they go back and take care of your 246 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: family to try to encourage people to continue to take 247 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 1: care of this risk. 248 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 2: This is my depends on what I think. If you're 249 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 2: a mule, maybe not. 250 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 3: But if you're somebody, if you're like a sacario, you know, 251 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 3: as somebody that's done really nasty offer, tells they made. 252 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 2: You some of that. Leclay. 253 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 3: I also think that this is what I was going 254 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:08,679 Speaker 3: to say about the Intel meetings and just the discussions 255 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 3: that were going on in the White House. We have 256 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 3: an incredibly and I saw this up firsthand, we have 257 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 3: an incredibly sophisticated counter terrorism and by that I just 258 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 3: to get more specific. Our ability to track, surveil, and 259 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 3: blow up al Qaeda style jihattis all over the world 260 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 3: is pretty pretty incredible. It has gotten to a point 261 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 3: where the ability to hit hvts in Yemen, in Somalia, 262 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 3: in Pakistani tribal areas, and you name it is and 263 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 3: there's a whole chain of events that lead up to it, right, 264 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, finding these people, surveiling these people, 265 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 3: the target said, having the whether it's drones or whatever 266 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 3: it is we're sending in after them. It looks like 267 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 3: this administration is gearing up to use that very sophisticated 268 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 3: counter terrorism infrastructure and strike capability against the cartels who 269 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 3: are now designated as narco terrorists, as your wife rightly 270 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 3: points out, and that is a whole new level of 271 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 3: something for the cartels to be considering. 272 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 1: I think getting blown up changes the calculus. That's my 273 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 1: ultimate analysis of the narco terror community. Because right now, 274 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 1: your worst case scenario is taking drugs. I guess your 275 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: worst case scenario is the cartel could become angry at 276 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 1: you and decide to kill you, which is why you 277 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: do your job. But I don't think you're anticipating that 278 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 1: your boat may get blown up. And so every narco 279 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: terrorist in America is going to be seeing that video, 280 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 1: and I think it's going to set off alarm belt. 281 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 1: Here's the biggest problem, though. The reason why the drug 282 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: trade exists is because there's lots of money to be 283 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 1: made from the drug trade, and ultimately people respond to 284 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 1: incentives when it comes to making money. To me, the 285 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 1: biggest challenge here is we haven't driven up the cost 286 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: of bringing drugs in to the point where it exceeds 287 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: the profit opportunity from the drug dealer, and that is 288 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 1: ultimately why they're engaging in rational economic decision making, even 289 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: if we disagree with the choices that they're making. 290 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 3: I would also point out that in discussions that I 291 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 3: had with members of border patrol in years past, and 292 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 3: particularly under the Biden Free for All open Border years Clay, 293 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 3: the cartels at one point or at a certain phase 294 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 3: of this, when the border was just wide open with 295 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 3: the ten million coming in, were making more they estimated 296 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 3: on human smuggling than on drug smuggling. 297 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 2: So that means. 298 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 3: Billions of dollars, billions and billions of dollars on effectively 299 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 3: controlling their side of the border. The platza, right, they 300 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 3: break these up into territories and you have to pay. 301 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 3: And that's where the wristbands that I've seen the cartel 302 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 3: wristbands and giant piles on the ground, because if you 303 00:15:58,080 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 3: don't have that risk band, I mean, they'll pull you 304 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 3: side and execute you, right, I mean, you know though, 305 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 3: the terrible things to you. So you've got to have 306 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 3: that wristband the show that you paid. But Trump is 307 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 3: shut down that income stream. They're not coming into the 308 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 3: country anymore that way, which means that now they have 309 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 3: a greater desperation on getting money via the drug trafficking, 310 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 3: which is made substantially harder as well because the resources 311 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 3: that we're going to the humanitarian mission at the border, 312 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 3: i e. Taking in illegals making sure they're not you know, 313 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 3: dying of some disease or something like that. Now that's 314 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 3: all focused on the So they have a higher need 315 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 3: to make money off the drug trade, and we have 316 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 3: a greater focus and resource on the drug trade. 317 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 2: So you know, this is a very. 318 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 3: Different situation than it was even eighteen months ago in 319 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 3: terms of what the cartels are facing and if we 320 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 3: ramp up the strikes, the attacks and the pressure on them, 321 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 3: this this isn't this is a new phase. That's all like, 322 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 3: this is a we have not seen something like this 323 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 3: in a long time. 324 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 1: Let me also, I'm going to say this, every time 325 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 1: we have a discussion about drugs, you need to talk 326 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:05,880 Speaker 1: to your kids and grandkids. They are often dying without 327 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 1: even understanding the drug that they're taking, so they can 328 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: think that they're taking a party drug. They can think 329 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:14,439 Speaker 1: especially go off to college, you're often you're in your 330 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 1: twenties in a college town, you're in a big city, 331 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 1: and you're off on your own. There are so many 332 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,640 Speaker 1: kids that are dying of poisoning. They're not really dying 333 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 1: of overdosing because they're not taking what they thought they 334 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:30,159 Speaker 1: were taking. And you need to impress upon your kids 335 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 1: that the intermixing between these highly dangerous, deadly drugs and 336 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: the ones they think are party drugs, which are they're 337 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:39,440 Speaker 1: going to be fine from and they're just going to 338 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: have a great time. It's ecstasy ish, or it's cocaine, 339 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 1: or it's something that they're not afraid of dying from taking. 340 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 1: They need to understand that there is a huge risk. 341 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:50,439 Speaker 1: And I but this is a sign of how. 342 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:50,919 Speaker 2: Crazy it is. 343 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: People who are huge party drug people are now using 344 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: strips to check and see before they take their party drugs, 345 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 1: whether it's fentanyl or not. I don't think there's a 346 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:04,400 Speaker 1: ton of college kids doing this. I don't think that 347 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 1: that's a die hard party drug person who's doing that testing. 348 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 1: But there are people basically dying of poisoning, tens of 349 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 1: thousands of them every single year. Your kids need to 350 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: know about this. 351 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 2: You're listening to Team forty seven with Clay and Buck. 352 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 1: We bring in our friend doctor Nicole Sapphire, part of 353 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:28,640 Speaker 1: the Clay and Buck podcast network. You can also see 354 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:32,400 Speaker 1: her regularly on Fox News. She does fantastic work across 355 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 1: the media spectrum and doctor Sapphire. We will start with 356 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:41,400 Speaker 1: the fireworks that have just come. As Senator, sorry, Senator 357 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 1: as Robert Kennedy was testifying in front of many different 358 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:51,400 Speaker 1: senators out there about what exactly is going on as 359 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:56,199 Speaker 1: it pertains to rules on COVID shots and rules on 360 00:18:56,359 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 1: vaccines in general and science and everything else. What did 361 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:04,879 Speaker 1: you take away from that testimony and how would you 362 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: assess what is going on right now from a health 363 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:09,679 Speaker 1: care perspective. 364 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 6: Hey, guys, thanks so much for having me on. Yeah, 365 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 6: I'll tell you I tried to live stream as much 366 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 6: as that Senate Finance Community Committee with RFK Junior as 367 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 6: I could. I'm in the hospital myself, so in between patients. 368 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 6: But you know, there were a lot of fireworks. There 369 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 6: were name calling, there were yelling, there's eye rolling. I mean, 370 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,639 Speaker 6: people were frustrated. But here's what I find, as a 371 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 6: lay person but also someone in the medical community, what 372 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 6: I find frustrating watching here. This was all about people 373 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 6: just trying to get talking points out for media headlines. 374 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,919 Speaker 6: This was not a conversation. This is not for the 375 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 6: greater good. Of America what happens in these committee hearings, 376 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:50,919 Speaker 6: and that is what I find the most frustrating. I 377 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 6: think RFK Junior Secretary Kennedy, I thought he had made 378 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 6: some really strong points. I think some of the senators 379 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 6: made some really strong points, and ultimately I think that 380 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,680 Speaker 6: there was more arguing of semantics than anything at all. 381 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:07,159 Speaker 6: And unfortunately for me looking at this from the outside in, 382 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 6: you know, throughout all of COVID, we became a very 383 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:13,120 Speaker 6: fractured society, and all of a sudden, we have weaponized 384 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 6: public health, we have politicized it. And I was all 385 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 6: I'm looking for is what are we going to do 386 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:21,919 Speaker 6: to bring the country together, to try and get politics 387 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 6: out of public health out of our healthcare system as 388 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 6: best we can, I mean you never will be able 389 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 6: to completely, but the best we can. And how are 390 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 6: we going to unify the nation? And unfortunately, watching some 391 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 6: of this tells me that we are nowhere closer to 392 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:38,640 Speaker 6: unifying the nation as we were four years ago. 393 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:41,239 Speaker 3: Well, I want to have you react here to an 394 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:47,199 Speaker 3: exchange doctor stapfire between RFK Junior and Senator Widen. It's 395 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 3: about forty seconds long as it's cut eighteen hit it. 396 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 7: I don't see any evidence that you have any regrets 397 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 7: about anything you've done, our plans to change it. And 398 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:59,120 Speaker 7: my last comment is I hope that you will tell 399 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:04,439 Speaker 7: the American people how many preventable child deaths are an 400 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:08,879 Speaker 7: acceptable sacrifice for enacting an agenda that I think is 401 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 7: fundamentally cruel and defies common sense. 402 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:15,439 Speaker 5: Senator, you've sent in that chair for how long, twenty 403 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 5: twenty five years? Well, the chronic disease and our children 404 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 5: went up to seventy six percent, and you said nothing. 405 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,199 Speaker 5: You never asked the question why it's happened. Why is 406 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 5: this happening today for the first time in twenty years? 407 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:30,440 Speaker 5: But you're going to learn that infant mortality has increased 408 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:32,640 Speaker 5: in our country. It is not because I came in here, 409 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 5: is because of what happened during the Biden administration that 410 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:35,880 Speaker 5: we're going to end. 411 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 3: How much Doctor Sapphire of the apparent animosity that these 412 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 3: Democrat senators showed toward RFK Junior is because he's RFK 413 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 3: junior and they don't like what he has stood for 414 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 3: in the past, or just because he happened to be 415 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 3: Trump's HHS guy. 416 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 6: Yeah, So that's a great question. And first of all. 417 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 6: That was one of RFK Junior's strongest messages in my 418 00:21:56,600 --> 00:22:00,719 Speaker 6: opinion during that hearing was everybody was criticizing him, and 419 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 6: He's like, it turned to crap under you guys, you've 420 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 6: been in office for decades, sitting on this committee, and 421 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 6: this is the first time we're having these conversations about 422 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:12,880 Speaker 6: making people healthier again. So I thought that was rather cheeky, 423 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 6: but also very poignant. You know, Senator Widen came out 424 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:19,439 Speaker 6: saying that he is going to be releasing a report today. 425 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 6: He asked to put it into evidence that supposedly will 426 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 6: show the damage to healthcare of the American people done 427 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:31,479 Speaker 6: under RFK Junior, highlighting chaos, corruption, and higher health care costs. 428 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 6: And yet he said these things, but we did not 429 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 6: see that report or the data. So again, Widen, I thought, 430 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 6: was trying to get some of those talking points at 431 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 6: the end of the day. And this is something I've 432 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 6: said now, you know for the last several weeks that 433 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 6: I get some criticism on, is that we already know 434 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 6: Trump derangement syndrome is real. I mean, one of these 435 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:54,160 Speaker 6: days it'll be a diagnosable condition. That is a medical doctor, 436 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 6: I can code it and it'll be a true diagnosis. 437 00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 6: But the RFK derangement syndrome is real as well, and 438 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,440 Speaker 6: so for me, maybe he is not the perfect messenger 439 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 6: to be out in front of the camera talking about 440 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 6: the work that they're doing behind the scenes. He is 441 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 6: bringing a ton of insight and a ton of innovation 442 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 6: and a whole new thought process to the HHS. They're 443 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:18,120 Speaker 6: finally starting to look at root causes of chronic illness. 444 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 6: They're trying to make a systems more efficient. These are 445 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 6: all great things, but the moment he steps in front 446 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 6: of the camera or gets behind the microphone, half of 447 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 6: the country is turning it off, just like they always 448 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:31,919 Speaker 6: do with President Trump. And so when it comes to 449 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,440 Speaker 6: public health, it would be great for me if there 450 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:38,160 Speaker 6: was another spokesperson who actually came out to deliver that message, 451 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 6: because as you see, if you look at social media 452 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 6: right now, people are just making fun of Secretary Kennedy. 453 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 6: They're making fun the fact that he was breathing heavily 454 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 6: into the microphone, forget the fact that he has a 455 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 6: neurological condition. And what they're doing actually is grossly inappropriate 456 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,880 Speaker 6: by making fun of someone, but they don't like him, 457 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 6: and that's the bottom. 458 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:02,399 Speaker 1: Line, doctor Staffar, I think the biggest issue that we 459 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 1: face as a country as it pertains to public health 460 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 1: is in the wake of COVID, many people, myself included, 461 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 1: have lost all faith in public health so called experts. 462 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 1: To give us the best possible advice, what would your 463 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 1: advice be to try to cure what I believe is 464 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 1: the biggest issue in America today, which is just lack 465 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,640 Speaker 1: of trust in the wake of what happened with COVID. 466 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 6: I mean, that's a very complicated question and there's not 467 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 6: going to be a one size fits all answer to that. 468 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,119 Speaker 6: But part of that is going to be getting people 469 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 6: that are well respected on both sides of the aisle 470 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:45,120 Speaker 6: into the HHS into the CDC. We undermine trust when 471 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,679 Speaker 6: we right now. What we're dealing with right now, and 472 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 6: you're looking at the conversation is surrounding vaccines the CDC. 473 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,680 Speaker 6: We're seeing the fallout from what happened because not only 474 00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 6: are parents questioning the COVID vaccines because the CVC leveled 475 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 6: down on the mandates long after science changed. The reality 476 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 6: is now parents are questioning all vaccines and just really 477 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:11,439 Speaker 6: questioning public health in general. And so we have to 478 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,879 Speaker 6: take a big step back and what was settled science 479 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 6: for the last several decades. If people truly believe that 480 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,399 Speaker 6: it's still settled science and the data is there to 481 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,159 Speaker 6: support it, then you need to show the data because 482 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,920 Speaker 6: just saying well, this is what's the right thing to do, 483 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 6: it doesn't work anymore. We can't have that paternalistic attitude 484 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,400 Speaker 6: when we're talking to the American people, because the American 485 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 6: people are educated, they want to make informed decisions. And 486 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 6: when you have this digital era where all of a sudden, 487 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 6: they're realizing that the truth is at their fingertips and 488 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,440 Speaker 6: it's not necessarily just from the mouthpieces that they're seeing 489 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,440 Speaker 6: from the CDC or whatnot. You have to make sure 490 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,359 Speaker 6: that you are being very nuanced in the recommendations for 491 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 6: public health. Part of that is going to be right now. 492 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 6: RFT Junior is having to put together the Vaccine Advisory 493 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:02,439 Speaker 6: Committee got rid of all the original members because he 494 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 6: said that they were essentially all part of the industry 495 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 6: standard and it was time for them to go. And 496 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 6: while I may not disagree with a lot of them 497 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 6: needing to go, you know, he's kind of swinging that 498 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 6: pendulum far the other way by putting all new members 499 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,919 Speaker 6: on that are part of his inner circle and his 500 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 6: inner thinking. We have to make sure that we have 501 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,680 Speaker 6: full dialogue and debate on these committees, so we can't 502 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 6: just go from one inner circle to the next. We 503 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,920 Speaker 6: need to start building these institutions that are with people 504 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:33,199 Speaker 6: who are going to last much longer than just an administration. 505 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 2: Are there just. 506 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,640 Speaker 3: Way too many vaccines doctor Sapphire in your opinion in 507 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 3: the suggested schedule for children? I think the number we 508 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,440 Speaker 3: had doctor McCarey on and he said it was something 509 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:50,119 Speaker 3: like seventy or something along those lines over the course 510 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:51,640 Speaker 3: of Now I know that some of those are multiple 511 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 3: shots and they're given over years. That does seem like 512 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:55,879 Speaker 3: that just seems like a lot of shots. 513 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,920 Speaker 6: Sure, So in my humble opinion, I think that we 514 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 6: need to look at the recommended childhood vaccine schedule. What's 515 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,159 Speaker 6: happening in Florida where they're just trying to do away 516 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 6: with all vaccine mandates, That's a completely different conversation. What 517 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 6: I'm talking about is not necessarily implementing mandates or recalling 518 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 6: man or getting rid of the mandates. I'm like, let's 519 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 6: reevaluate what we're even recommending can we change the timeline, 520 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 6: does every single child need all of these vaccines, because 521 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 6: the reality is not all vaccines are created equal. Lumping 522 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:31,400 Speaker 6: them together just completely erases the science. The MMR vaccine 523 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 6: the one with measles that provides decades of protection, while 524 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 6: the protessis one that immunity wanes within months. And the 525 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 6: public health messaging has to acknowledge the differences because we're 526 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:47,359 Speaker 6: undermining trust when we pretend that every vaccine works the same, 527 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 6: and Americans truly deserve nuance. I think we can change 528 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,200 Speaker 6: the vaccine schedule. We can actually decrease the amount of 529 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:59,200 Speaker 6: vaccines children get without risking the safety of the individual 530 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 6: child or the community. But it just means you have 531 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 6: to open up that conversation, and you have to be 532 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,679 Speaker 6: willing to have that conversation because unfortunately, you have a 533 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,919 Speaker 6: lot of people who have they're head in the stand 534 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,880 Speaker 6: right now with that vacuum thought mentality of well, if 535 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,639 Speaker 6: you start changing it now, you're going to change the 536 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,119 Speaker 6: whole thing, and that's going to creep in vaccine hesitancy. 537 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 6: But if you don't acknowledge the people's concerns and you 538 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 6: don't acknowledge all vaccines aren't created equal. You're actually promoting 539 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 6: vaccine hesitency more than anyone else. 540 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 1: How can people find your podcast and dive in if 541 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 1: they haven't already? Doctor Sapphire, Well, thanks. 542 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 6: To you, guys. Wellness on Mask with doctor Nicole Saftfire 543 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 6: is part of the Clay and Buck family. We have 544 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 6: a weekly rundown every Friday at ten am with about 545 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 6: just five minutes of me telling you what happened that week. 546 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 6: We're going to go all through the hearing tomorrow and 547 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:54,200 Speaker 6: then on Tuesdays, dropping at ten Wellness Unmask you have 548 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 6: a longer full episode next week. You will hear me 549 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 6: with Jennifer Gollardi. She's the senior policy the analyst for 550 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 6: restoring American Wellness at the Heritage Foundation. We talk all 551 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 6: things make America healthy again. We get into a little 552 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 6: bit of a healthy debate on some things, and I'll 553 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,960 Speaker 6: tell you it's a great interview, so please make sure 554 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 6: to catch it out. I'm also on x, Instagram and 555 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 6: Fox News. 556 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 1: Okay, I gave you all that, but I meant to 557 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 1: ask you this as well, so I encourage you to 558 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 1: go follow doctor Staffhire, the. 559 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 3: Clay in Buck podcast Network. Well on this unmasked Doctor Sapphire, 560 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 3: tremendous collection of talent there. What's the worst date you've 561 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 3: ever been on? 562 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 1: Doctor? Because Buck brought up The English Patient, I realized 563 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 1: that I went on a high school date to watch 564 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 1: that movie, which was not a great movie to go 565 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 1: on as a high schooler. We just had Katie Miller 566 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 1: on do you recall the worst date that you've ever 567 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: been on in your life? Is there one that stands out? 568 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 6: I think the worst date I've ever been on my 569 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 6: life was my first kind of date, or not even 570 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 6: a date, but when I met my husband, because we 571 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 6: actually met in a wine bar during a medical conference. 572 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 6: I was drinking hot tea and this guy comes up 573 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,720 Speaker 6: to me and he starts He's thinking that my tea 574 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 6: is spiked, and the whole time he just cannot believe 575 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 6: that I'm just drinking herbal tea while sitting in a 576 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 6: wine bar. And it was very awkward and very uncomfortable, 577 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 6: and twenty years later were married with kids. 578 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 3: Wait, how did he how did he make the transition? 579 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 2: Like how do yeah? Yeah? 580 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 3: Like how'd he go from like, hey, like I think 581 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 3: something's been spiked in your tea to I'd like your 582 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 3: phone number. 583 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 6: Oh, he was asking for my phone number the whole time. 584 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 6: It took about two years for us to actually go 585 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 6: on a date. But the man was persistent, and I'll 586 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 6: tell you persistence pays off. 587 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 3: I had a very wise man tell me for many 588 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 3: years persistence is the key in all things. So there 589 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 3: you go, Doctor Sapphire, Thank you so much. Guys, go 590 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 3: check out Wellness on mass on the Clay and Buck 591 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 3: podcast podcast network.