1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,000 Speaker 1: If you have heard about the murder of Jessica Chambers, 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: do not miss the new docuseries on Oxygen. It's the 3 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: true story of a teen girl, a cheerleader in Mississippi 4 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: who is burned alive and the story of the man 5 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: accused of this heinous crime. Is that the right guy 6 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: on trial? Who is he? And who is Jessica Chambers? 7 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: And how does such a horrific crime occur? With more 8 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:32,879 Speaker 1: questions than answers, this is the case that has captured 9 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 1: national headlines, taken over social media, and leaves a small 10 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 1: town divided. This is a must see TV event. It 11 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: features exclusive interviews that take you inside the investigation as 12 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 1: a search for answers and justice goes on. Unspeakable crime 13 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: The Killing of Jessica Chambers Saturdays at seven six Central 14 00:00:56,880 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 1: on Oxygen, the new network for crime crime stories with 15 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace to the man who took Molly Bush? Does 16 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: June anything to you? It's been seventeen years since Molly 17 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 1: Bish fetished. Her remains were found on a Central Massachusetts 18 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 1: mountain side. Three years later, the case remains unsolved. It's 19 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 1: an open investigation. We're constantly getting tips and leads on it. Initially, 20 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 1: Molly's disappearance wasn't thought to be an abduction. There is 21 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 1: ranged from Molly running away to being somewhere with her friends. 22 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: I don't feel like she would run away and she 23 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:43,559 Speaker 1: was gone hiding out. I didn't have that feeling. There's 24 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: pieces out there that we just need to fit together 25 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: that's going to allow us to move forward with the investigation. 26 00:01:51,840 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: Does June mean anything to you? Does June Evan two 27 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 1: thousand mean anything to you? It does to me. That 28 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:16,919 Speaker 1: is the year that we have all been looking for 29 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: Molly Bush m June. Every time June rolls around, I 30 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: think about Molly Bush, and almost every day in between. 31 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 1: Why what happened to a beautiful, beautiful young girl Molly 32 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: Bish Joining me right right now is a special guest, 33 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: Maggie Bush and her daughter Heather. I'm Nancy Grace. This 34 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. Maggie. 35 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: I can't tell you what it means to me to 36 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: get to speak to you again and to meet your 37 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: beautiful daughter Heather. Just you know, it's funny. It's funny 38 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:23,079 Speaker 1: how you never think I would never when I was little, 39 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:27,799 Speaker 1: I would never have thought, Wow, some the greatest people 40 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:31,959 Speaker 1: ever made in my life are going to be crime victims? 41 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: You know, I don't think about that when you're planning 42 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 1: your future. There's some kind of a bond between violent 43 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: crime victims that I can't really explain it. But I'll start, 44 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: Maggie with telling you. I don't know if you know 45 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 1: how many prayers go up every day about you and 46 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: Molly and your family. I'll just start with that and 47 00:03:55,440 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: then to you. It was Molly's eight to day at 48 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: a brand new job as a lifeguard. She was just sixteen. 49 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: It's a hot summer day. Do you remember that day, Maggie, Oh, 50 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:19,600 Speaker 1: how I do? Um again? We had just gotten out 51 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 1: of school. I'm a school teacher, and uh has cleaned 52 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 1: your room and I had I actually was special that teacher, 53 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 1: and I had some some U I e. Piece some 54 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 1: work to complete, and so we were all kind of 55 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: buzzing a little bit. You know. Molly had a new job, 56 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 1: my son had just trained her, and Um. I had 57 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 1: taken her to work the day before and it was 58 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: kind of a little unsettling. We had seen a car 59 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 1: that day parked in the parking lot and there was 60 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: only one white vehicle, and Molly got out and She 61 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 1: was very excited and said, by Mom, I love you, 62 00:04:57,680 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 1: see you later, you know, when just she had to 63 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: get supplies ready and go down to the beach. It 64 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 1: was the first week of the swimming lessons for the 65 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:09,799 Speaker 1: town kids. So we live in a very small community, 66 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: only four thousand folks, one traffic light, beautiful town in 67 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: the central Massachusetts. Well, Molly went off and I see 68 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 1: this vehicle on this man and he ends up kind 69 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 1: of staring at me, and I get kind of unnerved, 70 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: and I said, I can't leave Molly here. What is 71 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:29,720 Speaker 1: this guy doing here? So I head to the beach 72 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: and meet her and we sit and it is a 73 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: very lovely little place and it's kind of again it's 74 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: down a main street, but it's also kind of isolated. 75 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:44,359 Speaker 1: And we sit, we talked and I really we haven't 76 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:46,839 Speaker 1: talked a whole lot about danger, but we talked about 77 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 1: you know, I said, I noticed there's more men around maybe, 78 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:53,479 Speaker 1: and she did spots just fisherman. Mom, not concerned at all. 79 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 1: I talked about how nice the beaches, and then I said, 80 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 1: I got to get back and do my reports. So 81 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 1: I go to the car and this individual is still there. 82 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 1: I am so kind of aw starck, like, what is 83 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: he doing? He's just sitting there smoking a cigarette. There's 84 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 1: nothing to view, it's woods. And I get into my 85 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 1: car and I'm looking. I had not even taken my 86 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 1: purse before, so when I go in, I'm pretending I'm 87 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:23,280 Speaker 1: getting something, and prior to that, I'm walking and he 88 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: stares at me. And I have to tell you, it's 89 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: like a mother bear. You just want to protect your child. 90 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 1: You just said, what are you doing here? Go go 91 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:34,480 Speaker 1: to work at ten o'clock in the morning, and and 92 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: that just got me so unnerved. So when I went 93 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: to the car to get my purse, he pulled out 94 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 1: so fast that I didn't even think. I just got relieved. 95 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:46,479 Speaker 1: It was one of those immediate gut feelings. I just 96 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: was uncomfortable. And that white car still to this day, 97 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: we've never found We never found the individual who was 98 00:06:54,640 --> 00:07:00,080 Speaker 1: driving it. Our case remains unsolved. And um Anyway, the 99 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 1: next day happened. Took Molly to work the same talked 100 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: to her that night about being safe, even offered her 101 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 1: a little Kubaton stick, which my husband had as a 102 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: probation officer. She said, Mom, I don't need it. It's 103 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: just fisherman, don't worry. And that next morning, after I 104 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: drove her the work, there wasn't a single car in 105 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: the parking lot. She said goodbye, Mom, I love you, 106 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: our routine kind of farewell, and that was the last 107 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: time I ever heard my Molly. And I would have never, 108 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: ever in my wildest dreams or sadness, has imagined that 109 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 1: three hours later I would get a phone call from 110 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 1: this assistant chief of police that Molly had not been 111 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 1: at the pond all morning. Her things were left on 112 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: the beach, an open first aid kit, um, the police radio, 113 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: her shoes, and her backpack all remained on the beach, 114 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 1: and nobody knew where she was at that point. It 115 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: this was an unusual event for us. Molly was very conscientious, 116 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 1: very kind of nervous. It's a new job. They told 117 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: me she probably went with friends. I didn't. It didn't 118 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: make sense. She left her shoes, she left her backpack, 119 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 1: but she left the job at ten o'clock when she 120 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 1: just was starting. It just it makes sense at all. 121 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 1: So I called my daughter, Heather, and Heather said she 122 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 1: would meet me at the beach, and I immediately got 123 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: in my car. I went to the beach and I went, 124 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:38,319 Speaker 1: I'm still in disbelief, and I'm calling her and screaming 125 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 1: her name on the beach, Molly, Molly, and people were coming. 126 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:45,439 Speaker 1: There was no Molly, and people had said that she 127 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: hadn't been there. There had been the lifeguard all day, 128 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 1: and I knew I dropped her off. I've seen her things, 129 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 1: so I was very, very frightened. For me. The first 130 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 1: gut re action was something really wrong here. I started 131 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 1: to go toward um the police station. There comes Heather 132 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:09,680 Speaker 1: with our new ro granddaughter and we go into the 133 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: police station and I say, something's very wrong. I need 134 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 1: this chief, the assistant chief, because he called me and 135 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 1: my husband, and because he was a probation in the 136 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: local area at the local court, I said call him. 137 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 1: That's how upset I was already. I knew in my 138 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:30,719 Speaker 1: heart that this was not how Molly operated. And they 139 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: told us to go in a little room. It was 140 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 1: two young officers and they figured out that, oh, she 141 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 1: just went with friends. They weren't concerned. And that's when 142 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 1: Heather and I well that that they told you to 143 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: go in the room, and I took off looking from 144 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 1: all my friends. So I went from there and then 145 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: I went also to look for her other friend in 146 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 1: the next town that was a good friend, and she 147 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 1: was accounted for, and then I got my son returned, 148 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:02,680 Speaker 1: we returned to the beach, and when we got to 149 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 1: the beach, we were aghast. I mean, people in a 150 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 1: small town heard there's Molly was not at the beach. 151 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 1: It was on the scanners and there were people starting 152 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 1: to come. And Molly's friend's father was ahead of the 153 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: fire department and nobody I think this was the hard Partnancy. 154 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: Nobody knew. Everybody felt something, but they didn't know what 155 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: to do. And I really didn't see the priest. As 156 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 1: I got there, it was the fireman had actually entered 157 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: the pond thinking Molly drowned swimming, and that was very frightful. 158 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: They had those special dogs to determine if there was 159 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 1: a body. I mean, it was like you were now 160 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 1: really in a surreal, unbelievable place that you've never been. 161 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 1: And it's heartbreaking because you don't know where your daughter is. 162 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: Nobody knows where she is, and you're just watching this 163 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: this show progressed and it was scary and and sad, 164 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 1: and you worry what she's thinking. You don't know what 165 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:04,199 Speaker 1: Now that you have children, I know you can imagine 166 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: how hard what would your child do? And you know, 167 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 1: each child has their own personality. Molly was funny and silly, 168 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 1: and but she was also very shy and if someone 169 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: would hurt her, but she would also trust somebody because 170 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 1: she was a good kid and she had no reason 171 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: not to. You know, if they dressed like a police officer, 172 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: or they dressed and some you know, um authoritative, she 173 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 1: would go. And that's how I know that we we 174 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: looked there was no nobody had Molly, and we had 175 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 1: everybody that she was, you know, friends with, accounted for. 176 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 1: And that was really the beginning of our horrible nightmare. 177 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 1: Everyone with me is what I consider to be a 178 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 1: friend with me is Maggie Bish. This is Molly Bish's mother. 179 00:11:54,320 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: Molly goes missing one warm June morning two thousand to 180 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 1: search still on from Molly's killer. And when I hear 181 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 1: you talking, I can't help it. It takes me straight 182 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: back to when my fiance was murdered. And there's that 183 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: feeling you. I felt like a wild animal. This is 184 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 1: the only way I can describe it. I felt like 185 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 1: a wild animal that couldn't form words. I wanted to 186 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 1: break the window with my bare hands, and just how 187 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:41,959 Speaker 1: I didn't even know words to say. And I'm thinking 188 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 1: I remember one night, right before I was supposed to 189 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: go on the air, my long time makeup artist she's on, 190 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: was with me and she got a call. She had 191 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 1: her hands in my in my hair at the moment, 192 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: and put it on the speaker and her son was missing, 193 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:07,079 Speaker 1: Arlington was missing, and everything just went berserk. And I mean, 194 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: I've covered all these cases. I know what to do, 195 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 1: I know who to call, but when it happens to you, 196 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 1: it's a whole whole another can of worms. And her story. 197 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 1: He was found, thank goodness. And I'm just thinking about 198 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 1: you at that at that pond and they're looking in 199 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 1: the water and you see the first aid kid and 200 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 1: you see her shoes and everything's there, everything's right, everything 201 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 1: is present. But Molly, when did you find out what 202 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 1: happened to Molly? They took three long years before we 203 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 1: knew anything, and they were hard and it was really 204 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:59,679 Speaker 1: tough for our whole family, and families suffer. You know, 205 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: used to have um fragile fridays. If we made it 206 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 1: another week, you know, how are we doing? Checking in 207 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 1: with each other. It was tough. We didn't have small 208 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 1: children my children. My son was just in this first 209 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:15,679 Speaker 1: year of college, and how there was just had her 210 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 1: first child. So we were a little older, which in 211 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 1: some ways is easier but still very difficult, because every 212 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: age has its own difficult excepting a sibling. You're so 213 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: right about that, And there are so many phases you 214 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: go through. One when you suffer a loss. My father 215 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 1: passed away and I'm still amiss. He and I were, 216 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: I guess soul mates were just I mean, I love 217 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 1: my mother. I'm extremely close to her. I've always talked 218 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 1: to her more I guess I did my dad. But 219 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 1: he and I were just two piece in a pod, 220 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 1: and you go through It hurts me too much to 221 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: remember what I went three when Keith was murdered. But 222 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: the thing that that that phases you go through when 223 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 1: you lose somebody. But I guess I don't know what 224 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 1: I'll have to ask you because I knew almost immediately 225 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 1: who murdered Keith and what had happened to him. But 226 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: it was two thousand and three, almost to the days 227 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 1: June nine, two thousand and three, before you knew what 228 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 1: had happened to Molly. Do you remember that day? Well, 229 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 1: you know it is, Oh, I can tell you it's awful. 230 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 1: My we actually we had did the Missing Children's Day 231 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 1: May at the end of May, and we had come 232 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 1: home and John had gotten a call, my husband, and 233 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 1: he said, we have to get home. And usually I'm 234 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: saying thank you to all the people. We have two 235 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 1: bust loads of people that we take with us to Boston, 236 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 1: and so I'm very grateful. We've with flowers. We forget 237 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: me that you don't go out there. We do a big, 238 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: beautiful program. So we're coming home with all this stuff 239 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 1: and John saying get home, We're going, We're going, and 240 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 1: he was pushing me. I was getting a little agitated. 241 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: But what happened is one of the news reporters came 242 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 1: to our house and they had the pictures because somebody 243 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 1: did not believe. While how it went is there was 244 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 1: a hunter that had spotted something that he wasn't familiar with, 245 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 1: but he mentioned it to this UM person who used 246 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: to be a police officer, and so they went and 247 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 1: they were kind of on their own doing this, and 248 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 1: then I guess this this police officer didn't believe that 249 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 1: the um you know, He's afraid the police would take 250 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: credit for his fine, I guess, and so he wanted 251 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: some of them take pictures and he called them the press, 252 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 1: and the press did it, and so guess what they do. 253 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 1: They show it to us before the police even called 254 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: us and told us anything. So while I'm in my driveway, 255 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 1: and you know how in the press car like the 256 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 1: vans they have all the TVs. There's Molly's. Yeah, this 257 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 1: is how Molly's. I've seen her bathing suit in the 258 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:09,439 Speaker 1: rust in the leaves, the old leaves. And John didn't remember, 259 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:12,159 Speaker 1: you know, my husband, he you know, it's so funny. 260 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: I actually went out with her to buy this special 261 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 1: bathing suit because they didn't have the colored ones the 262 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 1: recreational person who was going to order them. So I 263 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 1: knew exactly what it was. It was a blue one, 264 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:25,479 Speaker 1: but it was a special one, and I knew right 265 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: then and there my knees almost crumbled, and I ran 266 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 1: up the stairs and to our home. And I mean 267 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 1: there was three days that I could say. And when 268 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 1: you were talking earlier, you do it's like a primal cry. 269 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: It's it's from the depths of your soul. I knew, 270 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:43,359 Speaker 1: and I didn't want it, you know, you want to 271 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 1: find Molly, but it wasn't the way we had hoped, 272 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 1: you know, and my I mean I cried and it 273 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 1: just the that was one of the worst I have 274 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 1: to say days. And I hollowed and I every piece 275 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 1: of me was spent. And you know that you say 276 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:09,639 Speaker 1: it was a special swimsuit that in the moment you 277 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 1: saw you knew what it was. What was it that 278 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:19,199 Speaker 1: you knew beyond a doubt that was Molly's swimsuit. No, 279 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 1: I really I don't know to analyze it. I think 280 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 1: it's just that I was the mother. I picked it out. 281 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 1: It was the color, and I think there was a 282 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 1: little bit. She was going to the training for the 283 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:34,919 Speaker 1: lifeguards and she needed a certain kind of you know, 284 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 1: a tank suit type, so I knew that material and 285 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 1: it was blue, but it had some you know, it 286 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:42,400 Speaker 1: had to be a little bit cool, so it had 287 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:46,159 Speaker 1: some mixed colorings in the middle of different things. And 288 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 1: I've seen it. I knew, I just knew. And you know, again, 289 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 1: they had to send the police in, they had to 290 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 1: send the such party and they had and I mean 291 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 1: that began a really another whole experience because the first day, 292 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,160 Speaker 1: they came home with one bone, you know, or yeah, 293 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:05,439 Speaker 1: it was a shidden bone, but it could possibly be 294 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 1: someone in Molly's age range. The next day they had 295 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: ripped bones, and then by the third day they had 296 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: her skull. I mean, what mother, see, you know, we 297 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 1: actually did say goodbye to Molly and kissed goodbye, but 298 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 1: we only had twenty four bones that were found. But 299 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: because of that, we were able to get her dental records, 300 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 1: you know, so that's they had to certainly make sure 301 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:33,200 Speaker 1: it was Molly's and I think that was the only 302 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 1: way we were able to They were able to say 303 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: the police, but I knew, you know, and it was 304 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 1: just confirmed what happened to a beautiful, beautiful young girl, 305 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: Molly Bish. Heather Bish is Molly's sister. Heather. What do 306 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 1: you recall of this time? Well, I think, you know, again, 307 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 1: it was still that it couldn't be possible that Molly 308 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:04,160 Speaker 1: was abducted at you know, I thought in the beginning 309 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 1: that it had to be a mistake, and you know, 310 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 1: sort of the same thing that this this company, right, 311 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 1: there's there's got to be an explanation for this. And 312 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:16,159 Speaker 1: then as the moments in time kept passing, and Molly 313 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:19,199 Speaker 1: didn't pop out in if anywhere. You know, that's when 314 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 1: we realized her her peril. She was, she was in 315 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 1: a great feel of Carol. So you know, we became 316 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 1: increasingly anxious. I think when even when we found the 317 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:30,679 Speaker 1: bathing suit for me, you know, I think it just 318 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 1: kind of just hold on to hope, like I don't know, 319 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,680 Speaker 1: maybe maybe he stripped her and through the bathing suit 320 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 1: in the woods or or something. We just want, I 321 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 1: want to believe something as terrible as as her loss 322 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:46,119 Speaker 1: isn't isn't going to be what what the final end 323 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 1: of the story is. And for me, I can remember 324 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 1: the day that the state police actually came up to 325 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 1: the house on June nine, when when they did find 326 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 1: lest go because people were coming over to my mom's 327 00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 1: house every day and I had been living in in 328 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: Western mass at the time and driving out every morning 329 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 1: with my three year old, and it was about a 330 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 1: forty five minute drive and for a three year old 331 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 1: to have to go potty all the time, that's like 332 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 1: two potty stuff. Never never an easy, easy trip. But 333 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 1: we were doing that daily to to um ensure that 334 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:20,919 Speaker 1: we were we were all together. And I remember we 335 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:23,239 Speaker 1: had just gotten there on June ninth, and there are 336 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 1: people in the driveway and my mom was talking and UM. 337 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 1: In the distance, I could see the district attorney and 338 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 1: the head of our investigation, UM walking up the driveway 339 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 1: and they were wearing suits, and it was, you know, 340 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:39,680 Speaker 1: the beginning of June, and I was thinking, jeez, it's 341 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:41,919 Speaker 1: a real, really a hot day to be wearing a 342 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 1: full suit like that. And then I just I just knew. 343 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: I thought, I just knew, like this is it, this 344 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 1: is this is the final they're gonna tell us now, 345 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:56,120 Speaker 1: you know what's interesting that you're saying. And I had 346 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 1: to keep projecting, but what you're saying is striking so 347 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,360 Speaker 1: many core send me you just when you saw those 348 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 1: guys in the suits, you knew and I'm just really, 349 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 1: I just I just really wanted to run away, to 350 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: be honest with you, I didn't even want to hear 351 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 1: what they were going to going to say. I just 352 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 1: thought if I could run, I would be able to 353 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 1: outrun the truth or the reality or you know. It 354 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 1: just felt like everything's going to change now, our whole life. 355 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 1: Everything we feel again that you your mind tries to 356 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,679 Speaker 1: get around it or or or bend with it, because 357 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,679 Speaker 1: I remember I would wake up in the mornings and 358 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: I would think that Keith was still alive and this 359 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:48,639 Speaker 1: had been some elaborate roos, and I would dream. I 360 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 1: would dream and this is so I don't know exactly 361 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 1: what this means, because I never saw a shrink about it. 362 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 1: Probably should. I would dream that Keith wanted to get 363 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: out of the gay she meant, and so he had 364 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 1: thanked the whole thing, because you know, this close to 365 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:10,400 Speaker 1: us getting married, he had decided that in my dream, 366 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,680 Speaker 1: and I'd wake up and I get, God, he's a 367 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 1: live and it's just you know, And then I would 368 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:21,879 Speaker 1: have I would have dreams that Molly was still alive, 369 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: but she would be you know, she would have gone 370 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 1: off with her friends to Florida, or she went on 371 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 1: you know, she went on a trip and she was 372 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 1: just back and she was going to see her old boyfriend. 373 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,399 Speaker 1: And I'd be I remember in the dreams, feeling like, no, 374 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 1: you can't go on. I'm definately want to be with 375 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:39,879 Speaker 1: you and hang out with you. And generally that's not 376 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:43,199 Speaker 1: how twenty year old to feel about their teenage sisters. 377 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:47,400 Speaker 1: So I've always sort of thought about those dreams later 378 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 1: now in life and thought, she's you know, maybe Molly 379 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,199 Speaker 1: was trying to tell me in some capacity that she 380 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 1: was okay, you know, and it was just me feeling 381 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 1: this desperate feeling. Listen to this to the man who 382 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: took Molly dish. Does June two thousand mean anything to you? 383 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 1: I remember it as a warm summer day. We left home, 384 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 1: we picked up the police radio, and then we arrived 385 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 1: at the pond. The sand truck was there. We watched, 386 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 1: mesmerized like little children as the sand fell gently to 387 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 1: the ground. Molly and mom for the last time. Molly 388 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:27,119 Speaker 1: said goodbye, I love you, and man off. It was 389 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,879 Speaker 1: her eighth day on her new job as a lifeguard. 390 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 1: That was the last time I saw or heard for 391 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 1: my Molly. I have held those words wrapped around my 392 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 1: heart to sustain it from breaking into a million broken pieces. 393 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 1: It's been seventeen years since Molly bish vanished. Her remains 394 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 1: were found on a central Massachusetts mountain side three years later. 395 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 1: The case remains unsolved. It's an open investigation. We're constantly 396 00:24:56,760 --> 00:25:00,920 Speaker 1: getting tips and leads on it. Were moving forward and 397 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: going through the beginning to know we started talking to 398 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 1: some of the original investigators just bring them in as 399 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 1: a group, and we also have a disc attorney assigned 400 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 1: to the case. So they came in and we just 401 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 1: started going over there observations that notes their feelings, you know, 402 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,679 Speaker 1: things like that Maggie Bish could never imagine a moment 403 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 1: that she'd never see her daughter Molly. Ever. Again, Molly 404 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 1: could be very shy and she could be very silly. 405 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,160 Speaker 1: There was two sides of her in her comfort zone. 406 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:35,639 Speaker 1: She was silly like Lucy, I mean, goofy silly. We 407 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 1: were just beginning our adult relationship when Molly disappeared, so 408 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 1: I often wonder what that would have been like to 409 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,879 Speaker 1: have known her as an adult with me. Is Maggie Bish, 410 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 1: This is Molly Bish's mother. Molly goes missing one warm 411 00:25:52,840 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 1: June morning, two the search still on from My Life's Killer. 412 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 1: And I'm trying to imagine your your v you know, 413 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 1: you pull up and you at a distance see all 414 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 1: these guys and suits and your driveway, and I'm trying 415 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 1: to imagine what, Maggie, what that What that was? When 416 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 1: press a van pulls up and they run up what 417 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,920 Speaker 1: what did they have a picture of her swimsuit? Maggie, Well, 418 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,239 Speaker 1: you know what I guess this. Like I said, this 419 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 1: person didn't believe it. So they had six TVs going on. 420 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,440 Speaker 1: There were six TVs in that van, and there was 421 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 1: every vantage point that they could take the picture. I 422 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,640 Speaker 1: mean it truly was a small piece of bathing suit 423 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: that was peeking count from underneath twigs and old leaves, 424 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:52,639 Speaker 1: and it was just taking in different rooms views and 425 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,680 Speaker 1: I mean it didn't take me a second to gather 426 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 1: that information, you know, men, no seconds. Tonight. I ran 427 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,439 Speaker 1: up upstairs because I knew that closed my door in 428 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,120 Speaker 1: my room and I began to howl. I was on 429 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 1: my knees, and you know, John was down there talking 430 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 1: and I just like for this the ending, because again 431 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:15,200 Speaker 1: we had justted missing Children's Day for the folks from Massachusetts. 432 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 1: It was a beautiful day of great We were coming 433 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:21,439 Speaker 1: home feeling at least we're doing something positive, and you know, 434 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 1: we always will miss Molly, that's what we But to 435 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:28,120 Speaker 1: see this was it was too close to knowing that 436 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,119 Speaker 1: this was not good. When we talk about violent crime, 437 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,880 Speaker 1: it's almost as if we're drinking from a fire hydrant. 438 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 1: It's just too much, too fast, too furious. 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It's a musty TV event 448 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:20,160 Speaker 1: with exclusive interviews that take you inside the investigation as 449 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 1: a search for answers and justice goes on. Don't miss it. 450 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:30,360 Speaker 1: It is unspeakable crime. The killing on Jessica Chambers Saturday's 451 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 1: seven six Central on Oxygen. The new network for Crime 452 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 1: with Me is Maggie Bish. This is Molly Bish's mother. 453 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 1: Molly goes missing one warm June morning, two thousand. The 454 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 1: search still on for Molly's killer. We are now hearing 455 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 1: rumblings that do d N a d ox riba nicle 456 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 1: like acid tests are storrying little seeds of hope. But 457 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 1: what do you know about a potential DNA test? You 458 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 1: want to talk. Sure, I UM have been sort of 459 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 1: headlining the investigative efforts with for my family. But about 460 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 1: a year ago they took and every so often they'll 461 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 1: take pieces of evidence and and submit them for DNA 462 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 1: testing and they'll try to compare it when they have 463 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 1: a few years ago, they had a really I don't 464 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 1: quote unquote good person of interest UM down in Florida 465 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 1: and they you know, had taken some DNA from there 466 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 1: and submitted it and then nothing was sort of a hit. UM. 467 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 1: So as so I guess our hope sort of lies 468 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 1: in the science and technology that you know, sort of 469 00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 1: helping investigators solve these older cases. And UM. So last 470 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: year they took twenty four pieces of evidence UM to 471 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 1: retest and so they don't exactly tell us what what 472 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 1: they took or where it came from, but we know 473 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 1: it was twenty four pieces of evidence UM and they 474 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 1: resubmitted them for further testing. You know, as they, like 475 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 1: I said, that the technology increases in the touch DNA 476 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 1: becomes available, UM, they will continuously keep keep resubmitting for 477 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 1: particularly these older cases because they've had they've been able 478 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 1: to UM you know self cases based on this DNA. 479 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 1: I mean The seeds of hope are that DNA samples 480 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 1: have been taken and they're being re examined with new 481 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 1: techniques that were not possible at that time. I mean 482 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,480 Speaker 1: that is a huge, big deal because I at all 483 00:30:55,920 --> 00:31:00,080 Speaker 1: trying rape cases, murder cases, you name it, with no O, 484 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 1: d N A, you know what I'd have. I'd have blood, 485 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 1: blood sample and I could say, well, the suspect is 486 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 1: a positive and the perpetrator was a positive. That was it. 487 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 1: Or maybe a hair and I could say the rapist 488 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 1: or the killer is a Caucasian male with ex hair. 489 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 1: I mean, that was it. There was no nuclear or 490 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 1: mitochondrial touch nothing. So this is a major development that 491 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 1: they are doing this. I want to ask you about 492 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 1: this UM deep ground sonar test that's being done. What 493 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 1: do we know about that? Yeah, so we you know, 494 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 1: over the years, we've you know, because law enforcement is uh, 495 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 1: you know, they sort of work on their own and 496 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 1: and and you know, they don't necessarily report to victim families. 497 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:03,040 Speaker 1: That can become very frustrating from victor families. UM And 498 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 1: because we you know, I felt very strongly that we 499 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,480 Speaker 1: wanted this to be solved. We wanted our community to 500 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 1: feel safe. We wanted our friends kids to feel safe. 501 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 1: You know, we've we've all grown up here where you know, 502 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,480 Speaker 1: and and some capacity family to each other. What do 503 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:22,640 Speaker 1: you think they hope to find heather with a ground 504 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 1: penetrating radar and it's on a private property in an 505 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:32,960 Speaker 1: undisclosed location in Worcester County? What? What could that mean? 506 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 1: What was that where the swimsuit was found, Maggie in 507 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 1: Worcester County? No, No, it was where we received it. 508 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 1: A So, so I'm just trying to put the back 509 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:50,960 Speaker 1: story here. We UM some friends in the area, uh 510 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 1: person who has a PhD in criminology, and I sort 511 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 1: of formed this sort of investigated team. It kind of 512 00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 1: came off to our fundraisers and things like that. We 513 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 1: developed this little team. This little team developed these UM campaigns. 514 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,720 Speaker 1: So one year we did UM billboards, another year we 515 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 1: did ads. Each time we do one, we do a 516 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 1: tip campaign. And so we had a just one Piece 517 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 1: campaign because the state police that always said we're one 518 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 1: piece away from solving this crime. During our just one 519 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 1: Piece campaign, we received a number of tips on a 520 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 1: particular person who stayed at this particular campground in Worcester County. UM. 521 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 1: This next year we had another campaign. We called it 522 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 1: just One Car because we were trying to identify this 523 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 1: light car. Was it tied to this person? That the 524 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 1: location question? So let me understand, the location is the 525 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 1: campground where a potential suspect stayed. Okay, got it. And 526 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 1: what do you think, Maggie, they are looking for with 527 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 1: the d ground search. Well, I understand that it has 528 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 1: the potential to be able to recognize metal or rock 529 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:14,000 Speaker 1: or anything, and especially if there was something of some size. 530 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 1: You know, bearing a car is quite big. You know, 531 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,440 Speaker 1: how deep could they go? So this radar has a 532 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 1: way to analyze how that the depths and how significant 533 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:29,040 Speaker 1: that um, you know, if it's metal or something that 534 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,239 Speaker 1: you know, I guess that's what they do. They do 535 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:36,520 Speaker 1: some kind of a you know, computation and it determines. 536 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,600 Speaker 1: So from what we understand, there were three places that 537 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:46,319 Speaker 1: they felt some interest. Now, you know, again they have 538 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,400 Speaker 1: to hand that information over to the state police, and 539 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 1: the state police have to you know, decide if it's 540 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:56,919 Speaker 1: worth digging or going into. Now again, it could be 541 00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:00,920 Speaker 1: it's like this whole story again. You always get hopeful, 542 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,399 Speaker 1: but you have to kind of protect yourself from disappointment 543 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,319 Speaker 1: you've got. You know, you don't really you want it, 544 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:12,480 Speaker 1: but you're scared. The emotional battle within is unbelievable because 545 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,560 Speaker 1: you've been doing this so much long now that you wanted, 546 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,160 Speaker 1: but we don't get to choose any of it, you know. 547 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:29,279 Speaker 1: So it's Maggie that other girls similar in age to 548 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:34,000 Speaker 1: Molly also were kidnapped. Yes, we have a girl that 549 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:38,879 Speaker 1: was ten years old, a little bit younger, um in Sturbridge, 550 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,879 Speaker 1: which is a twenty minute uh a distance from our home, 551 00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:47,560 Speaker 1: and she was taken before Molly, maybe seven years. There 552 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:51,239 Speaker 1: had been some cases or maybe even a little older 553 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:55,359 Speaker 1: that we're in northern Michigan and Massachusetts near the New 554 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,239 Speaker 1: York border, and there was a gentleman that they thought 555 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:02,759 Speaker 1: was a serial killer there that might have that involved. 556 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,480 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's so sad. I mean, you 557 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,880 Speaker 1: hear these horrible cases, but you don't understand them. And 558 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:15,319 Speaker 1: certainly I wasn't one that you know, really understood any 559 00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,719 Speaker 1: of this. You know, now I know all these families 560 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:22,600 Speaker 1: who have struggled and who keep struggling, you know, to 561 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,600 Speaker 1: find their loved ones on how they deal with it, 562 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:29,240 Speaker 1: and it is very very hard. So you know, again 563 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:33,160 Speaker 1: there possibly could be serial killer out there, and that's 564 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:37,279 Speaker 1: what worried us because this to me, honestly, Nancy, how 565 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:41,480 Speaker 1: does a normal person do something this horrific? And that 566 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,279 Speaker 1: is so It's like when you throw the rock into 567 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,200 Speaker 1: the river and the ripples. It has caused so much 568 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:51,640 Speaker 1: pain to Molly's friends, our family, out into the community, 569 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:57,240 Speaker 1: the fear that he's somewhere. Please write this number down 570 00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:04,399 Speaker 1: eight seven seven two nine eight five one toll free 571 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:10,000 Speaker 1: eight seven seven to nine eight five one five five 572 00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:19,880 Speaker 1: one day this case will be solved. Molly bish still 573 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:27,720 Speaker 1: on our minds, still in our hearts. Maggie Heather, thank you, guys, 574 00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:33,160 Speaker 1: thank you. I can't thank you enough. And you will 575 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,800 Speaker 1: always be one of my most special people in the world. 576 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:40,320 Speaker 1: And I appreciate it so much and and you're helping 577 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:44,600 Speaker 1: so many people and you're still continuing. And from my Molly, 578 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:49,920 Speaker 1: we thank you with all our Nancy Grace crib Story 579 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,320 Speaker 1: signing off, goodbye friend.