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Speaker 2: And today we have another classic for you that I

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Speaker 2: So soon, but uh and or season two, the final

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Speaker 2: I had a whole block set aside, and then it

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Speaker 2: got My block got destroyed, Samantha, So I don't know,

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Speaker 3: To like you actually showed and demonstrated to me how

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Speaker 3: it got destroyed. Yeah, by the way, it looks like

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Speaker 2: I was thinking of a Mario Party game where you

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Speaker 2: I know super producer Christina has seen it.

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Speaker 1: I have seen.

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Speaker 2: The kind of viral dance scene of mon Mothma kind

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Speaker 2: back this classic mon matha.

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Speaker 1: Please enjoy.

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Speaker 2: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha, and welcome to Stefan

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Speaker 2: Never told You Protection of iHeart Radio, and welcome to

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Speaker 2: another sub sub sub whatever sub segment of a fictional women.

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Speaker 1: Around the world.

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Speaker 2: We are due to this month because Samantha is taking

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Speaker 4: And everything I do as an extra slow.

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Speaker 2: No, it's a lot that you're working on and it

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Speaker 4: But I have eight tabs open for this one episode.

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Speaker 3: Her husband is a bad guy. I'm not quite there.

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Speaker 3: I just got to introduced to him.

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Speaker 2: Sorry for any accidental spoilers in there, And again I

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Speaker 2: appreciate you, Samantha for just letting me go like.

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Speaker 1: Plows, I'm down.

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Speaker 4: The fact that I was like, oh, that's her.

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Speaker 1: Was the only I have. Yeah, yes, it is funny.

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Speaker 2: And she had like twenty six seconds in that movie

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Speaker 2: and we were all like, but what about her though?

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Speaker 1: I want to know all about her.

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Speaker 2: She's very regal. She is quite regal. She's quite regal.

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Speaker 2: And I love her fashion in the show. Yeah, whoever's

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Speaker 2: doing the wardrobing is top notch gorgeous.

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Speaker 3: So she actually portrayed the same the actress that plays

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Speaker 3: on Mathma and or portrayed it in the secondary movies.

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Speaker 4: I don't know they are.

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Speaker 2: Why are they not the originals of the she in

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Speaker 2: the prequel trilogy? Yeah, oh, the prequels. She was in

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Speaker 2: Revenge of the Sith, and she was in I Rebels

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Speaker 2: as a voice and Brogue one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, did they do the digital imaging on her

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Speaker 3: in the prequels because it looked a lot like her.

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Speaker 4: I mean, sure, okay, no, no, a lot like the original.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Oh maybe, uh, because she's like I think

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Speaker 2: in Revenge of the Cysts, she's in the background, you

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Speaker 2: barely see her.

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Speaker 4: Wait, she was a Rogue One as well?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 4: Yes, so is that where they did a digital face

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Speaker 4: on her?

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: It looked like it because it looked like we were

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Speaker 3: all I feel like we talked about that.

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Speaker 4: Anyway. I hate that movie. Rogue One too.

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Speaker 2: Sad for some means kind of tough too. I gotta say,

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Speaker 2: oh no.

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Speaker 1: No, it's not it's okay, it's okay.

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Speaker 4: Anyway, we come back, come in whatever.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, whatever, We'll come back and convene on this. But

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