1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 2: This is the Bloomberg Day, baq a podcast. Good morning, 3 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 2: It's Tuesday, the ninth of descent. But I'm Caroline Hepkitt 4 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 2: in London and. 5 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 3: I'm Stephen Caroline Brussels. Coming up today. The US media 6 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 3: giant Paramount makes a hostile bid for Warner Brothers Discovery, 7 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 3: challenging rival Netflix. 8 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 2: European leaders grow closer to an agreement on using frozen 9 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 2: Russian assets to back Ukraine. 10 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 3: Plus the billionaire family behind Volkswagen risks delaying the carmaker's 11 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,240 Speaker 3: recovery amidstrained cash flows. 12 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 2: Let's start with a roundup of our top stories. 13 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:44,879 Speaker 3: The US media giant Paramount has launched a hostile takeover 14 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:48,519 Speaker 3: bid for Warner Brothers Discovery, just days after the company 15 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 3: agreed to a deal with Netflix. The offer stands at 16 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 3: thirty dollars a share in cash, compared with Netflix's cash 17 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 3: and stock bid of just under twenty eight dollars per share. 18 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 3: US President Donald Trump, whose son and law Jared Kushner, 19 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 3: is participating in the Paramount bid, has downplayed his involvement, 20 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 3: saying he's not close to Paramount or Netflix. 21 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 2: I have to see what percentage of market they are. 22 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 2: We have to see the Netflix percentage of market, paramount 23 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 2: the percentage of market. I mean, none of. 24 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 3: Them are particularly great friends in mine. President Trump speaking 25 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,039 Speaker 3: there from the Oval Office and a paramount wants to 26 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 3: buy all of Warner Brothers, while Netflix is seeking only 27 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 3: the Hollywood studios, HBO and the streaming business. If paramounts 28 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:32,960 Speaker 3: but as successful, it wouldn't need approval from the FCC 29 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 3: or Congress. Its combined shares with Warner Brothers in the 30 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 3: streaming market would be lower than in the Netflix deal, 31 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 3: according to Bloomberg Intelligence. 32 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 2: Now European leaders are growing confident they will reach a 33 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 2: deal to use frozen Russian assets to back a ninety 34 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 2: billion euro reconstruction loan for Ukraine, but there is still 35 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 2: a gulf between Ukraine's European allies and the US on 36 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 2: providing security guarantees Sakiev to protect the country from future 37 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 2: Russian aggression. It comes after talks in London with the 38 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 2: leaders of the UK, France and Germany and Ukraine's President Vladimizelinski, 39 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 2: who emphasized cooperation. Thinks which are worried were inventing unity. 40 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 4: Vivian Europe and Ukraine and also rooted between Europe, Ukraine 41 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 4: and the United States. 42 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 2: Forssatae which we can't manage without Berners, things which we 43 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 2: can't menge without Europe, and that's what we need to 44 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 2: makes half important decisions. Ukraine's Vladimizelinski there, who left London 45 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 2: to head to Brussels and onto Italy today. The next 46 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 2: stage in the plan on Frosian Russian assets is a 47 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 2: leader's meeting in Brussels on the eighteenth of December. 48 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:48,919 Speaker 3: The US President has given Nvidia his approval to ship 49 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 3: its H two hundred AI chips to China in exchange 50 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 3: for a twenty five percent SIR charge. In a social 51 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 3: media post, Donald Trump said the Chinese president Shei Jenping, 52 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:01,679 Speaker 3: had responded favor to the move, which could see the 53 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 3: world's most valuable company regain billions of dollars in last 54 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 3: business from a key global market. Here's Bloomberg's Annabel droolers, 55 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:10,639 Speaker 3: this is. 56 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 5: Actually the sharpest pivot we've seen yet on China's access 57 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 5: to this technology. I think the key question, and what 58 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 5: we've been discussing on warning is really even with H 59 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 5: two hundred sales, will Chinese companies be allowed to purchase 60 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 5: they weren't allowed to purchase H twenty, but at the 61 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 5: same time, H two hundred is a significantly more advanced 62 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 5: ship than H twenty, which was designed specifically for the 63 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:33,519 Speaker 5: mainline market. 64 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 3: Donald Trump paut of the chipments would only go to 65 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 3: approved customers, and the chip makers such as Intellent AMD 66 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 3: would also be eligible. Democratic senators, including Elizabeth Warren, have 67 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 3: criticized Trump's move, warning that giving China the new chips 68 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 3: would be a colossal economic and national security failure. 69 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 2: Now, Unilever's new spin off, the Magnum ice Cream Company, 70 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 2: was valued lower than some analysts expected in its debut 71 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 2: on the Amsterdam Stock Exchange. Magnum shares closed at twelve 72 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 2: euros ninety seven each on Monday, giving the company a 73 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 2: market value of seven point nine to four billion euros. 74 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 2: Shares also debuted in London and New York as part 75 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 2: of the triple listing. Bloomberg's Freddie Fullston has. 76 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:19,480 Speaker 6: More just under eight billion euros. The market cap of 77 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 6: what is now the world's largest stand alone ice cream 78 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 6: company came out lower than analysts expected on Monday. Magnum, 79 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 6: which was formerly Unilever's least profitable division, wants to use 80 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 6: its new independence to focus on growth amid an uptick 81 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 6: in health conscious consumers. The company's CEO said Magnum needed 82 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 6: to grow one to two percent faster. Analysts at Jeffrey's 83 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 6: as humor more settled. Price won't be established until at 84 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:52,840 Speaker 6: least next week. In London, Freddie Fulston Bloomberg Radio. 85 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 3: US treasury reels climbed to the highest and more than 86 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 3: two months on Monday, comes with a slump and global 87 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 3: barns ahead of the Federal Reserve interest decision tomorrow. Some 88 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 3: traders have Warren to the US Central Bank may signal 89 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 3: a slower pace of easing ahead. Traders and I see 90 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:09,840 Speaker 3: a roughly ninety percent chance of the Central Bank called 91 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 3: deliver a third straight quarter point reduction to interest rates 92 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 3: to a range of between three and a half and 93 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:19,280 Speaker 3: three point seventy five percent. Tenure Treasury yields up a 94 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:22,359 Speaker 3: basis point this morning at four point one seven percent. 95 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 2: Black Friday discounts failed to prevent a slow down in 96 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:30,559 Speaker 2: UK retail sales, adding to evidence that speculation of tax 97 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 2: rises ahead of the autumn budget damaged consumer confidence. A 98 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:38,599 Speaker 2: report by the British Retail Consortium shows total retail sales 99 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 2: increase by just one point four percent year on year 100 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 2: in November. That was below the twelve month average and 101 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 2: the weakest pace since May. The CEO of the group, 102 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 2: Helen Dickinson, said that pre budget jitters among shoppers met 103 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 2: the month of Black Friday did not deliver as strongly 104 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 2: as retailers had hoped. 105 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 3: Those are your top stories on the markets. The I 106 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 3: Asia Pacific Index is down by half of one percent. 107 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 3: The Hangksang's one point three percent lower. This morning. Tech 108 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:09,239 Speaker 3: shares are weighing on that index. The Hangksang Tech Index 109 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:11,600 Speaker 3: down by one point nine percent. European stock futures a 110 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 3: little after this morning pretty flat on Wall Street. We 111 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:17,479 Speaker 3: talked about treasury eels rising further today. Bimberg Dollar spot 112 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 3: index flat as Fed policymakers go into their decision. The 113 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 3: euro a touch stronger at one sixteen forty three. 114 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 2: Those are the markets. In a moment, we'll be discussing 115 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 2: why the family controlling Europe's largest car maker is worried 116 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 2: about dividend payments. But before that, want to get to 117 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 2: our top story. This is the bidding war for Warner Brothers. 118 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 2: Discovery Paramount's sky Dance has Now made a hostile bid 119 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:47,159 Speaker 2: of thirty dollars per share in cash versus Netflix's offer 120 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 2: in cash and stock. Manual by Gory, who leads our 121 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 2: deals team in Asia, joins us now for more. Manuel, 122 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 2: good morning. There are two bids on the table. What 123 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 2: happens next? 124 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 4: Two bids on the two Indeed, what a fascinating story. Uh, 125 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 4: what a fascinating deal that we have here. It's just 126 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 4: a tremendous right, It's just uh, you know, all the ingredients, 127 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 4: all the great ingredients that we as journalist and observers 128 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 4: want to see in a magnificent deal of this caliber. 129 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 2: What's next? 130 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 4: Well, there is a biding war, and is in any 131 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 4: bidding war, you know, the next steps the next few 132 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 4: days will be a key. 133 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 2: Uh. 134 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 4: Paramount has said that they want to give ten days 135 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 4: for Warner Brothers to UH to evaluate the proposal. Obviously, 136 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 4: you know, two different proposals on the table, one for 137 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 4: the whole company in cash by Paramount, the other one 138 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 4: for some of the assets combining cash and stock by Netflix. Now. 139 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 4: Obviously there is a lot of work behind the scenes 140 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 4: with investors, banks, you know. Obviously there is a political 141 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 4: angle here, regular regulatory angle as well. So it's just 142 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:09,119 Speaker 4: a lot of moving pieces. It's a little bit hard 143 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 4: to say how this one is gonna play out. But obviously, 144 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 4: you know, even Donald Trump made some comments to the 145 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 4: potential problem so to speak, that a deal with Netflix 146 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 4: may encounter from anti trust. So one wonders whether you 147 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:34,719 Speaker 4: know that gives and wiggle room for Paramount to make 148 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 4: their case. And obviously, now the big question market is like, 149 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 4: you know, if you're a shareholder of Warner Brothers, do 150 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 4: you want to take the cash and the superior offer 151 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 4: for the whole company or do you believe in the 152 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:54,559 Speaker 4: potential Netflix combination cash and stock. And obviously Netflix has 153 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 4: been a growth story for many years, and obviously Warner 154 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 4: Brothers would spin off some of the assets as they 155 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 4: previously disclosed. So two different proposals. I guess there is 156 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 4: going to be a lot of back and forth also 157 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 4: with some of the key investors, and a lot of 158 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 4: education right from both sides to explain the merits of 159 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 4: each bid. 160 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, indeed, and you mentioned those key anti trust issues 161 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 3: as well, which are being focused too. We've also been 162 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 3: reporting manuel on how the story of the Paramount bid 163 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 3: came together, and it involves Jared Koshner, the son and 164 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 3: now President Trump. 165 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 4: Yes, indeed, and his firm, Affinity Partners, they've been very 166 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 4: active on various deals. We've seen them popping on more 167 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 4: and more this. The reality is, obviously there is a 168 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 4: political angle here, and also bear in mind that there 169 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 4: is you know, a few Middle Eastern funds. We've seen 170 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 4: Guitar Investment Authority, a fund from Abu Dhabi as well, 171 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 4: also back in paramount. Obviously there is like some prominent 172 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 4: investors like Apollo Banks, City Group, Bank of America also 173 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 4: backing the bed as well. And you know, you've got 174 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 4: other high profile names like Redbird Capital Partners or Solarialison, 175 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 4: which at some point this year was the world's richest 176 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 4: person also backstopping some of the financing there. So some 177 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:31,439 Speaker 4: really big names. There is definitely the more broader geopolitical 178 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 4: angle into it as well. Yeah, just just tons of 179 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 4: great ingredients for a fascinating story to follow. But it's 180 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 4: gonna be interesting to see how Warner Brothers respond to 181 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 4: this because obviously they also on the board needs to 182 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 4: respond to the ultimate benefit of you know, what's best 183 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 4: for shareholders, right, so that will be definitely the key 184 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:04,719 Speaker 4: to any transaction bid ultimately ends up being superior. And now, 185 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 4: obviously there could be all their moves, right like what 186 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 4: if Netflix makes a move and tries to increase the bid, 187 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 4: or whether another country bidder shows up. Obviously there has 188 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 4: been reports to Comcast also was looking at it, so 189 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:27,959 Speaker 4: there could be other interesting twists and turns on this situation. Again, 190 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 4: I think the next few days and weeks will be 191 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 4: quite critical, and then, needless to say, the regulatory approvals, 192 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 4: you know, that could be a bit of a bumpy 193 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 4: road as well. 194 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, some of us are observers saying that this is 195 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 2: really all about the future of Hollywood, of what is 196 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 2: going to shape this kind of entertainment landscape in the US. Manuel, 197 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 2: Thanks for being with us. Manuel by Gory, who leads 198 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:54,719 Speaker 2: our deals team in Asia covering the Bidding Wolf for 199 00:11:54,960 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 2: Warner Brothers Discovery. Stay with us. More from Bloombery Daybake 200 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 2: You coming up after this. 201 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:05,680 Speaker 3: Before we get into our next story, Carlin, I just 202 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 3: wanted to mention something that I've been reading this morning 203 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 3: from our food editor Kate Crater as well. She has 204 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 3: a warning more for you than for me, actually, if 205 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 3: you're planning on going essentially anywhere in London before Christmas. 206 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 3: If you haven't booked, good luck finding a table now. 207 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:21,559 Speaker 3: She's been looking at some of the polling data which 208 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 3: says that people in London are actually eating out less, 209 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 3: or people in Britain rather eating out less because of 210 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:28,559 Speaker 3: cost of living concerns compared to a year ago. But 211 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 3: actually some of the restauranteurs that she's spoken to are 212 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 3: telling an opposite story. The CEO of Hawksmore was speaking 213 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 3: to Bloomberg Television recently said bookings are up around fifteen 214 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 3: percent compared to last year. Other big well known restauranteurs 215 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 3: in London saying it's about five percent higher as well now, 216 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 3: the CEO of Hawksmore saying that perhaps this is people 217 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 3: trying to cheer themselves up going into a Christmas season 218 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 3: after maybe a difficult year financially as well. It's one 219 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 3: of the things I have to said don't miss about 220 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 3: London as you do have to book restaurants very far 221 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:57,679 Speaker 3: in advance. 222 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I haven't have walked past the Fowksmore in St 223 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 2: PANCRASONI yesterday and I perused the menu, which actually was 224 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 2: in a nice glass box outside. You do have to 225 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:09,560 Speaker 2: book early. I get that if you're going to be 226 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:11,559 Speaker 2: spending big. You know, you want to know that it's 227 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 2: going to be lovely personally, I'm trying to return to 228 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 2: the dying art of the dinner party, but I love 229 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 2: Kate Craidor's piece. 230 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 3: Open a linked in our podcast show Notes. Let's turn 231 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 3: it to another story recovering this morning. The family that 232 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 3: controls Volkswagen risks delaying the carmaker's recovery by pushing for 233 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 3: dividends during an overhaul. Creating profits at VW and Porsche 234 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:36,319 Speaker 3: have put Hans Michelle Peek on edge about dwindling payments. 235 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 3: Our German Altos a porter. Monica Raymonds joins us now 236 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 3: for more. Monica, good morning. Can you first explain the 237 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 3: background to this to us? Why are the families so 238 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:45,959 Speaker 3: reliant on dividends from the VW group. 239 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 1: So, the Porsche and pH families, through their holding business, 240 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: they have a majority control of the voting shares at Volkswagen, 241 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 1: and through that family holding company, they get much of 242 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 1: the dividends that come from Volkswagen and now from from Portia. 243 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 1: And those dividend payments have long supported the families some 244 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 1: thirty members, and as those dividends shrink, that means the 245 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 1: families are getting less and less of a payout. 246 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 2: And so the question whether this could push to derail 247 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 2: the recovery at v W. 248 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: Yes. So that's the risk that Volkswagen faces right now 249 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 1: that this push for dividends could really slow or gum 250 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 1: up Volkswagen's recovery. The German car industry has had several 251 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 1: challenges to tackle, and Volkswagen really has seen some of 252 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: the biggest challenges. The family's interest in maintaining dividends threatens 253 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 1: to stall the bigger changes to make this uh, this 254 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 1: company a lot more competitive. The issue is that Volkstegen 255 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 1: is really under major margin pressure, not just from cyclical 256 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 1: factors like US tariffs or economic slowdown in China, but 257 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: also from really changing structures within the auto industry. The 258 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 1: car industry is switching to EVS, software is becoming a 259 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 1: lot more important. There are new business models coming up, 260 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 1: and a lot of this requires heavy spending and quick action. 261 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 1: Now the family is a bit reticent to make drastic 262 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 1: changes because those bring risks, and those can also impact 263 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: how big those dividends are. 264 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 3: Monica, what about the outlook from here for the company. 265 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 3: Will some of those challenges ease over time or what's 266 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 3: the expectation. 267 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 1: So Volkswagen is taking is making efforts to make a 268 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 1: lot of changes, but it's really being squeezed from all 269 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 1: directions and a lot of these pressures and disruptions are really. 270 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 2: Long term challenges. 271 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 1: So we're seeing the company is face seeing issues in China. 272 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: After the pandemic, they sort of lost sight of all 273 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 1: the changes that were taking on the taking part on 274 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 1: the Chinese market and that meant that they lost a 275 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 1: lot of market share there and they're not They're struggling 276 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: to keep up with Chinese competitors. Essentially, in Europe they're 277 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: facing rising energy and materials costs, higher labor costs, and 278 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: in the US we have the tariff impact folks. 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