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Speaker 1: May twenty eighth, two thousand and two. R CO Arena, Sacramento, California.

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Speaker 1: Eleven point four seconds remain on the clock. The Sacramento

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Speaker 1: Kings trail to Los Angeles Lakers by one. Mike Bibby

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Speaker 1: inbounds from the baseline. Chris Weber catches the inbounds pass,

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Speaker 1: hands it back to a curling Bibby. Bibby elevates. This

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Speaker 1: is Game five of the two thousand and two Western

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Speaker 1: Conference Finals. Let's fucking go Hello, Welcome games with me.

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Speaker 1: You go you, James Dillames, I'm Pump. This is my

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Speaker 1: basketball era is ours. This is presented by Win Bett.

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Speaker 1: I'm Samuel, I'm Julian Edelman. We got hasa minaj here.

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Speaker 1: A good friend of mine got his new Netflix special,

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Speaker 1: The King's Gesture. Watch that right now, watch his other special,

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Speaker 1: Homecoming King. We're talking Game five, Western Conference Finals, two

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Speaker 1: thousand and two, Lakers Kings rigged. That's what I'm talking about.

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Speaker 1: Game five was good. Game six, which we'll get into.

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Speaker 1: Fucking rigged, Yeah, rigged, No argument for me. I heard

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Speaker 1: the whole podcast, the one that imperially narrated. Yes, I

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Speaker 1: mean yes, it's it's gonna be I can't wait to

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Speaker 1: get Mike Bibbie on this bad boy and ask him

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Speaker 1: to think he thinks it's rigged. Yo, the depths, the

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Speaker 1: depths of how depraved these people were. It go, it

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Speaker 1: goes deep, bro, it goes deep. Well, it goes it

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Speaker 1: goes like its crazy. It's FBI, the mob, like the

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Speaker 1: whole thing. Well, because wild and the league because in

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Speaker 1: the league silver, right, it was silver Stern. This is stern. Yeah, Stern,

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Speaker 1: I mean Stern. I guess the ratings dipped twenty three

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Speaker 1: percent from ninety eight till this point because they had

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Speaker 1: a huge new negotiation going for TV contracts. The Lakers

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Speaker 1: were sexy. No one wanted to see the like what

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Speaker 1: was of the nets? Yeah, versus non major market teams,

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Speaker 1: non major market teams. Is that an acronym? No, it

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Speaker 1: was just I mean would read someone in major market. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and Nacremento is a not major market, a non major market.

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Speaker 1: I know, it's it's sad, but it's your only team.

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Speaker 1: That's our only team. And we almost lost them. So

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Speaker 1: they were close. They were new too. They were like Vegas. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: well they were going to be they were going to

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Speaker 1: be sold potentially, and they were going to go to

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Speaker 1: Seattle that was one of the places, or Vegas Bomber

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Speaker 1: lost the bid, Steve Bomber, you know the crazy whoa

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Speaker 1: that guy that Bomber ends up getting the Clippers that

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Speaker 1: bid doesn't work out, and and uh may or Kevin

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Speaker 1: Johnson who got into some other ship. But he did

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Speaker 1: save bunch of Yeah, yeah, he did save the team.

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Speaker 1: So look, I gotta give a little background why the

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Speaker 1: Kings mean a lot to me? You know this raise

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Speaker 1: became friends. Yeah, yeah, so he could he could see

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Speaker 1: you know, comics there there's always a source of pain,

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Speaker 1: yea to like get in basements and tell jokes and

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Speaker 1: so so we have an affinity with one another, and

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Speaker 1: it's always you got to figure out what's your source

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Speaker 1: of pain? And and and we started talking basketball because

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Speaker 1: he had ANXT shirt on, and I go, oh, I

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Speaker 1: know your pain. And he goes, oh, really, you lak

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Speaker 1: You're like a Warrior's fan. I got nah Kings And

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Speaker 1: he goes, oh, respect, Kings might be the only team

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Speaker 1: we have it worse. And like I feel like the

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Speaker 1: Gimp and pull fiction had a better life than a

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Speaker 1: Sacramento Yeah. Yeah, that's a tough existence. It's a. It's

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Speaker 1: a rough, rough existence. And what's crazy is is where

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Speaker 1: the team that never could. Because when I do say

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Speaker 1: the Kings, people were like, oh, yeah, you had that

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Speaker 1: one run. We were where the We're like that dude

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Speaker 1: that peaked in high school. We're like the oh I

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Speaker 1: Then when this team was Evenesse, this team was as

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Speaker 1: a I was rooting for the Kings. I mean I

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Speaker 1: thought they were like a cool team. Weber was smooth baby,

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Speaker 1: I love Lottie. Christie would come out there all. Let

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Speaker 1: me get my background. Yeah, I was a Warriors fan.

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Speaker 1: This is when the Warriors were kind of dog shit,

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Speaker 1: like around like what ninety name eighty five, but then

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Speaker 1: a he's a knucklehead problem. Yeah, he's a problem. Remember

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Speaker 1: I go this team plays in a barn, literally, which

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Speaker 1: And by the way, that barn has an in and

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Speaker 1: that barn? But Seeweb comes over and something people don't

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Speaker 1: the guy white chocolate, the famous behind the back elbow belbo.

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Speaker 1: that's what jay Will's dad used to do, and shit

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Speaker 1: like that. Likes you hoop. I mean I tried to hoop.

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Speaker 1: I was a football player trying to play hoop. Got it?

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Speaker 1: I remember football players will play basketball. You got y'all

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Speaker 1: I gotta tell mic this. When White Chocolate got traded,

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Speaker 1: we got sad. Baby, I was a little sad. Yeah, man,

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Speaker 1: it was one of those things where we needed to

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Speaker 1: hit big shots down the stretch. And funny enough, the

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Speaker 1: that dude hit us some big shots multings. Yeah, multiple

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Speaker 1: better in the playoffs in the regular season. Total, he

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Speaker 1: Jules is the Bay Area, y'all ship on Sack. So

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Speaker 1: for for a lot of people, California stops at the Bay.

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Speaker 1: Anything north of the five from Sack, We're like, nah,

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Speaker 1: staten island of California. Yeah, it doesn't even matter. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: so like Stockton, Lodi, Modesto, Reading, Sacramento, like rise up,

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Speaker 1: it's us, right, and then it's like the Bay with

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Speaker 1: unreal Web. Yeah, both your bigs could shoot the path,

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Speaker 1: jokich owes a little to Seaweb a little bit, a

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Speaker 1: Bay person Like a lot of Bay people jumped on

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Speaker 1: thank you for saying kind of shitty dude, Oh sexy

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Speaker 1: team right now. They're kind of flashy, fun, they're fast,

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Speaker 1: they're winning games. Say Lakers, because we all hate the Lakers.

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Speaker 1: I wrote, you know, I hate the Lakers. I know

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Speaker 1: that's that's unanimous. That's what unites both of us, that's

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Speaker 1: what that's the united they respect because the Lakers are important.

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Speaker 1: You love the Lakers, but you love the like the

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Speaker 1: history and everything. But like, no, this was a haterable

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Speaker 1: It's like when it comes to like the war, we

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Speaker 1: we welcome in all like the mes cities like yo,

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Speaker 1: you guys are kind of well, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 1: you guys roll with us. And the sad part is,

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Speaker 1: here's how I know, l a kind of one. It's

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Speaker 1: not two sided, like like they're not even thinking about

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Speaker 1: us now. They're like these oh yeah, yeah, they've won

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Speaker 1: too much. This was a it's tougher for nest teams

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Speaker 1: to win in the playoffs. The Lakers, they would bruise

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Speaker 1: donegane Oh I never heard of that guy. Yeah, who

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Speaker 1: incredible Jason Kidd, a beast and Kmart, they had Sackerman.

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Speaker 1: It would have been a better matchup for them though. Yeah, yeah, shock,

419
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't have gotten swept, but I bet it would

420
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Speaker 1: have been a five game series, six tops because sack

421
00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:41,439
Speaker 1: legitimately had like an eight man squad. Yeah, so yeah,

422
00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,080
Speaker 1: it hurts too. I think of the Nixon ninety three

423
00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:47,439
Speaker 1: ninety four. That was my intro to basketball disappointment. But

424
00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:49,800
Speaker 1: we didn't lose because of the refs. We lost because

425
00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:54,040
Speaker 1: John Starks, my favorite player, shot two for eighteen. Riley

426
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Speaker 1: that was his guy. He goes, I'm sticking with the

427
00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,600
Speaker 1: guy who brought us here. Yeah, wouldn't take him. He

428
00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:01,439
Speaker 1: related a lot to Starks. Stars kind of shot us

429
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Speaker 1: out of the game. Starts also missed. You got blocked

430
00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,280
Speaker 1: by allage one in game six yep, from three. I mean,

431
00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:10,320
Speaker 1: so we lost, We got out played. Allage one was phenomenal.

432
00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:12,600
Speaker 1: The Rockets were a great team. You're you're a pro man,

433
00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,800
Speaker 1: so we're fans, right, Yeah, to what extent do do

434
00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:18,640
Speaker 1: refs play a role in momentum in the fourth quarter?

435
00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,600
Speaker 1: It's huge, right, It is very Super Bowls go the

436
00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:24,280
Speaker 1: other way because of shit like well, you know, the

437
00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:27,480
Speaker 1: Passinger Farence kind of penalties where you can get sixty

438
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Speaker 1: five seventy yards on a fucking one penalty a lot

439
00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:34,840
Speaker 1: of the times. I mean that that's a momentum killer

440
00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:38,399
Speaker 1: and a momentum gainer for the other team. But in

441
00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:43,880
Speaker 1: football it's different because there's like multiple situations the game

442
00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:48,160
Speaker 1: really never comes down to just one one play. Really

443
00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,240
Speaker 1: it doesn't. And that I don't know if that's because

444
00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:53,359
Speaker 1: that's how I've been trained by Bill Belichick. Like, look,

445
00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:55,560
Speaker 1: we didn't lose it on this one. We fucking couldn't

446
00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:57,399
Speaker 1: do good on third down? We did, you know, like

447
00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,679
Speaker 1: we hear that shit. Yeah, so that up. But I mean,

448
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:04,800
Speaker 1: those those those kill momentum, I would say, not necessarily

449
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:08,840
Speaker 1: outcomes of games, okay, because the momentum can get flipped

450
00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:12,920
Speaker 1: any second. Yeah, I just feel like for me watching

451
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:16,440
Speaker 1: it the way different in basketball, though not a basketball guy,

452
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,560
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not a pro guy. In basketball, it's

453
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:21,680
Speaker 1: completely different. That's a that's like a wave because they're

454
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Speaker 1: moving the whole time. Playoffs, that's wave, I mean because

455
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Speaker 1: fouls are just kind of not called the same way

456
00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:31,320
Speaker 1: in the playoffs, just like for this. Yeah. Usually basketball,

457
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,600
Speaker 1: in the playoffs the expression is let him play. Yeah,

458
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Speaker 1: So there was some you know, there were even the

459
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Speaker 1: feeling that we had was when they started to call

460
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Speaker 1: even offensive foul. So there's another play in Game six

461
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,239
Speaker 1: where Weber's doing that thing where he just always squares up,

462
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Speaker 1: like remember you bring the ball low like this, and

463
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Speaker 1: then you do this, and he puts it on the

464
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Speaker 1: on he puts it on the ground for one and

465
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Speaker 1: then pulls up for a jumper. Robert already flops, full flop,

466
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Speaker 1: just full flop. We'll Oscar perform left obo and they

467
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Speaker 1: call an offensive foul. So stuff like that. They don't

468
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Speaker 1: call that in the NBA playoffs in the third and

469
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Speaker 1: fourth quarter. It's just kind of the egregious, like TICKI

470
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:09,119
Speaker 1: tag like Jordan. Yeah, So I'm not putting them in

471
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Speaker 1: the same category as far as like who gets the

472
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Speaker 1: call and doesn't, but like, this is the playoff. You

473
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Speaker 1: gotta let the boys play. So if anybody wants to

474
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:16,440
Speaker 1: get into it, and it's like, what are they talking about.

475
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 1: There's a Netflix documentary series where Donneghie's in it and

476
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 1: he basically talks about during that era in the NBA,

477
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Speaker 1: there were certain teams and there were certain refs that

478
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,920
Speaker 1: were company men, and they wanted certain players and certain

479
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Speaker 1: teams to do well. Yeah. I believe it was like

480
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,920
Speaker 1: Team five, Team six thing that. Yeah. I watched that doc. Yeah,

481
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:39,200
Speaker 1: and there's a podcast called Whistleblower that the same yeah stuff.

482
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 1: A lot of guys are like, yeah, we got done.

483
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Speaker 1: He it's a momentum thing. So anyways, what they could

484
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Speaker 1: do is they could throttle the game. Meaning one of

485
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Speaker 1: the things Donegie talks about in the dock is like

486
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:52,359
Speaker 1: he's like, hey, listen, I can I can call Iverson

487
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 1: for carrying three or four possessions in a row. I

488
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,439
Speaker 1: can take him out of the game. So what you

489
00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 1: can do is you can create a six to ten

490
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 1: point differential. If you're a competitive team, that's everything you needed.

491
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Speaker 1: So for the Kings, you call a couple of offensive

492
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Speaker 1: fouls on Weber, you put him in foul trouble, you

493
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Speaker 1: put him in that four or five foul range. You

494
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Speaker 1: you get Vottie out of the game. You have Scott

495
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,639
Speaker 1: Pollard on Shack. So you can throttle the game in

496
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Speaker 1: such a way that those points that we would have

497
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Speaker 1: had between the two of them. Now we're down ten,

498
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 1: Now we're down fourteen. So the fact that we even

499
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,680
Speaker 1: though it was cooked, we still got that far. That's

500
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Speaker 1: the part where I'm like beyond livid. It's brutal. I mean,

501
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 1: because it looks we know how rare this is, and

502
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 1: sacks you played it. You played on a winning team,

503
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 1: so you don't know how rare it is to like

504
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 1: to have your moment's which is like it's such a

505
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 1: small moment. The Knicks had this as a fan. Yeah,

506
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 1: I mean the Knicks, I think right now are in

507
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 1: a better place than the Kings. The Kings I don't

508
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 1: love now, there's no they just paid Fox so much money.

509
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 1: A small town team or what is it called small

510
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 1: mall market small market money market team. I mean it's different.

511
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Speaker 1: That's what they live and breathe over there. It's almost

512
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 1: like a college environment. Yeah, let's go back to May

513
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,639
Speaker 1: twenty eighth, two thousand and two. Number one Movie Star

514
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Speaker 1: Wars two Attack of the Clones. I love that one.

515
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 1: I thought the first three, those those three episodes were

516
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Speaker 1: actually pretty good, even though the CGI sucked okay and

517
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Speaker 1: all that stuff, but like I loved them. This was

518
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 1: improved just because jar Jar Binks was gone. I don't

519
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Speaker 1: know if they focused test of that shit and they

520
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 1: were like, this dude fucking sucks. That was like when

521
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Speaker 1: you're around a dude who can't stop me. People were

522
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Speaker 1: mad about the first one, right because the little kid

523
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Speaker 1: who was yeah, and the it sucked yeah okay, An

524
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Speaker 1: this one was all right, yeah okay, And then number

525
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Speaker 1: one song was Foolish by Ashanti. We've covered Foolish before.

526
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Speaker 1: This was number one for a while. This is a

527
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Speaker 1: great song. It is a great song Ashanti's, but it's

528
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Speaker 1: a big it's the Biggie remix. That's why we were

529
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Speaker 1: all like, oh, this is great. Absolutely around this time

530
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Speaker 1: the Wire premieres on HBO. We've already hit all these

531
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Speaker 1: because we've been in two thousand and two already. Oh

532
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Speaker 1: wow have we? Yeah, Britneys just breakup? Or what a game? What? What?

533
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Speaker 1: What game do we because we've I felt like we've

534
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,679
Speaker 1: hit all these? Have we? Yeah? We did. Kenny Martin,

535
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 1: Keny Martin, that's no guys interviewed Kenny Martin came love that.

536
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 1: Yeah he was cool. He's hitting the vape pen in

537
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Speaker 1: the interview, O G. Keny was on nine. I'm tripping sorry,

538
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:19,920
Speaker 1: who was O two? We hadn't We did a Nuggets

539
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 1: game with Kenyon because I just wanted an excuse to

540
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: talk about that Nuggets and that was the Nuggets win

541
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Speaker 1: on the Lakers. Also that with a series that's great.

542
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 1: I just love've done three games winners against the Lakers

543
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 1: because four because amazing. You got to tip your hat. Yeah,

544
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 1: they're the upper echelon and it's just an excuse to

545
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 1: talk Kobe, and we love talking Kobe on here. Uh yeah,

546
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 1: we talked about this. But Duncan was the m v

547
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Speaker 1: P of the league. The Spurs were. I think this

548
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 1: was like a transitional period though they didn't have what

549
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:50,639
Speaker 1: we knew to be the great Tony Parker yet he

550
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 1: was a young guy. They had young Shanobley. I believe

551
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,919
Speaker 1: this was in between their their raging lead bro I love.

552
00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:01,640
Speaker 1: This was peak Iverson. Everyone of the shoes, yeah, man, yeah,

553
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 1: I ever questions and then I had the second one,

554
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,919
Speaker 1: the questions and then the answers. Yeah, and they were

555
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 1: always affordable. Yeah, they're always like forty dollars less than

556
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,640
Speaker 1: the Jordan. Yeah, yeah, you still wanted Jay's but Iverson

557
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,160
Speaker 1: that was like peak peak Allen Iverson era. He made

558
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,880
Speaker 1: Rebak cool. He did, he did, and the commercials were great.

559
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 1: The ones with him and Jada Kiss were amazing. This

560
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 1: is oh yeah, by the way, this is when Jordan

561
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,439
Speaker 1: came back to play for the Wizards. That's wild. That

562
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,399
Speaker 1: was old Jordan. Yeah. Nobody talks about this though, the

563
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 1: two seasons where he was like I'll get us back

564
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:30,919
Speaker 1: to the playoffs, and he never could do it. I

565
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: know they weren't. They just weren't a good team either.

566
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Speaker 1: And also he was still MJ. But why don't they

567
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 1: ever talk about that in the legacy conversation? They always

568
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 1: it always stops at ninety eight because that's what we

569
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: wanted to stop. Yeah, the way we wanted the Sopranos

570
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 1: to stop at the show and not the Many Saints

571
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 1: of Newark. That's we keep it where we want it. Yeah. No,

572
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 1: but MJ was because that's the perfect ending that that's

573
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 1: his fourteen years. That those seasons with the Bulls is

574
00:27:55,560 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 1: basically the first seven seasons of Game of Thrones. We

575
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: don't got to talk about the last it really is.

576
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: It's just like perfect. Wow. Yeah he was. He went

577
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Speaker 1: out on top and then he came back and it

578
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:12,120
Speaker 1: was cool to see him there. And it was fun

579
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 1: to having that last All Star game. Yeah you know,

580
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 1: but he still watched. Yeah, everyone still watched. It was

581
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 1: like our that was like our guy, for sure. I

582
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 1: loved him. He looked ugly. It was a little a

583
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,199
Speaker 1: little heavier. He didn't jump as much. Oh, the Grizzlies

584
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,199
Speaker 1: move from Vancouver to Memphis, that's crazy. And and by

585
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,199
Speaker 1: the way, do they have bears in Memphis? Do they

586
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 1: have Grizzlies? Did you have this for like just in

587
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: the closet, a baby fan? That's amazing, man. All right,

588
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 1: the colors, the colors are great. No, no, it's pretty solid.

589
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 1: I think of big country reeves when I see that. No. Yeah,

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00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 1: reef abdo raheem. Yeah, they were great. They whiffed on

591
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 1: some high picks. Yeah. The jerseys were great though. Oh yeah,

592
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: the jerseys and the logo for these expansion teams during

593
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 1: that era. Oh, the Raptors are Yeah, the Raptors jerseys

594
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 1: are great, Like, they're awesome. Really played at the Pyramid, Yeah,

595
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: the Pyramid. Oh. By the way, you guys probably didn't

596
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 1: talk about this. I don't know if you loaded this

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Speaker 1: up in the Google doc that they're reading off of.

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Speaker 1: But this is this is peak Vince. I don't know

599
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Speaker 1: what you're talking about. We're doing all this home, dude.

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Speaker 1: I'm just I'm not even isolating you guys. I'm talking

601
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Speaker 1: to that. But you you should have put in right here.

602
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: This is peak Vince Carter era. All right, now, the

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Speaker 1: Gaming Corner presented by wind Bet prop Bet. I think

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Speaker 1: it's got to be about how yoked he got because

605
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 1: he's huge. Now he's huge. He's yokey. Mcdokey out here.

606
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: My man's a bodybuilder, bro, and it's bodybuilding dot com

607
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 1: backslash Mike Bibbi, Bro, this dude is jacked. I f

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Speaker 1: bb A A whatever. I mean, this dude is crazy.

609
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Speaker 1: I wonder I'm gonna ask him. I wonder if he

610
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Speaker 1: could shoot still. I mean, because it's hard to shoot

611
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 1: when you're when you're yoked. But what's tell me about it? Dude?

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Speaker 1: That's my problem? I know, just Jewels, how much creating

613
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: is this stude taking? I remember creating was the one

614
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Speaker 1: that was the one in high school. Jewels, you know

615
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Speaker 1: better than me, though, I'm just this medium. I'll be creating.

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Speaker 1: Keeps the water in the muscles, bro, all right, keeps

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Speaker 1: water in the muscle. We sound so lame talking about

618
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Speaker 1: being yoke it's so corny with our with our physics.

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Speaker 1: We look like we're like Wes Anderson Marionettes were like,

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Speaker 1: I think, yeah, yeah, we're two. Pinocchio's over here talking

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Speaker 1: talking muscle. What's over under gonna be how many thinks

622
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Speaker 1: we can get? Four or five? I want to lock

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Speaker 1: it in. Four and a half, four and a half,

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Speaker 1: lock it, Lock it in. Jack. All right, we're gonna

625
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Speaker 1: take a quick break before we get to Bibby and

626
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 1: we'll see you then. Are you doing too? This is

627
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: my boy, Sam, Hey, hella ai you Mike Son. I'm

628
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 1: the I'm the one that grew up in sack. So

629
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 1: I got to give you your flowers, bro, thank you

630
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 1: for giving us our dignity and pride, and thank you

631
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: for putting the next jersey on your wall. That makes

632
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 1: me happy as hell. By the way, I have them all.

633
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: I actually have all the ones I play with. Wow,

634
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 1: he's got Atlanta, he's got everybody. He's got everybody up there.

635
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: Those greasy colors are hot though. Yeah. The funny thing

636
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 1: is those are the ugliest colors. When we were playing,

637
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: we hated those uniforms. But now it's cool. I know

638
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: everybody loves him now, I guess that's good. You see

639
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: a lot of people wearing my stuff, so I see.

640
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 1: I think Jules got them all too, So that's good. Yeah,

641
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: we got it. We got to give you your accolades.

642
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, McDonald's all American, mister basketball USA.

643
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: Your number ten is retired at Arizona second overall pick

644
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: in the ninety eight basketball draft. That was a that

645
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 1: was a loaded year, by the way, that was you,

646
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 1: Vince Pierce Derk right, yeah, Jameson James Page was the

647
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: year before Williams, Michael Dickerson. There's a lot of people.

648
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,479
Speaker 1: A stacked year. That was a stacked draft. Stacked all right,

649
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 1: King's legend, King's legend. Sixteen amazing years in the NBA. Wait,

650
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: first of all, fourteen fourteen, fourteen fourteen. It was fourteen. Yeah, yo, listen, man,

651
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 1: if you want to get the New York he area,

652
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: it was fourteen. We're counting it this, we're counting it. Good, good,

653
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 1: all right, Mike, Look, man, I wrote down questions. Bro,

654
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 1: I've been waiting almost twenty years to ask you these questions.

655
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: I'm not even all right. First things, let's get into

656
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: it right now. Mike Bibby doesn't get his flowers. Only

657
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 1: a couple people have brought this up. Probably one of

658
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: the greatest Jordan pe collections ever. Wouldn't you agree, Mike?

659
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 1: I think so. I think you know, out of all

660
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: of us, I think Ray Allen had the best pees.

661
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean he's won championships and he was

662
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: going a few teams in Miami, in Boston. But I

663
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: think he has he has a lot of he has

664
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: a lot of shoes. Yeah, Like I'm like, damn you

665
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: got those, Damn you got But but you know everybody

666
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 1: says that about me too. But I think I might

667
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: have to go to Ray as the number one, you know,

668
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 1: pe Getter in the Doordan brand. Man, he's be You're

669
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: just being too humble right now, super humble about this.

670
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: I told him too, Mike, can I say this on

671
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: your behalf? When you wore the blue phone posits when

672
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 1: you were at Arizona in ninety seven, that was a moment,

673
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: you know, That's what kind of kicked me off, you know,

674
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: started everything for me being a shoe guru and all

675
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 1: that stuff, you know. And now the story was because

676
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 1: we you know, back then everybody wore It wasn't like

677
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 1: today where you know, you wear whatever color you want,

678
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: no matter what the color uniform was. So back then, yeah,

679
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: so back then everything was you know, if your uniform

680
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 1: was read and white, you were red and white shoes.

681
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 1: That's how I wasn't in the NBA too. So the

682
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: Nike guy came just right before the tournament started and said, Hey,

683
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 1: I'm going to give you guys all pair of shoes.

684
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: It's not your team colors. It won't be out for

685
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 1: a while. But as soon as he said it won't

686
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 1: be out for a while, I said, I don't care

687
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: what they are where nobody seeing them. I'm gonna put

688
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 1: them on my feet. And you know that's they gave

689
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: player to every single player on the team, and you

690
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: could award if you wanted to wear it. If not,

691
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: you just keep them. So you know, a few guys

692
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 1: wore them, you know. Uh, I think just Centerru myself

693
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: were the only ones that really played a lot that

694
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: wore them. But I don't even know. I can't even

695
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: tell you how I could play on our cut. So

696
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: I put him on like to this day, and I'm like,

697
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,760
Speaker 1: how did I play in these shoes? Yeah? Man, I'm honest.

698
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: But they looked amazing. Yeah, look good. When people see you, now,

699
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 1: does it take him a second because of how jacked

700
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: you are? Now they look at you like, wait, I

701
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: think I know you, but you look like in the

702
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: First Captain America when he comes out of the machine

703
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: shredded some people, you know, I mean they I mean,

704
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 1: I'm at the gym a lot, so a lot of

705
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 1: people have seen me in the gym, don't but you know,

706
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: outside the gym, I think they just hear stories and

707
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 1: that's kind of the first thing that they say. I mean,

708
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm much bigger than much bigger than

709
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: when I played, But you know, I've been this way

710
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 1: for a while. Can you still shoot with the muscle? Yes?

711
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: I can. That's anywhere, yo, Yo, Jules, you haven't seen

712
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 1: the video of Mike. Mike can still yack? Bro? Are

713
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: you still yacking? Yo? He could dun you. Someone put

714
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: up the video of you dunking, Bro, It's crazy. The

715
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: last time I dunk was probably three years ago. It's crazy. Yeah,

716
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 1: someone put up a video of Mike maybe dunky. It

717
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: was crazy. I couldn't believe it. All right, So, so

718
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: did they tell you? Did they tell you the conceit

719
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 1: of what we're talking about? Because because we're talking about

720
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: two thousand and two, Okay, yeah, ready, we're breaking down

721
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 1: games five in game six, these two they don't know.

722
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 1: I had to give him. I had to. I had

723
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 1: to lay lay out the table a little bit. I

724
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: kind of know he caught caught. He's from the Bay.

725
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 1: I'm from the Bay. And when you guys were hot,

726
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: the Warriors were trash and we all hated the Lakers,

727
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: and so I was, yeah, I was on it, So

728
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 1: go ahead. So we talked about I talked about the

729
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,359
Speaker 1: Game five jumper. So so first things first, I gotta

730
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 1: I gotta be transparent when you when you came in one,

731
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. The city was sad. Everyone was

732
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 1: a little sad. We love Jay White Chocolate. But what

733
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: was said was, hey, we need a point guard that

734
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: can control the offense, that can hit jumpers consistently and

735
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: hit big shots. And that Game five moment, I've seen

736
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 1: it a million times. I got the Sacramento b you

737
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: on the front page up in my room still, but

738
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 1: I want, I want you to tell us what that

739
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: moment was like, because see Web hits that pick Fisher collapses,

740
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: you step up, you hit it, and then you do

741
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 1: this thing and and the arena erupts. But but but

742
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 1: take take us through it. I want to let me

743
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 1: say something first because the first thing, you know, I

744
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 1: was kind of I didn't know how Sacramento fans or

745
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 1: the team would take me coming in like you said,

746
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 1: come in for Jason Williams, a fan favorite and uh,

747
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,800
Speaker 1: you know, a team favorite. And that's what made it

748
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: so comfortable for me coming in. The fans and the team.

749
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 1: You know, they acted like the team acted like I

750
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: was there for like, you know, my whole career. So

751
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 1: that's what made it so easy for me to kind

752
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: of make that jump from being on a team that

753
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 1: you know, really know one. You know, people asking if

754
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 1: I still played too, you know, I'm on the contender,

755
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: So I mean that was that was the biggest thing

756
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 1: for That's what made it so easy for me. But

757
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: with go ahead, now, I was just going to say,

758
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 1: we all, we all saw why they traded him. Now

759
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: once you started playing, so you can keep going, but

760
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: we understood why. So we're not saying we just I

761
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: can't get past the fact that there the newspaper there

762
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: was called the Sacramento b the whole city to high school.

763
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: What the hell? No, Hey, Sam, I'm to take it

764
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: easy with the disrespect right now. Is an amazing too.

765
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: It's still there, man. Yeah, it's not going anywhere. But

766
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 1: you know the play was for Chris. For Chris to

767
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: make a play either he'll shoot it fake enough to

768
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: me or give me the ball. So you know, I

769
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:53,479
Speaker 1: told him, I said, if you don't shoot the ball,

770
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: and we're walking out to us, I say, if you

771
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 1: don't shoot it, I'll make the shot. And so he

772
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: handed it off to me, and I shot that shot

773
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 1: probably a million times, and you know, practicing, so you know,

774
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: every shot that I took I expected to go in

775
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 1: because I worked so hard on my shot. So when

776
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: I shot it, it felt good and it was just

777
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: in rhythm. It's something it was something that I did

778
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: every day, and you know, I just expected it to

779
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:19,839
Speaker 1: go in. And when it went in and you know,

780
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:23,839
Speaker 1: the fans went created, it was you know, I look

781
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 1: at videos and see it, but like as I like,

782
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 1: I try to remember it being in that being that

783
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 1: spot's kind of hard to remember. You were just in

784
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: the zone. It was just like you were in flow.

785
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: It was amazing. It was amazing first playing with them.

786
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 1: Did you think that year? So for me, it felt

787
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: like between ninety eight and probably two three, that was

788
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 1: our window. That was like our window to really make

789
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,720
Speaker 1: a run for it. But that year specifically, I felt

790
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: like number one seed, number one seed, had we beaten

791
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 1: the Lakers, is game over? We're taking the nets in

792
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: five games. Probably did you feel like we were we

793
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 1: were the best team in the league. Your No, hands down.

794
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 1: I think the Lakers knew it, the league knew it,

795
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: and I think everybody in the world knew it. I mean,

796
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,320
Speaker 1: it was just that it was we should have it

797
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 1: shouldn't have went to Game seven. It's unfortunately we kind

798
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: of we kind of shipped the bed in Game seven.

799
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: But uh, you know what happens, and you know, we

800
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: thought we'd have another chance, you know, coming in coming

801
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 1: in next year, you know, but injuries kind of hit

802
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 1: us and it was kind of you know, like you said,

803
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 1: our window was you know, one or two years during

804
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 1: that year. So so for me, Game six was probably

805
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: one of the worst American tragedies in history. I'm not

806
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: joking for everybody. For everybody, So as is happening, there's

807
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 1: there's there's Look, we could talk about we could talk

808
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: about what what what happened with Lottie. We could talk

809
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 1: about the pinky, the pinky on Shack's palm and that

810
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: being a foul. We can talk about Weber getting called

811
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 1: on offensive fouls while while Robert or He's winning an

812
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: oscar and flopping but I want to I want to

813
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 1: talk talk about your moment with Kobe with the elbow

814
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 1: to you. He the inbound passes coming and you get

815
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: called for the foul. No, actually got to the foul.

816
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 1: They called the foul on Doug after they threw the

817
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:12,839
Speaker 1: ball in. Yes, I mean he did it. He did

818
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: it kind of smooth as you know, stay like a

819
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: savvy veteran would do. You know, it made it made

820
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 1: it look like it wasn't on purpose, and you know,

821
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: I mean you can see the ref looking dead at

822
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: it right there. It was just I mean, it's a

823
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 1: different ball game. We get that call, and I mean,

824
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 1: like I said, he can't look dright on the past

825
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 1: or whatever, but we get that. We get that call

826
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 1: to our ball with about you know, ten eleven, twelve,

827
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 1: thirteen seconds left down one. So you know that's a

828
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 1: different story. I love playing in LA, so it probably

829
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: it probably would have been bad for him. Yeah, just

830
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 1: go was that your was that your favorite team to

831
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: go against? Like playing in La versus playing in LA

832
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: because I mean you hear you could hear stuff because

833
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: it's kind of quiet there actually, and yes, you hear

834
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,879
Speaker 1: you can hear everything that somebody's saying to you and Mike,

835
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more. Bro, I've said this before, and

836
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 1: La fans get after me. Staple Center is great for

837
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: recording a podcast, It's great for breaking up with a girlfriend.

838
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: You want to call your grandmother overseas, go to Staple Center.

839
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: Amazing reception, very quiet. You need to take a zoom

840
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: meeting job interview. Go to Staple Center during a Laker game.

841
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: I mean, it's quite when everybody goes to be seen there,

842
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 1: so you know, I mean, it's it's a it's la

843
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,319
Speaker 1: that's what that's what you do out there, so I mean,

844
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 1: but you can hear everything. I think they brought the

845
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 1: best out of me, and I just felt good when

846
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 1: I went there because it's like me against everybody that's

847
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: that's there, and that's how I felt during that era.

848
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 1: Be honest, be honest, we weren't that scared of Kobe.

849
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 1: Were We must respect to to Kobe and the legacy,

850
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: But o to Kobe, we weren't. We weren't pressed about Kobe.

851
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: It was Shack who repressed it. No, there was no

852
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 1: one to be scared of. Really, but we like when

853
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,359
Speaker 1: we set up for our games, you know, we are

854
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,839
Speaker 1: we are thing. You know, Doug did a pretty good

855
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 1: job on Kobe. You know, Doug's about six seven, and

856
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: you know he kind of held his own against Kobe.

857
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 1: But Shack was Shack was something different. I've never I

858
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 1: said Shack was the most dominant player that I've seen,

859
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: you know, just in fact in basketball, just how strong

860
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 1: he was, fast, and I mean we did to make

861
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:25,839
Speaker 1: sure he saw three people every time you got the ball.

862
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: That was our that was our game plan. Make sure

863
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 1: you saw three people. How did you get in there

864
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: and earned the team of the respect of the team

865
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: so quick? Just by how you worked? Or were you

866
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 1: a quiet leader? Were you vocal? Or was it just

867
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 1: through how your actions? Because I can already tell I

868
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 1: can answer the question. Probably through your actions. You the

869
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,760
Speaker 1: guy that works his ass off. Yeah. I worked hard,

870
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 1: and I mean I was in the gym. It was

871
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 1: right across from the arena. So there was plenty of times,

872
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: plenty of games that after games I went and shot

873
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 1: you know, three hundred makes and you know three hundred

874
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 1: fifty makes for in and makes after a game. And

875
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,439
Speaker 1: I didn't come in like my age. And the first

876
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 1: thing my agent told me, like this team's established, you

877
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,919
Speaker 1: don't have to come in and woo anybody and doing

878
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 1: all that. Just you know, be a constant player, you know,

879
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,320
Speaker 1: knocked down shots and just play off of these guys

880
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 1: and things will go for herself. That's why. That's how

881
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: I played in the regular season. You know, I was

882
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 1: thirteen points in the regular season, and it was just like, okay,

883
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: now I see that. Like the first practice, I remember

884
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 1: passing the ball, come through the lane, the ball I ducked.

885
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 1: The ball almost hit me in the head. And you know,

886
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 1: I remember Coach Carell rest in peace. He was like,

887
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 1: if every ready, young fella, the balls are coming, you know.

888
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,919
Speaker 1: So I wasn't used to, you know, getting passes after

889
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: I get the ball up, you know. I mean, so

890
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 1: I had to adjust my whole game and do a

891
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 1: whole different games game plan from the way I played. Well,

892
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,839
Speaker 1: you're used to a team that can pass like that.

893
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: When you were in Memphis, I mean everyone, I mean,

894
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 1: Weber v. Lotti, everyone could move the ball. Everyone the

895
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 1: best two big passes probably the games ever seen. So,

896
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: like I mean, and then coover our thing was kind

897
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: of throwing in the post. You know, back then they're

898
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 1: played inside out, so you're throwing in the post, you

899
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: get a double team out kicked out. Now you play

900
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: out that way. Now, now you know, we start a

901
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: getting playing different after that. Do you feel like at

902
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 1: the time, during that era, at least when you played

903
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 1: with the Kings, in my opinion, you were one of

904
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 1: the best mid range shooting guards in the league. It's

905
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: funny because our air was kind of the mid range shooters,

906
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 1: you know. For sure, trail Brand and Sam could sell

907
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 1: you go all the way down the line. Everybody shot

908
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 1: mid range. That was that was the thing to do

909
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 1: with memor range. Who was your toughest cover because no disrespect,

910
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 1: but it wasn't defish. It wasn't defish right, you know, yes,

911
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:48,319
Speaker 1: it my defense. I wasn't really a great defensive player.

912
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 1: I always tell everybody they paid me to put the

913
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 1: ball in the basket. So I wasn't really you know,

914
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 1: going and trying to work on defense. We had Doug

915
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: Christie and Bobby Jackson for that. So, uh my, my

916
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:02,359
Speaker 1: hardest cover was the farm Marlburry. Just the fact that

917
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: yet he he was gonna shoot thirty shots of game.

918
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 1: So you're gonna have to play deep, you gonna have

919
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 1: to play true defense. Every possession. Uh. He was strong,

920
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 1: he was quick, he was fast, he was athletic. He

921
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:16,879
Speaker 1: was a dog. Like the biggest thing with him, He's

922
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 1: from New York. He's a dog. And every guy he

923
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 1: played against he wanted to show, Hey, I'm buried in

924
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 1: you and and going and playing like that. That's that's hard.

925
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:27,760
Speaker 1: You know. You get a lot of guys that playing

926
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: in the NBA that you know, are cap that five

927
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 1: shots a game. You know, if you go to again,

928
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: you're going to somebody shooting five shots. I'm like, okay,

929
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 1: I gotta i'mna have an easy night. Defensively, him, he's

930
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 1: gonna he's getting at least thirty right. So so, I

931
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:45,839
Speaker 1: don't know if you saw the Donegie documentary. You see

932
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 1: it on Netflix. I haven't seen it yet. Probably I'm

933
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: not gonna watch it. I'm not gonna watch that. I

934
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 1: can't even watch it. Most of the games. I can't

935
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 1: even watch the game six. Still that fourth court, I

936
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 1: still can't watch that. Well, it's probably the same way

937
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: I'm in New Yorker. I don't want to watch like

938
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 1: United ninety three, you know what I mean. I don't

939
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 1: want to see that ship. It was a trag yeah,

940
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:06,359
Speaker 1: I get it. I mean, who do you blame more

941
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 1: for the loss Tim Donnie and these corrupt refs or

942
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:14,399
Speaker 1: the fact that Paiga was in full strength. You're talking

943
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 1: about game game, Well he was, wasn't he coming up?

944
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 1: Bavetta was the ref on the games? Right? Yeah? Bvetday

945
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: you did you get? Did you get love from the refs?

946
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 1: Or no? You didn't get You didn't get the special treatment,

947
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 1: did you? Mike? For a couple of years, I did.

948
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 1: It was like two or three years. And after that

949
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,479
Speaker 1: once I after that, once I started going to the best,

950
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 1: it wasn't getting those same calls. I was like, I

951
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 1: guess my time's up is up? Wow, So it is real.

952
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 1: It is real, right, I mean, I mean there's superstars.

953
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:54,879
Speaker 1: You gotta take care of the superstars. I can't tell

954
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: you how validated I feel, because I would get into

955
00:46:57,719 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: it with Laker fans and they're like, what are you

956
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 1: talking about? Talking about the refs? Cook the game? What

957
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:03,879
Speaker 1: are you talking about? And I was like, So when

958
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 1: the documentary came out and and Donnegie basically was like, look,

959
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 1: there was a group of us that we were told

960
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 1: as company men, Hey, you got to take care of

961
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: the guys that are leading the league and take care

962
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 1: of them, and you'll be taken care of the fans

963
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 1: want to see them. That's any league. I mean, whether

964
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 1: it's hockey, football, baseball, they're gonna it's gonna be taking

965
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 1: care of us. You feel that way during the regular season, yes,

966
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: during the postseason, I would say they let us. They

967
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: let us play a bunch like you could always tell

968
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 1: DB's heat away with a lot more when you're running routes.

969
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,399
Speaker 1: In the playoffs, they let they let the boy. They say,

970
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:44,240
Speaker 1: you know, do businesses. Business is being done, and guys,

971
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 1: you know it gets a little more physical that you

972
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 1: could push off more and they could grab you more.

973
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 1: It's just see what the but the benefit of the the

974
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:53,879
Speaker 1: doubt is going to go to you guys in the

975
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 1: Patriots right now. That's what people think we just had.

976
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 1: I mean we you will get all those yeah, But

977
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 1: it wasn't like that. A lot of the times it

978
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 1: felt like they were against us, honestly, like the league

979
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 1: was pissed. The league didn't want they want parody. They

980
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 1: didn't like having someone at the top like they fucking

981
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 1: they suspended Brady for four games with no evidence, Like

982
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 1: are you kidding me, like legit, Like if you look

983
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:27,240
Speaker 1: read through that fucking report, nothing says nothing was done

984
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:31,280
Speaker 1: illegally or anything. I feel like four games wasn't enough. Jewels.

985
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 1: That's the way I feel, bro. Yeah, I mean when

986
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 1: you're on top, bro, people will try to knock you down.

987
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 1: I'm wonderful. Tell me about it. People who talk to

988
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: my Manulie Manning shit fucked up shits, fucked up the jewels.

989
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 1: I'm a fan of you guys too. I used to

990
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 1: watch you guys and just be in all you know,

991
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 1: you didn't you weren't six seven six ' five like

992
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 1: all these other guys were. You were a killer out

993
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,320
Speaker 1: there too. I love it. No, man, you were a

994
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 1: huge inspiration. Like I said, you were always, you know,

995
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 1: undersized guy, but you could always tell through your preparation.

996
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 1: And I was a preparation guy like you said, after

997
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: a game, go hit three hundred shots, Like I was

998
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 1: the type of guy that was always there at six

999
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 1: catching balls. I had to get my eyes warmed, I

1000
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 1: had to get my body right for the day, just

1001
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 1: like trying to win each and every single day. And

1002
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 1: you know, you're a huge definitely showed. I appreciate that.

1003
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: Bro We asked, you know, Haston asked you about who

1004
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 1: you hated defending. Who were pests on defense? Who was

1005
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 1: Fisher paint in the ass? No, Uh, they used to

1006
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 1: send They used to send guys that, you know, their

1007
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 1: main goal was just coming here and just try to

1008
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 1: irritating like Goose and Shits. I think I could probably

1009
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:49,800
Speaker 1: say he's the probably the biggest best out there. He

1010
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 1: just he's come out there and hack me and just

1011
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:53,839
Speaker 1: try to get away with stuff that he couldn't get

1012
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:56,359
Speaker 1: away with. He couldn't. He just couldn't. He couldn't keep up.

1013
00:49:56,440 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 1: You're not feel bad for him? Wow. Another another former Nick,

1014
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 1: shout out to Sasha, thank you for your service. Hey,

1015
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: so just you know, that's just what they put him

1016
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 1: in to try to, you know, get on my nerves.

1017
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 1: So so, Mike, let me ask you something real quick.

1018
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: What what what made you the why the three hundred made?

1019
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:18,320
Speaker 1: Was it? Was that something you learned from your pops?

1020
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 1: Or like, what what was the why the three hundred?

1021
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: Because it was at one o'clock in the morning and

1022
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:26,800
Speaker 1: I had practice a day. But you know, during the

1023
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,839
Speaker 1: summer I make it probably fifty seven hundred makes a day.

1024
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:33,359
Speaker 1: Seven fift he makes a day. How how many makes

1025
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 1: do you make your son go through? When you were

1026
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: because I read that you were you had been training

1027
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,359
Speaker 1: him and coaching him since he was nine. Yeah, so

1028
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 1: he Uh, I just put him through a workout, you know.

1029
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 1: I mean, the kids are different than how we were

1030
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 1: back then. So if you give him too much, they're

1031
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 1: going to start to complain. So you know, you got

1032
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 1: to give him and keep their mindset kind of focused.

1033
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 1: And once he starts, he's tired or his leg hurts,

1034
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 1: and all right, give me ten free throws and you're done.

1035
00:50:55,600 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 1: So that sounds like my pops. Are you still watching

1036
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,359
Speaker 1: the game a lot? Mike? Are you still watching any

1037
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 1: of these younger guys right now in the NBA? And

1038
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 1: if so, who are people you like? Watch? Watch? I

1039
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 1: watch all the time. You know, you know, I love

1040
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: the Sons, fun Sons got with Chris Paul. The edition

1041
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 1: of Chris Paul, I think was a great addition. Uh.

1042
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 1: You know, you gotta watch Steph and Stephan the Warriors.

1043
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 1: And you know, John Moran I think is a monster.

1044
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:27,319
Speaker 1: He's a monster. And you know, like Jason Tatum, you

1045
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:28,879
Speaker 1: go all the way down there's a lot of young guys.

1046
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 1: Like I said, I think the NBA the future is

1047
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 1: in good hands. But John Moran, I mean he just

1048
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:38,439
Speaker 1: he has that dog mentality like he's gonna he's gonna

1049
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 1: make sure it happens. And that's the mentality you gotta

1050
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 1: have playing, you know, playing against guys. We were talking

1051
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 1: earlier that you guys were almost ten years before. You

1052
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 1: guys are almost ten years too early for what you

1053
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: guys were. Bro, we were the Warriors before the Warriors.

1054
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 1: I'm gonna just say it. I mean they kind of

1055
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 1: we run the same ie for offense kind of, you know,

1056
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 1: it's the Princeton offense and you know a lot of

1057
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 1: cuts and you know what was tough other teams couldn't

1058
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 1: really you know, when you go through walkthrough and these

1059
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 1: are the players they're gonna run and when they do this,

1060
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 1: they do this. You couldn't do that with us because

1061
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 1: you never knew. We didn't know what we were gonna

1062
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 1: run until it happens. You know a lot of back cuts,

1063
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 1: splits and you know, i mean Bloody and Web put

1064
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 1: the ball right on the money. So it's hard to

1065
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 1: it was hard to prepare for us. What was the

1066
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:31,320
Speaker 1: like what was Rick what were you guys talking about

1067
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:35,399
Speaker 1: going into the series, Like, what's the strategy? We got

1068
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: the Lakers. We got to make sure Shaq she's three people,

1069
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 1: you know what what I mean. There's we send in a

1070
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 1: lot of video shot being in the paint for about

1071
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 1: you know, seven eight nine seconds, So I mean, he's

1072
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 1: gonna be he's he's hard to stop already, but when

1073
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 1: he's gonna pay for that long, it's gonna be impossible.

1074
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:58,359
Speaker 1: So we were trying to get any you know, any

1075
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 1: kind of plus we can out of it. Did it?

1076
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 1: Did it help playing in Sacramento? Because no disrespect. You know,

1077
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 1: I've played there, I've done gigs there and stuff. Not

1078
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 1: a ton of distraction in that city, was that? I mean, look,

1079
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 1: there's a few good bars and stuff, But like, were

1080
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:15,840
Speaker 1: you guys a very disciplined g factories popping in Sacramento?

1081
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 1: Don't you dare disrespect factory? Don't you dare disrespect Barning

1082
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: Fair Mall. There's a lot happening there. There's a foot

1083
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 1: locker and action. Now, there's a lot of distractions. This distraction,

1084
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 1: there's attractions. You go anywhere, really, you can find distractions anywhere.

1085
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 1: But I mean it's it's a small it's a small

1086
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 1: it's a small place, you know. I mean, everybody knows everybody,

1087
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:38,800
Speaker 1: and you know the leagues, everybody the same league. So

1088
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 1: I still know a lot of people out there, still

1089
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 1: a lot of friends out there too. So I love

1090
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 1: I love playing Sacramento. That was that was kind of

1091
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 1: catapuled me in my career, you know, kind of jump

1092
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 1: started my career again. I mean that they're rich. They

1093
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 1: probably took helicopters of the Bay. Hey, I can't get

1094
00:53:56,640 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 1: a helicopter. No, thank you? All right, Pierre freaks me out. Mike.

1095
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 1: Do you ever think, Mike, do you ever think that

1096
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 1: when you watched the league now, do you feel like

1097
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 1: it's a good hands Do you ever feel like I

1098
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 1: could play in that league or do you feel like

1099
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:10,799
Speaker 1: you were tailor made to play in the era that

1100
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 1: you played in. I think I could have played in

1101
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 1: that league, you know. I mean it's being a shooter.

1102
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 1: I think I could play, you know what I mean.

1103
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 1: And that's what I shot more threes, you know, like

1104
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 1: the most the most three that I were shot, like

1105
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 1: an average in the year was I think six. The game,

1106
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:29,759
Speaker 1: you know, you got guys shooting twenty threes a game now.

1107
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 1: I mean it's a different game now, but I think

1108
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 1: I could. I think I could play in this league

1109
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 1: this era for six for your for that era is

1110
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 1: a high number. Yeah it is. I felt like I

1111
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:45,359
Speaker 1: said a lot of threes. Actually yeah, it was in

1112
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 1: range back then. Yo. So so Mike, just real quick,

1113
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 1: I mean you look great. A lot of players, man,

1114
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 1: A lot of heroes that I had growing up. I

1115
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 1: had their champion jerseys and I see them now boys

1116
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:58,320
Speaker 1: are looking rough. So when did you get into bodybuilding?

1117
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 1: And you're like, yo, I'm gonna be mister Olympia here.

1118
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:02,800
Speaker 1: You know what. I used to lift all the time.

1119
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 1: You know, whenever I come back from from from summer.

1120
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 1: They'd always tell me, like the trainer like Mike, you can't.

1121
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 1: You can't lift like that when you go home, like

1122
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 1: you got it. They want they don't want you to

1123
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:18,759
Speaker 1: like they used to frown upon lifting weights like there's

1124
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 1: been playing time out. Yeah, Rick Alan come through the

1125
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 1: weight room and be mad we were lifting. Why But

1126
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 1: what's the reason? Just from being they want you to. Yeah,

1127
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 1: they want you to be able to move. You got

1128
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 1: to be able to They want you to be able

1129
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:35,359
Speaker 1: to be agile. You know, if you if you're all

1130
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 1: stock and stuff, you can won't be able to move. Well,

1131
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:40,400
Speaker 1: how about someone like Luca right now, he doesn't like

1132
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:42,719
Speaker 1: you know, he looks like a bigger dude. He's not

1133
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:45,760
Speaker 1: lifting weights. Yeah, you're not lifting weights. That's just the size.

1134
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, that boy, he's just when you put muscle on.

1135
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:52,279
Speaker 1: When you put muscle on your you give you like,

1136
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:54,400
Speaker 1: because football we have to put the muscle on to

1137
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 1: be able to endure hits. Like you leave your when

1138
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:00,839
Speaker 1: you pump yourself out and you look to Jack is Mike,

1139
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 1: you get vulnerable pulling out you know, your hamstrings or

1140
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:07,360
Speaker 1: stuff like that. You can also get hurt in the

1141
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:10,360
Speaker 1: fucking weight room. Like It's just it's you leave yourself

1142
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 1: more vulnerable getting hurt. So that's why a lot of

1143
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:15,800
Speaker 1: guys like with TV twelve and it's the whole method

1144
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:18,760
Speaker 1: of being long and pliable so you can be rubber

1145
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 1: bandy and not get hurt. Yeah, I gotta know from

1146
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 1: this era because there were a lot of characters on

1147
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:28,400
Speaker 1: this team. Any memories of you know, team bonding stuff

1148
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 1: or going out with these guys, it was everybody had

1149
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 1: their own stuff, you know. But Lotty was I think glod.

1150
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:36,839
Speaker 1: He was probably the best team I had as far

1151
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 1: as just his attitude, Like, no matter if you had

1152
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 1: a good game, bad game, he was going to be

1153
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 1: the same person on the plane. You know. I played

1154
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 1: with people that you know, didn't get their points or whatever,

1155
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:52,319
Speaker 1: won't sit with you know, at the card table that night.

1156
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 1: And I mean just Lotty was ringler of everything. And

1157
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 1: Lotty was amazing for a fifty eight year old, he

1158
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:03,839
Speaker 1: had an amazingitude. I caught I caught Bloody smoking one

1159
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 1: time and smoking cigarette in the bathroom one time. I

1160
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 1: can't use the bath and like, so he was a

1161
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 1: chain smoker, right, this was the smoker. But I seen

1162
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 1: him smoking a cigarette before the game and I was like,

1163
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 1: I said, come on, the game about to start in

1164
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 1: five minutes, he was in the smoking cigarette. I mean,

1165
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 1: I guess you got to do you know what? So

1166
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 1: so how was it for him? He's seeing you doing

1167
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 1: dead lifts and he's got the sausage arms and he's

1168
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 1: chain smoking. These are two very different people. But but

1169
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 1: but you guys are you guys? Are everybody loved Lottie?

1170
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 1: So how did you? How did you gel with that?

1171
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 1: But it's playing style lended it. I mean, you're bloody.

1172
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 1: You can smoke a cigarette. Youre Vince Carter. You got

1173
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 1: to put down the mall, bro, you know what I mean?

1174
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 1: Like Bloody can smoke. Yeah, I mean, Bloody wasn't moving

1175
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 1: too quick, he wasn't jumping too high. Bloody would beachy

1176
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 1: with it with his i Q his brain and he

1177
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 1: knew that. So I mean, regardless of how he came

1178
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 1: in the night before or what he's doing before the game,

1179
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 1: he'll be all right. What was she? Web? Like? Alpha dog?

1180
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 1: You know? I mean he was just a dog, you know.

1181
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 1: And he everybody on the team knew it. He was

1182
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 1: the captain, and you know, we knew every night that

1183
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 1: it wasn't going to be our night. But Web, we

1184
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 1: knew it was going to be his night because that's

1185
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 1: what he is. The average is, you know, twenty eight

1186
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 1: and twelve. So everybody fell in the line after that,

1187
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 1: and everybody knew it. That's what made it so good.

1188
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 1: No one, no one expected to have that night like

1189
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 1: Webb was having every night. We had so many guys

1190
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 1: that were good that it might Behtos night, Tonight, Pagees night,

1191
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 1: Bobby's night by night and everybody was good with that. Now,

1192
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 1: did anyone joke around about the technique or the timeout

1193
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 1: with him or was he like kind of sensitive about that?

1194
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 1: No one said, no one, not when I was there.

1195
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 1: He was there for like four years before I got there.

1196
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 1: But you know, I mean, people ain't mistakes. And you know,

1197
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 1: I heard somebody called time out on the thing. You know,

1198
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 1: he was a kid at the time who he was

1199
00:58:56,880 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 1: probably eighteen years old, But I mean it happened, you

1200
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:02,440
Speaker 1: know what I mean, and that was the reason why

1201
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:06,600
Speaker 1: they lost the game. Yeah. Yo, It's interesting. Every time

1202
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 1: I do any of these sports podcasts with with former athletes,

1203
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 1: they always talk about having that dog in them. Jewles,

1204
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:13,919
Speaker 1: you were talking about it before Mike came on. Mike,

1205
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 1: You've been talking about it. When you talk about a

1206
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 1: guy that has like that dog in them, What's what

1207
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 1: does that mean? They're going to fuck you up in practice,

1208
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 1: like you know? Or is it mental toughness or clutch?

1209
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 1: What is it? I'll let Mike. I'll let Mike go

1210
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 1: and then I'll give you my version. Yeah, name names, Bro,

1211
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 1: name names, the Statute of limitations. Bro's other dudes who

1212
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:36,640
Speaker 1: are dogs? We want to know something, Kobe was do

1213
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 1: just have a mentality of fuck it, I'm going to

1214
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:41,920
Speaker 1: go out here. This is what I'm gonna do. You know,

1215
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 1: I would like it or not, And I'm gonna be

1216
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 1: physical with you. This is why I grew up. I'm hungry.

1217
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 1: You could go. It could mean a whole bunch of

1218
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 1: different things. But like you know, Kobe Marberry, Carmelo Anthony,

1219
00:59:57,160 --> 00:59:58,960
Speaker 1: I mean, like you just keep going on. And I

1220
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 1: like the guys that you look and like nothing phases them.

1221
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 1: They want to be in that situation. Uh. They want

1222
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 1: to be in the trenches and when it's rough, and

1223
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:10,480
Speaker 1: I want the ball in my hands at the end

1224
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 1: of the game. I don't run from it. I want

1225
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 1: to do this. I mean just just a little stuff

1226
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:17,640
Speaker 1: like did you play that way? I feel like that

1227
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 1: era with the Kings, you played that way, Like you

1228
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:24,320
Speaker 1: seem fearless. You seem fearless down the stretch. I would

1229
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 1: I would I fear this, Yeah, But I mean I've

1230
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 1: worked so hard on it and I didn't expect anything different.

1231
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:32,920
Speaker 1: And like my mentality, I have a mentality of a dog. Yes,

1232
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 1: I feel I am or I was one. I still

1233
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:37,959
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll still go to the gym still hold

1234
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 1: my own, still get physical, still get loud, you know

1235
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 1: what I mean. That's just that's just me. Yeah. A dog,

1236
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:50,040
Speaker 1: to me, yeah, a dog is like a motherfucker that

1237
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:52,640
Speaker 1: eats a steak with his hands and not a forking knife.

1238
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:54,720
Speaker 1: A guy that knows he's going to go across the

1239
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:58,560
Speaker 1: middle and fucking he knows he's going to get decapitated,

1240
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 1: but he gonna make the catch, he's gonna get up

1241
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:04,920
Speaker 1: talking ship like letting people know that was that was

1242
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 1: That's how I tried to play a game. Someone that

1243
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 1: was not just competitive out the game, but that fucking

1244
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:12,680
Speaker 1: was competitive in practice. We're in practice and walk through

1245
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:15,200
Speaker 1: and you guys getting in fights because we're getting too

1246
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:17,240
Speaker 1: physical or we're taking a guy to the ground, you're

1247
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:19,960
Speaker 1: making a hard block. But like, if you're gonna get

1248
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:21,960
Speaker 1: mad at me, then fucking stop me. So you you

1249
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:25,120
Speaker 1: be a fucking dog. That's what a dog is, you know,

1250
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:29,200
Speaker 1: Like in our world you were younger a good example

1251
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 1: of a dog too, as a fan, as a spectator,

1252
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:34,920
Speaker 1: Julian Mike, you're both great players who got even better

1253
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 1: in the postseason. To me, that's a dog. When the

1254
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 1: lights shine bright, you can't you can't run that. That's

1255
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:44,320
Speaker 1: that's what that's a dog. Yeah, you gotta want it.

1256
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:49,560
Speaker 1: Can't be afraid to fail either, No, that that's that's

1257
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:52,320
Speaker 1: like the ultimate thing. You're gonna fail. You sometimes you

1258
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:54,880
Speaker 1: know you're gonna fail, but you're still gonna fucking go

1259
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:57,800
Speaker 1: out there. So, Mike, I gotta ask you, so, who's

1260
01:01:57,800 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 1: got the who's got those Jordan seventeen? All black loves

1261
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:03,760
Speaker 1: that you hit the jumper in where they at and

1262
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:05,480
Speaker 1: pull them out on zoom. We need to see them.

1263
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:08,160
Speaker 1: I don't have those anymore. Those are long gone. That's

1264
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 1: over what the squad? Who's got a wow? The arena

1265
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:21,400
Speaker 1: from Arco? Yeah, under rubble it is probably now and

1266
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:25,280
Speaker 1: somebody took it. Do you do you late? Do you

1267
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:28,040
Speaker 1: still identify as a Sacramento King? Is there a team

1268
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:31,880
Speaker 1: you identify most strongly with and he's King? Yeah? Yeah,

1269
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:33,520
Speaker 1: I think I think that, Like I said, that was

1270
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:38,280
Speaker 1: that was my best Your Sacramento Atlanta were probably my

1271
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:42,200
Speaker 1: best years, you know, and d the end of Vancouver.

1272
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:45,440
Speaker 1: But I think I'm known for being Sacramento King mostly.

1273
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:48,680
Speaker 1: I mean that's the thing everybody says, like Mike bybe

1274
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:54,120
Speaker 1: Sacramento Kings. So I mean, I'll say, Kings are they

1275
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:55,800
Speaker 1: hard for you to watch though? Right now? Because of

1276
01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:58,720
Speaker 1: the way they play? Don't do this, Sam Bro? Does

1277
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:00,920
Speaker 1: it make you sad? Think that the days of their

1278
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 1: glory are long gone? So player, they got good players stuff.

1279
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:10,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I haven't been around the organization for a

1280
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:12,360
Speaker 1: little bit, but I don't know what's going on, so

1281
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:14,840
Speaker 1: I don't really chime in on what the inside is.

1282
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 1: But I mean, don't hear you up for stuff? He's

1283
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:22,400
Speaker 1: coaching now, he's coaching. Man, he's busy. I wish they would.

1284
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:24,720
Speaker 1: I wish they could make sure this gets them so

1285
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:26,400
Speaker 1: they can send me to get some do some stuff

1286
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:30,040
Speaker 1: for Let's go. Let's go, Ship, Mike. We need shooting,

1287
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:31,720
Speaker 1: we need it, we need that. We need dogs on

1288
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 1: that squad. Bro. I'm ready, I'm ready. It's a family reunion.

1289
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:36,840
Speaker 1: I visited, I went, I went back a couple of

1290
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:39,720
Speaker 1: years ago. Bobby's working there, if Lottie's working there, it's

1291
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 1: like a high school union. I have another question actually

1292
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:44,320
Speaker 1: regarding the current team, because we had Gilbert Arenas on

1293
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:47,040
Speaker 1: here and he says that if you're too fast, your

1294
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:50,360
Speaker 1: jump shot is ship. Is that darreon Fox's problem. Wow,

1295
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:54,680
Speaker 1: that's interesting. I don't. I mean, he's a good he's

1296
01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:57,040
Speaker 1: a good little player, young player. I think he I

1297
01:03:57,040 --> 01:03:58,960
Speaker 1: don't know how a shot is. I mean he shot.

1298
01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:01,720
Speaker 1: He's a scorer, so I don't know how the shot is.

1299
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:04,400
Speaker 1: But I mean, like I said, I was never blessed

1300
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:06,960
Speaker 1: with that speed, so I really can't comment. You know,

1301
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:09,600
Speaker 1: I was kind of slow and took my time and

1302
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:11,960
Speaker 1: get to where I want to get to and kind

1303
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:16,880
Speaker 1: of use my brain instead of more physical attributes. All right,

1304
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:18,280
Speaker 1: I want to end with this. We got we got

1305
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:21,760
Speaker 1: one last question. We're all curious about it. Can we

1306
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:25,960
Speaker 1: get one Kobe story? It could be from any time

1307
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:29,280
Speaker 1: of your career. I mean, I'll give you a story

1308
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:32,720
Speaker 1: that no one knows. That no one knows. Mike. It

1309
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:38,000
Speaker 1: was I forget what year it was was, maybe when

1310
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:40,080
Speaker 1: they were breaking the team up. I was supposed to

1311
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:43,720
Speaker 1: get traded to the Lakers. And wow, it was probably

1312
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:49,440
Speaker 1: like I'll say, maybe four or five, maybe two that

1313
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:51,040
Speaker 1: was four or five. We just I just got on

1314
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:53,600
Speaker 1: the phone with him and you know, he called me.

1315
01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:56,400
Speaker 1: You know, you know his voice is very distinct. You

1316
01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 1: might but we were trying to get us trying to

1317
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:01,080
Speaker 1: get me the there, you know what I mean, And

1318
01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:04,800
Speaker 1: it finally end up calling me like two days later, like, man,

1319
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:06,919
Speaker 1: it didn't work out. The loose didn't want to send

1320
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:09,840
Speaker 1: you to l A. So I mean, then it was

1321
01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:11,520
Speaker 1: supposed to, then it was supposed to be to Cleveland,

1322
01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 1: then it was supposed to. Then I end up getting

1323
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:16,440
Speaker 1: Charity of Atlanta. But you know that that's that's about it.

1324
01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:18,760
Speaker 1: You know, Kobe is a great guy. With our dads

1325
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:23,960
Speaker 1: played together and in Philly, so I mean that that

1326
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:26,000
Speaker 1: was our ties there that we had there. Our dads

1327
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:29,920
Speaker 1: played together as well. That's amazing. Well, Mike, thank you man,

1328
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:33,000
Speaker 1: and thank you for never getting shook. Bro. There's a

1329
01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:34,880
Speaker 1: lot there's a lot of cupcakes out there, Bro, and

1330
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:37,280
Speaker 1: you weren't one of them. So thank you, thank you

1331
01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:43,200
Speaker 1: very much, thank you much. Thanks for coming on. Man.

1332
01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:45,160
Speaker 1: If you ever need anything our way, let me know

1333
01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:47,640
Speaker 1: if we can help do anything. Me a jersey, man,

1334
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:50,440
Speaker 1: I think a jersey. I got you a jersey. You

1335
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:52,800
Speaker 1: got to send me a jersey to put it in.

1336
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:55,320
Speaker 1: We gotta put in the studio. I'll send it to

1337
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:57,600
Speaker 1: you soon as you guys. I'll get it to you, guys.

1338
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:01,760
Speaker 1: I got you appreciate it for me to please. Oh

1339
01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:04,200
Speaker 1: fucking of course, I got you. You You gotta sign your egg.

1340
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:07,400
Speaker 1: I'll sign it. I'll see what I got it. You guys,

1341
01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:11,040
Speaker 1: just I'll get the address. I'll get you that. I

1342
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:15,480
Speaker 1: appreciate that. Wow, dude, I'm being honest. I think he

1343
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:19,320
Speaker 1: he's handled it emotionally way better than I. That's the

1344
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:21,880
Speaker 1: immediate assessment that I've gotten. He's like, yeah, I've moved on.

1345
01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:23,560
Speaker 1: I want to play with a guy like it. Like

1346
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:26,520
Speaker 1: he seems like a real He's a humble dude. He

1347
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:30,080
Speaker 1: could tell he works like he was kind of it

1348
01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:32,640
Speaker 1: wasn't like too buttered about it, like he was butter,

1349
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:35,200
Speaker 1: but like he knew he was like at peace with it. Yeah,

1350
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:37,200
Speaker 1: manas you have to be. You know what one of

1351
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:39,760
Speaker 1: the No No Sam, we're comics, you know, we're so

1352
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:44,200
Speaker 1: petty and weak pools us. He's retired, like we're still going.

1353
01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:47,240
Speaker 1: He's retired. Yeah, you can stay petty if you're still playing.

1354
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:50,080
Speaker 1: I think, oh, interesting, is the reason why comics were

1355
01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:51,520
Speaker 1: petty were like, well, I can't believe he said that

1356
01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:53,160
Speaker 1: about me on a podcast. Is because we're still It's

1357
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:58,000
Speaker 1: still got you if you ever retire as a comic.

1358
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:00,120
Speaker 1: I think you die. I want to go out like

1359
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:02,360
Speaker 1: Rickles or Jones. That's great. I want I want to

1360
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:06,240
Speaker 1: I want to die doing this. That's awesome. Yeah. Man,

1361
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:08,400
Speaker 1: I don't think you retire if you're like Michael Richards

1362
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:10,160
Speaker 1: or something, I don't think you retire. I think you're

1363
01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:12,280
Speaker 1: forced in the retirement. Yeah, you're kind of forced out.

1364
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:18,760
Speaker 1: He is jacked. Yeah. Yeah, I mean that's like a

1365
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:21,120
Speaker 1: big part of all of our childhoods. We're all the

1366
01:07:21,160 --> 01:07:23,280
Speaker 1: same age. I remember playing with him in like two

1367
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:26,480
Speaker 1: k I remember the Kings were like the cool team

1368
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:29,320
Speaker 1: because they had shooting, cool cool team and they could all.

1369
01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:32,560
Speaker 1: I mean, he's jewels. Are you in? I mean was it?

1370
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:34,680
Speaker 1: Was it strange for you to see he's in better

1371
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:37,200
Speaker 1: shape than he was in the league, Like are you

1372
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:40,320
Speaker 1: are you still ESPN body issue? Yeah? I'm still pretty dude,

1373
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:43,640
Speaker 1: I have to change. Yeah, I mean I'm not as

1374
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 1: I'm probably like five pounds less because I'm not lifting

1375
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:48,360
Speaker 1: as much. But I'm still in a pretty good cardio

1376
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:51,120
Speaker 1: and that's where that's where it is. Dude. Just give

1377
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:52,919
Speaker 1: him a lift up, come on, give him a little

1378
01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:55,280
Speaker 1: left show show off that he's got to doing this.

1379
01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:59,040
Speaker 1: He thirst trapping right now. I'm on thirst trap probation

1380
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:02,360
Speaker 1: according to Big Cat. So why yeah, because I guess

1381
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:03,920
Speaker 1: I do it too much here. Hey, so when you're

1382
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:06,320
Speaker 1: doing the Body Issue cover, where do they tuck you're junk? Bro?

1383
01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:08,280
Speaker 1: When you're doing the extend on the thigh, bro, you

1384
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:10,400
Speaker 1: trust me. Google Images, I cute it up. So I

1385
01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 1: sign up, So I'm not gonna lie to you. I

1386
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:15,040
Speaker 1: sign up for this thing. And you know it's hock

1387
01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:17,960
Speaker 1: and tape, right, that's what I listen. This is I'm listening.

1388
01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:21,800
Speaker 1: So they first off tell me like it's going to

1389
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:23,599
Speaker 1: be a small shoot. There's not gonna be that many

1390
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:25,840
Speaker 1: people there because it's nerve wracking. You're like, it's not

1391
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:29,759
Speaker 1: that small, Yeah, roll up there. There's fucking thirty five people.

1392
01:08:30,280 --> 01:08:33,639
Speaker 1: There's it's a huge set. And like once you get

1393
01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:36,120
Speaker 1: warmed up, you start taking these shots and then you

1394
01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:38,639
Speaker 1: go look at like the prints or you go look

1395
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:42,720
Speaker 1: at the samples, and like your dick's hanging out in

1396
01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:44,880
Speaker 1: front of the ball and ship and you're sitting there

1397
01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:47,320
Speaker 1: talking with the photographers. They don't pouch it. No, No,

1398
01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:51,160
Speaker 1: you're fully bald ball. That's crazy. And she goes Oh,

1399
01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:53,400
Speaker 1: don't worry. We could just we'll cut that out. Don't worry.

1400
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:55,760
Speaker 1: It's a good shot. Like the whole time everyone's looking

1401
01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:58,400
Speaker 1: at your dick. There's like social people taking pictures of

1402
01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:01,679
Speaker 1: your day. My god, wow, they promised a small set.

1403
01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:05,680
Speaker 1: No small set full bare knuckle berry out there when

1404
01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:08,960
Speaker 1: you go to the doctor, ESPN the magazine, no intimacy

1405
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:11,400
Speaker 1: coordinator for Julian. But you know when you go to

1406
01:09:11,439 --> 01:09:13,559
Speaker 1: the doctor and they're like, we have someone like learning,

1407
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:15,720
Speaker 1: can they come in, I'm like, I guess, But it's

1408
01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:18,240
Speaker 1: my dick. I know, I know. So you trim up,

1409
01:09:18,320 --> 01:09:20,200
Speaker 1: you trimmed up, do the whole thing. I trimmed up

1410
01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:21,960
Speaker 1: for that. Now I don't. I don't trim as much.

1411
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:25,400
Speaker 1: You can't be in like your mid thirties. Yeah, like

1412
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:28,080
Speaker 1: trimming up, having a shaved chest and arms. I used

1413
01:09:28,120 --> 01:09:29,760
Speaker 1: to do that stuff to make you. It looks makes

1414
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:31,880
Speaker 1: you look way more jacked on TV. I get it,

1415
01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:33,280
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like you never see the

1416
01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:36,280
Speaker 1: baseball guys. They tape up, you get vascular, you shave

1417
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:39,320
Speaker 1: up legs and stuff. You do the legs because you

1418
01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:41,400
Speaker 1: get your ankle tape. You don't get the shit ripped out,

1419
01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:44,360
Speaker 1: but no more trimming up. But I'm still I still

1420
01:09:44,360 --> 01:09:46,240
Speaker 1: got it. I'm still there. How do you feel when

1421
01:09:46,280 --> 01:09:49,639
Speaker 1: civilians like us talk about being athletic? Do you start laughing? No?

1422
01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:53,439
Speaker 1: Not at all? Okay, because like everyone's got a form

1423
01:09:53,439 --> 01:09:56,920
Speaker 1: of athleticism, because I'll flip it when I hear other

1424
01:09:56,920 --> 01:09:58,439
Speaker 1: people are like, oh, I want to do stand up,

1425
01:09:58,479 --> 01:10:00,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, good, we're not saying we want playing the NFL.

1426
01:10:01,040 --> 01:10:03,000
Speaker 1: Then they would laugh at us. But don't you feel

1427
01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:04,800
Speaker 1: what certain civilians are like I could do that. They

1428
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:06,920
Speaker 1: see clips of like you and Norman, and they're like, well,

1429
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:08,439
Speaker 1: you guys tell jokes. See I could tell a joke

1430
01:10:08,479 --> 01:10:10,400
Speaker 1: in ninety seconds. Y how hard it is to tell

1431
01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:13,360
Speaker 1: a samurai level. But that's my compliment. That means we're

1432
01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:15,439
Speaker 1: making it look easy. That's a compliment. I would put

1433
01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:17,720
Speaker 1: it more like I take offense to it. I put

1434
01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:19,600
Speaker 1: it like more like me trying to like zing in

1435
01:10:19,640 --> 01:10:21,960
Speaker 1: a quick joke around you guys. You guys are like,

1436
01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:23,760
Speaker 1: what the fuck is this guy doing? Because I feel

1437
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:25,679
Speaker 1: like some of the jokes that you land in your specials,

1438
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:27,360
Speaker 1: that's arm in the rim. I'm like, ah, how did

1439
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:28,960
Speaker 1: he land? Than? You know what? I mean I'm like, oh,

1440
01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:33,720
Speaker 1: because the level of difficulty. I mean, I don't know.

1441
01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:35,599
Speaker 1: Julian says he's not judging us. He's going to hop

1442
01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:38,120
Speaker 1: on a zoom with Mike Bibe. After this, the fucking

1443
01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:41,920
Speaker 1: nerds tried to hang the talking talking. It was cool.

1444
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:44,720
Speaker 1: He was cook bro, he was really cool, and that

1445
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:48,320
Speaker 1: was I would say, like an all time cool NBA team,

1446
01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:52,360
Speaker 1: Like yeah, forever. I think they're up there for sure. Especially,

1447
01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:54,559
Speaker 1: I mean, you ever did it? One of the coolest

1448
01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:56,720
Speaker 1: teams that didn't get a ring. I mean they're like

1449
01:10:56,800 --> 01:10:59,320
Speaker 1: top three definitely. I mean I put my ninety three,

1450
01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:02,240
Speaker 1: ninety four and there. I think that team's there. You

1451
01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:04,120
Speaker 1: got to put the seven seconds or less sons in

1452
01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:07,280
Speaker 1: there for sure, sons now she never got I think this,

1453
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:09,720
Speaker 1: even this Paul team was pretty damn cool. I'd even

1454
01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:13,680
Speaker 1: put twenty twelve Clippers that could never get over there

1455
01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:16,000
Speaker 1: on a couple of them. Yeah. The Houston Rockets with

1456
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:19,200
Speaker 1: Chris Paul too, Chris Chris Paul. It's just all Chris Paul.

1457
01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:22,360
Speaker 1: I think. I think I think the t mac Rockets went. Yeah,

1458
01:11:22,439 --> 01:11:25,080
Speaker 1: that little run. I think the Reggie Miller, sorry, the

1459
01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:29,439
Speaker 1: Red that Reggie Miller disagree, like ninety five Penny Shack,

1460
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:33,439
Speaker 1: the Hardaway, the Magic Moment. Yeah, man, damn you had

1461
01:11:33,479 --> 01:11:36,000
Speaker 1: some pretty good squads man. The ninety nine nixt were

1462
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:39,360
Speaker 1: pretty damn cool too, with Spree and Houston and LJ. Yeah,

1463
01:11:39,560 --> 01:11:43,040
Speaker 1: Marcus Camby about alj right, that was yeah. Yeah. The Nuggets,

1464
01:11:43,080 --> 01:11:45,240
Speaker 1: the Nuggets with Mellow two with ca we had that.

1465
01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:48,280
Speaker 1: That was a cool little team too. Yeah, man cool.

1466
01:11:48,439 --> 01:11:51,400
Speaker 1: Did we settle to prop bet Jake? Did we get it? Sorry? Fellas,

1467
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:54,200
Speaker 1: we came up a little bit short total? How many times?

1468
01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:57,439
Speaker 1: Just too? Hey? Can I be honest with you guys? Yeah,

1469
01:11:57,479 --> 01:11:58,760
Speaker 1: I was too nervous to say it when he was

1470
01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:02,160
Speaker 1: like what we all thought, I'm going to say that.

1471
01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:04,599
Speaker 1: I was gonna go, Mike, when you when'd you convert

1472
01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:10,439
Speaker 1: to Islam in prison? Because you're looking swollen? Bro. I

1473
01:12:10,479 --> 01:12:12,880
Speaker 1: was gonna call him brother Mike, but I got too scared.

1474
01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:15,479
Speaker 1: It's like seeing it, like it's like you know what

1475
01:12:15,560 --> 01:12:17,800
Speaker 1: I mean, He's like a part of my childhood. Yeah, dude,

1476
01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:19,680
Speaker 1: I mean I used to I interviewed Starks on a

1477
01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:22,080
Speaker 1: show and I was it's John Starks, John I love.

1478
01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:25,200
Speaker 1: What can I say except to be like thank you. Yeah,

1479
01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:27,040
Speaker 1: yeah I didn't. I didn't want. I couldn't get in

1480
01:12:27,080 --> 01:12:31,599
Speaker 1: there either because I I just well, what I loved

1481
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:33,120
Speaker 1: and what you must have loved about Starks what I

1482
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:35,439
Speaker 1: loved about him is I could tell you can just tell.

1483
01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:37,760
Speaker 1: It's crazy how you can kind of tell from TV

1484
01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:41,200
Speaker 1: even if you are just a civilian who who does

1485
01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:44,080
Speaker 1: have that dog in him? He really was super cool

1486
01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:46,880
Speaker 1: and collected and wasn't shook by Kobe. And that's what

1487
01:12:46,920 --> 01:12:50,400
Speaker 1: I loved about Starks to him, like McDaniel, those were

1488
01:12:50,439 --> 01:12:53,280
Speaker 1: those guys that would go like forehead to forehead with MJ.

1489
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:56,920
Speaker 1: And they kind of weren't like, oh, goat, he's a goat,

1490
01:12:56,960 --> 01:12:59,479
Speaker 1: Like even though MJ is the goat, they kind of

1491
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:03,120
Speaker 1: put Pierson over. Paul Pierce was great with Kobe. Yeah,

1492
01:13:03,200 --> 01:13:06,759
Speaker 1: Paul Pierce used to battle him. Yeah, Finals, MVP, anyone

1493
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:10,400
Speaker 1: who overachieves in the in the playoffs or just gets

1494
01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:13,479
Speaker 1: everything they can out of their ability. You got the dog. Yeah,

1495
01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:16,040
Speaker 1: it would have been crazy if you baby would have

1496
01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:19,160
Speaker 1: became a Laker with That's a crazy story. It probably got.

1497
01:13:19,240 --> 01:13:20,640
Speaker 1: What he probably didn't say is you know who we

1498
01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:23,120
Speaker 1: got instead of bibyous smush Parker and Kobe must have

1499
01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:27,000
Speaker 1: been fucking furious. Yeah, that must have well whatever, I mean,

1500
01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:29,160
Speaker 1: this was great. This is great to have you Hasson.

1501
01:13:30,160 --> 01:13:32,280
Speaker 1: Check out the King's gesture and got to check out

1502
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:36,679
Speaker 1: hilarious guy. Appreciate that. Biggest Kings fan I've ever met ever,

1503
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:40,679
Speaker 1: and thanks for joining us. You spiced This is awesome.

1504
01:13:40,760 --> 01:13:44,280
Speaker 1: This was energy of this episode was unlike anything We've

1505
01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:46,680
Speaker 1: appreciate it. No, you could just tell you loved it.

1506
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:50,679
Speaker 1: I was fucking we loved it. We loved having you.

1507
01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:52,559
Speaker 1: You just that was I get asked to a lot

1508
01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:54,120
Speaker 1: of pods. I was like when he told me about this,

1509
01:13:54,160 --> 01:13:57,320
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm fucking in. You're fucking funny too. We

1510
01:13:57,400 --> 01:13:59,360
Speaker 1: literally talked to the seller and I was like, if

1511
01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:01,200
Speaker 1: you could be on with any athlete, and he said

1512
01:14:01,240 --> 01:14:04,680
Speaker 1: Weber or Bibby, I'm there. Yeah, we have to get

1513
01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:07,519
Speaker 1: Weber and get your back. Oh man, can't wait see

1514
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:12,839
Speaker 1: that smile over Zoom. I'm here, beautiful hawsin reaction energy,

1515
01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:16,720
Speaker 1: just a pure fan. It's how we became friends. I

1516
01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:18,840
Speaker 1: mean we I met him a Gotham comedy club many

1517
01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:21,160
Speaker 1: years ago and he saw me, as he said in

1518
01:14:21,160 --> 01:14:24,000
Speaker 1: the Nick shirt and was like, I know this person,

1519
01:14:24,439 --> 01:14:27,759
Speaker 1: like I think that real fans can sniff out real fans,

1520
01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:30,440
Speaker 1: and he's a real sac fan. And you guys connected

1521
01:14:30,479 --> 01:14:34,479
Speaker 1: through like tragedies of your teams a lot of the time,

1522
01:14:34,680 --> 01:14:37,680
Speaker 1: and just obsession, obsession, you know, like you can just

1523
01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:40,880
Speaker 1: feel they were so close. You could tell he still

1524
01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:42,880
Speaker 1: takes it with him and just his excitement. I remember

1525
01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:46,320
Speaker 1: I saw him with the seller and he was like, dude, Bibby,

1526
01:14:46,520 --> 01:14:48,439
Speaker 1: like you would tell how much he still loves Bibby.

1527
01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:51,560
Speaker 1: He's so charismatic. I thought he was. I thought he

1528
01:14:51,640 --> 01:14:55,639
Speaker 1: was insanely funny. Yeah, he I mean he took over

1529
01:14:55,680 --> 01:14:58,360
Speaker 1: the show. Was he was so so excited to ask

1530
01:14:58,439 --> 01:15:01,120
Speaker 1: questions to Bibby. I jumped out of the way. I

1531
01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:02,720
Speaker 1: was like, hey man, this is all you. You know,

1532
01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:05,760
Speaker 1: your dress sharp. I mispronounced his name. I saw him

1533
01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:08,120
Speaker 1: give me a look and a correction. You know, I

1534
01:15:08,160 --> 01:15:13,200
Speaker 1: apologize Hassen Hassen like Boston Hassen. You know, I said

1535
01:15:13,240 --> 01:15:15,920
Speaker 1: Hassan and he got all. And I've heard that he

1536
01:15:15,960 --> 01:15:18,920
Speaker 1: did that to Ellen at a show once. Really, yeah,

1537
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:21,600
Speaker 1: I heard that he did that. He corrected Ellen, he

1538
01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:23,960
Speaker 1: scolded Ellen de general. I don't think he scolded her.

1539
01:15:24,479 --> 01:15:26,160
Speaker 1: I don't think he scolded her. I think he just

1540
01:15:26,240 --> 01:15:27,800
Speaker 1: corrected her. I hope he did it in front of

1541
01:15:27,800 --> 01:15:30,960
Speaker 1: her PA's and staff that she mistreated. I'm a standing out.

1542
01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:35,320
Speaker 1: I think it was on air. Oh really, yeah he

1543
01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:38,200
Speaker 1: on air? Well, yeah, I love it. I loved it.

1544
01:15:38,360 --> 01:15:40,320
Speaker 1: He took over in the best possible way. It's only

1545
01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:43,880
Speaker 1: he took over the way like Klay Thompson takes over

1546
01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:47,400
Speaker 1: when he's just hitting threes and you're like, he's the

1547
01:15:47,439 --> 01:15:49,559
Speaker 1: hot hand. Feed him, you know, keep dishing to him.

1548
01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:57,320
Speaker 1: Lasting image, lasting images, honestly, probably of this game, of

1549
01:15:57,360 --> 01:16:00,479
Speaker 1: this series. What are we doing game? I mean Bibby

1550
01:16:00,520 --> 01:16:04,960
Speaker 1: hitting the shot, no question. The lasting images. We see

1551
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:07,400
Speaker 1: Weber's body up, we see Fisher on the floor, and

1552
01:16:07,439 --> 01:16:12,280
Speaker 1: we see we see Fisher elevate. That's the lasting image Fisher,

1553
01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:15,400
Speaker 1: Bibby rather Yeah, yeah, Derek Fisher was on the floor. Yeah,

1554
01:16:15,439 --> 01:16:17,519
Speaker 1: he was on he was gardening him. I was also

1555
01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:21,040
Speaker 1: headband over the ears Derek Fisher, remember that era. I

1556
01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:23,120
Speaker 1: was shocked when he said Fisher wasn't a good defender

1557
01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:25,920
Speaker 1: because I thought he was. I always as a spectator.

1558
01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:28,200
Speaker 1: That's because they were there. I mean that was probably

1559
01:16:28,240 --> 01:16:30,920
Speaker 1: because that's a dog saying that. Yeah, you know what

1560
01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:34,120
Speaker 1: I mean. Bibb's probably like they they competed a bunch

1561
01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:37,280
Speaker 1: against each other. Yeah, I thought I was watching Fisher.

1562
01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:39,360
Speaker 1: I was like, this dude plays his heart out. He's

1563
01:16:39,439 --> 01:16:43,439
Speaker 1: like Kobe respect if Kobe wants you on the team.

1564
01:16:43,760 --> 01:16:46,160
Speaker 1: You don't hear Kobe being like, bring back some much Parker.

1565
01:16:47,080 --> 01:16:50,280
Speaker 1: Kobe's like, bring back Derek Fisher. Yeah, but you know

1566
01:16:50,360 --> 01:16:53,519
Speaker 1: how basketball is, man, those guys, it's a score. Those

1567
01:16:53,560 --> 01:16:55,840
Speaker 1: guys can feel like they can score on anyone. Like

1568
01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:58,800
Speaker 1: there's no really good defenders. If you really are their

1569
01:16:58,880 --> 01:17:01,160
Speaker 1: d backs, though, who play you? Well, he'd be like

1570
01:17:01,240 --> 01:17:11,080
Speaker 1: he wasn't good? Yeah really who name names. I wouldn't

1571
01:17:11,080 --> 01:17:13,040
Speaker 1: say he wasn't good, but I would say that they're

1572
01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:18,559
Speaker 1: not as hyped. They're not as good as their hyped. Ah.

1573
01:17:19,280 --> 01:17:23,320
Speaker 1: I thought, I thought this is gonna get some heat.

1574
01:17:23,720 --> 01:17:28,560
Speaker 1: I thought was a little overrated. They'd used to whoted

1575
01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:30,320
Speaker 1: a little bit. I mean, he was really good in

1576
01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:34,080
Speaker 1: his role, but as a man covering corner. He played

1577
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:36,640
Speaker 1: cover three all the time, so he never really he

1578
01:17:36,680 --> 01:17:39,040
Speaker 1: had everything in front of him. And like that team

1579
01:17:39,160 --> 01:17:42,360
Speaker 1: defense was they were connected on a string. You see

1580
01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:45,439
Speaker 1: that linebacker shoot out to the flat. He would get depth,

1581
01:17:45,479 --> 01:17:47,080
Speaker 1: and so he could play in front and keep his

1582
01:17:47,120 --> 01:17:49,000
Speaker 1: eyes in the backfield and make breaks. He was the

1583
01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:52,240
Speaker 1: best at that. He's an unbelievable corner. But his pure

1584
01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:56,559
Speaker 1: man on man like he never really not didn't have

1585
01:17:56,640 --> 01:18:00,200
Speaker 1: help like you never saw like you you saw with

1586
01:18:00,439 --> 01:18:03,400
Speaker 1: Revis Gilmour and a lot of these guys where they

1587
01:18:03,400 --> 01:18:05,960
Speaker 1: would just say, hey, you have him all game, you

1588
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:09,320
Speaker 1: follow him everywhere, and everyone else you guys have everyone else?

1589
01:18:09,479 --> 01:18:11,760
Speaker 1: Is Revs the best he ever played against. He was

1590
01:18:11,800 --> 01:18:14,200
Speaker 1: pretty good. He just is always on balance, and he

1591
01:18:14,240 --> 01:18:16,360
Speaker 1: had he knew he knew the game so well he

1592
01:18:16,360 --> 01:18:20,120
Speaker 1: could cheat on certain things. And I'm not saying it's

1593
01:18:20,160 --> 01:18:24,519
Speaker 1: not like really good. I'm just saying that sad. Sounds

1594
01:18:24,520 --> 01:18:28,560
Speaker 1: like Jillian Edelman said that doesn't have the goods and

1595
01:18:28,720 --> 01:18:30,320
Speaker 1: didn't have the good He's gonna try to come at

1596
01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:32,599
Speaker 1: me for this. It's all good. It probably be like, oh,

1597
01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:37,719
Speaker 1: he's just a competitive guy. I've heard it. Beef, no beef.

1598
01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:42,599
Speaker 1: I'm pomped, got our first beef, half dude, half lack,

1599
01:18:44,439 --> 01:18:49,400
Speaker 1: we got podcasts, beefs. Let's do it right now. Name

1600
01:18:49,439 --> 01:18:53,080
Speaker 1: the game, the shot, it's not the ship. Oh I'm sorry, Jack,

1601
01:18:53,120 --> 01:18:54,840
Speaker 1: what do we forget before we name this? We got

1602
01:18:54,840 --> 01:18:57,720
Speaker 1: a little carried away with the san going in and

1603
01:18:57,800 --> 01:19:01,599
Speaker 1: kind of living up with what and like Boston Bro,

1604
01:19:01,680 --> 01:19:04,240
Speaker 1: He's Boston Hassen. Oh my god, even I'm doing it,

1605
01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:06,280
Speaker 1: that's because of me. It was like a real make

1606
01:19:06,320 --> 01:19:08,040
Speaker 1: a wish kid type episode. He was just going to

1607
01:19:08,479 --> 01:19:12,240
Speaker 1: he was, I was, and blame him. Let's get back

1608
01:19:12,280 --> 01:19:14,360
Speaker 1: to the game real quick. Just a quick little overview

1609
01:19:14,360 --> 01:19:16,960
Speaker 1: that we kind of breathed over. It was back and

1610
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:20,360
Speaker 1: forth all night. Can't forget Shaq got in foul trouble early.

1611
01:19:20,840 --> 01:19:22,639
Speaker 1: He was playing all game with two to three thousand

1612
01:19:22,640 --> 01:19:25,240
Speaker 1: and ended up filing out with just under four minutes left,

1613
01:19:25,320 --> 01:19:28,000
Speaker 1: right in crunch time. So that was huge. Five lead

1614
01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:30,800
Speaker 1: changes in the fourth quarter, as we know, Bibby hits

1615
01:19:30,840 --> 01:19:33,559
Speaker 1: the go ahead shot with eight seconds left, Kobe goes

1616
01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:36,720
Speaker 1: now and misses the buzzer beater, and all night it

1617
01:19:36,760 --> 01:19:40,759
Speaker 1: was Kobe and Shaq, first, Weber and Bibby. Thirty for Kobe,

1618
01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:44,880
Speaker 1: twenty eight for Shaq, twenty nine for Weber, twenty three

1619
01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:49,040
Speaker 1: for Bibby, and then we got to contextualize this a

1620
01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:51,600
Speaker 1: little more. Robert Or had a buzzer beat of the

1621
01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:54,040
Speaker 1: game before that big shot, Bob that was that was

1622
01:19:54,120 --> 01:19:56,040
Speaker 1: when they hit out. Yeah, that was when he did

1623
01:19:56,040 --> 01:19:59,559
Speaker 1: a little dance too. That was Robert Ory was seven rings. Dude,

1624
01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:02,720
Speaker 1: if you shit about the Houston years, at least I do.

1625
01:20:02,880 --> 01:20:06,479
Speaker 1: I don't, Nick, are you kidding me? Oh sorry, sorry, sorry,

1626
01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:09,360
Speaker 1: Well my head off. And then we all know Game

1627
01:20:09,479 --> 01:20:14,800
Speaker 1: six with the uh extremely controversial officiating, the Lakers shot

1628
01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:17,280
Speaker 1: eighteen more free throws in the fourth quarter. Crazy. Then

1629
01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:19,960
Speaker 1: Game seven, uh Bibby alluded to it a little bit.

1630
01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:23,640
Speaker 1: The Kings missed fourteen free throws in that loss, So

1631
01:20:23,720 --> 01:20:26,679
Speaker 1: that was kind of the story there. Good can't miss fourteen,

1632
01:20:26,760 --> 01:20:30,000
Speaker 1: especially a finesse team. You can't miss fourteen free throws,

1633
01:20:30,080 --> 01:20:34,000
Speaker 1: can't And then with points quick recap on the game

1634
01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:38,880
Speaker 1: six officials, Dick Bavetta, Tom Bernhard, Bob Delaney, those were

1635
01:20:38,880 --> 01:20:43,840
Speaker 1: the boys doing the NBA's work. Damn they were. They

1636
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:52,879
Speaker 1: were company men. Yep, it was. This is a shady

1637
01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:57,400
Speaker 1: This is a shady series. It's crazy that they it's

1638
01:20:57,439 --> 01:21:00,200
Speaker 1: crazy to be that good at basketball and the I'm

1639
01:21:00,240 --> 01:21:05,760
Speaker 1: that close and they have the refs cost you a

1640
01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:09,720
Speaker 1: championship for an entire city. There's like no pro like.

1641
01:21:10,080 --> 01:21:14,120
Speaker 1: It wasn't just the NBA. This is for all the

1642
01:21:14,160 --> 01:21:19,680
Speaker 1: Central Valley people of Sacramento. Through only franchise, only franchise,

1643
01:21:20,240 --> 01:21:23,120
Speaker 1: they walk. Their posture in that city is worse for

1644
01:21:23,160 --> 01:21:27,120
Speaker 1: having not won this. They're sadder than they should be.

1645
01:21:27,439 --> 01:21:33,800
Speaker 1: Saltwater Taffy factories and plantations probably shut down because of

1646
01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:37,439
Speaker 1: the economic status of the city after not winning a

1647
01:21:37,560 --> 01:21:42,600
Speaker 1: championship because of these refs. Potentially, it's true there was

1648
01:21:42,640 --> 01:21:45,439
Speaker 1: a sadness to sacrament that the crowds are great there.

1649
01:21:45,720 --> 01:21:48,280
Speaker 1: Always remember Saltwater Taffy. When I went to Sacramento, it's

1650
01:21:48,520 --> 01:21:50,200
Speaker 1: a little old town, you know, they have the old

1651
01:21:50,240 --> 01:21:52,559
Speaker 1: town field. I got this switch shirt. Yeah, I literally

1652
01:21:52,600 --> 01:21:54,320
Speaker 1: wore this. I would. This is a move I do

1653
01:21:54,360 --> 01:21:55,439
Speaker 1: on the road a lot where I just you know,

1654
01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:57,320
Speaker 1: put my jacket on. I get on stage. I say,

1655
01:21:57,360 --> 01:21:59,840
Speaker 1: I think it's disgusting when comedians panneder to a city

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01:22:00,120 --> 01:22:01,960
Speaker 1: and I take my jacket off and I'm wearing something

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01:22:01,960 --> 01:22:04,080
Speaker 1: that just reps Yeah, yeah, yeah, you gotta get them

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01:22:04,080 --> 01:22:06,559
Speaker 1: starts moves. That's why I have this dumb sweatshirt. Supporting

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01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:09,040
Speaker 1: local gift shops. I love it. I support the gift shops. Dude,

1660
01:22:09,080 --> 01:22:14,599
Speaker 1: overpriced merch It looks, you know, not to say pagier

1661
01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:18,439
Speaker 1: plagiarism or anything, but it looks a little nantuckety wow,

1662
01:22:18,479 --> 01:22:21,240
Speaker 1: it kind of does you know? I mean, Sacramento, can

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01:22:21,240 --> 01:22:23,439
Speaker 1: we we're more gold rushy, dude? Can we get some

1664
01:22:23,439 --> 01:22:26,120
Speaker 1: fucking miners on there or something like? Not? We're not

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01:22:26,240 --> 01:22:31,519
Speaker 1: riding bikes on the along a beautiful summer coastal weather day.

1666
01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:34,800
Speaker 1: In the East Coast, they ride bikes out there. I've

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01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:38,800
Speaker 1: seen bikes along along the river. Yeah, I think so. No,

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01:22:39,200 --> 01:22:41,479
Speaker 1: I saw some bike more like yeah, in California you

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01:22:41,479 --> 01:22:45,519
Speaker 1: get like competitive like bikers, but you're not seeing bikes

1670
01:22:45,560 --> 01:22:50,800
Speaker 1: with baskets and Dorothy riding it. I don't know. All right, Well,

1671
01:22:50,920 --> 01:22:52,799
Speaker 1: we got to score this game. I think the stakes

1672
01:22:52,800 --> 01:22:55,600
Speaker 1: are insanely I I mean, it's it's oh, we have

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01:22:55,640 --> 01:22:59,680
Speaker 1: to name the game too, the Shot, big Shot. I

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01:22:59,680 --> 01:23:02,160
Speaker 1: think it's big shot Baby, big shot baby, the last

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01:23:02,160 --> 01:23:04,719
Speaker 1: good thing that happened in Sacramento. Who is at Jackie Kylo?

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01:23:05,439 --> 01:23:07,960
Speaker 1: That's a that's good stuff, The last good thing that

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01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:10,280
Speaker 1: happened in Sacramento. I mean, it's it's big shot baby,

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01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:12,160
Speaker 1: big shot baby. But it is the last good thing

1679
01:23:12,200 --> 01:23:18,719
Speaker 1: that happened. Steaks, steaks are high. This is game five, five,

1680
01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:24,400
Speaker 1: take the lead. I gotta say. I think in the

1681
01:23:25,200 --> 01:23:27,840
Speaker 1: Western Conference finals though. Yeah, so it was like an

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01:23:27,880 --> 01:23:33,000
Speaker 1: eight four four a four star power. It's huge. It's

1683
01:23:33,000 --> 01:23:38,080
Speaker 1: in LA. Literally, Shack is huge. Huge. You got Kobe,

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01:23:38,280 --> 01:23:43,080
Speaker 1: you got Bibby Weber, Vlatti, Paysia Fox, and think about

1685
01:23:43,080 --> 01:23:46,000
Speaker 1: Fox in all the celebs in the arena. We saw

1686
01:23:46,120 --> 01:23:50,479
Speaker 1: Nicholson right in the series, not up this. This was

1687
01:23:50,520 --> 01:23:54,080
Speaker 1: in Sacramento. That's right. I don't think Jack we lose. Yeah,

1688
01:23:54,120 --> 01:23:57,720
Speaker 1: you're right, he's too cool. But Phil Jackson was out there,

1689
01:23:57,760 --> 01:24:01,479
Speaker 1: Phil Jackson, Rick Adelman, big coach, big coach. What do

1690
01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:03,479
Speaker 1: you think. I think it's got to be an eight

1691
01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:06,559
Speaker 1: of some sort. Yeah, you're right. It loses some some

1692
01:24:06,680 --> 01:24:10,479
Speaker 1: steam because if it's in Staple Center. Sorry Sack, sorry,

1693
01:24:10,520 --> 01:24:13,439
Speaker 1: say they'll just go eight flat. I go high on

1694
01:24:13,479 --> 01:24:16,599
Speaker 1: gameplay because this is back and for five league changes.

1695
01:24:16,600 --> 01:24:20,320
Speaker 1: In the fourth it was some good, awesome basketball. You got,

1696
01:24:20,360 --> 01:24:23,000
Speaker 1: you got, you got a taste of both kinds of basketball.

1697
01:24:23,040 --> 01:24:26,680
Speaker 1: You got heavy diesel basketball, and then you got spreading them,

1698
01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:29,200
Speaker 1: shred them. And these are like football terms that I'm

1699
01:24:29,200 --> 01:24:33,200
Speaker 1: incorporating it with basketball. They apply, you know, so ingle offense,

1700
01:24:33,240 --> 01:24:35,400
Speaker 1: first corner offense. It was beautiful. Yeah, they were doing

1701
01:24:35,400 --> 01:24:37,760
Speaker 1: like a Princeton they said, had a nice passing through

1702
01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:39,599
Speaker 1: the big man at the elbow of Lotti was great.

1703
01:24:39,680 --> 01:24:41,160
Speaker 1: And you don't even know what the offense is gonna

1704
01:24:41,200 --> 01:24:43,000
Speaker 1: be because guys are cutting so much. That's what I

1705
01:24:43,080 --> 01:24:46,320
Speaker 1: learned from this episode. And also he called Vlatti and

1706
01:24:46,360 --> 01:24:50,240
Speaker 1: Weber the two best passing big men ever, which I'm like, yo,

1707
01:24:50,360 --> 01:24:54,760
Speaker 1: kich Anyoneonis Sibonis, But I mean they were good. They

1708
01:24:54,760 --> 01:24:58,160
Speaker 1: were great. Dude. I remember as a kid watching Lottie.

1709
01:24:58,640 --> 01:25:01,320
Speaker 1: He always had such a little waggy like no looks

1710
01:25:01,360 --> 01:25:04,519
Speaker 1: like like you know what I mean. He came up

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01:25:04,560 --> 01:25:07,040
Speaker 1: with those all the time. Rookie was a rookie with

1712
01:25:07,120 --> 01:25:09,920
Speaker 1: the Lakers. By the way, Yeah, he started with Magic Johnson.

1713
01:25:10,280 --> 01:25:12,400
Speaker 1: Magic Johnson tough in his ass, like you know what's

1714
01:25:12,400 --> 01:25:15,400
Speaker 1: crazy when you're coming from Yugoslavia and then you're like, shit,

1715
01:25:15,479 --> 01:25:17,920
Speaker 1: I have to play with Magic Johnson. That's how tough

1716
01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:21,120
Speaker 1: this dude was. I wonder if he picked up his

1717
01:25:21,160 --> 01:25:24,320
Speaker 1: smoking habits there in LA maybe because back in the

1718
01:25:24,360 --> 01:25:26,840
Speaker 1: seventies it was cool to smoke in LA. Now it's like,

1719
01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:29,560
Speaker 1: no one smokes in La as soon Europeans smokes cigarettes

1720
01:25:29,640 --> 01:25:35,360
Speaker 1: like fucking like a gum. They're just always It's like flossing.

1721
01:25:35,640 --> 01:25:39,040
Speaker 1: It's flossop, dude, more than flaw. Flossin's rare. You don't

1722
01:25:39,080 --> 01:25:41,959
Speaker 1: floss a lot. I floss, but not like a cigarettes.

1723
01:25:42,280 --> 01:25:46,000
Speaker 1: I don't floss twenty times a day. You know. Gameplay,

1724
01:25:46,120 --> 01:25:47,760
Speaker 1: I think we got to go like eight eight eight nine.

1725
01:25:47,760 --> 01:25:50,479
Speaker 1: It's a great game. Yeah, I mean even nine. He's

1726
01:25:50,520 --> 01:25:52,720
Speaker 1: not crazy because it's no what do you think? Oh,

1727
01:25:52,960 --> 01:25:54,720
Speaker 1: eight eight definitely deserves to be up in the eight

1728
01:25:54,760 --> 01:25:58,800
Speaker 1: eight eight or nine region? All right, eight eight big shot.

1729
01:25:58,880 --> 01:26:01,320
Speaker 1: Maybe it's not a great it's not an iconic name

1730
01:26:01,360 --> 01:26:03,320
Speaker 1: like we've done eighteen wins win. If they would have

1731
01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:05,040
Speaker 1: won the series, it would have been a great name.

1732
01:26:05,479 --> 01:26:07,120
Speaker 1: So what is it? Like? A four to eight five,

1733
01:26:08,640 --> 01:26:11,000
Speaker 1: five to five five five YEA, give it a five

1734
01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:15,160
Speaker 1: to five. It is pretty bad. And it's also I

1735
01:26:15,160 --> 01:26:17,920
Speaker 1: think his coolest moment. And he's kind of an underappreciated,

1736
01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:21,800
Speaker 1: very underappreciated guy where he really was like fans know

1737
01:26:21,880 --> 01:26:25,479
Speaker 1: how smooth he was. Yeah, it just it sucks for

1738
01:26:25,560 --> 01:26:29,040
Speaker 1: a lot of players like Mike Bibby that don't get

1739
01:26:29,080 --> 01:26:32,320
Speaker 1: a championship, which almost means they don't get the recognition

1740
01:26:32,360 --> 01:26:35,160
Speaker 1: they deserve. I mean, you look at it, you like,

1741
01:26:35,320 --> 01:26:37,960
Speaker 1: is he that different than if he gets if he

1742
01:26:38,240 --> 01:26:40,600
Speaker 1: gets a ring, He's all's it's possible they go to

1743
01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:43,479
Speaker 1: the championship. It's not crazy the way he's playing for

1744
01:26:43,560 --> 01:26:45,280
Speaker 1: him to be a finals MVP. I know Weber's the

1745
01:26:45,320 --> 01:26:48,760
Speaker 1: best player, but it's possible the finals MVP. And then

1746
01:26:48,800 --> 01:26:51,679
Speaker 1: do we talk about Bibby like he's Chauncey Billups well.

1747
01:26:51,800 --> 01:26:55,600
Speaker 1: And then also if they go on beat the Lakers,

1748
01:26:57,640 --> 01:27:00,800
Speaker 1: Lakers blow up? Do they repeat, yeah, they got to

1749
01:27:00,880 --> 01:27:03,280
Speaker 1: run it back. You got shacking Kobe's although no I'm

1750
01:27:03,320 --> 01:27:06,200
Speaker 1: saying I'm saying shacking Kobe blow up after they lose,

1751
01:27:06,240 --> 01:27:08,879
Speaker 1: like I'm saying they lost to the Pistons, to Chauncey Billups,

1752
01:27:08,920 --> 01:27:10,680
Speaker 1: who was the finals MVP. You know what I mean,

1753
01:27:10,680 --> 01:27:13,040
Speaker 1: they blow it up, But that was I think that

1754
01:27:13,120 --> 01:27:15,080
Speaker 1: was a couple extra years of Kobe being like, I

1755
01:27:15,160 --> 01:27:18,479
Speaker 1: work out harder than you. You're fat, shack, you know,

1756
01:27:19,120 --> 01:27:22,280
Speaker 1: I get it. Seven seven seven seven is a good score.

1757
01:27:22,360 --> 01:27:27,800
Speaker 1: This is a respectable see's good degrees? Uh. Make sure

1758
01:27:27,800 --> 01:27:31,040
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1760
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1762
01:27:41,320 --> 01:27:44,599
Speaker 1: And that's all for this episode of Games with Names

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01:27:44,640 --> 01:27:48,080
Speaker 1: presented by win Bet. Thank you guys so much for listening,

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01:27:48,200 --> 01:27:50,960
Speaker 1: and thanks to our guest Mike Bibby. He's a beast

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Speaker 1: and hassen. He was awesome. He was so good. So

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Speaker 1: go check out you gotta check out his Netflix, Go

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Speaker 1: check him out on his website, everything, his Instagram, his Twitter,

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Speaker 1: his LinkedIn profile. Were right then, it's popping off right now,

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01:28:11,840 --> 01:28:13,599
Speaker 1: I'm Sam Mourel. We'll see your next game.