Speaker 1: Loan shot back ball at the one and a half
Speaker 1: here on first down and goal to go ten ten times,
Speaker 1: handoff goes to p Ryan behind right guard, trying to
Speaker 1: press forward a bunch of botties.
Speaker 2: Into the engine.
Speaker 3: Touchdown tensas City Sama Jay Pey Ryan his first touchdown
Speaker 3: as a Kansas City Chief and the Chiefs lead first
Speaker 3: time in the game at sixteen to ten.
Speaker 4: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we know what appyrhic victory means.
Speaker 4: That's what the Chiefs got on Sunday across the street,
Speaker 4: not even a street.
Speaker 5: Just like a walkway the way at.
Speaker 4: Sofi Stadium, seventeen to ten. The Chiefs get the win
Speaker 4: over the Chargers. Yeah, we're just jumping right into the
Speaker 4: first game this week, and that first game was attended
Speaker 4: by Steve Weiss.
Speaker 5: Of course, this is NFL Daily.
Speaker 4: I'm with Patrick Claybon in the Chris Wesleyan podcast studio
Speaker 4: as well. Patrick will be here the whole show. Nick
Speaker 4: Schook is coming aboard after this game. But we got
Speaker 4: boots on the ground at a game we want to
Speaker 4: hear from the man that was there. They get the
Speaker 4: victory down ten to nothing on the road in the Division. Hey,
Speaker 4: the Chargers got a ton of injuries. The Chiefs got
Speaker 4: a ton of injuries of their own. They're not going
Speaker 4: to apologize for anything, Steve, but you just came from
Speaker 4: next door and I get the feeling maybe the locker
Speaker 4: room doesn't have the vibes that you would normally have
Speaker 4: after a big win like this.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I mean the big thing with the Chiefs and that's
Speaker 7: the locker room I went to, is you know they're
Speaker 7: they're pretty down because wide receiver Rashid Rice, who has
Speaker 7: been killing it this year, is the leading wide receiver
Speaker 7: that the test, the diagnosis is not full yet.
Speaker 6: He's gonna have an MRI on Monday.
Speaker 7: But it seems like they know that he could be
Speaker 7: gone for a long time, if not the season. And
Speaker 7: part of the guy who felt the worst about is
Speaker 7: Patrick Mahomes, a quarterback, because he threw an interception on
Speaker 7: the return he goes to make the tackle. It was
Speaker 7: his friendly fire that hit Rice in the knee that
Speaker 7: could cost him his number one receiver.
Speaker 4: It's such a tough moment as that happened, and I'm thinking, oh,
Speaker 4: they're gonna maybe lose this game, Like this is a
Speaker 4: tragic play because Mahomes continues his up and down play.
Speaker 4: I don't think he's been playing as well, even if
Speaker 4: you take away what's going on around him, which is
Speaker 4: obviously not helping. He's also just missing some throws. And
Speaker 4: that was another one of him where it was an interception.
Speaker 4: He comes in to try to make the tackle on
Speaker 4: a play that Ray Rice, I mean Rashee Rice rather
Speaker 4: forces a fumble, so he was going in to try
Speaker 4: to make a play. The ball goes out of bounds
Speaker 4: on the fumble, so the Chargers get the ball. They
Speaker 4: end up going up to ten nothing. But we're reaching
Speaker 4: a point here where their offensive weapons are now Kareem
Speaker 4: Hunt took over as they're starting running.
Speaker 5: Wait very well, Okay, Xavier Worthy.
Speaker 4: Had a fifty four yard big time play in this game.
Speaker 4: Travis Kelce goes seven for eighty nine. But they're wide
Speaker 4: receivers Rashee Rice and Hollywood Brown.
Speaker 5: They might not see him again this season.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I get ready for some juju Smith Schuster and
Speaker 7: you know, they really have to hope that Xavier he
Speaker 7: grows up, you know, and so far he's shown us
Speaker 7: no reason why he can't have a z A Flowers
Speaker 7: type of effect as a rookie. I mean, he's had
Speaker 7: a couple of games, big plays, big moments, and he's
Speaker 7: got good hands.
Speaker 5: He hangs on to the ball every time he has
Speaker 5: the ball.
Speaker 4: It looks like he's got to do something awesome when
Speaker 4: they throw it to him short.
Speaker 5: The speed is crazy.
Speaker 4: The fifty four yard touchdown was just like, hey, run
Speaker 4: fast down the field and he got it. And you've
Speaker 4: been wanting those big plays Patrick. When this score was
Speaker 4: ten to nothing, Chargers, like, were you thinking, oh, we
Speaker 4: made a big mistake with our survivor pick by the way,
Speaker 4: we did survive. Yeah, we drive as a trio and
Speaker 4: like we're you surprised that she's come back in and
Speaker 4: get this.
Speaker 6: No, because Patrick Mahomes adds to this insane record of
Speaker 6: wins by our quarterback that's trailing by ten or more points.
Speaker 6: All right, he comes out to right. It gets another way.
Speaker 6: But an incredible game by Tully. He was ridiculous. Khalil Mack.
Speaker 6: The pass rush for the Chargers was great, but yet
Speaker 6: again it's Patrick Mahomes with an opportunity. Receivers down, weapons
Speaker 6: comes up and the Chargers offense just really sputtered. I
Speaker 6: understand that they're committed to the run and it's all
Speaker 6: this mindset stuff and Justin Herbert's playing on a bum ankle.
Speaker 6: Herbert did all he could, but just with the options
Speaker 6: available to them, there just wasn't much there.
Speaker 7: He's so tough. I mean, if you can't respect Justin Herbert,
Speaker 7: you're nuts. I mean when he showed today, remember he
Speaker 7: was out both of his starting tackles, Joe Alt and.
Speaker 6: Josh Later we're both out.
Speaker 7: So George Carlaftis and Chris Jones were in his mug
Speaker 7: all the time. And I don't blame Jim Harbaugh and
Speaker 7: Greg Roman for muddying up this game. Remember it was
Speaker 7: ten ten until midway through the fourth quarter. I mean,
Speaker 7: it worked. They were getting nothing going after scoring off
Speaker 7: those first two giveaways by the Chiefs early in the game,
Speaker 7: but they were still able defensively to put the pressure
Speaker 7: on Patrick Mahomes to not let the ball get into
Speaker 7: the end zone. Part of that was inflicted by the
Speaker 7: Chiefs with these penalties. And it doesn't sound like last year, Patrick,
Speaker 7: all the penalties, all of the things that were kind
Speaker 7: of we were talking about with the chief saw slow
Speaker 7: start man, this could be problematic. We're saying the same
Speaker 7: exact things.
Speaker 4: And They're four and oh. They are four and oh unbeaten.
Speaker 4: They're two and two. They are now what two games
Speaker 4: up in the division. The rest of the division is
Speaker 4: two on two spoiler alert for what's coming up. The
Speaker 4: Chargers had that two and oh star. They need to
Speaker 4: be able to run the ball if you're a Chargers team.
Speaker 4: And I've been disappointed a little bit by the Chiefs
Speaker 4: defense this year, and this is a game that their
Speaker 4: defense needed to step up. And I know the Chargers
Speaker 4: weren't playing with a full deck, and Herbert took.
Speaker 6: Some big hit He took some big shots.
Speaker 4: Man, he took some big hits in this game, and
Speaker 4: he's not being protected.
Speaker 5: But ultimately JK.
Speaker 4: Dobbins and Gus Edwards run twenty times for fifty one yards.
Speaker 4: The Chiefs defense did an awesome job. After giving up
Speaker 4: ten points in the first quarter, they force four and out,
Speaker 4: three and out, three and out, a miss field goal
Speaker 4: which looms large. They get the ball on downs where
Speaker 4: Jim Harbad decides to go. I was I was done
Speaker 4: by that on fourth and goal on the goal line,
Speaker 4: A little surprised by that. The first fourth down actually
Speaker 4: Jim harraskne for in the entire season, and he goes
Speaker 4: for in a tie game.
Speaker 5: And they didn't, and they called the pass.
Speaker 7: In a tie game when they have just chewed up
Speaker 7: about eight minutes of clock bridging the third and fourth quarter.
Speaker 7: They've got said they were running the ball well, but
Speaker 7: they didn't have the type of magic momentum where you're like, okay,
Speaker 7: we're gonna push this. Because once things got tight, that's
Speaker 7: when that chief defense stood up. I'm like, take the
Speaker 7: points right now, because the points are hard to come by.
Speaker 7: They get stopped, their defense forces a punt, but then
Speaker 7: the Chiefs defense forces a three and out, and then
Speaker 7: that's when you know, Mahomes gets that the touchdown drive
Speaker 7: going with the twenty nine yard started, you know, started to.
Speaker 6: Drive to know a gray right there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, when no Gread cut that pass, I was like, oh, man,
Speaker 4: Kelsey's got some wheels.
Speaker 7: Everybody even in the the in the press booth, they
Speaker 7: were like Travis Kelcey.
Speaker 6: I was like, wow, Kelsey's got.
Speaker 4: I was like, suddenly he got way way faster. But hey,
Speaker 4: Travis Gus did have anice.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he is back in our lives. Seven catches for
Speaker 6: eighty nine yards, and again it's it's a Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 6: You see fifteen out there, he's a threat, but I
Speaker 6: do I can't help but think that, Yeah, you want
Speaker 6: to run the ball, but this isn't that Chiefs team. Like,
Speaker 6: this isn't the Chiefs team that's running up and down
Speaker 6: the field scoring all these points. You had caught to
Speaker 6: have the explosive plays. There's seven targets for Ladd McConkie.
Speaker 6: Really nothing available down the field. A lot of that's
Speaker 6: the Chiefs defense, but I just wanted to see attempts
Speaker 6: in that direction, but there was just nothing.
Speaker 4: And when I mean, Herbert had a crazy throw that
Speaker 4: could have been caught by Dobbins up that.
Speaker 7: He could even gone if he would have had bow.
Speaker 5: It was one of the best throws of the year.
Speaker 5: Wasn't incompletion year? Oh we got best throws in your conversation.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm just saying I'm not putting it as the
Speaker 4: official nominee this week, but that was pretty awesome.
Speaker 5: Lad McConkie goes five for sixty seven.
Speaker 4: So yeah, it's a weird start to the season because
Speaker 4: all that matters for the Chiefs is January in February,
Speaker 4: and they're going to get there they're there at four
Speaker 4: and o and yet we feel worse about January, I
Speaker 4: think because of this team, because of injuries. Yet they're
Speaker 4: finding ways to When you were there, Steve, again, I
Speaker 4: want to take advantage of the fact that you were there.
Speaker 4: Give me the vibe in the building and also just
Speaker 4: anything you picked up, Yeah, from talking to the players
Speaker 4: and everything after.
Speaker 7: Yeah, well, well first off, let's let's start with the
Speaker 7: back of stuff I picked up. Patrick Mahomes is frustrated,
Speaker 7: I think, more with himself than anything going. You can
Speaker 7: just tell, you know, I had a little private conversation
Speaker 7: with him. He just it's not like, you know, Patrick
Speaker 7: Mahomes is one of the most competitive people I've ever
Speaker 7: been around, and I've covered guys like Michael Jordan Duo's
Speaker 7: like that.
Speaker 6: Mahomes is a little sick.
Speaker 7: With you know how so he holds himself to a
Speaker 7: high standard and you can tell he's like, I am
Speaker 7: not doing it now. Part of it could have been
Speaker 7: how he was feeling about hitting Rashi Rice. He's like,
Speaker 7: you know, look, if I didn't throw the interception, we
Speaker 7: wouldn't be going through that. But when your standard is
Speaker 7: what it is, like they're like, Okay, we came in here,
Speaker 7: did what we were supposed to do, but we had
Speaker 7: to fight too hard for it against a team that
Speaker 7: was really banged up, right, And so I think there's
Speaker 7: that which is good. You want, you want really good
Speaker 7: teams to feel like that. I mean, this is not
Speaker 7: they don't play to win September, but otherwise the overall
Speaker 7: feel of it, I mean, Andy Reid and and some
Speaker 7: of the people on the on the coaching staff, it's
Speaker 7: kind of like, we still have work to do. But
Speaker 7: one thing that we can rely on and we know
Speaker 7: we can rely on is our defense. And they're going
Speaker 7: to continue to get better defensively when they get some
Speaker 7: of these guys back. Mike Danna didn't play today. I mean,
Speaker 7: but they've got such good linebackers and guys up front.
Speaker 7: Unless they sustain injuries there, that's going to be, as
Speaker 7: it was last year, their default when all things don't work,
Speaker 7: our defense is going to keep us in games.
Speaker 4: Default to a defense that, yeah, gets three quick pressures
Speaker 4: today by Chris Jones, including I don't know if they
Speaker 4: counted as a quick pressure on that fourth down. He
Speaker 4: was the guy who ultimately made the play of the game.
Speaker 4: It won't even show up in the stat sheet but
Speaker 4: got the pressure on. Herbert also had two sacks. He's
Speaker 4: just the best of the best and has a chance.
Speaker 7: Carlaftis is really emerging into a standout player, and Nick
Speaker 7: Bolton might be one of the best inside linebackers.
Speaker 4: So what was was it? Half Chiefs? What was so
Speaker 4: fi feeling like today?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 6: Half Chiefs? You know what?
Speaker 8: You know?
Speaker 4: I like the atmosphere when it's half the other team.
Speaker 4: It actually feels like a Super Bowl, except except they're
Speaker 4: more into it, where it's like super loud on both sides.
Speaker 4: I actually, as a as a neutral fan, I think
Speaker 4: it's one of the cooler atmospheres. But I know, you know,
Speaker 4: haters from the outside will be like, oh there.
Speaker 6: And I'm want to make this clearer.
Speaker 7: But I want to make this clear because we see
Speaker 7: this in almost every stadium now. And here's what the
Speaker 7: deal is. Because season tickets are so expensive everywhere in
Speaker 7: the NFL, season ticket holders are going to sell off
Speaker 7: two of their games, if not three, to at least
Speaker 7: get somewhere to the break even point. When I see
Speaker 7: forty nine Ers fans taking over the Superdome in New
Speaker 7: World's like, that's insane. No one takes over the Superdome.
Speaker 7: It's starting to happen more and more just because the
Speaker 7: costs again off season tickets are what they are.
Speaker 5: I love it.
Speaker 4: I love that you came over after a big afternoon
Speaker 4: at SOFI Stadium. So yeah, the Chargers are two and two,
Speaker 4: the Chiefs are at four to Oh.
Speaker 5: Thank you Steve West for having me for the cameo.
Speaker 6: Thanks. I'm waiting.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna listen up to hear the Browns venom though.
Speaker 7: I just cannot wait.
Speaker 5: Race is over there.
Speaker 4: Texted me about these bad decisions to Shaun Watson's making
Speaker 4: in the Browns being a mess. I'm like, Wei, you
Speaker 4: got a great game in front of you, but it
Speaker 4: clearly you had it on the monitor. And we will
Speaker 4: get to that on NFL Plus Yes with Nick Schook
Speaker 4: a little later in this show. Nick Schook is going
Speaker 4: to join us on the other side here actually to
Speaker 4: talk about another undefeated team.
Speaker 5: A little surprising. In the NFC North first and.
Speaker 9: Goal from the fourteen, Darnold out of the shotgun, puts
Speaker 9: Jefferson in motions of the right.
Speaker 5: He'll go that way to the end zone. Caught touch down.
Speaker 9: Kidding me with that catch Justin Jefferson with a fourteen
Speaker 9: yard touchdown grab and the Minnesota Vikings lead the Green
Speaker 9: Bay Packers at lambeau Field D seven zero with five
Speaker 9: twenty eight to go in the first half.
Speaker 2: How about this?
Speaker 5: How about it?
Speaker 4: Paul Allen on kfan there with his buddy Pete Bursich.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Sam Donald hits Justin Jefferson with the pass
Speaker 4: that was so good.
Speaker 5: Jefferson had no choice but to catch it.
Speaker 4: He just turns around and it's it's in its chest
Speaker 4: and it just stuck there. The great players, they just
Speaker 4: have beltgrow there. It got a little crazy after that.
Speaker 4: Twenty eight to nothing turned into thirty one to twenty
Speaker 4: nine by the end.
Speaker 5: Of the game.
Speaker 4: Yes, the Packers did have a chance, not really late,
Speaker 4: but there was a one score game here. Sam Donald
Speaker 4: made enough plays to salt it away, have a field
Speaker 4: goal drive give him a two score lead. They end
Speaker 4: up winning the game, and man, Nick Shook, I really
Speaker 4: enjoyed the hell out of this game. I'm glad I
Speaker 4: assigned it to myself, and at the beginning of it,
Speaker 4: I was thinking, man, this is not going to be
Speaker 4: a good one to assign to yourself, because it was
Speaker 4: just like such a blowout. Donald's first eight completions were
Speaker 4: to eight different receivers. And one thing that stands out
Speaker 4: to me is when Donald makes a mistake, you got
Speaker 4: to take advantage McDuffie.
Speaker 5: Oj McDuffie.
Speaker 4: The Packers dropped a possible interception on one of the
Speaker 4: first drives, that it's suddenly third and fourteen and he
Speaker 4: has a throat to nailor and these guys Naylor and
Speaker 4: Addison are getting these one on ones. Addison had a
Speaker 4: few outstanding routes today to get seventy two yards in
Speaker 4: a touchdown for his game, and then it just starts
Speaker 4: going from there. So yeah, Donald will give you some chances, Nick,
Speaker 4: but Brian Flores is going to give you some extra
Speaker 4: chances as an offense. And this team is just a
Speaker 4: lot to deal with right now.
Speaker 8: You could be concerned about why things got a little
Speaker 8: hairy in the second half, but I'm not worried about
Speaker 8: that because what you really wanted this team is that
Speaker 8: they continue to play good on both sides of the football,
Speaker 8: which is what they did. Another good day from Sam Darnald.
Speaker 8: You know he had one pick, but you still have
Speaker 8: three more touchdowns. Another strong day from Aaron Jones, who
Speaker 8: clearly loves being there and is not enjoying your renaissance
Speaker 8: but having a good year with them. It's just a
Speaker 8: strong team. Like I picked the Packers in this game
Speaker 8: because I'm thinking eventually they have to run into something
Speaker 8: and this Packers defense could maybe give them fits. Nope,
Speaker 8: I was wrong. It got close, but I was still wrong.
Speaker 8: I'm just convinced the Vikings are a sound football team
Speaker 8: and they go into Lambeaux and get a win today.
Speaker 6: There were some signs in the second half because in
Speaker 6: the first half there was a wall constructed around Sam Donald.
Speaker 6: The Packers pass rush could do absolutely nothing, and Donald
Speaker 6: was getting whatever he wants and could combine that with
Speaker 6: the offense turning the ball over giving them a short field.
Speaker 6: I got a touchdown off of that, Jordan Natison got
Speaker 6: his second of the day. But in the second half interception, punt, punt, fumble,
Speaker 6: field gold, punt, turnover on downs ball game. Yes, there
Speaker 6: were like some signs of perhaps weakness because Jeff Haffley
Speaker 6: and company in Green Bay figured things out, like Xavier
Speaker 6: McKinney got his fourth straight interception. Upon review, Vikings fan's
Speaker 6: pointing out it probably shouldn't have been an interception either way.
Speaker 6: He counted. They get that turnover. But there's this is
Speaker 6: going to be a fun one because these teams, these
Speaker 6: two teams are gonna play again. I think the Packers
Speaker 6: will be healthier, they'll be ready this time. But man,
Speaker 6: the Vikings are so hot.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Like, so the Packers ended up being without Jory jay
Speaker 4: r Alexander and then their number two cornerback Carrington Valentine
Speaker 4: as well. So the Vikings had great matchups on the
Speaker 4: outside and they took advantage, like I said, Addison on
Speaker 4: some of these backup cornerbacks. Man, he is just one
Speaker 4: of my favorite route runners in the league. He's just
Speaker 4: shaken guys. And then Naylor only had that one catch,
Speaker 4: but it was such a massive moment in the game.
Speaker 4: And Jefferson's presence just helps them get the one on ones.
Speaker 4: And yeah, McKinney picks off Donald in the second half.
Speaker 4: I mean they were going in to put that really
Speaker 4: out of bounds there. I think it was twenty eight
Speaker 4: to seven after at that point. But that was a
Speaker 4: great interception. That was a great individual play that you know,
Speaker 4: maybe he shouldn't have been counted, but Darnold has been
Speaker 4: giving chances to opponents the whole you know, four weeks,
Speaker 4: that's who he's gonna be. He held the ball maybe
Speaker 4: a little too long on his fumble, so he had
Speaker 4: two turnovers in the second half.
Speaker 5: A blitz gets to him.
Speaker 4: But ultimately, when they need to make a drive in
Speaker 4: the fourth quarter, like seventeen yards to Justin Jefferson, twenty
Speaker 4: seven yards to Justin Jefferson, you get a field goal.
Speaker 4: You have an extended drive to takes some time off
Speaker 4: the clock. And on a day where in the end
Speaker 4: Brian Floris's defense gave up four hundred yards, the offense
Speaker 4: had to do a lot. I just think this is
Speaker 4: a team that's gonna they're gonna go for it, like
Speaker 4: Floris is like that too. And the Packers were playing
Speaker 4: hurry up in the second half, and maybe that's one
Speaker 4: way to kind of calm down all their blitzer and stuff.
Speaker 4: I thought the Packers actually had a pretty good plan
Speaker 4: in the first half. Jordan Love just was missing some
Speaker 4: throws and early in the game I was thinking, man,
Speaker 4: they should have maybe sat him for another week because
Speaker 4: he didn't look right, And he even said it after
Speaker 4: the game, like the reason that Doantavian Wicks had some
Speaker 4: drops and he had the inner and everything is like, yeah,
Speaker 4: he wasn't entirely accurate, but I think he was better
Speaker 4: by the fourth quarter when he started putting up numbers.
Speaker 6: Yeah, probably some rust. And of course it's not a
Speaker 6: team where you can figure things out against the Minnesota
Speaker 6: Vikings because they're just playing such good football right now.
Speaker 6: There was a tough one where he throws essentially a
Speaker 6: bad pass to Christian Watson. We're gonna have to get
Speaker 6: an update on his ankle because it gets picked off
Speaker 6: by grew Jay Hill as well, who's coming back to
Speaker 6: the ball kind of rolls up on top of Christian Watson.
Speaker 6: But Dontavian Wicks gets thirteen targets and replacing him, including
Speaker 6: a couple of touchdowns.
Speaker 4: And drop as long at least three, yeah, I would say,
Speaker 4: And one was on a fourth and long. They went
Speaker 4: for two fourth and longs in the game because they
Speaker 4: were trailing and they were on the plus side of
Speaker 4: the field. And one was an example of why Jordan
Speaker 4: Loved to me then look great today. For most of
Speaker 4: it was this kind of like a Hope ball where actually,
Speaker 4: if Jordan Love had done like his thing where he
Speaker 4: makes him crazy throw over the second level defender, but
Speaker 4: before or the third he actually could have hit him,
Speaker 4: but it just his ball.
Speaker 5: His passes were like fluttering a little bit.
Speaker 4: And then the second one was a nice throw that
Speaker 4: pretty much hit Dontavian Wicks in the chest and he
Speaker 4: dropped it on a fourth down. And so those were
Speaker 4: big plays on a day nick where Jordan Love ended
Speaker 4: up with three hundred and eighty nine yards, four touchdowns,
Speaker 4: three interceptions.
Speaker 5: That's a stat stuffer right there. That's like I always talk.
Speaker 4: About him how he used to lead in PFF scoring
Speaker 4: in the preseason, if if you accounted three preseasons in
Speaker 4: a row, turnover worthy plays and big time throws. This
Speaker 4: was this was that game in a nutshell. But I
Speaker 4: do think they have to feel better that he kind
Speaker 4: of warmed up by the end of it, and you
Speaker 4: hope he's fine, and you really hope Christian Watson's fine
Speaker 4: because I thought he had a lot of juice this
Speaker 4: year when he was playing.
Speaker 8: That's kind of the story of Jordan Love's experience the
Speaker 8: first half of last season too, by the way, like
Speaker 8: kind of you know, self destructive plays, then turnover worthy
Speaker 8: plays and then he dialed it in in the back half,
Speaker 8: and obviously we know what happened that season, So I
Speaker 8: think he kind of expects something like this when he
Speaker 8: comes back from an MCL sprain, and maybe there's a
Speaker 8: little bit of a lack of confidence there, maybe the
Speaker 8: rust like Patrick mentioned, But I think that this is
Speaker 8: something that shouldn't concern them over the long haul. It's
Speaker 8: just a matter of reps in time. But I'm more
Speaker 8: curious as I look at the Vikings and I think about,
Speaker 8: all right, what defenses are capable of putting Sam Darnold
Speaker 8: in conflict where he will have ball security issues because
Speaker 8: he's largely avoided it, or he's avoided it in that
Speaker 8: he's still turned the ball over once or twice in
Speaker 8: a game, but it hasn't been catastrophic. So if you
Speaker 8: run down their schedule, you get the Jets. Next, the
Speaker 8: Jets who struggle to get pressure, you get to buy,
Speaker 8: you get Detroit, the Rams, the Colts, the Jags, the Titans.
Speaker 8: I don't think until you get to Week twelve against
Speaker 8: the Bears, are any of those teams gonna set up
Speaker 8: a serious challenge for him to where they could capitalize
Speaker 8: and exploit his ball security issues, so we might be
Speaker 8: talking about the Vikings like this for a long time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that Jets game is fascinating. If they can try
Speaker 4: to they're going to try to get to their bye
Speaker 4: week undefeated. Pretty amazing. And Dustin Jefferson, even though the
Speaker 4: numbers aren't quite as stratospheric as they have been, sometimes
Speaker 4: I'm just convinced like he's the best player in the league.
Speaker 5: He's just such a cheeko.
Speaker 4: He goes six for eighty five in a touchdown and
Speaker 4: when they really need it, he may the plays. Aaron
Speaker 4: Jones has also been awesome for them. They end up
Speaker 4: he ends up with one hundred and thirty nine yards
Speaker 4: from scrimmage on twenty six touches, twenty two on the ground.
Speaker 4: Let's listen to Aaron Jones just talking about how he
Speaker 4: came to Minnesota and he's happy he did.
Speaker 6: Koc.
Speaker 10: He's meant he's been everything to me. He's helped me
Speaker 10: so much in my short time here, and I'm glad
Speaker 10: I made the decision to come here. He's definitely a
Speaker 10: special coach.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Koc absolutely getting that.
Speaker 4: I was kind of thinking during this game, this is
Speaker 4: like a pass diverging, you know, very early Coach of
Speaker 4: the Year Canadacy game, you know, just because like I'm
Speaker 4: just saying, Lafleur has been incredible these first couple of
Speaker 4: weeks with Malik Willis or something. But Kevin O'Connell says,
Speaker 4: I'm the boss of this race, and right now I'm
Speaker 4: the boss of this division. They're now up two games.
Speaker 4: They have a game in hand over the Packers. They
Speaker 4: won in Lambeau lamb You know, green Bay at this
Speaker 4: point is probably gonna have to go and win in
Speaker 4: Minnesota if they want to try to win this division.
Speaker 4: All right, let's move on to another undefeated team entering Sunday.
Speaker 4: See if the Steelers stay that way in Indianapolis, this
Speaker 4: is it down.
Speaker 11: He's gotta go to pick hims up, coup empty set
Speaker 11: for fields backs, the pass plants still has time.
Speaker 2: Rolls up in the pocket. Pros down field Boss picked
Speaker 2: off by the Colts.
Speaker 11: But it's an incomplete pass in ten of downfield for
Speaker 11: Fan Jefferson and the Colts defense comes up enormous in
Speaker 11: the fourth quarter with hundred a minute to go, It's
Speaker 11: a turnover.
Speaker 2: On downs and the Colts aren't gonna win it.
Speaker 4: A week four, Oh, the Colts defense. I mean, they
Speaker 4: weren't coming up enormous in the fourth quarter until that
Speaker 4: moment after Justin Fields leads the Steelers on a comeback
Speaker 4: that includes three straight touchdown drives in the late third
Speaker 4: quarter and then two more in the fourth. The Colts
Speaker 4: do get that stop, twenty seven to twenty four. They're
Speaker 4: two and two. Steelers their first loss now at three
Speaker 4: and one took. This is a game where Anthony Richardson
Speaker 4: leaves with a hip injury and Joe Flacco comes in
Speaker 4: and he's beaten teams in the AFC North.
Speaker 5: It's like twenty twenty three all over again.
Speaker 8: I wanted to write, the Steelers are probably really tired
Speaker 8: of seeing this guy, until I went back in the
Speaker 8: history and realized they didn't see him last Kay, It's
Speaker 8: just that he saw a bunch of other teams. But yeah,
Speaker 8: it felt eerily similar. Like here it is Joe Flacco
Speaker 8: coming into a game and dealing and handling another AFC
Speaker 8: North team, you know, in a matchup where his team
Speaker 8: didn't expect him to have to play, and suddenly Anthony
Speaker 8: Richardson gets hurt and he has to play, and he
Speaker 8: handles it with the composure of a veteran. Now, Greg,
Speaker 8: I know this irritated to you, and we'll just bring
Speaker 8: it up right now. Anthony Richardson gets hurt and then
Speaker 8: he goes the sideline and he comes back in after
Speaker 8: like a play and they run a designed run for
Speaker 8: him with a hip injury. So of course that doesn't
Speaker 8: work out well for him and he ends up going
Speaker 8: out the rest of the game. I think it sounds
Speaker 8: super serious. It sounds like he could have played if
Speaker 8: they really needed him too, But they have Joe Flacco
Speaker 8: at their disposal. That's why you go get him in
Speaker 8: the offseason. But it was funny because there was a
Speaker 8: bit of a jackal and higher performance from this Colts defense,
Speaker 8: which has kind of been like that through four weeks
Speaker 8: this season. They start early by just bum rushing the
Speaker 8: Steelers offense, just attacking that pass protection and getting after
Speaker 8: Justin Fields, and they build themselves a seventeen to nothing lead,
Speaker 8: and I'm thinking of the Steelers ever gonna get out
Speaker 8: of first gear in this game, because I don't think
Speaker 8: they are. And then Justin Fields puts the team on
Speaker 8: his back and he's throwing darts and he's using his
Speaker 8: legs and he scores a couple of rushing touchdowns, and
Speaker 8: I'm like, the Steelers are going, if they have enough time,
Speaker 8: they're gonna come back and win this game. And then
Speaker 8: it all fell apart down the stretch because they couldn't
Speaker 8: protect and they had a weird snap that resulted in
Speaker 8: a fumble and you saw you just heard the last player.
Speaker 8: If you watched on YouTube, you saw it so weird
Speaker 8: back and forth game, but also a fitting first loss
Speaker 8: for the Steelers in the fact that their strength did
Speaker 8: not help them today. Their defense was not their calling
Speaker 8: card today and that was.
Speaker 4: The problem Fields being able to keep them minut game
Speaker 4: where their defense is not playing well. Overall, I've been like,
Speaker 4: this is a real thing. Patrick, fifty five yards in
Speaker 4: the ground, two rushing touchdowns, three hundred and twelve yards through.
Speaker 5: The air, and a touchdown. They're like, it's happening.
Speaker 6: No, it's it's real, And it's not just that touchdown
Speaker 6: flurry at the end of the game, which might jump
Speaker 6: out to people. Pittsburgh wins this game if not for
Speaker 6: a random George Pickens does this thing where he holds
Speaker 6: the ball way away from his body. He had one
Speaker 6: in the first half. Fields hit him on a ball
Speaker 6: down the sideline. He was inside the five yard line
Speaker 6: and for some reason, George Pickens is flailing the ball around,
Speaker 6: has the ball punched out, and the Colts recover. Because
Speaker 6: other than that play and just a dominant performance, I
Speaker 6: say it's dominant. The numbers don't leap off at you,
Speaker 6: but against the Pittsburgh Steelers defense, this performance by this
Speaker 6: Colts offensive line, like it really it really showed just
Speaker 6: how solid and strong they are front. Jonathan Taylor goes
Speaker 6: for eighty eight yards at four point two yards per carry.
Speaker 6: Flacco comes in right where it's not. I feel like,
Speaker 6: because we saw it last year with Cleveland, we kind
Speaker 6: of take it for granted. Did you go Flack? Right?
Speaker 6: It just shows up and plays good football, and it
Speaker 6: seems there's there's other backup quarterbacks. The game's over.
Speaker 5: In that sitsu, he's thirty nine years old.
Speaker 6: I love it's that tweet. It's like the aging wonder,
Speaker 6: which is you know the guy that you're you're older than.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, I was saying, that's extremely.
Speaker 6: It's a miracle. How's he even breathing?
Speaker 4: Speaking of which, Joe Flacco spoke with our friend Addie
Speaker 4: Ki Kabwala on CBS after the game.
Speaker 8: I do have to tell you, Anthony Richardson told us
Speaker 8: that you were cooler than he thought he was.
Speaker 9: Listen, he told me his mom is eight days older
Speaker 9: than I am.
Speaker 5: So there's no chance in the world that he thinks
Speaker 5: I'm cool. So, uh no, Flacco is cool.
Speaker 6: He's cool. He's cool. Now we get like the amenable
Speaker 6: dad Flacco after these last couple of years where we've
Speaker 6: come a long way from it's not my job to
Speaker 6: coach the backup to like this fatherly Joe Flacco's hugs
Speaker 6: and smiles and getting there talking about people's moms.
Speaker 4: And he was injured for a couple of years and
Speaker 4: he's bouncing around and struggling, and I think there is
Speaker 4: something too that maybe he appreciated what he had in life.
Speaker 5: You're not gonna have it forever. Play in this game.
Speaker 4: And he kind of came back with a different attitude
Speaker 4: to his younger quarterback teammates so that he's not threatened
Speaker 4: by anymore.
Speaker 5: And how did he look?
Speaker 4: Shoo, Because I'm going to watch this game more closely later,
Speaker 4: But Josh Downs goes eight for eighty two in a touchdown.
Speaker 4: That's a really good sign for them for him to
Speaker 4: get back going, and Pittman goes for one hundred and thirteen.
Speaker 4: They bogged down a little in the second half. But
Speaker 4: how do you think Flacco looked. I don't think he's
Speaker 4: gonna play next week though based on Richardson after the game,
Speaker 4: we don't know, but he like put his shoulder pads
Speaker 4: on even though the team had ruled him out. I
Speaker 4: think they were just being cautious at that point, but
Speaker 4: it seems like he could be back by How do
Speaker 4: you think Flaco looked?
Speaker 8: Yeah, so downside a hell of a day and a
Speaker 8: lot of that was because of Joe Flacco. And I
Speaker 8: mean he made a few catches where he broke a
Speaker 8: tackle and picked up a key first down here and there,
Speaker 8: especially in the second half, and the run game really
Speaker 8: helped bounce it out. Patrick's completely right. This offensive line
Speaker 8: is very good and you could see it as they're
Speaker 8: handing it off to Jonathan Taylor. But none of this
Speaker 8: gets done without Flacco coming in and handling the job.
Speaker 6: Well.
Speaker 8: He looked a lot he did last year. He didn't
Speaker 8: throw for the yardage total that he did in some
Speaker 8: of those games with the Browns, but at the same time,
Speaker 8: He looked just as confident and accurate and shot off
Speaker 8: all the arm talent that he had last year and
Speaker 8: he's had for most of his career like he was nothing.
Speaker 8: He had a nice touchdown pass through coverage that I
Speaker 8: was just like, Wow, there it is. There's the arm
Speaker 8: right there. And then the best part was as he
Speaker 8: celebrated last year with the Browns and was I feel
Speaker 8: like I'm a kid again. He had the same expression
Speaker 8: on his face today and it almost looked like I
Speaker 8: could just throw him in a different uniform. It's the
Speaker 8: same thing from last year, run down the field with
Speaker 8: his arms out, halving the time of his life. So
Speaker 8: if look, there's a lot of bad backup quarterback situations
Speaker 8: in the NFL, it does not exist in Indianapolis. After
Speaker 8: doing it with Gardner Minshew last year, they're at a
Speaker 8: step above that with Joe Flacco and with Shane Stiken's
Speaker 8: doing there. Their offense looked different by the way, as
Speaker 8: naturally it would. You're not going to run with him,
Speaker 8: but overall he stepped right in and didn't miss a beat.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think Stichen saw that Steelers defense, which is great
Speaker 4: but not like complicated. You kind of know what you're
Speaker 4: going to get from them, and they were able to
Speaker 4: execute him for a while in this game. Now this
Speaker 4: Colt's last touchdown, which was flak out of Ogletree, came
Speaker 4: after a controversial penalty by Minca Fitzpatrick. It was an
Speaker 4: unnecessary roughness. Let's listen to Minca.
Speaker 12: I mean, I thought we were playing football. I don't
Speaker 12: know what we're playing at this point, very different game
Speaker 12: than what I grew up playing, and what I grew up.
Speaker 12: Can't hit nobody hard. I can't be violent, So I
Speaker 12: don't know. I don't know what to say in here.
Speaker 4: Can't be violent. Minca Fitzpatrick says. That was a courtesy
Speaker 4: of Chris Adamski of the Pittsburgh Tribune Review. It's kind
Speaker 4: of interesting to me, And you could tell me if
Speaker 4: you thought it was a good caller, bad call shook.
Speaker 4: But I thought it was interesting that Minka could have
Speaker 4: been called for a penalty. I thought, on the play
Speaker 4: that injured Anthony Richardson, it's kind of a late hit.
Speaker 4: I mean, it was one of those old Cam Newton
Speaker 4: plays where he doesn't get the call because it didn't look.
Speaker 5: Crazy, but he slid.
Speaker 4: And if that was like Bryce Young and then you
Speaker 4: hit him after sliding the quarterback would have gone spinning
Speaker 4: because it was Richardson.
Speaker 5: Not so much.
Speaker 4: But he didn't get the call there. He did get
Speaker 4: the call later in the game. Do you think it
Speaker 4: was the right call when they did make.
Speaker 8: It bang bang yes? On replay No, because as soon
Speaker 8: as it happened, it was one of those ooh hits
Speaker 8: and you're like, oh, he was defenseless, that's probably gonna
Speaker 8: draw a flag. And it did, and it made sense.
Speaker 8: And then he looked at the replay and he didn't
Speaker 8: go for the head. It was basically shoulder to shoulder.
Speaker 8: The head was nearby, but it didn't really qualify and
Speaker 8: I think they said that on the broadcast too. So
Speaker 8: it's a bummer. But like football's played an incredibly fast speed,
Speaker 8: especially when you're at field level, and it's hard to
Speaker 8: make those judgment calls. But again I will say this,
Speaker 8: I know it bought them, you know, another opportunity to
Speaker 8: go down and score a touchdown, But football usually decided
Speaker 8: by like five or seven key plays. That could be
Speaker 8: one of them. But also, you buried yourself in a
Speaker 8: seventeen to nothing hold. I didn't lose you the game
Speaker 8: as much as the entire game did well.
Speaker 4: And you also when they got the ball back and
Speaker 4: your offense was cooking at that point with a couple
Speaker 4: of minutes left, just earlier than the two minute warning,
Speaker 4: you have the ball at the thirty eight yard line
Speaker 4: rather the forty two yard line with a first and
Speaker 4: ten with one forty three to go. That's that's a
Speaker 4: lifetime only down three and an early shotgun snap hits
Speaker 4: justin fields like in the face or so, and that
Speaker 4: puts them behind the sticks. They miss a throw that
Speaker 4: down the field and they pick up you know, the
Speaker 4: eleven yards on like a third and twenty two, and
Speaker 4: that that led to.
Speaker 8: And Naji Harris doesn't he doesn't get out of bound.
Speaker 8: So the plot keeps running and it basically, you know,
Speaker 8: ruin their chances.
Speaker 4: So you know, they played outstanding on offense until that drive.
Speaker 4: Dio Adingbo got seven pressures for the Colts, who got
Speaker 4: a lot of pressures without blitzing in this game. So
Speaker 4: if you can do that, you can win a lot
Speaker 4: of games. Let's move on, and now we're out of
Speaker 4: the undefeated area, but we're still with a very compelling game,
Speaker 4: a surprising one in a rainy New Jersey.
Speaker 13: Missed from fifty, Sir line from fifty to give the
Speaker 13: Jets to lead fifty one seconds to go out of
Speaker 13: the hold of more skit.
Speaker 5: The snap, the placement down, the kick is.
Speaker 13: On the way, It's got plenty of distance, and it
Speaker 13: is no good.
Speaker 2: It floated right.
Speaker 13: Heartbreak for the Jets at Sir lime, howd it curve
Speaker 13: off to the right and he can't hit from fifty
Speaker 13: And it looks like the Broncos will hold on and
Speaker 13: win this game by a point. Both kickers in tough
Speaker 13: conditions can't convert.
Speaker 5: They could not greg the leg misses.
Speaker 4: That was waxq Bob was choosing a surprising ten to
Speaker 4: nine loss by the New York Jets before they get
Speaker 4: on a flight later this week for London. Bronco's at
Speaker 4: two and two, Jets now at two and two. Fascinating
Speaker 4: game here, Patrick, But I keep going back to the
Speaker 4: fact that the Jets had two opportunities in the last
Speaker 4: couple of minutes to win this game, and the three
Speaker 4: plays that preceded that fifty yard missed field goal were
Speaker 4: ultimately failures to the Jets not being able to advance
Speaker 4: the ball and get the ball closer in tough conditions
Speaker 4: for their court, their kicker, and Aaron Rodgers and the
Speaker 4: Jets offense come up short.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and a tremendous performance by this Broncos defense in
Speaker 6: what you called a compelling game. It was not pretty.
Speaker 6: It was certainly not a fun game.
Speaker 5: But it was weird to me.
Speaker 4: I was kind of fascinated by it because it just
Speaker 4: looks so weird, like, Wow, what the heck is going
Speaker 4: on here?
Speaker 6: Well, what we saw was just a good pressure defense.
Speaker 6: Rodgers was running. We saw Rodgers run against the Patriots,
Speaker 6: A scrambled for some first downs. He was getting away
Speaker 6: and getting out. But it was not the same. Just
Speaker 6: the first loss for Aaron Rodgers in his career where
Speaker 6: he didn't score a touchdown at home. Like that's how
Speaker 6: good advanced Joseph's defense was today. And we've come a
Speaker 6: long way from Gray the leg from fifty seven in
Speaker 6: the super Dome to the Rams to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 6: That fifty yard ers sprays to the sprays to the right.
Speaker 6: But this is a game where bo Nicks in the
Speaker 6: first half was seven of fifteen for seven yards passing
Speaker 6: for negative seven yards passing. Excuse me, that was the
Speaker 6: important part. Negative seven yards through the air. They had one.
Speaker 5: Play what yeah, in the first half, how deep into
Speaker 5: it in.
Speaker 6: The first half. His first half stat line seven of
Speaker 6: fifteen for negative seven yards. It's amazing. It was a
Speaker 6: struggle on offense. But in the second half, really that
Speaker 6: defense because Rogers had a strip sack in that fourth quarter,
Speaker 6: I think six minutes to go. Next drive did absolutely nothing.
Speaker 6: They kept coming up short miscommunications between he and Garrett Wilson.
Speaker 6: But it's tough to pin this all on the Jets
Speaker 6: offense because Patrick's are ten yet again played a spectacular
Speaker 6: football game. There was one particular play where Garrett Wilson's
Speaker 6: coming in motion and it's very tough for the opposing
Speaker 6: corner to come all the way tracking a guy on motion,
Speaker 6: navigating all the traffic and then getting to them on
Speaker 6: the screen, and he did just that for like a
Speaker 6: two yard game. Just a great defensive performance. We can
Speaker 6: discuss the Jets being on fraud watch, but that's back
Speaker 6: to back week where the Broncos are on the road
Speaker 6: and their defense just stifles a quarterback with the week
Speaker 6: before was red hot.
Speaker 4: That's a great point and so Certan I don't think
Speaker 4: even face the target in the first half. He ends
Speaker 4: up facing three targets in coverage against Garrett Wilson in
Speaker 4: the second half two catches for twenty two yards twenty
Speaker 4: five routes. You're just not seeing guys shut down opposing
Speaker 4: number ones like that. Then again, this Broncos defense was
Speaker 4: great overall. They blitzed forty nine percent of the time,
Speaker 4: so they should keep their lead. They are the heaviest
Speaker 4: blitz team in the NFL, and opposing offenses aren't really
Speaker 4: dealing with it well. Rogers's time to throw is two
Speaker 4: point five, which is actually quite low. Then again, he
Speaker 4: held onto the ball on a lot of those and
Speaker 4: got sacked five sacks, fourteen quarterback hits. It's one thing
Speaker 4: I've known noticed this season. He's take a taking a
Speaker 4: lot of hits almost every week. Titans hit him a lot.
Speaker 4: Patriots actually did hit him a decent amount eight tackles
Speaker 4: for loss in this game. Meanwhile, the Jets get like
Speaker 4: no pressure on the other side. I've been really impressed
Speaker 4: with this Broncos defense. Shook, and I guess we got
Speaker 4: to start taking them somewhat seriously. Even if bo Nick's
Speaker 4: sixty passing yards is the least in a quarterback win
Speaker 4: since Eli Manning did it back in two thousand and seven.
Speaker 4: Somehow not surprising to me that that did it. Maybe
Speaker 4: maybe also in MetLife.
Speaker 8: What you're saying is Bonickx's two Super Bowl rings away
Speaker 8: from making the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4: Go see Eli's, by the way, is up for up
Speaker 4: for debate this year, and I don't think he's going
Speaker 4: to be first ballot.
Speaker 5: I think we can at.
Speaker 8: Least, but he'll get in. He'll get an eventually. It
Speaker 8: is crazy. It's crazy to see a game, a team
Speaker 8: win a game with sixty passing yards like from a quarterback.
Speaker 8: It is nuts. But on the flip side, like I
Speaker 8: think about the Jets offensive approach because it's just been
Speaker 8: so up and down through four weeks, like they had
Speaker 8: they were stifled by the Niners in Week one, they
Speaker 8: get back on track, they end up, you know, looking
Speaker 8: like gangbusters, like world beaters in Week three against the Patriots,
Speaker 8: and then they come back to earth with this and
Speaker 8: I you know, we talk about the Broncos defense and
Speaker 8: how good it is, but if you look at them statistically,
Speaker 8: they were twenty second in the league against the run,
Speaker 8: Like that should be their weakness, that should be where
Speaker 8: you attack them and it's raining at MetLife Stadium. Why
Speaker 8: are you throwing the football forty two times in a
Speaker 8: game that finished ten to nine. I need to know that.
Speaker 8: Why is your run past difference? It's sixty seven point
Speaker 8: one percent past to run like that's a that's a
Speaker 8: failure on the part of the coaching staff in coaching
Speaker 8: within the game, in my opinion, and putting it all
Speaker 8: on the shoulders of Rogers and you just don't help
Speaker 8: your offense out that way. So I think that's something
Speaker 8: that the Jets have to iron out.
Speaker 4: They don't forget it was the Nate Hackett revenge game.
Speaker 4: Supposedly Aaron was going to try extra hard. The extra
Speaker 4: hard didn't really pan out. They gave Breese hall tien carries.
Speaker 4: He got four yards out of it. Really, Braylan Allen
Speaker 4: was the guy that was having success.
Speaker 5: I keep banging this drum.
Speaker 4: Bresol had a zero percent success rate today, Brailen Allen
Speaker 4: seventy five percent his runs were successful. To me, their
Speaker 4: running game just looks a little more in sync when
Speaker 4: he runs at Breeshaw sometimes is looking for the big play,
Speaker 4: and yet you can't get too mad at the play
Speaker 4: caller with the Jets because Rogers ultimately is the play caller.
Speaker 4: He has a lot of options at the line of
Speaker 4: scrimmage to choose, okay, depending on the look, and most
Speaker 4: of the time you're going to trust him to make
Speaker 4: that right decision. Today he leaned towards the pass and
Speaker 4: you could see how disappointing was. At the end of
Speaker 4: the game, he just puts a towel over his head
Speaker 4: and I saw someone right. It's just like it was like, Okay,
Speaker 4: you're now officially a member of the Jets. I'm not
Speaker 4: going to go that dark. I'm not sure about froudwatch
Speaker 4: we'll see. It's a big game in Minnesota though. Have
Speaker 4: to figure out how to protect Rogers against the blitz.
Speaker 4: But yeah, Rogers was very disappointed after the game.
Speaker 14: We were kind of killing ourselves. As you know, I
Speaker 14: can't say I had a spectacular game. I missed some throws.
Speaker 14: You know, the weather sucked, but so did some of
Speaker 14: my throws. So you know, we had some chances, but
Speaker 14: you know, way too many mental mistakes. But when your
Speaker 14: defense holes on the ten, you got to you gotta
Speaker 14: win the game on hundred percent of the time. So
Speaker 14: that's on the offense. It's on me. Yeah, not good enough.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was not good enough. Jonathan Franklin Myers with
Speaker 4: a little revenge game. Quiet little trade that the Broncos
Speaker 4: made on Draft Day, the kind of money related I
Speaker 4: believe because they were expecting Hassan Reddick to come on
Speaker 4: the books, then they kind of could use Jonathan Franklin
Speaker 4: Myers right about.
Speaker 5: Now, all right, we're going.
Speaker 4: To take a quick break and we'll be back with
Speaker 4: maybe my favorite game of the day.
Speaker 15: Oh so, now it comes down to Young Way two
Speaker 15: to try and win the game for Atlanta. A fifty
Speaker 15: eight yard try to win the game was seven seconds left,
Speaker 15: snap spot kick from ko is away.
Speaker 3: And it is good.
Speaker 2: Fifty eight and the money shot for young boy Koo.
Speaker 5: That is a great call by West Durham. On w
Speaker 5: z g C.
Speaker 4: It's time for the Sunday Drive presented by the all
Speaker 4: new hybrid Toyota Camry. And yeah, we had to save
Speaker 4: it for what I thought might have been the game
Speaker 4: of the day, the rivalry of the league. This Falcon
Speaker 4: Saints game had everything that you would have wanted, plays
Speaker 4: that both teams would have regretted if they lost. Both
Speaker 4: teams kind of finding different ways to let the other
Speaker 4: team in but a lot of fun. The Falcons win
Speaker 4: without an offensive touchdown. They win with a deflected pick
Speaker 4: six and a fumbled punt that they recover in the
Speaker 4: end zone on a day they were mostly outplayed. They
Speaker 4: also won on a penalty by Paulson Adebo, who sets
Speaker 4: up that long Coup field goal and the Falcons couldn't
Speaker 4: get any closer. And yeah, young waykup. Maybe he was
Speaker 4: listening on the Manning cast like me in week two
Speaker 4: and he heard Bill Belichick talk about him and he said, oh, yeah,
Speaker 4: we had Coup in our building for a little bit,
Speaker 4: which I forgot about for a minute. He's like, he's
Speaker 4: very accurate, but not really good from distance, doesn't have
Speaker 4: much distance.
Speaker 6: Take that, Bill.
Speaker 4: It's like, have you seen how much that dude's been
Speaker 4: in the weight room. I was next to him on
Speaker 4: the field and one in London one year. That dude
Speaker 4: is thick, he's strong, and yeah he hits it from
Speaker 4: fifty eight and what a missed opportunity Patrick for the
Speaker 4: Saints in this one.
Speaker 6: Yeah, just to the giveaways. You mentioned the judaon tip
Speaker 6: pass that was pick six. Rashiz He'd for some reason
Speaker 6: getting turned around. Maybe is the fact that he's spun
Speaker 6: to try to catch the punt, but he was inside
Speaker 6: the three when he tried to field a punt and
Speaker 6: he hoffed it. The defense played well. They lost Tyer
Speaker 6: Matthew I think in the middle of the second half
Speaker 6: having to play without him. A man down. Paulson adball
Speaker 6: in that pass interference call. The ball was underthrown. He
Speaker 6: could have turned around and got a chance to make
Speaker 6: a play, but he went ahead and grabbed the receiver
Speaker 6: because I guess he thought that was in the situation.
Speaker 6: And after that, so the Falcons have a first down
Speaker 6: already inside Young Wayku's extensive range, you know, much to
Speaker 6: the chagrin of Bill Belichick, and they get nothing. There's
Speaker 6: three straight plays where for some reason, Kirk Cousins is
Speaker 6: taking deep shots inside the twenty yard line. They go
Speaker 6: zero for three on those attempts and get nothing for
Speaker 6: Young Wayku, who bails out his team with a fifty
Speaker 6: eight yard kick. That were people you're not watching the game.
Speaker 6: You're thinking, oh, they get down there in a PI
Speaker 6: called the last second. No, they had tom and they
Speaker 6: did not make it any easier for Coup. Much like
Speaker 6: the Saints team just made it easy for the Falcons
Speaker 6: to win with all these mistakes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, sometimes I think Cousins is like a robot and
Speaker 4: he just does what he's programmed to do. And like,
Speaker 4: I think that's just where the progression took him because
Speaker 4: they were taking they probably were trying to take away
Speaker 4: the sideline routes. They had no time out at the time.
Speaker 4: So it would have been interesting too if he had
Speaker 4: hit that last one to Mooney because they snapped that
Speaker 4: ball with thirteen seconds and it was a downfield throw.
Speaker 4: If he had caught that around the twenty in bounds
Speaker 4: like that would have been, they might have lost the
Speaker 4: game right there. Mooney, though, runs great routes and he
Speaker 4: figured out a way. He's kind of been Kirk Cousins's guy.
Speaker 4: What a weird spot, though. I want to get on
Speaker 4: Dennis Allen just a little bit or going for the
Speaker 4: touch back at the end. Have you noticed this, Nick,
Speaker 4: I've kind of been tracking late game situations, not much
Speaker 4: time left, and these co coaches who they go for
Speaker 4: the touchback in that scenario, which gives the other team
Speaker 4: the ball at the thirty and takes no time off
Speaker 4: the clock, And it just seems like coaching scared, like, hey,
Speaker 4: we don't feel like we can coach this well enough.
Speaker 4: The average return right now is actually when it's being returned,
Speaker 4: is only going to like the twenty five or twenty six.
Speaker 4: So more times than not, you're actually doing well that
Speaker 4: the Texans, who will talk about later, in a very
Speaker 4: similar in a similar situation, kicked it and they were
Speaker 4: They got the benefit of a penalty on the Jaguars,
Speaker 4: and the ball ended up being like at the ten
Speaker 4: yard line. So that I've seen that a bunch of times.
Speaker 4: It's not just Dennis Allen, but it puts it at
Speaker 4: the thirty where you only need like in this case,
Speaker 4: like what twenty five yards, and suddenly you're kicking a
Speaker 4: game when you feel goal.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 8: I wonder if coaches are so afraid of the dynamic
Speaker 8: kickoff that they'd rather just give up the extra five
Speaker 8: yards in the time, Like it doesn't really make sense,
Speaker 8: because that's what.
Speaker 5: I mean, I get it they are, Yeah, but that's stuff.
Speaker 8: Average is usually like the twenty six.
Speaker 4: You talk about competing all week, Why don't we compete
Speaker 4: play a little football?
Speaker 8: Yeah, exactly. Put your money where your mouth is. Dennis
Speaker 8: Allen and every other coach. How about coaches that need
Speaker 8: to bleed clock and throw the ball on second down
Speaker 8: when they just need to drain clock. You're gonna drop me.
Speaker 8: I'm gonna go on a whole soap box here. Let's
Speaker 8: not go there. This is gonna I think, sit back
Speaker 8: for the Saints and they're gonna be a few weeks
Speaker 8: ahead and be like, man, game should have won. Like
Speaker 8: it's hard to win games in this league. It's really
Speaker 8: hard to win games in this league that you think
Speaker 8: you should win, and then you give them opportunities to
Speaker 8: take it from you, like fifty eight yards is no joke,
Speaker 8: but young Waiku just bangs it through. This is a
Speaker 8: game that you should be able to feel confident that, hey,
Speaker 8: we've played well enough, we've outplayed them, we deserve this win.
Speaker 8: Let's close it. And they didn't close it, and coaching
Speaker 8: coaches coaching scare.
Speaker 4: So they scored three offensive touchdowns and the Falcons didn't
Speaker 4: score any, and they lost.
Speaker 6: And they lost.
Speaker 4: I can't imagine that's happened many times. It's very similar
Speaker 4: to the stat about the Commanders and the Giants and
Speaker 4: the Giants in Week two. In the difference in this
Speaker 4: case is the Falcons did get a couple of touchdowns,
Speaker 4: they were just from a pick six, which was you know,
Speaker 4: Derek Carr said after the game, I did hold it
Speaker 4: too long, and that's probably true.
Speaker 5: He shouldn't have tried to jam it in there.
Speaker 4: But also, like we can just be real when luck
Speaker 4: is a massive, massive part of the game. It bounces
Speaker 4: up in such a way and is caught on the
Speaker 4: pick six and it was.
Speaker 5: Kind of bad luck.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you could try.
Speaker 4: I thought Derek Carr played pretty well in this game.
Speaker 4: Actually there was a couple moments when when they were driving,
Speaker 4: but for the most part I thought he played Well,
Speaker 4: what were you going to say?
Speaker 1: So?
Speaker 6: Yeah, No, the connection with the Lave you can see
Speaker 6: that start to get better as the season goes on.
Speaker 6: But you could go out back and get your friend
Speaker 6: to stand about five yards away from you and throw
Speaker 6: the ball at their elbow and try to get it
Speaker 6: to ricochet into the air like happened where the ball
Speaker 6: comes off of Derek Carr's hand, goes to Matt Judon's
Speaker 6: bottom elbow and somehow goes up into the air right
Speaker 6: twenty yards and is a pick six.
Speaker 4: I think both of these teams have to be concerned
Speaker 4: about their pass rushes. Both quarterbacks they thought had too
Speaker 4: much time in this game. Cousins had a lot of
Speaker 4: time early in this games pass rush really wasn't getting
Speaker 4: their Cousins still is not moving well. Like when he
Speaker 4: is given time, he spins it. He actually had a
Speaker 4: handful of really nice throws in this game. But again,
Speaker 4: if you look at his numbers on play action or
Speaker 4: outside the pocket or under center, it's very minimal and
Speaker 4: it's like negligible production when he's doing it. I think
Speaker 4: he was like four for six for like under thirty
Speaker 4: yards on play action and so he's just very limited
Speaker 4: in what he can do. Like I said, though, when
Speaker 4: they given time, he spun it a handful of times
Speaker 4: in this game.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 8: That kills me though, because like again, coach to your
Speaker 8: your strengths, coach to the strength.
Speaker 5: But he can't move. No, he can't move.
Speaker 8: I know that. That really pains me. And then you're
Speaker 8: going to ask him to hold the balllogger too. I
Speaker 8: mean twenty five attempts over two and a half seconds
Speaker 8: like that, that's kind of that's Jalen Hurts and the Eagles.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Kirk Cousins is not Jalen hurts.
Speaker 4: Okay, he was three for six on play action for
Speaker 4: twenty eight yards, two for three outside the tackle box,
Speaker 4: and yeah, I mentioned Car ending up and down a game.
Speaker 4: You know they got the ball. It's Saints Falcons. They
Speaker 4: had just failed on a fourth down inside the Atlanta
Speaker 4: Falcons ten yard line with about four minutes to go,
Speaker 4: and you thought, oh, that might have been their last chance.
Speaker 5: I like that Dennis Allen went for it there.
Speaker 4: I want to give him some credit actually, because they
Speaker 4: could have tried to cut the lead to three. Got
Speaker 4: the ball back and stop means said he went for
Speaker 4: the touchdown, and they sent some blitzes after Car. He
Speaker 4: might have been a little panicked and got rid of
Speaker 4: the ball too quickly, and that was probably his worst
Speaker 4: moments in what was otherwise a good game. But then
Speaker 4: he gets the ball back. Saints force a really ugly
Speaker 4: three and out by the Falcons. They get the ball
Speaker 4: back on the Atlanta forty two and despite some boneheaded
Speaker 4: penalties and by his teammates Rashid Jahed and the offensive
Speaker 4: line makes a mistake, Carr has a nice drive down
Speaker 4: to the goal line, and what I thought was going
Speaker 4: to be like one of the touchdown calls of the day.
Speaker 4: Alvin Kamara, who had just a heroic game despite a
Speaker 4: broken ribs, gives them a go ahead touchdown.
Speaker 2: Two tight ends I filmation borrow.
Speaker 16: Hand off Albert Jamera, he gets pushed into the endzipe.
Speaker 16: I had a predis Albert Camera touchdown.
Speaker 4: New who that tied the game with the extra point
Speaker 4: to follow with a minute left? That was Mike cossin
Speaker 4: ww L. And yeah, just as a fan of Alvin Kamara.
Speaker 4: Seventy seven yards on the ground with that touchdown, seven
Speaker 4: catches for forty two yards in the air, playing with
Speaker 4: a broken rib. Derek Carr said after the game, like
Speaker 4: he reminds me so much of Marshall Lynch. I just
Speaker 4: who people might forget was with Derek Carr in Oakland
Speaker 4: at one point and just says, those two guys love football,
Speaker 4: maybe more than anyone I've ever known. Taysom Hill, I
Speaker 4: also think loves football a lot. Was massive in this game.
Speaker 4: I think was going to have a big workload. Had
Speaker 4: six carries early with two touchdowns, playing with a rused lung.
Speaker 4: Another guy that loves football, and then he suffers a
Speaker 4: rib injury on the other side of his body according
Speaker 4: to Dennis Allen, and was knocked out of the game,
Speaker 4: so they didn't even want to use Kamara that much.
Speaker 4: A lobby was going in and out with like a
Speaker 4: hamstring injury.
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Speaker 4: that's enough of these like close, really entertaining games. Let's
Speaker 4: go to a really entertaining blowout in Arizona.
Speaker 6: Third and goal from the ten eight forty to go
Speaker 6: fourth quarter. Here's the snap. Arizona Brigs score, plenty of
Speaker 6: time for Jaden throws over to the middle into the eds.
Speaker 8: Of Dennis tar touchdown, touchdown Washington.
Speaker 2: Terry McLaurin. Back to that weeks for a score of
Speaker 2: the four.
Speaker 4: I love hearing the glee every week from Bram Weinstein
Speaker 4: of wb IG. You can just tell this guy's having
Speaker 4: the time of his life, as are all Commanders, employees
Speaker 4: and fans.
Speaker 5: Of which I guess he's won. He's an employee.
Speaker 4: Jaden Daniels goes twenty six for thirty two hundred and
Speaker 4: thirty three yards through the air.
Speaker 5: With a touchdown and a pick.
Speaker 4: Also runs for forty seven yards on the ground. The
Speaker 4: Washington Commanders are three to one and they lay the
Speaker 4: SmackDown on the Cardinals forty two to fourteen on the road.
Speaker 6: Where the defense hasn't really performed recently was they had
Speaker 6: to have a win and a score fest where they
Speaker 6: scored every time against the Cincinnati Bengals. I thought it
Speaker 6: was going to be up and down the field, and
Speaker 6: to start things off it was the Cardinals go right down.
Speaker 6: Kyler has a touchdown pass to Marvin Harrison Junior right
Speaker 6: after Jayden leads things off with a touchdown run, but
Speaker 6: eventually the defense gets pressure on Kyler. Kyler is sixteen
Speaker 6: of twenty two. A lot of those, a lot of
Speaker 6: those incompletions came on third down where Arizona was ultimately
Speaker 6: four of eleven on the day. But it's tough to
Speaker 6: not watch this game and come away with, oh my god.
Speaker 6: Jaden Daniels is legit for the second week, only four
Speaker 6: in completions, including an interception. Second game in a row
Speaker 6: where Jayden has had this random miss where the ball
Speaker 6: doesn't go anywhere near where he wants to go. It's
Speaker 6: actually behind the defender as well. He kind of makes
Speaker 6: a great one handed grab. Other than that, pretty much
Speaker 6: a perfect game where also Brian Robinson Junior goes over
Speaker 6: one hundred yards on twenty one carries. He's averaging almost
Speaker 6: five yards to carry in this game. And Cliff Kingsbury
Speaker 6: comes back afterwards. Dan Quinn, laying just a litany of
Speaker 6: f bombs in the locker room, says that Cliff Kingsbury
Speaker 6: is not leaving this blanking city without a blanking game
Speaker 6: ball and tosses it to Cliff and they're going crazy
Speaker 6: in lock Everything's coming up Commanders right now. Show is
Speaker 6: this their world? They're leading the NFC East.
Speaker 8: Never, this is also a Cliff Kingsbury revenge game, by
Speaker 8: the way, I got a side note. Never in a
Speaker 8: world that I think that we would be praising so
Speaker 8: much Cliff Kingsbury so much just because of the way
Speaker 8: that his tenure went with Arizona. But here we are,
Speaker 8: and you know what, let's take a moment here on
Speaker 8: a very happy day, somber moment, pour one out metaphorically.
Speaker 8: The possession streak ends at oh Okay, okay, it finally ended.
Speaker 8: They finally didn't score on a possession. But that's how
Speaker 8: good they've been. They've been dominant. They've been pumping the
Speaker 8: ball in the end zone. Jade Daniels, he completes, his
Speaker 8: completion percentage was eighty six point seven percent. That's after
Speaker 8: he set the rookie record last week and that went
Speaker 8: over the Bengals. You can't stop these guys. They're a machine.
Speaker 8: No Austin Eckler because he's in concussion protocol, no problem.
Speaker 8: Jeremy McNichols, come on down. Eight carries, sixty eight yards,
Speaker 8: two touchdowns. Throw anybody in there. This offense is a
Speaker 8: well oiled machine. All we need to do is put
Speaker 8: warm bodies in there. We're going to blow you out
Speaker 8: of your own stadium.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: The success rate for Brian Robinson, Jeremy McNichols, and Jaden Daniels,
Speaker 4: all of them were individually over fifty percent, which is
Speaker 4: like a huge number when you're running the ball. So
Speaker 4: it just shows it doesn't matter who it is. Yes,
Speaker 4: Daniels is obviously special and choose as well when to run.
Speaker 4: I think he's gotten a little more careful over the
Speaker 4: last couple of weeks, which is a great sign. But
Speaker 4: the offensive line, that's the one thing I think Kingsbury
Speaker 4: deserves the most credit for. Really the thing that he
Speaker 4: did well in Arizona I thought was coach up and
Speaker 4: have a good offensive line despite you know that you
Speaker 4: looked at the talent and you weren't really sure.
Speaker 5: And they've been very good.
Speaker 4: And it's not just to throw the ball behind the
Speaker 4: line a scrimmage thing. Patrick Jaden Daniels was five for
Speaker 4: five under pressure today, so when they got some heat,
Speaker 4: which wasn't too often, five passes under pressure is not
Speaker 4: a lot. He was complete and seven for nine on
Speaker 4: throws between ten and nineteen yards, so he's been pretty
Speaker 4: good on the mid range. The deep balls haven't really
Speaker 4: happened except for the two famous plays now from that
Speaker 4: Monday night game. But it's amazing this team could I
Speaker 4: don't know what this team could do.
Speaker 5: Well, could win the division?
Speaker 2: Why not?
Speaker 6: And honestly, because the defenders are scared to get too
Speaker 6: far upfield, you have to be honest about your rush
Speaker 6: lands because you don't know when Jayden's gonna pull down.
Speaker 6: He's making the decisions very very well. Is get coming
Speaker 6: into this game. It was two point five to one
Speaker 6: second snap to throw or we just talked about Rogers
Speaker 6: getting rid of the ball in that range in a
Speaker 6: slug fest where they couldn't move the ball at all.
Speaker 6: That's that's how quickly Jaden's been getting It seems like
Speaker 6: perhaps the Giants in that field goal Festival a few
Speaker 6: weeks ago had the best game plan with Jayden Daniels in.
Speaker 5: I mean they didn't stop him though, I mean, right,
Speaker 5: they stop twenty Yeah, yeah, that's true.
Speaker 4: I mean they were just like when they were blowing
Speaker 4: open holes in the red zone. It was just these
Speaker 4: were they were easy. The Cardinals defense played a little
Speaker 4: closer to where I thought the Cardinals defense would play
Speaker 4: in the first three weeks of the season, and then the
Speaker 4: Cardinals offense was disappointing. You watched it closer than me, Patrick,
Speaker 4: but Kyler took four sacks. He looked a little frazzled
Speaker 4: at times. I thought like his eyes were down where
Speaker 4: he he looked a little confused. So I don't know
Speaker 4: if that was something did dan Quinn with Senny m
Speaker 4: DR's Armstrong had a good game, But for the Commander's
Speaker 4: team that was thirty second out of thirty two in
Speaker 4: a lot of categories.
Speaker 5: This was, you know, obviously a great performance by them.
Speaker 4: After you know, a quick start by the Cardinals offense,
Speaker 4: they get the first drive touchdown, not much the rest
Speaker 4: of the day.
Speaker 6: Well, well, the one thing that has been consistent with
Speaker 6: the commander's secondary is when the quarterbacks, the opposing quarterbacks
Speaker 6: have taken the shots, they haven't always been able to
Speaker 6: make plays on the ball. And Kyler just I'm not
Speaker 6: sure how things were he was seeing them, but he
Speaker 6: just wasn't taking those one on one opportunity when they
Speaker 6: were available early. But Emmanuel Forbes, who's gotten a lot
Speaker 6: of negativity from the way that his career started, made
Speaker 6: several plays in this game. Saint just as well. Who's
Speaker 6: they've these guys the commanders at corner have really really struggled.
Speaker 6: And we'll see the next time that, you know, they
Speaker 6: get a chance to make plays on these fifty to
Speaker 6: fifty balls. But today Kyler just didn't didn't really want
Speaker 6: to pull the trigger.
Speaker 4: On They're in the mix, Washington. I mean, they are
Speaker 4: leading the NFC East, and at this point you have
Speaker 4: an offense that good, you have to think they got
Speaker 4: a real chance. Our friend Nate Tice, who's helping us
Speaker 4: out at the NFL network here, so I'm on Good
Speaker 4: Morning Football, tweeted out something that the Washington Commanders through
Speaker 4: four weeks of the season, I believe are in the
Speaker 4: top ten all time in success rate. So that in
Speaker 4: terms of just like do you have a good play
Speaker 4: on a play down and down basis, they are ranking
Speaker 4: through four weeks with the best four week starts of
Speaker 4: any offense in history.
Speaker 5: They are getting it done.
Speaker 4: Let's move on to Tampa, where another offense got it done.
Speaker 16: Lead a yard and a half Mayfield shotgun look, Hans.
Speaker 2: Keeps the ball himself times. He's got a Tampa by touchdown.
Speaker 2: Mayfield with a designed quarterback.
Speaker 4: Keeper Geene Deckerhoff from w A fu s. Yeah, that
Speaker 4: was Baker Mayfield's rushing touchdown to give them a big
Speaker 4: lead in this game. They held on for a thirty
Speaker 4: three to sixteen win. And this was way easier than
Speaker 4: anyone would have thought. I mean, just even them winning
Speaker 4: was a surprise to me. I picked the Eagles. I
Speaker 4: feel like an idiot. You picked the Eagles, I'm sure did.
Speaker 4: Then again, we didn't totally know the injury report at
Speaker 4: that time.
Speaker 5: Lane Johnson did not play.
Speaker 4: Devonte Smith and AJ Brown did not play, despite AJ
Speaker 4: Brown returning to practice on Friday. So that was unfortunate,
Speaker 4: and yet you can maybe put it more on the
Speaker 4: Eagles defense, which is healthy. The first quarter twenty one
Speaker 4: to nothing, lead one hundred and eighty nine yards to
Speaker 4: zero yards. That's a tough way to start a game.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was a honestly, because to see the struggles
Speaker 6: that Jalen Hurst was having again no DeVante Smith, no
Speaker 6: AJ Brown. He was holding onto the ball very long time.
Speaker 6: Got a sack from Vitevea holding onto the ball as well,
Speaker 6: two strip sacks in those situations. But over on the
Speaker 6: other side, because we saw Vic Fangio's defense absolutely shut
Speaker 6: the Saints down in the Superdome less than a week ago.
Speaker 6: And then to come out and see Baker Mayfield, which
Speaker 6: Tom Brady on the call, he was freed from his
Speaker 6: curse of the Cowboys scourge early on in the season.
Speaker 6: He's watching his former teammates go up and down the field.
Speaker 6: Just heaping praise on Chris Godwin. But you could see
Speaker 6: what a healthy Chris Godwin does to this offense. He
Speaker 6: got non targets, caught six of them for sixty nine
Speaker 6: yards our crucial third down conversions as well. It was
Speaker 6: just Baker operating at a level against this Eagles defense
Speaker 6: where they didn't necessarily know what was going on. QUINNYA.
Speaker 6: Mitchell made one play on Mike Evans to knock away
Speaker 6: a touchdown. I can't really think of another play that
Speaker 6: Eagles defender made in the first few drives of this game.
Speaker 6: Baker three forty seven and two touchdowns, and I don't
Speaker 6: even know what to say about the Eagle at this point. Nick.
Speaker 6: It's it's a rough situation.
Speaker 8: It's not pretty. I mean, you go back to some
Speaker 8: of the markers in the next gen categories for Jalen
Speaker 8: Hurts and it's kind of telling. Again, sixteen attempts over
Speaker 8: two and a half seconds, doesn't have his top two
Speaker 8: receivers out there, nobody's getting open. He's holding onto the football.
Speaker 8: They've looked like this for most of the season. He
Speaker 8: did have fourteen under two and a half seconds, but
Speaker 8: still half of it being longer. That worries me, and
Speaker 8: they didn't protect him well. He was sacked six times.
Speaker 8: That speaks to the fact that he's holding onto the
Speaker 8: ball too long. You go in there shorthanded against a
Speaker 8: team that is aggressive. Todd Bowles defense is aggressive and
Speaker 8: it's going to get after you. And you find yourself
Speaker 8: in a twenty one and nothing hole after going three
Speaker 8: and out on each of your first three possessions. You're
Speaker 8: fighting an uphill battle that you're probably not gonna win,
Speaker 8: especially when a guy like Baker Mayfield is balling, which
Speaker 8: he did to start the season and now he's right
Speaker 8: back on track after a rough week last week.
Speaker 5: He's all or nothing.
Speaker 4: This guy's crazy because he had one of the worst
Speaker 4: games of his career. When I rewatched that, when last
Speaker 4: week I thought it was it was kind of on him.
Speaker 5: Last week he was the problem.
Speaker 4: And then he comes out today and that touched un
Speaker 4: and he had to Trey Palmers like that was perfect coverage.
Speaker 4: I can't remember who was in coverage.
Speaker 6: Was it Sligh, Yeah, it was nothing. It was Darius Slay.
Speaker 4: And the safety was coming over the top. There was
Speaker 4: no window there and he just fires it in there
Speaker 4: and that's just like, well, that's that's too good. There's
Speaker 4: nothing that you can even do with that. Mike Evans
Speaker 4: becomes the all time leading Bucks scorer with a touchdown
Speaker 4: earlier than that and the Bucks get the ball going
Speaker 4: on the ground for the first time all years. Both
Speaker 4: the White and Irving go ten for forty nine. That's
Speaker 4: like the nicest running back split I've ever seen.
Speaker 8: Let's unpack that real quick, because that's all the talk
Speaker 8: in Tampa right now is give Bucky Irving more carries
Speaker 8: than than Rashad White. He's playing better, his success rates higher,
Speaker 8: everything else. They like mirrored each other the difference. He
Speaker 8: got the touchdown. So what do you do now?
Speaker 5: It's fine, you need you need him both.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's the way Bucky is gonna pop on some
Speaker 6: plays and you can see the explosiveness. He's a different
Speaker 6: style runner. And when it works and the faster guy
Speaker 6: gets more yards. In the fan, Bryan Rain, it's like, okay, yeah,
Speaker 6: this is the guy because we feel like we have
Speaker 6: we have a chance where they haven't really been running
Speaker 6: the ball very well. They didn't really run the ball
Speaker 6: a lot today, even in a game where they led
Speaker 6: wire to wire. But it's it's just one of those
Speaker 6: it's one of those things where they're both gonna be
Speaker 6: a part of this offense. But I do think we
Speaker 6: will see more and more Bucky Irvring as the season
Speaker 6: goes on.
Speaker 4: Let's listen to Dallas Goddter talking about Nick Sirianni's message
Speaker 4: after the game.
Speaker 17: You know, he said it's early. You know, we're two
Speaker 17: and two. He talked about that. You know, it's not
Speaker 17: college football. You know, our season's on over. We got
Speaker 17: a lot of football ahead of us, and uh, you know,
Speaker 17: we just gotta find ways to uh stay ahead of
Speaker 17: the sticks, move the ball and uh, you know, come back.
Speaker 17: We've got a lot of football left.
Speaker 4: Something about that bothers me that, like, why is Nick
Speaker 4: Sirianni telling the coaches this is not college football?
Speaker 5: The seasons is not over.
Speaker 4: It's like if the pros in that locker room are
Speaker 4: not thinking the season's over, yeah, Like it just gives
Speaker 4: a U a window. It's like, hey, guys, don't think
Speaker 4: the season's over. The season is not over, guys, no
Speaker 4: matter what they're saying.
Speaker 6: And I just maybe it's maybe it's a little personal
Speaker 6: projection regarding who finishes the season.
Speaker 4: I do worry about that because last week they just
Speaker 4: won the game, and every press conference was included some
Speaker 4: version of the question from reporters like and what is
Speaker 4: it you do here?
Speaker 5: Actually? Nick?
Speaker 4: Because like it was talking about how he jumped in
Speaker 4: and messed things up with the fourth down call last week.
Speaker 4: And then they asked Jalen Hurts a question and asked, like,
Speaker 4: how if they're gonna get together and they're going into
Speaker 4: their bye week, get two and two, if they would
Speaker 4: get together and maybe decide how you want the message
Speaker 4: to be the team or how you want to handle
Speaker 4: things between him and Nick as you go into the
Speaker 4: second part of the year. And Jalen Hurts his answer was,
Speaker 4: we have our moments.
Speaker 6: Let's just it.
Speaker 8: This is this is carryover from last year. That's what
Speaker 8: this is. This is the pressure of last year already
Speaker 8: weighing them down one month into the season.
Speaker 5: I think that.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's just he's always they always give them
Speaker 4: and they know what they're doing. They always give them
Speaker 4: a chance to say something nice about Nick Sirianni and
Speaker 4: then he never says it. Hurts had to have been frustrated.
Speaker 4: He was pressured on forty eight percent of his dropbacks,
Speaker 4: four of eleven under pressure.
Speaker 5: Great job by the Bucks.
Speaker 4: Look, the Bucks have had two games where they looked
Speaker 4: out standing this year, Week one against the Commanders and
Speaker 4: this week they stole one in Detroit in a game
Speaker 4: they probably should want. And that's why those steals are
Speaker 4: so big, because now they're sitting there at three and one,
Speaker 4: Eagles are two and two. But it's gonna feel worse
Speaker 4: than that during their bye week. All right, before we
Speaker 4: head to break, want to let you know and just
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Speaker 5: Flash NFL.
Speaker 16: Third down and three, the Bengals hit their own thirty eight.
Speaker 6: Joe Looking has lots of time.
Speaker 16: His pass caught it to fifty by Jamar Chase breaks
Speaker 16: a tangle streaking down the far sideline. She got too
Speaker 16: many teammates to walk and he will take it to
Speaker 16: the house night for a sixty three yard Bengals touchdown.
Speaker 4: Nice Belie, great job there by Dan Hord and Dave Lappin.
Speaker 4: I believe what Dave Lapham said during that highlight.
Speaker 5: Was nice, nice sea Cea nice.
Speaker 4: This is fantastic. Damar Chase takes a house call on
Speaker 4: a play that probably should have been about a six
Speaker 4: yard game helps his buddy Joe Burrow out on a
Speaker 4: day where yeah, they got it going on offense thirty
Speaker 4: four to twenty four. The Bengals get the win in
Speaker 4: a any Dalton revenge game that was not although I
Speaker 4: don't think he was the problem. The Bengals defense took
Speaker 4: made just enough plays. They got a goal line stand
Speaker 4: early and they got a pick and that was about it.
Speaker 5: What the offense is doing well the rest of the day.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's the story of the Bengals so far.
Speaker 6: Good.
Speaker 8: You can finally get off to Shanine get a win.
Speaker 8: First off, congratulations of the Bengals. I thought they set
Speaker 8: the tone with that goal line stand early in this game.
Speaker 8: They arrived in Charlotte on a mission and that was
Speaker 8: don't go zero four and don't lose Dandy Dalton, and
Speaker 8: they did that, so good for them. This is a
Speaker 8: team that's going to be carried by its offense. It's
Speaker 8: going to be carried by Joe Burrow, who made one
Speaker 8: mistake all day, which was the interception. Otherwise he was
Speaker 8: excellent again and luckily they got enough out of their
Speaker 8: ground game. That was probably their best game on the
Speaker 8: ground this season, just visually speaking, you know, thirty attempts
Speaker 8: between Chase Brown Zach Moss for one hundred and thirty
Speaker 8: one yards and two touchdowns. That kind of set the
Speaker 8: tone for their offense and Joe was allowed to build
Speaker 8: out of that. Of course, he has the hookup with
Speaker 8: Jamar Chase the human pinball on that sixty three yard
Speaker 8: touchdown reception, which moved him into a tie with Odell
Speaker 8: Beckham Junior for the most sixty plus yard receiving touchdowns
Speaker 8: in the Super Bowl era with nine. Can you believe that? Nine?
Speaker 8: So they're hum and offensively. Defensively leaves a lot to
Speaker 8: be desired. Trey Hendrickson left this game with an injury
Speaker 8: in the fourth quarter that we need to keep track
Speaker 8: of because that's their only source of pass rush. That's
Speaker 8: where I'm concerned. But again, good for them to get
Speaker 8: that win on the road.
Speaker 6: Yeah, in the concerning area as well, because Trey Hendrickson
Speaker 6: dips down his helmet runs into another player. It leaves
Speaker 6: the game there. But the positive side on the Bengals offense,
Speaker 6: which were a whole bunch of positives, just five pressures
Speaker 6: on thirty two dropbacks against the Panthers. Albeit it's against
Speaker 6: the Carolina Panthers, but this is the new look Carolina
Speaker 6: Panthers Andy Dalton's starting now defense. For some reason, for
Speaker 6: some reason, the defense got better. Yeah, but ultimately Chase
Speaker 6: Brown gets leads the team in rushing, didn't play most
Speaker 6: of the game. I think he only played. He played
Speaker 6: less than forty two percent of the snaps. Also got
Speaker 6: a goal line carry as well, which was a little
Speaker 6: bit of an upset.
Speaker 5: Because fifteen for eighty with two touchdowns.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 4: And he was sitting down there in my kids fantasy
Speaker 4: like I'm trying not to tell them what to do
Speaker 4: too much.
Speaker 5: I'm like, how's Chase Brown on your waive rider at
Speaker 5: that point?
Speaker 6: You gotta you gotta pull rank go ahead and go ahead.
Speaker 4: And see I give suggestions. Yeah, sorry, Greg leads. They
Speaker 4: both teams really didn't have any pressure, so that's it's
Speaker 4: a little concerning. I think for both of these teams.
Speaker 4: Two quarterback hits zero sacks. Now both quarterbacks are getting
Speaker 4: the ball out. I always check after these games, like,
Speaker 4: are the Bengals ever gonna like run more of a
Speaker 4: offense that Zach Taylor, you know, was used to running,
Speaker 4: like the one that he ran when Joe Burrow was
Speaker 4: hurt last year, And like try a you know, try
Speaker 4: to get Joe Burrow to do a little more play action,
Speaker 4: a little more underset or stuff. And the answer is
Speaker 4: usually like, yeah, we tried a little, and it never works.
Speaker 4: He was four for six for eighteen yards with play action.
Speaker 4: Like they're trying to push Joe Burrow to not just
Speaker 4: be that, but that's just not what he's good at.
Speaker 4: He's good at sitting in shotgun and just kind of
Speaker 4: playing distributor and get the ball out quick.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 8: I mean it worked out for him like that that.
Speaker 8: My concerns are not with their offense. My concerns are
Speaker 8: entirely with their defense. On the flip side, the Panthers,
Speaker 8: let's talk about Andy Dalton, who looked good again. That
Speaker 8: interception that he threw was not his fault. It was
Speaker 8: a deflected it. His arm was hit when he threw it.
Speaker 8: Otherwise he looked pretty good again. They had a shot
Speaker 8: to win this game. They were down a touchdown late,
Speaker 8: they had the ball and they came up short. They
Speaker 8: didn't really mount much of a comeback effort on that drive,
Speaker 8: but the fact that they were in the game alone
Speaker 8: just shows how far they've come in two weeks from
Speaker 8: Bryce Young and this is the least talented team in football.
Speaker 8: And Bryce Young limits this offense to Andy Dalton can
Speaker 8: go out there and throw for two twenty and keep
Speaker 8: this offense going. And Chuba Hubbard went for over one
Speaker 8: hundred yards today, which was great to see. Like they
Speaker 8: have life offensively, It's just that in this game, much
Speaker 8: like the Bengals loss to the Commanders last week, they
Speaker 8: didn't have quite enough offense to keep up. What really
Speaker 8: happened is they went down twenty one to fourteen with
Speaker 8: a well timed little dump off to Brown along the
Speaker 8: sideline for a touchdown. It was twenty one fourteen and a half.
Speaker 8: Bengals come out, go right down the field and score,
Speaker 8: and they're up two touchdowns and the Panthers are trying
Speaker 8: to play catch up. If they weren't in that situation,
Speaker 8: probably would have been tight all the way to the
Speaker 8: final snap of the game.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Bengals get a little more production out of
Speaker 4: t Higgins with six catches. Things are moving in the
Speaker 4: right direction. We'll see when the defense plays.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 4: Better offenses coming up. But look, they caught up a
Speaker 4: game in the AFC North. They this was a must
Speaker 4: win game. They said afterwards, you just can't go to
Speaker 4: zero to four. They're gonna try to be crawling out
Speaker 4: of this hole, probably for the whole season, maybe for
Speaker 4: the just the first half of the season. But they
Speaker 4: caught up a game in the AFC North. The Panthers
Speaker 4: fall to one in three. They are already a couple
Speaker 4: of games back. So dreams of suddenly being relevant maybe
Speaker 4: taking a little break here. Let's go to two teams
Speaker 4: who are definitely entering Sunday in Vegas, worried about falling
Speaker 4: into irrelevance.
Speaker 6: They gotta get right. They're not right, They're not right.
Speaker 6: They're covers.
Speaker 2: Just from.
Speaker 5: There's the snap, Watson Puss, he's under pressure, he's.
Speaker 2: Rolling out to the left. Blighters given Chase balls out.
Speaker 13: That's charge snod In with the sack, and the biggest player.
Speaker 2: Of the day, Charles snowed it off the edge.
Speaker 13: Back to back plays and the Raiders defense with thirty
Speaker 13: four seconds left, might have just won this game against Cleveland.
Speaker 5: More, there's no might have.
Speaker 4: After a couple nils, the Raiders get the win at
Speaker 4: home twenty to seventeen. They are two and two, the
Speaker 4: Browns at one and three and not feeling good about life. Yes,
Speaker 4: Deshaun Watson got them within striking.
Speaker 5: Distance inside the ten.
Speaker 4: There late holds onto the ball looks like a disguised
Speaker 4: coverage confused him. Nick his read that he expected to
Speaker 4: be open. I think what was Cooper And I think
Speaker 4: he thought it was man coverage and ends up he's
Speaker 4: double covered. He holds onto it too long, doesn't get
Speaker 4: rid of the ball, and man, they lose.
Speaker 5: Sad times in Cleveland, Yeah, sad times.
Speaker 8: And the funny thing is is most of the season
Speaker 8: has been defined for the Browns not to focus on
Speaker 8: the losers first, but most of it has been focused
Speaker 8: on the fact that DeShawn Watson has not played well.
Speaker 8: He actually played pretty well today. He put them in
Speaker 8: multiple spots where they could score points or at least
Speaker 8: get closer to scoring points. It was everybody around him failing.
Speaker 8: It was the penalties committed. He stepped up in the
Speaker 8: pocket and found a Mary Cooper wide open for an
Speaker 8: eighty two yard touchdown that would have flipped the game
Speaker 8: and gave them the lead. Gets called back by holding
Speaker 8: on Nick Harris, who came in for the injured Ethan
Speaker 8: Posik at center. There's another play earlier in the game
Speaker 8: where he throws a pass over the middle to a
Speaker 8: Mark Cooper, perfect ball, hits him right in the chest,
Speaker 8: pops right up in the air for an interception. It
Speaker 8: was that type of day for the Browns and a
Speaker 8: gritty win for the Raiders, playing without Max Crosby, playing
Speaker 8: without DeVante Adams and getting as creative as you'll probably
Speaker 8: see outside of Matt Leffluur's approach with Leak Willis a
Speaker 8: couple weeks ago. With the ground game, they had like
Speaker 8: seven different guys carried the ball. Two receivers scored rushing
Speaker 8: touchdowns in this game. Their lead running back was alexand
Speaker 8: Madison with five for sixty. They rushed as a team
Speaker 8: for one hundred and fifty two yards, the first time
Speaker 8: the rushing game has shown any life this season. So
Speaker 8: it was one of those team victories that didn't look pretty,
Speaker 8: but they needed it and they needed to be gritty
Speaker 8: without Adams and Crosby, and they got the job done.
Speaker 8: But to circle back on that play one more time, Okay,
Speaker 8: Watson's he's got two guys opened. Yeah, he's got two
Speaker 8: guys open, and he's about to fire, and I think
Speaker 8: he sees somebody slide back in coverage and that's when
Speaker 8: he pulls it down and by then the pass rush
Speaker 8: was in his face. Good day for him. Otherwise, tough
Speaker 8: ending for the Browns. The Browns are a bad team.
Speaker 8: They are about bad football team of the quarterback who
Speaker 8: can't be trusted, as simple as that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, on that play, you're right, guys were open, and
Speaker 4: that's ultimately on the quarterback to figure out what the
Speaker 4: defense is doing and stay calm under pressure.
Speaker 5: Look they yeah, they had.
Speaker 4: First and ten at the Vegas sixteen with two minutes
Speaker 4: to go, so they had all sorts of time then
Speaker 4: like a bungled snap and an incomplete just a lot
Speaker 4: of sloppiness. Watson had one interception in this game that
Speaker 4: was just a drop right by Amari Cooper and it
Speaker 4: could have been a big play and it turned into
Speaker 4: an interception. And to your point on the Raiders running game,
Speaker 4: I did have to google who is d Turner for
Speaker 4: the Raiders. DJ Turner one carry, eighteen yards, touchdown.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's one of those wide receiver carries. The other
Speaker 6: one went to Trey Tucker, come all the way around
Speaker 6: on the end zone of a play that started with
Speaker 6: a handoff to Zamir White, which seventeen plays ultimately handed
Speaker 6: off to Zamir White. He got fifty yards. He was
Speaker 6: two point nine yards per carry. Alexander Madison is out
Speaker 6: gained Zamir White in every game they've played this season.
Speaker 6: And at a certain point, I know AP wants to
Speaker 6: get this ground game figured out. Was Zamir White, but
Speaker 6: this seems like Alexander Madison's backfield. He had five carries
Speaker 6: for sixty yards today. Looked explosive.
Speaker 4: Did he have the conversion on the third and nine?
Speaker 4: That was where I was like, man, the Browns are
Speaker 4: not the Browns because it was a third and nine run?
Speaker 5: Picked it up?
Speaker 8: Yeah, well they don't tackle well, they lead the league
Speaker 8: in the most mistackles, And yeah it was masking on
Speaker 8: that run. A hard fought run, but another poor display
Speaker 8: of tackling.
Speaker 6: And again this is this was a game that we
Speaker 6: weren't necessarily thinking this was going to be a score
Speaker 6: fest coming in two very very hurt teams, two offenses
Speaker 6: that are playing poorly. But there were so many chances.
Speaker 6: There are so many chances for Cleveland, and they didn't
Speaker 6: take advantage of almost any of them in the plays
Speaker 6: that they did make, that the holding call being the
Speaker 6: key one. And I understand the fourth down play pressure
Speaker 6: comes to shut you have to throw the ball somewhere
Speaker 6: on that, but again it should have been to that point, right,
Speaker 6: It should have even come into that circumstance because in
Speaker 6: the second half, the Browns defense eventually did get things
Speaker 6: figured out.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they got to pick.
Speaker 4: I mean, they got that Joka forces a fumble that
Speaker 4: they return for a touchdown. And I was just about
Speaker 4: to say, look, the Brown's defense, it's still a good defense.
Speaker 4: But you just couldn't expect them to be as dominant
Speaker 4: as they were a year ago.
Speaker 5: Consistently. It's just not gonna happen.
Speaker 4: And then again, you know, in this game, they did
Speaker 4: score seven points to to mitigate whatever, you know, mistakes
Speaker 4: they made against a team without DeVante Adams. They're missing
Speaker 4: both their tackles. You mentioned the center got hurt.
Speaker 5: There.
Speaker 4: There are extenuating circumstances Nick for sure, but they're they're
Speaker 4: not overcoming them. And in this one, give credit to
Speaker 4: the Raiders who are I mean, Isaiah pola Mayo is
Speaker 4: out there at Mayo, not Paula Malo. Pola Mayo is
Speaker 4: out there and making pass breakups at safety and getting
Speaker 4: a sack on a blitz and they're having guys step
Speaker 4: up and get enough like calebon chas On showed up
Speaker 4: and had three pressures in this game. I'm like, oh wow,
Speaker 4: Caleb On, Jason's It's happening finally after after five years.
Speaker 4: So it's probably not really it's against some backup tackles,
Speaker 4: but it was a big It was a big day
Speaker 4: for Antonio Pierce who had a tough week, and for
Speaker 4: the Raiders to get this win, to get the two
Speaker 4: and two.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that safety pull the maul that you talked about.
Speaker 8: He made a fantastic breakup on a pass, a perfect
Speaker 8: pass from Deshaun Watson to Jerry Judy that would have
Speaker 8: been a huge gain and he arrives at the perfect
Speaker 8: time they're playing. I mean, that defense has been good
Speaker 8: all year and even without Crosby, they still play good football.
Speaker 8: The Browns bad vibes like the bad vibes group in
Speaker 8: the NFL right now, there are two teams in there,
Speaker 8: the Jacksonville Jaguars in the Cleveland brownsm Okay.
Speaker 18: I think some Eagles fans will probably yeah yet almost
Speaker 18: but not yet.
Speaker 5: They're pretty bad, Yeah, pretty bad vibes.
Speaker 6: But yeah, the play that Nick was talking about with
Speaker 6: Poula Mayu, his helmet or shoulder pads are inches different,
Speaker 6: and that's a flag and a fine. Like he really
Speaker 6: got his helmet and shoulder pads in the perfect place.
Speaker 6: It's a break. Judy was asking for a flag, but
Speaker 6: he couldn't, you know, he has the benefit doesn't have
Speaker 6: the benefit of seeing the play from the outside where
Speaker 6: it was perfect timing and perfect placement.
Speaker 5: And it was a great throw.
Speaker 4: It was also third and three in the fourth quarter
Speaker 4: and Watson was for a shot and it was like
Speaker 4: it was like wide open. It was like there was
Speaker 4: a safety. You know, obviously there was a safety back
Speaker 4: there and he didn't beat covered that much. So it's
Speaker 4: like the decision, the decisions with Watson not the best.
Speaker 4: You say the vibes are aren't good in Cleveland. I mean,
Speaker 4: if you listen to Boston Talk radio on Monday, I
Speaker 4: doubt the vibes are gonna be great there either.
Speaker 5: Let's go to Santa Clara.
Speaker 19: They have three left and Hunter Henry, the former Charger
Speaker 19: tight end right. Forsett back steps up. Here comes Floyd
Speaker 19: throw over the middle and accepted by Fred Warner. Fred
Speaker 19: gets up and runs back the other way thirty twenty
Speaker 19: one block and he's in ten five pushed out.
Speaker 2: Dives for the end zone touchdown. San fred Sisco picked City.
Speaker 4: Baby one of my favorite plays of the year. Fred
Speaker 4: Warner picks six. This guy is your best defensive player
Speaker 4: in the league through four weeks, Greg Papa Tim Ryan
Speaker 4: on k N the R. You just love it when
Speaker 4: potential Hall of Fame type players are at their very
Speaker 4: peak and you can just count on tuning in every
Speaker 4: week they're gonna do something special that looked like a
Speaker 4: glitch in a like a video game in tech Mo
Speaker 4: Bole where the guy would just fly right off the
Speaker 4: top of the screen and Fred Warner just I didn't
Speaker 4: even see him. Jacoby Brissett definitely didn't see if he
Speaker 4: flies to the top, gets up off the ground and
Speaker 4: gets a touchdown. Unfortunately, Warner left the game later with
Speaker 4: an ankle injury was not able to return was standing
Speaker 4: on the sideline, hopefully not too serious. And I just
Speaker 4: thought watching this game and seeing the individual plays by
Speaker 4: the forty nine ers and enjoying hearing Greg Papa's voice
Speaker 4: so much like. This game had two highlights, two touchdowns
Speaker 4: that were maybe better than any two touchdowns I sawidate
Speaker 4: So let's hear another one.
Speaker 19: Bard and Chen on the twelve yard line. Chance play
Speaker 19: the drive. They've had two touchdowns called back by penalty.
Speaker 19: Brock shotgun, hues check, Jewish right along back. Now you
Speaker 19: chike right and they go Kittle Jennings Devo from inside,
Speaker 19: you out left, rock back and to throw for the
Speaker 19: end zone for Kittle lock Bell.
Speaker 2: George went up and caught the ball.
Speaker 3: Touchdown, say Fred Cisco Kittle in the corner, baby.
Speaker 2: Superman in the phone move.
Speaker 9: He went up and there are players raped all over him.
Speaker 4: Three Patriots defenders there to try to stop George Kittle.
Speaker 5: You can't stop him. What a play.
Speaker 4: It turns out that you're better when you have Deebo
Speaker 4: Samuel on the field and George Kittle on the field.
Speaker 4: And yeah, they were back to being the forty nine ers.
Speaker 4: They ran away and hid very early in this game.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Deebo Samuel had a fifty three order from Brock Party.
Speaker 6: Just those because you wonder, like what happens when you
Speaker 6: don't have those guys. It's not necessarily always the continued
Speaker 6: offensive end, So sometimes it really is just four or
Speaker 6: five plays, and those four or five plays when they're
Speaker 6: big plays like that, gettle over three guys d Bow
Speaker 6: for fifty three. It just it pops over the course
Speaker 6: of the game. And Yeah, the scary thing for San
Speaker 6: Francisco as they get all those guys back is Fred's
Speaker 6: gonna get MRI tomorrow and you don't really get in
Speaker 6: that machine for fun. So that's concerning. But it's I mean,
Speaker 6: when they're healthy, I mean, they're the forty nine ers.
Speaker 6: It's glad to see them back to being the forty
Speaker 6: nine ers again, albeit against this Patriots team. Right, made
Speaker 6: plays in spots, made plays in spots, and they actually
Speaker 6: made it a game towards the middle of the fourth quarter,
Speaker 6: but just not enough at the end.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was twenty to ten at one point in
Speaker 4: the third quarter. Joey Sly hits a sixty two yard
Speaker 4: bomb at the end of the first half. I mean,
Speaker 4: that was their highlight. But at that point it was,
Speaker 4: it was twenty to nothing and they were As an
Speaker 4: announcer there mentioned it's like there were like touchdowns called
Speaker 4: back by penalties multiple times for the forty nine ers,
Speaker 4: and then they would they just like score anyways, a
Speaker 4: couple fumble situations which you know worked out in San
Speaker 4: Francisco's favor. The Patriots offensive line is just so bad,
Speaker 4: and then they lose David Andrews, who's their best player,
Speaker 4: their center early in this game. Kayden Wallace, who's their
Speaker 4: third string left tackle, got hurt and left the game,
Speaker 4: and it's just insane. Brissette play had a face to
Speaker 4: fifty four percent pressure rate, ten QB hits, six sacks.
Speaker 4: I'm amazed that he's been able to keep getting up
Speaker 4: because he's taking hard hits.
Speaker 5: The difference in this.
Speaker 4: Game shook on one level is actually Perty was under
Speaker 4: a lot of pressure in this game. Kean White had
Speaker 4: a good game in Their offensive line wasn't amazing, and
Speaker 4: Purdy is outstanding at escaping pressure in a way that
Speaker 4: you know Jacoby is not going to be.
Speaker 5: Never was.
Speaker 4: I was, but definitely not at this stage of his career.
Speaker 15: No.
Speaker 8: Yeah, And I feel like this game essentially like delivered
Speaker 8: what we expected from both teams speaking of strengths and weaknesses,
Speaker 8: because like Jacoby's been under attack like this every week,
Speaker 8: and he's taken a ton of hits, like you said,
Speaker 8: to the point where there's been many times where everything
Speaker 8: like oh, is that the one that knocks him out?
Speaker 8: And he just keeps getting back up and getting back
Speaker 8: out there and continues playing. I mean, it answers every
Speaker 8: question as to why people are like, why aren't they
Speaker 8: playing Drake May because they can't protect well enough and
Speaker 8: there's no reason to put him back there. But on
Speaker 8: the flip side, you know, you also get, you know,
Speaker 8: the one hundred and twenty three yard rushing day from
Speaker 8: Jordan Mason, and you know, everything that you see from
Speaker 8: the fort Niners, you know, highlights wise and George Kittle
Speaker 8: being the most joyful guy other than Bob Papa in
Speaker 8: the entire league stadium. As soon as he makes that
Speaker 8: catch like this very much fracks with what we expected.
Speaker 8: And unfortunately, because of who the Patriots are, and it
Speaker 8: starts again in the trenches. As I'll always say, this
Speaker 8: is going to be how a lot of their season goes,
Speaker 8: and you're just gonna have to you know, accept it
Speaker 8: and hope for the best.
Speaker 4: It's tough. They're probably the worst team in the NFL.
Speaker 4: The forty nine Ers had six plays over twenty yards.
Speaker 4: I you had a big chunk early, but then again
Speaker 4: seemed a little off on a couple of plays. Almost
Speaker 4: caused an interception with Purdy. Juwan Jennings made a ridiculous
Speaker 4: catch in for forty five yards and tight coverage over
Speaker 4: Jonathan Jones so that it was like a beautiful ball
Speaker 4: by Purty. So is the ball to Samuel. I've really
Speaker 4: been impressed with how Perty's playing this year in out
Speaker 4: standing throw early in this game, across his body on
Speaker 4: the third and nine to keep a drive going that
Speaker 4: was just not an ordinary play.
Speaker 5: And then those nice deep balls.
Speaker 4: He missed a couple deep, but he kept trying for
Speaker 4: him and they're hitting these post shots, which is you know,
Speaker 4: you don't see him hitting going for those bombs all
Speaker 4: the time, and he's a good deep ball thrower. They
Speaker 4: do not miss Christian McCaffrey that much because their running
Speaker 4: game is so effective. I know they miss him Patrick,
Speaker 4: but Jordan Mason had one hundred and sixty yards in
Speaker 4: this game. They are statistically one of the most effective
Speaker 4: running games.
Speaker 5: I just mean, like the.
Speaker 4: Running game is is pretty low on their list of concerns.
Speaker 4: Anything offensively is pretty low on their list of concerns. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that particular aspect of when he's a really good player too.
Speaker 6: Jordan Mason is a solid run. It's not to take
Speaker 6: away from Christian McCaffrey. Jordan Mason can contribute on a
Speaker 6: lot of teams. I do think in the passing game
Speaker 6: not having Christian Christian mccafrey is a significant loss because
Speaker 6: it just forces you to have to defend so many
Speaker 6: aspects of the field and contend with Debo and Brandon
Speaker 6: Ayuk and George Kittle. It allows everybody to kind of
Speaker 6: be at their best, which is why they traded for
Speaker 6: him in the first place. But regardless, New England didn't
Speaker 6: have the horses on either side to really be in
Speaker 6: this game, and San Francisco kind of able to zombie.
Speaker 4: Don't get too confident in San Francisco. The Jets also
Speaker 4: had a game like this and you know, came back
Speaker 4: to Earth quickly because they might think like, oh, we
Speaker 4: got our defensive line problems solved, Like Kevin Gibbons had
Speaker 4: two and a half sacks, in this game, actually played
Speaker 4: all well all year. MALIEK Collins had five pressures, a
Speaker 4: lot of them quick. Nick Bosa was involved in back
Speaker 4: to back sack plays in the third when when when
Speaker 4: it looked close for a brief second. But yeah, this
Speaker 4: this Patriots line and everything about their offense just under manned.
Speaker 5: Right now.
Speaker 4: They go to one and three and the forty nine
Speaker 4: is gonna much win, much needed win to get to
Speaker 4: two and two.
Speaker 5: We're gonna take a quick break here.
Speaker 4: We're actually gonna say goodbye to Patrick Claybonn and thank
Speaker 4: him for his service on this program. We're gonna say
Speaker 4: so long to Nick Schook for just a little bit.
Speaker 4: He'll be back with me on Sunday Night Football. And
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna chop it up with one of my
Speaker 4: favorite dudes, Kevin Patrick. Just a couple of games Bears, Rams, Jags, Texans,
Speaker 4: both good games.
Speaker 18: The Patrick games this week see a Patrick LEAs see Gus.
Speaker 20: Most of the tight end Parkinson, snap stut up front,
Speaker 20: pressure coming stay up, putting by intercept Prisker, the grab
Speaker 20: of the eighteen yard line, the pressure fighting Stafford and Prisker.
Speaker 2: Well there's second, well almost second. It tip with the day.
Speaker 20: The first one in the end zone did not count
Speaker 20: for this one catch very much and we got to
Speaker 20: fade the bluff moment that soldier field.
Speaker 4: That's right, Jeff Doniac there on w MVP Matthew Stafford. Look,
Speaker 4: he battled, That's what Matthew Stafford does. But throws a
Speaker 4: late interception under pressure while getting smacked.
Speaker 5: If that for a second, maybe did they get him
Speaker 5: around the head?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 21: Oh, they definitely did.
Speaker 4: Okay, they definitely did, but the call did not happen.
Speaker 4: And yes, that is Kevin Patra. The Bears win twenty
Speaker 4: four to eighteen, Rams fall to one in three and
Speaker 4: the Bears get a big win to even their record
Speaker 4: at two and two.
Speaker 5: So you think they missed that call? Patrick, I do.
Speaker 21: I do think you got hitting the chops.
Speaker 22: But you know, to me, this game was all about
Speaker 22: the what the Rams didn't do and how the Rams
Speaker 22: like that was the interception to seal it. But Stafford's
Speaker 22: fumble in deep in his own end early in the
Speaker 22: game was what really kind of pullted the Bears like
Speaker 22: they Then there was a penalty on the Rams that
Speaker 22: gave him a first down in first and goal at
Speaker 22: the one, and they plunged it in. But before that
Speaker 22: it was like the Rams were marching up and down
Speaker 22: the field, installing as they are wont to do without
Speaker 22: their top guns. And then the Bears couldn't do anything
Speaker 22: on an offense at all. It was one first down
Speaker 22: and then a three and out and then a couple
Speaker 22: first downs, and Caleb Williams did not play well in
Speaker 22: the first half, and the ground game in Chicago again
Speaker 22: as we'd seen all year. I mean, they have ninety
Speaker 22: seven yards in the first half and I think like
Speaker 22: six first downs, so it wasn't pretty early. But that
Speaker 22: turnover deep in end zone gave the Bears life.
Speaker 4: So yeah, you're talking about the turnover that sets up
Speaker 4: a very brief drive by the Bears for the Rosawan
Speaker 4: Johnson touchdown run gives them a seven to six lead
Speaker 4: up with a ten to six halftime lead in a
Speaker 4: half that it felt like the Rams were kind of controlling.
Speaker 4: But you got to give the Bears defense credit here. Like,
Speaker 4: just coming into the game, I thought, Okay, the stafford
Speaker 4: and this story that they had a week ago, which
Speaker 4: was great, is going to be challenged more today by
Speaker 4: the Bear So it didn't surprise me that they finished
Speaker 4: with like eighteen points in this game, or that they
Speaker 4: struggled in the red zone, Like what did the Bears
Speaker 4: defense do?
Speaker 22: Well, Well, they got pressure, I mean and as they.
Speaker 21: As they usually do.
Speaker 22: And Brisker was all over the field as in that call.
Speaker 22: He should have had another interception earlier in the game
Speaker 22: in the red zone, actually in the end zone, but
Speaker 22: he just stepped out by a toe. It was a
Speaker 22: very laxadaisical pass by Stafford. I couldn't believe he unleashed it.
Speaker 22: But Brisker was all over the field, twelve tackles, a
Speaker 22: couple tackles for loss, the game closing interception. He was everywhere,
Speaker 22: and Sweat had the game changing fumble in my opinion,
Speaker 22: earlier he's the one who caused that that Stafford fund
Speaker 22: so he had that and the Rams, we know they're shorthanded.
Speaker 22: Karen Williams did his thing. But when you don't have
Speaker 22: Cup and you don't have Puka Nakua to take away
Speaker 22: some of the coverages, the Bears could just sit on
Speaker 22: the run run game and they just kind of stuffed
Speaker 22: them and there was just no like the Rams offense
Speaker 22: was just waves up and down all game, all game.
Speaker 22: You didn't know what you were going to get one
Speaker 22: drive to the next.
Speaker 4: Well, they they changed up their wide receiver rotation Jordan
Speaker 4: and Winnington takes over as like the guy who's running
Speaker 4: the most routes gets eight for six or six for
Speaker 4: sixty two. Finally makes me feel like it was worth
Speaker 4: going to a Rams preseason game for the first time.
Speaker 21: I thought of you home almost every time.
Speaker 4: Right because he was awesome in the preseason. I actually
Speaker 4: do think he can replicate what Puka and Cooper Cup
Speaker 4: does more than any Wells just because of his style
Speaker 4: of plays physical.
Speaker 5: He's obviously not going to be as good as them.
Speaker 22: He played well today and he was their leading receiver
Speaker 22: for most of the game until two two had a
Speaker 22: couple big catches later, but he was clearly the guy
Speaker 22: that staffer was comfortable with throwing the ball to over
Speaker 22: the middle.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and too two has been great for them. Too
Speaker 4: gets four catches for eighty two yards.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: That the Caleb side of things and the Bears offense, Look,
Speaker 4: they get the job done. DeAndre Swift busts open a
Speaker 4: big run late in this game. Hell, let's listen to
Speaker 4: this touchdown run by Jeff Joniyak.
Speaker 5: Here with the call one back set snap, dance against side.
Speaker 2: Over a man Swift, but the burst.
Speaker 20: Of the twenty five twenty, he's going benny ten five
Speaker 20: hens out touchdown Bears thirty six yards chuck.
Speaker 2: By DeAndre Swift.
Speaker 4: Needed that this team is not going to get anywhere
Speaker 4: without a running game. Swift goes sixteen for ninety three.
Speaker 4: Helped out by that. But they were better in the
Speaker 4: second half. They kind of took Khalil Herbert out of
Speaker 4: the rotation. They'll need that because Caleb Williams is certainly
Speaker 4: still struggling to throw deeper throws. He was fifteen for
Speaker 4: fifteen on throws under ten yards Kevin Patrick, so that's good, yeah,
Speaker 4: but two for seven over ten yards over four over twenty.
Speaker 4: His three wide receivers combine the three big ones, DJ More,
Speaker 4: Keenan Allen, and rome A Dunze combined for fifty one
Speaker 4: yards on seven catches.
Speaker 5: So not a lot on the outside here.
Speaker 22: No, And you can tell he kind of still doesn't
Speaker 22: trust his offensive line, I think because it's either he
Speaker 22: gets it out quick or he just seems that the
Speaker 22: gears start to turn and he just like kind of
Speaker 22: is overthinking it where you know, you'd like to see
Speaker 22: a little bit more progression from him, and he flashes
Speaker 22: it every once in a while, but it really is
Speaker 22: if his first read isn't there, he's overthinking it and
Speaker 22: I think he's just waiting on pressure.
Speaker 21: He did that a lot in the first.
Speaker 22: Half, like he was just like, Okay, pressure should be
Speaker 22: here by now, because this is what the offensive line
Speaker 22: that I have in front of me go bing back
Speaker 22: to Swift, I think from what we saw last year
Speaker 22: and that he was a bunch of memes about him
Speaker 22: on the on Twitter last year last week after the
Speaker 22: Colts game, but he was much more decisive this week,
Speaker 22: and I think that's what he needs to be. He's
Speaker 22: one of those guys who kind of gets in his
Speaker 22: own head when he's got two lanes to pick and
Speaker 22: he just needs to hit the hole and go. And
Speaker 22: he was much better with that today and I think
Speaker 22: that's why you saw an improved run game.
Speaker 4: Love it, love uh love Kevin Patrick with the coaching
Speaker 4: tips for DeAndre Swift and yeah this this this Rams defense,
Speaker 4: you know that you get it a sacked by Braden
Speaker 4: Fisk and uh, they're just not special enough. They ran
Speaker 4: the ball fairly well, but This is gonna be a
Speaker 4: very challenging season. Pukka is reportedly going to be out
Speaker 4: till about week nine, according to Fox's Jay Glazer. So
Speaker 4: we'll see when Cooper Cupper turns he is not on
Speaker 4: injured reserve. All right, let's go to Houston, where we
Speaker 4: thought it'd be a one sided game. Instead, Patrick got
Speaker 4: another good one.
Speaker 6: Second and goal digs to the right side.
Speaker 2: Offset I C J. Rowls after the right close to.
Speaker 13: The X one hit story the texait score they lead.
Speaker 12: C J.
Speaker 2: Stroud.
Speaker 13: Tataria, who's had a huge game, puts the Texans off top.
Speaker 4: Oh, they didn't tell you that it was gonna be
Speaker 4: the dari A Goombawale.
Speaker 5: Revenge game, did they?
Speaker 4: Big game winning touchdown four catches for a Gumbawala for
Speaker 4: forty seven yards and for the second time this season,
Speaker 4: the Texans needed a touchdown late. Happened against the Colts,
Speaker 4: got it, happened against the Jaguars. Got it or else.
Speaker 4: This team could be looking at a totally different season.
Speaker 4: But they get to win three and one on the year.
Speaker 4: The Jaguars fall to oh And for Kevin and it
Speaker 4: was on a day where seemed like they they gave
Speaker 4: the Texans everything they could have wanted. They had a
Speaker 4: second half lead but couldn't.
Speaker 5: Close the deal.
Speaker 22: Yeah, the Jags played better than they have but they
Speaker 22: still left the door open. And this was a Nico
Speaker 22: Collins game all day. Every time a big third down happened,
Speaker 22: Nico Collins big, big second and long. Because the Texans
Speaker 22: couldn't stop committing penalties on especially the offensive line, like
Speaker 22: Laramie Tunzel is just a penalty machine right now.
Speaker 21: It's kind of ridiculous.
Speaker 22: They were in like second and fifteen all game and
Speaker 22: it would just be Stroud drops back, hits a Nico
Speaker 22: over the middle, and then they moved the chains. But
Speaker 22: I mean, this game started pretty hot for Houston and
Speaker 22: then they scored three of their first four possessions and
Speaker 22: then it was just the second half just punt punt,
Speaker 22: punt punt. And I'm actually surprised that the Jags defense
Speaker 22: stood up without They didn't have Devin Lloyd Alukhan's on
Speaker 22: IR so their run defense was pretty impressive. I mean,
Speaker 22: Akers had a few decent ones, but I mean they
Speaker 22: couldn't run the ball very well consistently. I should say
Speaker 22: They're just a lot of third and long situations for CJ.
Speaker 22: Stroud to manage his way through, and they did it
Speaker 22: when it counted, And that's the kind of metal that
Speaker 22: you have when you have a Stroud type of player.
Speaker 22: It kind of felt to like that once they got
Speaker 22: the ball back with so much time, because we can
Speaker 22: get into the Jags on how they kind of imploded
Speaker 22: at the end, but they got the ball back with
Speaker 22: all day to just drive down and do whatever they
Speaker 22: wanted and milk the clock inside the five yard line
Speaker 22: before they scored, right.
Speaker 4: I mean, on one hand, I have a lot of
Speaker 4: faith in CJ. Strive to do it do that. On
Speaker 4: the other hand, they had just gotten five straight puns,
Speaker 4: So the Jaguars offense had every chance to put this
Speaker 4: game away earlier. And I know they were out gained
Speaker 4: in this game, but I couldn't help but see that. Look,
Speaker 4: they had the better rushing game today. Tank Big goes
Speaker 4: seven for ninety including a fifty eight yarder, Etn has
Speaker 4: a fifty yarder. Even Brian Thomas has a thirteen yard run,
Speaker 4: so he supported there. The defense is getting a lot
Speaker 4: of stops and you need Trevor Lawrence to kind of
Speaker 4: step up a little more.
Speaker 5: Than he did.
Speaker 4: He had a negative seven point five percent completion percentage
Speaker 4: over expected. Again, he's been at the very bottom of
Speaker 4: the league so far this season, and that matches the
Speaker 4: eye test.
Speaker 5: What did you see from Lawrence today?
Speaker 22: He just continues to be scattershot. Especially most concerning is
Speaker 22: the short throws and the over the middle throws that
Speaker 22: should be easy for him. He should be completing in
Speaker 22: a Doug Peterson offense. Those are should be the easy
Speaker 22: throws that you can convert. And he They called two
Speaker 22: pass plays on their final drive when they should have.
Speaker 22: They could have just milked the clock because, like you mentioned,
Speaker 22: the run game was working in the second half. That's
Speaker 22: what got them into the lead. And so they instead
Speaker 22: of you know, just leaning on that at least on
Speaker 22: second down and getting you know, getting into a manageable
Speaker 22: third down, they threw it twice and then c J.
Speaker 22: Strout had three and a half minutes to work his
Speaker 22: way down the field. Where I mean, just given how
Speaker 22: Trevor Lawrence has played, I was kind of surprised they
Speaker 22: put the ball in his hands in those spots and
Speaker 22: he missed. He missed twice. Like it wasn't It wasn't
Speaker 22: like some great defensive play he put up the ball
Speaker 22: behind Kirk on one on the third down play he
Speaker 22: had him.
Speaker 21: He's just missed. Like I made a joke the other day.
Speaker 22: It's like he kind of reminds me of my toddler
Speaker 22: son when he first tried to started peeing, like standing up,
Speaker 22: like just the totally's right there, just hit it.
Speaker 4: Hit the I mean like it's like a lot. It's
Speaker 4: like a lot of the guys here at NFL Media.
Speaker 4: I don't know what's going on, but you go to
Speaker 4: the urino and there's just like there's there's always some
Speaker 4: liquid on the ground. I'm just like, is this that challenging?
Speaker 4: Someone had to put a sign up at one point
Speaker 4: last year. I don't know if anyone you remember that, Eric,
Speaker 4: Like someone put us a sign up being like whoever
Speaker 4: keeps missing, Like, let's get it under choice words on
Speaker 4: that sign too, Yeah, get it under control. Uh that
Speaker 4: is Trevor Lawrence right now. And uh it's interesting. Just
Speaker 4: keep that evaluation from patra in mind when you listen
Speaker 4: to Doug Peterson after the game being asked about possibly
Speaker 4: taking over play calling duties.
Speaker 23: For what I thought he called a great game. We
Speaker 23: as coaches, we can't make the We can't go out
Speaker 23: there and make the plays right. It's a two way street.
Speaker 23: So you know, you guys can sit here and point
Speaker 23: the finger all you want and that's fine.
Speaker 6: Point it right at me. I can take it. Okay,
Speaker 6: I can take it.
Speaker 23: So whatever you want to ask me, say whatever, right,
Speaker 23: go ahead.
Speaker 2: Mmm.
Speaker 4: This is really tough and they're going to be going
Speaker 4: to London soon. And when you hear that that, that's
Speaker 4: that's a tough one because that's gonna be shown in
Speaker 4: the headlines of like, yeah, hey, the players, you know,
Speaker 4: I mean, he's not wrong like that. It's probably not
Speaker 4: all about the play calling it, but it's hard not
Speaker 4: to connect the dots between what's going on with his
Speaker 4: quarterback and just what the team is and it's not
Speaker 4: about the play calling.
Speaker 22: It's been four weeks of this. It's been four weeks
Speaker 22: of Trevor missing in big spots over and over again.
Speaker 22: They've had chances to win games. And Brian Thomas was
Speaker 22: great again.
Speaker 5: Today sixth a touchdown.
Speaker 21: Yeah, he deserves more targets.
Speaker 22: Honestly, he should have had more targets on Christian Kirk
Speaker 22: to just to be honest about that.
Speaker 21: But he was great.
Speaker 22: But Trevor just misses the layups. He just has to
Speaker 22: make layups. They're not asking him to do a whole lot.
Speaker 22: They don't They don't push the ball down the field
Speaker 22: a ton, so he just has to hit the ones
Speaker 22: that are there. Fifty four percent completion rate for a
Speaker 22: guy with that came into the league as a number
Speaker 22: one overall pick is just highly disappointing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the yards per attempt down too, And yeah, I
Speaker 4: just wanted to circle back quickly that Nego Collins' final
Speaker 4: stat line is twelve for one fifty one and a
Speaker 4: touchdown on fifteen targets.
Speaker 5: And I was having this conversation. I wish I had
Speaker 5: it on air.
Speaker 4: Off air, It's like, we don't have to wait to
Speaker 4: be like, hey, Nigo Collins is one of the five
Speaker 4: best receivers in the league. It's not it's obvious. He
Speaker 4: does literally everything. When you draw up what an X
Speaker 4: receiver is, like, you kind of think of, oh, Mike Evans,
Speaker 4: maybe even younger Mike. Get it, like that's what you
Speaker 4: would want. Who can literally do everything after the catch
Speaker 4: at the catch point right, can run routes as physical,
Speaker 4: red zone, short long, everything that is Nico Collins he
Speaker 4: is the guy by himself on one side, with the
Speaker 4: receivers on the other side. No Tink Dell, no problem.
Speaker 4: Stefan Diggs is a very nice second receiver. He goes
Speaker 4: five for sixty nine and it runs in for a touchdown.
Speaker 4: But this guy is freaking awesome. Kevin, you are awesome
Speaker 4: as well.
Speaker 22: Appreciate Can I just throw a stat on that that
Speaker 22: doubles down on what you were saying really before we go?
Speaker 22: So he totaled one hundred and fifteen of his one
Speaker 22: to fifty one from next gen stats. We're on targets
Speaker 22: of over ten yards. So he's just he's not doing
Speaker 22: these bubble screens, right, little dink duncan getting callow yards.
Speaker 21: He's doing work. He's doing work.
Speaker 4: He's great hands and you can connect those great hands
Speaker 4: to at least two of their victories, if not all
Speaker 4: three where he was the difference in the game. Awesome
Speaker 4: stuff from him and Stroud ends up with three forty
Speaker 4: five in a touchdown, and yeah, they are leading the
Speaker 4: AFC South at three and one. Kevin Patrick always leads
Speaker 4: the way when he is on the show. Looking forward
Speaker 4: to having you on again. We will wrap up the
Speaker 4: show with the Little Sunday Night Football to Baltimore.
Speaker 15: Can Lamar starts to the pistol formation with Derrick Henry
Speaker 15: behind him.
Speaker 2: Jackson stands five yards deep. He'll give it to Henry
Speaker 2: right side, pig hole, Henry the fop the hole.
Speaker 15: He's going leg right, Tony, the kids in the pill bowling,
Speaker 15: Tony Coty.
Speaker 2: He go big cool Tony com part poo woo, go all.
Speaker 3: The way touchdown right him and this house is going
Speaker 3: wield right out of the gates.
Speaker 2: Eighty seven yard touchdown.
Speaker 5: Listen to this w B A L.
Speaker 4: Jerry Sandusky on the call, And that was Rod Woodson
Speaker 4: saying he gon.
Speaker 5: Derrick Henry twenty four carries one hundred.
Speaker 4: And ninety nine yards on the ground, two touchdowns on
Speaker 4: the day, including one receiving. They left them in the
Speaker 4: game at the end to try to get over two hundred.
Speaker 4: John Harbaugh loves stuff like that. He just couldn't get.
Speaker 4: Everything else went right for the Ravens on a night
Speaker 4: where they win thirty five to ten, humbling the Buffalo Bills,
Speaker 4: who are at three and one, Ravens dig out of
Speaker 4: their zero and two hole. They are two and two
Speaker 4: on the season. Lamar adds fifty four on the ground
Speaker 4: with a touchdown. Was very efficient passing the ball. Nick Shook,
Speaker 4: Justice Hill gets seventy eight yards receiving when they brought
Speaker 4: Nick Derrick Henry to Baltimore. The last two weeks are
Speaker 4: exactly what they imagine Nick Shook, This Baltimore Ravens offense
Speaker 4: and their ground game are are.
Speaker 5: They're just scary right now.
Speaker 8: Gee, you what a surprise the last two games they've won.
Speaker 8: It's exactly what we what we thought was gonna happen
Speaker 8: in the offseason, and it took a couple of weeks,
Speaker 8: but they finally figured it out and they looked like
Speaker 8: a machine. And I made the joke last week that
Speaker 8: I know Greg Roman was coaching for the Chargers because
Speaker 8: I saw him on TV, But I thought that he
Speaker 8: was coaching the Ravens again because they're just a dominant
Speaker 8: ground team again. They were good last year on the ground.
Speaker 8: They are way better on the ground this time around.
Speaker 8: When they get Derrick Henry out loose in the open field,
Speaker 8: he don't have to be the open field, can run
Speaker 8: guys over, it doesn't matter. But that mixed with Lamar
Speaker 8: Justice Hills a little scatback change of pays catch some passes.
Speaker 8: It's tough offense to stop. And I know it's only
Speaker 8: week four, but people are probably looking at the Ravens
Speaker 8: right now and thanking God, how are we gonna defend that?
Speaker 8: Especially late in the year.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: The trademark of Ravens teams, which I really respect their
Speaker 4: organization more than any other, is throughout the course of
Speaker 4: the season, they continue to add elements.
Speaker 5: They figure out what they can do, what they can't do.
Speaker 4: Their offensive line has had some issues the last couple
Speaker 4: of weeks really to start the season that they're missing
Speaker 4: one of their starting guards. Tonight, they have Rose and
Speaker 4: Garden out there at a right tackle. They moved the
Speaker 4: right tackle to guard. You have Patrick Ricard out there,
Speaker 4: and they figured out, okay, what works what doesn't. They've
Speaker 4: really almost created two different rushing attacks. You have the
Speaker 4: shotgun rushing attack, which has Justice Hill more than not,
Speaker 4: and he had a couple effective, you know, one effective
Speaker 4: run tonight, but ends up getting a lot of big
Speaker 4: gains as a receiver. They really had a touchdown drive,
Speaker 4: their third touchdown drive which was keyed by multiple Justice
Speaker 4: Hill catches a fifteen yarder on third and fourteen, a
Speaker 4: nineteen yard touchdown catch. But otherwise you got Derek Henry
Speaker 4: back there, and it's mostly running out of the pistol
Speaker 4: and out of under center, and the pistol formation is
Speaker 4: where they got the touchdown out of. And Jordan rod Rigg,
Speaker 4: she talked about it on our podcast. A lot more
Speaker 4: offenses are going to be using the pistol because it's
Speaker 4: more flexible of how you.
Speaker 5: Want to run out of it.
Speaker 4: And Henry hit that big touchdown out of the pistol,
Speaker 4: but also had many more successful runs out of the
Speaker 4: pistol formation tonight. It was over fifty percent success, right,
Speaker 4: So it wasn't all just about Boom or bus with
Speaker 4: one big run.
Speaker 5: He had a lot of good chunk runs.
Speaker 4: They're figuring out the under center stuff like that's been
Speaker 4: okay sometimes it hasn't. Otherwise we know what Lamar Jackson
Speaker 4: can do, which is not even require his wide receivers
Speaker 4: in a game where they absolutely dominate offensively. They had
Speaker 4: that long throw to Likely and he's a tight end
Speaker 4: of course, and like Zay Flowers and Rashad Bateman almost
Speaker 4: got a touchdown like they're barely involved. Bateman has one catch,
Speaker 4: Aguilar two for ten Flowers one for ten, and yet
Speaker 4: it was one of the most efficient offensive games of
Speaker 4: the year. You really felt like the Bills defense, which
Speaker 4: had been playing well, missed Milano and Tron Johnson and
Speaker 4: Terrell Bernard. And that's three of their best players and
Speaker 4: they should have two of them back pretty soon. Milana
Speaker 4: won't be back anytime soon, so that's good news for them.
Speaker 4: But man, this Ravens offense. Okay, now they've added elements.
Speaker 4: They figured out how they're gonna marry the Derek Henry
Speaker 4: running game with the rest of their offense where Lamar
Speaker 4: likes to throw.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and the personnel losses that the Bills are dealing
Speaker 8: with are exactly why it was still hard to defend them,
Speaker 8: because you're gonna see other offenses run more of the pistol,
Speaker 8: which wore a hardest. Somebody who can think back to
Speaker 8: the days of the Nevada wolf Pack and Alan Kaepernick
Speaker 8: and the pistol offense and college football now that it's
Speaker 8: prevalent in the NFL, but this is going to be
Speaker 8: the team that does it the best because of who
Speaker 8: they have back there, because they have Henry as a
Speaker 8: hammer who's also liable to break off a big play
Speaker 8: at any moment because they have Lamar who's so hard
Speaker 8: to predict and defend and can also throw out of
Speaker 8: that formation and also beat you around the edge, and
Speaker 8: the way to counter that is to be stout up front.
Speaker 8: But really it's all about your linebackers, and missing those
Speaker 8: guys in that defense made a huge difference for them,
Speaker 8: which then in turn makes the Ravens offensive line look
Speaker 8: that much better when they get to second level and
Speaker 8: they're able to get to guys that are replacing those
Speaker 8: usual starters for the Bills. So not going to be
Speaker 8: as lopside I think on a week to week basis,
Speaker 8: but this is gonna be one of the hardest teams
Speaker 8: to defend out of that formation, specifically because they can
Speaker 8: go in so many different directions and it all starts
Speaker 8: with Lamar Jackson and right after him it's Derrick.
Speaker 5: Henry, right.
Speaker 4: So the Lamar's rushing touchdown was such a cool play
Speaker 4: where like the.
Speaker 5: Line's going one way and the guards are going the other.
Speaker 8: And two guys going out runs just like so.
Speaker 4: Much much for defenses to deal with. You want to
Speaker 4: settle down all these blitz packages people are sending your
Speaker 4: way and the Bills are not a heavy blitz team anyways,
Speaker 4: but this is what you do. And yeah, I mentioned
Speaker 4: they had twenty two plays under center nine out a pistol.
Speaker 4: That's out of fifty four place, so way over fifty
Speaker 4: percent the pistol plays seventy eight percent success rate, had
Speaker 4: two touchdowns out of it, not just the Henry play,
Speaker 4: just really cool stuff out of them, and they're using
Speaker 4: heavy formations. I look, they they barely ever had three
Speaker 4: receivers on the field tonight, so it's it's too full.
Speaker 4: But you know, it's Ricard and running back almost you know,
Speaker 4: two thirds of the play, and it's two tight ends
Speaker 4: on a lot of the plays. You know, some plays
Speaker 4: they don't have any receivers on the field, but like
Speaker 4: it's crazy that a lot of these plays.
Speaker 5: They have one receiver on the field.
Speaker 4: And yeah, they even went heavy, and I want to
Speaker 4: give their defense some love. Josh Allen was pressured on
Speaker 4: fifteen of his thirty four dropbacks. I don't think he
Speaker 4: was like terrible tonight. He ends up sixteen four twenty nine,
Speaker 4: one hundred and eighty yards. There was just like a
Speaker 4: couple nice plays by the Ravens that got them off
Speaker 4: the field one time. McDermott didn't decide to go for
Speaker 4: it on a fourth and one. It was at his
Speaker 4: own thirty nine, but they were already down fourteen three
Speaker 4: at the time.
Speaker 5: But it's because they were giving up some penetration.
Speaker 4: Travis Jones had some plays, David Ajabo had to play,
Speaker 4: and yeah, Josh Allen took some sacks. He's not used
Speaker 4: to taking a lot of sacks, got hit quite a bit,
Speaker 4: So a really encouraging game by the Ravens defense too.
Speaker 8: Yeah, the penetration was overwhelming the second half because what
Speaker 8: essentially happened for the Bills in the final two quarters
Speaker 8: was Josh Allen got away from the rush one time
Speaker 8: and made a heroic throw down the sideline for a
Speaker 8: long completion, and that was it. Every other time that
Speaker 8: they faced a third down where they knew he had
Speaker 8: to throw, they would just send the house and a
Speaker 8: number of different guys are getting pressure. At one point
Speaker 8: of offay Olway got there and forced him out to
Speaker 8: the right and you just see Josh surrounded by like
Speaker 8: three Ravens who are closing in on him and he's
Speaker 8: trying to stiff arm one away and two more come
Speaker 8: in to clean it up and he's just got nowhere
Speaker 8: to go and you could see the frustration on him
Speaker 8: on the sideline. They try to run a trick play
Speaker 8: to keep the Ravens off balance, didn't work out, turns
Speaker 8: out into a fumble. Josh gets blasted, like everything just
Speaker 8: snowballed into a nightmarage evening for them. And you know what,
Speaker 8: Greg gets crazy because you look at the Bills where
Speaker 8: they were a week ago. We did this on Monday night,
Speaker 8: they dominate the Jaguars to three and zero. We're talking
Speaker 8: about how Josh is the best player in the league,
Speaker 8: but you said something that totally came to fruition tonight.
Speaker 8: They're gonna get tested and they're probably gonna lose before long,
Speaker 8: and it's probably coming up this week, and we saw
Speaker 8: it play out exactly as you thought it would.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I had had the Ravens winning this game. Never
Speaker 4: you know, it was a coin flip and never would
Speaker 4: have thought it would have been like this. But the
Speaker 4: Bills have won this year by protecting Alan well didn't
Speaker 4: play as well tonight and really being able to control
Speaker 4: the game on the ground.
Speaker 5: It's not like they ran the ball poorly.
Speaker 4: They just had a couple of short yardage ones early
Speaker 4: and their defense really lost them the game. The matchup
Speaker 4: that was really the key for me was the Ravens
Speaker 4: offense in this running game, which is one of the
Speaker 4: stories of this young NFL season. Took a game or
Speaker 4: two to really get going, but Derrick Henry very cool
Speaker 4: to see him just in the open field and busting tackles,
Speaker 4: making people miss, like swerving and really looking young. And
Speaker 4: it really reminds me of those players that get in
Speaker 4: the second spot, and that's kind of what puts their
Speaker 4: Hall of Fame candidacy over the top. I think of
Speaker 4: Kurt Warner in Arizona, and if Derrick Henry even has
Speaker 4: this like one magical year here in Baltimore, even if
Speaker 4: it was just that one and who knows like that,
Speaker 4: that could be enough that that puts him over the top.
Speaker 4: And it's just cool seeing a couple of the greatest
Speaker 4: players in our game, Lamar Jackson and Derrick Henry joining forces.
Speaker 4: The rest of the league is gonna have to deal
Speaker 4: with that and the Bills. They'll be back. They'll be fine.
Speaker 4: It's three and one. They were a little light and
Speaker 4: tough matchup for them. I heard John Harbass say after
Speaker 4: the game when he shook hands with mcdermy's like hope
Speaker 4: we see again, and I was thinking, like, yeah, I'll
Speaker 4: bet you hope you see him again, Like that would
Speaker 4: be better than seeing the Chiefs again, Like you feel
Speaker 4: like you can handle this team?
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean I'd rather run into the team I
Speaker 8: just obliterated at home on Sunday Night football than the
Speaker 8: team I can't get past.
Speaker 19: Ye.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, It's all about the tone of voice, he said
Speaker 4: in a nice tone of voice. If he had said
Speaker 4: in a very smarmy, sarcastic tone of voice, that would
Speaker 4: have been like, I hope we do see you again
Speaker 4: in the playoffs. We'll see long, long, long way to go.
Speaker 4: Fun week for fun game in Baltimore. Not as close
Speaker 4: as we wanted, but good enough. We will be back.
Speaker 5: Shook. Nick at Night continues.
Speaker 4: It's been renewed for a fourth week here Monday Night football.
Speaker 4: We got the doubleheader Seahawks against the Lions. That's capping
Speaker 4: the night. We got the Titans and the Dolphins. Is
Speaker 4: kind of the undercart. It's a very it's a boxing feel.
Speaker 4: You got the warm up and you got the big show.
Speaker 4: It'll be a lot of fun. Join Nick and I
Speaker 4: check that out after Monday Night football. We'll see you then.
Speaker 4: If the Ravens are running, you know football is back.