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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio Football Morning in America. Peter, thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 1: Let me start with Russell Wilson and what you think

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Speaker 1: he was trying to say yesterday and did he get

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Speaker 1: his message across well, Dan, Russell Wilson never the fact

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Speaker 1: that he spoke out and mentioned how often he's been sacked,

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Speaker 1: and he's mentioned those kind of things to you. He

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Speaker 1: never talks about that ever. All he talks about is

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Speaker 1: I love my offensive line. They're playing their rear ends off,

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Speaker 1: they're they're they're great. I love him the fact that

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Speaker 1: he mentions that it's not to say you guys stink,

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Speaker 1: it's to tell the front office, John Schneider, Pete Carroll,

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Speaker 1: I want to be protected better. It's not right and

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Speaker 1: it's not fair that I'm not protected better. That's his view. Now.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure that Pete, and I'm sure that the coaches

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Speaker 1: and John Schneider might look at the tape and say,

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Speaker 1: you hold on to the ball too long. You know,

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Speaker 1: you take you you take too many desperado chances. Throw

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Speaker 1: the ball in the first row of the bleachers sometimes,

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Speaker 1: and or or throw it more often there. But Dan

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Speaker 1: this to me was about Russell Wilson saying going to

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Speaker 1: the super Bowl on Sunday night. I saw one shot

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Speaker 1: of him. It's funny when you're at the super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: which I was, you don't watch TV, so you don't

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Speaker 1: see what anybody sees. I did see one shot of him,

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Speaker 1: and I'll tell you what. He just looked like he

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Speaker 1: ate a turd sandwich. I mean, he was totally this

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Speaker 1: one shot. He's just miserable. And he doesn't he doesn't

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Speaker 1: want to be at the Super Bowl unless he's playing

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Speaker 1: in it. And and I just I just think this

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Speaker 1: is a guy who's at the midpoint of his career

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Speaker 1: and at Tom Brady and says, man, why can't I

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Speaker 1: go into a place where the offense is set up

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Speaker 1: for the next two or three years to maybe win

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Speaker 1: multiple Super Bowls? Were not? And again, I'm totally putting

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Speaker 1: words in Russell Wilson's mouth. I haven't talked to him.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying what I heard when he talked to

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Speaker 1: you yesterday. Yeah. I wonder what Seattle does. I wonder

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Speaker 1: what front office or Pete Carroll have to say whenever

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Speaker 1: they get in front of the media. It's a good question.

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Speaker 1: I don't know the answer to it. I do know that,

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Speaker 1: you know, Look, I think John Schneider is a great

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Speaker 1: general manager, not a good one. He's great, but he

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Speaker 1: hasn't drafted great on the offensive line. He hasn't solved

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Speaker 1: the offensive line long term. You know. It's just like

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Speaker 1: Belichicken receivers, John and offensive line. It just really hasn't worked.

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Speaker 1: And again, I'm sure that there are issues that I

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Speaker 1: don't understand, okay, because I'm not there every day, but

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Speaker 1: you know, I do think now, especially they got a

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Speaker 1: new offensive coordinator, Shane Waldron. You know, he hasn't called

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Speaker 1: plays I don't think before the best of my knowledge,

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Speaker 1: and so you know, they're counting on sort of the

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Speaker 1: Sean McVeigh way to work, and I don't. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if it's going to work. We'll see. But I

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Speaker 1: sensed dissatisfaction in Russell Wilson that I haven't heard before.

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Speaker 1: The Eagles situation is a hot mess, like this is

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Speaker 1: a soap proper, a local soap opera, there, Pete, because

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Speaker 1: I get the feeling the Colts and the Bears might

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Speaker 1: be interested, but not at the asking price, and it

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Speaker 1: feels like the Eagles are asking too much for Carson Wentz.

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Speaker 1: And now you've made Carson walk the plank. He doesn't

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Speaker 1: want to go back where he's not appreciated. Now where

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Speaker 1: does he go? And if you're the Colts of the Bears,

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Speaker 1: what do you really want to offer a guy that

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Speaker 1: you also have to take his salary on as well?

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Speaker 1: I can tell you that there are people in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: there are of the thirty one other teams, without being

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Speaker 1: too specific, that are very interested in Carson Wentz, but

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Speaker 1: very interested at a reasonable price, okay, And what I

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Speaker 1: mean by that is nobody really knows what's reasonable. I

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Speaker 1: quoted a team official this week that after Matthew, after

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Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford, what is a logical price right now for

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Speaker 1: a quarterback? We don't know. I mean two ones and

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Speaker 1: a three, even though the ones are in the future.

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Speaker 1: But I also think this dan about Carson Wentz. With

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Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford, you sort of know what you're getting. With

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Speaker 1: Carson Wentz, you have no idea what you're getting. In

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Speaker 1: two thousand and seventeen, he was a top five quarterback

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty and abject disaster charges that he's not he

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Speaker 1: doesn't like to be coached. I'm not saying uncoachable. It

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Speaker 1: didn't take coaching very well. You know, was at odds

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Speaker 1: He hasn't done enough in this game to be to

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Speaker 1: be difficult to work with. He just hasn't. So if

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Speaker 1: you're a team right now, what do you want to

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Speaker 1: pay for him? Really? What do you want to pay

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Speaker 1: for Carson Wentz? If I were if I were the

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Speaker 1: Colts or the Bears. Bears have the twentieth pick, Colts

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Speaker 1: have the twenty first pick. I'd pay that. But if

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Speaker 1: you want to get much beyond that, I'd say no thanks,

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Speaker 1: I'll draft somebody and take my chances. But is there

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Speaker 1: more upside with Carson Wentz? There more downside with Carson Wentz.

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Speaker 1: If you pick him up, you have to believe if

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Speaker 1: you're Frank Reich. The last time Frank Reich was in

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Speaker 1: the building every day with Carson Wentz, he was pure gold,

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Speaker 1: you know, as a player before he got hurt and

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Speaker 1: being coached and everything. Carson. I think Frank Reich would

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Speaker 1: love to coach Carson Wentz again. He told me on

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Speaker 1: my podcast about a month ago. I love Carson Wentz,

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Speaker 1: you know, and so I think he would love and

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Speaker 1: believe that. I'm not. Don't get into the whole tampering

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Speaker 1: thing because he's you know, he said, Look, I can't

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Speaker 1: say anything about it, but all I can say is

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Speaker 1: having been with him, I love the guy and I'll

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Speaker 1: always love him. But I do think Dan, even though

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Speaker 1: he loves him, and I've certainly not talked to him

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Speaker 1: about this, even though he loves him, he's got to

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Speaker 1: have some skepticism, okay, about what exactly he's doing. Talking

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Speaker 1: to Peter King, NBC Sports dot Com column This Football

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Speaker 1: Morning in America, all quiet on the Deshaun Watson front peage?

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Speaker 1: Is that good or bad? You know? Dan, I just

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Speaker 1: think that Nick Kissario does not want possibly probably the

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Speaker 1: biggest decision he ever makes, if he decides to trade him.

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Speaker 1: You know, I, as I wrote a week or so ago,

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Speaker 1: I don't mean to be morbid, but you don't want

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Speaker 1: the second paragraph in your oh bit to be here's

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Speaker 1: the guy who traded Deshaun Watson. You know it's you

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Speaker 1: Just you want your professional reputation to be that he

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Speaker 1: fought like hell to keep Deshaun Watson. It worked and

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Speaker 1: they were a good franchise. That's what Nick Kissaria wants,

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Speaker 1: and I'm sure that's what David Culley wants. But this

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Speaker 1: is an organization that is adrift, totally, absolutely adrift. And

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Speaker 1: when I look at it, Dan, I think, I mean,

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Speaker 1: if I had to guess right now, I don't think

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Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson's going to be unless there's a civil war.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's going to be traded by the draft.

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Speaker 1: I think they're gonna say you play with us or

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Speaker 1: you don't play. Yeah, I'm with you. I feel like

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Speaker 1: we're in the minority that DeShawn. You know, it's wish

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Speaker 1: wishful reporting, like we want him to move someplace. Celsa

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Speaker 1: gives us something to talk about. But I think if

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Speaker 1: you're the Texans, unless somebody blows you away, you just

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Speaker 1: say no, you're our quarterback. We gave you this extension,

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Speaker 1: and you know what, We're gonna ride with you, die

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Speaker 1: of course have to somehow work the cowboys in this.

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Speaker 1: With the hype video that didn't include Dak Prescott, Peter,

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Speaker 1: what do you make of this? I don't know, I'm

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Speaker 1: sixty three years old, Dan, don't I don't care, you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I guess I should care. People look for clues. Dan.

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Speaker 1: You know what when I first got in this business

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Speaker 1: in the offseason, you know, for a while anyway, I

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Speaker 1: covered college basketball, I covered the Reds as a backup

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Speaker 1: beat writer and everything like that. I didn't. I wasn't

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Speaker 1: Bengals twenty four to seven, you know. And you know

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Speaker 1: the problem is now You've got newspapers and websites with

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Speaker 1: three beat people, three hundred and sixty five days a year, studying,

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Speaker 1: looking for signs, doing all this stuff, and sometimes I'm

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Speaker 1: sure that deep down there's some meeting, like the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: don't know absolutely for sure if Dak Prescott's going to

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Speaker 1: be on the team. I guess that would be the explanation.

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Speaker 1: But honestly, I think any thought that Dak Prescott is

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Speaker 1: not going to be on the team seems utterly preposterous.

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Speaker 1: He's the most popular athlete right now in the state

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Speaker 1: of Texas, and I can't imagine, I can't imagine that

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys would be actively considering not bringing him back.

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Speaker 1: Even if it's on that onerous second franchise tag. Drew

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Speaker 1: Brees said to join you guys on a football night

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Speaker 1: in America, NBC Sports, do you know anything about this

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Speaker 1: being the last one? To know? You'll you'll have him

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Speaker 1: on the show and he'll say, I'm announcing it, But

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Speaker 1: I Dan, I think it's there's no way he's playing

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Speaker 1: next year. You look at you know, Jay Glazer. For

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Speaker 1: really celebrate the life and times of Drew Brees. And

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Speaker 1: that's just my gut feeling. What do you expect to

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Speaker 1: they've got to backstop their line. I think you'll see

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Speaker 1: That's just my gut feeling. Andy will pay attention to

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Speaker 1: of the team, I think mostly is going to be

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Speaker 1: back intact. Did you vote on the Super Bowl MVP?

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Speaker 1: I did. I voted for Brady. Was there any consideration

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Speaker 1: given to anybody else? Definitely. So at the start of

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Speaker 1: going to vote for Shack Barrett if the game was

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Speaker 1: their defense, Devin White, all over the field. My second choice.

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Speaker 1: I voted for Brady. We had to vote with four

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Speaker 1: we had to vote with four minutes left in the

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Speaker 1: fourth quarter. I voted for Brady. But at the end,

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Speaker 1: at the very end, I thought very hard about Devin

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Speaker 1: White and then you know he had that late interception.

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Speaker 1: I have some regrets, but not a lot. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady was efficient and plus here's what it also is,

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Speaker 1: Dan tom Brady think about his value to this team.

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Speaker 1: Why did they really win the Super Bowl? Why? Because

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady came. Tom Brady remade the mental makeup of

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Speaker 1: up happy in this league. I mean, if you think

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Speaker 1: about he just he won the Super Bowl and what

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Speaker 1: he had to do a year ago. Man, So nobody

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Speaker 1: really ends up happy, which is which is kind of

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Speaker 1: a sad state of affairs. Yeah, he doesn't end his

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Speaker 1: career in Seattle, but then nobody ends their career except

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Speaker 1: you know Elway did. But he limped off. He couldn't

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Speaker 1: play anymore. Nobody else says that day. Yeah, slip off

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Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl. Hey, we'll be watching on you

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Speaker 1: know what as they show of support. I'm not going

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Speaker 1: to watch around the Horn today or tomorrow. I'm going

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Speaker 1: to get up come back stra on Friday. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: will thank you, Tim. All Right, thanks, that's Tim Callishaw,

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Speaker 1: Dallas morning news columnist and starve around the Horn. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for listening to The Dan Patrick Show podcast. Be sure

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Speaker 1: to catch us live every weekday morning nine until noon

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Speaker 1: or stream us live on the Peacock app. We were

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Speaker 1: talking about Patrick Mahomes undergoing surgery turf toe, and we

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Speaker 1: started talking about this about three hours ago and we

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Speaker 1: were just going around the room going do we know

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Speaker 1: exactly what a turf toe is? Because it gets thrown

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Speaker 1: around a lot. And remember when Dillon Sanders was with

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Speaker 1: us at the Super Bowl when he took off his

449
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Speaker 1: sock and he showed us that toe that was turf

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Speaker 1: toe that never healed, whether he had surgery on it

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Speaker 1: or not. Jack Lambert, the Pittsburgh Steelers linebacker, I think

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Speaker 1: had turf toe and it stayed with him the rest

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Speaker 1: of his career. So we thought, you know what, let's

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Speaker 1: bring in somebody who knows what they're talking about. A

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Speaker 1: former NFL offensive lineman won a Super Bowl with Washington,

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Speaker 1: A Harvard trained orthopedic doctor Mark Addas, and a good

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Speaker 1: to have you back on here, doc. So do you

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Speaker 1: want us to tell you what we think turf toe is?

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Speaker 1: And then you could probably correct us on this. That'd

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Speaker 1: be great. Let's see what you guys got. Let's see

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Speaker 1: how good you are. All right, I'm gonna start with you, Paulie.

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Speaker 1: What do you think turf toe is? Like a ligament

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Speaker 1: sprain in the toe that hampers an athlete from pushing off,

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Speaker 1: like sprinting, like running. Think, Fritzie, you got a definition

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Speaker 1: for turf to one's toe is so severely sprained from

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Speaker 1: the pounding on the turf that it does something what

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Speaker 1: kind of disconnects the toe from the other toes and

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Speaker 1: needs to be surgically fixed a snapped back into place.

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Speaker 1: All right, Seaton is an injury that when uh, say,

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Speaker 1: like wide receivers are going to get their second foot

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Speaker 1: in and they drag it along the turf, their toe

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Speaker 1: is on the turf and then it gets hurt like that. Okay,

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Speaker 1: turf toe. Oh I did not. I did not look

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Speaker 1: at it that way. Yes, so I thought it was

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Speaker 1: a rugburn style injury. For many times he shows are

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Speaker 1: the worst when you're playing with your kids at rugburn.

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Speaker 1: But I do believe now a ligament uneath your toe

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Speaker 1: that connects to the foot. Okay, let's let's bring in doc,

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Speaker 1: and Doc, what exactly is turf towel? Well, I think

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Speaker 1: I think the example one wins the ligament injury. So

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Speaker 1: it can be a ligament injury, or it can be

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Speaker 1: an injury to the planter plate, which is almost like

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Speaker 1: a cartilage thing that's on the bottom of the toe.

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Speaker 1: It is the big toe joint. And it rarely is

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Speaker 1: that an injury they require surgery. The vast majority of

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Speaker 1: players don't require surgery. In the NFL, there have been about.

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Speaker 1: There was a study that was done that had about

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Speaker 1: thirty guys with turf toe injuries that were pretty severe

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Speaker 1: and only about ten percent ended up requiring some surgery.

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Speaker 1: Deon Sanders did require surgery. Deons turftoe injury did end

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Speaker 1: his career. Essentially, he stuck around for a couple more years,

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Speaker 1: but never really was the same. Antonio Gates had had

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Speaker 1: a pretty bad turf toe, had surgery in two thousand

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Speaker 1: and eight and played many years. Was very productive after

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Speaker 1: that injury and surgery. So generally speaking, guys, d okay,

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Speaker 1: I think Dion as his foot would a test was

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Speaker 1: an extreme case. Did Mahomes play the Super Bowl with

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Speaker 1: a torn ligament? Yeah, certainly he did. I mean, in

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Speaker 1: other words, when you have a turf toe injury, there

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Speaker 1: are three grades Grade one, Grade two, Grade three. It's

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Speaker 1: the same for almost anything. Grade one, just a few

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Speaker 1: of the fibers are torn. Grade two, a bunch more torn.

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Speaker 1: Grade three. It's completely disruptive. So for someone to need surgery,

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Speaker 1: generally there's got to be a little bone ship that's

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Speaker 1: in the joint, or the toe has to be somewhat unstable,

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Speaker 1: which would tell tell you that that ligamentere had to

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Speaker 1: be pretty significant. What's the normal timeline for a recovery? So,

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Speaker 1: I mean the normal timeline for a guy who does

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Speaker 1: not require surgery generally about eight weeks, so it's not short.

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Speaker 1: Even for guys that don't require surgery. When you do

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Speaker 1: require surgery, it's it's generally a four month recovery can

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Speaker 1: go out to six months. Four months would make it

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Speaker 1: easy for him to be back for camp. It was

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Speaker 1: six months, it could it could eat into the start

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Speaker 1: of the season. Here if it wasn't the Super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: do you think he would have been playing? I do?

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Speaker 1: I do? I mean, I think Patrick Mahomes is one

518
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Speaker 1: of those guys who cares so much about the team

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Speaker 1: and his teammates that I think that if he felt

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Speaker 1: that he could help the team, he would be on

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Speaker 1: the field. But does this last? Is this? Is this

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Speaker 1: gonna be something that can last? Like? Could he have

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Speaker 1: done irreparable harm to this? Certainly you can worse than

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Speaker 1: an injury. You can make the ligament tear worse, you

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Speaker 1: can do more damage to the joint. So is it

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Speaker 1: possible that he played him playing in the AFC Championship

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Speaker 1: and the Super Bowl damage his joint further, Yes, that

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Speaker 1: is possible. Do I think a well done surgery should

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Speaker 1: allow him to return to the field and be effective.

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Speaker 1: I expect that. I think that that's how this is

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Speaker 1: going to play out. But I wonder if there's more

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Speaker 1: damage there than just turf toe, if it's the plate itself,

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Speaker 1: if that's involved in it. Not to get too deep

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Speaker 1: into the woods here, but how much more recovery time?

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Speaker 1: How much more severe is this injury? Well, sometimes you

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Speaker 1: completely disrupt that planner plate. Sometimes you break the sesamoid bones.

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Speaker 1: There are two little bones that sit under that joint

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Speaker 1: as well. Sometimes you damage the joints and there's a

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Speaker 1: little bone chip in the joint. So there are a

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Speaker 1: number of things that can complicate this, but all of

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Speaker 1: them shouldn't make his recovery extend out beyond six months.

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Speaker 1: We're finding out Dak Prescott had a second surgery, compound

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Speaker 1: fracture and a dislocation here. How like is that normal?

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Speaker 1: And how does that affect him long term? It's not normal?

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Speaker 1: You wonder without knowing exactly what the surgery that was done.

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Speaker 1: I mean, sometimes they go in to remove some of

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Speaker 1: the hardware. Some of the hardware is symptomatic. Sometimes you

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Speaker 1: go in because people are so stiff that they require

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Speaker 1: a procedure to get rid of some of the scar

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Speaker 1: tissue so that you can have more normal motion. And

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Speaker 1: sometimes after a big fractured dislocation like that, you have

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Speaker 1: to go in later to maybe remove a little bone

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Speaker 1: ship or something that's irritating the joint. So all of

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Speaker 1: those things are not good news. But I think he

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Speaker 1: should be able to return and play play well as

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Speaker 1: a quarterback, you know. I mean, if you if he's

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Speaker 1: a running back or a wide receiver, you know, a

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Speaker 1: defense back. I mean, it's it's a much bigger deal,

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Speaker 1: even though he is a somewhat mobile quarterback. I think

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Speaker 1: that he should be able to return and be the

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Speaker 1: old Dak Prescott. How much progress have we made on

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00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: achilles tears? Um, there are more minimally invasive procedures that

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Speaker 1: are out there now that I think are pretty darn effective.

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Speaker 1: I think that the rehab has become appropriately aggressive, and

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Speaker 1: so I think folks do better now with Achilles ruptures

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Speaker 1: than they did a decade ago. And I think some

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Speaker 1: of it's due to the more minimally invasive surgery, and

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Speaker 1: some of it's due to the more aggressive rehab. I'm

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Speaker 1: going to open this up to the dants. Do you

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Speaker 1: guys have a sports related question injury wise for a doctor?

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Speaker 1: Addicts here? Because I had the micro fracture surgery of

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Speaker 1: my knee and it didn't work, but I had six

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Speaker 1: operations I eventually got a replacement knee. Are they still

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Speaker 1: doing microfracture surgery where they take the drill and go

575
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Speaker 1: whip it into your knee? Um, it's much more rarely done.

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00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: It is sort of a last ditch shepherd and a

577
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: younger patient to try to get some new crowds degred.

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Speaker 1: Just so you know, I am the exact same boat.

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Speaker 1: I had microfracture, a few more surgeries and I have

580
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Speaker 1: a total me too. So yeah, so the result, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: after microfracture, my career was never the same after that.

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Speaker 1: Do you guys have This is free medical advice, So

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Speaker 1: if you want to take doc up on this, if

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Speaker 1: you got a question, here mc love and do you

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Speaker 1: have a question for you? I'll start. So, I have

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Speaker 1: a hip impingement, Doc, am, I making it worse by

587
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Speaker 1: running a jog am, I making it worse, And well,

588
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Speaker 1: I eventually need a hip replacement because I have a

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Speaker 1: hip impingement in my right hip. All right, so I

590
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Speaker 1: am fifty nine years old, I haven't weighed less than

591
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Speaker 1: three hundred pounds, and forever both my hips I have impingement.

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Speaker 1: I mean I avoid position that caused me pain. Right,

593
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 1: most men have fai or phemo asset tabular invingement. And

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Speaker 1: it does not necessarily mean that you're gonna need a

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Speaker 1: joint replacement now. I mean as we age, sometimes we

596
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Speaker 1: have to change what we do and maybe need to

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Speaker 1: go from running to a bike or running to an elliptical,

598
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Speaker 1: or you know, change it up a little bit, cross

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Speaker 1: train a little bit. But no, I wouldn't tell you

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Speaker 1: to necessarily go and have a hip scope to have

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Speaker 1: that intingement removed, because who knows that that will actually

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Speaker 1: make you better. You could end up like Dan here

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Speaker 1: and have four more surgeries and then a hip replacement.

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Speaker 1: Seat O'Connor. About four years ago, when the Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: was in Houston, we went and shot a bit where

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Speaker 1: all of us we went to a spin class and

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Speaker 1: it was funny because we're all out of shape, or

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Speaker 1: most of us are out of shape. Okay, I was

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Speaker 1: out of shape. And while we were doing that when

610
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Speaker 1: we are done. Sometime later that night, my right knee

611
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Speaker 1: exploded and was like four times the size it normally is,

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Speaker 1: and I couldn't walk right for about two or three weeks.

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Speaker 1: And now every time that I go do something, whether

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Speaker 1: it's running or like play soccer with my kid or something,

615
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: my niece swells up again. Do you think there's something

616
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Speaker 1: wrong there? So you were you were? Obviously I think

617
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Speaker 1: you try too hard and that that's been class. Um.

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Speaker 1: So you were up, and you were up and out

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Speaker 1: of the saddle and you know, really really grinding and

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Speaker 1: going after Did you win? Did you win? Out of

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Speaker 1: all the d's, were the winner? I sure was not? No,

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Speaker 1: he was not. Do you think he needs surgery? Do

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Speaker 1: you think there's MRI? Well, all right, So when that happens,

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Speaker 1: it's usually you're grinding some of the carliage off the

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00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 1: ends of your bone. Little pieces of cartilage flake off,

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00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: the joint gets irritated and swells up. And so now

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Speaker 1: when you're running around playing with the kids, this continues

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Speaker 1: to happen. So I mean, an MRI would show you

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Speaker 1: whether this was a meniscus tear or more cartilage injury. Um.

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Speaker 1: Very often we have these injections. I call him an

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Speaker 1: oil change. It's highaluronic acid and it's it's like an

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Speaker 1: oil change for the joint and sometimes if that can

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Speaker 1: help protect the carlage and calm the joint down. But

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Speaker 1: it sounds like you're you got some wear and tear

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Speaker 1: in there for sure, Paulieu, doctor addics. I was throwing

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Speaker 1: some weight around last year in the weight room, and

637
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 1: like my elbow, where the joint is. If I put

638
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: my arms straight out, it's the top like the ligament

639
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 1: or whatever it is at the top of the joint.

640
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: And to hold stuff like in your hand, it hurts

641
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: a lot. And rest ice all that stuff didn't help whatsoever.

642
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts? Sounds like tennis elbow. If you

643
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: if you stand up and grab a chair and try

644
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:34,439
Speaker 1: to pick up a chair by the back of a chair,

645
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: how's that feel? Horrendous? Awful? Okay, yeah, it's tennis elbow.

646
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: So the medical term is lateral epicondo lightus. Go to

647
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 1: earthpeedic surgeon. Let him give you a quartis own ejection.

648
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: You'll be cured and we'll save the worst for lines. Todd. Yeah,

649
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 1: I got a lot of the bottoms of my feet.

650
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 1: I went to a prodiatrist recently, but I want to

651
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,479
Speaker 1: hear what you have to say. Right before, right under

652
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 1: the toes, I feel like I'm walking on a bump,

653
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 1: or like there's a sock stuffed in my shoe. I'm

654
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: not sure of what's going on, he suggested. Eventually I

655
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: may need physical therapy or needles. But what is this

656
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: bump across right under my toes where it feels like

657
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 1: I'm walking on like a little mini Pitchers mound? You know,

658
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 1: I mean usually that's metatarsalgen So the better question is

659
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,439
Speaker 1: do you feel worse barefoot or do you feel worse

660
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 1: with shoes on? I feel worse with shoes on. And

661
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 1: he sold me these, you know, a little insoles to

662
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: put in it, and it told me to ice my feet,

663
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,320
Speaker 1: which it hasn't worked just yet. So I'm trying to

664
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 1: figure out to avoid needles what I do if it

665
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 1: feels If it feels worse with shoes on, then that

666
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: usually means you have a neuroma. So when the bones

667
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,439
Speaker 1: are pressed together by a shoe, it's it's irritating a nerve,

668
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 1: and that nerve grows and makes a little you know,

669
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: it gets a little swollen, so those neuromas. Usually they

670
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 1: give you a metatarsal pad and then so that spreads

671
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 1: the toes apart, and sometimes they can do an injection

672
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: to shrink that nerve, and worst case scenario, they can

673
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: do a surgery and actually go in and remove that

674
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:01,800
Speaker 1: nerve so it doesn't feel like that anymore. Would you

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Speaker 1: be willing to do a surgery here in the man

676
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 1: cave on one of the danis dunk? You know, I

677
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: think we could pull it off. You know, it's a

678
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 1: local anesthetic and a bullet to bite on. I think

679
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: I think we can pull it off. Do you realize

680
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: that one of my when I got the micro fracture

681
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,800
Speaker 1: knee surgery, my doctor said, do you want to watch

682
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: me do it? And he was going to give me

683
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Speaker 1: a local and I could watch in the monitor And

684
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: I said, are you crazy? And he said, well, a

685
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 1: lot of people don't want to be put under because

686
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: of the anesthesia and then you get nauseous when you

687
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 1: wake up. He said, this is just a local, and

688
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 1: you could watch me send a drill bit through your knee.

689
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Speaker 1: Do you do this? Do you do you allow people

690
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: to stay away? I don't. I don't you know, I

691
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: actually did stay awake from one of my surgeries when

692
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Speaker 1: I was a resident and I was actually training to

693
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:50,959
Speaker 1: be a North Peak surgeon, I watched one of mine,

694
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: but with my patients, I just think I did it

695
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: a few times. And I had patients that basically never

696
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 1: quit talking the entire case, and it was a distraction

697
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: and so I just put them a sleep. Now, why

698
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 1: is every surgery a successful surgery on an athlete? Um?

699
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: I call it the beautiful baby syndrome, you know, I mean,

700
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Speaker 1: we do a surgery and that's our baby, and don't

701
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 1: know it's to say the baby, But everybody's surgery is

702
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: a successful surgery. It feels like, yep, it's the it's

703
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: the Yeah. We should have our hands brownsed after every case.

704
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: And do you make your patients put like this is

705
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 1: the need that you're going to operate on. Like I

706
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: had to take a sharpie and I had to actually

707
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 1: write my initials on it just so they asked me

708
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 1: like six times, are we doing your left knee? Yes?

709
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: And then I go, God, these guys are incompetent. They

710
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 1: don't know what need that they're doing. They wanted me

711
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 1: legally to keep saying no, it's my left knee. All right,

712
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: here's the sharpie. We want you to write your initials

713
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 1: on the knee that we're going to cut on. Is

714
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: that normal? Every every case, the patient and the surgeon

715
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 1: have to right with a sharp beyond the knee, and

716
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: you're going to be asked by every single nurse and

717
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 1: every anesthesiologist. I mean it's the worst case scenario, right,

718
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 1: I mean, if you are on the wrong stremity, you know,

719
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 1: let's right him a check? Did you ever defense? Did

720
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Speaker 1: you ever do that? You write that? Hey? Doc, always

721
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Speaker 1: great to talk to you. We appreciate your time. I

722
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 1: hope you're well. You bet. Thanks having me on you guys.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Mark Addocks a former Super Bowl champ with Washington.

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Speaker 1: He went to Harvard. Thanks for listening to The Dan

725
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,560
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Speaker 1: the Peacock app. Is uh Doc Rivers set to join

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Speaker 1: us there and there he is the seventy six Ers

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Speaker 1: head coach. And uh, were you a football fan? Are you?

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Speaker 1: Did you watch Super Bowl Doc? Yeah, I'm a I'm

735
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 1: a Bears fan. Um. You know, I'm hoping that we

736
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: get Deshaun Watson and we can win the Super Bowl.

737
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: So them. So yeah, but you're used to seeing, Well,

738
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Speaker 1: you got one year with the Bears eighty five, Yeah,

739
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: that was it. Where were you in eighty five? Where

740
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 1: were you? I was playing for the Atlanta Hawks. I

741
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: remember watching the Super Bowl with Scott A. Sings, Free

742
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:35,320
Speaker 1: Rollins and Randy Whitman. What did that team mean to you? Oh?

743
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 1: My gosh, it was the best its First of all,

744
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 1: it was the best defense to ever played for one

745
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,879
Speaker 1: season in the NFL. I'm biased, but I believe that.

746
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: And their cockiness, you know, doing the Super Bowl Shuffle

747
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 1: video after Game four and then going out and win

748
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. That was a pretty cool team. So

749
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: I'd met the world. Who's the cockiest team you've ever

750
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: been around? Either on or played? Again? I would say

751
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:09,320
Speaker 1: the old Celtics, you know, the Larry Bird, Michale, Dannyane Parish. Uh,

752
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 1: they just act like they were better than everybody, and

753
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 1: they were. Uh, but they didn't have to act like that,

754
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: like though, that that confidence that certain teams have when

755
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: they just walk on the floor. Yeah, it's a I

756
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 1: fought with the championship swagger. You know, we had it

757
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 1: the year we wanted in Boston that following year, Uh, Dan,

758
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 1: we had games where no no Rayale and no no

759
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 1: Paul Piers, no Kevin and we still won the game. Uh.

760
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 1: We had games down in the fourth quarter that you

761
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 1: can just feel like our guys kept thinking, well, we're

762
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 1: going to win the game at some point. Uh. The

763
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 1: goat State Warriors have it all the all the teams

764
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,399
Speaker 1: that win it kind of get it that following year.

765
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 1: But the role of you, your coach at being the

766
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 1: coach with a team like that, it felt like Rondo

767
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 1: was a coach on the floor, But as a the

768
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: head coach, can you allow Rondo to be your coach

769
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 1: on the floor. Yeah, if it's the right coach, you know. Uh,

770
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: And Rondo was the right coach, you know. Ronda was

771
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:16,879
Speaker 1: just brilliantly smart guy, driven, competitive guy. So so when

772
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: you have that, uh, then you have the right person

773
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: on the floor. Do you care that Rondo and Rayal

774
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 1: and don't get along, Like, yeah, I do. I do UM,

775
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's something that I'm hoping at some

776
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 1: point will subside. It hasn't uh yet. Um. You know,

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00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 1: it's tough because these two guys want a title together,

778
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 1: and in most cases, when you win something together, you know,

779
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 1: always liking it to having a blood transfusion, you're you're

780
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: you're bound together for the rest of your life. And

781
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 1: these guys are, but not in the right way. And

782
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: it has not gone away yet, And it's just too bad.

783
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: It feels like there's there's been player empowerment in the

784
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 1: NBA for a while. You can go back to you know,

785
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: Charles tried to join the Rockets, h Karl Malone and

786
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 1: Steve Nash or Gary Payton. Lebron certainly has done this.

787
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,359
Speaker 1: Now we see Tom Brady going to Tampa bringing in

788
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 1: players here, Harden once out of Houston, Kde and Kyrie

789
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: get together. Is this good for sports? I think it is.

790
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 1: I've never had a problem with it. I'll tell you

791
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 1: that I do have a problem when players leave my team.

792
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 1: I never liked that. Do you take it personally when

793
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: they decide they want to get out? Oh? Absolutely, absolutely

794
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: you should. I mean, you put so much into these

795
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 1: guys then and you think you're doing the right thing,

796
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: and then you get a call a sentinsence wants the league,

797
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 1: and you take that personal. You don't take that you

798
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 1: know that they want to go join another team and

799
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: think that team is better. You can take that part personal.

800
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 1: And I think you know, listen, player in Barman is

801
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: good in a lot of ways. Players for so many

802
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,800
Speaker 1: years really had no rights. You know, I was a player,

803
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 1: and let's be honest. You have to play your way

804
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: into greatness to have to be able to have that power,

805
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: because you know, I was an average player, a little

806
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 1: bit above average. I think if I had it, got

807
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:25,959
Speaker 1: it and said I want to get traded, they would

808
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: have They would have done it. They're not sending you

809
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:34,879
Speaker 1: where you want to go. That's exactly right. Yeah, we're

810
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: talking to Doc Rivers, the seventy six ers head coach.

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Speaker 1: How does it go over in Philly with you being

812
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 1: called Doc? And you know how seventy six Ers fans are.

813
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,919
Speaker 1: They're very territorial with the only Doc and then's doctor Joe.

814
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 1: I tell you I love the fans there because they

815
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 1: remind me a little bit of Boston. They have what

816
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 1: you would call real passion and so the building I'm

817
00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: the building I'm living in. The doorman said, hey, you know,

818
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 1: I'm never calling you Doc. Uh, And I'm saying no,

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00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 1: I'm good with that. You know, I thought it was

820
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:08,320
Speaker 1: a joke. Dan. I've been there now but six seven

821
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 1: months living there and it's either hey, miss Rivers or

822
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 1: hey Glenn. He is actually serious. He will not call

823
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Speaker 1: me Doc. Was Doc still around when you got into

824
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:24,359
Speaker 1: the NBA? Yeah, Um, I want to say he played

825
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,839
Speaker 1: two or three years. You know, I never met him. Um.

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Speaker 1: And the first game we played him, Dominique gets injured

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00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 1: and and Mike Fortell, who comes up to me and says, hey, um,

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Speaker 1: you're a point guard, but I'm gonna need you to

829
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 1: guard you know, Doctor Jake. I was thinking this is

830
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 1: this is that gonna go? Well? And what was great

831
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: about it? We come to the jump ball circle and um,

832
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,879
Speaker 1: you know, Doctor j reaches out and says, what's up? Doc?

833
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 1: And so that was a really cool moment for me.

834
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: That was really cool. I was happy you did that

835
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 1: and you got to go back to college when Rick

836
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: Magaris was your assistant coaching. Were you at a basketball

837
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 1: camp when you wore the Doctor j T shirt? Yeah?

838
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 1: I was a freshman in high school. And Rick and

839
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: al McGuire, they didn't know my name, you know. They

840
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 1: they needed me to play. The Bucks were there playing

841
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: the next position game for us, the campers. They only

842
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 1: had nine players and they needed a tenth player. And

843
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: Al McGuire stands up and says, hey, Doc, come down

844
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 1: and play. And I'm sitting there like looking just like

845
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 1: all the other kids. They get who was Doc, and

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00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 1: he pointed at me and I realized that I was Doc.

847
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 1: And I found out after the game that Rick majeris

848
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: total man. That kid can really play. But I had

849
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 1: a Doctor J T shirt. So I told Rick and

850
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: Hayk and how fifty times my name's Glenn, my name's

851
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 1: not Doc. And they didn't want to hear it. So

852
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: I just had to live with it. How did Doctor

853
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:08,799
Speaker 1: Jay do against your your defensive prowess? He did well? Yeah,

854
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 1: I don't know how well, but he did very well.

855
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 1: I remember we had grand hill on and he said

856
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Speaker 1: later in his career, you know, I was supposed to

857
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 1: be this defensive stopper, you know, and he was a

858
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 1: great offensive guy, but you know, because he was limited

859
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 1: with injuries, all of a sudden, he was a defensive stopper.

860
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 1: He's got to go out there and guard Lebron And

861
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: he said, I'm not a defensive stopper, but I had

862
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:31,959
Speaker 1: to have a role, and that was basically it. Yeah,

863
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 1: it's a tough role, I tell you, especially late in

864
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 1: your career when I was with the Spurs. You know,

865
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:38,839
Speaker 1: I was coming up to the bench in my last

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00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 1: two years and Bob Hill would put me into just

867
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 1: to stop people. Vinnidale, they're growing unfortunately, got people really

868
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 1: warm by the time I got gay. I remember playing

869
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:55,919
Speaker 1: Alan Houston in Detroit and I call a time out

870
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: at the three minutes on the floor and Bob Hill's

871
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 1: going crazy. What'd you go time about? For us? I

872
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 1: can't guard this this guy. I mean he was He

873
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 1: was absolutely killing me, and you know everyone's laughing and joking.

874
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:16,840
Speaker 1: I'm not joking. I can't guard him. I love that

875
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:20,240
Speaker 1: you called a time out, but also Vinnie lets him score.

876
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 1: You gotta come in and try to get you know, shutting.

877
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:26,800
Speaker 1: He got him warm. Yeah. We used to call Vinny Kerosene,

878
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 1: you know, because oh, how's your team? By the way,

879
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 1: I love him, uh, and we have a lot of

880
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: growing to do, Like it's a very long talented basketball team. Uh,

881
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 1: figuring out still how to win, you know, uh, and

882
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:54,800
Speaker 1: what winning looks like every day. They're young, dan um

883
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 1: I have to remind myself of that. Usually when you

884
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 1: have a talented team that has a chance, you have

885
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 1: a lot of veterans on it. This team, you know,

886
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 1: other than Danny Green and dwighte this is a really

887
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 1: young basketball team, and so they're they're really fun to coach,

888
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 1: you know, and we look at this and from the

889
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: outside and we go, well, you should be able to

890
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 1: help Ben Simmons shoot or you know, it's like Lonzo Ball,

891
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 1: we should be able to help him shoot. Is it

892
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:25,800
Speaker 1: harder to help somebody this late in their career? You know,

893
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 1: when you're in your twenties, which sounds late that you

894
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 1: haven't learned how to shoot or have that confidence. What

895
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:35,439
Speaker 1: role can you play in helping Ben be a better shooter? Well,

896
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 1: what you want them to do is first be a

897
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 1: better player, you know, to show him what his talents

898
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 1: can bring him. You know, for me, it's just passing

899
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 1: against his defense, is his playmaking, and then it's a

900
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 1: shooting I always start with the free throw line, you know, Um,

901
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 1: I think you gain a lot of confidence from that line.

902
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 1: And you know, our first conversation together, I told him,

903
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,240
Speaker 1: I want you to get on the line ten times

904
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:07,359
Speaker 1: a game. I want you to make it to the

905
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 1: file line ten times a game. And to me, that

906
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 1: starts it because when you see a player been made

907
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 1: two fritos late last night in the game, when you

908
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 1: see a player willing to get filed, that tells you

909
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 1: that their confidence is starting to grow. I think we

910
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 1: too much. We're made about Ben Simmons and three pointers.

911
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 1: You know, I'm like, he didn't need to be a

912
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 1: three point shooter. He needs to take them when they're there,

913
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 1: you know, if you know what I'm saying. Jimmy Butler

914
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 1: in the playoffs scored with fifty points slash year without

915
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 1: taking the three you know, so you can still be

916
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 1: very effective, especially with Ben's body type. What was that

917
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 1: feeling like when you realize the Clippers didn't want to

918
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:54,240
Speaker 1: keep you. Oh, it's a hard one, you know, because

919
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 1: I know I can coach, you know, and so when

920
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: you're with that team and it was not an easy

921
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 1: year last year, Dan, you're in the bubble um. You know,

922
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 1: half the guys didn't play most of the year. I

923
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 1: mean Paul George and Kawhi Leonard I think had five

924
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 1: practices together the entire year. So you know, you never

925
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 1: got a chance to coach that real team. Uh and

926
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:23,880
Speaker 1: and and get them to their potential. Uh. But whenever

927
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 1: you lose a job, it's hard, you know, because you

928
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:29,959
Speaker 1: believe you could do the job, and especially with that team.

929
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 1: Like I looked at that team and thought, you know,

930
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:37,879
Speaker 1: healthy all year, I think we would have been hard

931
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 1: to be but we never had that. In the bubble

932
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 1: was a disaster. We had guys, you know, I think

933
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:47,839
Speaker 1: transmiss thirty days in the bubble. Lou Williams had uh

934
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:52,319
Speaker 1: you know chicken wing gates. If you remember, Hey, how

935
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:54,359
Speaker 1: mad did you get it at him for going out

936
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:57,280
Speaker 1: to get chicken wings? I was upset at him because

937
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 1: you know, the thing was, he went back to Atlanta

938
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 1: for a reason. There was a death uh in his family,

939
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 1: and uh we really fought for him to go. Uh.

940
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 1: And I get a late night called about the chicken wings.

941
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, you gotta be kidding me. Um, you know,

942
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 1: but but you gotta move on with it. That's one

943
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:22,799
Speaker 1: thing in coaching and in life. Like the next day

944
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 1: after me telling Lou how very how not smart that was. Uh,

945
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 1: you're looking at your team like, I got to get

946
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:33,800
Speaker 1: this team together. So it puts you in a tough spot.

947
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:38,360
Speaker 1: Have you been to Magic City, Duc, Oh? Yeah, but

948
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 1: it was a whole, long, long time ago. I you know,

949
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:47,880
Speaker 1: I don't remember them having the kitchen. Well you probably

950
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 1: went to Cheatah three maybe or the Gold Club. Yeah,

951
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 1: that was back in the day of uh, you know

952
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 1: those clubs. I don't even know if they're open anymore.

953
00:53:56,760 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: I'm assuming yes, because because it's Atlanta. To you know,

954
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 1: it's funny Dan, we're talking about Atlanta, and you know,

955
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 1: you remember the year we won in two thousand and eight.

956
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 1: I made a comment after the Hawks beat us in

957
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:13,840
Speaker 1: I think Game six, I said, the city of Atlanta

958
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 1: played wonderful today, And I was basically referencing, you know,

959
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 1: we lost to the Hawks, but I have a strong

960
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:27,319
Speaker 1: suspicion that the CD beat us. The club circuit may

961
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 1: have gotten a victory exactly. Well what Miami would always

962
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 1: worry coaches worry about the Miami flu with the Yeah. Yeah,

963
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:40,319
Speaker 1: I used to make deals with our guys, you know. Um,

964
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 1: I would tell them that if we won, we were

965
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:46,840
Speaker 1: gonna still to night that night, but the night before,

966
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:51,360
Speaker 1: just get some rests, just get some rest, and sometimes

967
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 1: it worked and sometimes oh you're the best. Hey uh,

968
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 1: congrats on season so far. We appreciate your time. It's

969
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 1: always thanks for owning us a great scene, you man.

970
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 1: Thank you, Doc. That's a Glen Glen Rivers there, Doc Rivers,

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00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:08,800
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