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Speaker 2: let's start with Chase of the Afterlife with the Santra Champlain.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and

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Speaker 3: and associates. We would like to encourage you to do

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Speaker 3: your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. Hi,

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Speaker 3: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been

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Speaker 3: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death.

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Speaker 3: On each episode, we'll discuss the reasons we now know

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Speaker 3: that our loved ones have survived physical death and so

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Speaker 3: will we Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. You may

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Speaker 3: wonder why I pick certain topics for each episode, and

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Speaker 3: the truth is, as a human being, I deal with

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Speaker 3: the same things you deal with the hopes and fears, anxiety, frustrations,

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Speaker 3: moments of joy, excitement, all of it. Before recording, I

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Speaker 3: put a little prayer out to who's ever listening and

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Speaker 3: ask for some stories that'll make a difference both for

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Speaker 3: you and for me. This episode, I'm fully aware of

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Speaker 3: some of the fear and struggles and worry that many

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Speaker 3: people have going on in their lives right now. Turn

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Speaker 3: on the news and it will really stir it up

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Speaker 3: and turn our concerns to high volume. If you're a

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Speaker 3: super fan of this show, you've already heard the story

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Speaker 3: written by Jane. She says, I remember an incident that

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Speaker 3: happened when I was in my sophomore year of pre

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Speaker 3: med studies. I've always been interested in healing because my

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Speaker 3: It turned out that I was terrified of losing him

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Speaker 3: Dad and I only had each other. I couldn't imagine

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Speaker 3: When we're so present and in action, the fear goes away.

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Speaker 3: I love that, and I'm sure you have testimonies. But

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Speaker 4: It was very remarkable to realize there really is no death.

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Speaker 4: I remember thinking, I like floating. Floating is fun, this

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain.

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Speaker 3: Let's continue with Rosemary's near death experience and her surprising healing.

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Speaker 4: I sensed a massive spiritual presence with me just to

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Speaker 4: my left and slightly behind me. Well, I'm still floating

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Speaker 4: in this blackness and having the time of my life

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Speaker 4: literally and I turned my head to the left and

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Speaker 4: a little bit up, and I said, and who are you?

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Speaker 4: And the answer was immediate. The answer was you, Rosemary.

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Speaker 4: You are the image and likeness. I'm the original. And

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Speaker 4: I thought wow. And for many years of my life,

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Speaker 4: I've studied Genesis, specifically First Genesis, and that's the language

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Speaker 4: of the Bible from First Genesis twenty five and twenty

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Speaker 4: six that were made in God's image and likeness. But

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Speaker 4: these words came with an infusion of knowledge. It wasn't

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Speaker 4: mere words. The Bible talks about in the beginning. Was

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Speaker 4: what that meant. These were words that came with all

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Speaker 4: the power that created the universe, And I thought, wow,

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Speaker 4: could this possibly get any better? Because now I understand

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Speaker 4: I'm the image and likeness. It was an experience. I

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Speaker 4: know people say this often that words can't describe, but

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Speaker 4: I was having such a good time and I felt, honestly,

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Speaker 4: my life has not been an easy one, and I

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Speaker 4: was so grateful that at age fifty it was over

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Speaker 4: release for good behavior. And now I was on my

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Speaker 4: that I was just going home. I didn't want to

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Speaker 4: go back to Earth at all. It never even crossed

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Speaker 4: my mind about coming back. I literally remember thanking God

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Speaker 4: that I was done, that I had done what I

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Speaker 4: There's a complete blank from being in that blackness to

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Speaker 4: being in a white room. And it was a beautiful room,

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Speaker 4: I was told I was there for healing, that whether

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Speaker 4: go to heaven with burdens and sadness and sickness. So

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Speaker 4: my whole life. I've studied near death experiences and read

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Speaker 4: the books, and I knew the door meant that there

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Speaker 4: was no coming back, that that was crossing the rubicon.

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Speaker 4: So I eagerly scooted toward the door at best possible

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Speaker 4: I paused, and I asked, is this the divine will

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Speaker 4: wrong decision. And that was immensely comforting because two and

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Speaker 4: many pains from that experience suicide survivors have burdens that

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Speaker 4: like those prayers had been answered too, that I had

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Speaker 4: life review. Having gone through this once, I did not

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Speaker 4: I was so grateful to hear that there wasn't a

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Speaker 4: I had exacted a promise from her that she wasn't

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Speaker 4: controllably and saying, I promised that woman I wasn't going

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Speaker 4: and I literally put my right hand back at my side,

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Speaker 4: I realized now. But in a millisecond of a millisecond,

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Speaker 4: They told me the next day my heart had stopped.

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Speaker 4: But I told them at every step of the way,

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Speaker 4: and all the tests affirmed that I had come back

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Speaker 4: And shortly after that, I opened my Bible when I

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Speaker 4: The old memories of where I had lived with my

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Speaker 4: and to have a new chance at a new life.

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Speaker 4: And so many people have said, oh, I wish I

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Speaker 4: could do that. And yet that's what's interesting is that's

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Speaker 4: when my friends really thought I'd lost my mind, is

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Speaker 4: when I started selling off everything I owned and said

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Speaker 4: I was going one thousand miles west. It's changed me

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Speaker 4: in every way a human being can be changed, and

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Speaker 4: it's all for the good. And now everything looks so different.

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Speaker 4: But I do cry more easily. When I hear about

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Speaker 4: somebody who's lost somebody to suicide. I typically just burst

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Speaker 4: out in tears because I feel their pain. And yet

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Speaker 4: I don't go home crying and keep crying for days

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Speaker 4: like I used to. I don't crawl into bed and

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Speaker 4: stay there. So everything has gotten so much better, I

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Speaker 4: guess the biggest struggles. I still think maybe I died

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Speaker 4: and I've just gone to a new place because I'm

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Speaker 4: not sure exactly what's happening. I feel completely different. An

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Speaker 4: interesting consequence of this, after I was out of the hospital,

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Speaker 4: I realized that the arthritis that had plagued me in

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Speaker 4: my wrist disappeared. I had a busted knee from an

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Speaker 4: old injury that healed up. I had a busted shoulder

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Speaker 4: from an old injury. Pretty much I got, as my

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Speaker 4: friend in It says, you got rebooted by the creator.

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Speaker 4: It's been an amazing experience. Every now and then somebody says,

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Speaker 4: how do you know you really died? There's so many ways,

456
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Speaker 4: but I guess the biggest would be when I died,

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Speaker 4: I had been diagnosed with this life threatening illness. When

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Speaker 4: I came back, it had evaporated. I mean, there's no

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Speaker 4: meta explanation for any of that. And then my blood

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Speaker 4: work showed that I had a full recovery from hemorrhaging

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Speaker 4: to death within ten days. Within ten days, all of

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Speaker 4: my numbers on the blood work were back to normal,

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Speaker 4: which the doctors told me would take about three months,

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Speaker 4: and it happened in ten days. But again, the angels

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Speaker 4: reassured me everything would be reset, and it was.

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Speaker 3: She's got a great laugh and a good outlook on life.

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Speaker 3: If you haven't yet read Anita Morjani's Dying to Be Me,

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain

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Speaker 3: and we're talking about fear and anxiety and the difference

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Speaker 3: having a near death experience makes. Now. I don't know

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Speaker 3: about you, but I do not want to have a

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Speaker 3: near death experience. But I want to learn all the

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Speaker 3: valuable things that people get out of them and apply

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Speaker 3: them to my life. Doctor ken Ring did a lot

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Speaker 3: of research with near death experiences, even studied the near

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Speaker 3: death experiences of the blind, which we talked about long

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Speaker 3: time ago here on Shades of the After Life. But

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Speaker 3: here are some commonalities I want to share of the

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Speaker 3: near death experience. One. In the cases in which people

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Speaker 3: came closest to death or were clinically dead, they told

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Speaker 3: of being outside of their bodies or moving through a

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Speaker 3: void or dark tunnel toward a luminous light, of meeting

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Speaker 3: departed relatives and friends, of having a feeling of great

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Speaker 3: comfort and bliss, and of being surrounded by compassionate love,

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Speaker 3: of feeling so beautiful they longed to remain when they

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Speaker 3: returned to their earthly lives, and they were affected by

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Speaker 3: this feeling for the rest of their lives.

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Speaker 6: Two.

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Speaker 3: No one type of person was especially likely to have

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Speaker 3: this experience. It cut across race, gender, age, education, marital status, etc. Three.

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Speaker 3: Religious orientation was not a factor affecting the likelihood or

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Speaker 3: the depth of a near death experience. An atheist was

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Speaker 3: as likely to have one as a devoutly religious person. Four,

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Speaker 3: regardless of their prior attitudes, whether skeptical or deeply religious,

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Speaker 3: and regardless of the many variations in religious blas beliefs

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Speaker 3: and a degree of skepticism, most of these people were

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Speaker 3: convinced that they had been in the presence of some

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Speaker 3: supreme and loving power and had a glimpse of the

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Speaker 3: life yet to come. Five. Drugs, anesthesia and medication did

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Speaker 3: not seem to be a factor in inducing these impressions

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Speaker 3: and exquisite feelings of an ND. In fact, drugs and

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Speaker 3: anesthesia seemed to be more likely to cause a person

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Speaker 3: to forget memories of an ND. Number six. Doctor Ring

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Speaker 3: definitely concluded that NDEs are not hallucinations because hallucinations are rambling, unconnected,

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Speaker 3: often unintelligible, and very widely whereas near death experiences tend

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Speaker 3: to have similar elements of a clear, connected pattern. Seven.

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Speaker 3: Based on the information of those who had reported such incidents,

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Speaker 3: the moment of death was often one of unparalleled beauty,

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Speaker 3: peace and comfort, and a feeling of total love and acceptance.

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Speaker 3: This was possible even for those involved in horrible accidents

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Speaker 3: in which they suffered very serious injuries. Doctor Ring found

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Speaker 3: that there was tremendous comfort potential in this information for

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Speaker 3: people who were facing death. Eight After going through a

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Speaker 3: near death experience, people reported a loss of fear of death,

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Speaker 3: as well as a greater appreciation of life. They also

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Speaker 3: reported stronger feelings of self acceptance and a greater concern

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Speaker 3: and sense for caring for other people. They had less

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Speaker 3: interest in material things for their own sake, many tended

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Speaker 3: to be more spiritual, though not necessarily more involved in

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Speaker 3: organized religion. And nine, almost all subjects who experienced a

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Speaker 3: near death experience found their lives transformed and experienced a

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Speaker 3: change in their attitudes and values, as well as their

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Speaker 3: inclination to love and help others. Doctor Ring was convinced

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Speaker 3: that these were absolutely authentic experiences and noted that since returning,

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Speaker 3: many of them had occasion to think about what might

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Speaker 3: have been, and their subsequent lives were powerful testimony to

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Speaker 3: our common ability to live more deeply, to live with

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Speaker 3: more gratitude, to live more lovingly and more spiritually. That

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Speaker 3: goes hand in hand with the story we just heard.

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Speaker 3: The next near death experience you're going to hear is

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Speaker 3: just a quick one, just a few minutes. It's the

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Speaker 3: story of Mary Joe rappini who describes herself as a

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Speaker 3: stubborn atheist. She went through a near death experience after

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Speaker 3: suffering a brain aneurysm. She is the wife and mother

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Speaker 3: of two, and realized that all of the stories she

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Speaker 3: had heard from other people in hospital situations were not

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Speaker 3: necessarily caused by hallucinations. She's now a psychotherapist in private

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Speaker 3: practice and a therapist at the Methodist Hospital in the

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Speaker 3: Texas Medical Center. Rappinie found it therapeutic to write it

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Speaker 3: all down. The result is her recently released a book

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Speaker 3: titled is God Pink Dying to Heal.

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Speaker 8: Usbin was by my bed and I saw that light

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Speaker 8: and then I remember kind of looking at him, so

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Speaker 8: I was like, okay, so I see this light, but

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Speaker 8: I'm not dreaming. All of a sudden, I closed my

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Speaker 8: eyes and I was thinking, is that the tunnel that

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Speaker 8: the cancers used to tell me about?

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Speaker 3: Because it is not impressive.

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Speaker 8: It was so small, and then all of a sudden

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Speaker 8: it came larger and I folded into it and I

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Speaker 8: was in it. It's a incredibly warm, loving feeling and

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Speaker 8: you're not afraid. It was just like I was moving

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Speaker 8: through the tunnel. I don't remember my whole body being

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Speaker 8: part of it. Nor do I remember really caring. I

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Speaker 8: felt totally me, but I don't remember paying special attention.

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Speaker 3: Like is my body going with me? Do I have

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Speaker 3: eyes on my ears?

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Speaker 8: I just remember going through it, and then I came

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Speaker 8: out into this room.

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Speaker 3: The room was magnificent.

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Speaker 8: I shouldn't even say it was a room because I

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Speaker 8: didn't see any walls, and nor did I see any limitations.

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Speaker 8: But I had the sense it was a room. And

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Speaker 8: it was a very brilliant color. There's not an earth

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Speaker 8: color to say what it is. I call it pink,

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Speaker 8: because you know, if you think a brilliant, you think harsh.

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Speaker 8: This room was not harsh. It was soft, and mostly

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Speaker 8: it was so accepting and loving. And I remember then

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Speaker 8: that something holds me. I don't remember how I got there,

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Speaker 8: but something is holding me because I can feel it

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Speaker 8: physically around me. And it says, Mary Joe, you cannot stay,

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Speaker 8: and I say why. First I was upset. I said what,

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Speaker 8: and it said you cannot stay? And then I said why.

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Speaker 8: And this voice that I don't see his face. I

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Speaker 8: can't tell you what it looks like because I have

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Speaker 8: no idea. It says to me, you can't stay because

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Speaker 8: you have more to do.

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Speaker 3: And I said more to do, and he goes, yes, you.

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Speaker 8: Haven't given enough, and I said I haven't given enough.

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Speaker 8: And I started talking about every human acolyte I could think.

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Speaker 8: I started saying, you know, I work at that cancer center.

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Speaker 8: I only get paid six hundred dollars a month. I'm

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Speaker 8: on twenty four to seven call. There's nobody that can't

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Speaker 8: call me in the middle of the night. And I

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Speaker 8: actually answer the phone and talk to him everything possible

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Speaker 8: that I could brag about on a tombstone.

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Speaker 3: I talked to this.

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Speaker 8: God about and then God says, well, let me ask

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Speaker 8: you one question. Have you ever loved any person the

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Speaker 8: way you've been loved in this short time here? And

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Speaker 8: I said, no, no, it's impossible. I'm just a human.

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Speaker 8: And it kind of chuckled. It wasn't human, but it

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Speaker 8: was able to relate to me in a very human

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Speaker 8: way that made me feel loved. And it wasn't laughing

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Speaker 8: at me, but it was a chuckle. It had a

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Speaker 8: playful edge or and it said you can do better.

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Speaker 8: And then I remember waking up and Ron was crying,

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Speaker 8: and he's got this form of what they give you

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Speaker 8: when you're going to have to have surgery.

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Speaker 3: And he's like, Mary, you know we got to go

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Speaker 8: I need to know that, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 8: And then Ron goes, Mary, listen, you know you could die.

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Speaker 8: You're really sick and they're going to have to do

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Speaker 8: surgery on you. And I said, you know what, I'm

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Speaker 8: not going to die because I just talked to God

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Speaker 8: and he won't let me.

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Speaker 3: God won't let her die. And I think for your

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Speaker 3: time and my time, we don't get to go yet either.

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Speaker 3: I love that we have more to do. We haven't

631
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Speaker 3: given enough, and have we loved another person the way

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Speaker 3: we can imagine being loved in the hereafter. There's several

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Speaker 3: of these near death experiences that it seems like God

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Speaker 3: or the divine has a sense of humor. I love

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Speaker 3: the words, you can do better. I'm definitely not the

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Speaker 3: judge or jury on your life, only on my own.

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Speaker 3: And here's the thing we have a question to ask

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Speaker 3: ourselves while we're here. If our men is to serve

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Speaker 3: and is to love, and is to make a difference

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Speaker 3: with others? And when I say others, when we look

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00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,760
Speaker 3: in the mirror, we are one of those people. How

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00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 3: are we doing on that mission? It doesn't matter what

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Speaker 3: day it is, what time it is, It's never too

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Speaker 3: late to start applying love all over. And yes, that

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Speaker 3: means even to people we don't like and that we

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Speaker 3: don't agree with. Human nature wants us to gossip and

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Speaker 3: get involved with maybe bad mouthing, and that's just part

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Speaker 3: of our human dna, I think. But we can rise

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Speaker 3: above it. Mother Teresa gave some great framework that I

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Speaker 3: think might help. She said, let no one ever come

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Speaker 3: to you without leaving better and happier. Be the living

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Speaker 3: expression of God's kindness. Kindness in your face, kindness in

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Speaker 3: your eyes, kindness in your smile. And as our first

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Speaker 3: story told us, the importance of gratitude. So we're talking

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Speaker 3: about anxiety, we're talking about fear. My dad told me

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Speaker 3: ninety percent of the things we fear never happen, and

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Speaker 3: of the ten percent that happen, most of them aren't

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Speaker 3: nearly as bad as we imagined them to be. When

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Speaker 3: we come back from the break, we'll hear one more

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Speaker 3: near death experience. But I want you to really contemplate

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Speaker 3: that around you right now is a powerful group of souls,

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Speaker 3: your loved ones, inspirers, all cheering you on so that

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Speaker 3: you get your money's worth out of living your life

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Speaker 3: here on earth. We are so much more powerful than

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Speaker 3: we know. And what would it be like, even in

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Speaker 3: the face of fear, to walk right through it and

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Speaker 3: go after our dreams. We'll be right back. You're listening

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain

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Speaker 3: and our last story of the day comes from Ellen Weir.

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Speaker 3: Her journey began at the age of twelve, when a

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Speaker 3: horseback riding accident left her in a coma, teetering on

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Speaker 3: the brink of life and death.

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Speaker 6: I was a normal child growing up, a normal girl.

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Speaker 6: Loved horses and loved to ride. And when I was

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Speaker 6: twelve years old, I went to my first Western lesson.

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Speaker 6: I'd written English for so long, so I went to

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Speaker 6: my first Western lesson, and it turns out they didn't

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Speaker 6: tighten the sense enough. When I was riding and the

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Speaker 6: since slipped and I was riding for a while underneath

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Speaker 6: the horse fell off the horse and then it reared

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Speaker 6: up and kicked me in the temple. I was taken

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Speaker 6: to a local hospital in Hillsboro, Texas, and was found

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Speaker 6: that I was in a coma. So then I was

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Speaker 6: taken to Waco Hospital in the Dallas Fort WORTHA area

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Speaker 6: and given a team of doctors, one of which who

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Speaker 6: had worked on JFK. Oddly enough, but I was in

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Speaker 6: the coma for five days, and my parents were told

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Speaker 6: to try and inspire my brain to kind of have

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Speaker 6: some stimulation by playing movies. And they were playing my

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Speaker 6: childhood favorite movies, Disney movies at my bedside and Home

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Speaker 6: movies and things. It was from that point that I

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Speaker 6: went into my near death experience and was taken to

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Speaker 6: the other side. Basically, I found myself on a raft,

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Speaker 6: and the raft was wooden and was floating on what

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Speaker 6: I would call pink clouds. And in front of me

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Speaker 6: was who I knew to be, Jesus because that's the

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Speaker 6: faith that I grew up in. And on my left

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Speaker 6: there was a man who was young and thin and

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Speaker 6: bald with long brown robes. I didn't know who he was,

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Speaker 6: but he felt familiar and comfortable and safe to me,

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Speaker 6: almost as if he were protecting me, and felt completely

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Speaker 6: loved just before moving into this place of light. So

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Speaker 6: I went from the raft into this place of being

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Speaker 6: surrounded by white light, bright light, but also colors, and

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Speaker 6: imagined like wonderful, beautiful colors all around music playing. That

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Speaker 6: was short lived, because at some point I felt this

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Speaker 6: light around my body, which wasn't my real body but

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Speaker 6: was my light body. It felt warm and weighted and

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Speaker 6: beautiful and kind of like a comforting hug, right, and

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Speaker 6: then I just melted into and became the love. Everything

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Speaker 6: else went away and I was just completely one with

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Speaker 6: this light and this love. It was the most beautifully

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Speaker 6: profound experience of my life. But I can't even say

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Speaker 6: it was an experience I had in my life, because

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Speaker 6: it was an otherworldly experience. And then I don't know

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Speaker 6: how long I was there. I don't know how long

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Speaker 6: I was connected, but I was taken back to the wrath,

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Speaker 6: and it was on that raft that I was connected

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Speaker 6: with so much information about not only my path, but

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Speaker 6: our path as humans and why we're here. And then

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Speaker 6: I could see the trajectory of my parents and my family.

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Speaker 6: So many things came into my knowing. But I remember

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Speaker 6: knowing that every person here has a purpose, everyone has

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Speaker 6: a plan. We are divinely guided and led, and our

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Speaker 6: goal is to surrender to that and trust that and

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Speaker 6: have faith, and also to connect with our higher self

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Speaker 6: so that we are living in the greatest good. And

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Speaker 6: I remember again recognizing that all the things that we

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Speaker 6: spend our mind thinking about, like we spend our time

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Speaker 6: thinking about on earth, all these worries and concerns and

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Speaker 6: stresses and fears, they actually get in the way of

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Speaker 6: living our purpose in our life. I remember thinking, when

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Speaker 6: I would have these thoughts and they would come into

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Speaker 6: would instantly know how to let it go and that

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Speaker 6: it didn't matter and it was false. And I lived

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Speaker 6: in that knowing for so long. And I think that

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Speaker 6: in this time especially, people will have these fears and

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Speaker 6: they will hold them back because as we connect fear

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Speaker 6: with thoughts, we actually create more of that in our lives,

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Speaker 6: because what we think is our reality. So that was

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Speaker 6: a really big piece for me. Also, this living and

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Speaker 6: gratitude was a huge part of this experience. I came

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Speaker 6: out knowing that every night as I went to sleep,

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Speaker 6: I needed to give thanks for this opportunity to be here.

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Speaker 6: Where there is gratitude, there's no room for fear, there's

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Speaker 6: no room for hate or discord. It is all love.

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Speaker 6: When we really feel that and we feel the expansion

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Speaker 6: of our heart and we give complete gratitude forgetting to

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Speaker 6: be here, that is when we are truly connecting to

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Speaker 6: the higher self and to source. So that was another

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Speaker 6: big piece and I recognize and have since had many messages.

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Speaker 6: I've been working with what I call angelic or light

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Speaker 6: beings ever since I came out of my coma. I

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Speaker 6: will see the places and around people and informations and

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Speaker 6: their comfort and the guidance that they give is true

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Speaker 6: and real, that we really are protected and guided. And

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Speaker 6: after receiving all this information, which I was given the

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Speaker 6: choice that I could either stay there or I could live,

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Speaker 6: and I remember on some level wanting to stay because

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Speaker 6: I loved the connection and the love and everything else disappeared.

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Speaker 6: All my human worries about everything didn't matter right, and

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Speaker 6: I recognized on that raft that they didn't matter anyway,

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Speaker 6: that so much that we think about and spend our

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Speaker 6: time giving energy to is not what it's about. It

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Speaker 6: was then that I was taken into a transformative immersive

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Speaker 6: music experience. As I chose to stay and to come back,

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Speaker 6: I remember telling them I want to use music for healing,

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Speaker 6: and I explained I want to be a healer. And

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Speaker 6: it was at that moment that I felt an overwhelming

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Speaker 6: surge of gratitude that I got to come back and

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Speaker 6: I got to live, and I knew that it was

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Speaker 6: and I knew I had purpose, And that's when I

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Speaker 6: was taken back into the darkness. But the darkness that

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Speaker 6: I went into was a warm darkness, a comforting darkness,

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Speaker 6: and I saw a music staff in the distance, just

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Speaker 6: the staff, and every note was a different color on

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Speaker 6: the staff, and I could see the notes moving, but

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Speaker 6: I couldn't hear anything. So I just watched it, and

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Speaker 6: it got closer and closer and closer, bigger and bigger,

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Speaker 6: until I kind of moved through the staff and it

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Speaker 6: was gone. But then in its place it was a

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Speaker 6: very very faint sound, almost inaudible, almost untouchable, like a

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Speaker 6: little pinprick of light. I point to the lower right,

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Speaker 6: That's where I kind of visualize it, tiny pinprick, and

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Speaker 6: I focused so hard on that music. I just pulled

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Speaker 6: it in as much as I could. It came into

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Speaker 6: my mind until it was booming in my head, and

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Speaker 6: I opened my eyes and there I was in the ICU.

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Speaker 6: A nurse came running over, and then I slipped back

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Speaker 6: out of consciousness. But the next thing I remember was

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Speaker 6: I was being moved to a regular bed. They were

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Speaker 6: calling it a miracle. They said that no other person

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Speaker 6: in the state of Texas had ever survived that type

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Speaker 6: of head injury at that state that I was in,

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Speaker 6: other than one other child. She was fourteen, but she

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Speaker 6: was disabled for life, and then I knew that all

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Speaker 6: the information I received on that raft, which was that

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Speaker 6: we all have purpose. It's the most vivid memory I

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Speaker 6: have in my life, and now I live. Everything that

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Speaker 6: I do has to go back to that experience. Does

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Speaker 6: it relate, does it connect to that experience on the

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Speaker 6: other side, and how can I help others connect to

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Speaker 6: that as well.

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Speaker 3: It's interesting what I've learned about near death experience is

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Speaker 3: it's not just the experience itself that transforms a life,

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Speaker 3: but it's the after effects. People go on to live

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Speaker 3: a whole different kind of life, and it almost seems

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Speaker 3: like things that happen in the near death experience continue

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Speaker 3: to open up. I spoke to Ellen Weir, who had

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Speaker 3: this last experience just recently, and she was telling me

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Speaker 3: how her life has unfolded. She's put together a book

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Speaker 3: called Waking Up in Heaven, Living with Purpose through After

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Speaker 3: Life Wisdom. Ellen, like any others, have turned their lives

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Speaker 3: into making a difference, and Allen is passionate about helping

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Speaker 3: people tap into our own inner wisdom, creating our own reality.

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Speaker 3: And she's big into music. I'm excited to read her

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Speaker 3: book and just see how music plays a part in

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Speaker 3: connecting us to our divine selves and to the other side.

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Speaker 3: This episode has been about fear anxiety, learning from near

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Speaker 3: death experiences so that we know there's a bigger picture

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Speaker 3: and that we are always supported. If there's something you're

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Speaker 3: really struggling with, try to get out of your mind

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Speaker 3: and into action. When we can put all of our

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Speaker 3: concentration on what it is we're doing. Next thing, you know,

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Speaker 3: that thing you fear is a thing of the past,

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Speaker 3: and it is done. One of the craziest things I

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Speaker 3: did to overcome some fear. Believe it or not, I

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Speaker 3: didn't like dining in a restaurant alone. God forbid me

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Speaker 3: taking a trip by myself. I was given a challenge.

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Speaker 3: I chose to take it, and I booked myself a

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Speaker 3: flight to Hawaii. The girl that didn't want to go

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00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 3: out to eat by myself was suddenly going on a

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Speaker 3: four day vacation by myself. I brought my guidebook, I

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00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 3: rented a car, checked into the hotel, and something miraculous happened.

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Speaker 3: I started meeting people who became friends for life, all

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Speaker 3: by me taking a chance. What did I realize that

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Speaker 3: all of us human beings were just the same for

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Speaker 3: people with our own hopes and fears and dreams, that

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Speaker 3: if we can get out of our own heads, set

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Speaker 3: that ego aside, and look into someone's eyes, we realize

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Speaker 3: their divine souls too, and that we're never alone. I

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Speaker 3: want to do a shout out to some super fans.

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Speaker 3: Ramona from Germany has emailed and messaged me often. She's

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Speaker 3: Thank you for listening to Shades of the Afterlife on

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