Speaker 1: I won't let my body. I'll be out wait everything
Speaker 1: that I'm made done. Won't spend my life trying to change.
Speaker 1: I'm learning love who I am again. I'm strong, I
Speaker 1: feel free, I know every part of me. It's beautiful
Speaker 1: and then will always out way if you feel it
Speaker 1: with your hands and be here, She'll some love to
Speaker 1: the boy you have there. Say go one day Ana,
Speaker 1: did you and die out way?
Speaker 2: Happy Saturday, out Weigh.
Speaker 3: We are back for our fourth and final episode of
Speaker 3: this neuro series. We are back with doctor Lee Warren. Hello,
Speaker 3: Doctor Warren, Welcome back.
Speaker 4: Thanks Leanne. Good to be back with you.
Speaker 3: If you missed the last three weeks, definitely check it out.
Speaker 3: Three weeks ago we talked about neuro thoughts, then we
Speaker 3: went through neuro feelings. Last week with neuro beliefs, and
Speaker 3: this week we are going to get into neuro habits
Speaker 3: and action and doing and the get off your butt
Speaker 3: and do side of things, which is what people think
Speaker 3: is the first thing, but I specifically put it last.
Speaker 3: So that being said, when it comes to this kind
Speaker 3: of trickle down effect or this cause and effect chicken egg,
Speaker 3: of what we talked about, the thoughts, the feelings, the
Speaker 3: beliefs and really believing your way into becoming the next
Speaker 3: version of yourself and starting at your thoughts. What would
Speaker 3: you say to you to really kick us off when
Speaker 3: it comes to how our brains decide what we're doing,
Speaker 3: the action, the habit side of things. Can you first
Speaker 3: and foremost kind of give us a thirty thousand foot
Speaker 3: overview of what actually happens in connect the dots from
Speaker 3: the last few weeks.
Speaker 4: One of the things we talked about in the first episode,
Speaker 4: I believe was this idea that sometimes we get stuck
Speaker 4: in thought loops. Something happens and we start thinking about it,
Speaker 4: and then we can't quit thinking about it, and then
Speaker 4: pretty soon all we're doing is thinking about everything, and
Speaker 4: we can't get out of our heads. And that's when
Speaker 4: we have to have somebody, a wise professor or a friend,
Speaker 4: a counselor somebody come alongside. Hey, it's time to stop
Speaker 4: contemplating and start operating. You got to get out of
Speaker 4: your head and start doing stuff. And then one of
Speaker 4: the things we know from neuroscience too, is that it's
Speaker 4: not just that you've got to somehow some of the
Speaker 4: courage to start moving, but you can also anticipate that
Speaker 4: movement and action actually feeds back and makes things better
Speaker 4: for you too. You get this brain derived neurotropic factor
Speaker 4: and need all these neurotransmitters that boost more effectively with
Speaker 4: movement and physical activity than they do with medication. So
Speaker 4: taking action is actually a compassion and a good thing
Speaker 4: you can do for yourself too, even when it seems hard.
Speaker 4: So I think the first thing is just to say
Speaker 4: that there's a process in your brain of anticipating something
Speaker 4: that you need or want to do and then thinking
Speaker 4: about all the variables involved in that, and then the
Speaker 4: feelings get involved, and you know, the last time I
Speaker 4: did this, last time I put myself out there, this happened,
Speaker 4: And then you can cock yourself out of taking that action,
Speaker 4: and then you feel bad that you didn't do the thing,
Speaker 4: and then you can start getting into that rumbination loop
Speaker 4: of not having done it, and you get stuck. Right.
Speaker 4: And so sometimes especially if we've been through something hard,
Speaker 4: or if we have a shame situation with of a
Speaker 4: habit or a pattern that we are using as a
Speaker 4: numbing behavior to avoid feeling or dealing with something else,
Speaker 4: then we can find ourselves really stuck and we don't
Speaker 4: have to be stuck, like the hoarder in our house
Speaker 4: that hasn't left, you know, been inside for twenty years.
Speaker 4: But we can get stuck in inactivity or inaction in
Speaker 4: various areas of our life where we have certain things
Speaker 4: that we just aren't doing that we need to be doing,
Speaker 4: stewarding relationships, you know, advancing on our professions, or whatever
Speaker 4: it is that we need to be doing, and then
Speaker 4: that starts becoming its own burden of this weight of
Speaker 4: not having done something. So there's this risk reward thing
Speaker 4: that I want people to recognize that sometimes it's sort
Speaker 4: of scary to take action, to finally jump and make
Speaker 4: the leap and do that thing. But it's not as
Speaker 4: scary is if you look at the long failure of
Speaker 4: staying put. So like, if you keep doing what you've
Speaker 4: been doing, you're going to get better at doing what
Speaker 4: you've been doing. And if what you've been doing is nothing, stuck, ruminating,
Speaker 4: deprive yourself of life, then you're going to get better
Speaker 4: at doing that. You're going to start making this synaptic
Speaker 4: like we talked about in the Feeling and then and
Speaker 4: then the Belief episode about synaptic c wagon trail that
Speaker 4: you get stuck in these ruts. So the longer you
Speaker 4: delay starting the action part of your thought feeling action loop,
Speaker 4: the harder it's going to be to make that happen.
Speaker 4: So sometimes you got to rip the band aid off
Speaker 4: and just get after it.
Speaker 3: So good, And I'd love to kind of dive into
Speaker 3: the whole lessons more concept as well, because I remember
Speaker 3: back in I think it's twenty ten, when I started
Speaker 3: learning about the physiological nervous system just trying to heal
Speaker 3: my own stuff. One of the things I heard was
Speaker 3: that not all movement is good movement, because you if
Speaker 3: you're in pain, like taking the nervous system through a
Speaker 3: painful repetition, is you want to go for a pain
Speaker 3: free repetition. And I started diving into this idea of
Speaker 3: the nervous system kind of being a less is more, smarter,
Speaker 3: not harder system and training it to success, not to failure,
Speaker 3: and versus the muscular skeleton system, which you know a
Speaker 3: lot of people look at is like this harder, faster, more,
Speaker 3: you know, no pain, no gain kind of thing.
Speaker 2: So can you talk to us a little bit.
Speaker 3: About for a beginner that doesn't have the momentum is
Speaker 3: in that ripping off the band aid phase. Can you
Speaker 3: talk to us about the beauty of how the brain learns?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you know. There's a lot of neuroscience
Speaker 4: around the idea of your anti mid singulate gyrus. For example,
Speaker 4: that learning to make yourself take a step in something
Speaker 4: that's uncomfortable or hard actually turns out to have tremendous
Speaker 4: benefit in improving willpower and increasing resilience in all areas
Speaker 4: of your life. So if you learn how to just
Speaker 4: sort of do one hard thing, like make that phone
Speaker 4: call that you've been avoiding, make that apology, say thank
Speaker 4: you for something that you've been avoiding, or finding a
Speaker 4: way to send somebody a note or whatever, it might
Speaker 4: be just a little thing, that little step might be
Speaker 4: enough that the next time you're faced with a different
Speaker 4: hard thing, the inertia involved in doing that is actually lower,
Speaker 4: and you find yourself, hey, I'm actually becoming a person
Speaker 4: who can do stuff when I say I need to
Speaker 4: do it, and so little. Your nervous system is incredibly efficient,
Speaker 4: and when you teach it a lesson in one area,
Speaker 4: it applies that lesson in multiple areas, so you can
Speaker 4: create that kind of synaptic fluidity and you're reduced inertia
Speaker 4: in other areas by doing things in one area that
Speaker 4: seem a little bit uncomfortable.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's almost like your willpower, your discipline can expand,
Speaker 3: but you've got to give it that stimulus.
Speaker 4: What's right.
Speaker 3: So one of the things I talk about with my
Speaker 3: clients is this idea of if you absolutely hate something
Speaker 3: and you have all these negative neuro associations alongside doing
Speaker 3: the thing, the chances of you continuing to do the
Speaker 3: thing aren't going to be very good, right, And it's
Speaker 3: about who you're being while you're doing. The doing is
Speaker 3: also just as important, because the truth is is if
Speaker 3: you hate it, you're not going to sustain it, right.
Speaker 3: So can you speak to us a little bit about that,
Speaker 3: because a lot of people that are listening, they're coming from,
Speaker 3: you know, doing plans and programs that they absolutely hate,
Speaker 3: or it forces them to obsess or control or micromanage
Speaker 3: or think about things or just do things that they
Speaker 3: absolutely hate, and it becomes a conversation of force, persuasion,
Speaker 3: coercion versus feeling like they're choosing it, feeling like they're
Speaker 3: moving in the direction of something that they enjoy or
Speaker 3: that they could see themselves doing.
Speaker 2: In the long haul.
Speaker 3: So can you help just kind of speak into that
Speaker 3: piece of the puzzle as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I think one thing is to identify why
Speaker 4: you hate something, like to figure out what the story
Speaker 4: is that's happening. And that's not to say that if
Speaker 4: there's something that you really just loathe, you need to
Speaker 4: first ask yourself, do I have to do that thing?
Speaker 4: Am I putting myself in a position of having to
Speaker 4: do something that I could change my life in some
Speaker 4: way and not have to do that thing? Not to
Speaker 4: avoid something uncomfortable, But maybe sometimes some questioning and understanding
Speaker 4: the situation might be helpful. But oftentimes what you're getting
Speaker 4: at is that there's something that we really do need
Speaker 4: to do, we need to exercise, we need to repair
Speaker 4: this relationship, we need to balance our budget or whatever,
Speaker 4: and we hate it. Then maybe the question comes down
Speaker 4: to what we talked about, I think in episode two
Speaker 4: about this tension density and quantum Zeno effect idea of
Speaker 4: what you pay attention to and the way in which
Speaker 4: you pay attention to it determines how it comes true
Speaker 4: or doesn't come true in your life. So that means
Speaker 4: that sometimes the idea is can I shift my perspective
Speaker 4: somehow on this thing, and can I find a better
Speaker 4: story to tell myself that would make me not actually
Speaker 4: hate it, but to find some value in accomplishing it
Speaker 4: or doing it well. Right. I always say perception, I
Speaker 4: mobilizes in perception and power. So if you have this perspective,
Speaker 4: empowers perception to mobilize. This perspective empower. So if you
Speaker 4: have this idea that, oh, I hate this, My perception
Speaker 4: of this is always miserable. I hate it, It's just horrible,
Speaker 4: then what's going to happen is that's going to become
Speaker 4: true in your life that when you finally have to
Speaker 4: do the thing, it is terrible, and you prove to
Speaker 4: yourself that you were right because you focus your attention
Speaker 4: in a particular way on that thing and you wired
Speaker 4: that into your brain, that that's always going to be
Speaker 4: an uncomfortable and miserable experience. But if you shift your
Speaker 4: perspective and say, wait, what if I could a coomplish
Speaker 4: this in a way that benefited somebody else, or that
Speaker 4: I could find some way to be grateful about the
Speaker 4: outcome of this, even if I don't like the process
Speaker 4: that takes me through to get to it. If I
Speaker 4: can change that perspective, then I can look at it
Speaker 4: from a different way. And all of a sudden, I'm
Speaker 4: using different parts of my brain, I'm wiring different things in,
Speaker 4: I'm paying attention to the problem in another way, and
Speaker 4: I'm finding, hey, wait a minute, you know that wasn't
Speaker 4: so bad and I kind of enjoyed it. Then they
Speaker 4: were grateful when I did it, and they said thank you,
Speaker 4: and now made a new relationship, or I've repaired something,
Speaker 4: And so maybe the issue is not that you should
Speaker 4: just suffer through things and improve to yourself. That that
Speaker 4: really wasn't miserable, but I'm at least glad it's over.
Speaker 4: Maybe rather find a way to say, you know what,
Speaker 4: I learned something about myself that I can do hard things,
Speaker 4: and that when I do them, they turn out not
Speaker 4: to have been so hard in the first place. And
Speaker 4: then maybe I actually sort of enjoyed that. Maybe you
Speaker 4: can just change perspective and that might be the answer.
Speaker 3: It just so trickles into everything that we've talked about.
Speaker 3: You know, a lot of times it's not the thing itself.
Speaker 3: It's like the story te is the problem, so to speak,
Speaker 3: the story that we're telling, And again, coming back to
Speaker 3: what you're saying, feelings.
Speaker 2: Are not facts.
Speaker 3: You know, how we feel about something might be painting
Speaker 3: the picture in a way. And then also just being
Speaker 3: aware of when we're using those always never kind of
Speaker 3: statements or like I hate doing this or I'll never
Speaker 3: be good at that. It's such a good thought process
Speaker 3: because a lot of people get stuck in the rut
Speaker 3: of thinking that the thing is the problem, right, But
Speaker 3: oftentimes you're right, it is our perspective.
Speaker 2: So the question that I feel, I'm guessing you've been
Speaker 2: asked this a thousand times.
Speaker 3: I feel like if you ask ten different people, they'll
Speaker 3: give you ten different answers about you know, it takes
Speaker 3: twenty one days to start a new habit, it takes
Speaker 3: thirty days to start a habit. Obviously, the attention density,
Speaker 3: the fire and wired heads law that we talked about,
Speaker 3: there's all those different things that come into play. But
Speaker 3: what would you say to somebody who's like, Okay, I'm
Speaker 3: drawing a lie in the sand. There's this whole new
Speaker 3: way of thinking and being and feeling and beliefs that
Speaker 3: I want to step into. In terms of it becoming
Speaker 3: my new way of being and my new brain what
Speaker 3: does that look like on a timeline level, on an
Speaker 3: intensity level, on a density level.
Speaker 2: From your perspective, Well.
Speaker 4: I think it's different for everybody, and I think it's
Speaker 4: different in every situation for everybody too, because there's some
Speaker 4: habits that need to be broken and new ones to
Speaker 4: be replace. The length and depth to which you will
Speaker 4: have to go to break those depends on a number
Speaker 4: of things. Some of them are just how long you've
Speaker 4: been doing it that way, right, Like if you've been
Speaker 4: using a pair of scissors in a certain way with
Speaker 4: your right hand your whole life, and all of a
Speaker 4: sudden somebody says, oh, you have to use those with
Speaker 4: your left hand. Now, it's going to take you a
Speaker 4: long time to figure out how to do that job
Speaker 4: with your left hand because you're not left handed. There's
Speaker 4: some physiology involved in that. You haven't ever done it
Speaker 4: that way, so there's some novelty involved in that, and
Speaker 4: it's awkward because the scissors are right handed scissors and
Speaker 4: you're trying to use them with the wrong way. So
Speaker 4: there's some mechanics and logistics involved in that. Right. So
Speaker 4: there's a lot of different things that come into play
Speaker 4: when you talk about breaking a habit or changing a habit.
Speaker 4: Another level of it, though, is that some things breaking
Speaker 4: a habit related to certain medications or substances. There's also
Speaker 4: a physiological and psychological involvement and an addiction component to that,
Speaker 4: and so the answer is different depending on what the
Speaker 4: situation is. But the truth of it is this that
Speaker 4: what you're doing, you're getting better at. And the way
Speaker 4: to get better at something is to tell yourself, I
Speaker 4: don't have to do it all today. In fact, they
Speaker 4: talk about this in the addiction Recovery lingo a lot.
Speaker 4: It's like, you don't have to quit drinking for the
Speaker 4: rest of your life. You just have to decide I'm
Speaker 4: not going to drink for the next hour. You just
Speaker 4: have to decide, Okay, I'm not sure when the next
Speaker 4: time I take a drink is, but it's not going
Speaker 4: to be to day, right, So make a habit that
Speaker 4: will get you through. If it's a day and you
Speaker 4: can do that, do that, If it's an hour and
Speaker 4: you can do that, do that. But get better at
Speaker 4: being better at doing something for the specified period of time, right.
Speaker 4: And then what you'll find is that as you start
Speaker 4: to incorporate that sort of will and that sort of
Speaker 4: sort of carefully stewarded thought and effort and drive into
Speaker 4: the process. You'll find that the process itself becomes easier
Speaker 4: to attack and more successful in short increments. And so
Speaker 4: I think habits that don't require physiological addictions to be
Speaker 4: broken are probably quicker. That's probably where that twenty one
Speaker 4: day thing comes in. That people say it's actually probably
Speaker 4: more like thirty days for a lot of hard things.
Speaker 4: But I think when you're talking about something that changes
Speaker 4: your physiology like substances, or changes your psychology significantly, like
Speaker 4: pornography or something like that, it may take a very
Speaker 4: long time, but it won't take you long to master
Speaker 4: the art of doing it in short bursts and being
Speaker 4: proud of yourself, giving yourself that dopamine reward of having
Speaker 4: accomplished that thing for a short period of time. And
Speaker 4: you know, for me, it might be I don't wake
Speaker 4: up tomorrow with cheto dust all over my fingers. I
Speaker 4: did it for tonight. I don't have to worry about tomorrow.
Speaker 4: Each day has enough trouble of its own, but I
Speaker 4: can do it for today.
Speaker 3: And I mean, even just stacking on everything that you've
Speaker 3: just said is in alignment with making sure that you're
Speaker 3: addressing the thoughts, the feelings, the beliefs, the habits.
Speaker 2: It's not just the thing itself, Like the thing is
Speaker 2: never the thing, you know.
Speaker 3: So before we kind of end this, bring us home,
Speaker 3: bring us full circle. So if you were to just
Speaker 3: kind of paint a picture of how our thoughts, our feelings,
Speaker 3: and our beliefs all coexist, all chicken egg each other
Speaker 3: which is a technical term of course, and the cause
Speaker 3: and effect of all of them, could you just kind
Speaker 3: of speak into that, just because I really, I really
Speaker 3: want people to get that whatever they're struggling with is
Speaker 3: not about the food, and it's not about their body.
Speaker 3: It is what's going on in their brain, their thoughts,
Speaker 3: their beliefs, their behaviors. It's not any one thing. It's
Speaker 3: all of it. It is a three dimensional thing. But
Speaker 3: that's a beautiful opportunity and possibility, you know, and there's
Speaker 3: a lot of hope that lives in that. So can
Speaker 3: you just kind of speak it to all of that
Speaker 3: three dimensionally?
Speaker 4: Absolutely, And it might even be more than three dimensions,
Speaker 4: you know, so you a fourth dimension involved in it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: But the thing is, so you're not a collection of
Speaker 4: your failures and you are not a collection of the
Speaker 4: things that you've not been able to overcome. What you
Speaker 4: are is a whole person with a story and a
Speaker 4: history and a heritage, and a set of genetics and
Speaker 4: epigenetics which is that created the starting point from where
Speaker 4: you are, and a set of traumas and tragedies and
Speaker 4: dramas and maybe massive things that you've been So what
Speaker 4: you are is not just a person who has repeatedly
Speaker 4: failed to accomplish this one thing or repeatedly falls into
Speaker 4: this particular behavior. Give yourself a little bit of self
Speaker 4: care and say, hey, wait a minute, I need to
Speaker 4: have a kind of trauma informed view off and stop
Speaker 4: saying what's the matter with me, and rather say, kind
Speaker 4: of what happened to me? Where have I been? What
Speaker 4: have I been through? Where did I get from my parents?
Speaker 4: What was my starting point? And all of that stuff.
Speaker 4: To just acknowledge to yourself that if you looked at
Speaker 4: another person in the same situation, you would have compassion
Speaker 4: and empathy for them. So give yourself the same perspective. Right,
Speaker 4: have some compassion and empathy for yourself and then say, okay, wait,
Speaker 4: now I've got a set of emotions, feelings and a
Speaker 4: set of thoughts that are all mixed and mingled together
Speaker 4: in a way that I can't possibly say. And I
Speaker 4: know that the baseline generation of feelings is that there
Speaker 4: are neurochemical events and not necessarily facts. And if I
Speaker 4: can learn to discern that, then I can begin to
Speaker 4: apply some reasons in frontal low brain power to what
Speaker 4: I'm feeling before I act on it. And then if
Speaker 4: I can recognize that I have a lot of automatic
Speaker 4: thoughts that aren't necessarily true, and I can learn to
Speaker 4: biapse to them and decide if they're true before I
Speaker 4: take action on them, then I can start to have
Speaker 4: some power in the process of say, wait a minute,
Speaker 4: I know that I don't have to respond every thought
Speaker 4: and feeling, and I know that I can use the
Speaker 4: directed power of my mind to make structural changes in
Speaker 4: my brain and make myself better at being better at
Speaker 4: my own life. Then I've got some power. Now, I've
Speaker 4: got some skin in the game because I'm not a
Speaker 4: victim anymore of the way I've always been. I'm not
Speaker 4: a victim of the way my parents raised me. I'm
Speaker 4: not a victim of the genes that I inherited. Because
Speaker 4: I know that my thoughts can turn them on and
Speaker 4: off and make them better in the future. And I'm
Speaker 4: not even a victim of what I might pass on
Speaker 4: to my kids, because I can make that better too
Speaker 4: by changing the way I think in the way I
Speaker 4: live now, they'll inherit a better set of switched on
Speaker 4: or off jeans than I did. So all of that
Speaker 4: to say, Leanne that if you add the fourth dimension,
Speaker 4: which I think is spiritual, then you say, okay, wait,
Speaker 4: I'm a whole person with the whole vast story that's happening.
Speaker 4: And I'm not just a left brain kind of thing
Speaker 4: that's a two dimensional object that says I am a
Speaker 4: failure or I'm a success. I'm a right hemisphere too,
Speaker 4: which is the whole world around me and all the
Speaker 4: experiences and feelings and nuance and thoughts and all of
Speaker 4: that stuff jumbled up into this entire person that, from
Speaker 4: my perspective, is fearfully and wonderfully made and worthy of
Speaker 4: value and love and honor, that has a purpose and
Speaker 4: a meaning to your life. And if you believe that
Speaker 4: about yourself and that you can change the things that
Speaker 4: you feel like you've been stuck with, there's no limit
Speaker 4: to what you can do.
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, this is why we love you, doctor Warren.
Speaker 3: That was I mean, that was such a beautiful summation.
Speaker 3: And ladies and the couple of gentlemen that are listening.
Speaker 3: You know, no, really, in all of that, there wasn't
Speaker 3: much said about food or your weight, or there wasn't
Speaker 3: anything said about it. It really comes back to you
Speaker 3: as an entire being, the essence of who you are,
Speaker 3: the worthiness that lives inside of you.
Speaker 2: That has nothing to do with any of those things.
Speaker 3: But if you do want to change those things, start
Speaker 3: in this four dimensional conversation, right, multidimensional conversation. Thank you
Speaker 3: so much for being here. Thank you so much for
Speaker 3: sharing your wisdom. I mean, we could go on and on,
Speaker 3: and there's so much to share. You have so much wisdom,
Speaker 3: even beyond the scope of the neuroscience side of it.
Speaker 3: So if people want to find your podcast, and by
Speaker 3: the way, everything that doctor Warren just kind of summed
Speaker 3: up of the cause and effect of the thoughts, the feelings,
Speaker 3: the beliefs, and the habits his self brain surgery thought process.
Speaker 3: He goes on a deep dive, so you definitely want
Speaker 3: to check out his podcast, The Doctor Lee Warren podcast
Speaker 3: is where you go deep into that. The Spiritual Brain
Speaker 3: Surgery is where you intersect the faith and the science
Speaker 3: piece of it. But tell us a bit about your
Speaker 3: where to find your podcast, your books, where to Google's
Speaker 3: talk you all the things.
Speaker 4: Well, you're already listening to a podcast somewhere, so right now,
Speaker 4: wherever you are, you can go to the search bar
Speaker 4: and type in doctor Lee Warren and you'll find my
Speaker 4: two podcasts, the Doctor Lee Warren Podcast and Spiritual Brain Surgery.
Speaker 4: As Lean so kindly mentioned. You can also go to
Speaker 4: Amazon or Barnes and Noble and type in my name
Speaker 4: and you'll see all my books. And the most recent
Speaker 4: one is called Hope is the First Dose, and it's
Speaker 4: a treatment plan for recovering from trauma and tragedy and
Speaker 4: massive things that happen. And we talk about all the
Speaker 4: kind of stuff that we've been talking about today. And
Speaker 4: I have a website too, Doctor Lee Warren dot substack
Speaker 4: dot com, or write a newsletter every week, so easy
Speaker 4: to find me. Lots of good content out there, and
Speaker 4: I hope that people will benefit from it.
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Speaker 2: You're also going to be on Amy's podcast. We're gonna
Speaker 2: link you to our What's God Got to Do with It? Podcast?
Speaker 2: So we've got a lot.
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Speaker 2: Have you here. Thanks for listening out Weigh and we
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