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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hi. Hello, Hi, I'm Elizabeth.

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Speaker 3: Hey, what's up? Clyde?

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Speaker 2: What's up? Zaren?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Do you know it's ridiculous?

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, I do Elizabeth hit d n A.

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Speaker 2: That is so ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: Right, yeah, that's it. Roll credits.

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Speaker 2: OK, So honestly talk this is brought to you back.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. The thing I wanted to tell you about.

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Speaker 2: Is I've been This is a production of My Heart Radio.

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Speaker 3: Science is like a thing I care about, as you know, right,

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Speaker 3: and I really bothered now because of how people are

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Speaker 3: doing science. It's I mean, it was bad enough when

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Speaker 3: it was like, oh how do I fight to get

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Speaker 3: a grant like publish in Parish? Right now it's like

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Speaker 3: my science is actually AI and I'm going to have

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Speaker 3: an NFT And it's just like so annoying because everything's

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Speaker 3: being compromised. So I want there to be real science.

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Speaker 3: And the gender stuff has made it also a lot

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Speaker 3: of science be corrupted now because they're trying to use stuff.

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Speaker 3: So like, I just like to prove to people that

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Speaker 3: you we sciences do not know fully all the stuff

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Speaker 3: that everybody who doesn't know science is so certain about.

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Speaker 3: If you ask the scientists, they are like, actually, we

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Speaker 3: don't know that for certain up telling the people that

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Speaker 3: this is. For instance, there was this story right about

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Speaker 3: this woman. She had a baby with her husband. Right then,

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Speaker 3: for whatever reason, she gets a DNA test and then

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Speaker 3: the DNA test comes back that the father is not

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Speaker 3: the father, and the mother's like, no, it has to

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Speaker 3: be you. I didn't sleep with anyone. He's like, yeah, right,

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Speaker 3: who is the father? Right, and so he's like they

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Speaker 3: get another test, right, and then they get tested again

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Speaker 3: and again. Every single time it comes up that he's

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Speaker 3: not the father and it's somebody else, and he's getting pissed, right,

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Speaker 3: So the family they get divorced, right, Yeah, it's bad.

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Speaker 3: And then the father doesn't want to have anything to

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Speaker 3: do with this child. It's not his it's evidence of

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Speaker 3: his wife's cheating. Right, So he then like, you know,

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Speaker 3: for whatever reason, they don't talk. Years later, another DNA

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Speaker 3: to get this man's you know, DNA I guess, or

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Speaker 3: the father is actually the uncle of so this guy's brother.

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Speaker 3: This guy's like, I don't have her brother. I'm an

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Speaker 2: Someone adopted out.

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Speaker 3: No, Elizabeth, you know you love parasitic twins, God, I do.

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Speaker 3: So this guy in Utero had a twin brother that

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Speaker 3: he ate or absorbed, and then it's still in his body.

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Speaker 3: His DNA is floating around in his body. You can

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Speaker 3: find it in different parts of his body. So apparently

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Speaker 3: some of it, a lot of it settled in his

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Speaker 3: testes because he made the sperm. His brother made the

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Speaker 3: So you have his parasitic twin fathered his son or

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Speaker 2: Wait a second, I'm trying to, like my the gears

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Speaker 3: A man's unborn twin fathered the child that caused him

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Speaker 3: our certainty that the DNA says, it's not how this works. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: don't be so certain about this stuff. The DNA people,

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 3: Because of things like this, did.

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Speaker 2: The couple get back together?

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Speaker 3: I did, wish I had that update for you. Are ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: Wow, that's one hundred percent ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, make mind blowingly it really is.

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Speaker 2: Now I'm going to be like, you know what, also ridiculous,

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Speaker 2: repeated maulings, repeated maulings. This is ridiculous crime A podcast

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Speaker 2: about absurd and outrageous capers, heists, and cons. It's always

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Speaker 2: ninety nine percent murder free and one hundred percent ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: I know you heard that.

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Speaker 2: Let me let me preface this story with the fact

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Speaker 2: that no one gets arrested or sued. I'm just kind

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Speaker 2: of shocking when you hear it. There are so many

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Speaker 2: crimes and OSHA violations, Okay that just never get reported naturally.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm worked on I've worked on a lot of

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Speaker 2: I assert that there are plenty of crimes here. But

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Speaker 2: like I said, no one gets arrested, no one appears

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Speaker 3: Okay, but there is a crime. Oh it's not one

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Speaker 3: of my stories where like Zarah, this is a crime

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Okay, So in other News. You gotta love

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Speaker 2: Tippy Hedron.

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Speaker 3: Oh hell yeah, just to change gears. Why not also

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, she's an actress, model, insanely interesting woman. Yes,

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Speaker 2: she's still kicking ninety four years old.

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Speaker 3: On you, Tippy. She lives up here, doesn't you?

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Speaker 2: Nor in California, No, southern California. I understand.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I might be wrong. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I haven't doxed her, Elizabeth, I do not know.

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Speaker 2: You know what, It's okay, none of us know. Just

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Speaker 2: like real scientists, we don't know exactly. She's Melanie Griffiths mom.

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Speaker 2: Former mother in law. Whoah. So she started out as

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Speaker 3: Good place to do it, Big Coyote. Better than Kansas City. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: She was successful, she was a cover girl. Good and

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Speaker 2: then so she married. She's married to this guy named

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Speaker 2: Peter Griffith. She marries he's an actor, not Peter Griffin.

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Speaker 2: Family cartoon from family guys.

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Speaker 3: That would be difficult.

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Speaker 2: She did not marry a cartoon two dimensional love is

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Speaker 2: really with a different name. Peter Griffin. This is Peter Griffin.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for clearing that for me. I was totally

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Speaker 3: picturing them together. I'm like, I met here a two couple.

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Speaker 2: I ship found out about it, and I got really confused,

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Speaker 3: That's why you were doing that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And then all of a sudden, I was like, oh, wait, no,

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Speaker 2: You're on the wrong way with this, Okay, I am

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Speaker 2: all right. So nineteen fifty one, Peter was seventeen and

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Speaker 2: he was on a show called The Aldrich Family, not

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Speaker 3: I think I've seen a title card, have you. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Like you know, like on the internet pictures where they're

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Speaker 2: Tippy was twenty one at the time. She was doing

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Speaker 2: she tripped on her own foot, okay, and she fell

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Speaker 2: into his arms and then they fell in love. I'm

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Speaker 3: She tripped into his arms and they fell in love

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Speaker 2: And he looked at her and he was like hubba, hubba, hubba.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, He's like, I am warm for your form

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Speaker 2: they had a daughter, Melanie, later known for her work

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Speaker 3: I love that movie Working Girl.

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Speaker 2: In the Malagro Beanfield War.

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Speaker 2: Bonfire the van I know that.

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Speaker 3: I watched that in school, like in high school. Clearly

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Speaker 3: I did not watch it in that class because I

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Speaker 2: Redford's in that, Yeah, Bonfire of the Vanities. She's also

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So Tippy Tippy and the non cartoon guy they

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Speaker 3: So they divorced sixty one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they divorced the sixty one. Tippy's holding it down

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Speaker 2: Peter not a cartoon. He was a philandering drunk, so

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Speaker 2: along with four other ex wives. So that's just okay.

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Speaker 3: Now we get a lot about Peter.

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Speaker 2: I totally understand.

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Speaker 3: So he's kind of like, who's the guy from Hogan'

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Speaker 2: So after the divorce, Tippy and Melanie they moved to California.

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Speaker 3: Crane, Bob Crane, Bob Crane. There you go, they're in California.

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Speaker 2: They're in California. They moved to Sure and Oaks.

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Speaker 2: Not cheap living, no, No, And it's kind of like

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Speaker 2: Yeah? And her career, Your career wasn't the same as it?

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Speaker 2: No, And she starts to kind of panic and she

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Speaker 3: She's an older model. Yeah, well on a new town.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Alfred Hitchcock had been watching the Today Show and

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Speaker 2: two hundred and twenty five calories of can and you

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Speaker 2: can's the dinner, so that you would eat nine thousand

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Speaker 2: allowed to nine hundred calories, gotcha? And hitch is like,

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Speaker 2: you know, that's great, but let's talk about the lady. Like,

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Speaker 2: you know, so he loved her in the commercial. He's

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Speaker 3: Hitchcock's like, I have no interest in meal replacement until now.

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Speaker 2: Until now, And he's like, you know what, I want

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Speaker 2: to sign her to a seven year contract. Wow, based

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Speaker 2: on her slinging you know, the early version of slim

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Speaker 2: fast that's nuts slim fast. That eliminates the sense ofble dinner, but.

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Speaker 3: They still had like a benz adrene in it. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so Hitchcock. He made Tippy do a two day

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Speaker 2: color screen test.

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Speaker 3: Two day wow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and she was a trooper. She nailed everything. She

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Speaker 2: had to do stuff from like his films at had already.

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Speaker 3: Switching outfits, costumes, all that.

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Speaker 2: Yet Yeah, Hitchcock gets like obsessed.

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Speaker 2: Satan's Harvests, Oh God, released in nineteen seventy and Miss

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Speaker 2: Satan's Harvest synopsis. When his uncle is killed in a

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Speaker 3: Deep in the green. So this sounds like a knockoff

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Speaker 2: spouse will not accommodate either the English or Italians, threatening

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Speaker 3: There's going to be an animal preserve or sanctuary. There's

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Speaker 2: So she and her husband Nol, they're in Africa for

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Speaker 3: Yeah, imagine they haven't animal sanctuary. Loved it.

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Speaker 2: Not for me, Tippy and knowl. They went on safari.

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Speaker 2: They saw something cool. They saw an abandoned game warden's

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Speaker 2: You know, we ought to make a movie about this,

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Speaker 3: We're going to save the animals with third It's like

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Speaker 2: Show exactly, We're gonna save the community Center. So back

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh yeah. So they had the cast, they had

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Speaker 3: They got their lions.

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Speaker 2: So let's take a break.

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Speaker 2: listen to an obscene number of vets for days. We're

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Speaker 3: Raw, yeah, roar.

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Speaker 3: That for a movie called or You Met Your Bottom Dollar.

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Speaker 2: So they started talking to people in Hollywood who had lions, okay,

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And then you know what, they're like, you know what,

438
00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:22,600
Speaker 2: we don't want trained animals anyway, Like I wanted to

439
00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:26,440
Speaker 2: be realistic. I want the cats acting natural totally.

440
00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:28,200
Speaker 3: Do you think Henry Ford to give us the car.

441
00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:31,960
Speaker 2: Off? I don't want what you're selling anyway.

442
00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:33,240
Speaker 3: So they buy more lions.

443
00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:39,919
Speaker 2: They hit up zoos, animal control, animal circuses, like jerks

444
00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:42,119
Speaker 2: who thought that the animals would make a good pet,

445
00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:45,320
Speaker 2: but now they're thinking yeah, So they go and they

446
00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:49,080
Speaker 2: pick up animals from just wherever ads in the paper

447
00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:52,760
Speaker 2: and they take them to their house in Sherman Oaks,

448
00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:59,720
Speaker 2: collecting multiple large jungle cats hanging out in the house

449
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:01,000
Speaker 2: Sherman Hoods.

450
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:06,200
Speaker 3: And then and they're not trained as people, no, no.

451
00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,800
Speaker 2: So when they when that got too crowded and the

452
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:10,480
Speaker 2: neighbors complain and the.

453
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,439
Speaker 3: Like circus cars like where they just put in.

454
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:18,439
Speaker 2: So the lions are trashing the furniture in the house.

455
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:22,720
Speaker 2: They're in the house, they're eating the sofa. They loaded

456
00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,120
Speaker 2: all the animals up and they took them to a

457
00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:29,080
Speaker 2: compound that they bought in Solidad Canyon. It's like kind

458
00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:32,160
Speaker 2: of between Palmdale and Santa Clarita in the middle of nowhere,

459
00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,159
Speaker 2: the mountains north of La for No, California.

460
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:36,440
Speaker 3: Exactly largely unhabited.

461
00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:39,840
Speaker 2: So you asked about like did they take a circus trolley?

462
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:40,240
Speaker 3: Sure?

463
00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:47,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, they loaded the animals into a station wagon like

464
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:47,960
Speaker 2: I mentioned.

465
00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:48,760
Speaker 3: Like a circus train car.

466
00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:52,280
Speaker 2: But the ball took a lot of trips, like early

467
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:54,679
Speaker 2: station wagon.

468
00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:56,320
Speaker 3: Are you kidding with the word paneling?

469
00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:59,120
Speaker 2: They're like load up two by two Noah's ark, get

470
00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 2: in here in the back so solidad canyon, right. They

471
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:07,479
Speaker 2: bought land and a compound there from Steve Martin.

472
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:09,399
Speaker 3: Okayann, not that.

473
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,959
Speaker 2: Steve Steve Martin, the working wildlife animal trainer.

474
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:16,159
Speaker 3: Oh that's the one whose career I followed exactly.

475
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:22,399
Speaker 2: So of the compound, Tippy said, quote, are lions, tigers, elephant,

476
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 2: leopards and panthers. Actually leopards and black coats rather than

477
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 2: spotted ones, were joined by a few cougars. And then

478
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:34,680
Speaker 2: she also pointed out that quote their teeth are virtual

479
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,439
Speaker 2: peatrie dishes of bacteria, and being bitten is inevitable.

480
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,320
Speaker 3: Wait where did that come in? You know, really let

481
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,560
Speaker 3: and being real cool and so knowing all that you

482
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 3: haven't been.

483
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 2: Bitten, that knowledge was in her head swimming around and

484
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:56,439
Speaker 2: still she and Noel, her husband, bought up one hundred

485
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 2: and fifty big cats.

486
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:02,200
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, you just jungle fifty.

487
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 2: One hundred and fifty on forty acres of scrub land.

488
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,640
Speaker 2: Some of the lions are like five hundred pounds.

489
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, how much is the fencing just for this?

490
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 2: The cost is outragious fencing.

491
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:18,360
Speaker 3: And then you get into the meat.

492
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 2: They turn this compound, this ranch into the set for

493
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 2: the movie. That's where they're going to film this New Africa.

494
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 2: This is New Africa. And they tried to get all

495
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 2: diddyan and done and like work together and brainstorm the plot.

496
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 2: And Nol was going to write the script and the

497
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 2: overall theme would be about protecting wildlife. And so they

498
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,480
Speaker 2: shop the idea around and no one wants to play

499
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 2: the male lead. They're just like, this makes no sense.

500
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:47,359
Speaker 2: This is terrible.

501
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 3: This is a terrible van try to do anything.

502
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:53,440
Speaker 2: With untrained, large, dangerous animals. So Nol's like, well, I

503
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,439
Speaker 2: guess I'll play the part. I'll do it. He's not

504
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 2: an actor, by the way, he's an agent.

505
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's an agent and a and he's.

506
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 2: Dabbling and producer work at this point. So for the

507
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,640
Speaker 2: animal cast, we're.

508
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 3: Talking, why didn't Griffith do it? He's the actor.

509
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,360
Speaker 2: Well he's long gone, he's drunk, he's married a bunch

510
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 2: of others.

511
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 3: All right, They can't bring him back into the full now.

512
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:20,679
Speaker 2: So the New Yorker said they had quote one hundred

513
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 2: and thirty two big cats, one elephant, three out doaded sheep,

514
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 2: and a collection of ostriches, flamingos, maribou, storks, and black swans. Wow, yeah, okay,

515
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,400
Speaker 2: well they maybe they couldn't fit him in the station back.

516
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 2: According to the Village Voice, there was quote a dangerous stipulation.

517
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 2: None of the animals would be trained. They felt a

518
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 2: cat should be a cat at best. The beasts would

519
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:53,439
Speaker 2: be socialized. Hedrin and the family bottle fed many of

520
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 2: them from infancy and crossed their fingers that the four

521
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:01,439
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty pound grown cat would remember not to pounce,

522
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 2: wrote Hendred and her memoir The Cats of Shambala, so

523
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 2: named for the preserve that they were forced to found

524
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:14,160
Speaker 2: when their neighbors kicked the couts out of Sherman oaks. Quote.

525
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 2: I did think that working with live lions might be

526
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,399
Speaker 2: preferable to live ravens, Like, I'm not sure about that.

527
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 3: Tips, Yeah, no, not at all, Tip, I can tell you.

528
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 2: And so none of them are trained. And the thing

529
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 2: is these animals, yeah, some of them they bought his babies,

530
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 2: but they grow super fast.

531
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,920
Speaker 3: Yes. And also I mean like, okay, let's just say

532
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,360
Speaker 3: you are on a job site and none of your

533
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 3: fellow co workers are trained. That would be a nightmare. Yeah,

534
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 3: Now imagine if they would eat you.

535
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:40,959
Speaker 2: Right, and there you'll go, there you go.

536
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 3: That's it.

537
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,399
Speaker 2: So we've talked about the basic framework of the movie.

538
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 3: Yes, but what's the story Protect the Cat?

539
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 2: You tell me, Sarin. Okay, here's how TV guide describes it. Now.

540
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,679
Speaker 2: A woman brings her children to the African jungle for

541
00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 2: a visit with her long estranged husband, an eccentric scientist

542
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 2: who has dedicated the past several years of his life

543
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 2: to fighting for the preservation of endangered species. A snaffoo

544
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 2: results in the family being met not by the environmentalist, however,

545
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 2: but a pride of ferocious felions. So I'm going to

546
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:21,360
Speaker 2: expand on this. So Noel, he plays Hank, the eccentric scientists.

547
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 2: He's so dedicated to preserving these majestic creatures that he

548
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 2: basically lives with them, Lions, tigers, leopards, all of this

549
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 2: at a compound that he owns in Tanzania Aka.

550
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 3: So this is the story. Yes, this is the story.

551
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 2: So he hangs out there in the movie with his

552
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:43,360
Speaker 2: friend Metivo played by an actor Callo Mativo. Sure, the

553
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 2: wife Madeline played by Tippy She and her three young kids, Melanie, Jerry,

554
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:52,880
Speaker 2: and John played by Melanie Jerry and John your actors.

555
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 2: They live in totally you got they just got lazy

556
00:27:58,359 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 2: with naming the characters.

557
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:03,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, just all right whatever, just their name.

558
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, they you don't answer to these other names. So

559
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 2: they live in Chicago, but they decide to visit Hank

560
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,919
Speaker 2: in Tanzania. That's the setup. Hank goes to pick his

561
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 2: family up at the airport, but Mativo stops him and

562
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,360
Speaker 2: is like, there's a committee coming to review the research

563
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 2: grant that you got for this place, like where you

564
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:25,959
Speaker 2: study on the animals. So they they well know they

565
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,199
Speaker 2: like the grant committee shows up. There's like there are

566
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 2: all sorts of like lion fights errors. Yeah, and so

567
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,439
Speaker 2: the grant committee shows up. One dude named Prentice. He

568
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 2: hates the lions. He just wants to shoot him. This

569
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 2: is a committee about a research grant and sound. Yeah.

570
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 2: Around this time, a fight breaks out between two lions

571
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 2: and Hank like breaks it up, but he gets his hand,

572
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 2: but he gets his hand chomped. In the script, well

573
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 2: not really in the script. As Hank performs first eight

574
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 2: on himself. The tigers attack the committee and some of

575
00:28:58,520 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 2: them get pretty messed up.

576
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 3: The tigers attack commute, yeah.

577
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 2: And they want nothing more to do with it, so

578
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 2: they split. So Hank and Metivo. Then they're like, Okay,

579
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 2: that's right, I forgot We got to pick up your family.

580
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 2: They go to the airport, but they get attacked by

581
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 2: tigers on the way. Yeah, and so Madeline and the

582
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 2: kids they're there. They decide to get on a bus, uh,

583
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 2: and then they pass like ships in the night. So

584
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 2: when they get to the house, it's just full of lions, tigers, cougars,

585
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 2: animal attacks. Big Cat's not the Orange County ladies of

586
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 2: a certain age who go after younger men. Those cougars,

587
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 2: they they weren't rare. So the lions, they're just like

588
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 2: hanging out fighting and stuff. At the house. There's a

589
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 2: zebra carcass in front of the house. Like in the

590
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 2: house's bonkers. The family is terrified. Hank and Mitivo. They

591
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 2: go through all sorts of like animal attack hijinks until

592
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 2: they finally make it back to the compound and the

593
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 2: family they try and escape by boat. There's a lake,

594
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 2: and so they're gonna go to the other side. Yeah,

595
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 2: of course, an elephant rolls up and just rex shop

596
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 2: like destroys the boat. And in the in like the

597
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 2: making of it, apparently like they went through like three

598
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 2: boats where they just had the there was a trainer

599
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 2: for the elephant. He's just like you smash it up

600
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 2: like you just do your business, and oh my god.

601
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 2: The elephants just like in the like grabs it and

602
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 2: string and slams it against the ground. So one of

603
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 2: the kids in the script tries to escape on Hank's motorcycle,

604
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 2: but the big cats come after him and he has

605
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 2: to drive into the lake, and then the family they

606
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 2: swim across the lake and they break into another house

607
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 2: to stay there, but the pride from Hank's place shows

608
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 2: up and surrounds them, but they don't hurt him and

609
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 2: forget about us, and the family's like, well, I guess

610
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 2: they're not one hundred crazy. Maybe they're not so bad

611
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 2: after all. So meanwhile, the Grant committee members who want

612
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,959
Speaker 2: to kill some of the lions, they do so, but

613
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 2: then they get killed by lions of course. Yeah, and

614
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 2: so the whole family and Metivo they head back to

615
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 2: the compound and Madeline and the kids decided to stay

616
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 2: for a week the end. Why not, that's the plot.

617
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 3: If you beat the tigers and the lions and the jaguars,

618
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 3: you should get a week of vacation.

619
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 2: Jaren, This was not an easy shoot. It cost a

620
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 2: fortune before it even began.

621
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 3: We have Melanie Griffith, she actually exists.

622
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 2: I know. Food for the Cats alone was ten thousand

623
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 2: dollars a week.

624
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 3: A week, yeah, in nineteen seventies dollars.

625
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 4: Yeah.

626
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 2: But then they hit a jackpot. Noel had worked on

627
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 2: a film as a producer and it was a hit,

628
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 2: that movie, The Exorcist.

629
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 3: Did They have like a lot of meat, a ton

630
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 3: of money.

631
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 2: Now he's giving all this Exorcist money pouring in so

632
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 2: they can get started, and he just redirects it to

633
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 2: the movie. It was around this time that Tippy did

634
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 2: something that I referenced before, remember how like she went

635
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 2: and helped the Vietnamese refugees. Yeah, so she goes up

636
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 2: to like this place outside in like Gold Country where

637
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 2: they had all these refugees, and then you know, she

638
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 2: teaches them the nails there. She brings her nail tech. Anyway,

639
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 2: So there's Tippy, this elegant, gracious woman, about to film

640
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 2: the gnarliest movie ever. So it September nineteen seventy six,

641
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 2: filming begins. It was supposed to take six months and

642
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 2: cost three million dollars.

643
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 3: Wow.

644
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 2: When all was said and done, it took five years

645
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 2: and it cost seventeen million dollars. The budget blows up

646
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 2: seventeen million. They couldn't abandon the project. They had to

647
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 2: try and make some money there.

648
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 3: We got to recover, yeah, somehow.

649
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 2: So eventually Raw became known as the most dangerous film

650
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 2: ever made, and people also called it the most expensive

651
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 2: home movie ever made. So John said, quote, this is

652
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 2: one of the kids. There didn't seem to be a

653
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 2: sense of urgency to ever get it done. Dad would

654
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 2: film a scene for a week if he thought it

655
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 2: could be better in some way way.

656
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 3: So he's lucky that the kids are like done growing,

657
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 3: because otherwise you'd have one.

658
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. So we got one hundred and fifty big cats,

659
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 2: like thirty tigers, ten leopards, a couple of cheetahs, a

660
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 2: couple of jaguars. The rest are all lions. Yeah, an

661
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 2: elephant or two some zebras. Please keep in mind that

662
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 2: this was not a one and done shoot like a

663
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 2: documentary multiple takes, as John said of lion fights. So

664
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,959
Speaker 2: the basically the movies basic Yeah, and it's just lion fights.

665
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 3: So they just like have like I don't know, a

666
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 3: fire truck with cold water cannons. If they aim at the.

667
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 2: Cat, just call the movie lion fight.

668
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 3: Totally fight.

669
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 2: No, he's taking this like really seriously, and he's a

670
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 2: task master. He keeps everyone on these crazy schedules. This

671
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 2: was his magnum opus and like, to hell with safety.

672
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,479
Speaker 2: It's his family. But he's like whatever, it's costing him

673
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 2: an arm and a leg sometimes literally. And so the

674
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 2: family has to start selling stuff off.

675
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 3: Are they losing crew?

676
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 2: Like? Are people like people are quitting getting sent to

677
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 2: hospitals you'll find out. Yeah, So they sell all the

678
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 2: properties they have, are you kid for this Sherman everything,

679
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 2: so that the only thing left is this compound. Tippy

680
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 2: sells a fur coat that Hitchcock gave her. I mean,

681
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 2: they're just selling everything. The show has to go on.

682
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 2: Then it got really bad, got that February nineteen seventy eight,

683
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 2: towards the end of filming, there's this flood in the

684
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 2: canyon because like, Noel built the set on a dry

685
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:39,320
Speaker 2: creek bed in the floodplain. But then all of a sudden,

686
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,959
Speaker 2: rainy seasons along and in some El Nino year, right,

687
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 2: so all hell breaks loose. Floodwaters destroy the set. Four

688
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 2: members of the sound team had to be rescued, and

689
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 2: then there's this tragedy. Three lions, including Robbie, who's like

690
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 2: the star Lion and the movie. They get shot and

691
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 2: killed by Sheriff's deputies and animal control. After they escaped

692
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 2: the proper pretty headed to a trailer park and like

693
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 2: the officers like, I don't know what to do, And

694
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 2: then Noel and the family are like, you know, you

695
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 2: couldn't use tranquilizer darts?

696
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 3: Are you kidding me?

697
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 2: Yeah? So anyway, Noel finally finished.

698
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 3: They're going to tell somebody how to take care of

699
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 3: a big cat.

700
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:16,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, They're like, you could have tranked them. They're like, yeah,

701
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 2: they were. They were ready to rip the door off.

702
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 3: You could not have them here.

703
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,760
Speaker 2: No, no, we can all do this. Yeah. They finished

704
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 2: the movie. First, he tried to sell it as a

705
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:30,320
Speaker 2: serious adventure film. No takers. Then he does a little

706
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 2: editing and he tries to pitch it for distribution as

707
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 2: a family film. No, and then he's like, I don't know.

708
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 2: But then he makes it a comedy. A comedy okay.

709
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 2: It took five years from when they finish it to

710
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 2: get a distribution deal, and it was finally released in

711
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty one. It only made two million at the

712
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 2: box office. It was never released in the United States.

713
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 2: What no, Like it came out in Germany in a

714
00:35:55,200 --> 00:36:00,720
Speaker 2: hands because we wanted it didn't And it got panned

715
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 2: like they had a thing in the beginning, like no

716
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 2: animals were hurt, but like it's just all the correction

717
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 2: of this film. No, it wasn't a lie, but it

718
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,720
Speaker 2: was like, you're not counting the humans as those animals.

719
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:14,320
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, So it gets panned. It was like it's bonkers,

720
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 2: there's no real plot. Daily Variety called it quote a

721
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 2: born free gone berserk. Yeah, and I tried to watch it,

722
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 2: but it's not streaming anywhere, and it looks like I

723
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 2: could buy a DVD, but it was like one hundred

724
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 2: and twenty dollars and I don't care that much. And

725
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 2: I guess like there's some of the like you know,

726
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 2: cult film theaters, well every now and the yeah, which

727
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 2: I think that we should host a ridiculous crime showing

728
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:45,720
Speaker 2: at a theater of RAR. Totally, so let's make that happen.

729
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 2: But there is a documentary called Roar, The Most Dangerous

730
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 2: Movie Ever Made. I highly recommend it. Watch that, Oh,

731
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 2: I totally did. There are a lot of clips from

732
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 2: the movie. They interview all sorts of people. It's great, Like, seriously,

733
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 2: watch it's so good. Okay, oh please hold we have

734
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 2: some ads coming in right now. When we come back,

735
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 2: I want to walk you through the actual fighting, the

736
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 2: footage that was so out of control and the things

737
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 2: that made this the most dangerous movie ever made. Okay,

738
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 2: so Roar, yeah, give it to me. Ar. That was good.

739
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,240
Speaker 2: The script was terrible. Good, the script was terrible.

740
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,280
Speaker 3: Well they're both not that good. But anyways, the agent

741
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 3: wrote it.

742
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 2: Agent wrote it and started a red flag and directed it.

743
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and produced it to agents. He stuck his

744
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 2: fingers and everything. So the script's terrible. It was a

745
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 2: mestering production, ragtag crew. The cast is all the director's family. Like,

746
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 2: what made it so dangerous? Well, one hundred and fifty

747
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 2: untrained lions, tigers, Cougar's leopards. You can guess what will happen.

748
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 2: So before filming even started, Noel's son John went to

749
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,240
Speaker 2: the set at the compound forty acres in the lion,

750
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 2: a lion named tong Garoo, pinned John down and clamped

751
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,959
Speaker 2: his head on his jaw for twenty five minutes. Wait

752
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 2: what twenty five minutes?

753
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 3: Wow?

754
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, Steve Martin not that Steve Martin was finally able

755
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 2: to distract the lion. So the lion's just sitting there

756
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 2: with the kids messing with him. Steve Martin not Steve

757
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 2: Martin distracts the lion. John like sort of SLINKs and

758
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 2: slithers away and jumps into the lake. Escape him.

759
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 3: He of course, And that's where we get that part

760
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 3: of the plot.

761
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think. So he's like, oh, that Nole's like,

762
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 2: that's fake. So of course, like John goes to the hospital,

763
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 2: gets fifty six stitches, fifty six.

764
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 3: And apparently the tigers just gumming him. Oh yeah.

765
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 2: The cast and the crew. They became regulars at the hospital.

766
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,879
Speaker 2: I bet particularly Noel. They joked like, we're gonna name

767
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 2: this the Noel Marshall Wing, like because he was there

768
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:27,760
Speaker 2: all the time. John said of his initial mauling quote

769
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 2: forst seven years afterward, I had to work with that

770
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 2: full grown male lion and he tried to finish the

771
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 2: job every time it was interrupted, and he didn't like that.

772
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 3: Why did that lion hate you?

773
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 2: I don't know. So, like you can imagine getting mauled

774
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 2: and almost killed before the movie even starts, and your dad,

775
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 2: who is the director, is all no big, like these

776
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 2: things happen places everybody. Show biz, Yeah, it's show basby

777
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 2: And before you ask, no, this was not a union shoot.

778
00:39:58,600 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 3: No.

779
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 2: So if it had been, they would have had to

780
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 2: have two hundred and sixty trainers on set inane. Yeah,

781
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 2: and there's no way it would make it to principal shooting.

782
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 3: He couldn't afford it.

783
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 2: So this is one hundred percent non union production. So action.

784
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 2: Noel got bitten through the hand by a line on

785
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 2: the first day of filming Nice. The wound was so

786
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 2: bad and so immediately infected that doctors thought they might

787
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 2: have to amputate his arm. Damn well, they didn't. They

788
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 2: stitched him up, they sent him back. He got bitten

789
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,720
Speaker 2: ten more times on that very arm during production.

790
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 3: So like sticking out like a sore thumb, but it's

791
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 3: like sticking out like a lion.

792
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 2: Bitthand he's just like gashes and scars and open wounds.

793
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 2: He got mauled a lot, so much that he got

794
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 2: blood poisoning at one point from all the maulings. Is

795
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,320
Speaker 2: he just smell tasty well, and that that poisoned blood.

796
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 2: That's what the makeup artist used, like he had a

797
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:58,359
Speaker 2: makeup artist, and the guy's like, I can't replicate the

798
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 2: actual blood here. So when you're seeing someone attacked by

799
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 2: a lion in the movie and then bleeding, it's real.

800
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:10,359
Speaker 2: The blood's real. All his blood or whoever's getting into

801
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 2: blood chomped on, that's their blood.

802
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:16,479
Speaker 3: The props department for the boy.

803
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 2: It wasn't just John and Nole though basically everybody gets

804
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 2: mauled at some point. The Tippy got it in the

805
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 2: head from a lioness named Cherries. Cherries that center to

806
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 2: the hospital. She came back with thirty eight stitches exactly,

807
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 2: and she didn't just mix it up with lions. She

808
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 2: got her leg crushed by an elephant.

809
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 3: God, she crushed, crushed like it stepped on it.

810
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, she got she contracted gang green, she needed skin

811
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 2: grafts at one point. Yeah, Cherri's got Tippy, but she

812
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,919
Speaker 2: didn't stop there. Okay, Zaren close your eyes.

813
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 3: Oh no, I want you to picture it.

814
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 2: You are an assistant to an assistant director on the

815
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 2: set of Roar Noel Marshall and Tippy Hedron's vanity project.

816
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,720
Speaker 2: You are trying to break into the industry after selling

817
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 2: Dotson's and Resita for the last few years. You are

818
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 2: brimming with excitement. This is a huge opportunity for you.

819
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,720
Speaker 2: So there you are three and a half weeks into production.

820
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 2: You're at the family compound, sitting in a chair under

821
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 2: an old oak tree, watching the crew set up for

822
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:28,879
Speaker 2: a shoot. The director of photography, Yan Debant, has been

823
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 2: yelling at people all morning. He basically only yells, but

824
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 2: you're learning a lot from him. He's got an amazing

825
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:38,320
Speaker 2: eye and that's why you are now watching him argue

826
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 2: with the rest of the crew about his plan to

827
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 2: set up for a shot. Lyons grumble and growl in

828
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 2: the background as Yon tries to convince everyone that the

829
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 2: best way to film the next scene of the family

830
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 2: being chased by the lions is for him to lie

831
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 2: down in a trench with camo netting over him. He'd

832
00:42:56,680 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 2: have his lens sticking out to catch the action. Tippy Hedron,

833
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 2: you can't believe it's her and her kids. They all

834
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,280
Speaker 2: sit in a boat on the lake awaiting their cue.

835
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 2: The wind picks up a bit. There's a slight splashing

836
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,320
Speaker 2: sound from the paddles in the boat as Melanie Griffith

837
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 2: tries to keep it facing the shore. Noel Marshall, his

838
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 2: wild hair and manic beard, going in every direction, shouts

839
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 2: instructions action. The lions all run out from behind some

840
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 2: boulders and head for the lake. On their way to

841
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 2: attack the boat. They roar and cry out it's a

842
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,959
Speaker 2: great shot as they jump over Yon and splash into

843
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 2: the water. Noel wants another pit. The lions grumble as

844
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:40,800
Speaker 2: they're led back behind the rocks. Action. The lions race by, roaring,

845
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 2: crying out. Even as far away as you are, you

846
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 2: can feel their thundering paws vibrating in the ground below you.

847
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 2: They are massive. Noel stands silent for a moment. He

848
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 2: now says it was good, but not exactly what he wanted.

849
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 2: Places people, let's do this again. You notice that the

850
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 2: lions are taking their time going back to their spot.

851
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 2: The handlers get them settled. Burns squawk in the trees.

852
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 3: Action.

853
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 2: The lions take off toward the lake again, but not

854
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:12,720
Speaker 2: with the gusto of the previous takes. They grumble instead

855
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 2: of roar, made lope instead of pounce. Just as Cherry,

856
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 2: the lioness who took a swipe at tippy heads to

857
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 2: the lake, Yon repositions himself in the trench. The camo

858
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 2: netting shifts a little. You have a cat at home,

859
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 2: pickle and sometimes when you're in bed at night, the

860
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 2: cat is snoozing at your feet. Move those feet a

861
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 2: bit and pickles. Predator drive kicks in. She reacts with

862
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 2: lightning speeds and slaps at your feet. Sometimes she leaps

863
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,720
Speaker 2: up and pounces. Sometimes she bites her toes. Through the comforter.

864
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 2: You see Yon move under the cover of the camo netting,

865
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 2: and you are filled with dread because you know what's

866
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 2: going to happen. Cherry looks down the netting with curiosity.

867
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 2: With one swat of her giant paw. She lifts off

868
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 2: the netting and you hear an ungodly scream out when

869
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 2: r off the netting, she also lifted off Yonduband's scalping. Oh.

870
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 2: He jumps out of the trench, grabbing the back of

871
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 2: his head as blood gushes out between his fingers. You

872
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 2: take one look at the scene and you pass out.

873
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 2: You fall to the ground with a sud. You don't

874
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 2: do blood. When you come to, you realize that maybe

875
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 2: Hollywood isn't for you. Hollywood is full of insane, egotistical weirdos,

876
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 2: and you want out back to the dots and dealership

877
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,320
Speaker 2: for you. So I'm.

878
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 3: The scalping.

879
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 2: Scalps so Yondubont scalped by cherries. Literally, he was rushed

880
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 2: to the hospital, where I think they punched his customer

881
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 2: loyalty card. He got one hundred and twenty stitches to

882
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 2: put his scalp back on the back of his head.

883
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 2: So the scar goes from basically one ear to the

884
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 2: other in like this large arch over the top of

885
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 2: his head like headphones line. It's crazy. He spent two

886
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 2: weeks in the hospital.

887
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Now he's a member of the hairclub for men.

888
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then he gets out and he went right

889
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 2: back to the set.

890
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 3: I had a friend who had his head flipped open

891
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 3: like that by a propeller of a boat. Okay, and

892
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 3: that's some crazy surgery to have yoursel.

893
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 2: But Yon Debunt goes back to the set and.

894
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 3: He's a shower. I have to wonder if his anger

895
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 3: helped him, you know, like he just so mad.

896
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 2: He saw the project through to completion. He was there

897
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 2: the whole time. Ball but you know what, the maulings continued.

898
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 2: Assistant director Dorn Cowper. He had his throat slashed by

899
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 2: a lion and he lived. Noel got it again and

900
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,839
Speaker 2: got his legs super messed up. And that's like there's

901
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 2: footage of that.

902
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 3: These big cats are like, you know, killer whales playing

903
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 3: with seals.

904
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:53,320
Speaker 2: Totally, but just with humans or playing with CEO's yachts.

905
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 2: So Melanie Griffith, she got clawed in the face, did she? Yeah?

906
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 2: She had to get fifty stitch is oh god, and

907
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 2: see a plastic surgeon.

908
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 3: Oh wow.

909
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 2: A lot of the maulings were actually used as final

910
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 2: cuts for the movie. Melanie's was not. John Marshall, her stepbrother,

911
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 2: described the incident as such, quote, what happened to Melanie

912
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 2: is she got clawed, but it was kind of embarrassing

913
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 2: because it was only like a five month old lion

914
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 2: maybe a little cub, jumped up from behind Melanie and

915
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,720
Speaker 2: he claw her above and below the eye pretty close,

916
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:30,959
Speaker 2: and their claws are sharp when they're young. We did

917
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 2: send her to a plastic surgeon because the rule was

918
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 2: if anybody got bites or claws in the face or

919
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 2: anything that would show, then you go to a plastic

920
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 2: surgeon and get it done right.

921
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 3: That's the rule. They had a plastic surgeon rule.

922
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 2: I love, Yeah, I love that they have a plastic

923
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 2: surgeon protocol. Like you know, flip through the pages, and

924
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 2: like I said, the mallings continued, which made it, Like

925
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 2: you said, did people quit? That was hard to retain

926
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 2: crew members on one day, like fifteen or eighteen guys

927
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 2: just quick.

928
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:02,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I don't know how.

929
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 4: And I was.

930
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 2: Probably the Yon Dubant day where everyone's like, I am

931
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:07,359
Speaker 2: so one hundred percent out of here.

932
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:10,280
Speaker 3: Yeah I'm seeing blood scarce people, but seeing a tiger

933
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 3: or a lion mall and you're like, okay, I gotta

934
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:13,439
Speaker 3: go back to work.

935
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 2: Mean, when you add it all up, the final tally sure,

936
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 2: seventy people were injured during the making of the movie.

937
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:23,959
Speaker 2: Tippy said, quote, it's amazing no one was killed. Like, well, yeah,

938
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 2: it's a miracle no one was killed. She also did

939
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 2: she didn't think that seventy people got hurt. She told Variety, quote,

940
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,839
Speaker 2: maybe they're talking about people who hit their thumb when

941
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 2: they were pounding on a nail. In five years, I

942
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 2: think there were seven people that were hurt, but not seriously.

943
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:42,839
Speaker 2: When we were making the movie, there were a few instances.

944
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 2: I was hurt, Melanie was hurt. My then husband was

945
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 2: in the hospital so many times. They were going to

946
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:49,359
Speaker 2: name a wang after him.

947
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 3: There's that. Yeah.

948
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 2: Later, Tippy quote acknowledged that it was stupid, beyond belief

949
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 2: to put her family at risk by allowing an animal

950
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 2: with quote no conscious or remorse jeans to roam her.

951
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 3: So the movie's done.

952
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 2: Predatory children, your children movies done. So's the marriage for

953
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:09,720
Speaker 2: Noel Tippy.

954
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 3: I don't know how.

955
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:13,479
Speaker 2: I don't know. Well, a year after finishing the movie,

956
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 2: they divorced and the kids were like they were just

957
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:21,359
Speaker 2: staying together to get the movie done. Yeah, Tippy and

958
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 2: Melanie Griffith, they really downplay their involvement with ror. They

959
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 2: act like it just didn't happen.

960
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:30,879
Speaker 3: If I ever meet Melanie Griffin, the first thing I'm

961
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 3: talking you know, I love all your works starting.

962
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 2: With raw uh Tippy, Like it had an incredible impact

963
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 2: on her. How could she became a serious animal rights activist?

964
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 3: She wasn't before. It was the whole point.

965
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 2: It just intensified it did it more so. She she

966
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 2: still oversees and lives at the compound now eighty acres

967
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 2: and it's called Shambala Preserve. It's populated by lions and

968
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 2: tiger that need rescue, so they take them in. And

969
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 2: then she has the Roar Foundation, which like you're not

970
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 2: distancing yourself that much at Shambala Preserve. And so she's

971
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:15,399
Speaker 2: been like she's gotten so many awards and been recognized

972
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 2: for like humanitarian and conservation awards for decades. And you

973
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 2: look at her work with like refugees, like she's just

974
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 2: always been very giving.

975
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I can totally see that. Now. Do you

976
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 3: think that they like like sell the urine from the

977
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 3: lion and the tigers is like to like help pay.

978
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 2: For the well, I mean, just to clarify, that's like

979
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 2: a good like.

980
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 3: Preventative animals to come into gardens.

981
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 2: Do you want to keep which I don't know when

982
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 2: I grew bought.

983
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 3: Okay, we did it and then we've put it all around.

984
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:46,760
Speaker 3: It scared everything except for the subterranean animals.

985
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 2: Do you think the mold has Tippy Hedrons lions?

986
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 3: That's what I was trying to get. Could I be

987
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 3: thanking Tippy Hendron for the good lion pee because that

988
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:57,839
Speaker 3: stuff it could?

989
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 2: Did you have, Champ? Is that your ridiculous takeaway? I'd

990
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 2: love to hear your ridiculous takeaway.

991
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 3: Yeah. My ridiculous takeaway is lion you're in works, and

992
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:09,720
Speaker 3: I believe that Tippy Hedron had the lion's best interest

993
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 3: at heart, and I'm just wondering how I can support her.

994
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I'll tell you something. If we had a

995
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 2: screening of this movie that we sponsored, oh yeah, at

996
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 2: a theater and the costume all the proceeds go to Shambala.

997
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 3: Preserve a pith hat.

998
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:33,280
Speaker 2: That's my that's my takeaway. Thank you for asking, Sarah Burnabeth.

999
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 2: I want to have a screening of this movie, like

1000
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:40,280
Speaker 2: I'm desperate for it. I can't get over this movie.

1001
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 2: I can't either, and it's amazing and I love to get.

1002
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 3: Some Safari shorts.

1003
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 2: You said for the big Okay, that's the thing is

1004
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 2: the costuming in the movie. There's one scene where Noel

1005
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 2: comes out like he's been taking a nap and he

1006
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 2: gets awakened by a lion fight and like his buddy

1007
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:00,800
Speaker 2: comes in. It is like, oh my god, the lines

1008
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 2: are fighting. He gets up, he's like in short short

1009
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 2: like underpants, and that's when he gets attacked lion pajamas.

1010
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 2: They're not getting attacked through clothes, they're getting attacked on

1011
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 2: like underwear. Flesh. Yeah, he gets the eye flesh. He's

1012
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 2: got like magnum p I thighs out, plump, smuggling and like,

1013
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 2: I mean it's it's almost to the point where when

1014
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,320
Speaker 2: he's running across and they're kind of like thin fabric,

1015
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:27,880
Speaker 2: like old and I want to avert my eyes, like yeah,

1016
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:29,359
Speaker 2: I'm just like I'm seeing too much.

1017
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:32,359
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, And you know if he's circumcised.

1018
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 2: And then I'm like yeah, yes, and then I'm wondering,

1019
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 2: like is that what enrages the lion. They're like, please

1020
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:48,280
Speaker 2: put some after all of this, I need to talk back.

1021
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 3: Okay, thank you?

1022
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I want.

1023
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 4: Heyzarin and Elizabeth. I was just reading my Wyoming history

1024
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 4: textbook and it was talking about the first woman Justice

1025
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 4: of the Peace in Roalming Esther Hobart mcquig, and a

1026
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 4: historian had said that she was heroic in size, masculine

1027
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 4: in mind, which made me think of you. And then

1028
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 4: it also said she was too managed to influence William H. Bright,

1029
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:26,359
Speaker 4: who started women's suffrage in Wyoming. So I was thinking

1030
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 4: about all your old newspapers. I thought you'd get a

1031
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:29,359
Speaker 4: kick out of it.

1032
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I totally did. What is up with this? Like, uh,

1033
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 2: it's ridiculous.

1034
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:37,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, every time I got a physical description there of.

1035
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:41,800
Speaker 2: A woman and too manly to influence a male suffrage,

1036
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 2: Like my head's exploding right now of like, I'm sorry,

1037
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,800
Speaker 2: you're not woman enough to fight for your own vote?

1038
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 3: What are those flames creeping up the side of your face?

1039
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 2: Oh god?

1040
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 3: Uh?

1041
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 2: That's it for today. You can find us online at

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00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 2: ridiculous Crime dot com award winning website. We're also at

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1044
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1046
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 2: something from an old newspaper reach Out. Ridiculous Crime is

1047
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:21,720
Speaker 2: hosted by Elizabeth Dutton and Zaren Burnett, produced and edited

1048
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 2: by Crown Prince of Shambala Dave Cousten, starring Annalis Rutger

1049
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 2: as Judith. Research is by exhausted er doc Marissa Brown.

1050
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 2: The theme song is by freaked Out La County Animal

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00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:37,840
Speaker 2: Control officers Thomas Lee and Travis Dutton. Post wardrobe is

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Speaker 2: provided by Body five hundred. Guest hair and makeup by

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Speaker 2: Sparkleshot and mister Andre. Executive producers are Ben Let's try

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Speaker 2: that again, this time with more blood on the lion's

1055
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 2: face Bowlin and Noel sure thing, let me just untie

1056
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Speaker 2: this tourniquet, Brown, ridis Whine say it one more time.

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Speaker 2: Riudiquious Crime.

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