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Speaker 1: Hi am Kate Hudson, and my name is Oliver Hudson.

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Speaker 1: We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationships and

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Speaker 1: what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling raival. No, no, sibling.

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Speaker 1: You don't do that with your mouth, Vely, that's good, Oliver, siplocre.

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Speaker 1: Harmonized and harmonize on that. And I've never been good

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Speaker 1: at heart. I can't figure it why I always want

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Speaker 1: about harmonizing. Here, you start singing like like just like

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Speaker 1: being like yesterday, yesterday, all my troubles seems so far

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Speaker 1: away now looksday here to stay believe in yes Okay,

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Speaker 1: I was doing terrible. I was like, what am I doing?

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Speaker 1: I was like, where am I going with this harmony?

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Speaker 1: Or do blackbird? Blackbirds singing in the dead om night,

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Speaker 1: take these broken wings and learn to fly all your life?

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Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on? What's the harmony? Babe? You? Oh yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I can't get it. Ready, go you only waiting for

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Speaker 1: this moment you rise black bob fly black fly into

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Speaker 1: the lad of cool dark night. We don't work on it.

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Speaker 1: I need to work on my harmonies. What's happening here? Okay, Ollie,

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Speaker 1: this is our first episode of the season. Yeah, reasons.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm excited about our season. We got picked up

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Speaker 1: for another season. We picked ourselves with ourselves up its beauty.

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Speaker 1: I love it. Oh my god, it's true. And so

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Speaker 1: we picked ourselves up. Here we are and so we

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Speaker 1: have some amazing people this season, and I'm deck one

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Speaker 1: of my favorites. I think we've ever done. Ron and

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Speaker 1: Clint Howard. We first of all, I didn't even realize

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Speaker 1: is weird because we've known, we've known Ron Howard, and

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Speaker 1: is and you're like, oh, this is the guy in

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Speaker 1: every movie, every movie that you've ever seen, and it

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Speaker 1: was it was so nice to get to know them

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Speaker 1: as siblings. It was like, really kind of a wonderful

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Speaker 1: hour and a half that we had. We've known Ron

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Speaker 1: Howard since we were kids. He directed Backdraft with our dad.

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Speaker 1: Ron Howard is one of the most prolific and talented

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Speaker 1: and legendary directors with some of the great movies, one

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Speaker 1: of which is one of our favorites, Parenthood. Parenthood, which

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Speaker 1: It's timeless, really, yeah, it really is. And Ron, when

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Speaker 1: And I mean, it's crazy being a child actor. It's

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Speaker 1: of his movies. But they also wrote this book together,

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Speaker 1: how they were memoirs and a shared perspective of their

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Speaker 1: like this beautiful, creative upbringing. For me, what really happened

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Speaker 1: He's so brilliant in what he does, and he absolutely

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Speaker 1: Spectrum Now, that's Spectrum Originals, Angela Black. So you were

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Speaker 1: born in New York, both of you. No, I was

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00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: born in Oklahoma. Yeah, was born in la for a reason.

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00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: Mike Clym was born in Burbank at St. Jose's Hospital

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00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 1: there and uh but but uh my dad was in

451
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,160
Speaker 1: the Air Force. Uh at the time because his career

452
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 1: was interrupted Korean War was on. He was about to

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Speaker 1: be drafted. Instead, he chose to enlist so that he

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Speaker 1: could get into the you know, the likeesorer USO and

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00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 1: and do shows and special services and whatnot. And that's

456
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 1: what that's what he did. And instead of having me

457
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 1: on the hospital at the base hospital where very sad

458
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 1: that she'd had a stillborn baby stillbirth the year before,

459
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 1: and it certainly affected them deeply. She wanted to have

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00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 1: me in Duncan with a family doctor. So that's where

461
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,400
Speaker 1: that's why I've never lived in Duncan, but I live.

462
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 1: But I was born in her hometown. And once he

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Speaker 1: got out of the Air Force, he went back into

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00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:27,959
Speaker 1: the acting. And because he had he had been on

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Speaker 1: the road with Henry Fonda in the play Mister Roberts

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Speaker 1: for a year, he had a lot of authority and

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00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 1: he'd been on Broadway with it, had a lot of

468
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 1: authority with summer stock groups to direct that play and

469
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: be in it. And so he, you know, he was

470
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 1: his career was going along well enough that he had

471
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: that kind of opportunity he did, and he and he

472
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 1: started to see that I was picking up on the dialogue.

473
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 1: I was mimicking. He thought that was hilarious. If you

474
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: ever saw the movie he cooked. He took one of

475
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Speaker 1: the seeds where he would play the Henry Fonda part

476
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: and I would play the Jack Lemon part, and we

477
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: would do this scene for people and it would crack

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00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 1: people up. And so how old were you at this point? Three?

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Speaker 1: My daughters like that. She mimics. You can say to her,

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00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 1: say it like this, Ronnie, and she'll just say it

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00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 1: right back. She'd be like, you know, well, having directed

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Speaker 1: a lot of kids, now I recognize that there are

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Speaker 1: you know, there is a thing some kids get pick

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Speaker 1: up on, the notion of make believe in a really

485
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Speaker 1: organized way as something that you can do and people

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Speaker 1: can get a kick out of it. And I've seen

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00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 1: it by there are kids who are at three and

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Speaker 1: four actually understand the game and they're organized enough to

489
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Speaker 1: sort of be able to play along. Really kicks in

490
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 1: by about five or six. But anyway, so he was

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Speaker 1: making the rounds, which is a thing that actors in

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Speaker 1: New York had to do. This is when all the

493
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 1: television live TV and everything was still in New York

494
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty eight and fifty seven. And he wandered into

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Speaker 1: a casting call where there were a lot of kids.

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Speaker 1: He was just gonna leave his picture and a resume

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Speaker 1: with the casting director, who he kind of knew, and

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00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: he said, well, they can't see right now. It's we're swamp.

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Speaker 1: We're doing this movie for MGM. The Journey, and you know,

500
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: and he said, well, call leave a note and he

501
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: left a note, Hey, Ranse Howard stopped by. Hey, by

502
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: the way, I have a son who's a fine actor.

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00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 1: So he was just hoping to make something of cut

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Speaker 1: through somehow. So they called and said, why don't you

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Speaker 1: bring your son in and he said, well, I was

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00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,959
Speaker 1: kind of joking. They said, we'll bring him in, so

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00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: he did, and we did this scene for mister Roberts

508
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: and apparently it went over fairly well. And then they

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00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 1: said can he do you think he could do anything else?

510
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: And I honestly have no idea, but we could try,

511
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 1: and they gave him some sides, and we went home

512
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 1: and prepared and that worked out, and eventually then I

513
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 1: had a screen test, which I write a lot about

514
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: in the book, because they did some kind of remarkable

515
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 1: things to prepare me for the for the screen time.

516
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: This is so wild. I mean, it's also like when

517
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 1: you're talking about it, just this the romance of New

518
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: York in the fifties, you know, and you know how

519
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: amazing that probably, what an amazing time that probably was.

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00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: They loved it, and my mom loved New York, you know,

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Speaker 1: and it's late in her life as she was coming

522
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: to the end of her life. And she'd been ill

523
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 1: for quite a while and had gone back into acting

524
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 1: and had a great run. He has kind of the

525
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 1: new little old lady on the block, you know. And

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00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: she was just getting in these sitcoms and these movie roles,

527
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 1: and you know, she just was working all the time.

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00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: So she was getting a lot of validation there. Unfortunately,

529
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: she was never very healthy and and and she sort

530
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 1: of knew what was going on and one of the

531
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: things that she wanted to do was go back to

532
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Speaker 1: New York and see New York again. Took her back

533
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: and she was in a wheelchair then, and I got it.

534
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: And they wanted to see the apartment where they had

535
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: really you know, been those bohemian kids and on the

536
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: Irving Arms was I think that might have been what

537
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: it was called the Irving Arms and you know, and

538
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 1: they had sort of rented park. You know, it was

539
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: on the Hudson and on the Upper West Side, like

540
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: around like ninetieth or something like that. And and so

541
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: they had, you know, they they had great memories. They

542
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: so they got going from the hotel, they got in

543
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 1: a cab. They went up there to see the place again.

544
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 1: They pulled up and this is like this is so

545
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: much like a movie or a Charles Dickens novel. Literally,

546
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: a wrecking ball is swinging through the air taking the

547
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: building out. Oh no, and yeah that's what I thought.

548
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: I said, Oh no, but here's my mom's vibe. I said, Mom,

549
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 1: were you disappointed by that? And she said, oh no,

550
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: oh no, we felt really lucky, lucky. Yeah, we felt

551
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 1: really lucky that we that we got to be the

552
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: last ones to see it. Oh wow, Okay, so that's

553
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: who she was. I mean, it's also I have to say,

554
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: sort of who you are as a filmmaker, you must

555
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: have carried that with you. Are you have that bittersweet hopefulness? Well,

556
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 1: thank you? I do. I do view things, you know, optimistically,

557
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: but you know, talk talking about your Paul, talking about

558
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: Kurt it. You know, he's the one person we've talked

559
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: a lot about this over the years that you know

560
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: that I I view as somebody who really understood would

561
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: understand our journey and the relationship because your granddad's being.

562
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: He was very matter of fact about it all, and

563
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: it was just like, here's a thing you can do,

564
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 1: right right. I mean we used to talk about this,

565
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 1: so I know, I'm I know I'm right, and and

566
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 1: and and yet conveying. If you look at Kurt's childhood performances,

567
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: he was grounded, he was honest, He wasn't play acting.

568
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: He understood the scene. This is a similar thing that

569
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: Dad was able to do for Clint and I. That

570
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 1: allowed us to really learn the art of something the

571
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 1: you know, the and and and tools that we could

572
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 1: use the rest of our lives. And what's interesting is

573
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: because I mean we never really talk about Pause as

574
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 1: a childhood actor on our show. You know that that's

575
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 1: really like he started at nine and he worked. He

576
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: was a big Disney guy for and you forever, but

577
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 1: he got fed up and quit the business right moved

578
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 1: to Colorado. Yeah, and he was it was going to

579
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 1: be a baseball was going to be Yeah. No, after

580
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,479
Speaker 1: did you have that moment with acting and with being

581
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 1: sort of known or seen where you were like, I'm

582
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: not so sure this is no all in, all in

583
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 1: for all time. I I mean I thought about other

584
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: things like if I could have been if I would

585
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: have been good enough to be a baseball player. I

586
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: thought I could maybe do that seasonally, you know, but

587
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: I when I was eight, they were saying, what do

588
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 1: you want to be when you grow up. My answer,

589
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,839
Speaker 1: my pad answer was actor, writer, producer, director, cameraman, and

590
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 1: baseball player in that order, in that order. Yeah, So

591
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 1: you're five years old, mom gets pregnant with Clint. What

592
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: was your first kind of reaction to having a sibling.

593
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: Did you know that it was going to be a boy?

594
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: Probably not right there? No, No, we didn't know in

595
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 1: those days. You didn't ever know. I was thrilled. I

596
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 1: was thrilled about it. I was kind of a lonely

597
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: kid because you know, first of all, my first two

598
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 1: years of my life they were in the Air Force,

599
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: so they were moving around. Then it's two years in

600
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 1: sort of in New York, but also summer stock and

601
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: then the Thing. Then we did this movie that was

602
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: in Europe, and and that's the first time that I

603
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:59,839
Speaker 1: acted professionally, So you know, I knew kids here and there,

604
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 1: but I didn't have a pal. I didn't have that.

605
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,399
Speaker 1: And I love my parents. We all got along fine,

606
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: but but I immediately was just enthralled with the idea

607
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 1: of their there being somebody else. Yeah, and then when

608
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: when when Clint was born, do you have any of

609
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 1: your earliest memories of him? Yeah? The day we brought

610
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: him home from the hospital. Was that like, oh, well,

611
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 1: I had been on an audition that day. Uh and

612
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 1: uh and came back and to pick them up in

613
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: their fifty two Plymouth four door sedan. Uh. And I

614
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: just remember sitting in the back and you know, they

615
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: wheeled mom out in a chair. It was Saint Joseph's

616
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: Hospital with this little bundle because I I don't remember.

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00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: I don't think I went to the hospital because I

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00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 1: don't ever remember looking through the window and seeing babies

619
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 1: or anything like that. And so here he was in

620
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 1: this in this blanket, and my grandmother, my mom's mom,

621
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: h Louis Spiegel, she was there and she was helping

622
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:08,359
Speaker 1: her and just got in the back and no seat

623
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: belts in those days, but no car seat now holding

624
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 1: her baby. Mom holding her baby and probably with cigarettes

625
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: cigarette and there was Clint. And you know, Clint was

626
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: one of these kids. I remember it. I mean, I

627
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 1: just I was. He had personality from jump. I always

628
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: say he was kind of born with one eyebrow raised.

629
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 1: And do you guys find that people know because because Clint,

630
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,760
Speaker 1: you have one of the most recognizable faces as an actor,

631
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: and you've been in everything and you're hilarious and you

632
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: have memorable moments in a lot of My god, you're

633
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 1: probably more than I know. You do people know that

634
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 1: your brothers well, yes, I think the majority of people

635
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: have figured it out one way or another. It's amazing

636
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:07,240
Speaker 1: to me when when people don't know, like, for instance,

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00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 1: I believe Ron, what show were we on, We're on

638
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 1: the Today Show where the View? Or we were on

639
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,399
Speaker 1: the View and one of the ladies on the View,

640
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: I didn't know you guys were brothers, and I would think, Jesus,

641
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, you know, I don't I get it.

642
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: I've picked that up on the Twitter feed though. But

643
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: people also don't know that that Bryce and I are related. Yeah,

644
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: I mean I got the same thing with my brothers

645
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 1: all the time. They're like, I had no idea that

646
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 1: you guys, and it's like we do, we do more

647
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 1: things together. We posed about each other all the time,

648
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 1: but like between whyatt Allie and I, it's like they

649
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: nobody ever realizes we're related for some reason. You know,

650
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: the interesting thing about about celebrity being celebrity is you know,

651
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 1: after a while and listen, I don't remember when I

652
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 1: wasn't I don't remember when somebody was not looking at me,

653
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: you know, really really taking a look. And in fact,

654
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: one thing that Mom said later in her life, right

655
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 1: kind of towards the end, she was really one thing

656
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: she was really impressed by with me was that even

657
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 1: as a very little kid, I could put blinders on.

658
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 1: I could actually kind of focus on what I needed

659
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 1: to focus on and not worry or be distracted by

660
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: people looking at us. But that being said that, you know,

661
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 1: the celebrity thing, I assume people know, people come up,

662
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 1: people come up and approach me. You would think, well,

663
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 1: they would know something about me. To what extent their knowledge,

664
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but they would they know something. And

665
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: then when I find out what they know is completely wrong,

666
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: you know which I get a kick out of that one.

667
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: People claim they know stuff about me, It's just not

668
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:53,879
Speaker 1: even close. Where do you get your information? But it's

669
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 1: always I have to gauge, I have to gauge, well, okay,

670
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 1: this person, is he just full of it? Yeah? Is

671
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 1: he just what? What? What What? What? Is he? What? Is

672
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 1: he trying to get something? Always? And you also have

673
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 1: that as when you're growing up with a famous parent, right,

674
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 1: we've experienced that too, and I'm sure your kids have

675
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: as well. Though it's also a little opposite where it's

676
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 1: more like you do gauge the bullshitters really early on

677
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 1: because you see how they're reacting to your parent. Like

678
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 1: for me with with Mom and Pom, I have the opposite.

679
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: There's no blinder. It's like I've got like vampire vision,

680
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: Like I can see everything happening. I can see who's

681
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,399
Speaker 1: coming in. I know that immediately they're going to want

682
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 1: to talk to Paul. They want to talk to I

683
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:40,359
Speaker 1: see crazy heightened. Yeah, it's like but you also you

684
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 1: also get sharp, you know, you get sharp on on

685
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 1: on who people are and their intentions, and your your

686
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: intuition just goes boom. I mean, I think it's really

687
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 1: a growing experience. I think my bullshit detector, my bullshit

688
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 1: detector has been you know, really refined and and you know,

689
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 1: honed pretty well. I can miss I miss it. I

690
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: missed my BS detector misses. But I think you're right.

691
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: I generally speaking, do you guys have sibs. Do you

692
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 1: think it did? Does it pull you together as sibbs? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, No,

693
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 1: I think it does for sure, you know, I mean

694
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: I sort of feel that with my kids. We have

695
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,399
Speaker 1: four kids. Two of them are in the business too,

696
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: not but I feel like they they're super close because

697
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 1: we've traveled around and there were was always this a

698
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: little bit of a circus yeaheah, yeah yeah. I mean

699
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,919
Speaker 1: I had a problem with it. I hated when people

700
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: came up to mom. It drove me crazy. I remember

701
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: as a young boy feeling anger, not expressing it because

702
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: I was too little, but being angry when someone would

703
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: come up to my parents, like it was just this

704
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: really sort of instinctive. And then as I got older,

705
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: I did everything that I could to to keep it

706
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 1: quiet and secret who my parents were. I mean everything

707
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:58,280
Speaker 1: that I could. Actually a quick funny story about Katie

708
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 1: and I camp. We were four when Westward ho on

709
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 1: Orches Island really a great sailing camp. This is I

710
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: didn't want anyone to fucking know who my parents were

711
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 1: because I wanted to be anonymous, always like, don't ever

712
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: tell anybody. I want them to like me for me.

713
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:13,240
Speaker 1: I mean, it was a whole thing. I was eleven

714
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,720
Speaker 1: or twelve years old. Cut to where's there's this huge

715
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 1: lawn that we have these all camp sort of what

716
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 1: it's like an assembly like an assembly and it's like

717
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 1: a runway that goes down into the water, and there's

718
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 1: very beautiful dock and it's Orchest Island's beautiful, gorgeous, and

719
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: there's this doc and you know, a schooner on the

720
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: door and the camp counselors giving his announcement. All of

721
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: a sudden, the seaplane goes like buzzes are assembly down.

722
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 1: The assembling does this big left hand turn and distracts everyone.

723
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 1: Everyone's looking up what the hell and they looking at

724
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: and the seaplane lands and pulls up to the dock.

725
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 1: Right up to the dock of the assembly outsteps are

726
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: fucking mother blonde hair like Goldie High, Glori Ron. She

727
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 1: was literally like like I'm looking for my kids. She

728
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 1: runs up the thing and Oliver it was like very happy,

729
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 1: the great story. Well I one of our you know,

730
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:24,800
Speaker 1: four kids. There was one daughter, one of the daughters

731
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 1: with just it was really uh, Dad, leave me off here, Yeah,

732
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: don't come in five hundred yards from you know, the

733
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 1: check in and turn around and I love you, but goodbye.

734
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 1: Did you guys growing up though, because you did have

735
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 1: fame in an early age, Were you ever? But did

736
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: you ever? Were you ever annoyed with But were you

737
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 1: annoyed with it? You know? And was it ever like Jesus,

738
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: I love what I know. I was I never I

739
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 1: never loved that, never loved that. I'm an introvert. I

740
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: love the work, always loved it, loved the set, love

741
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: caught onto the idea that there was this this creative

742
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 1: energy and there was a lot of laughs, and there

743
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 1: was you know, and as a kid, you could actually

744
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 1: earn their respect, real honest respect. You could even be

745
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 1: you could be a peer almost, you know. And I

746
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: loved everything about that. But you know, the world away

747
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:26,479
Speaker 1: from the studio was a little perplexing and uh and

748
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: uh you know, and I was and again I was

749
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: just a Clint. Clint went through it very differently. He

750
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: had a kind of like he talked about those blinders.

751
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:40,240
Speaker 1: He just a very un self conscious, uh confident kid.

752
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 1: And it was like if somebody fucked with him, he

753
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 1: he he didn't throw him. He was like game on.

754
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: Did you embrace that more? Like, yeah, fuck it, this

755
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 1: is who I am and yeah, let me put my

756
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 1: chest out a little bit and I'm good with that.

757
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 1: Well yeah, yeah, you know I did. I did embrace

758
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 1: it more. But I also had the great advantage of

759
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: watching him navig right, you know, and run into it

760
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 1: a lot of spitballs and a lot of water balloons.

761
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 1: I mean, not literally, but you know, Ron put up

762
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: with a lot of crap. Yeah, you know, and I

763
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 1: and I was just smart enough. It was hopefully just

764
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 1: smart enough to be able to sort of identify well, wait,

765
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 1: if you zig here, if you if you kind of

766
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 1: act this way, then they won't pick on you. You know. Listen.

767
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 1: Ron grew up. He was the first kid, and he was,

768
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 1: you know, he was kind of a nerd. He really was,

769
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, I love Ron dearly. You're putting

770
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: that in the past tense. I feel you're not much

771
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: of a nerd anymore, dude, No, I just you know,

772
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 1: so I had the I had. I had the position

773
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:43,720
Speaker 1: of being able to watch him. Listen. What a great advantage. Yeah, see,

774
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:48,240
Speaker 1: my my five year older brother navigate through these tricky

775
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 1: waters of the entertainment business. And forget the entertainment business,

776
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: but life, you know, how how to deal how to

777
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 1: deal with the public, how to deal with people when

778
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: they came up and said, Joe ban General Band, where's

779
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: your bear? You know, and and opie and stuff. I

780
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 1: mean it just was you know, I don't recall ever

781
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: ever not having that, you know, and never not well.

782
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 1: I had to learn how to handwrite, to you know,

783
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,359
Speaker 1: to do autographs, to give autographs. Right. Do you ever

784
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: get any fights with kids? Like fuck? Yeah? Yeah, I

785
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 1: was bullied around. And Dad was a tough guy. He

786
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 1: wasn't a he wasn't aggressive, he didn't ever seek conflict,

787
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 1: but he was you know, he was this strapping farm

788
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 1: boy and he'd wanted to be a boxer. I don't

789
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 1: think he I don't think he ever feared anybody or

790
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 1: anything really in his life. He was just one of

791
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: these guys in a calm, cool kind of you know,

792
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 1: sort of Midwestern zanwe but so he would just say,

793
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,839
Speaker 1: punch him in the nose. Well, you know, I didn't

794
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 1: quite ever get around to punching too many people in

795
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,320
Speaker 1: the nose. We were very good at wrestling in our family.

796
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,280
Speaker 1: Wrestling was a big thing in the in the sixties,

797
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:04,359
Speaker 1: very popular, and we used to play act all that

798
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 1: stuff and uh and Clinton. When Clint came along, he

799
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 1: joined in right away. But I actually because of this,

800
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 1: if they said you want to fight, it never was

801
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 1: punching anyway. It was always sort of tackling and grappling

802
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 1: and I was good at that, and so I kind

803
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,240
Speaker 1: of had to earn my way. My dad knew nothing

804
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 1: about sports, but the reason that I became a middling athlete,

805
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:28,399
Speaker 1: it was that I needed it as an equalizer, uh,

806
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: and I I got. I practiced, man, I mean on

807
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 1: my own in ways that my buddies wouldn't bother to do,

808
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:37,760
Speaker 1: just to get so if I was in a pickup

809
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: basketball game, I you know, they had to deal with me.

810
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: I was pretty good baseball. I could actually make the team,

811
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 1: you know. And yeah, that's how you earned your respect

812
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 1: sort of even though I mean everyone would want to

813
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 1: be in your position on TV making that kind of dough.

814
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 1: But at the same time that's looked down upon when

815
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,280
Speaker 1: you're a kid. Yeah that's right. You earned your respect

816
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 1: through athletics and being like, oh wait, hotly, shit down,

817
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 1: kids actually play ball. You can handle himself on the playground.

818
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,959
Speaker 1: I think I think sometimes for like millennials or gen

819
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 1: Z's for uh, forget that that television what the kind

820
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 1: of stardom it created during during nothing I mean not

821
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: that long ago, but but really, when you were When

822
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: you were on that show, you were everyone. There were

823
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 1: only so many channels, that's right, three channels, and there

824
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 1: were only so many shows. I mean, you were really

825
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 1: America's child star. I mean people tuned in and it's

826
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: like being a beatle. I mean, I don't want to

827
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 1: compare you to a beat I'm just like Justin Bieber

828
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 1: of his day. It was it was that happened to

829
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 1: Henry Winkler, that actually happened to Henry Winkler with Happy Days,

830
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 1: and that was a different kind of a thing. But

831
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 1: what what But there was an absolute familiarity that was,

832
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 1: you know, unlike anything that would really happen today to

833
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 1: a kid actor. And the show was a top ten

834
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 1: show for eight years. In fact, it was the number

835
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 1: one show in the nation the last year that it

836
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 1: was on the air. But Andy Griffith was just tired

837
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: of doing it wanted to try something else. Now you're

838
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 1: a success if you have you know, two and a

839
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:16,839
Speaker 1: half million people watching your show. When when when you

840
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 1: were how many people were watching that show? If you didn't,

841
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:22,359
Speaker 1: if you didn't hit thirty million, it was an off week. Yeah, yeah,

842
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 1: fucking Grase, So did you what did you do? I

843
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 1: did so everly well. Before we talked about everly well,

844
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 1: this is everly well. Okay, this is the idea is

845
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 1: you can what if you could use science right to

846
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 1: discover more about your body all year long? You give

847
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 1: yourself more clarity, better understanding of your health and your

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Speaker 1: of each other when you were younger? I didn't have

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00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 1: to protect him. I was an He was a good

902
00:52:57,160 --> 00:53:04,760
Speaker 1: young athlete, terrific actor, funny, made friends easily. I admired Clint.

903
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Speaker 1: I thought he was cool. I was proud of him,

904
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Speaker 1: really proud of him. He never got picked on by anybody,

905
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Speaker 1: and uh so I didn't have to protect him. And

906
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Speaker 1: Dad was a protector. You know, he's a freelance actor.

907
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:19,840
Speaker 1: He wasn't on a series. Uh you know, he worked

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Speaker 1: two days here, a day there, and a week there,

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Speaker 1: and uh so he was around and and also a

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Speaker 1: very protective family. I mean, we hung in the neighborhood

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Speaker 1: by today's by today's standards, we had a lot of

912
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Speaker 1: freedom because but for those standards, we were held very

913
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,840
Speaker 1: close in our in our little bubble. Yeah we had pals,

914
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Speaker 1: and yes we could run the neighborhood to an extent,

915
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Speaker 1: but not the way everybody else could. But I but

916
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Speaker 1: he he made me feel safe wherever I was on

917
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Speaker 1: a set or anywhere else. Did you guys, did you

918
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 1: guys have lulls in your relationship? You know what I mean,

919
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 1: like moving forward in your life where you didn't talk

920
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:00,879
Speaker 1: for a while. Kate, now were just having this to talk.

921
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 1: You know, she went and worked in Europe for five

922
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Speaker 1: months and I was doing my thing and sometimes you

923
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 1: don't talk for months and months. Yeah, I mean twenty

924
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 1: that we hardly talked for ye yeah, in our twenties

925
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 1: that we barely we would like to see each other, well,

926
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 1: I mean we have stayed close over the years. But

927
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 1: we live on Clint. Clint lives on the West coast.

928
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 1: I live on the East coast, you know. And and

929
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 1: this year I've only been in the United States two weeks.

930
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:27,400
Speaker 1: Uh so, uh, the you know, this book in fact,

931
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 1: has been a kind of a gift. And I, you know,

932
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 1: I've thought about it. I thought, well, my mom and

933
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 1: dad they wanted us to be closed, they'd love that

934
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 1: we did this book. And uh, you know, and it's

935
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 1: this is not any sort of uh reuniting, but definitely

936
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 1: it's been great for these two years to have a

937
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 1: project to work on, a reason to get on the

938
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 1: phone and be sharing emails and talking back and forth,

939
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 1: don't you think. And they're reminiscing too, right, Clint, just

940
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 1: like you get to relive it again, which is probably

941
00:54:56,680 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 1: painful and beautiful all the same time. You know. Yeah,

942
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 1: but listen, I'll tell you what I dwell more on

943
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:04,359
Speaker 1: the fact that, you know, we were a New York

944
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 1: Times bestseller for a month. I'm proud, first of all,

945
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 1: I'm proud that Ron and I could could collaborate and

946
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:16,720
Speaker 1: do something that you know, affects people. Well, we're getting

947
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 1: you know, wonderful reviews and friends and people just you know,

948
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 1: they heartfelt, heartfelt response. Let me double back. I was

949
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 1: as best as I could, being five years younger. I was.

950
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 1: I was the best of my ability, protective of Ron.

951
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 1: He went through, you know, being Opie when you're like

952
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 1: fifteen years old or sixteen years old and having been

953
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 1: Opie for the better part of a decade, that's shitty,

954
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 1: you know. Now. Granted the work wasn't and I know

955
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:54,360
Speaker 1: it was a beautiful experience, and I met Andy and

956
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:58,319
Speaker 1: Don all these beautiful people got together and created this

957
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 1: great show. But Ron is left as a teenager with

958
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 1: acne being hey, hopie, opey dopey, you know, and so,

959
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 1: and even through happy days, even through happy days, it

960
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 1: was like I was, I don't know, just maybe cosmically

961
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 1: or whatever I could do. I was just you know,

962
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 1: I believed him as a director. I believe when he

963
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 1: was fifteen years old and I was ten, I looked,

964
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 1: I looked around and said, shit, this guy's as good

965
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Speaker 1: as anybody right now, and he's fifteen years old. Imagine

966
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 1: if he has a little experience under his belt. I

967
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 1: never doubted for a second that he could do it,

968
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:42,359
Speaker 1: and I supported him. You know as as best as

969
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 1: I could, with as much positive sort of you know,

970
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I got past the ping on him part. Wow,

971
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 1: he did that? Did that too, Oliver did that to me? One,

972
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 1: I have kind of gotten I have not gotten past it.

973
00:56:56,840 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 1: So Oliver, yeah, he's still like, yeah, Well it was.

974
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 1: We shared a bathroom, and so I was a very

975
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 1: aggressive young girl who was like, get out, come on,

976
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Speaker 1: I need the bathroom, and I just walk in. And

977
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Speaker 1: then that was the way he deterred me. He just

978
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 1: turned out and start being everywhere and in our in

979
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 1: our situation. Uh. Clint was about eighteen months old. Uh,

980
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 1: still in diapers, still those last stages of diapers. And

981
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 1: I remember being down on the floor planning with Lincoln

982
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 1: Logs or something, and all of a sudden, I feel

983
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 1: this this warm stream hitting my cheek and I'm hearing

984
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 1: this sort of shortling little laugh has stripped off his diaper,

985
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 1: leaning held us forward with his arms in the air,

986
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 1: which is where I gave him the nick. From then

987
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 1: on he was the he he man, I oh my god,

988
00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 1: I just did it once. I just did it once.

989
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 1: About it. You know. One of the things that really

990
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 1: struck me in the book was about your parents and

991
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 1: the handling actually of the finances and that, and it

992
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 1: was like, that's such a rare thing for child actors

993
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:20,960
Speaker 1: or young kids who are pop stars, that the parents

994
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 1: actually are saving that money for their children. Forget. They

995
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 1: knew it was yours to be earned. I think you

996
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 1: had the perfect parents to orchestrate it that way, because

997
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:35,240
Speaker 1: they were the bohemians, they were the artists, and they

998
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 1: understood hard work. And your dad was a journeyman actor.

999
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:40,440
Speaker 1: You know, it's like, oh, okay, you know, I'm not

1000
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 1: going to fucking steal values. You know, they had values.

1001
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 1: And I think the fact that very quickly I was

1002
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 1: getting more work than he was, he didn't never there

1003
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:51,920
Speaker 1: was no way he wasn't going to abandon his career ever.

1004
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 1: But I also think as a point of pride, we

1005
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:58,919
Speaker 1: were going to buy god live on his paycheck and

1006
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 1: he was never going to You're never going to put

1007
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 1: his son or sons in the situation where they were

1008
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 1: in any way the breadwinners. It was, this was this

1009
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 1: was their household, this was their family. In fact, when

1010
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 1: when Cheryl and I started having kids, he said, I've

1011
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 1: only got one piece of advice for you guys. You know,

1012
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 1: and be loving, but it's not the kids home. Don't

1013
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 1: let them run the show you. They need you to

1014
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 1: be the parent. They need you to define what your

1015
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 1: household is going to be. And you know, I immediately

1016
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 1: recognize that that's that's what he did. But that also

1017
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:42,440
Speaker 1: entailed saving our money and and uh because he you know,

1018
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 1: I mean they took a manager's fee. You guys know

1019
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 1: what manager's fees are usually fifteen. I was like this,

1020
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:52,520
Speaker 1: That's how I'm saying, this is like the most emotional

1021
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:57,240
Speaker 1: best managers ever. I want to just jump a little

1022
00:59:57,280 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 1: bit ahead to like the days that you guys are

1023
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 1: both kind of like killing it as actors. You're young,

1024
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 1: did you party, Like, were there moments where you guys

1025
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 1: were like, we're going to like cash in tonight on

1026
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 1: our fame and we're gonna party. Well, no, I never.

1027
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 1: I never partied with with Ron Well, as I'm saying,

1028
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 1: did you guys ever have those moments together? No? No, no,

1029
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 1: but I'm never. I'm not. I mean, look, I am

1030
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 1: not a partier. I mean I was, I really just

1031
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:34,040
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm just not and it's not in my

1032
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 1: DNA and I and I don't I'm not comfortable in

1033
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 1: those situations. It's not fun for me. And so yeah, college,

1034
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 1: you know, sure, you know, cut loose a little bit,

1035
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 1: you know, some drunken summersaults down the hall at Trojan

1036
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 1: Hall and at USC sure, but not fun. The next

1037
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 1: day it was like, why did I do sumersaults hall?

1038
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 1: I don't want to do summersaults down the fucking hall.

1039
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:02,920
Speaker 1: That was not funny. But you know, you know, we didn't.

1040
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:06,480
Speaker 1: We we didn't even like, we didn't go shopping on

1041
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 1: Rodeo Drive. We didn't go we we never you know,

1042
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:12,960
Speaker 1: Mom and Dad set up our lives. You know. We

1043
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:16,640
Speaker 1: were dressed from Sears, you know, Sears catalog and and

1044
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 1: and you know we I know I had one suit,

1045
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:23,919
Speaker 1: you know, I wasn't we we didn't. We didn't live

1046
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:27,480
Speaker 1: like we were going to a party. That was just

1047
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:29,960
Speaker 1: not set up. We were. We were the howards. We

1048
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 1: we you know, and they weren't very social. I mean

1049
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:39,600
Speaker 1: they were like socially ambitious, you know at all. Uh

1050
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:41,920
Speaker 1: they had friends and pals and there were parties and

1051
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:45,200
Speaker 1: so forth, but but uh, we like I never saw

1052
01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:47,880
Speaker 1: any of the other kid actors, I know, I mean

1053
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 1: unless I unless I was working with one of them

1054
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:53,320
Speaker 1: on a show or crossing, you know, sitting across from

1055
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:55,959
Speaker 1: them and at an audition. You know, I was, we were,

1056
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 1: there was a meet there. We had really bifurcated lives.

1057
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 1: It was it was work, which we understood and liked,

1058
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:05,400
Speaker 1: and then it was it was it was literally it

1059
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 1: was Burbank, California and the Parks and Recreation Department and school,

1060
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 1: and that was Those were our lives. Both of you

1061
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:15,320
Speaker 1: just just said, very interesting dynamic because it's very different

1062
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:18,280
Speaker 1: and opposite than what most people would think would happen

1063
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:21,480
Speaker 1: when you're growing up, as I mean, what was your

1064
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:25,040
Speaker 1: first job, Clint? How old were you? Well? I did

1065
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:27,880
Speaker 1: an episode of The Andy Griffiths Show when I was

1066
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 1: two years old. And in fact, we're just I'm a

1067
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:35,920
Speaker 1: few days shy of being sixty years in the industry

1068
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 1: aid professional. That is, Have you been a SAG member

1069
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:44,320
Speaker 1: for sixty years? No, because when back in nineteen sixty one,

1070
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:48,360
Speaker 1: infants and kids didn't have to join SAG. I don't

1071
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:54,240
Speaker 1: think I joined SAG until nineteen sixty four or sixty five. Wow, yeah,

1072
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:59,040
Speaker 1: I'm like sixteen thousand. I don't know what your number is, Ron,

1073
01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:04,240
Speaker 1: but my numbers like sixteen thousand. Dad's dad's number remarkably

1074
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:08,680
Speaker 1: was like twenty three hundred because it goes by seniority.

1075
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 1: There was a there was a woman, that lady, an

1076
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:13,640
Speaker 1: actress who was number one. I think James Cagney was

1077
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 1: like number two or three, but it went by whoever joined.

1078
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 1: Have you directed Clint meaning in one of your movies,

1079
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:22,080
Speaker 1: in one of your movies or meant multiple of your

1080
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:25,800
Speaker 1: multiple Yes, Unt Paula thirteen is probably one of Clint's

1081
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 1: bigger roles, but also the paper. I don't know how

1082
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:33,320
Speaker 1: many movies do you think Clint ten eleven? Well, yeah,

1083
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:35,480
Speaker 1: you know, I can. I can count the ones that

1084
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:39,920
Speaker 1: I wasn't in. I'll tell you that. I mean, are

1085
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:42,040
Speaker 1: there are times where Clint's like, Ron fucking put me

1086
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:45,920
Speaker 1: in this movie. No fright says that, but he gives

1087
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:49,520
Speaker 1: me the look uh and uh and and uh you

1088
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:52,080
Speaker 1: know and look. I love working with him. He's great.

1089
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:56,440
Speaker 1: He's he's he's just elevates every scene he's in. He's creative,

1090
01:03:56,680 --> 01:03:59,680
Speaker 1: he also knows his way around. He's no must, no fuss,

1091
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:03,240
Speaker 1: everything you could dream of, so additive. But I never

1092
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:05,200
Speaker 1: put him in just to put him in, right, It's

1093
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:08,440
Speaker 1: gotta be right. If he can score and there's something

1094
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:10,680
Speaker 1: really to do, that's you know, then I love having.

1095
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:14,480
Speaker 1: That's how I feel about I'm still riding, guys, hold On,

1096
01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:18,080
Speaker 1: hold on the one. I wanted to be in Heart

1097
01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:22,680
Speaker 1: of the Sea whaling movie. I just couldn't drop the weight.

1098
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:27,400
Speaker 1: I couldn't play dying skinny right. I wanted to be.

1099
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:32,360
Speaker 1: I wanted to be on that lifeboat, but it entailed

1100
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:35,040
Speaker 1: not eating for three months and far and far and

1101
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:37,760
Speaker 1: away Clinton. There's this there's the scene where they're claiming

1102
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:44,560
Speaker 1: the land. Charlie and n Claude Kidman is like up

1103
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:47,080
Speaker 1: on that hill and her like perfect hair is like this,

1104
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:49,640
Speaker 1: and then she gets on the horse and she on

1105
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:51,680
Speaker 1: there And I remember when I was seeing that when

1106
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:54,160
Speaker 1: I was little, and I was like, I will be

1107
01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:59,560
Speaker 1: running on a horse one day. On it was like,

1108
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 1: this is the image I see and that I want

1109
01:05:02,600 --> 01:05:07,160
Speaker 1: to be as an actress. Well, that's fantastic. I'm also

1110
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:10,000
Speaker 1: bummed out I wasn't in that too. Well, well Clip

1111
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 1: was in that one. He actually had a funny part.

1112
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:15,720
Speaker 1: In fact, didn't Nicole punch you or push you down

1113
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:19,600
Speaker 1: or something in that movie? Yeah? She pushed me into

1114
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:22,720
Speaker 1: a big vat of feathers because I was the foreman

1115
01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 1: of the chicken pluck. Oh yeah, oh my god, wait

1116
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:31,560
Speaker 1: have you as Ron made you audition effort? Oh yeah,

1117
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:37,000
Speaker 1: well I auditioned. I auditioned until about nineteen eighty four,

1118
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:41,640
Speaker 1: and then it was Ron hired me in Backdraft and

1119
01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:45,960
Speaker 1: my scene was with Robert de Niro and Ron. You know,

1120
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:48,800
Speaker 1: I know you told me this that Brian, your partner,

1121
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:50,800
Speaker 1: came up and said, don't you think we ought to

1122
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:53,560
Speaker 1: maybe audition him or something? And then once Brian saw

1123
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:57,600
Speaker 1: my performance in Backdraft, he said to you, your brother

1124
01:05:57,640 --> 01:06:02,880
Speaker 1: doesn't have to audition anymore. But back to Far Away,

1125
01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 1: I just want to say one thing about that, you know,

1126
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:09,640
Speaker 1: very you know, romantic, idealized rose colored glasses, look back

1127
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:12,480
Speaker 1: at the you know, at that period of history and

1128
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:16,440
Speaker 1: just you know, almost it's not exactly a full on comedy,

1129
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:19,360
Speaker 1: but it's definitely a romance. It was a blast to do.

1130
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:22,080
Speaker 1: I loved working with them. But the land race scene,

1131
01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:26,240
Speaker 1: which was epic to do, was really meaningful to me

1132
01:06:26,520 --> 01:06:31,800
Speaker 1: because we had three ancestors who rode in that race. Wow,

1133
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:35,360
Speaker 1: and nobody got anything. But that's why I was always

1134
01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:40,200
Speaker 1: fascinated by that event, which you now look at and realize, well,

1135
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:43,120
Speaker 1: they were they took the land from the Native Americans

1136
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:46,120
Speaker 1: and the railroad, you know, wanted people in there, and

1137
01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:48,280
Speaker 1: they gave it away to the Anglos. And it's kind

1138
01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:51,440
Speaker 1: of a you know, it's a dubious page in our history,

1139
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:55,160
Speaker 1: but but it meant something in our family history. And

1140
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:59,280
Speaker 1: on the day that we were filming that that scene,

1141
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:03,520
Speaker 1: I remember we had thirteen cameras. We had all of

1142
01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:06,160
Speaker 1: these seven hundred and fifty extras and horses and what

1143
01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:09,120
Speaker 1: and including my father, which I'll get to in a second,

1144
01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:11,360
Speaker 1: and I'll tell a story that's not in the book

1145
01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:13,200
Speaker 1: because it came after the period of time that we

1146
01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:16,160
Speaker 1: were covering in the book. And I just I was

1147
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:20,120
Speaker 1: on a camera, crane booming up and I looking at

1148
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:21,960
Speaker 1: it and it was dawn, and I said, oh my,

1149
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:26,240
Speaker 1: this is this is as close to a time machine

1150
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:30,480
Speaker 1: as anyone could ever experience. Because my relatives were there,

1151
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:34,600
Speaker 1: they were feeling this anxiety, you know, one hundred years ago.

1152
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:37,800
Speaker 1: It was wild. But speaking of that hundred years, my

1153
01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:41,000
Speaker 1: dad was in that movie and a really good horseman

1154
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:44,240
Speaker 1: and he and he was going to ride it. You know,

1155
01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:48,840
Speaker 1: his character was supposed to race. And we did three

1156
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:52,640
Speaker 1: runs at this thing, and with all these seven hundred

1157
01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:56,920
Speaker 1: people and horses lined up, the head, the head wrangler

1158
01:07:56,960 --> 01:07:59,720
Speaker 1: and stunt coordinator, Walter came up to me and he said,

1159
01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:02,080
Speaker 1: you know, in the first one, we're not having any

1160
01:08:02,120 --> 01:08:04,840
Speaker 1: principles ride because we don't know exactly what's going to

1161
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:07,840
Speaker 1: happen with this thing. And you know, and your dad's

1162
01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:10,800
Speaker 1: a good horseman, bona fide, but he was sixty sixty

1163
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:13,880
Speaker 1: six years old as I'm sixty seven. He's a good horseman,

1164
01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:16,920
Speaker 1: but he wants to ride in his shot. And I

1165
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:19,880
Speaker 1: keep telling him, ran, sid's a wh they're all wide angles.

1166
01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:22,120
Speaker 1: It's the reason for you to do that. We're not

1167
01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:25,800
Speaker 1: letting any actors do it. And please tell him because

1168
01:08:25,840 --> 01:08:29,160
Speaker 1: I don't feel safe about this. And so I went

1169
01:08:29,240 --> 01:08:31,639
Speaker 1: up to Dad and I said, Dad, Walter's the man

1170
01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:35,200
Speaker 1: here on this. You know, we're not going to have

1171
01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:37,360
Speaker 1: a camera on you. There's just no reason for you

1172
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:39,320
Speaker 1: to do it. The next go, I'm going to have

1173
01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:42,040
Speaker 1: Cruise in there with Nicole and you and I have

1174
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:46,400
Speaker 1: cameras for you guys. And he said, I said, oh see,

1175
01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:49,439
Speaker 1: you just sit out the first one. And I started

1176
01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:52,639
Speaker 1: to walk away and he said, son, and he almost

1177
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:54,400
Speaker 1: never hit me with that one, and it was just

1178
01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:57,080
Speaker 1: like a movie. I turned around. He kind of waved

1179
01:08:57,080 --> 01:08:59,360
Speaker 1: for me to walk back over there, and he said,

1180
01:08:59,840 --> 01:09:05,120
Speaker 1: he said, let me tell you something. He said, one

1181
01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:08,519
Speaker 1: hundred years ago, I had three ancestors who rode in

1182
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:13,120
Speaker 1: this thing. One hundred years later, my son is directing

1183
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:15,840
Speaker 1: a movie about it, and I'd like to ride in

1184
01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:26,360
Speaker 1: the shot Walter, and I said, get him his horse. Yeah,

1185
01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:30,320
Speaker 1: let me. I'm just like an estheteric question, because you know,

1186
01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:34,160
Speaker 1: I'm an actor, but directing is something that I've done

1187
01:09:34,160 --> 01:09:36,439
Speaker 1: since I was a kid, when she was acting as

1188
01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:39,240
Speaker 1: a as an infant, I was in the fifth grade

1189
01:09:39,320 --> 01:09:43,000
Speaker 1: making movies. I went to college, blah blah blah, needed

1190
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:45,400
Speaker 1: to make money, became an actor. But you know, directing

1191
01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:49,120
Speaker 1: is something that is a passion of mine, a passion

1192
01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:51,960
Speaker 1: that I don't really pursue because I'm constantly trying to

1193
01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:55,559
Speaker 1: support a family and it gets overwhelming. Honestly, the process

1194
01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:59,160
Speaker 1: is overwhelming for right now in my life. But a

1195
01:09:59,200 --> 01:10:03,040
Speaker 1: bigger question, what do you feel when you are making

1196
01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:06,720
Speaker 1: a movie? Like what is that emotion? Not necessarily in

1197
01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:11,240
Speaker 1: conjunction with the story, but just overall, you know, I

1198
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:15,479
Speaker 1: feel a kind of a I mean, it varies because

1199
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:19,639
Speaker 1: it's it's shifting. But the biggest thing that I noticed

1200
01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:23,439
Speaker 1: was that I was less tired at the end of

1201
01:10:23,439 --> 01:10:26,960
Speaker 1: a day of directing then I was in any day

1202
01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:29,479
Speaker 1: where I had like sizeable work to do as an actor.

1203
01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 1: That the elevator ride of did it and a self

1204
01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:35,680
Speaker 1: doubt and did I get it? And I wish they

1205
01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:37,920
Speaker 1: would have given me another one? Or you know or

1206
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:42,440
Speaker 1: I you know it is was far more exhausting emotionally

1207
01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:46,160
Speaker 1: getting there and back than directing. Where you where you

1208
01:10:46,160 --> 01:10:50,120
Speaker 1: you step on a set, you've prepared everything, and your

1209
01:10:50,479 --> 01:10:54,960
Speaker 1: your focus and your energy level immediately just zooms. If

1210
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:58,960
Speaker 1: you've got you know, to a nine point seven and

1211
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:02,600
Speaker 1: with the first questions coming in and it never stops.

1212
01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:05,679
Speaker 1: It's like that kind of all. You're sort of between

1213
01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:08,400
Speaker 1: eight point five and nine point seven all day long,

1214
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:12,120
Speaker 1: and that's the energy level. So it's really focused. But

1215
01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:14,519
Speaker 1: when things start to go well, it can be really

1216
01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:16,879
Speaker 1: by the way. It also it makes you feel stupid

1217
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:20,639
Speaker 1: because you inevitably make a lot of bad calls every day,

1218
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:23,040
Speaker 1: a lot of the little mistakes that eat up time

1219
01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:26,080
Speaker 1: that you know, And I'm always for trying to be

1220
01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:29,200
Speaker 1: as efficient as possible because I want to create space.

1221
01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:32,320
Speaker 1: I want to create space in the schedule for the

1222
01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:35,559
Speaker 1: good idea, for the for the for the for the

1223
01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:38,599
Speaker 1: go back, for the actor wants to try it another way,

1224
01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:42,240
Speaker 1: for all of those things. And so I try to

1225
01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:46,320
Speaker 1: be very, very efficient while also creating an environment where

1226
01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:51,479
Speaker 1: the key people can can feel like they're you know,

1227
01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:53,920
Speaker 1: they that they've been given a shot to do their

1228
01:11:53,960 --> 01:11:56,160
Speaker 1: best work. I wanted to create that environment every day

1229
01:11:56,200 --> 01:12:00,639
Speaker 1: on behalf of the story. And there are times when

1230
01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:04,160
Speaker 1: there is definitely a feeling of a flow. There's a time.

1231
01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:07,360
Speaker 1: There are times when you are saying, we're moving to

1232
01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:10,720
Speaker 1: this setup over to here, and by the way, talk

1233
01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:13,160
Speaker 1: to the actor, remind them of such and such, turn

1234
01:12:13,240 --> 01:12:15,760
Speaker 1: around to the DP. Don't forget, we've got to you know,

1235
01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:19,200
Speaker 1: to switch with lens. Let's switch the lens. And it

1236
01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:24,280
Speaker 1: can be really thrilling because the machine starts to work

1237
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:27,559
Speaker 1: around that little goal, which is going to be the moment,

1238
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:32,519
Speaker 1: the moment you're trying to get. Uh and uh, it's thrilling.

1239
01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:34,559
Speaker 1: I find it thrilling. I still find it thrilling. I

1240
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:37,200
Speaker 1: just finished doing a movie and it was hard, hard work,

1241
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:42,080
Speaker 1: but I sort of rewarded every so often every day

1242
01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:45,400
Speaker 1: when you when you hit those moments and a problem

1243
01:12:45,439 --> 01:12:48,600
Speaker 1: gets solved and something good gets you know, are you

1244
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:52,840
Speaker 1: doing your post in London too? Yes? Everything I'd be

1245
01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:55,920
Speaker 1: shot in Australia and we're doing posting. Oh I see. Okay.

1246
01:12:56,040 --> 01:12:58,759
Speaker 1: What about your ego? Now? It's a weird question because

1247
01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:01,719
Speaker 1: you seem like the least the egotistical man of all time.

1248
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:05,519
Speaker 1: But when you become successful and more and more, do

1249
01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:07,720
Speaker 1: you ever have to check your ego? Meaning? Like, I

1250
01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:10,439
Speaker 1: am the ship. I know I'm the ship. Everyone knows

1251
01:13:10,479 --> 01:13:13,479
Speaker 1: I'm the ship. I've made incredible movies and Hollira. I

1252
01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:16,960
Speaker 1: don't think Ron Howard sees himself like I think you

1253
01:13:17,439 --> 01:13:22,120
Speaker 1: have a feeling it manifests itself. I would. I wish

1254
01:13:22,200 --> 01:13:24,840
Speaker 1: I would allow myself that a little bit more. Really,

1255
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:27,120
Speaker 1: I'm yeah, I need to I need to get your

1256
01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:30,559
Speaker 1: phone call and you need to chillad me. Man, you're

1257
01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:32,280
Speaker 1: gonna call all You're gonna be like Allie, give me

1258
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:37,320
Speaker 1: something right at this moment? I I am I don't

1259
01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:41,840
Speaker 1: I am not the ship. I am ship, right? I

1260
01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:44,040
Speaker 1: know that feeling I know that I feel like I

1261
01:13:44,120 --> 01:13:46,040
Speaker 1: have that at least once a day when I'm working.

1262
01:13:47,160 --> 01:13:49,599
Speaker 1: You know, Clint, we're going to start wrapping up here,

1263
01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:51,360
Speaker 1: but I really do want to hit on, you know,

1264
01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:54,040
Speaker 1: your struggles with addiction, and I just think that's a

1265
01:13:54,120 --> 01:13:57,240
Speaker 1: really like wonderful, honest thing for you to do and

1266
01:13:57,320 --> 01:13:59,280
Speaker 1: so helpful for so many people. I know, we have

1267
01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:02,680
Speaker 1: so many friends who struggle, And I just wanted to

1268
01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:06,280
Speaker 1: sort of ask if talking about that and letting that

1269
01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:09,200
Speaker 1: out was a very healing process for you, and how

1270
01:14:09,240 --> 01:14:11,160
Speaker 1: you feel about it now that you were able to

1271
01:14:11,200 --> 01:14:14,880
Speaker 1: sort of just be, you know, as open as you

1272
01:14:14,920 --> 01:14:18,439
Speaker 1: were about it in the book, Well, the healing began,

1273
01:14:19,320 --> 01:14:23,479
Speaker 1: you know, in really nineteen ninety one. I mean, and listen,

1274
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:26,440
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I've got to be careful about anonymity

1275
01:14:26,479 --> 01:14:29,759
Speaker 1: and stuff. But you know, there are programs where people

1276
01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:33,320
Speaker 1: gather and they share their experience, strength and hope. And

1277
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:38,040
Speaker 1: you know, I have shared my story umpteen times, hundreds

1278
01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:41,759
Speaker 1: of times. I was did a lot of speaking and stuff.

1279
01:14:42,200 --> 01:14:45,320
Speaker 1: I've laid my cards down on the table before. I

1280
01:14:45,320 --> 01:14:48,840
Speaker 1: didn't find it much different laying my cards on the

1281
01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:52,240
Speaker 1: table in writing this book. You know, listen, I just

1282
01:14:52,439 --> 01:14:57,040
Speaker 1: had a pigeant. That's not quite the right word. I

1283
01:14:57,360 --> 01:15:01,519
Speaker 1: liked the feeling of being I mean, I just did,

1284
01:15:01,920 --> 01:15:03,719
Speaker 1: you know. I think to some degree I still do.

1285
01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:08,160
Speaker 1: I still sort of try to chase euphoria to a degree,

1286
01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:11,439
Speaker 1: you know. But listen, you know, I don't know whether

1287
01:15:11,680 --> 01:15:14,040
Speaker 1: whether it's in my DNA or whether it's something that

1288
01:15:14,160 --> 01:15:17,760
Speaker 1: came about or something. But you know, I was so

1289
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:23,000
Speaker 1: anxious to smoke weed when I was about thirteen years old,

1290
01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:26,559
Speaker 1: maybe fourteen years old, and I can't quite remember that.

1291
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:32,000
Speaker 1: I took the pencil shavings of my pencil sharpener and

1292
01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:36,320
Speaker 1: I twisted up a fatty and I tried to smoke

1293
01:15:36,360 --> 01:15:39,000
Speaker 1: the pencil shavings. Now, you know, I somewhere in my

1294
01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:41,439
Speaker 1: head I knew it wasn't gonna work, but I was

1295
01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:43,920
Speaker 1: just so anxious to try to get there, you know,

1296
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:48,040
Speaker 1: And that I don't know, it wasn't learned behavior. I

1297
01:15:48,040 --> 01:15:50,280
Speaker 1: don't think me being in the business had anything to

1298
01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:52,040
Speaker 1: do with it. It's just it was sort of in

1299
01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:55,320
Speaker 1: like I said, it was in my DNA. And you know,

1300
01:15:55,439 --> 01:15:58,120
Speaker 1: sharing is critical. You know, you're only as sick as

1301
01:15:58,160 --> 01:16:02,280
Speaker 1: your secrets, and you know, and I didn't. This book

1302
01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:05,160
Speaker 1: is not meant to be some sort of revelatory thing because,

1303
01:16:05,200 --> 01:16:08,479
Speaker 1: like I said, I've spoken about this stuff a lot,

1304
01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:11,000
Speaker 1: and you know, with my friends and my family. Ron knows.

1305
01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:14,639
Speaker 1: Ron was right there with me, and Ron Ron drove

1306
01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:17,679
Speaker 1: a couple of times to rehabs to visit me and stuff,

1307
01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:21,320
Speaker 1: you know, and you know, I just felt like as

1308
01:16:21,320 --> 01:16:23,759
Speaker 1: far as as far as you know, as we wrote

1309
01:16:23,880 --> 01:16:28,320
Speaker 1: the Boys, it did happen in my childhood. You know,

1310
01:16:28,439 --> 01:16:31,200
Speaker 1: I did started getting loaded in my childhood. How old

1311
01:16:31,240 --> 01:16:33,240
Speaker 1: it was something that we needed to talk about. You know,

1312
01:16:33,320 --> 01:16:35,439
Speaker 1: I started getting loaded, you know, when I was about

1313
01:16:35,439 --> 01:16:38,000
Speaker 1: sixteen years old, sort of on a daily basis. You know,

1314
01:16:38,280 --> 01:16:41,200
Speaker 1: I played high school baseball. I was a varsity high

1315
01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:45,200
Speaker 1: school player, and I smoked weed and drank you know,

1316
01:16:45,240 --> 01:16:48,040
Speaker 1: I was listen. There was a period of time where

1317
01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:50,480
Speaker 1: it sort of worked, where I was able to anesthetize

1318
01:16:50,479 --> 01:16:53,599
Speaker 1: myself and and everything was great. And then, you know,

1319
01:16:54,120 --> 01:16:57,160
Speaker 1: like what happens with most people with addiction and drug

1320
01:16:57,160 --> 01:17:02,280
Speaker 1: abuse or alcoholism is working, you know, and you know,

1321
01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:04,800
Speaker 1: I'm in a way, I'm really glad that it did

1322
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:07,760
Speaker 1: quit working, because Jesus, you know, my liver would be

1323
01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:12,280
Speaker 1: out to here now. So anyway, I am always grateful

1324
01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:16,200
Speaker 1: to be given an opportunity to share and to talk

1325
01:17:16,280 --> 01:17:20,040
Speaker 1: and one on one with somebody who's struggling or in

1326
01:17:20,120 --> 01:17:23,040
Speaker 1: some sort of a group session. I certainly know that,

1327
01:17:23,160 --> 01:17:26,160
Speaker 1: you know, honesty is the best policy, and you know,

1328
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:28,759
Speaker 1: if it, like you said, if I can do something

1329
01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:31,240
Speaker 1: to help somebody, Jesus, that's you know, that's kind of

1330
01:17:31,240 --> 01:17:33,720
Speaker 1: why I'm on earth. Yeah, did you have to did

1331
01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:36,480
Speaker 1: you have to go through sort of analysis meaning self analysis,

1332
01:17:36,520 --> 01:17:38,680
Speaker 1: just to understand why and where this came from in

1333
01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:41,280
Speaker 1: order to sort of curtail this addiction and come out

1334
01:17:41,320 --> 01:17:43,679
Speaker 1: of it. Oh, I don't know, you know what, back

1335
01:17:43,720 --> 01:17:46,040
Speaker 1: back in nineteen ninety one. I mean, my first run

1336
01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:48,439
Speaker 1: at recovery was nineteen eighty four, and then I had

1337
01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:52,680
Speaker 1: another eighty eight. You know, I hit bedrock, I hit

1338
01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:55,160
Speaker 1: rock bottom, and then skid it along the bedrock for

1339
01:17:55,200 --> 01:18:00,559
Speaker 1: a while. You know, No, you know what, simply enough, freakin,

1340
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:02,839
Speaker 1: I put the plug in the jug and I started

1341
01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:06,639
Speaker 1: taking suggestions of other people. I remember the first time

1342
01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:09,400
Speaker 1: I was I saw the twelve Steps of recovery. I

1343
01:18:09,439 --> 01:18:11,519
Speaker 1: thought these are great, but they need to edit them

1344
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:13,720
Speaker 1: down a little bit. Because there's twelves too many, too

1345
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:17,880
Speaker 1: many edited down to five steps. But in nineteen ninety one,

1346
01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:22,640
Speaker 1: I said, Clint fucking please, let's try to do it

1347
01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:27,439
Speaker 1: their way, you know. And I had success with not

1348
01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:30,600
Speaker 1: a lot of analysis. You know. Of course I did inventories,

1349
01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:32,960
Speaker 1: and of course I worked through things. But you know,

1350
01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:35,960
Speaker 1: I listen, I like to get loaded and it's time

1351
01:18:36,040 --> 01:18:39,720
Speaker 1: to stop. Yeah. I like the straightforward aspect of that,

1352
01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:42,960
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, it's it's pretty straightforward in it, right,

1353
01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:44,680
Speaker 1: maybe it all and it does. It doesn't have to

1354
01:18:44,760 --> 01:18:47,400
Speaker 1: be anything from your child. It's like, well, he made

1355
01:18:47,439 --> 01:18:52,479
Speaker 1: his mom and dad happy proud people when when uh

1356
01:18:52,560 --> 01:18:55,080
Speaker 1: and they both you know, they they both saw it

1357
01:18:55,360 --> 01:19:00,320
Speaker 1: and and and it it made their lives, made their

1358
01:19:00,360 --> 01:19:01,920
Speaker 1: lives to see him go through that and come out

1359
01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:04,880
Speaker 1: of it the way the way. Well, before we end,

1360
01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:07,439
Speaker 1: I just want to say that that the documentary Your

1361
01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:10,439
Speaker 1: Girl did Dad's was just so beautiful. Thank you. I

1362
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:14,120
Speaker 1: even contacted some of the subjects via Instagram just to

1363
01:19:14,240 --> 01:19:17,640
Speaker 1: sort of communicate because I was so I was just

1364
01:19:18,040 --> 01:19:21,800
Speaker 1: so amazed by their stories, and it's it's my number

1365
01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:24,479
Speaker 1: one priority in my life, over my career, over anything else,

1366
01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:26,960
Speaker 1: being a father is extremely important to me because our

1367
01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:29,200
Speaker 1: dad sort of wasn't there and we wanted to break

1368
01:19:29,280 --> 01:19:32,200
Speaker 1: the cycle. I wanted to break the cycle. So watching

1369
01:19:32,479 --> 01:19:37,599
Speaker 1: that was just really powerful. And and how you were

1370
01:19:37,760 --> 01:19:40,360
Speaker 1: raised and how you raised your kids, and how you

1371
01:19:40,439 --> 01:19:43,040
Speaker 1: had a video camera in your hands seemingly all the

1372
01:19:43,280 --> 01:19:48,040
Speaker 1: time filming everything. You're very inspirational as a dad too. Well,

1373
01:19:48,120 --> 01:19:51,240
Speaker 1: thank you. I'll pass that along to to Bryce, who's

1374
01:19:51,479 --> 01:19:54,360
Speaker 1: also here in London working And is your boys still

1375
01:19:54,400 --> 01:19:58,400
Speaker 1: playing golf golf? Yes, yes, yes, Read Read is still

1376
01:19:58,439 --> 01:20:07,080
Speaker 1: playing and all also has a teaching tool called Steadhead,

1377
01:20:07,479 --> 01:20:11,000
Speaker 1: which is selling and he you know, patented this thing

1378
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:14,479
Speaker 1: and doing that as well. Great, Well, before we go,

1379
01:20:14,600 --> 01:20:16,840
Speaker 1: we're gonna do a quick speed round and I just

1380
01:20:17,080 --> 01:20:19,600
Speaker 1: I guess the first question I'm going to start the

1381
01:20:19,640 --> 01:20:23,560
Speaker 1: speed round with is what did this book? In like

1382
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:27,080
Speaker 1: a quick sentence, what did this book? What's a new

1383
01:20:27,200 --> 01:20:29,720
Speaker 1: thing that it taught you about? Your brother? And you

1384
01:20:29,800 --> 01:20:33,680
Speaker 1: guys can both answer it. It reminded me of how

1385
01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:38,640
Speaker 1: funny Clint is, but it taught me that even as

1386
01:20:38,680 --> 01:20:42,040
Speaker 1: a young guy, he was wise to the world and

1387
01:20:42,479 --> 01:20:46,800
Speaker 1: competitive and more competitive than I realized. He was. Well listen,

1388
01:20:47,120 --> 01:20:52,320
Speaker 1: it reaffirmed in my mind. What a freaking awesome man

1389
01:20:52,479 --> 01:20:55,760
Speaker 1: my big brother is. You know, he's consistent. He was

1390
01:20:55,880 --> 01:20:59,880
Speaker 1: consistent when I was five and he was ten. He

1391
01:21:00,160 --> 01:21:04,000
Speaker 1: was consistent. He's consistent when he all through our adult lives.

1392
01:21:04,040 --> 01:21:06,800
Speaker 1: He's been a very consistent presence in my life. And

1393
01:21:06,920 --> 01:21:09,200
Speaker 1: you know, I love that consistency. You know, he's a

1394
01:21:09,280 --> 01:21:12,559
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame guy. And you know, in the sports world,

1395
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:17,040
Speaker 1: there was a ballplayer Carl Yastrimsky, who Carlastrimsky just year

1396
01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:19,800
Speaker 1: in and year out, just banged it out, banged it out.

1397
01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:22,840
Speaker 1: One year he had the Triple Crown. You know, one

1398
01:21:22,920 --> 01:21:26,640
Speaker 1: year the Red Sox won. But you know, day in

1399
01:21:26,720 --> 01:21:29,000
Speaker 1: and day out, you Strimsky, you know, brought his lunch

1400
01:21:29,040 --> 01:21:33,879
Speaker 1: pail to the yard and played ball. And that's Ron awesome.

1401
01:21:35,600 --> 01:21:39,320
Speaker 1: I love that. So Okay, what was the best advice

1402
01:21:39,439 --> 01:21:45,639
Speaker 1: you've received from the other? Wow? Can you go, Clint?

1403
01:21:45,640 --> 01:21:49,519
Speaker 1: Do you have anything? Best advice? Well, okay, the best

1404
01:21:49,560 --> 01:21:53,639
Speaker 1: advice I ever is Ron Ron. In adulthood, Ron would

1405
01:21:54,280 --> 01:21:56,800
Speaker 1: start a lot of sentences, by a lot of conversations,

1406
01:21:56,840 --> 01:21:58,519
Speaker 1: by saying, now, Clint, I'm going to give you some

1407
01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:07,040
Speaker 1: unsolicited advice. But you know, it's wait, it's the consistency

1408
01:22:07,160 --> 01:22:11,280
Speaker 1: of the advice. It's all really solid. And another thing

1409
01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:14,720
Speaker 1: that Ron has done, which I really appreciate, he has

1410
01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:19,719
Speaker 1: dropped tidbits of advice that he has gained from other people,

1411
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:22,680
Speaker 1: people that he has respected, both in the industry and

1412
01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:26,200
Speaker 1: out of the industry. Ron likes to pass along. Ron

1413
01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:29,519
Speaker 1: likes to share, you know, and and you know, he's

1414
01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:32,840
Speaker 1: told me things, little little insights that George Lucas has

1415
01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:35,840
Speaker 1: told him. George and Ron have been, you know, very

1416
01:22:35,960 --> 01:22:39,880
Speaker 1: much close over the years, and it just seems like,

1417
01:22:40,360 --> 01:22:42,120
Speaker 1: right when I needed to hear something, Ry, when I

1418
01:22:42,200 --> 01:22:45,320
Speaker 1: need to hear something, Ron would you know, say something, Oh,

1419
01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:47,320
Speaker 1: you know, I heard this from George Lucas or you know,

1420
01:22:47,479 --> 01:22:50,560
Speaker 1: and not to name drop, but listen, George is a

1421
01:22:50,680 --> 01:22:53,960
Speaker 1: very successful guy, and listen, you know, his advice seems

1422
01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:57,000
Speaker 1: pretty solid to me. So anyway, it's Ron in parts,

1423
01:22:57,520 --> 01:23:00,960
Speaker 1: just the right stuff at just the right time. Clint's

1424
01:23:01,160 --> 01:23:05,639
Speaker 1: Clint's got a great, clear eyed sense of the world.

1425
01:23:05,680 --> 01:23:07,240
Speaker 1: I think some of it has to do with everything

1426
01:23:07,280 --> 01:23:10,240
Speaker 1: that he's lived through and accomplished away from the sets,

1427
01:23:10,439 --> 01:23:13,639
Speaker 1: as much as as as you know, working on movies

1428
01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:16,640
Speaker 1: or television shows. But for him, it's sort of a

1429
01:23:16,760 --> 01:23:19,519
Speaker 1: clear he has a he has a sense that he

1430
01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:23,479
Speaker 1: will try to impart to me to just to trust

1431
01:23:23,560 --> 01:23:27,960
Speaker 1: my gut, give it my best shot and and live

1432
01:23:28,040 --> 01:23:32,240
Speaker 1: with it, and you know, to kind of stop thinking

1433
01:23:32,280 --> 01:23:35,880
Speaker 1: you're going to be able to control the outcome. Do

1434
01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:39,160
Speaker 1: your thing. And I think that there have been many

1435
01:23:39,240 --> 01:23:42,000
Speaker 1: times when he's seen me, you know, sort of straining,

1436
01:23:42,320 --> 01:23:46,040
Speaker 1: struggling with an idea of feeling emotion. And I'll call

1437
01:23:46,160 --> 01:23:48,640
Speaker 1: him up because uh, he has that, he has that

1438
01:23:48,760 --> 01:23:51,360
Speaker 1: wisdom and uh, and can give that kind of advice.

1439
01:23:51,600 --> 01:24:00,200
Speaker 1: Here's one who's more athletic, Clint. Yeah, but great, great,

1440
01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:02,360
Speaker 1: we're great with a hand eye coordination. Decide to pick

1441
01:24:02,439 --> 01:24:04,680
Speaker 1: up a ping pong table and before long he's down

1442
01:24:04,720 --> 01:24:06,560
Speaker 1: there playing with the people on their way to the

1443
01:24:07,200 --> 01:24:14,080
Speaker 1: The first childhood crush for me it was a girl

1444
01:24:14,160 --> 01:24:16,680
Speaker 1: that I was acting with in a TV in a

1445
01:24:16,760 --> 01:24:20,720
Speaker 1: movie at Disney. She recently passed away. Her name was

1446
01:24:20,800 --> 01:24:23,479
Speaker 1: Donna Butterworth. She was a singer. She'd done a movie,

1447
01:24:23,720 --> 01:24:26,920
Speaker 1: an Elvis movie. Uh, and uh, we were in this

1448
01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:30,560
Speaker 1: TV movie together and we we we both had we

1449
01:24:30,640 --> 01:24:34,000
Speaker 1: got through a publicity trip to Disneyland at one point

1450
01:24:34,439 --> 01:24:43,360
Speaker 1: and we kissed on the Monstanto ride. Donna Butterworth Plant Well,

1451
01:24:44,120 --> 01:24:46,519
Speaker 1: he's like Donna or Street from me on Cordover And

1452
01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:51,680
Speaker 1: her name was Paulette Fraconi Ah Italian, but also too

1453
01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:53,840
Speaker 1: and I write about this and the boys. You know,

1454
01:24:54,600 --> 01:24:57,679
Speaker 1: a director that we were really close with, Bob Totten,

1455
01:24:58,479 --> 01:25:01,439
Speaker 1: had a daughter named Heather, and Heather had red hair,

1456
01:25:02,040 --> 01:25:04,360
Speaker 1: and I was, you know, Heather and I actually had

1457
01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:07,280
Speaker 1: a little, you know, twelve year old relationship when you know,

1458
01:25:07,640 --> 01:25:09,880
Speaker 1: about the time I was making The Red Pony. So

1459
01:25:10,200 --> 01:25:13,559
Speaker 1: Heather Totten. Uh, and Heather Totten and Paul etfrit Coney,

1460
01:25:13,880 --> 01:25:16,880
Speaker 1: Hey did did did you? Did mom? And mom and

1461
01:25:16,960 --> 01:25:19,400
Speaker 1: dad have a favorite? And I mean that of course

1462
01:25:19,439 --> 01:25:21,360
Speaker 1: they didn't. But were there times where were like, oh no,

1463
01:25:21,479 --> 01:25:24,320
Speaker 1: of course they Clint's demand or Ron is the man.

1464
01:25:26,200 --> 01:25:30,080
Speaker 1: They were pretty balanced. They were pretty balanced about that.

1465
01:25:30,720 --> 01:25:34,240
Speaker 1: And uh and again there was that distance. Yeah so

1466
01:25:34,760 --> 01:25:38,400
Speaker 1: uh yeah, just the baby, you know, and and and

1467
01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:43,120
Speaker 1: and entertaining as hell and and talented. But I never

1468
01:25:43,240 --> 01:25:46,880
Speaker 1: felt like that that I was being superseded by the kid.

1469
01:25:47,200 --> 01:25:50,280
Speaker 1: You know. The last question we do this with everybody

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Speaker 1: is if there is is a two part question. If

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Speaker 1: there is one thing that you could emulate from your brother,

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01:25:58,080 --> 01:26:00,240
Speaker 1: what would that be? And then the other part of

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01:26:00,240 --> 01:26:02,880
Speaker 1: the question is if there is something that you could

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01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:06,960
Speaker 1: alleviate from your brother that you feel could help them

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Speaker 1: in their life and sort of optimize their life, what

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01:26:10,840 --> 01:26:17,600
Speaker 1: would that be? Well for me, it really is. It

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01:26:17,680 --> 01:26:20,080
Speaker 1: really is simple. First of all, the thing that Ron

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01:26:20,240 --> 01:26:22,080
Speaker 1: needs to take a break every once in a while.

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01:26:23,080 --> 01:26:27,479
Speaker 1: Ron is a determined, dogged, hard working man, very focused

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01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:30,640
Speaker 1: and you know, like I used to play a lot

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01:26:30,720 --> 01:26:33,639
Speaker 1: of golf, and you know I would make this statement.

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01:26:33,680 --> 01:26:36,360
Speaker 1: I would say, you know, while Ron is trying to

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01:26:36,439 --> 01:26:38,479
Speaker 1: learn how to make a better motion picture, I'm learning

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01:26:38,520 --> 01:26:40,280
Speaker 1: how to hit a four iron out of the rough.

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01:26:41,800 --> 01:26:45,760
Speaker 1: You know that sort of capsulated it very much. I'll

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01:26:45,760 --> 01:26:50,760
Speaker 1: tell you Ron may not be an absolute genius. I

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01:26:50,840 --> 01:26:52,720
Speaker 1: mean I love him dearly, but he may not be

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01:26:52,760 --> 01:26:55,599
Speaker 1: an absolute genius. But what he is genius at doing

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01:26:56,280 --> 01:26:59,640
Speaker 1: is staying on a problem and working it. Ron is

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01:26:59,760 --> 01:27:04,960
Speaker 1: for ever putting his maximum brain power onto onto a

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01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:10,880
Speaker 1: situation and getting optimum results. Obviously, you know the proof

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01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:13,479
Speaker 1: is in the pudding. He's got great kids, He's had

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01:27:13,479 --> 01:27:17,200
Speaker 1: a tremendously successful year, a successful career. He's been married

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01:27:17,280 --> 01:27:20,120
Speaker 1: for a zillion years to this beautiful girl and he

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01:27:20,200 --> 01:27:23,160
Speaker 1: met in high school. You know, Ron has done things

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01:27:23,280 --> 01:27:27,280
Speaker 1: right and it and he does it not with genius,

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01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:30,240
Speaker 1: but with focus. And that's something I'd like to have

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01:27:30,280 --> 01:27:33,479
Speaker 1: a little more of. And what would you what would

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01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:38,280
Speaker 1: you alleviate from him? Something to break? Break, just take

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01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:41,600
Speaker 1: a break, take a break. H want to hit the

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01:27:41,720 --> 01:27:45,519
Speaker 1: jack Ron hit the jackpot as a filmmaker in his

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01:27:45,760 --> 01:27:49,599
Speaker 1: mid twenties, and then he proceeded to like go ten

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01:27:49,720 --> 01:27:55,080
Speaker 1: years without taking a family vacation. Right, Oh my god, Ron,

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01:27:57,120 --> 01:27:59,479
Speaker 1: I have a feeling there were family vacations. They were

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01:27:59,560 --> 01:28:04,240
Speaker 1: just happy thing where he was shooting, right, Ron, Wait, wait,

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01:28:04,280 --> 01:28:06,880
Speaker 1: hold on, hold on a second, Ron would I would

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01:28:06,920 --> 01:28:09,280
Speaker 1: be on the phone with Ron and he would be

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01:28:09,400 --> 01:28:11,600
Speaker 1: off on some little two or three day break. This

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01:28:11,800 --> 01:28:14,160
Speaker 1: was later on, because he really did go years without

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01:28:14,240 --> 01:28:18,360
Speaker 1: taking a family vacation. But he would. He had promised

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01:28:18,479 --> 01:28:20,760
Speaker 1: he would. He had promised Cheryl that he wouldn't bring

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01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:23,760
Speaker 1: any scripts with him. He promised Cheryl that he wasn't

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01:28:23,800 --> 01:28:27,400
Speaker 1: going to work on anything show business related. But yet

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01:28:27,439 --> 01:28:29,280
Speaker 1: he would confide in me that he brought a couple

1515
01:28:29,320 --> 01:28:38,760
Speaker 1: of scripts and no good to anybody. Okay, well, so

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01:28:38,960 --> 01:28:48,080
Speaker 1: let's see Clint. The I wish I could have Clint's

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01:28:50,800 --> 01:28:56,000
Speaker 1: sort of ability to own and be himself with with

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01:28:57,160 --> 01:29:03,360
Speaker 1: with uh uh, a complete sense that that's more than

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01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:08,360
Speaker 1: enough and and and you know, Clint doesn't feel like

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01:29:08,439 --> 01:29:10,840
Speaker 1: he has to please people. He's not a guy going

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01:29:10,840 --> 01:29:16,120
Speaker 1: around annoying people or like creating problems. But he's he's

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01:29:16,280 --> 01:29:21,120
Speaker 1: present with himself in the situation, in that moment, with

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01:29:21,240 --> 01:29:25,960
Speaker 1: a with a strong measure of confidence. And I admire that.

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01:29:26,240 --> 01:29:29,200
Speaker 1: I wish I, I, you know, had a little bit

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01:29:29,240 --> 01:29:30,960
Speaker 1: more of that. Sure, I'm confident, I mean, I know,

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01:29:31,040 --> 01:29:34,680
Speaker 1: I'm I've I've had you know, success, and I have

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01:29:34,800 --> 01:29:37,320
Speaker 1: confidence in my ideas and my thoughts. But it's that

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01:29:37,880 --> 01:29:43,479
Speaker 1: it's that sort of real centered stability that you know,

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01:29:43,960 --> 01:29:51,280
Speaker 1: it that that that that I'm enough, you know, and

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01:29:51,520 --> 01:29:54,160
Speaker 1: and and and and more than enough. And I think

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01:29:54,200 --> 01:29:56,680
Speaker 1: Clint has that and I admire that in him. And

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01:29:57,200 --> 01:29:59,519
Speaker 1: because it's uh, you know, and and and with that

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01:30:00,400 --> 01:30:03,560
Speaker 1: is I think more relaxation and a sense to have

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01:30:03,680 --> 01:30:06,559
Speaker 1: more fun, more laughs, and be a little bit looser,

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01:30:06,920 --> 01:30:09,479
Speaker 1: which is great. Uh. The thing that I that I

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01:30:09,600 --> 01:30:16,439
Speaker 1: wish I could I could give him is well, I

1537
01:30:16,520 --> 01:30:21,000
Speaker 1: think he's doing pretty damn well. Uh. The you know,

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01:30:21,200 --> 01:30:23,320
Speaker 1: I I wish I could. I wish I could give

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01:30:23,400 --> 01:30:25,559
Speaker 1: him back some of the time that he did lose,

1540
01:30:27,040 --> 01:30:31,120
Speaker 1: because he went through a rough decade and and and

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01:30:31,280 --> 01:30:33,439
Speaker 1: he and by the same token, he wouldn't be who

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01:30:33,439 --> 01:30:36,360
Speaker 1: he is today without having lived through that. And we

1543
01:30:36,479 --> 01:30:39,599
Speaker 1: as a family benefit from that, benefit from his wisdom,

1544
01:30:39,640 --> 01:30:45,360
Speaker 1: his insights. Uh. But you know, I but he he lost,

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01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:49,760
Speaker 1: he lost time and uh and he knows it. And

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01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:52,320
Speaker 1: you know, if I if I could wave a wand

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01:30:52,920 --> 01:30:54,599
Speaker 1: you know, I would try to give that back to him.

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01:30:54,600 --> 01:30:56,960
Speaker 1: But I wouldn't change him. There's nothing I would. I

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01:30:57,000 --> 01:31:00,519
Speaker 1: don't think I can improve him. Well, I I love this.

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01:31:00,720 --> 01:31:03,320
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you so much, so fun pleasure. This

1551
01:31:03,560 --> 01:31:07,400
Speaker 1: was so wonderful. I appreciate you. Guys. Well we'll see Yeah,

1552
01:31:07,479 --> 01:31:09,479
Speaker 1: this was so great. I loved it so much. Well,

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01:31:09,560 --> 01:31:11,240
Speaker 1: I'm in hope. We'll see you soon and get the

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01:31:11,280 --> 01:31:16,840
Speaker 1: Book'll get the boys a memo, boys, the boys. There

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Speaker 1: you go, all right, Thank you guys. Bye. Sibling Revelry

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Speaker 1: is executive produced by Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson. Producer

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01:31:27,160 --> 01:31:31,120
Speaker 1: is Alison President, Editor is Josh Wendish. Music by Mark

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Speaker 1: Hudson a k a. Uncle Mark. If you want to

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