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Speaker 1: I'm proud of you. Thank you. Welcome everybody to another

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Speaker 1: wonderful episode of it could happen here to d open

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Speaker 1: to take a look at another book, well two books,

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Speaker 1: this time, this time works of fiction, and this time

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Speaker 1: by an English unfortunately writer named Alice Huxley. Right, we'll

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Speaker 1: Nazis who do psychedelics and and then like do like

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Speaker 1: weird esoteric rituals while doing like like psycho drugs, they

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Speaker 1: can confuse these people because like how could you be

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Speaker 1: a Nazi? Well, you're you know, in that mindset, and like,

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Speaker 1: well it's actually for all of yeah, for all these

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Speaker 1: reasons that we've discussed, it can actually assist within that

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Speaker 1: like like fantastical, genocidal, conspiratorial thinking. It can really can

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Speaker 1: really give that a lot, a lot of credence in

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Speaker 1: someone's brains, because especially if you've spoken to someone who

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Speaker 1: is taking psycho like and I've had a specific kind

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Speaker 1: of experience, you can't talk them all to that experience. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: as far as they consume that is that is solidified

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Speaker 1: in mind. You know, this is reality. I just had

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Speaker 1: a glimpse at the reality kind of thing, you know. Yeah, absolutely, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It's one of those like if you want, if you

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Speaker 1: want an illustration of how psychedelics do not work the

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Speaker 1: way some people claim, just make a note of the

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Speaker 1: fact that at every street fight between fascists and anti

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Speaker 1: fascists in Portland, both sides, every single person had fucking

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Speaker 1: weed on them, like the fucking the far right like

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Speaker 1: smoking pot as much as everybody else. Um, they just

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Speaker 1: also do cocaine. Whereas whereas Antifa does yeah yeah, and

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Speaker 1: Tia does ketamine, the Proud Boys do cocaine and they

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Speaker 1: both have everybody's got joints and both people and people

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Speaker 1: on both sides have dropped acid and taken shrimps. Yeah

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Speaker 1: I can. I can say this from a point of

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Speaker 1: journalistic certainty because during one of the rallies where there

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Speaker 1: was a permitted event at the federal part, the police

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Speaker 1: were there and telling people they could not take weed

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Speaker 1: onto the Federal park because it was federally illegal, and

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Speaker 1: every like both sides, people were like all right, ship Michael,

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Speaker 1: turning back because they couldn't walk on with the weed

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Speaker 1: in their pockets. That's gonna open up a whole kind

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Speaker 1: of wound to me, because I don't know if you

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Speaker 1: all saw this tweet I put on recently, like there's

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Speaker 1: still this resistance the drugs and to particularly to like cannabis,

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Speaker 1: and you would think that, you know, after decades of

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Speaker 1: research and decades of understanding and really decades, not even decades,

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Speaker 1: it's centuries of its use in various you know, religious

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Speaker 1: and spiritual practices that by now, you know, in a

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Speaker 1: post colonial country would reach the point where you know,

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Speaker 1: we let it go and we determinalized it. But although

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Speaker 1: the we're kind of in the process of it, we

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Speaker 1: still have this situation where the police are like constantly

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Speaker 1: burning down like fields of cannabis. Like they pull up

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Speaker 1: and they're like, we just seized and burned down like

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Speaker 1: one million dollars worth of cannabis and arrested this than

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Speaker 1: the others. Like, why are we still at this point

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Speaker 1: where um, basic basic like plants and herbs and medicines

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Speaker 1: and whatnot are still hey saying this stigma. It's not

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Speaker 1: grounded in any sort of reality or logic. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's just colonially re prejudice. But that was brief aside. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I the only thing I have much left to see,

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Speaker 1: both island and brief world. Well, you know, listeners, go home,

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Speaker 1: put on some Hitler speeches, drop some as absolutely absolutely

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Speaker 1: not that is the worst idea. Do not do that,

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Speaker 1: Go to the woods, go do basically literally anything else,

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Speaker 1: besides that specific thing. It's that specific thing that is different.

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Speaker 1: Different people can can disagree. No, like that is like

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Speaker 1: one of the worst things to do to your own

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Speaker 1: brain and psyche. Absolutely not. Yeah, just do whatever, whether

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Speaker 1: literally anything else. Watch Star Trek, put On put On

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Speaker 1: off the air I have. I've watched a lot of

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Speaker 1: Star Trek while tripping. There's there's so many better things

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Speaker 1: to do that that thing you said. Mm hm, go

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Speaker 1: watch the movie Conspiracy starring Kenneth brand Off. That could

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Speaker 1: be funny. They are what mascaline is. Neither instructions compute

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Speaker 1: if if acid made time different? What? Yeah, that's kind

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Speaker 1: of mescaline. I mean, mescaline is like the the active

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Speaker 1: thing inside pet. Yeah, mescalin is is a psychedelic the

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Speaker 1: most intense time dilation I've ever experienced, where like you

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Speaker 1: will feel like weeks have passed and it's been like

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Speaker 1: seven hours. Um, it's pretty dope. I definitely recommend mescal

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Speaker 1: and everybody go take mescaline even where at um, well

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Speaker 1: you if you, if you. There is a way to

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Speaker 1: get the cacti, which are legal pretty much everywhere because

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Speaker 1: they're just cactuses and a lot of people use them

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Speaker 1: decoratively and then using a what do you call the

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Speaker 1: pressure cooker, you can you can get the mescal and

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Speaker 1: out of the cacti. I've known people who have done it.

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Speaker 1: I have not personally done it. Obviously, that would that

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Speaker 1: would that would be a criminal. We would never we

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Speaker 1: would never advocate that. Yeah, but but there are ways too.

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Speaker 1: There are ways that like a person with minimal resources

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Speaker 1: can get mescal and out of out of the right cactus.

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Speaker 1: And people have done it, you know. So there's the

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Speaker 1: criminals have done bad people. There's this thing called anyway. Yeah, alright,

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Speaker 1: Saint Andrew. That was awesome. I'm gonna go to read

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Speaker 1: Island now. Um It's it's a good and I haven't

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Speaker 1: read this bummed, I guess at the end of this,

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Speaker 1: I am kind of bummed that as as imaginative a

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Speaker 1: guy as he was, his this was his final story.

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Speaker 1: Well in his utopian story had to end with it

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Speaker 1: being crushed essentially by industrial expansion. Yeah, and like co option,

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Speaker 1: I mean like it is it is it is interesting. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this this was his final book. This was like his

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Speaker 1: like send off, like in a way that's a that's

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Speaker 1: an interesting component though, right, because like in Ireland. Yet

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Speaker 1: it's like the utopian society, but there is a king, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and a queen mother, but not they don't have like

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Speaker 1: the kind of power that you know, we were typically

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Speaker 1: um we still upon kings and queen mothers. You know,

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Speaker 1: they're still they're still able to destroy the society ultimately

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Speaker 1: by collaborating with the military dictator enable and the industrialist

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Speaker 1: oil guy. But I mean they are not really that

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Speaker 1: involved in the day to the run into their society.

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Speaker 1: You know, like Parla would be the same with without them.

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Speaker 1: And interestingly, the reason they were taking part in the

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Speaker 1: destruction of party society is because they were educated in

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Speaker 1: Europe by Christians and then went back to parlor. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's interesting because he's kind of playing with it. Sounds

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Speaker 1: like the same thing Token was, because like Jared Token

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Speaker 1: at the end of his life kind of identified himself

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Speaker 1: as like this weird sort of monarchist anarchist where he

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Speaker 1: wanted there to be that the ideal society was one

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Speaker 1: in which people, you know, there was people could not

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Speaker 1: exercise power over each other, but there was a little hierarchy,

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Speaker 1: and that you had a king who couldn't actually do anything,

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Speaker 1: whose purpose was to act as a figurehead. Um and

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Speaker 1: I I don't entirely get what he was going through here.

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Speaker 1: He wrote a lot on the subject himself, and it's

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Speaker 1: interesting that Huxley is kind of playing with the same idea,

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Speaker 1: but is is obviously being like, well, this is a

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Speaker 1: bad idea. You know, it could only work for so long. Um, YadA, YadA.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I find that compelling. Again, I want

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Speaker 1: to read this, and that's something I may dig into more.

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Speaker 1: Is kind of like how Token conceived of the ideal

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Speaker 1: sort of monarchy versus how how Huxley was thinking about it.

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Speaker 1: I think that's kind of interesting. Yeah, well that's gonna

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Speaker 1: do it for us here, and it could happen here. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Garrison tour dot com to sponsored to dot com. No,

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Speaker 1: just drop some acid and google Hitler. Okay, I get seriously,

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Speaker 1: don't don't, don't literally do anything else. Don't do that.

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Speaker 1: The woods are lovely, the beach is magnificent. Talk to

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Speaker 1: the ocean. It's so much bupper mountain, Google mountain, Yeah

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Speaker 1: like you or something? Yeah yeah, go to a to

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Speaker 1: go to a comic con. Uh literally my suggestions. I

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Speaker 1: will talk about that experience at a later date. All right,

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