1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:21,279 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 2 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford. He is the one and only 3 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: west Hodkowitz. We're coming to you here from our studios 4 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: at lambeau Field and Weston. Shortly after we get done 5 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: taping this show, we've got a head to the airport 6 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 1: and catch a plane for Winnipeg. We're off to Canada. 7 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 1: Don't say that one every day. Yeah, I don't know 8 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: if we'll ever say it again. But Packers third preseason 9 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: game against the Oakland Raiders at the Winnipeg Blue Bombers 10 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: Football Stadium. Right field, Yeah, I G field, Um a 11 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: CFL excuse me, CFL field for the Blue Bombers. But 12 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:04,839 Speaker 1: real quickly as we get rolling preseason game number three, 13 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: it's not really quite the same as preseason games number 14 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 1: three of the past. Aaron Rodgers still t b d 15 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: ist whether or not he will play and play at 16 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: all in this preseason. But who do you have your 17 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 1: eye on heading into this one? You know what is 18 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: funny before we even get into that. Back in the day, 19 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: I know again you're big Matten player. I was too 20 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: when you would simulate the franchise mode the third preseason game. 21 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 1: I think they always had the starters playing three quarters 22 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: in that game. John even talked about it when we 23 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: did our three Things video on Tuesday about how you 24 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: know the game has changed in that regard so well. 25 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: It isn't the three or the third preseason game in 26 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 1: the past. It's the third preseason game we have now. 27 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: So you're gonna get a chance for probably a series 28 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: or two to see the starters one last time. Now, 29 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 1: whether or not Aaron Rodgers is on the field, that's 30 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 1: still up in the air, but you're going to see 31 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: the starting offensive line. You're gonna see Mike Patton's defense 32 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: there again. So when I talk about and when I 33 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: look at who is my player to watch, I've said 34 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: it on three different videos and an insider Inbox, it's 35 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: Aaron Jones because I just look at where the Packers 36 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: run game has been at and I put this line 37 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: in inbox for Thursday. The narrative right now is that 38 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 1: it's been off to a slow start on the ground. 39 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 1: Aaron Jones can flip that on its head with one run. 40 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: He's that talented, he's that explosive, and Mike, we have 41 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: wasted so much breath and energy and words talking about 42 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: him and Jamal Williams and Matt Lafleur's offense. I'm excited 43 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 1: to almost be at a point that we can finally 44 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: see it because I think it's going to be dynamic 45 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,639 Speaker 1: and assuming. I don't know if it will be this Thursday, 46 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 1: but if they can get Danny Vitally back in this 47 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:43,119 Speaker 1: next week, and the compliment that these guys offer each 48 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: other in terms of pass catchers, in terms of past protection. 49 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: We saw Aaron Jones some of the strides he's made 50 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:51,679 Speaker 1: in pass pro this camp. It's not just about the 51 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: explosive gains out of the backfield. It's how those players 52 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 1: can be utilized in the entire construct of the offense. 53 00:02:57,520 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: That's what I'm excited to see, and we're probably gonna 54 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: see it for a series. Aaron Jones up in Canada. Yeah. 55 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 1: Matt Lafleur did confirm that Jones would play a series 56 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 1: or two, emphasizing that treating him a little bit differently 57 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:11,639 Speaker 1: in his thought process than Aaron Rodgers, and that when 58 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 1: there isn't contact through the spring, there isn't full contact 59 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 1: in training camp. A running back the whole ball security thing. 60 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: You just need to get hit a couple of times, 61 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 1: you know, before you get into a game that counts 62 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: and and take that first real hit and that first 63 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: real tackle. But I also want to talk about a 64 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 1: couple of other guys who are slated anyway as far 65 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: as we know, to make their preseason debuts for this year. 66 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: One of them is second year cornerback Josh Jackson, the 67 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: second round pick from last year out of Iowa. Now 68 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: we've spent a lot of time obviously talking about the 69 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: cornerback position. Kevin King's still sideline with a hamstring injury. 70 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: We've seen Tony Brown step up and do some things. 71 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 1: We've seen Kedar Holman as well, but now Holman is 72 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: out with a stinger and most likely not playing this week. 73 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: Josh Jackson has been brought back kind of slowly, I 74 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: guess you might say, from the foot injury that sidelined 75 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: him the first couple of weeks of training camp. But 76 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: he has been in eleven on eleven. He actually was 77 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 1: in some eleven on eleven as a nickelback with the 78 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 1: Ones for a few snaps in practice this week. So 79 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: that is a sign that he's going to get in 80 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: there and uh and show what he can do and 81 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: and frankly, he's kind of been a little bit of 82 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:26,720 Speaker 1: a forgotten guy in this in this cornerback competition because 83 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: we've seen so much of those other guys and then 84 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 1: he was out with that foot injury and just now 85 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: trying to get back into things. The timing was unfortunate 86 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 1: for a second year player. Now, it's never a good 87 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 1: time to miss practice or miss training camps, but that 88 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 1: first few weeks, Mike, that's when you're installing the defense 89 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: for the second time. They do it the first time 90 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 1: during the off season program and O T a s 91 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: in minicamp, but that second time is starting to be 92 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: your your final run through, so to speak, before you 93 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: start scheming, and for him to miss that, certainly, there 94 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 1: are the mental reps and there are those type of 95 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: things that you can draw from. But let's be honest. 96 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 1: I think one of the reasons why Tony Brown has 97 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:01,679 Speaker 1: come on the way he has and can dark Holman 98 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 1: has come on in the shape that he has is 99 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:06,280 Speaker 1: because they've been taking those first team reps. They've been 100 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: in there with Adrian Amos, with Darnielle Savage since he's returned, 101 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 1: with Trumon Williams. Those key veteran communicators and Amos and 102 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 1: Williams standpoint that are going to be critical for those 103 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: nickel and dime packages. Jackson has gotten back on the field, 104 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 1: He has reacclimated himself to uh those team drills. The 105 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:25,919 Speaker 1: only thing missing at this point is getting back in 106 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 1: the regular season game. I think you and I both 107 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:30,720 Speaker 1: probably you know, don't even really think about it, but 108 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 1: Josh Jackson started ten games for this team last year. 109 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: He played a lot of all they need him as well. 110 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: You and I have said this countless times, especially if 111 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 1: Kevin King is dealing with this hamstring issue right now. 112 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 1: They need Josh Jackson to be a second round pick 113 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 1: that steps up and plays well. And this is gonna 114 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:50,600 Speaker 1: be a really good litmus test for him, assuming he's 115 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: out on the field on Thursday night, to start building 116 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:55,720 Speaker 1: that confidence back up and showing he can be a 117 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 1: rotational part of this defense. Yeah. I mean, we've talked 118 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 1: about it before West in this day in a in 119 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 1: the NFL, as you're constructing the fifty three man roster, 120 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 1: you want to have a solid half dozen cornerbacks that 121 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: a defensive coordinator, that a position coach feels confident that 122 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 1: they can step in and play because there are a 123 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 1: lot of times you're gonna have four cornerbacks on the field, 124 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: and it doesn't take much from an injury standpoint before 125 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:22,479 Speaker 1: you're tapping into number five and number six to be 126 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: able to to keep your full complement of defensive packages 127 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: and be able to call what you want to call 128 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: uh forgiven game situations. So all of these guys, whether 129 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: you're talking about King and Holman getting back from their injuries, 130 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:38,479 Speaker 1: or Jackson getting into some preseason action and what Tony 131 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: Brown has done alongside Jaire Alexander, all of the all 132 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:44,719 Speaker 1: of these guys are going to have a place in 133 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 1: Mike Patton's defense. I just don't see any other way around. No, 134 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 1: they definitely will. And we talked so much about the corners, 135 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 1: and rightfully so, but it does go into the safety 136 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 1: position as well, because right now, Will Redmond is a 137 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: kind of a hybrid between a corner in a safety. 138 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 1: Natrelle Jamerson plays bolt spot. Candon Sullivan has gotten a 139 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:04,039 Speaker 1: lot of reps as a as an outside perimeter corner. 140 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 1: This is gonna be critical timing for them too, because 141 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 1: maybe you're keeping one of those guys when it shuffles 142 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 1: down to it because who's going to be that sixth 143 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 1: fifth cornerback or fourth you know, safety, or a guy 144 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: that could play both spots and be a special team 145 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: or there are so many question marks still to be 146 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: answered there because, as you just said, a year ago, 147 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: at this time, Mike, I didn't know who Tony Brown was. 148 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 1: Tony Brown wasn't on this roster, and then he starts 149 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: four games for this defense in this secondary plays an 150 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 1: eleven contest for the Packers. So these are all the 151 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: type of things and variables that you have to take 152 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 1: into account when you're heading into a season, not just 153 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: JayR Alexander and Tremont Williams and who's gonna be your 154 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: front line, but who are going to be those guys 155 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 1: that you're gonna be developing and counting on should an 156 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: injury arise mid season. Yeah, no question, I bought it. Well. 157 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: Another guy who's going to be making his preseason debut 158 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: for nineteen more of a veteran player, fourth year receiver 159 00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 1: Trevor Davis. And we've talked a little bit about him 160 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 1: in that through the spring and the opening part of 161 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 1: training camp, I thought he was off to a fantastic start. 162 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: He was putting the hamstring trouble and everything that derailed 163 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 1: his season behind him. But then that first joint practice 164 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: with the Houston Texans, he took what quite honestly was 165 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 1: an unnecessary hit in a special teams drill gave him 166 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: a stinger. Um. Now he feels like he's fighting this 167 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: injury prone label, which I don't think is necessarily fair 168 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 1: given that he was pretty healthy his first two years. 169 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 1: Yesen was a lost season to injury, and what happened 170 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: the thing with the Texans was just a freak accident. 171 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 1: It wasn't anything of where he's not taking care of 172 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 1: his body and whatnot. But regardless, in his absence, he 173 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: misses about two weeks worth of training camp. We've seen 174 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: Darius Shephard Alanzard raised their profiles in this receiver competition. 175 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 1: Trevor Davis gets back on the practice fields Sunday on Monday. 176 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 1: I thought he really really shined in practice. He was 177 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 1: taking the ball on end around and he was taken 178 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: shovel passes, He ran a deep route, made a great 179 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,679 Speaker 1: catch on a deep ball from Tim Boyle, showing all 180 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 1: the different facets in which he can be involved in 181 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 1: this offense and and the plan. Um that the Packers 182 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:15,079 Speaker 1: seem to be revealing in the spring for how they 183 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 1: wanted to use him. But this competition is pretty stiff 184 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 1: and he doesn't have any in game preseason snaps on 185 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 1: film yet. This is his opportunity to do that. And 186 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:29,559 Speaker 1: as I've written about on our website and a story 187 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 1: here on Davis heading into this game, he's ready to 188 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 1: state his case and he has to do it now. Yeah. 189 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 1: The one tragedy I think with Trevor Davis, and this 190 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 1: is not a dig on Mike mccarthur, Tom Clements or anybody. 191 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 1: You almost kind of wish he would come into the 192 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: league now with Matt Lafleur than he did four years ago. 193 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 1: And the reason I say that is because it just 194 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: seems like, out of anyone maybe on the offensive side 195 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: of the ball, this offense is probably tailored his skill 196 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 1: set enough, with the motioning, with the misdirection, the bunch formations. 197 00:09:57,320 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: He's not a traditional slot receiver. He actually plays a 198 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:01,959 Speaker 1: lot on the perimeter, so there's different ways that you 199 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 1: can use him off screens of that nature. I just 200 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 1: think that this offseason, going back to we were talking 201 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 1: about this durn O t a s it just seems 202 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: like he's so much more comfortable with what he's being 203 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 1: asked to do right now, and it was it was 204 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 1: really tragic that the situation happened that he got hurt 205 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 1: when he did, because he was off to a great start. 206 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 1: I thought. I thought he was playing tremendous football in practice. 207 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 1: And the other dimension that you have to keep in 208 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 1: mind when you think about Trevor Davis and you start 209 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 1: to figure out your fifty three and your depth chart, 210 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: Davis is a kickoff return or he's a punt return 211 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 1: and he's a receiver, but as I talked to him 212 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: about his locker, he's also arguably their best gunner on 213 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: punt coverage. He's a guy who plays the front line 214 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 1: on kickoff coverage. His body type when he's healthy, lends 215 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: itself to a core four player. UM that's gonna go 216 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: a long way. And the thing that Davis needs to 217 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 1: do now is he needs to make some of those 218 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: catches in the preseason that we've seen in practice. He 219 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 1: needs to maybe pop a big return kind of like 220 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 1: Shepard did with the at six yarder in Baltimore and 221 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 1: show that I can be a complete player and I 222 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:06,439 Speaker 1: can be someone that pushes not only for a spot 223 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 1: on the forty six to be a special teamer, but 224 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: also a guy that can be counted on in the 225 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 1: receiver rotation. Davis has shown everything you wanted to see 226 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: from a young guy. He just needs to do it 227 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:18,079 Speaker 1: in a game. Now. Yeah, I want to pass along 228 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 1: kind of a moment of enlightenment for me from the 229 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 1: conversation that Davis had at his locker with reporters this week, 230 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: because he was talking about the deep ball he caught 231 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:30,719 Speaker 1: from Tim Boyle where the ball was a little bit underthrown, 232 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: so he had to slow up and a couple of 233 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 1: defenders are converging. He waited until the last possible second 234 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: and he put his hands out and he kept his 235 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: hands down low and let the ball fall into them. Now, 236 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 1: that's a technique that we've talked about before. It's called 237 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: late hands. If you, as a receiver put your hands 238 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 1: out too early, you're just giving the defender a chance. 239 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 1: You're telling him the timing and giving him a chance 240 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: to get his hands in the way and deflect the ball. 241 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 1: So that's a technique that receivers use a lot. What 242 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: I didn't realize is that Davis actually developed that tech 243 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: that technique as a punt returner because he says he 244 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 1: needs to use late hands as a punt returner because 245 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: he doesn't want to give the gunners who are coming 246 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: to try to lay him out the timing of when 247 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,680 Speaker 1: the ball is actually going to arrive, because they're reading 248 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 1: that as well. So he's waiting for the ball to 249 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 1: come down and then the hands come out at the 250 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:25,079 Speaker 1: last second. Um, excuse me, I'm losing my voice a 251 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: little bit here, But I found that I found that 252 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 1: somewhat fascinating in a way. I hadn't even thought of that, 253 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:34,319 Speaker 1: that whole late hands technique being used as a return 254 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: man on special teams, because you know, that's one of 255 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: the most fearless jobs out there on the field, is 256 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 1: is punt returner. And he he kind of joked about 257 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 1: it about, you know, not wanting those gunners to to 258 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 1: smack him around, but it's the reality of what he 259 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 1: has to face, and he's developed that technique and he 260 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: uses it both as a receiver and a return That 261 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 1: was the fun part of that conversation was that you 262 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: hear Davante Adams talk about all the time, and that's 263 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 1: a technique situation that's to be able to execute a 264 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: play to catch a pass. Trevor Davis is using that 265 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 1: to keep gunners from laying him out. As you said, 266 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 1: I mean, that's a survival instinct. So think about how 267 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 1: you can incorporate that into the passing game when it's more. 268 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 1: I don't want to call it a benefit or extra credit, 269 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 1: but it's a technique that you can use to have 270 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 1: a successful offensive play rather than just protecting yourself from 271 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:23,559 Speaker 1: a potential hit. Uh. The other thing I want to 272 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 1: ask you too, because someone asked me an inbox. You know, 273 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 1: last year we talked so much about Grono Allison's catch 274 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 1: from Aaron Rodgers, the no look pass. Somebody put me 275 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: on the spot and asked, what do you think is that? 276 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 1: Maybe not that type of play, but what what sticks 277 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 1: with you the most when you think about, you know, 278 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:41,679 Speaker 1: the big play this year's camp. I'm definitely going to 279 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,079 Speaker 1: be a victim of recency bias here, but the boil 280 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: to Davis catches up there. I don't know if it's 281 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:49,959 Speaker 1: the one, but when you take into account the double coverage, 282 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: the technique he had to use to pull that in, 283 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 1: and then also the presence of mind to catch the ball. 284 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 1: You see guys tied together three or four of those elements, 285 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: but then they don't bring in the football. You just 286 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: move on to the next plane. Every one kind of 287 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 1: forgets about it. Davis completed the catch. He did that 288 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 1: after coming back from the stinger. Honestly, those are the 289 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:07,599 Speaker 1: type of things that I think the coaching staff. I 290 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: don't want to speak for them, but you want to 291 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 1: see from a guy that's been out for two weeks, 292 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,319 Speaker 1: and you know, maybe you want to prove that what 293 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: he did the first week or so it wasn't a fluke. Yeah, 294 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: I mean Matt Lafleur called Monday's practice for Trevor Davis 295 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: very encouraging, was the word that he used, and then 296 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 1: and then flat out said I'm excited to see what 297 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 1: he's going to do in a game. Well, here we are, 298 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 1: this game coming up against the Raiders, A couple other 299 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 1: things here with this third preseason game, West, I think 300 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 1: we're going to finally get to the end of this 301 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 1: competition at left guard between Lane Taylor and rookie second 302 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: round pick Elton Jenkins. I think you and I both know, 303 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 1: having been on the beat, we know how to watch 304 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 1: practice that when the Packers returned to the practice field 305 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 1: on Sunday. The first snap that the number one offensive 306 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 1: line is on the field, I think that's going to 307 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 1: tell us who won the competition, because we're heading into 308 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 1: the fourth week of the preseason and we know the 309 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: preseason playing time in the game against the Chiefs will 310 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 1: be very different. So I think the competition ends with 311 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 1: this Raiders game. So far, Lane Taylor, for the vast 312 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: majority of the time has been the first, has taken 313 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 1: the first reps at left guard. But there's been no 314 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: winner declared in this competition yet. So do you see 315 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 1: that the same way in that this is sort of 316 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: where the competition ends and the decision is going to 317 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 1: be made over the weekend. I would traditionally agree with 318 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: you on that. This year, I'm going to disagree with 319 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 1: you only because of what happened last year, which is 320 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 1: where Justin McCray started at right guard because Brian Bulaga 321 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 1: was coming back from the a c L. They wanted 322 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: blogging to have those reps, so they played in that 323 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 1: last game against the Chiefs. I forgot about that. So 324 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 1: I think it's possible, based on how they've divvied up 325 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: those reps in the snaps that Taylor has taken with 326 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 1: the two's at times. I think it's entirely in the 327 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 1: fact that he actually started the first game against Houston 328 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 1: when none of the other starting offensive line played. I 329 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 1: think it is possible that it leaks into next week. 330 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 1: That being said, I would be very curious if it 331 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 1: still ends up being Taylor. But if they play a 332 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 1: second series, then you see Jenkins comes in. I could 333 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 1: see that being a situation. But to your original point, 334 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 1: the underlying message there, I do believe you kind of 335 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 1: have to figure out which way you want to go 336 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 1: with this thing. Though it's great that Jenkins is getting 337 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 1: those snaps, but Lane Taylor, now, uh, you know, when 338 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: you look at what he's brought to that position, the 339 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 1: comfort level he's had with David back tr two guys 340 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 1: that came into the league together in two Thousan. Jenkins 341 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 1: is a young guy, He's very athletic, but Taylor also 342 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: gives you some of those intangibles that you look for 343 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 1: when you talk about solidifying your offensive line. The encouraging 344 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 1: thing for me with Jenkins is I thought he's shined 345 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 1: throughout the preseason, whether it's been at the guard position, 346 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 1: whether it's been rotating in its center. He did have 347 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: a couple holding calls last week, one of which one 348 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: of one one of which Matt Floor said wasn't even 349 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: on him, it was, you know, on a different player. 350 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 1: I just I'm really encouraged by it. I guess we're 351 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: gonna have to wait and see. It will tell you 352 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:05,120 Speaker 1: something though. If it is obviously still Lane Taylor going 353 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 1: out there first on Thursday night, He's still the incumbent, 354 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 1: right the burden of proof is on Jenkins to show 355 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 1: that he's worthy of being a starter right off the bat. Yeah, 356 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 1: and as we know, the competition at backup quarterback between 357 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: Deshaun Kaiser, Tim Boyle Manny Wilkins the number four right now, 358 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 1: that will be continuing, uh, certainly through um these last 359 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: two preseason games, not just the Raiders game. But where 360 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 1: do you see this competition right now? I see it 361 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:34,879 Speaker 1: all neck and neck. Yeah, I think I think it 362 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 1: obviously is Kaiser and Boyle. There's just so much more 363 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: experience there with those two guys. Uh. And certainly Kaiser 364 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 1: got off to kind of a slow start last week, 365 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: but then kind of rally the troops a little bit. 366 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 1: I think Boyle that the thing about Boile watching him 367 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 1: play so far throughout this preseason, is he has moments 368 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:54,880 Speaker 1: of just you know, sheer an utter excellence. I mean 369 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: downfield passes that are on the money, big play potential 370 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: that every NFL team covets in a quarterback. He needs 371 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 1: to string it together, though, he needs to be able 372 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 1: to do that on a more consistent basis, And he'll 373 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 1: be the first one to tell you that. From Kaiser's perspective, 374 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:12,679 Speaker 1: I think it's being able to immerse himself in this scheme, 375 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,159 Speaker 1: play within the scheme, but still be Deshaun Kaiser, be 376 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:17,879 Speaker 1: the guy that was the second round pick, Be the 377 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 1: guy that does have natural instincts to make a play. 378 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 1: This is going to be such an important game because 379 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 1: we don't know whether or not Aaron Rodgers goes. If 380 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,400 Speaker 1: he doesn't go, Kaiser is probably gonna be out there 381 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: with the ones. Again, what can you do with that 382 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 1: opportunity to prove that, you know what, I can run 383 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: this offense. I can be there with Davante Adams. Adams 384 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: said it this week. When Rodgers isn't on the field, 385 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 1: their goal is to make sure it's as if he's 386 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:40,400 Speaker 1: never left, that they can still run with the same 387 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: amount of efficiency. That's the task for Kaiser and then 388 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:46,679 Speaker 1: behind him whenever Boyle comes into that game proving that 389 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 1: he has what it takes the potentially be a number two. Yeah. Well, 390 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 1: before I forget here West, I do need to take 391 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: care of some sponsor business. 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Now, 399 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 1: I will admit I thought, Okay, it's just a preseason thing. 400 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:27,160 Speaker 1: He's just doing it for the month August and he'll 401 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:30,399 Speaker 1: be back up in the coach's booth for the regular 402 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 1: season games. But I was mistaken. That is not the case. 403 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:37,439 Speaker 1: Mike Patton has decided that the sideline is where he 404 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 1: is going to be in twenty nineteen, and he spoke 405 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: to reporters and explained some of his thought process some 406 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 1: of his reasons behind making the switch. Kind of an 407 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: interesting uh um, you know, view into his mind and 408 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 1: his thought process. Well, first off, I'm gonna give you 409 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 1: a little bit of a hint. If you're a young 410 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: beat writer coming into Green Bay, the easiest way to 411 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 1: break news without actually doing anything is to read the 412 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 1: Dope sheet on whatever day it comes out the Packers 413 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 1: Information Guy. Packers have actually listed Petton on the sidelines 414 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 1: since the beginning of camp. I didn't actually put that 415 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:11,679 Speaker 1: out there right away because it was like, now, what 416 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 1: is that worth? But you're right, it wasn't for preseason. 417 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 1: It's something he's planning to do moving forward, and it's funny. 418 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 1: It actually a part of it kind of has to 419 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:22,679 Speaker 1: do with lambeau Field in a way. He mentioned, you know, 420 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 1: Rob Amovsky when we were together at the Green Bay 421 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 1: Press because that wrote a really nice story talking to 422 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: Joe Philbin's Dom Capers and some of the coaches that 423 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:31,399 Speaker 1: were up in the press box, the coach's box about 424 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:33,239 Speaker 1: how difficult it is getting down to the field, and 425 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:35,439 Speaker 1: it's like that in a lot of NFL stadiums. But 426 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 1: as Petton illustrated, you leave at the end of the 427 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 1: half they have an elevator ready for you. You go 428 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: down the elevator, then you get to the catwalk. They 429 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 1: have golf carts there to take the coaches, probably about 430 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 1: what a hundred yards or so it might, let's go 431 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 1: with that. If you drive down that way going as 432 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:55,680 Speaker 1: fast as a golf cart can go. Then you get 433 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 1: over to the other elevator. You take that elevator down 434 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 1: two stairs, and now you're in the lobby. You go 435 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 1: across the lobby, across the tunnel, you walk down another 436 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,159 Speaker 1: however many feet to the locker room. Then you're there. 437 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:08,400 Speaker 1: You're there for five ten minutes, and then you've got 438 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 1: to get back upstairs. It's definitely not ten minutes, because 439 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 1: halftime is only twelve months long, so unless you leave 440 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: the press box early before the clock actually hit zero. 441 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 1: And and that was the whole point, is that he 442 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:24,160 Speaker 1: didn't feel like he had enough time with the players 443 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,159 Speaker 1: in the locker room at halftime, just because of the 444 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,159 Speaker 1: transportation part of it. To make a couple of final adjustments, 445 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: as he said, and also to hear the coaches message 446 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:34,440 Speaker 1: what Latin Floor Mike McCarthy was saying, and making sure 447 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,639 Speaker 1: that he understands what they need out of him in 448 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 1: his defense in that second half, so he's going to 449 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 1: be down in the field. He said, he's actually worked 450 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 1: with some guys I don't know who they are off hand, 451 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 1: they are in the dope sheet. That will be sort 452 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 1: of his eye in the sky this season. He feels 453 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 1: like he can get the best of both worlds. And 454 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:50,119 Speaker 1: he mentioned that he kind of felt last year he 455 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 1: was able to train some of the other defensive assistants 456 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: who were up in the box with him. As far 457 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,959 Speaker 1: as the information that he covets, what he wants, what 458 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:01,160 Speaker 1: he wants to know, and now that he has those 459 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 1: coaches looking for that and tracking that information for him, 460 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,679 Speaker 1: they can relay that to him down on the sideline. 461 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 1: That's what he wants. And so he feels like he, 462 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 1: you know, gets the best of both worlds, is the 463 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 1: way he put it. And lastly, just being able to 464 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,680 Speaker 1: actually go talk to the players in between series, sit 465 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:17,919 Speaker 1: down with guys, move around to different possession groups, the 466 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 1: interpersonal communication, there's a benefit to it. Pet and feels 467 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,119 Speaker 1: like it will help his defense go to the next level. 468 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,120 Speaker 1: And again, we're gonna see how it all plays out. Yeah, well, 469 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,399 Speaker 1: we will definitely see well with that, we will call 470 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 1: it a wrap on this edition of Packers Unscripted. We 471 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:34,680 Speaker 1: got a plane to catch. 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