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Speaker 1: wonderful episode of it could happen here to d open
Speaker 1: to take a look at another book, well two books,
Speaker 1: this time, this time works of fiction, and this time
Speaker 1: by an English unfortunately writer named Alice Huxley. Right, we'll
Speaker 1: be looking at Island and Free of New Wild, the
Speaker 1: sort of twins of speculative science fiction. I would say
Speaker 1: Alice Huxley was, like I said, in English writer and philosopher,
Speaker 1: and he actually wrote a lot of books, um fifty
Speaker 1: in his lifetime to be precise. He was also a
Speaker 1: French teacher who interestingly enough taught George ol But I
Speaker 1: did not know from yeah, but from what what his
Speaker 1: past students have said. He wasn't a particularly good teacher, okay,
Speaker 1: but he was a good speaker. Um. He was also
Speaker 1: a very very big fan of psychedelics and mysticism and philosophy,
Speaker 1: and particularly like Advit. I don't know if I'm pronounced
Speaker 1: that correctly, but Advoate vendatta, which is like a Hindu
Speaker 1: spiritual practice. Yeah, I know, he's He's even referenced a
Speaker 1: lot and like occultist and chaos magic books written like
Speaker 1: post the sixties. He's yeah, yeah, yeah, he's He's like, um,
Speaker 1: that guy, it's his name again, Alan Watts. Yeah guy. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Also very interestingly, Um Huxley actually had LSD injected into
Speaker 1: his veins. A basic yes, he was, like he was dying,
Speaker 1: as you know one does on their deathbed, and that
Speaker 1: is the traditional thing to do traditionally, Yes, but while
Speaker 1: in the process of dying, because he had like advanced
Speaker 1: learning your cancer, he had to write to his wife Laura.
Speaker 1: He was just like LSD's like, okay, Jackson him fucking muscle,
Speaker 1: and she doesn't inject him with one dose. She injects
Speaker 1: him with two doses and then he dies like several
Speaker 1: hours later. Incredibly based what away staggeringly based and honestly,
Speaker 1: if if he was like speaking on the deathbed, I
Speaker 1: would really love to know, like what that experience was like, Like,
Speaker 1: are you just like dancing through hell? Like what's going on?
Speaker 1: I mean it could it could, think I can see
Speaker 1: of being the most amazing thing. And also extreme plainly terrified.
Speaker 1: Right as a general rule, when like Pete, they've done
Speaker 1: studies on like giving different kinds of psychedelics usually silosiban
Speaker 1: mushrooms to um cancer people who are in hospice and
Speaker 1: it it generally reduces their fear of death. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: go in peace. Yeah, yeah, it just makes them like, ah,
Speaker 1: you know what, everything is the same as everything else,
Speaker 1: and we're the imagination of the universe. I'm going to
Speaker 1: go back into the space, which is fine. Good for them, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: good for them, Good for them. If I want my
Speaker 1: death bed, I probably wouldn't want to be thinking about
Speaker 1: death either. Yeah. I mean that that assumes that you know,
Speaker 1: we a death bed, you know, And that's the kind
Speaker 1: of wild thing about death. You don't know when it's
Speaker 1: going to happen. But to return into the topic of discussion,
Speaker 1: Brief New World and Ireland right to summarize the plots
Speaker 1: of both, I guess I'll start with Brief New Wild
Speaker 1: It is the more famous of the two. I don't
Speaker 1: think a lot of people have food of Island compared
Speaker 1: to Brief New World, because I mean briefew with New
Speaker 1: World and high School. But I have not read Island exactly,
Speaker 1: and it's like it's released as a lot about society
Speaker 1: that that that we read about the dystopias, but not
Speaker 1: the youtubeias. But anyway, Brief New World, you know, it's
Speaker 1: really up there with like in terms of um, you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's notoriety. Um. It is like one of the
Speaker 1: quintessential dystopias. It's set like several hundred years into the future,
Speaker 1: like which you know, to place which is several decades ago.
Speaker 1: Brave New World was set in two thousand and fifty four,
Speaker 1: two thousand and five and forty see, so several times. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: But however, in the book, it isn't called two thousand five.
Speaker 1: It's called six three to a F a F standing
Speaker 1: for after Ford. Because in this world, and I'm sure
Speaker 1: we'll get into this a bit, Henry Ford, the assembly
Speaker 1: lying guy, the model t guy. He is basically god.
Speaker 1: He is the god of their world. You know, yeah,
Speaker 1: that wouldn't be ideal. They say things like by Ford's
Speaker 1: name and that kind of thing, you know, and his
Speaker 1: school sort of assembly line structure. Um, it's basically it's
Speaker 1: chopolated to society as a whole. Right, there's this world
Speaker 1: state where emotions and individuality a conditioned out of children
Speaker 1: and everyone belongs to everyone else, and you know there's
Speaker 1: children are created in like factories and generated to be
Speaker 1: part of specific classes, whether it be alpha, beta, gamma, delta,
Speaker 1: or epsilon. So it's like it's kind of like what's what,
Speaker 1: what's what's happening today? You know, in terms of the
Speaker 1: Greek alphabet um, we have the alphas who are bred
Speaker 1: to be like the leaders and stuff, and you're the
Speaker 1: apsilons who are bred to be like the menial libras,
Speaker 1: and you have the folks in between, and like they're
Speaker 1: literally conditioned, you know, so like in the factory, in
Speaker 1: the baby making factory, which is in this case literal
Speaker 1: and not a euphemism for the womb um. You know,
Speaker 1: they like hold back on oxygen or they apply Cittain
Speaker 1: chemicals or Cittain hormones in order to like condition people.
Speaker 1: So they don't do like genetic um like coding or whatever.
Speaker 1: They just they do a chemical concoctions in those sort
Speaker 1: of test tubes. And yeah, I mean the story of
Speaker 1: the world is really how it's affecting, Like that's the
Speaker 1: top level of people within it and sort of contrasted
Speaker 1: with sort of reservations that exist in their world where
Speaker 1: people are a bit less restricted. Um. And it ends
Speaker 1: pretty tragically. But the next book also ends a bit
Speaker 1: tragically the extra for being Island, which is like the
Speaker 1: utopian twin for a Brief New World in a lot
Speaker 1: of ways in terms of memory, mirroring a lot of
Speaker 1: the same themes that Brief New World explores. Right. So,
Speaker 1: in Ireland there's this specific island called Parlor, which is
Speaker 1: um fictional. I mean, there was an area in India
Speaker 1: cold Parlor, but the island of Parlor in this world
Speaker 1: is like it doesn't exist, right, And it's basically seen
Speaker 1: as this oasis of happiness and freedom and where it's
Speaker 1: inhabitants of resisted capitalism and consumerism and technology. Right then,
Speaker 1: this journalist, another British guy named Will Farnaby Um pulls
Speaker 1: up on their island and he's basically trying to scoop
Speaker 1: out the island for exploitation because he is friends with
Speaker 1: this industrialist who was trying to like extract oil from
Speaker 1: the region. And while he's going through the island and
Speaker 1: really going through the society going through the book, there
Speaker 1: are a lot of monologues and stuff I mean, this
Speaker 1: book is kind of heavy on the monologues and the discussions.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like Alice Hucksley's soup box for all
Speaker 1: his ideas, just laying them all out there. Right. So
Speaker 1: Will enters Palace a cynic, but by the time he
Speaker 1: comes out, he's like he's had like layers on layers
Speaker 1: of epiphanies. And I don't know for those who have
Speaker 1: been reading to one of everything recently. Um. In chapter
Speaker 1: two there the authors David when growing David group, but
Speaker 1: they sort of outline some of the discussions that were
Speaker 1: happening that were happening between Europeans and Indigenous Americans at
Speaker 1: the time of arrival, and how those discussions were shaping
Speaker 1: both um apparently Europeans view of society. Interestingly, it's kind
Speaker 1: of like reflected here because you know, have this white
Speaker 1: man who pulls up with all his English ideas, and
Speaker 1: it's basically these indigenous inhabitants and parlor basically deconstructing his
Speaker 1: ideas through dialogue, um, and through debate and discussion, and
Speaker 1: unfortunately doesn't end very well. Despite you know, being convinced
Speaker 1: of the purity and brilliance of the poloniese we have
Speaker 1: lived in um he already made the deal with the
Speaker 1: industrialist and pala um Is has basically been sold by
Speaker 1: any by neighboring country and so it's downfall is now
Speaker 1: sadly inevitable and that's how it ends. Oh and also
Speaker 1: um will want to be kind of as like an LSD.
Speaker 1: Well sound really LSD, But it's like a psychedelic trip. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like a combination like and almost yeah yeah and
Speaker 1: true how that sucks lee fashion. Yeah. Yeah, there's like
Speaker 1: a lot of the tropes and like its themes that
Speaker 1: were president Brave New World exists in island, but as
Speaker 1: like their inversion, so like in terms of like it
Speaker 1: showed like the like Brave New World has written before
Speaker 1: Huxicalley had of psychedelics. It was so like his his
Speaker 1: version of drug use is so different in that book.
Speaker 1: It's more like a pacifying drug um, whereas the drug
Speaker 1: use in Ireland it's more like an like an enlightening drugs.
Speaker 1: But there's a whole bunch of themes that like parallel
Speaker 1: but are also inverted on each other. Yeah, exactly exactly,
Speaker 1: And we're gonna get into those themes just now. But
Speaker 1: to summarize, for your New World is basically humans becoming
Speaker 1: less than human because of all these technological and sociological
Speaker 1: um efforts, where as Ireland is like the opposite we had,
Speaker 1: you know, humans are able to come into the fullness
Speaker 1: of the humanness um while still using science, except in
Speaker 1: a way to enhance their quality of life. I don't
Speaker 1: know if I missed any aspect of either plots that
Speaker 1: and if you want to like touch on a real
Speaker 1: quick no, no, no reallyy okay, yeah, I mean I
Speaker 1: will say the one thing is interested because Brave New
Speaker 1: World also has this sort of like weird like going
Speaker 1: to a reservation plot that's like, yeah, kind of a
Speaker 1: b plot, but you see, sort of it's another one
Speaker 1: of those things instead of like I don't know if
Speaker 1: inverteds the right word, but the sort of context of
Speaker 1: it is very, very different in Island than it isn't
Speaker 1: Brave New World. Yeah, yeah, because I mean, in a sense,
Speaker 1: you have this outside of protagonist who is introduced to
Speaker 1: this alternate way of living um and is transformed by it,
Speaker 1: you know, except in Brave New Wild, you know, he
Speaker 1: ends up killing himself and in Island, well, he already
Speaker 1: sold out the island, you know, I will say one
Speaker 1: criticism that I want to get out of the way
Speaker 1: before we get into like the concepts and you know
Speaker 1: how they might apply to politics as a whole. Really
Speaker 1: is Huxley, like a lot of authors and thinkers and
Speaker 1: ideologues of his time, has this very unsettling h fixation
Speaker 1: on overpopulation. It's kind of like what we were talking
Speaker 1: about UM with the last book we discussed here UM,
Speaker 1: this sort of weird fixation and over population and you know,
Speaker 1: people dying out and that kind of thing. UM In
Speaker 1: in Parlia and in Ireland there's a sort of acceptance
Speaker 1: of um over population as something that needs to be
Speaker 1: you know, avoided. And to guess that brings us to
Speaker 1: the first theme, which is the use of contraception in
Speaker 1: both books. Right, Like, on one hand, you have in
Speaker 1: Brief New World where there's like mandatory contraception and people
Speaker 1: are literally not allowed to like naturally give birth, you know,
Speaker 1: they have to have baby's through test you Whereas in Parlor,
Speaker 1: you know, there's reproductive education and reproductive choice and expressive sex.
Speaker 1: And it's really like a complete contrast. So I guess
Speaker 1: I want to do something like I like speculating and
Speaker 1: thinking about how anarchy would operate. UM, I think there
Speaker 1: needs to be a lot more of that in terms
Speaker 1: of um creative works and discussions. I mean, like there
Speaker 1: was at the Coffee by mal Tester, and there are
Speaker 1: some like utopian fictions out there, but I like less
Speaker 1: than utopian, but still interesting explorations of anarchist society. It's
Speaker 1: like there's lucky of the quins that is possessed. It
Speaker 1: is interesting to me that even in mainstream sort of imagining,
Speaker 1: whenever there's an attempt to envision a utopia, there's nearly
Speaker 1: always a lot of anarchist principles involved in that. It's
Speaker 1: basically impossible to imagine a utopia without aspects of anarchist
Speaker 1: theory making it into it exactly. And it tends to
Speaker 1: be like some elements of anti work in there, and
Speaker 1: like you know, like to post work, post hierarchy, freedom
Speaker 1: of association. Yeah yeah, yeah, as I kind of want
Speaker 1: to look at that, look at these works through that
Speaker 1: lens as well. Here mostly Island considering Island is a
Speaker 1: bit closer acty than Free New World is just a
Speaker 1: little bit a little bit yeah yeah, Like when you
Speaker 1: look at how sexual liberation is treated in Ireland, it
Speaker 1: is pretty much an echo of what anarchists were saying
Speaker 1: about free love in like nearly twenty like late nine century,
Speaker 1: you know, because I feel like I'm a good one,
Speaker 1: like free choice and contraceptive access and that sort of thing,
Speaker 1: reproductive choice, free love. It's really in Paula, I would see,
Speaker 1: UM they have this sort of elements as well of
Speaker 1: like communal child rearing, I mean in UM, which is
Speaker 1: another thing I spoke about that and like my video
Speaker 1: in December on the family, like the fact that humans
Speaker 1: basically the evolved in an alo parental arrangements, in a
Speaker 1: corporative reading arrangement. Yeah, because from that, Yeah, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of if you if you study how kind of
Speaker 1: different societies that were not capitalists handled child rearing, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of like very interesting. I think my favorite
Speaker 1: is and it was some indigenous group in Um, South
Speaker 1: America who's like cultural belief was that, um, you didn't
Speaker 1: you didn't have like one man have sex with a woman,
Speaker 1: and that like leads conceiving child. It starts the process.
Speaker 1: And so once you've started the process of making a child,
Speaker 1: the woman then is going to pick out all of
Speaker 1: the guys that she thinks have traits that she wants
Speaker 1: to be like part of the child she's making, and
Speaker 1: has sex with them because you're like gradually building the
Speaker 1: child by having like adding additional sperm to it, which
Speaker 1: means that when they have the kid, all of those
Speaker 1: guys that she had sex pregnant have a responsibility to
Speaker 1: rear the child and teach it things. I think is
Speaker 1: objectively the best way to treat kids. I mean, even
Speaker 1: on like, it's that's such an interesting metaphysical concept in
Speaker 1: terms of like what constitutes like even like the the
Speaker 1: idea of genetic makeup, because even though it's not like
Speaker 1: literally true, it's still like if you can convince yourself
Speaker 1: of that in your head, then it kind of is
Speaker 1: physically true, and it will it will be true enough
Speaker 1: for the kid because like, because most of these fathers,
Speaker 1: fathers treats are gonna like manifest in the child anyway
Speaker 1: because they were raised by them. Therefore, I think we
Speaker 1: should all agree to just act like it works that way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But I mean like and also like in terms of
Speaker 1: like the group living in Island versus like Brave New World,
Speaker 1: but everywhere else it's always like you don't you have
Speaker 1: group living because you've lost like the idea of individuality
Speaker 1: right versus groups. Living in Island is more like you
Speaker 1: know how like anarchists have like group homes and that's
Speaker 1: it's it's very similar to living a allows you to
Speaker 1: be the best version of yourself because the best version
Speaker 1: of yourself exists in the community. Yeah, exactly. There's like
Speaker 1: there's like a barista or whatever. There's a kind of
Speaker 1: like like a jokey fruition fist. I think about a
Speaker 1: lot where it's like if you see a block and
Speaker 1: like you're looking at it like a black block, right,
Speaker 1: It's like the way you can tell that there are
Speaker 1: moose involved is if you see a bunch of people
Speaker 1: actually like legitimately wearing all the same thing. It's like
Speaker 1: like it's it's it's like it's it's really like it's
Speaker 1: it's it's extremely rare that like, even even when you're
Speaker 1: doing this for security reasons, that you can get a
Speaker 1: bunch of anarchists who actually literally all wear exactly the
Speaker 1: same thing. Because it's like it's like, yeah, you have
Speaker 1: this sort of like I mean, okay, this is this
Speaker 1: is not like always true, but like it's it's I
Speaker 1: don't know, you you you have this thing where even
Speaker 1: when you're like even when anarchists are like trying to
Speaker 1: sort of like fade into a single mass, it's like
Speaker 1: like like they literally can't do it because everyone has
Speaker 1: this sort of like because individual street definitely seeing people
Speaker 1: be at it block more often than I've seen them
Speaker 1: be good at it. Yeah, it's like I mean like
Speaker 1: the actual hiding part of it. Yeah, yeah, but I
Speaker 1: don't know, like it's it's it's it's there's, there's there there.
Speaker 1: There's a way of sort of egalitarianism in sociality where
Speaker 1: like you treat everyone as if they were exactly the
Speaker 1: same and like and you know, and there there's models
Speaker 1: of this word. It's like, yeah, it's like okay, you
Speaker 1: actually try to like force everyone to be exactly the same,
Speaker 1: where like everyone to be exactly the same in the class,
Speaker 1: and like that sucks and you shouldn't do it. And
Speaker 1: the alternative to that is everyone is just sort of
Speaker 1: like in a group, but they're all like I don't
Speaker 1: I remember entirely. Sure doesn't make any sense, but it's
Speaker 1: I don't know, there are yeah. Yeah, it's like like
Speaker 1: the purpose of the group is to like maintain like
Speaker 1: you know, maybe like maintain the differentiation sheet of the individual. Yeah,
Speaker 1: to foster what makes the dividence really good at being
Speaker 1: like their own person and give them the tools that
Speaker 1: can you can set that up. Yeah, I think it's
Speaker 1: like culturally we have like problems thinking about that because
Speaker 1: like the sort of American version of individuality has to
Speaker 1: do with like no, no no, no, you're you're an individual
Speaker 1: because you have no connections to anyone else, And it's like,
Speaker 1: well this sucks. It is bad because and that kind
Speaker 1: of goes back to the whole spoon building a baby concept.
Speaker 1: I didn't think I would ever use that freeze because
Speaker 1: individuals only individuals, because their combination of influences are unique
Speaker 1: to them. Yeah, well not just that. I mean obviously
Speaker 1: it's not's a component and I'll know a lot, but
Speaker 1: I think key aspect of it is that, you know,
Speaker 1: because we are reason needs different environments surrounded by different people,
Speaker 1: we have different experiences. That's what builds us up. You know,
Speaker 1: Like I can I can already name off the top
Speaker 1: of my head, like a bunch of like defining movements
Speaker 1: from my childhood you know that basically changed my course,
Speaker 1: you know, like the one time I got cyber bullied
Speaker 1: in that fas like shifted my perspective and my approach
Speaker 1: the internet to that kind of thing. You know. It's
Speaker 1: like it really, I really can't imagine how someone could
Speaker 1: come away with the idea that an individual is just
Speaker 1: an individual on their own. Yeah, they just they just
Speaker 1: pop out and are that thing. Yeah, I mean yeah,
Speaker 1: because like a large portion of you was built up
Speaker 1: of previous you, and previously like exists, Like your previous
Speaker 1: existence is what makes a large portion of yourself. And
Speaker 1: like sure you can say you have a little bit
Speaker 1: of like ego from the start, like your actual self
Speaker 1: self that that you know, contributed to the way you
Speaker 1: interpret events, which then will in turn build your personality.
Speaker 1: But I think these things are not opposing. These things
Speaker 1: work in tandem. But yeah, yes, it is like the
Speaker 1: whole group living components. And also in that group of components,
Speaker 1: you notice in at one point in the book, Um,
Speaker 1: one of the children like basically in passing mentions that
Speaker 1: you know, they don't want to go by a certain
Speaker 1: person because they're mad at them or whatever, and so
Speaker 1: they basically have that freedom to remove themselves from that
Speaker 1: situation and go on, um sleep at another house or
Speaker 1: another space until that sort of situation is resolved. And
Speaker 1: I think that also would really be a crucial element
Speaker 1: of society, particularly for children having that freedom of association
Speaker 1: and freedom of movement, because imagine how many abusive situations
Speaker 1: could be avoided over him. Indeed, if children had the
Speaker 1: ability to come out of it. You know, we strict
Speaker 1: children of choice, and that's what allows these sorts of
Speaker 1: dynamics to persist, which then leads to dynamics that persist
Speaker 1: in the next generation and so on and so on.
Speaker 1: It's this thing that's having a resurgence in the United
Speaker 1: States right now, and it's like at the core of
Speaker 1: all of the book banning and the anti trans legislation,
Speaker 1: which is this idea that like kids shouldn't have a
Speaker 1: choice because that would interfere with parents having absolute control
Speaker 1: over the life of their child, and then includes the
Speaker 1: control to like, if a child says I'm this or
Speaker 1: I'm that, the parent can say absolutely not. Yeah, exactly
Speaker 1: if you had like this, U if you sort of
Speaker 1: like too with like someone from from the past or
Speaker 1: someone who lives in like a corpsive reading arrangement that
Speaker 1: the pear and the child is the pearance property entirely.
Speaker 1: It would look at you like real funny because the
Speaker 1: child is part of the community, doesn't belong to anyone,
Speaker 1: you know, if it belongs to anything, It just belongs
Speaker 1: to the community as a whole, as as we all do. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But yeah, another element I think I find, um, I
Speaker 1: find really interesting and the way that probably society operates
Speaker 1: is that. And I guess in comparison to Brief New World,
Speaker 1: Unlike in Brief New World, where drugs are used like
Speaker 1: UM likes and like all drugs are used for pacification
Speaker 1: and control and self medication, that kind of thing to
Speaker 1: sort of like chill you out and prevent you from
Speaker 1: basically going mad in a mad society. Um in parlor,
Speaker 1: you know, drug is used for bonding and for enlightenment
Speaker 1: and for social connection and social cohesion. And it is
Speaker 1: really really using that that he changes what drugs do
Speaker 1: in his books, like after he starts doing them. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Yeah. Now,
Speaker 1: I actually don't know, you know, I used to have
Speaker 1: because I had the opposite arc with with drugs, where
Speaker 1: I started doing them when I was very young and
Speaker 1: had the belief that like they were kind of inherently
Speaker 1: this mind opening tool that could be used to expand
Speaker 1: the borders of reality within human beings and as an
Speaker 1: adult um in part through some of the research I've
Speaker 1: done on the far right, come to understand like, no,
Speaker 1: you can also use them to reinforce the very limited,
Speaker 1: terrible things you already believe. And there are folks who
Speaker 1: do that quite effectively, like that sort of appeel you
Speaker 1: esotericism kind of Yeah, I don't know if I just
Speaker 1: made up that too. I like, I like that term.
Speaker 1: It's thinking of it's an accurate it's an accurate term
Speaker 1: to describe the thing we're talking about. I'm taking it, okay,
Speaker 1: Well yeah, yeah, I mean that that is absolutely correct,
Speaker 1: because I mean, yeah, like those sort of psycho psychedelic
Speaker 1: substances and stuff, Yeah, they can open your mind, but
Speaker 1: they are they're ultimately drawing from your mind, drawing from
Speaker 1: your pastis drances and believes in some capacity. The way
Speaker 1: I always describe it is that like psychedelics are an
Speaker 1: accelebrant to the fire that you've already built, and they
Speaker 1: can make it flare up, and it can be really
Speaker 1: cool and awesome, and it can flare up and be
Speaker 1: utterly terrified and be like oh no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no, But it's always kind of amplifying the things
Speaker 1: that are you've already built through like the kindling of yourself. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It Psychedelics do not create things um within you, but
Speaker 1: they can lead you to realize things you wouldn't already realize,
Speaker 1: or they can lead you to reinforce things that you're
Speaker 1: already doing. And it kind of depends on what you
Speaker 1: go into it with. It's like, you know, Leary said,
Speaker 1: it's I think it was Leary set setting in dose
Speaker 1: and like your mind set is one of the most
Speaker 1: important things for what's actually going to happen when you
Speaker 1: when you take psychedelics. Yeah, and if you're a Nazi,
Speaker 1: you can get better being a Nazi from taking as
Speaker 1: if you're not, so you're gonna see Hitler pull up, Yes,
Speaker 1: my son, continue the good work. That's That's the thing
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't understand when I've tried to,
Speaker 1: like when I tried to talk to people who are
Speaker 1: like really obviously like pro psychedelics and like, yeah, they're
Speaker 1: so like freeing that you think about new ways, And
Speaker 1: then I explained to them, there's like, well this isn't
Speaker 1: This is an easy segue. But if somehow the conversation
Speaker 1: goes to the point to be talking about all the
Speaker 1: Nazis who do psychedelics and and then like do like
Speaker 1: weird esoteric rituals while doing like like psycho drugs, they
Speaker 1: can confuse these people because like how could you be
Speaker 1: a Nazi? Well, you're you know, in that mindset, and like,
Speaker 1: well it's actually for all of yeah, for all these
Speaker 1: reasons that we've discussed, it can actually assist within that
Speaker 1: like like fantastical, genocidal, conspiratorial thinking. It can really can
Speaker 1: really give that a lot, a lot of credence in
Speaker 1: someone's brains, because especially if you've spoken to someone who
Speaker 1: is taking psycho like and I've had a specific kind
Speaker 1: of experience, you can't talk them all to that experience. Yeah,
Speaker 1: as far as they consume that is that is solidified
Speaker 1: in mind. You know, this is reality. I just had
Speaker 1: a glimpse at the reality kind of thing, you know. Yeah, absolutely, Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's one of those like if you want, if you
Speaker 1: want an illustration of how psychedelics do not work the
Speaker 1: way some people claim, just make a note of the
Speaker 1: fact that at every street fight between fascists and anti
Speaker 1: fascists in Portland, both sides, every single person had fucking
Speaker 1: weed on them, like the fucking the far right like
Speaker 1: smoking pot as much as everybody else. Um, they just
Speaker 1: also do cocaine. Whereas whereas Antifa does yeah yeah, and
Speaker 1: Tia does ketamine, the Proud Boys do cocaine and they
Speaker 1: both have everybody's got joints and both people and people
Speaker 1: on both sides have dropped acid and taken shrimps. Yeah
Speaker 1: I can. I can say this from a point of
Speaker 1: journalistic certainty because during one of the rallies where there
Speaker 1: was a permitted event at the federal part, the police
Speaker 1: were there and telling people they could not take weed
Speaker 1: onto the Federal park because it was federally illegal, and
Speaker 1: every like both sides, people were like all right, ship Michael,
Speaker 1: turning back because they couldn't walk on with the weed
Speaker 1: in their pockets. That's gonna open up a whole kind
Speaker 1: of wound to me, because I don't know if you
Speaker 1: all saw this tweet I put on recently, like there's
Speaker 1: still this resistance the drugs and to particularly to like cannabis,
Speaker 1: and you would think that, you know, after decades of
Speaker 1: research and decades of understanding and really decades, not even decades,
Speaker 1: it's centuries of its use in various you know, religious
Speaker 1: and spiritual practices that by now, you know, in a
Speaker 1: post colonial country would reach the point where you know,
Speaker 1: we let it go and we determinalized it. But although
Speaker 1: the we're kind of in the process of it, we
Speaker 1: still have this situation where the police are like constantly
Speaker 1: burning down like fields of cannabis. Like they pull up
Speaker 1: and they're like, we just seized and burned down like
Speaker 1: one million dollars worth of cannabis and arrested this than
Speaker 1: the others. Like, why are we still at this point
Speaker 1: where um, basic basic like plants and herbs and medicines
Speaker 1: and whatnot are still hey saying this stigma. It's not
Speaker 1: grounded in any sort of reality or logic. You know,
Speaker 1: it's just colonially re prejudice. But that was brief aside. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I the only thing I have much left to see,
Speaker 1: both island and brief world. Well, you know, listeners, go home,
Speaker 1: put on some Hitler speeches, drop some as absolutely absolutely
Speaker 1: not that is the worst idea. Do not do that,
Speaker 1: Go to the woods, go do basically literally anything else,
Speaker 1: besides that specific thing. It's that specific thing that is different.
Speaker 1: Different people can can disagree. No, like that is like
Speaker 1: one of the worst things to do to your own
Speaker 1: brain and psyche. Absolutely not. Yeah, just do whatever, whether
Speaker 1: literally anything else. Watch Star Trek, put On put On
Speaker 1: off the air I have. I've watched a lot of
Speaker 1: Star Trek while tripping. There's there's so many better things
Speaker 1: to do that that thing you said. Mm hm, go
Speaker 1: watch the movie Conspiracy starring Kenneth brand Off. That could
Speaker 1: be funny. They are what mascaline is. Neither instructions compute
Speaker 1: if if acid made time different? What? Yeah, that's kind
Speaker 1: of mescaline. I mean, mescaline is like the the active
Speaker 1: thing inside pet. Yeah, mescalin is is a psychedelic the
Speaker 1: most intense time dilation I've ever experienced, where like you
Speaker 1: will feel like weeks have passed and it's been like
Speaker 1: seven hours. Um, it's pretty dope. I definitely recommend mescal
Speaker 1: and everybody go take mescaline even where at um, well
Speaker 1: you if you, if you. There is a way to
Speaker 1: get the cacti, which are legal pretty much everywhere because
Speaker 1: they're just cactuses and a lot of people use them
Speaker 1: decoratively and then using a what do you call the
Speaker 1: pressure cooker, you can you can get the mescal and
Speaker 1: out of the cacti. I've known people who have done it.
Speaker 1: I have not personally done it. Obviously, that would that
Speaker 1: would that would be a criminal. We would never we
Speaker 1: would never advocate that. Yeah, but but there are ways too.
Speaker 1: There are ways that like a person with minimal resources
Speaker 1: can get mescal and out of out of the right cactus.
Speaker 1: And people have done it, you know. So there's the
Speaker 1: criminals have done bad people. There's this thing called anyway. Yeah, alright,
Speaker 1: Saint Andrew. That was awesome. I'm gonna go to read
Speaker 1: Island now. Um It's it's a good and I haven't
Speaker 1: read this bummed, I guess at the end of this,
Speaker 1: I am kind of bummed that as as imaginative a
Speaker 1: guy as he was, his this was his final story.
Speaker 1: Well in his utopian story had to end with it
Speaker 1: being crushed essentially by industrial expansion. Yeah, and like co option,
Speaker 1: I mean like it is it is it is interesting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this this was his final book. This was like his
Speaker 1: like send off, like in a way that's a that's
Speaker 1: an interesting component though, right, because like in Ireland. Yet
Speaker 1: it's like the utopian society, but there is a king, yeah,
Speaker 1: and a queen mother, but not they don't have like
Speaker 1: the kind of power that you know, we were typically
Speaker 1: um we still upon kings and queen mothers. You know,
Speaker 1: they're still they're still able to destroy the society ultimately
Speaker 1: by collaborating with the military dictator enable and the industrialist
Speaker 1: oil guy. But I mean they are not really that
Speaker 1: involved in the day to the run into their society.
Speaker 1: You know, like Parla would be the same with without them.
Speaker 1: And interestingly, the reason they were taking part in the
Speaker 1: destruction of party society is because they were educated in
Speaker 1: Europe by Christians and then went back to parlor. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's interesting because he's kind of playing with it. Sounds
Speaker 1: like the same thing Token was, because like Jared Token
Speaker 1: at the end of his life kind of identified himself
Speaker 1: as like this weird sort of monarchist anarchist where he
Speaker 1: wanted there to be that the ideal society was one
Speaker 1: in which people, you know, there was people could not
Speaker 1: exercise power over each other, but there was a little hierarchy,
Speaker 1: and that you had a king who couldn't actually do anything,
Speaker 1: whose purpose was to act as a figurehead. Um and
Speaker 1: I I don't entirely get what he was going through here.
Speaker 1: He wrote a lot on the subject himself, and it's
Speaker 1: interesting that Huxley is kind of playing with the same idea,
Speaker 1: but is is obviously being like, well, this is a
Speaker 1: bad idea. You know, it could only work for so long. Um, YadA, YadA.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I find that compelling. Again, I want
Speaker 1: to read this, and that's something I may dig into more.
Speaker 1: Is kind of like how Token conceived of the ideal
Speaker 1: sort of monarchy versus how how Huxley was thinking about it.
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of interesting. Yeah, well that's gonna
Speaker 1: do it for us here, and it could happen here. Uh.
Speaker 1: Garrison tour dot com to sponsored to dot com. No,
Speaker 1: just drop some acid and google Hitler. Okay, I get seriously,
Speaker 1: don't don't, don't literally do anything else. Don't do that.
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