Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to OOKF Daily with Meet
Speaker 1: Your Girl Daniel Moody. Pre Recording from the Home Bunker, Folks,
Speaker 1: I'm taking a little bit of a respite as we
Speaker 1: prepare to barrel into the Democratic Convention at the end
Speaker 1: of this month, but as always, I'm leaving you with
Speaker 1: some juicy episodes to dig into. Coming up. On today's episode,
Speaker 1: I interview my friend and friend of the show, Jennifer Tobb,
Speaker 1: who is, as you know, a law professor. She is
Speaker 1: the host of Morning with Jen on the Mary Trump Network.
Speaker 1: She is also the host of Legal Nerds on the
Speaker 1: Mary Trump Network and is just a mind that I
Speaker 1: love to tap into. And on today's episode, we discuss
Speaker 1: the momentum that is the vice president's campaign. At the
Speaker 1: moment of this recording, we do not yet know who
Speaker 1: the vice presidential pick is, but we are talking about
Speaker 1: all of the people powered calls and organizing that it's
Speaker 1: happening at the grassroots level that are bringing in millions
Speaker 1: and millions of dollars for the campaign. And Jen joined
Speaker 1: two of the calls and gives us some insight into
Speaker 1: what is being said, how people are feeling. But her
Speaker 1: and I for the first time in a very long time,
Speaker 1: talk about this little thing called hope, this little thing
Speaker 1: called excitement and faith that we are feeling in this
Speaker 1: very moment, and hopefully by the time that y'all are
Speaker 1: listening to this, that feeling is continuing to roll in.
Speaker 1: So coming up next my conversation with the incomparable Gentile Friends.
Speaker 1: Whenever I get to chat with our friend friend of
Speaker 1: the show, gent Tobb, I am always always so delighted
Speaker 1: and grateful. You know her. She's a law professor. She's
Speaker 1: the author of Big Dirty Money and Other People's Houses.
Speaker 1: She is also the host of Morning with Jim on
Speaker 1: Mary Trump's new network, Mary Trump Media. She's also a
Speaker 1: nerd Avenger, which I am so happy to say that
Speaker 1: I am also a nerd adventurer and the host of
Speaker 1: Legal Nerds. I mean, you're giving me a run for
Speaker 1: my money. I was supposed to be the one with
Speaker 1: the most podcasts and shows and now you have seventeen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm trying to cut back, but you know, it's
Speaker 2: like potato.
Speaker 1: Chips, just keep eating them, just keep getting shows. So, Jen,
Speaker 1: since the last time we spoke, dare I say we
Speaker 1: are in a better place as Democrats. Dare I say
Speaker 1: that we may be feeling a bit more hopeful than
Speaker 1: the place we were several weeks ago when we spoke.
Speaker 1: Let's start off. You tell me how you were feeling
Speaker 1: since the seismic shift in our election cycle, with Joe
Speaker 1: Biden making the courageous and brave decision I think, to
Speaker 1: step aside and his vice president Kamala Harris taking the reins.
Speaker 1: It has been, you know, just a short period of time.
Speaker 2: Days.
Speaker 1: Yes, at the time of this recording, it's been eight days.
Speaker 1: How are you feeling.
Speaker 2: I tend to traffic in metaphors when words don't suffice
Speaker 2: to describe something as seismic as we're going through, and
Speaker 2: so it reminds me of the Hollywood film classic The
Speaker 2: Wizard of Oz when Dorothy exits the world, you know,
Speaker 2: the black and white world in Kansas and steps into technicolor.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is emotionally feels like an awakening. Of course,
Speaker 2: you know, you were and I were going to support
Speaker 2: whoever was at the top of the Democratic ticket, and
Speaker 2: I was someone who would say, no, it's not lesser
Speaker 2: of two evils. Joe Biden's had an incredible record, and
Speaker 2: that's true, but I also know how people operate in
Speaker 2: the world who aren't in the Amtrak don't live in
Speaker 2: the Amtrak corridor. And now that I'm back in Michigan,
Speaker 2: I get that people live their lives and not everybody
Speaker 2: is fully focused on things. And the drama of Biden
Speaker 2: stepping down and endorsing Kamala Harris the energy and expertise
Speaker 2: that she brings into the conversation, and it's sort of
Speaker 2: like the opposite of PTSD. It's PTJD post wait, PJTD
Speaker 2: post joy, I do, can't do it whatever. It's the
Speaker 2: reminder of joy we all feel like two thousand and eight,
Speaker 2: and more so because it feels like maybe if we
Speaker 2: can actually do this, we're still moving forward. And Donald
Speaker 2: Trump was that last gasp, and not the authoritarian movement that's,
Speaker 2: you know, the right wing, white supremacist authoritarian movement that
Speaker 2: is kind of sweeping the globe, like maybe we are
Speaker 2: going to be like France. Maybe we are going to
Speaker 2: be like the UK that's rejecting Brexit now and so
Speaker 2: on and is now moving left. But we don't know.
Speaker 2: So most of me is filled with joy and hope
Speaker 2: while also knowing that the stakes have not changed. And
Speaker 2: knowing that we have a dangerous, lawless, rapist, fraudster who
Speaker 2: has before instigated insurrection using the violence of mobs, does
Speaker 2: not want to lose, So I don't know when we
Speaker 2: get to exhale. So you know, it's like I feel
Speaker 2: filled with joy and at the same time, my stomach
Speaker 2: is still in knots.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that I feel the same way, and
Speaker 1: you put good imagery to it, because you know, I
Speaker 1: tell my listeners all the time that I walk around
Speaker 1: with a mustard seed of hope, right, and that what
Speaker 1: has happened over this last several days is that that
Speaker 1: seed has multiplied one hundred times over in a way
Speaker 1: that I never thought would happen. I have been talking
Speaker 1: on WOKF and other shows about just how devastated this
Speaker 1: country will be if Donald Trump takes the reins again
Speaker 1: and never lets go. And what we just saw recently
Speaker 1: with his interview with what's her name ingram over at
Speaker 1: Fox is even when spoonfed the right thing to say,
Speaker 1: did you really mean Donald Trump to tell Christians that
Speaker 1: if they vote in this election, they'll never have to
Speaker 1: vote again? Is that I don't think that that's what
Speaker 1: you meant, But that's what you know the lefties are saying.
Speaker 1: And when spoon fed, Donald Trump spit it out and said, nah,
Speaker 1: that's what I meant. They don't ever have to vote again.
Speaker 1: Everything will be fixed and it'll be good and they
Speaker 1: can just go back to their lives. And so it's
Speaker 1: hard to find joy when there is so much on
Speaker 1: the line. But somehow Vice President Harris's juxtaposition of the
Speaker 1: healthscape that Project twenty twenty five and Donald Trump want
Speaker 1: to create and her idea of freedom, her actual video
Speaker 1: Beyonce soundtrack of Freedom attached to it just presents like
Speaker 1: air at a time when I think that we were gasping.
Speaker 2: I mean that is true. I mean I was thinking
Speaker 2: of the visual, but you are also talking about the
Speaker 2: physical right and it feels it feels not just like
Speaker 2: being able to breathe, because I'm someone with asthma and
Speaker 2: so I know what you mean, but it also feels
Speaker 2: like the weight you know that metaphor the weight lifted
Speaker 2: off of us. And the other thing I have to say,
Speaker 2: no matter what happens, what I have seen in the
Speaker 2: last eight days from Joeteika Edie, someone who was who
Speaker 2: should be better known, who wasn't as well known in
Speaker 2: the mainstream press, who is organized and started a group
Speaker 2: called a Win with Black Women. How she just jumped
Speaker 2: right in Sunday night organized a zoom call, which it
Speaker 2: basically cut the path. You know, it just created this
Speaker 2: momentum the same way that we I was talking about
Speaker 2: today on Morning Jen. You know, it's this way that
Speaker 2: I know everyone says, you know, social media and Twitter
Speaker 2: isn't the real world. But in a way, this is
Speaker 2: like the first kind of meme YouTube, Twitter kind of
Speaker 2: fundraising campaign effort like shed you know, because people know
Speaker 2: each other, because she probably knows Shannon Watts from her
Speaker 2: organizing work with Mons Demand. A lot of trust has
Speaker 2: been built up across communities over the COVID era. Over
Speaker 2: people have learned to trust people they don't know, and
Speaker 2: so pretty easy to reach out to Shannon or for
Speaker 2: Shannon to reach out to her and say, like, how
Speaker 2: do we do this? How do we build on what
Speaker 2: you've done and acknowledge what you've done? And then you
Speaker 2: see all these other groups doing this and it is
Speaker 2: really important. And yes, you know, we're not solely the
Speaker 2: identities the various intersexual identities that we each have, but
Speaker 2: sometimes that's how we are cut up demographically for voting purposes,
Speaker 2: and the reality is it is true when we look
Speaker 2: at who actually if we want to elect Kamala Harris,
Speaker 2: where we have to bring up the numbers voters have
Speaker 2: to turn out, but we also have to convert people
Speaker 2: from blindly voting for Republican Canada because they believe these
Speaker 2: false stories. And you know, I think that organizing. You know,
Speaker 2: I've been on a lot of the calls. I even
Speaker 2: last night was on the white Dudes for Harris call
Speaker 2: because my sort of way of moving about the world
Speaker 2: is sort of like a white male more so than
Speaker 2: a white and that's hard to It's not my gender identity,
Speaker 2: but it's just I don't always fully identify with the
Speaker 2: same struggles that white women go through. Like I'm not
Speaker 2: one of the you know how people in the call
Speaker 2: were saying, and if you listened in on it, like, hey,
Speaker 2: we white women are sometimes you know, staying silent because
Speaker 2: it's easier, and I'm like, well, that's not me, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean? So if anything, I'm the sort
Speaker 2: of like the interrupting male who doesn't let someone get
Speaker 2: in a word in edgewise or or whatever it is.
Speaker 2: So for me, it was nice to be on both
Speaker 2: calls right because I think I have, you know, white
Speaker 2: female privilege, which is very different than white male privilege.
Speaker 2: And I also think that voting wise, I vote more
Speaker 2: like women who are going to be more likely to
Speaker 2: support Harris than I would like like a man. But
Speaker 2: at the same time, the energy very different energy from
Speaker 2: the calls. Loved them both for different reasons. Anyway, I
Speaker 2: just I don't know how I got down this path,
Speaker 2: but I feel like, well, I guess what I'm saying
Speaker 2: is to hear white men, to see black men say
Speaker 2: we're support Harris, to see men people identify as male
Speaker 2: to say this woman we want as our candidate, and
Speaker 2: to put their time and their money behind this. I mean,
Speaker 2: that is something in my lifetime I'm not sure I
Speaker 2: expected to see, and it feels so f and good.
Speaker 1: I want to, you know, remind folks that joeteika Edia,
Speaker 1: as you said, launched these efforts, these calls that have
Speaker 1: been popping up every single day, multiple a day, happening
Speaker 1: with different identity groups, starting with black women, moving to
Speaker 1: black men that was led by Roland Martin and Bacari Sellers,
Speaker 1: moving to white women answer the call with Shannon Watts,
Speaker 1: and then down the line Southeast Asian women, Latino men,
Speaker 1: white dudes. All of those things have been happening. The
Speaker 1: queer call has happened, a disability call has happened. And
Speaker 1: to your point, Jen, when you say, you know, we
Speaker 1: are the intersection of so many different identities. But I
Speaker 1: think that the power in identifying in a way that
Speaker 1: polsters identifies what do the white women think, what do
Speaker 1: the rural people think? Right? They pull out these characteristics
Speaker 1: and then they wrap stereotypes around them, and I almost
Speaker 1: think that these calls help us reclaim pieces of those
Speaker 1: identities that have been flattened in our political discourse and
Speaker 1: really put some weight and energy and death, which is
Speaker 1: needed because voters are not one dimensional, right, So talk
Speaker 1: to us Because I have interviewed Shannon has been on
Speaker 1: this show throughout the years, and I've always enjoyed our
Speaker 1: conversations and think very highly of her, and so I
Speaker 1: knew that if there was going to be anyone that
Speaker 1: was going to pick up the baton that Joeteika was holding,
Speaker 1: it would be Shannon. Talk to us about some of
Speaker 1: the things that were talked about that you learned on
Speaker 1: that white women answer the call.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, I think that I maybe I'll talk
Speaker 2: about three different things. I mean, the first thing was
Speaker 2: immediately recognizing that Joe Teika did the first call, right,
Speaker 2: because we've seen other things like the Me too movement.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, I mean, you know, we've seen movements started
Speaker 2: by black women be co opted by white women. Whether
Speaker 2: intentionally or unintentionally doesn't even matter. We've seen so much
Speaker 2: of that. So you know, it started out with the designation,
Speaker 2: the recognition. And I think also what I noticed, I'm
Speaker 2: just trying to remember how to choose my the things.
Speaker 2: What I what I noticed is, gosh, it was so
Speaker 2: great to hear just different people say it. And I'm
Speaker 2: thinking it was Glennon Doyle who said it, but that hey,
Speaker 2: are we doing this? Are we calling ourself white women?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: That's something. You know, there's a generation, a couple of
Speaker 2: generations above us, maybe you know, the older baby Boomers
Speaker 2: or the silent generation, where white people were trained to
Speaker 2: pretend they were colored blind because to designate, first of all,
Speaker 2: not even to see whiteness as a race right or
Speaker 2: as a category, but also not to really talk about race,
Speaker 2: because if you did, then you were trying to harken
Speaker 2: back to hierarchies that you pretend don't exist anymore. Right,
Speaker 2: So everyone on this call was so beyond that, like,
Speaker 2: we get why we're together. The call was open to everybody,
Speaker 2: but we I think that everyone who spoke spoke from
Speaker 2: a place of saying I guess the subtext was, this
Speaker 2: isn't the same feminism that used to be. Like it
Speaker 2: really felt like, how do we you know? I remember
Speaker 2: taking women's studies classes years ago and feeling like, wow,
Speaker 2: the women's movement has always been fractured, you know whether
Speaker 2: it was and I don't. There's so many waves of
Speaker 2: women's movements. But thinking of like you know, the Betty
Speaker 2: for Dan kind of saying when her whole book of like,
Speaker 2: you know, women should be able work. It's like some
Speaker 2: women have.
Speaker 1: Been a right, have been forced to work.
Speaker 2: They're forced to work, and they're working in your home
Speaker 2: and they don't get to take care of their own kids.
Speaker 2: And what is women's work? Just like what is a
Speaker 2: black dot? But this stuff is really super complicated. But
Speaker 2: everyone I felt like on this call had been there,
Speaker 2: done that, and we're so glad to be together to say, hey,
Speaker 2: let's recognize that we're not all in the same place.
Speaker 2: Let's recognize that, you know, white women have access to
Speaker 2: other white women, to white men to actually have these
Speaker 2: hard conversations. I love Glennon Doyle saying something which may
Speaker 2: have upset some people, but it made me so flip
Speaker 2: and happy. She said, you know what, guys, don't go
Speaker 2: write some postcards. I know postcards supposedly change votes. Great,
Speaker 2: but what she was saying is, instead of going out
Speaker 2: and sending a postcard to some person in a different
Speaker 2: swing state you don't know, do the harder work of
Speaker 2: getting on the phone or being face to face to
Speaker 2: one relative or one friend that you know is planning
Speaker 2: to vote for Donald Trump. If you can change that
Speaker 2: one person, you've changed the world. And there were at
Speaker 2: one point because they were actually trying to zoom people
Speaker 2: and not just putting them on the YouTube. And you know,
Speaker 2: there were over one hundred and fifty thousand people on
Speaker 2: that call. If all of us just converted one person
Speaker 2: in a swing state, we've done. And so again, I
Speaker 2: don't want to belittle people who write postcards because that's
Speaker 2: how you want to do it, But do the hard
Speaker 2: work of telling people why we need to support Kamala Harris,
Speaker 2: and it felt like that. It also felt like and
Speaker 2: there were some people in this I did not resonate
Speaker 2: for me, but I think it resonated for others. And
Speaker 2: it was Glennon whod said this sort of like that. Well,
Speaker 2: maybe I don't know, it's not true. I think it
Speaker 2: does resonate in some way that we are so acculturated
Speaker 2: and we are raised. And I don't know if this
Speaker 2: is true for people who aren't white, but for women
Speaker 2: to not have anyone be unhappy with you and so
Speaker 2: you don't being liked, being considered polite, not being confrontational
Speaker 2: is the way that people get by. Again, you know, me,
Speaker 2: that doesn't really fully fit me, but again I have
Speaker 2: to recognize that's where most white women actually exist. Yeah, right,
Speaker 2: in being a white Jewish woman, maybe that's different, right,
Speaker 2: Maybe we're more in your face. I don't know, but
Speaker 2: I heard it and I and it makes me understand
Speaker 2: better how to deal with other white women. And maybe
Speaker 2: I shouldn't come on so strong. Like when I deal
Speaker 2: with men generally in my life, it's sometimes easier to
Speaker 2: deal with them because you can just be in their
Speaker 2: face and just say shit, Like maybe I feel that
Speaker 2: way about about you two. But I have noticed to
Speaker 2: cunder Green Vine like one of those old old women's
Speaker 2: studies classes where no one wants to interrupt everyone ever
Speaker 2: and saying I'm sorry. And the call felt a little
Speaker 2: bit like that, But at the same time it felt
Speaker 2: incredible because we raised on that call and afterward like
Speaker 2: eight million dollars. Oh the other thing I got called out,
Speaker 2: not directly, but indirectly. I was like, trying to donate
Speaker 2: right link isn't working, and so we're all like texting
Speaker 2: people or saying on you know, like I did a
Speaker 2: mess at DM too while she's trying to run the
Speaker 2: flip and call to Shannon saying, you know, we can't
Speaker 2: donate because of course I don't want it to fail
Speaker 2: because people.
Speaker 1: Don't doing it right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they're like, you know what, guys, everything doesn't
Speaker 2: have to work out. Stop, you know, don't cry about
Speaker 2: the fact you know there's no manager to call. Just
Speaker 2: wait and donate, you know what I mean. And so
Speaker 2: that felt okay, I don't know, I mean, I felt overall,
Speaker 2: it felt good Again. Doing the hard work is harder
Speaker 2: for me. It's easy for me to go on Twitter
Speaker 2: and mouth off or go on my show and say something.
Speaker 2: Having the conversation with a person I can think of
Speaker 2: that I need to have this conversation with in a
Speaker 2: swing state to get her to vote for Harris. That's,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: Because that's putting something on the line. Do you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying? Like, that's having a stake, that is
Speaker 1: a personal stake in this election and in these conversations,
Speaker 1: And I think that too often. The reason why I
Speaker 1: was like, yes, Joe Taika, Yes, like you're leading the
Speaker 1: way and all of these people are recognizing and uplifting
Speaker 1: you because I feel like lessons have been learned since
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, lessons have been learned since twenty sixteen, and people,
Speaker 1: particularly white women, who gained in numbers for Donald Trump
Speaker 1: from twenty sixteen to twenty twenty, which was like, what
Speaker 1: the fuck? How does that happen? And so I feel
Speaker 1: like there was some deep personal responsibility, but also some
Speaker 1: really I'm hopeful that this is the beginning of deeper excavation. Yes,
Speaker 1: it felt that way of just how misogyny and patriarchy
Speaker 1: are so deeply intertwined and in bed with white supremacy right,
Speaker 1: and that these things are not siloed things, and so
Speaker 1: it is about an ideology that has been fed since
Speaker 1: birth on how to act, how to show up, how
Speaker 1: to not take up too much space, how to you know,
Speaker 1: align with your man, how.
Speaker 2: To trust men to make the decisions. Yeah, I mean what,
Speaker 2: it's really hard, Like our minds are even co opted
Speaker 2: in such a way that even lying lying is like
Speaker 2: like in other words, women could can go into the
Speaker 2: voting booth and vote for Kamala Harris and if their
Speaker 2: husband asks, they can say, oh, yeah, I voted for Trump,
Speaker 2: but they we wouldn't as a white woman, to do
Speaker 2: that would be tantamount to setting fire to your house,
Speaker 2: Like we are acculturated that we don't even You're supposed
Speaker 2: to be a good girl, right and you can't taking
Speaker 2: that step, you know, is hard. And I think I
Speaker 2: think in my conversations and maybe other white women might
Speaker 2: do this is say to someone I know, like I
Speaker 2: know a lot of people who will not vote for Trump,
Speaker 2: but they say, well, I'm not going to vote for
Speaker 2: Biden or I'm not going to vote for Harris. And
Speaker 2: what I want to say is to these folks, especially
Speaker 2: to other white women, is would you do this for me?
Speaker 2: Would you do this for my daughters? Would you do
Speaker 2: this because I'm terrified about where things are going? Would
Speaker 2: you trust me because I was right before. I told
Speaker 2: you before that they were going to put these justices
Speaker 2: on that overturn row versus weight, and you told me no,
Speaker 2: you thought they would. Those justices were telling the truth,
Speaker 2: and they did. Could you trust me this time around? Like,
Speaker 2: how do we crey to people? How are you going
Speaker 2: to feel the day after? If I'm right this time
Speaker 2: and he starts literally rounding up millions of people and
Speaker 2: putting them in camps, there's no going back there. So
Speaker 2: take a chance for me, you know. And I'm trying
Speaker 2: to figure out those conversations to have with people.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that you know, one, it's just
Speaker 1: so important because we're taught from a very young age
Speaker 1: to be polite, don't talk about politics at the dinner table,
Speaker 1: don't talk about religion. And I'm just like, and these
Speaker 1: are two fundamental things that make up who we are,
Speaker 1: that make up our character, right, whether or not you
Speaker 1: subscribe to a religion or not, whether or not you
Speaker 1: have a political affiliation, but there is something and if
Speaker 1: we learned how to have hard conversations with each other.
Speaker 1: Then a Trump would have never existed in the first place,
Speaker 1: because we would have been able to talk about this
Speaker 1: in twenty fifteen. And so last thoughts to you, Jen,
Speaker 1: which is you've said at the top, this feels like
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight but different. Do you think that
Speaker 1: in the next ninety some odd days that we have
Speaker 1: the ability to do the impossible again? That this isn't
Speaker 1: just a flash in the pan because we're just excited
Speaker 1: in this week, but that something really does feel different.
Speaker 2: Yes, And there's two things that are critical. One is,
Speaker 2: don't let anyone take away from us the they're weird
Speaker 2: and creepy message that resonates so much for people you say, oh,
Speaker 2: asoritarian or fascist. Most people I know, you know, not that.
Speaker 2: People who listen not you, and I they get you know,
Speaker 2: you say to somebody, it's really weird, it's really creepy
Speaker 2: that they want to monitor people's periods, that you know
Speaker 2: that every woman's eyes are going to pop open on that,
Speaker 2: that they don't even think there should be an exception
Speaker 2: for rap or incests because carrying your rapist baby to term,
Speaker 2: that's a mere inconvenience. When you say this, it blows
Speaker 2: people away, and so I know, more intellectual people are
Speaker 2: worried that we shouldn't say words like creepy or weird,
Speaker 2: that we should be able to give a twenty point
Speaker 2: policy treatise. It's that's not how how it works. People
Speaker 2: don't want to you know, the whole way I want
Speaker 2: to have a beer with him, I don't want to
Speaker 2: be in an elevator with him. Is also a way
Speaker 2: to get someone not to fucking come for somebody, come on,
Speaker 2: I know yep, okay one and two my older you know,
Speaker 2: I don't name someone, but I have young people in
Speaker 2: my wife and they you know they're age is because
Speaker 2: they're young, But it's more like, why are these old
Speaker 2: people who older than my grandparents running the country. And
Speaker 2: so I don't really care who Harris chooses. We've talked
Speaker 2: about that before. You know, I was leaning toward Tim Walls,
Speaker 2: but a lot of people like Josh Shapiro because he
Speaker 2: seems like a young go getter. I don't know about
Speaker 2: the whole you know, stuff about Gaza and how that's
Speaker 2: going to counterbalance with the young voters. But you've got
Speaker 2: to be thinking about those flipping young voters because they're
Speaker 2: excited right now, they're interested with what's going on with Harris.
Speaker 2: There's a new Harris here instead of calling her a cop.
Speaker 2: I think people are kind of understanding her record a
Speaker 2: lot better because they not smearing her with some things.
Speaker 2: And also, I mean, I could go on and on
Speaker 2: of a why I love her and why she's so
Speaker 2: much better than Trump, But we're talking about coalition. We
Speaker 2: are a coalition, So I don't know. I think creepy
Speaker 2: and weird will win the election, and I will go
Speaker 2: to my grave on that point.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, Jen, we will have you back a
Speaker 1: number of times as we count down the less than
Speaker 1: one hundred days until the election, and you know, let's
Speaker 1: continue the excitement and more importantly, let's continue the conversation.
Speaker 1: Always appreciate you, my friend. That is it for me today,
Speaker 1: dear friends, on Woke a f as always, Power to
Speaker 1: the people and to all the people. Power, get woke
Speaker 1: and stay woke as fuck.