WEBVTT - Behind the Scenes Minis: Pirate Evolution

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production

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<v Speaker 1>of iHeartRadio. Hello and Happy Friday. I'm Tracy V. Wilson

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm Holly Frye. We are back from our trip

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<v Speaker 1>to Baha mar Yes in Nasau. Yes, as we discussed,

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<v Speaker 1>I had been looking for a topic that was somehow

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<v Speaker 1>thematically or geographically related to where we were wound up

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<v Speaker 1>with the Flying Gang. The other thing I really thought

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<v Speaker 1>about doing, and I don't think I said this in

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<v Speaker 1>the actual episode for the week, it was the raid

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<v Speaker 1>on Nasau in seventeen seventy six during the Revolutionary War.

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<v Speaker 1>Long story short, the Americans needed gunpowder. There was gunpowder

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<v Speaker 1>in Nasau. The end, they took some boats and raided

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<v Speaker 1>NASA and got the gunpowder and left. And that it

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<v Speaker 1>was the first amphibious landing for the US Marines, which

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<v Speaker 1>sounds really notable until you think about the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>the US Marines was a brand new entity at that point. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it is still notable and cool, but sure

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<v Speaker 1>different Marines than we think of today. Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And it it was such a straightforward thing that I

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<v Speaker 1>did not think it was going to wind up feeling

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<v Speaker 1>as fun and interesting as pirates were going to be

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<v Speaker 1>and then I also was a little tired of the

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<v Speaker 1>Revolutionary War, having done multiple Revolutionary War episodes. Yeah, in

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<v Speaker 1>the weeks leading up to taking this trip, in a

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<v Speaker 1>weird coincidence, as we were preparing for this trip and

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<v Speaker 1>I was preparing the episode, my friend Jim texted me

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<v Speaker 1>and said, Sassin's Creed Black Flag Recinct is out and

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<v Speaker 1>you should buy it. He had tried to convince me

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<v Speaker 1>to play the original game a while back because I

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<v Speaker 1>had never played it when it first came out, and

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<v Speaker 1>I was trying to play it on Steam and I

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<v Speaker 1>had a stealth mission that I could not successfully complete.

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<v Speaker 1>I kept getting caught and I bounced off of it

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<v Speaker 1>really early in the gameplay, and so I bought it

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<v Speaker 1>and started playing it after this whole episode was written,

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<v Speaker 1>but like the weekend before we got on a plane

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<v Speaker 1>to fly to NASA, and I was like, Wow, Okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this game is all of the stuff that I just

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<v Speaker 1>wrote about for the podcast, and also other pirates who

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<v Speaker 1>we have talked about on the show previously. So I've

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<v Speaker 1>been enjoying that game. I'm only laughing because I remember

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<v Speaker 1>you telling me while we were still at Bahamar about

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<v Speaker 1>Black Flag, and I was like the punk band, Like

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<v Speaker 1>my brain couldn't get anywhere else. I was just on

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<v Speaker 1>the struggle bus, like, yes, how are they related to that?

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<v Speaker 1>It's a different black Flag? How dare Yeah? I can

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<v Speaker 1>only handle one one thing having one name right right,

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<v Speaker 1>which is funny because so many things do have the

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<v Speaker 1>same name. It's true. Yeah, I'm like, what else do

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<v Speaker 1>I have to say about pirates this week? It's been

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<v Speaker 1>so long since we recorded the episode. We typically record

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<v Speaker 1>behind the scenes immediately after recording the episode, and for

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<v Speaker 1>reasons of time, that is not what we have done

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<v Speaker 1>this time. Yeah, and so a full week has passed

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<v Speaker 1>between recording the episode and doing the behind the scenes,

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<v Speaker 1>and so now I'm like, what what was I even

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<v Speaker 1>what a week ago? What did happen? What happened there?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if we had ever really talked about

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<v Speaker 1>how much piracy was interconnected with greater struggles between nations.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we've talked about a number of pirates on

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<v Speaker 1>the show before, and some of them that caused international incidents,

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<v Speaker 1>like Henry every when he decided that he was going

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<v Speaker 1>to attack a convoy that belonged to the Mughal Empire.

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<v Speaker 1>But It was really when working on this one that

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<v Speaker 1>I got a bigger sense of how much the rise

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<v Speaker 1>in piracy had to do with things that did not

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<v Speaker 1>actually have that much to do with the Caribbean and

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<v Speaker 1>were more about various European powers fighting with one another

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<v Speaker 1>and needing more sailors and having more privateers and then

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<v Speaker 1>cutting all those people loose for various reasons. And then

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<v Speaker 1>also the Jacobite movement and the Jacobite Rising. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>read a couple of papers that were just that was

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<v Speaker 1>the whole topic, was looking at how many pirates were Jacobites,

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<v Speaker 1>and if not, like hardcore Jacobites, were at least nominally

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<v Speaker 1>open to the idea of replace the king with someone else,

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<v Speaker 1>and some of them more where Jacobites is a way

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<v Speaker 1>to express it a more anti current British monarchy attitude

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<v Speaker 1>more generally not so much wanting a different king, but

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<v Speaker 1>being opposed to the king overall. Yeah, I always go

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<v Speaker 1>back to that that I'm going back a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>to what you were talking about a moment ago, in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of the interconnectedness with politics of the idea that

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<v Speaker 1>you know, growing up as you learn about pirates, that

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<v Speaker 1>stuff tends to be very stripped out, But when you

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<v Speaker 1>actually start studying it and you realize, like the whole

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<v Speaker 1>concept of like the Golden Age of piracy really is

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<v Speaker 1>one of those instances where, you know, huge institutions set

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<v Speaker 1>up a system and then abandon that system and then

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<v Speaker 1>criminalize it. Yeah, and it's just like, I guess we're

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<v Speaker 1>just setting the tone for the next two hundred years. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you're a civilian and we want you to attack ships,

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<v Speaker 1>but not those ones, only these other ones. Oh, when

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<v Speaker 1>we don't want to be involved in this sticky business anymore,

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<v Speaker 1>we're done. So right, you're on you own. Yeah. It

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<v Speaker 1>really struck me as we were going through this one.

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<v Speaker 1>Just maam, same thing, different century. Yeah. Yeah, man, we

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<v Speaker 1>know we have set things up where you are going

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<v Speaker 1>to depend financially on a system that involves us paying

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<v Speaker 1>you to do this behavior, which is the only behavior

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<v Speaker 1>you have ever learned because that's been your trade. But

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<v Speaker 1>now we're done, that trade is over. I guess you've

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<v Speaker 1>got to figure out another way to get money. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's like they don't. There really weren't a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>options at that point, so right anyway, anyway, piracy, yeah, piracy,

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<v Speaker 1>do you want to talk about Thomas Huxley let's do

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<v Speaker 1>talk about Thomas Huxley. Thomas Huxley is like a balm

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<v Speaker 1>to my soul. He's the antidote to Charles Goodyear. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>who I found infuriating Thomas Huxley. I love you, man.

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<v Speaker 1>We all need a Thomas Huxley as a friend. I

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<v Speaker 1>love the fact that Darwin was like, I know my

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<v Speaker 1>ideas are controversial, I don't want to fight about it,

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<v Speaker 1>and Huxley's like, oh, I'll fight about it. I will. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>let's do this. I will. I will any takers, I will.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm ready to defend your ideas, and he did so

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<v Speaker 1>so eloquently. We talked in the episode about you know,

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<v Speaker 1>what a great writer he was, but he is also,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, incredibly well spoken. His turn of phrase is

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<v Speaker 1>so charming and elegant, even as verbose, as like the

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<v Speaker 1>standard writing of the day was. I feel like his

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<v Speaker 1>just really sings compared to a lot of other writers.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it. I have imagined and dreamt of that

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<v Speaker 1>Wilberforce debate. Oh yeah, ever since. I just loved the

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<v Speaker 1>idea of him just smacking somebody down and being like,

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<v Speaker 1>that's fine. Yeah, I would rather be related to an

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<v Speaker 1>ape that be somebody like you. Yeah, it's such a

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<v Speaker 1>good burn. Oh what a good burn. I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>if Thomas Huxley were alive today, he might be King

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<v Speaker 1>of Jubilee. You know that he'll just debate anybody. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I just love him. I also love you know. We

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<v Speaker 1>set up the episode this way that he made this

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<v Speaker 1>big blunder, and this is what led me to And

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<v Speaker 1>I was looking for marine biology things because I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>want to do anything super like related to the I

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<v Speaker 1>just wasn't in the mood for stuff related to like

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<v Speaker 1>the political history of the area or whatever. And I

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<v Speaker 1>ended up in a marine biology thing that wasn't super

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<v Speaker 1>duper about, you know, being in the Caribbean. But I

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<v Speaker 1>really like that he made this big stupid mistake and

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<v Speaker 1>was totally confident enough to go, Wow, that was a

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<v Speaker 1>big stupid mistake. Yes, sorry, I'm going to rectify this

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<v Speaker 1>at every opportunity, Like anytime I find a pocket of

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<v Speaker 1>someone who doesn't know that I have retracted this and

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<v Speaker 1>it's a big stupid mistake, I'm going to let them

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<v Speaker 1>know and I'm going to inform them of what the

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<v Speaker 1>reality was. I love everything about that because it shows

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<v Speaker 1>incredible strength of character. Right, everybody is embarrassed by making

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<v Speaker 1>mistakes in public. And that was a big one because

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<v Speaker 1>it really shifted, Like you know, it was at a

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<v Speaker 1>time when everyone was so excited about the concepts of

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<v Speaker 1>like we have gotten to this place scientifically where we

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<v Speaker 1>can figure out the origins of life, of not just

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<v Speaker 1>humankind but all life. And how you know, for him

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<v Speaker 1>to think he had it and then be like whoops,

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<v Speaker 1>without being sheepish about it, but right explaining like here

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<v Speaker 1>is how I came to this incorrect conclusion. I just

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<v Speaker 1>love it. I love it. Yeah, yeah, I wanted Thomas

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<v Speaker 1>Huxley in my corner all day, every day. What a dream,

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<v Speaker 1>the delight of a human I had another thing, and

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<v Speaker 1>now I forget it. I'm still back on just imagining

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<v Speaker 1>Wilberforce blushing and getting really curious and running out. I

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<v Speaker 1>do love that they named that room where the debate

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<v Speaker 1>happened after Huxley a just like the burn never stops,

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<v Speaker 1>it just keeps going. I do really also love we

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<v Speaker 1>didn't talk about it a whole lot, but of course,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously like the idea that this was a person who

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<v Speaker 1>was all of these noble and you know, strength of

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<v Speaker 1>character type things. We have been discussing that. On top

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<v Speaker 1>of all of that, he was like, you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>everybody has the right to an education, everybody, And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to do whatever I can with my power, with

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<v Speaker 1>my platform to reach down and help people up the ladder.

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<v Speaker 1>Because he you know, he came from not a wealthy family.

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<v Speaker 1>I just I love that about him. I love that

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, how can we do how can we demystify science?

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<v Speaker 1>How can we make science accessible for people who think

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<v Speaker 1>science is not for them, that it's for people in

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<v Speaker 1>academia and in you know, the hallowed halls of the

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<v Speaker 1>scientific world. How can we make them understand that science

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<v Speaker 1>is for them too, And how can we make women

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<v Speaker 1>have more opportunities and education. What a historical dreamboat. Thomas Huxley.

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<v Speaker 1>I love them. I love them so much. Uh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's uh. It was very funny because I was talking

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<v Speaker 1>about him with my beloved, you know, and the way

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<v Speaker 1>that you just kind of dated, dump up whatever you're

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<v Speaker 1>working on in our research. And this was actually not

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<v Speaker 1>until today a week later in the car on the

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<v Speaker 1>way to the veterinarians just had a vet appointment, and

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<v Speaker 1>I was talking about him because he was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even know what you guys recorded last week.

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<v Speaker 1>And we were talking and I was telling him about

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<v Speaker 1>Thomas Huxley, and he goes, wait, Alvis Huxley, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, that is fact his grandson, and I was

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<v Speaker 1>just ready to go. I was excited. Yeah. When I

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<v Speaker 1>got your email with the outline in it, and I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know what you had been working on, and it

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<v Speaker 1>just said Huxley, that was my first thought. Also interesting,

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<v Speaker 1>also interesting. You know, Brave New World cracked my brain

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<v Speaker 1>open in new ways when I read it. I think

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<v Speaker 1>I was sixteen when I read it. It was good stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>That's good stuff. What a legacy, what a familial legacy.

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<v Speaker 1>I was trying to remember what Thomas Huxley's grandson, Andrew,

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<v Speaker 1>had won the Nobel Prize for. As I was having

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<v Speaker 1>this chat with my husband while I was driving, and

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<v Speaker 1>then I came home and I reread what we had read,

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<v Speaker 1>which was a quote because I knew I couldn't parse

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<v Speaker 1>what that science was. And now I'm like, oh, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know why I thought I would have remembered that, right, Great, yeah, great,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm off the hook. Yeah. Just a phenomenal dude, And

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<v Speaker 1>what a delight to get to talk about him in

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<v Speaker 1>our very unique recording space. Last week. That was a

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<v Speaker 1>wild one. It was super fun. But they're just as

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<v Speaker 1>a peak behind the curtain for our listeners. The studio

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<v Speaker 1>there is like windows on two of the four sides

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<v Speaker 1>and so, and it is in the middle of a

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<v Speaker 1>big resort, so there are people just strolling by and

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes peeking in, and which obviously I found kind of

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<v Speaker 1>charming and hilarious. There's a cafe back there, yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>we would occasionally see somebody just walking by with their

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<v Speaker 1>ice cream. If there are glints for anyone watching on Netflix,

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<v Speaker 1>if there are glints of envy in our eyes at

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<v Speaker 1>various points, it is because I'm like, that looks delicious.

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<v Speaker 1>There were a couple of times where somebody would be

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<v Speaker 1>doing I don't know, just just goofing off in some

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<v Speaker 1>way through the window, and I would get kind of

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<v Speaker 1>distracted and be like, hey, hey, you need to pay

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<v Speaker 1>attention to you. You're working, You're on the clock, you're

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<v Speaker 1>at work right now. It's I mean, I get distracted

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<v Speaker 1>while I'm at work all time. It just happens. I

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<v Speaker 1>hope if this is your weekend coming up, I hope

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<v Speaker 1>you could escape somewhere beautiful and hang out and get

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<v Speaker 1>ice cream if that's your jam. If you don't like

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<v Speaker 1>ice cream or it doesn't agree with you, I hope

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<v Speaker 1>you find something else super delicious to eat. I hope

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<v Speaker 1>if you can't run away, that you at least get

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<v Speaker 1>some relaxation and do something super fun and restorative. Still

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<v Speaker 1>eat whatever the delicious thing is. If you can't, if

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<v Speaker 1>you have obligations, like maybe your schedule is such that

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<v Speaker 1>you actually work on the weekends, or you have a

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<v Speaker 1>family that has a lot of errands that need to

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<v Speaker 1>be run. Maybe you've got to take your kids to

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<v Speaker 1>soccer practice, maybe you've got to do any number of things.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope that even while you're doing all those things

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<v Speaker 1>or working your job, that you still find moments of

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<v Speaker 1>joy for yourself and perhaps even ways to make joy

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<v Speaker 1>for other people. That's very fulfilling. And I hope that

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<v Speaker 1>everybody is cool to each other because we all need it.

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<v Speaker 1>Right now. We will be right back here on Monday

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