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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome man, everybody. Hope your Thursday is

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Speaker 1: going fantastically well wherever you may be across this great

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Speaker 1: country or this great land. I am Clay Travis. He

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Speaker 1: is Buck Sexton in this is the Clay Travis and

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Speaker 1: Buck Sexton Show. A lot of different stories to dive

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Speaker 1: into as we move throughout the program, but there are

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Speaker 1: a couple of legal issues right off the top, Buck

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Speaker 1: that are getting a lot of attention. We may be

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Speaker 1: able to update you after years. This is literally years

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Speaker 1: of discussion surrounding the Trump organization's tax returns. There may

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Speaker 1: be officially a release of the charges that are going

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Speaker 1: to be brought very often, Buck Sexton. These tax returns,

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Speaker 1: charges and whatnot have leaked no surprise through the media,

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Speaker 1: and at least the early reports are that they are

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Speaker 1: not going to be very significant charges. This to me

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Speaker 1: has a feeling Buck, a bit like the Mueller Report,

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Speaker 1: where everybody got all riled up, We're going to prove

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Speaker 1: Russia collusion. Donald Trump's presidency is in danger, and then

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Speaker 1: suddenly the Mueller Report landed with a big thud, found

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Speaker 1: no collusion. And I feel like in the grand scheme

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Speaker 1: of things, this is not going to be a very

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Speaker 1: significant story when all is said and done. Are you

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Speaker 1: also reading the same media stories as me and feeling

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Speaker 1: like this is going to be a Mueller Report like

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Speaker 1: reveal where a lot of people who expected massive story,

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Speaker 1: massive punishment are going to be disappointed. I think this

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Speaker 1: is meant to send a message. Actually, And while you're

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Speaker 1: absolutely correct in that the Muller Report, the witch hunt

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Speaker 1: that was the Muller Report, didn't get the goods because

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Speaker 1: there was no there there. It was obvious for a

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Speaker 1: long time, as the president then Donald Trump said to

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Speaker 1: me himself in the Oval Office, Russia collusion doesn't even

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Speaker 1: make sense. It's not even a good idea. It's it's

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Speaker 1: a crazy theory that this is something that the then

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Speaker 1: candidate Trump would have would have done in his campaign,

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Speaker 1: would have engaged and it never made sense. But the

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Speaker 1: other part of this, Clay, and this is why I

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Speaker 1: find this so troubling. You're right, this is not They're

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Speaker 1: they're reporting on this as though, and people in the

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Speaker 1: media are going to bend over backwards talking about, oh, well,

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Speaker 1: how did we get al capone? We got him on

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Speaker 1: tax evasion. Right, This is you know, idiots legal analyst

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Speaker 1: by the way, I mean the people that go on

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Speaker 1: seeing an MSNBC to talk about this stuff. I don't

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Speaker 1: care what their degrees are, where they've worked. They're they're

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Speaker 1: effectively reading from a DNC provided script. They don't add

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Speaker 1: what that audience wants to hear. Here's the problem, though,

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Speaker 1: there is not going to be some vague moment I

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Speaker 1: think where the country says, oh my gosh, tax evasion

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Speaker 1: or what. By the way, we don't even know what

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Speaker 1: the specific charge the tax issue is. But I mean

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Speaker 1: that's broadly speaking at some kind of a tax crime.

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Speaker 1: They're not going to find something really serious here, Clay.

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Speaker 1: But the message is kind of the same, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: We can get you no matter what, no matter who

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Speaker 1: you are, no matter how long it takes, We'll go

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Speaker 1: through your taxes. We will go after you on the

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Speaker 1: most petty and vague grounds possible. If you come after

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Speaker 1: the establishment, the left, the power apparatus in this country

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Speaker 1: will make an example of people around you, and of

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Speaker 1: your organization and you yourself if we can. That's the message.

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Speaker 1: So far, almost all of the charges that have been

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Speaker 1: brought have been relatively insignificant. And we're talking about buck

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Speaker 1: a three year investigation plus that has been going on

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Speaker 1: into these tax returns. And if the charges are as

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Speaker 1: they have been reported to be, basically extra compensation that

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Speaker 1: that wasn't correctly attributed for tax returns, this is nothing

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Speaker 1: right and I don't want to over analyze based on

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Speaker 1: all of the reports that have come out so far,

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Speaker 1: maybe there will be something associated here. But yesterday on

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Speaker 1: the show, I made the analogy that if you give

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Speaker 1: a prosecutor three years to investigate anyone. I mean this legitimately,

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Speaker 1: any single person that is out there listening to us

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Speaker 1: right now, if you gave prosecutors three years to pour

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Speaker 1: I believe that they could find something to charge you with.

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Speaker 1: That's because for anybody who's ever worked in the tax universe,

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Speaker 1: the tax code is more art than science. What I

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Speaker 1: mean by that is, if you had ten accountants and

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Speaker 1: you gave all ten of those accountants your tax returns

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Speaker 1: and you run multiple businesses, is complicated interplays of assets

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Speaker 1: When you're an employee, a lot of people out there,

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Speaker 1: easy to figure out exactly what you are doing. When

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Speaker 1: talk about this having seen it over the last decade,

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Speaker 1: assets and also business returns that are now wrapping into

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Speaker 1: my tax returns. It's all art, is not a science,

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Speaker 1: and so anybody could be found to have done something inappropriate.

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Speaker 1: The former Secretary Defense under two administrations, Don Rumsfeld, passed

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Speaker 1: about there with his legacy, and look, the guy, the

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Speaker 1: guy was a patriot, he served as country. I know

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Speaker 1: people have different views of Iraq war and other things Afghanistan,

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Speaker 1: some of that later. But I bring it up Clay

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Speaker 1: because he famously used to send he was very open

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Speaker 1: return saying I've done the best I can, guys, but

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Speaker 1: I can't. You know, you're asking me to attest to

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Speaker 1: is all of this accurate and correct? You know, to

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Speaker 1: the best of my knowledge, it is. But is that

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Speaker 1: good enough? I don't even really know. So to the

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Speaker 1: on this if they want you, of course, and this

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Speaker 1: look at the pattern you had the IRS weaponize. And

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Speaker 1: I know this isn't specifically the IRS. It's the district attorney,

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Speaker 1: it's this long standing investigation, but it's tax coach. That's right.

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Speaker 1: You had the IRS weaponized in an election year, lowest learner,

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Speaker 1: twenty eleven twenty twelve, came out and said, yeah, turned

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Speaker 1: out we were doing you know, extra audits and doing

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Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff to people who had tea party

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Speaker 1: any real consequence for that. No, did that affect the

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Speaker 1: case that when you're suppressing grassroots groups like the Tea

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Speaker 1: can never really fully account for after the fact. But

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Speaker 1: there was no consequence in Clay. This is what we

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Speaker 1: keep seeing. Yeah, they don't get the goods, whether it's

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Speaker 1: to prison over this right there. That's not happening. The

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Speaker 1: everybody else. You know, you're not Donald Trump. You don't

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Speaker 1: have serious resources to try to fight against the government

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Speaker 1: coming after you. Do you really want to stand with Trump?

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Speaker 1: If you runs again? Think about what they did to

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Speaker 1: lawyers in the White House and the Trump administration. People

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Speaker 1: of the professional consequences they face. Imagine now the irs consequences. Well,

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Speaker 1: we just saw the professional consequences for Rudy Giulietti, by

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Speaker 1: the way, who made the exact same arguments as Maya Wiley, who,

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Speaker 1: mayoral candidates, Eric Adams Catherine Garcia, have filed suits already

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Speaker 1: in New York court over the Democratic primary. But to me, Buck,

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Speaker 1: Pennsylvania Supreme Court decision. What both of these tie into

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Speaker 1: You can't investigate the president of the United States like

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Speaker 1: come out and say, hey, after three years and untold

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Speaker 1: at all is improper. They can't do that from a

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Speaker 1: political perspective. And similarly with this Bill Cosby story, what

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Speaker 1: Is it an amazing too that we hear so much

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Speaker 1: listening to this, the left wants to get rid of

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Speaker 1: their qualified immunity. You know who else has actually even

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Speaker 1: greater levels of immunity. Prosecutors. Yeah, prosecutors, people that can

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Speaker 1: we told you yesterday about the breaking news with Bill Cosby.

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Speaker 1: a fact, Buck, from when I was in college and

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Speaker 1: Washington DC, A lot of the professors would come to

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Speaker 1: teach as guest professors and they would get better apartments

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Speaker 1: or better living conditions. Then they might otherwise have been

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Speaker 1: able to afford. This happens all the time, and I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying it's perfect from a tax code related benefit,

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Speaker 1: but three years, think about this, buck, three years when

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Speaker 1: you're telling everybody you're gonna get Donald Trump and recording

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Speaker 1: to CBS News, what these charges are going to be.

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Speaker 1: Are cars not being appropriately accounted for? This is mickey

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Speaker 1: mouse apartments, This is mickey mouse stuff. This is minor

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Speaker 1: lead the equivalent yeah, JV. The equivalent of, you know,

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Speaker 1: bringing a glorified parking ticket against the former president's company

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Speaker 1: and a guy Weiselberg, the CFO. I believe who is

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Speaker 1: getting you know, personally targeted by this. Who's been with

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Speaker 1: them since the nineteen seventies, so just everyone understands how

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Speaker 1: long back, how far back he goes with them. But

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Speaker 1: you know, there's a book by the civil rights attorney

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Speaker 1: Harvey Silvergate from a while ago. Three felonies, three felonies

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Speaker 1: a day. I don't know how many, yeah, yeah, which

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Speaker 1: is important for everyone to know about because he just

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Speaker 1: goes through how many If somebody was to be an

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Speaker 1: absolute strict textualist as how one could read the law, Yes,

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Speaker 1: there are a lot of areas of the law that

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Speaker 1: people are violating, exceeding authorized use of a computer. There's

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Speaker 1: all these things, and what's terrifying is you actually look

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Speaker 1: at some of the statutes that these involve, and you

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Speaker 1: can get nailed on some of this stuff in ways

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Speaker 1: that people couldn't even imagine. I mean, we're talking about

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Speaker 1: the tax code here. Now, companies have gotten better about this,

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Speaker 1: but you know, for years, people were supposed to pay

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Speaker 1: pay their state sales tax for things that they were

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Speaker 1: purchasing online. That's right. Who was who was really itemizing

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Speaker 1: the itemizing that for years? I mean, who goes, oh wow,

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Speaker 1: I owed, you know, sixty three cents for my state

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Speaker 1: tax and the thing I bought online. Look, that's this

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Speaker 1: is super mickey mouse kind of stuff. But the point

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Speaker 1: is you can always find somebody. I mean when we

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Speaker 1: say with a tax code, you can get someone if

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Speaker 1: you really want to, you really can one hundred percent

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Speaker 1: true Buck. And that goes to prosecutorial power and discretion.

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Speaker 1: And I'll give you an example from my legal training.

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Speaker 1: I took a course at Vanderbilt Law School taught by

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Speaker 1: David Williams, amazing guy called five O one C three Buck.

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Speaker 1: You talked about conservative conservative charities being focused nonprofits profits,

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Speaker 1: the five O one C three organization is the part

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Speaker 1: of the tax code that those organizations are typically founded under.

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Speaker 1: My mind was blown because before I took that course,

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Speaker 1: I believe that the tax code was a rigorous, scientific process.

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Speaker 1: Because at that point in time, I had never made

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Speaker 1: any money. My tax returns were super simple. I was

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Speaker 1: an employee somewhere or not making very bunch of money,

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Speaker 1: and I paid tax on a certain percentage of that income,

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Speaker 1: and that was a simple process. When I understood from

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Speaker 1: that course how all of these different organizations are designed,

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Speaker 1: and how many of them have adopted buck the mantra

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Speaker 1: of every single organization should pay as little tax as

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Speaker 1: they possibly can. That's oftentimes what they're trying to do, right,

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Speaker 1: You don't want to give the government extra money. But

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Speaker 1: when I say that, you could have ten accountants look

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Speaker 1: at the tax returns from every one of these major

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Speaker 1: organizations and they would give you ten different numbers that

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Speaker 1: you owe to pay tax on. That is a sign

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Speaker 1: of how much prosecutorial discretion there is here, because this

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Speaker 1: is an art and what they heoretically have decided to

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Speaker 1: charge the Trump organization with is all total crap. We

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Speaker 1: are talking about parking tickets basically, and the idea that

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Speaker 1: this was sold and it was going to bring down Trump,

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Speaker 1: and it was a massive investigation and all the impact.

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Speaker 1: The only reason I believe they're going to bring charges

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Speaker 1: at all is because buck Sexton. After three years, you

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Speaker 1: can't just throw your hands up and say there's nothing

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Speaker 1: here at all. And there's a long and storied history

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Speaker 1: of corrupt politicians and particularly Democrats. Even Fdr himself used

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Speaker 1: the IRS to harass publishers who were who were opposed

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Speaker 1: to his new deal. He went after William Randolph Hearst. Hearst,

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Speaker 1: he went after the publisher of the Philadelphia Inquirer. Roosevelt

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Speaker 1: used the IRS to go after political rivals like a.

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Speaker 1: Huey Long and Father Coughlin. So this goes back for

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Speaker 1: a long time. And when you start to understand and

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Speaker 1: people will be talking about, you know, what about Lyndon

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Speaker 1: Johnson and what about Nixon? Sure this has gone on,

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Speaker 1: but this is gross, my friends. This is the stuff

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Speaker 1: that we were told wouldn't happen under a Biden administration.

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Speaker 1: And I understand this is the New York District Attorney

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Speaker 1: and not specifically the federal government doing this, but it's

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Speaker 1: the same idea. It's the same application of the state

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Speaker 1: code in some way as a political weapon. And still

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Speaker 1: I still say both the processes the punishment. And you

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Speaker 1: only have to burn down one village to send a

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Speaker 1: message to all the other villagers. You only have to

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Speaker 1: do it one time, or burn down one house rather

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Speaker 1: in the village to send a message. And what you

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Speaker 1: see here is anybody who was thinking, you know what,

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Speaker 1: I really want to be a part You know, I'm

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Speaker 1: a billionaire. I mean I wish I was folks. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: But you know, somebody else speaking other I'm a billionaire.

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Speaker 1: I really want to get involved in helping build the

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Speaker 1: next conservative media platform, or want to I want to

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Speaker 1: back Trump to all the way in twenty twenty four?

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Speaker 1: Do I want the irs to harass my company for

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Speaker 1: the next four years? Do I want my children to

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Speaker 1: suddenly be adult children to suddenly be audited? These are

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Speaker 1: the considerations that even little scyth Vance, the Manhattan District Attorney.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna make everybody who wants to be a part

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Speaker 1: of Trump's orbit going forward. Half you gotta think about

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Speaker 1: this stuff. Maybe you take the risk anyway, but it

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Speaker 1: changes that calculation. I think that's what's so significant about it. Buck.

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Speaker 1: So far, we haven't had Trump touched at all. It's

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Speaker 1: all of the people around him who have less resources

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Speaker 1: and who are able to They're just trying to put

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Speaker 1: the squeeze on them with relatively insignificant charges. I think

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Speaker 1: it's a great point you bring up. How many people

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Speaker 1: that are wildly talented and would be otherwise interested in

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Speaker 1: going into politics are deciding not to because of the

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Speaker 1: toxicity of everything surrounded the political process. I think Trump's

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Speaker 1: you had a great life, a great family, plenty of money.

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Speaker 1: You want the goons of the deep state to after you?

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Speaker 1: The irstic, I'm knocking on your door. I don't think so.

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Speaker 1: But we have a big Supreme Court decision that came

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Speaker 1: down to day sixty three about voting rights out of Arizona.

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Speaker 1: We'll bring you up to speed on that, plus more

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Speaker 1: reaction to Cosby and the one hundredth anniversary of the

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Speaker 1: founding of the Chinese Communist Party. Really the most troubling

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Speaker 1: and long term strategic threat in the world right now,

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Speaker 1: the Chinese Communist Party. So Clai I'll be talking about

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Speaker 1: about that coming up with you here in just a bit.

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Speaker 1: If you want to call in eight hundred two eight

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Speaker 1: and Buck for your freebag of Roughgreen. Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. I am Buck Sexton.

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Speaker 1: We got my man Clay Travis right here with me.

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Speaker 1: We are breaking down all of the latest from the

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Speaker 1: charges brought against the Trump organization. This is look. We

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Speaker 1: all know that there's a there's a mania against Trump

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Speaker 1: for the left absolutely despises this guy. In a way

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Speaker 1: that is truly unhealthy. I mean, people would talk about

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Speaker 1: Trump derangement syndrome, and I think that it should be

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Speaker 1: what is that in the Merk manual or something. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Trump arrangement syndrome should actually be classified as a true

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Speaker 1: mental illness because people have lost many of them, and

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Speaker 1: they particularly they tend to work at the New York Times,

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Speaker 1: the Washington Post and CNN. They've lost all objectivity and

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Speaker 1: rationality as a result of their hatred for this guy.

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Speaker 1: But it's it's it's interesting to me Clay because he

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Speaker 1: brought up being a fighter, which he certainly is. Do

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Speaker 1: you think at some level here, I mean, they're they're

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Speaker 1: poking the bear. They're poking the bear. They're going, you

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Speaker 1: know here, there is this whole school of thought. He's

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Speaker 1: kicked off social media. Maybe we lay know he's a billionaire,

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Speaker 1: he likes mar Lago, he's got the beautiful wife, he's

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Speaker 1: got the kids and the grandkids. They could back off

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Speaker 1: if they were reasonable and being you know, normal people,

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Speaker 1: but they won't. And so maybe in a sense this

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Speaker 1: is getting you know, right when he's about to get

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Speaker 1: back on the trail. I feel like this fuels the

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Speaker 1: Trump fire. Not only does it fuel the Trump fire,

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Speaker 1: it makes him still a story. The best thing I

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Speaker 1: think they could do if I were advising the Democratic

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Speaker 1: Party right now, I would move on from Trump and

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Speaker 1: try to go after the younger guns of the Democrat

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Speaker 1: of the Republican Party right and I think starting to

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Speaker 1: try to pivot, go after de Santis, go after people

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Speaker 1: that you believe could be the next face of the

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Speaker 1: Republican Party. Instead, it reminds me of the Godfather. Every

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Speaker 1: time I think I'm out, they just pull me back in.

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Speaker 1: For anybody out there who remembers that iconic film, they

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Speaker 1: won't let Trump right off into the sunset. They need vengeance.

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Speaker 1: That's really what the insurrection in quotation marks is about,

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Speaker 1: Buck right. It's not about the insurrection itself. It's that

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Speaker 1: there has to be some consequence for Trump. We can't

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Speaker 1: allow these four years to have passed. We need a

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Speaker 1: pound of flesh. He needs to be punished. He has

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Speaker 1: to be punished for his bah not enough for him

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Speaker 1: to lose. And in fact, coming up in the next hour, Clan,

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Speaker 1: I'll talk to you about how now they're claiming there's

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Speaker 1: a bipartisan congressional commission into the insurrection, which we put

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Speaker 1: it out, was the number one story of the New

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Speaker 1: York Times yesterday, which was just absurd and unlaughable because

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Speaker 1: this is what they do now. They've just got to say, oh, well,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's been five months or whatever it is,

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Speaker 1: So we got to just do a story because it's

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Speaker 1: time for the insurrection to get the attention that we

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Speaker 1: think on the left it deserves. By the way, if

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Speaker 1: we've done Black Lives Matter insurrection investigation, which was happening

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Speaker 1: everywhere all over the country with far more dire consequences

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Speaker 1: than the one time Republicans Misbay, so who's crossing the

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Speaker 1: aisle to join Pelosi in the continued insurrection exaggeration? We'll

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Speaker 1: give you that. Plus Supreme Court decision comes down six

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Speaker 1: three in favor of Republican efforts in Arizona to actually

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Speaker 1: have some basic voter I mean and I mean basic

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Speaker 1: voter integrity measures. Why do Democrats claim that every measure

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Speaker 1: Republicans take when it comes to elections is racist? Why

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Speaker 1: is everything racist? We will get into that coming up

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Speaker 1: in the next hour. Listening to Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton on the EIB Network