1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: Why from our nation. All talk here in Washington, d 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: C turns to President elect Joe Biden's administration. Speaker Pelosi 3 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: has beat the political odds and reclaimed the galvil. We're 4 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 1: talking right now about jockeying amongst Republicans. Bloomberg Sound On, 5 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: the insiders, the influencers, the inside. Biden has promised again 6 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: and again it he will unite the country. The only 7 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: way things happened if Republicans Democrats work together Becaunfortunately for 8 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: President elect Biden, this is a time when he's getting 9 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: the most important he's going to get in the Democratic Party. 10 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:36,880 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg Sound On with Levin Shirley on Bloomberg Radio. 11 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 1: Tryal watch for President Donald J. Trump. When will the 12 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 1: impeachment trial begin in the Senate. I'm going to interview 13 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: Congresswoman Nancy Mace, a Republican from South Carolina who voted 14 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 1: against impeaching President Trump while also saying that he bears responsibility. 15 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: Don't miss that interview this hour plus, we're also going 16 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 1: to talk about President elect Joe Biden. He has a 17 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: one point nine trillion dollar economic stimulus plan. What's inside 18 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:10,040 Speaker 1: of it? I'm Kevin Surley, Chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg 19 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:12,320 Speaker 1: Television and for Bloomberg Radio. We begin tonight with the 20 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: big story, and it is President elect Joe Biden's one 21 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 1: point nine trillion dollar economic stimulus plan. Let's dive into 22 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:25,039 Speaker 1: the Bloomberg terminal and just get right to the top 23 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 1: line of view. President Elect Joe Biden will seek to 24 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: increase the federal minimum wage to fifteen dollars an hour 25 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: as part of his one point nine trillion dollar pandemic 26 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: Relief bill, a move that could complicate its passage through 27 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: the closely divided U. S. Senate. Meanwhile, he is also 28 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 1: calling for there to be three hundred and fifty billion 29 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: dollars in state aid and one hundred and sixty billion 30 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:55,559 Speaker 1: dollar for vaccines and more testing. Again, President Elect Joe 31 00:01:55,560 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: Biden's one point nine trillion dollar pandemic relief package includes 32 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: lifting the minimum wage to fifteen dollars an hour and 33 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: three hundred and fifty billion dollars in state aid, one 34 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 1: hundred and sixty billion dollars four vaccines. I'm joined by 35 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: my colleague Laura Davison, Bloomberg Tax and Congress reporter. Laura 36 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 1: breakdown the details bill. This is basically twice the size 37 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 1: of that stimulus package we saw pass in December. And 38 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: remember this is Biden's opening bid to the Congress. They 39 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 1: need Republicans and Democrats to pass this. So some of 40 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 1: those things, you know that's three fifty dollars billion in 41 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 1: in state aid, fifteen dollar minimum wage, those are things 42 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: that were likely to see Republicans chip away at as 43 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: they come to a final agreement here. Um. Some other 44 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:40,239 Speaker 1: things that are that are really big in this uh, 45 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: those two thousand dollar checks. Basically what Democrats what bidness 46 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: proposing here is they said, look, we got six hundred 47 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 1: and last bill, you'll get fourteen hundred this time. Um. 48 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 1: They're also looking at expanding unemployment benefits so that December stimulus, 49 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:56,639 Speaker 1: they'll put them through mid March. They're calling to put 50 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:59,239 Speaker 1: that through the end of September so people have a 51 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: little bit more shan there, um as unemployment remains low. Laura, Laura, 52 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 1: would there be another stimulus check for families? Yeah, yeah, 53 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: that would be that check. Uh, that could go out 54 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:14,239 Speaker 1: you know as soon as Congress would have passed this bill. 55 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: You know last time they got those payments out, Uh, 56 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:17,959 Speaker 1: you know when didn't just a couple of days of 57 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 1: President Trump signing that into law, they could do the 58 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 1: same this time. Um, you know, Biden administration is as 59 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 1: eyeing February or March for passage for this film. Laura, 60 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:29,279 Speaker 1: stay with us. I want to bring into this conversation 61 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: Jeannie Sean Zano, who is an Iona College professor and 62 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: a Bloomberg Politics contributor. She is also the author of 63 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: American Democracy and Crisis. Jeannie, you know, we're we're talking 64 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: with Laura Davison, our colleague, about what's in President Electual 65 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: Biden's plan. Coming up, We're going to check in with 66 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: Congresswoman Nancy Mace and Republicans like Congresswoman Mace are gonna 67 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: have a hard time voting to raise the minimum wage. 68 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 1: And you know, it's going to be a fascinating debate 69 00:03:55,920 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: that this country is going to have about the minimum wage. Yeah. Absolutely, 70 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: And I was fascinated when Laura said, you know, I 71 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: think the fifteen dollar minimum wage. Also she mentioned the 72 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: three fifty billion for state aid because of course, this 73 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: is something that just a few weeks ago, which seems 74 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: a long time ago now, the Republicans had been balking 75 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: at and that had held up passage of the last 76 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 1: bill um the amount of state aid. So, you know, 77 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: I think those two things are just the tip of 78 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: the iceberg. And Laura, I would love to ask you 79 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: who do you think Biden has to watch in terms 80 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 1: of moderate defectors? You know, I think you know, Joe 81 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: Manchin is at the top of the list, of course, 82 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 1: but are there other potential moderate Democrats that he could 83 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 1: lose on something this sort of ambitious? You know, there's 84 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: there's several to to watch your you know, anyone who's 85 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 1: been kind of big on the deficit here could be 86 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 1: an issuer or facing uh you know, tough reelections in 87 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: states like Whyo or uh, you know, elsewhere that this 88 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 1: is going to be an issue. The other thing to 89 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 1: to consider is that he also as negotiating with Republicans. 90 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 1: Really the issue is getting on uh you know ten Republicans, 91 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: is do you keep your progressives happy? You're Bernie Sanders, 92 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: you're Elizabeth Warren's if you're scaling back a lot of 93 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: these you know, the fifteen dollar minimum wage that's been 94 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,239 Speaker 1: a rallying cry for for Bernie Sanders for many years. 95 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: You know, are you able to keep them on board 96 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: or do they see this as their opportunity to finally 97 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 1: get some of these more progressive policies pulled together, and 98 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:18,280 Speaker 1: they decided to withhold their boat, and that makes it 99 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:20,919 Speaker 1: a super tricky balancing act for Biden going forward. It 100 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:24,159 Speaker 1: was so difficult to see how long it took for 101 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: lawmakers to get the last round of economic stimulus passed 102 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:30,839 Speaker 1: across the finish line. Laura Davison just making a brilliant 103 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 1: point in terms of the Republicans who are concerned about 104 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: the uh national debt. We've got sound on the economy 105 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: earlier today from Fed Chairman j Powell and Federal Reserve 106 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: Chairman Jerome Powell said that he was optimistic about the 107 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 1: U S economy over the next couple of years when 108 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:51,479 Speaker 1: he spoke at Princeton University earlier, but he and his 109 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:54,479 Speaker 1: colleagues said that they still believe that they're going to 110 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 1: have to continue to keep interest rates near zero at 111 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 1: least through three. We've got sound on this here. It 112 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 1: is we're no longer going to um to raise interest 113 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: rates just because um. For example, if unemployment were to 114 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 1: be well below again well below our current estimates of 115 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: the natural rate of unemployment, that wouldn't be a reason 116 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 1: to raise interest rates unless we see troubling inflation or 117 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: other imbalances. Adam Goodman's also with us. He is a 118 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 1: Republican media strategist, columnist, and partner at Ballard Partners in Washington, 119 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 1: d C. Adam, I mean, will folks in your party 120 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 1: be able to vote on a one point nine trillion 121 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 1: dollar stimulus or is this just a no way, no 122 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: how vote? Well, I do think there's going to be 123 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: a vote that will be supported by Republicans as well 124 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:52,480 Speaker 1: as Democrats on statements. But it's interesting. Genie's question was 125 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,799 Speaker 1: point on about you know which which ones to watch 126 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 1: basically that may hold the balance of power in terms 127 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:01,840 Speaker 1: of whether this moves forward or not. But look at 128 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: it this way. There are there are two different kinds 129 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: of propositions in Congress. One is what I call gestures 130 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 1: and gambits, which is throw something out there and show 131 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: where your heart is, not really expecting that that's going 132 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 1: to be the final play, or uh, you know, things 133 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: that really are priorities to pass as is. So the 134 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: fifteen dollar minimum wage, that to me is a is 135 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 1: a gesture in a gambit in terms of where Democrats 136 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 1: would like to move. But I don't think there's a 137 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: realistic chance if they want to have Republicans joining this 138 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: package on simmas that that itself is gonna hold. Uh 139 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 1: what are as opposed to the two thousand dollars which 140 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: obviously even uh Donald Trump was trying to push in 141 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 1: the last days of the last timbus. So, um, I 142 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: think we're gonna have a stimulus package. I think it's 143 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: gonna it's gonna be more directed, uh to individuals that 144 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 1: have been The last one was, which is really good 145 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 1: and important news. But the minimum wage and other things, 146 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: I think those are opening arguments about where philosophically, as 147 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 1: you know, the Democrats in particular in the House and 148 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 1: Senate would like America to move, but I don't think 149 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 1: bottom mind they expect passage. Yeah, And it's it's so 150 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 1: fascinating out because listening to you, it's a reminder, I 151 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: think to all of us that unlike the current president, 152 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 1: Joe Biden knows Congress, he knows the Senate. So when 153 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: you're talking about, you know, this opening gambit, this trial balloon, 154 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 1: you know, you know, pushing out what he would hope 155 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: to get, but not what he actually may expect or 156 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 1: they expect to get. I think We're in for sort 157 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:37,679 Speaker 1: of a fascinating right in terms of the work that Kevin, 158 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 1: you and Laura do um covering Congress, because you know, 159 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: this is a president who knows this institution and he 160 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: knows how this is done. He was there during the 161 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: two thousand and eight two tho nine stimulus. This is 162 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: fifty bigger by I guess some estimations. So I think 163 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: it's gonna be fascinating to see how this plays out well. 164 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: And the magic number, folks, if you're playing at home, 165 00:08:56,679 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 1: it's ten republic Democrats will need at least end Republican 166 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: votes in the Senate in order to get the bill through. Now, 167 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 1: Laura Davison, I mean, let's dive into the weeds here. 168 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:10,679 Speaker 1: If you anytime you minimum wage in with an economic 169 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 1: stimulus bill, it's going to have to go through what's 170 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: known as budget reconciliation, where you need a majority. So 171 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: is President elect Biden even able, Laura, to get this 172 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 1: one point nine trillion dollar bill through at once? Or 173 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:29,319 Speaker 1: is the minimum wage element of it going to be 174 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: a bargaining chip. So if he's able to get ten Republicans, 175 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:35,439 Speaker 1: if he has sixty votes in the Senate, he doesn't 176 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 1: have to use budget reconciliation, and that means he can 177 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 1: move everything altogether. The logistics get a lot are a 178 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: lot less complicated. If he doesn't have those sixty votes 179 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 1: and he decides to do this just with Democrats, that's 180 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: when it becomes a problem. Some of the stuff in here, 181 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: you know, tax credit, stimulus checks, those can be moved 182 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: through budget reconciliation. But there's a lot of concerning that. 183 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: Some of the other items money for schools, things related 184 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 1: to to testing program and other policy issues, it would 185 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 1: be difficult to move that through budget reconciliation. Also, you know, 186 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 1: the fifteen dollar minimum wage as well. So that's why 187 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: the administration has said that they want to use uh, 188 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 1: you know, do it make it a bipartisan bill, move 189 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 1: it that way versus having to deal with all of 190 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 1: the headaches that come with budget reconciliation. Alright, So for 191 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: everyone who is in their car and saying what I 192 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: wasn't paying attention to Schoolhouse Rock, Laura Davison quickly and 193 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 1: briefly and simply explain in our to our Embrace the 194 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:33,599 Speaker 1: Schoolhouse Rock Live audience, as we as what is budget reconciliation. 195 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 1: It is this fun little quirk in congress Land that 196 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 1: allows Congress to basically pass the Senate to pass a 197 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 1: bill with a simple majority versus that normal sixty vote 198 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 1: threshold they need. So that means that, you know, one 199 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: party could could pass a bill. They get to do 200 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 1: it once a year, but it has to relate strictly 201 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 1: to budget spending revenues, so it's it's not a it's 202 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 1: not a catchall. Let's say it's a little loophole, but 203 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 1: there are some limits to it. The things you learned, 204 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 1: Laura Davison, thank you so much for all of your 205 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: excellent reporting, my friend this past week, and of course 206 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:08,559 Speaker 1: on an important economic day as well. Coming up, we're 207 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 1: gonna check in with the latest on the impeachment trial 208 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 1: and what's going on in Washington, d C. The Panel's 209 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 1: gonna stay with me, Jeannie, you know, and Adam Goodman. 210 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 1: Nobody better than them. I'm Kevin Cerelli, Chief Washington correspondent 211 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 1: for Bloomberg Television and for Bloomberg Radio. Fun fact, I 212 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:26,560 Speaker 1: was in the eighth grade school play Schoolhouse Rock Live. 213 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg, This is Bloomberg. Sound On with Kevin 214 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:58,839 Speaker 1: Surreley on Bloomberg Radio. I'm Kevin Cerelei, Chief Washington correspondent 215 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 1: for Bloomberg Television and then for Bloomberg Radio, joined by 216 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: Professor Gene Professor Genie shan Zano, Bloomberg Politics contributor, author 217 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: of the new book that just arrived at my place yesterday, Jennie, 218 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: American Democracy in Crisis, and I cannot wait to read 219 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 1: it this weekend and talk about it with you over 220 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: the next couple of weeks once I get through with it. UM, 221 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 1: very excited. Congratulations on the new book, Jennie, and I 222 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 1: you know, I'm just I'm still reeling by what I 223 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 1: just learned about Kevin. What did you learn? I'm a 224 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 1: man of many layers. Just kidding, I'm not that dense. 225 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 1: Go ahead, you start in Schoolhouse Rocks as a child, 226 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 1: and I'm just waiting and waiting if at some point 227 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 1: you will regale us with some songs from just a Bill. 228 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 1: I will. I will spare everyone with with this, but 229 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:51,680 Speaker 1: I will tell you A fun fact about Schoolhouse Rock 230 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 1: is that it was created by David McCall, who was 231 00:12:55,320 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 1: an executive at the advertising firm McCaffrey and McCall, and 232 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 1: he noticed that his has yet a kid who couldn't 233 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: remember anything about multiplication, and but he knew all the 234 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: words the Rolling Stones. So he created this show it 235 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 1: to sell civics and education to uh two American kids 236 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: and Jennie as a professor. I wonder, you know, here 237 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: we are at a time in which, you know, there's 238 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 1: twenty thousand troops in Washington, d C. There's such a 239 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: breakdown in civil discourse. Everyone would agree on that. You 240 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 1: almost wonder if it's time to relook at how civics 241 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 1: is taught in America. Absolutely, and he certainly is a 242 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 1: man after my own heart. We still play those for students, 243 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 1: you know, because they really it is meaningful to all 244 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 1: of them. But no, absolutely, we have to do a 245 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 1: much better job. A lot of this has to do 246 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 1: with funding. A lot of this has to do with, 247 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 1: you know, how teachers are compensated, how they are trained, 248 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: the many many things they're asked to do in the 249 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 1: classroom besides the content of what they're teaching. So there's 250 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 1: a whole host of things that goes into it. But 251 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: we and a vacation have to do better. We in 252 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:03,959 Speaker 1: the media have to do better in terms of having 253 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 1: constructive conversations about these things. I'm not going to let 254 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 1: Adam Goodman, a Republican strategist, media strategist and columnists and 255 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 1: partner at Ballard Partners in Washington, even get to dig 256 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 1: into whether or not there's videotape of me and on 257 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 1: the Schoolhouse Rock Live stage as an eleven year old 258 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: singing conjunction Junction, Adam. So I'm going to move on 259 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 1: back to the big story, which is, of course, whether 260 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 1: or not Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell is going to 261 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: hold a uh An impeachment trial in the Senate, and 262 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 1: it's looking like that will not happen until after after 263 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 1: President elect Joe Biden is sworn in. I gleaned from 264 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 1: a source today that now openly being discussed in Republican 265 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 1: circles is whether or not that trial has to start 266 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 1: uh right after the inauguration, or whether or not it 267 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: could wait a month two months until the spring, to 268 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 1: allow there to be more distance from an incredibly tense 269 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 1: time in American politics. But we've got sounds on this 270 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 1: from Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, who spoke earlier 271 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 1: today as armed National Guard troops from the capital after 272 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: the House voted yesterday two hundred and thirty two to 273 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 1: one and nine to impeach President Trump. Here, she is 274 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: demonstrated that no one is above the law, not even 275 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 1: the president of the United States. Meanwhile, President Trump releasing 276 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 1: his second video condemning the violence in last week's breach 277 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 1: of the Capitol Building, while also saying that he should 278 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: not have been impeached. We've got sound on that roll 279 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 1: the tape. Now. I am asking everyone who has ever 280 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 1: believed in our agenda to be thinking of ways to 281 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: ease tensions, calm tempers, and help to promote peace in 282 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 1: our country. Adam Goodman, as someone who is very familiar 283 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 1: with the currents of conservatism and where the party is, 284 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 1: what should what do you think the vacuum and party 285 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: leadership right now will move. Will they be able to 286 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: unify around any type of strategy for an impeachment trial 287 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: or is it every vote in the Senate for themselves? Well? Uh, 288 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: this is one of those situations where you really wish 289 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: that leaders would emerge and would just do the right thing, Stott, 290 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 1: instead of playing the partisan card or you know, reveling 291 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 1: in rhetoric that has as its bottom line in flaming. Uh. 292 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: One part of America and trying to reinforce the base 293 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 1: in another which you really wanted people to step up. 294 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 1: What what they're talking about right now in terms of 295 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 1: a trial is a trial that might begin, some of 296 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: the speculator, might begin on inauguration day. Look, the one 297 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: thing that President leg Biden probably wishes would go away 298 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: is talking like that. And by the way, I want 299 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: to compliment the President elect. I think his his UH 300 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 1: statements over the last week in particular have been measured. 301 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: They've been presidential. Uh. They've really played to our better instincts. 302 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:05,639 Speaker 1: I don't feel the same about the Speaker of the 303 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 1: House or the incoming majority leader of the Senate. Do 304 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: you think there's still some kind of game to be 305 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 1: want here by vindictive VOLLI Uh, I don't see that. 306 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 1: And the war time that's spent Kevin arguing the past, 307 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:24,719 Speaker 1: which is going to soon be President Donald Trump in 308 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:27,640 Speaker 1: favor or at the or at the expense of UH 309 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 1: pushing for the president. Where you have Joe Biden now 310 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 1: trying to get out of the box quickly. You know, 311 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 1: you talk about the hundred days, how important the first 312 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 1: one hundred days are, and laying out your agenda, getting 313 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: something big or big things happening. All those days can 314 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:44,959 Speaker 1: be lost by some kind of return to trying to 315 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:48,199 Speaker 1: retry a case it's already been tried and settled in 316 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 1: the minds of Americans one way or the other. I'm 317 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:55,679 Speaker 1: hoping and praying that we don't do that, that we 318 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: move forward, that there isn't some drawn out trial, that 319 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 1: there is no trial. They just think the suggestion it 320 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: should be, um, you know, a centure, perhaps measure has 321 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 1: voted on that's appropriate, and that to me says America 322 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 1: is ready to move forward. As opposed, we're stuck in 323 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 1: the reruns of some you know, law and order show. 324 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 1: It doesn't seem to want to stop. All right, we're 325 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:20,639 Speaker 1: gonna have to leave it there. Panel's gonna stay with me. 326 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:23,679 Speaker 1: Coming up next, we're gonna be joined. Oh do you 327 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 1: hear what they did? Genie? Do you hear that I 328 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 1: lost my train of thought? I'm speechless, Christine Arrato or 329 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:37,440 Speaker 1: ep I'm speechiless. Coming up Congress of a Nancy base 330 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 1: of Republican from South Carolina. This is Bloomberger pan prey 331 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: that I will, but you do, Kevin SURRELLI and we 332 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 1: are following multiple developments this evening, including the unveil of 333 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 1: President electro Biden's one point nine trillion dollar economic stimulus bill, 334 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 1: But Washington, d C. Eight totally different city tonight, as 335 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:06,440 Speaker 1: twenty thou troops have arrived in Washington, d C. To 336 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 1: protect the nation's capital ahead of the inauguration next week. 337 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,920 Speaker 1: I'm joined by Congresswoman Nancy Mais. She is a Republican 338 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 1: from South Carolina's first congressional district. Congresswoman, thank you so 339 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: much for making the time for our program. What is 340 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 1: it like to be an elected official this week in 341 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:27,399 Speaker 1: Washington with with such a heavy troop presence and the 342 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 1: city looking entirely differently than it did just a week ago. 343 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 1: It's unreal. In fact, I never ever thought I would see. 344 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 1: I've never seen anything like it, and the heightened awareness 345 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 1: that we all have. Um, there are many members of 346 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 1: Congress that have received threats over the last few days 347 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 1: and weeks, and we've had threats to our capital. Obviously, 348 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 1: the violence of last week where five people died. Um, 349 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:52,919 Speaker 1: I've never seen anything like it, and I hope to 350 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 1: never see anything like the destruction we saw him the 351 00:19:55,440 --> 00:20:00,879 Speaker 1: six ever. Again, do you feel, Congresswoman, that the nation's 352 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 1: capital and state capitals around the country are protected, and 353 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 1: and what have you been assured and what can be 354 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:12,879 Speaker 1: done right? Well, certainly the US capital is more projected 355 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 1: today than it ever has been. Very sadly, it's heartbreaking 356 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:19,919 Speaker 1: for me to see twenty troops they're trying to protect 357 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 1: our capital. There are threats on our capital, as I 358 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:26,160 Speaker 1: am sure that there are threats on other state capitals 359 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:29,680 Speaker 1: across the country. It's just it's uh. I never thought 360 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 1: I would see anything like it. It's heartbreaking to see 361 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: this is where we are in our country. But the 362 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 1: divisiveness that's been going on, and last Wednesday, the sixth, 363 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:41,399 Speaker 1: was not the first time we've seen violence this year. 364 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 1: We've seen it all across the country. And I gave 365 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 1: my first speech on the floor yesterday and pleading with 366 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: my colleagues, both on both sides of the Republicans and Democrats, 367 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:54,160 Speaker 1: to take a deep breath, take a step back, and 368 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 1: one acknowledge that we have a problem with divisiveness of 369 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 1: this country, we have a problem with rhetoric, Recognize we 370 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:04,400 Speaker 1: have a problem, and then number two take responsibility for 371 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 1: what's transpired over the last few months and last week 372 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 1: on the six especially, I've been holding my my party accountable, 373 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 1: holding the president accountable very strongly over the last ten days, 374 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:17,439 Speaker 1: and then third, stop being part of the problem and 375 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: start being part of the solution. We have real challenges 376 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 1: in this country on top of COVID, our economy, getting 377 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:26,919 Speaker 1: people back to work, and our kids back to school. Um, 378 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 1: we need to be able to focus on those issues 379 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 1: so we can recover from this pandemic, so people can 380 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 1: get back to work, and we can educate our children. 381 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 1: But instead we've been distracted by the violence that's hit 382 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 1: our nation's capital. And it's uh, it's so disheartening to see. 383 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 1: And I want to be part of the solution, and 384 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 1: that part of the problem. Congressmen, Mace, you voted against 385 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 1: impeaching President Trump, but you also have been incredibly critical 386 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:52,920 Speaker 1: of President Trump and saying that he bears responsibility. What 387 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 1: should the consequences be? What? But what should the consequences 388 00:21:56,320 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 1: be for his actions? Yeah? Well, my issue with impeachment 389 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 1: is number one, the House has every right to impeach 390 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:04,160 Speaker 1: the President of the United States, and I do hold 391 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 1: him accountable and responsible for the events that transpired on 392 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 1: the sixth of January. But the problem with the impeachment 393 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,879 Speaker 1: that was done this week is how political it was? 394 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: It throughout due process, And no matter how guilty you 395 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,880 Speaker 1: think someone is, if we set the precedent that there 396 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 1: is no due process, that's a terrible precedent precedent to 397 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 1: set in a country that respects the rule of law 398 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 1: and so um. And secondly, impeachent wanting to get to 399 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 1: the U. S. Senate until the nineteenth of January, bides 400 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 1: being sworn in on the twentie. So what have we 401 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 1: accomplished here? There was a bipartisan, bi cameral effort to 402 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 1: censure the president, to hold him accountable, potentially to prohibit 403 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:43,360 Speaker 1: him from the resolutions that I read prohibit him from 404 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 1: holding office again, and that was supported by Republicans and 405 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 1: Democrats in both chambers. But Speaker Pelosi wouldn't have any 406 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:52,399 Speaker 1: of it. She wouldn't bring it up to the floor 407 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 1: for debate or a vote or anything. And so that 408 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 1: to me was also telling that impeachment was more political 409 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 1: than pract goal. And there was another option on the 410 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:05,439 Speaker 1: table and it was just entirely ignored. So what should 411 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 1: the consequence be now that he has been impeached, that 412 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 1: the Senate is likely going to take it up. What 413 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:14,160 Speaker 1: do you hope happens in the in the judicial process. 414 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: Congresswoman Mace in the Senate, I know you're in the House, 415 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 1: but what do you what do you think the best 416 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 1: course of action should be? None? Well, regardless right now, 417 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:23,880 Speaker 1: I when the Senate does take it up, I hope 418 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 1: that matters are investigated to the fullest extent of the law. 419 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,159 Speaker 1: And I also not and not only is it the 420 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 1: President of the United States, but there are other members 421 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 1: of Congress and folks that spoke at the rally that 422 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,680 Speaker 1: had incited violence with their language over the last several 423 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 1: weeks since the election, I think everyone that was potentially 424 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 1: involved um and incited this riot should be investigated to 425 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:49,119 Speaker 1: the fullest extent of the law. That's very important, um 426 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 1: to this country, to our democracy. Congresswoman Nancy Mace's with us. 427 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 1: She's a Republican from South Carolina's first congressional district, newly 428 00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 1: elected into Congress. Imagine that starting a new job, and 429 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 1: this is the first time exactly she is the She 430 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 1: graduated magnum cum laude from the Citadel, the Military College 431 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,400 Speaker 1: of South Carolina, and of course she was the first 432 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:16,399 Speaker 1: female to graduate from that program. In the book that 433 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:20,679 Speaker 1: she chronicles. Her experience in has received widespread praise the 434 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,359 Speaker 1: company of men and woman at the Citadel. Genie's, you know, 435 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:27,880 Speaker 1: I mean, you hear this, this position coming from a congresswoman, 436 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 1: mace uh, you know, really making a new path in 437 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 1: terms of a Republican position. Jenie's you know, yeah, absolutely, 438 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 1: is such an honor to talk to your representative. I 439 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,680 Speaker 1: heard your remarks on the flooring congratulations about being here 440 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 1: sworn in the other day. Seems like a lifetime ago, 441 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:48,119 Speaker 1: I'm sure, but I wanted to just I wanted to 442 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,679 Speaker 1: to ask you as you look ahead and you know, 443 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 1: we're expecting soon to hear about at one point nine 444 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:57,159 Speaker 1: trillion dollar package from Joe Biden um being announced in 445 00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,679 Speaker 1: the next few minutes, the next couple of hours. Do 446 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 1: you think that your party can get to that kind 447 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: of agreement with the incoming president on something that big 448 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,360 Speaker 1: or what are your thoughts in terms of what you're 449 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 1: hearing about what he's going to propose tonight. This is 450 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:13,119 Speaker 1: the first I've heard of it, so I have not 451 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:14,880 Speaker 1: seen it. I just started to hear it trickle out 452 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 1: in the news. I will certainly take a look at 453 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 1: the text once the package is released by and large overall, 454 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 1: particularly since January six, it is incumbent upon the Republican 455 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 1: Party to work with the Biden administration as an act 456 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 1: of goodwill, to find ways in which we can work 457 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 1: together to move this country forward. We've got to have 458 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: a peaceful transition of power, and we need to ensure 459 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:40,160 Speaker 1: that Republicans and Democrats are working together. The American people 460 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 1: are counting on us. We have to do it today. Moreover, 461 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 1: but regards with regards to the new package, any new 462 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 1: package should be targeted really towards those who particularly needed 463 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 1: small businesses that have been shut down, helping with payrolls 464 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 1: that people who want to work and can work can 465 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: get back to work. Stimulus checks are another way that 466 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 1: we can help Americans who are out of work, um, 467 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 1: but we certainly shouldn't be doing it for Americans that 468 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,440 Speaker 1: haven't had been impacted negatively by COVID. So for example, 469 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 1: I mean, technically I would qualify for a stimulus kit check, 470 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 1: but my my earnings weren't affected by COVID. My earnings 471 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 1: were affected because I decided to run for Congress, right 472 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 1: the last thing. I mean, you know, that was my choice. 473 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 1: It wasn't you know, the pandemic. But but but those 474 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,440 Speaker 1: the last package had those making seventy five thousand dollars 475 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: a year getting a stimulus check regardless, particularly if they 476 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,159 Speaker 1: were not affected by COVID. I think we've got to 477 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 1: be very targeted and specific, because we don't. We don't 478 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 1: have the money right Our countries run out of money, 479 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 1: and our our debt and deficit are enormous right now. 480 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,160 Speaker 1: So I do support extending on employment benefits for those 481 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:42,920 Speaker 1: who are out of work through no fault of their own. 482 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 1: But the one thing is got to be careful of 483 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,880 Speaker 1: is that we don't continue to have their corners. Someone 484 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,159 Speaker 1: mays come back anytime. Thank you so much. I'm Kevin Surrey. 485 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg. You're listening to Bloomberg Sound On with 486 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:02,959 Speaker 1: Kevin Curreley on Boomberg Radio. I'm Kevin Curilli, Chief Faushton 487 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:07,360 Speaker 1: correspondent for Bloomberg Television and for Bloomberg Radio. Coming up tomorrow, 488 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:11,920 Speaker 1: Congressman Dwight Evans, Democrat from Pennsylvania, with me now. Professor 489 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:16,680 Speaker 1: Jenie Sonzo, Bloomberg Politics, contributor, author of the new book 490 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:21,399 Speaker 1: uh that Is American Democracy and Crisis. American Democracy and 491 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 1: Crisis is the new book, and I, like I said, 492 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 1: I can't wait to read it, and I will tell 493 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,440 Speaker 1: everybody once I get through it. And Adam Goodman, Republican 494 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 1: media strategist, columnist and partner at Ballard Partners in Washington. Adam, 495 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,440 Speaker 1: and you were listening to my and Genie's conversation with 496 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:39,120 Speaker 1: Congresswoman Mace. Uh, it's interesting the politics of her position, 497 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:44,680 Speaker 1: voting not for impeachment but still placing blame on President 498 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,360 Speaker 1: Trump and also getting in there that she doesn't think 499 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,440 Speaker 1: he should run again. Is that is that nuance gonna work? 500 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 1: I think it is. First of all, I want to 501 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 1: compliment uh, Nancy May's for you know, words of class 502 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 1: and grace, which we really need more of and from 503 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 1: both sides of the al. And maybe it takes more 504 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 1: freshmen bresly coming into the process that aren't influenced there 505 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,440 Speaker 1: jaded by the past, to really start to give you 506 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 1: a cover of breath of fresh air. And I hope 507 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 1: there are a lot of Nancy Maces on the Republican 508 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,399 Speaker 1: side and similar people on the Democratic side that are 509 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 1: going to start to see that the way forward is 510 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,359 Speaker 1: not left or right, It says simply forward and whatever 511 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,920 Speaker 1: it takes to get there so much, so much the better. 512 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 1: I do want to say, by the way, about Genie 513 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: and her book, can't wait to read it, also that 514 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,879 Speaker 1: if we do not go that way, she may have 515 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 1: to quickly pen the second book to go beyond the 516 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 1: Bird Book, which is called American Democracy Still in Crisis. 517 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 1: The sequel. I don't want a sequel. Listen, there's twentys here. 518 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: I don't want a sequel. Yeah, yeah, Adam, it's so true. 519 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 1: I hope I don't have to pen that one. But 520 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 1: if I do, I'm going to look to you and 521 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 1: Kevin to support me as you, Adam, navigate through though 522 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 1: the future of the Republican Party. And I think you 523 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 1: made a really interesting point about new new members. I mean, 524 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: there is a hunger especially amongst business, the business community, 525 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 1: and not just the c suite, but also just you know, 526 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 1: folks who are are just looking for not even a 527 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 1: return to normal, just a return to get moving again. 528 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:28,959 Speaker 1: How it's how does the Republican Party blaze that path forward? 529 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 1: Because quite honestly, uh and talking to aids all day 530 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 1: today on the left and the right, but I'll focus 531 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 1: on the right for today. When I talked to them, 532 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 1: they're saying, Look, seventy million Americans did not rush the 533 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 1: capital and break the law. And millions of Americans who 534 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 1: voted for President Trump feel that he was way way 535 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 1: over the line, to put it mildly, and they but 536 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 1: they still believe in lower taxes, for example Adam Goodman, 537 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,720 Speaker 1: and they just want a leader. That's it. If this 538 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 1: were a referendum frankly on policy as opposed to persona, 539 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 1: this actually may even had a different result of this 540 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 1: election this past November. But uh, look at the look 541 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 1: at I'm a student of history, so I really believe 542 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 1: that we, you know, things repeat themselves for reasons that 543 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 1: are fairly obvious. History says that in few thousand twenty two, 544 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 1: the first mid term under President elect o'biden president like 545 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 1: oh Biden Biden, that we are going to see a 546 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 1: loss of seats by the Democrats. Obama lost sixty three 547 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 1: House seats, Bill Clinton lost fifty two. Obama also, by 548 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 1: the way, his first mid term saw a loss of 549 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 1: three seats in the Senate. So if you believe in history, 550 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 1: you think, first the Republicans have a very good chance 551 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 1: of recapturing the House, which has a margin of less 552 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 1: than tense seats now and recapturing possibly control the Senate. 553 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 1: They already have a very favorable Supreme Court that would 554 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 1: put them in very good positions. Also something I think 555 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 1: that President Left Biden is looking at very closely as 556 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 1: a kind of an instruction manual on how come out 557 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 1: of the box, knowing that that maybe a possibility, doesn't 558 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 1: want that to be um something that creates a full 559 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 1: stop to everything he's trying to do. On the beyond that, 560 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 1: You've got a very deep bench of Republicans after twenty 561 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 1: two that will seek the presidency in uh, you go 562 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 1: down the list, you know the familiar names of course, 563 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 1: Nicki Haley, Rick Scott, Tim Scott, Marco Rubio, and not 564 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 1: as familiar so familiar names like Greg Abbott and Tom Cotton, 565 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 1: Larry Hogan of Maryland. So you have a deep bench, 566 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 1: a good bench if you're looking at a policy driven 567 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 1: candidacy more than a one driven by personality. Uh. Not 568 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,240 Speaker 1: to minimize that, by the way, Republicans are going to 569 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 1: have a lot to choose from, and America's America will 570 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 1: have a tremendous choice to make at that point. But 571 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 1: I'm very bullish on the party. You know, every every 572 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 1: cycle when a party suffers one losses on one front 573 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 1: or all fronts. You see it in normal obituaries. Oh 574 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 1: my gosh, the Democrats are done. Oh jeez, this time. 575 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 1: Republicans can't come back. Always it seems two years later 576 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,240 Speaker 1: it's a one eight and suddenly there's a new spin 577 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 1: on things. But the one thing we I hope we 578 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 1: move forward on together is as a country. And I'm 579 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 1: hoping that those who are just slightly right a center 580 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 1: and left a center in both the House and the 581 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 1: Senate actually start to flament a new kind of dynamic 582 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 1: and moving the business of America forward. It doesn't depend 583 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 1: on leaders that are too beholden to the far left 584 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 1: and the far right and more into the interests of 585 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 1: average Americans. Yeah, and Adam, can I just follow up 586 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 1: on that, because you make a really important point. I 587 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 1: think in all of the chaos of the last week 588 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 1: or so, we've sort of lost sight of the fact 589 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 1: that the Republicans actually did much better than expected in 590 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 1: many races in November, including the House races and certainly 591 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 1: at the state and local level. Um So if you 592 00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 1: think about that, and then Kevin just made such an 593 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 1: important point about you know, so many Republicans who may 594 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:07,000 Speaker 1: not like the personality of the current president or the tweeting, 595 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 1: but they really are fiscal conservatives. How do you know 596 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:15,040 Speaker 1: Republicans in Congress looking at this bill come from the 597 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 1: Democrats and the Biden administration. How do they thread that 598 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 1: needle dressing a pandemic and the economic crisis we're in, 599 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,960 Speaker 1: but also maintaining their sort of focus on you know, 600 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 1: we want to make sure that we are fiscally responsive. 601 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 1: You know, Nancy Mace was just talking about the debt 602 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 1: and the deficit and targeted packages. So how do you 603 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 1: recommend they do that? That's a great question. Here's here's 604 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 1: the almost t short answer. They don't make it personal 605 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 1: that Republicans move forward with the purpose of the country first. 606 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 1: And as long as they do that and they stick 607 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,240 Speaker 1: more to polity than they do you know, the prickliness 608 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 1: of politics. Uh, they have, you know, a lot of 609 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,120 Speaker 1: room to play here, and America's watching. I think it 610 00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,400 Speaker 1: was a big mistake that we didn't come out with 611 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 1: the biggest name of this. They went to individuals in 612 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,239 Speaker 1: the last in puspect the big mistake. I mean, if 613 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 1: anyone directly needs to help and needs it. Now you 614 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 1: still see the job as numbers. It's them in small 615 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 1: business that should be the business of America. So if 616 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:17,200 Speaker 1: if Republicans can avoid the red meat, which too often 617 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:22,040 Speaker 1: drives the rhetoric of politics but doesn't do much good 618 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,800 Speaker 1: for the interests of America, I think well, and and 619 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,960 Speaker 1: and the suburbs have turned vegetarians, so they're not even 620 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,319 Speaker 1: wanting the red meat, but they are. I mean, they 621 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,719 Speaker 1: don't want the red meat anymore. There it's so it's 622 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:37,239 Speaker 1: it doesn't even resonate nearly as much. I think as 623 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,560 Speaker 1: as a lot of these focus groups even think. Let 624 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 1: me put it to you this way, to both of 625 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,840 Speaker 1: your points, I mean, I gotta be candid. I was 626 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,360 Speaker 1: talking to one of the UH leaders behind the Millennial 627 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:52,359 Speaker 1: National Debt UH advocacy group, and they were saying they 628 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,520 Speaker 1: were even behind the last round of economic stimulus, Adam Goodman. 629 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,400 Speaker 1: I don't think Republicans are going to be able to 630 00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,440 Speaker 1: get on board with a fifteen dollar minimum. Way. The 631 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 1: Republicans that I talked to were gonna say, you're telling 632 00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,400 Speaker 1: us the restaurant can't stay open, can't be open right now, 633 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,719 Speaker 1: and now you're telling us that we need more we 634 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 1: need to pay them more hourly. They are hurting. I mean, 635 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,360 Speaker 1: this is such a mess out in terms of the 636 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:18,160 Speaker 1: debate that's coming. That's it. That's that's totally it. And 637 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,200 Speaker 1: by the way, I like your vegetarian comment that I'm 638 00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,400 Speaker 1: not a vegetarian. My uncle as a jogi shop and 639 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 1: I love a good cheese steack. Go ahead. That was 640 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,360 Speaker 1: so beautifully time. No, you're absolutely right there not going 641 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 1: to go for the fifteen dollar minimum wage, but it 642 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,160 Speaker 1: gives them more room to actually be there for the 643 00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,680 Speaker 1: two thousand dollars similar checks individuals and a stand tall 644 00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 1: for small business. And you're totally right. The last thing 645 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,479 Speaker 1: small business needs right now is more regulation and higher 646 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 1: costs at a time when many of them were just 647 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,040 Speaker 1: struggling to keep the doors open and more importantly, to 648 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 1: keep Americans employed. Uh so, so, I think Republicans as 649 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 1: well as Democrats are going to be there on the 650 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,319 Speaker 1: basic steamus factage. They will not be able to find 651 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,840 Speaker 1: critical mass on the minimum wage. As I said earlier 652 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,200 Speaker 1: in the show, I think that's just kind of an 653 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:05,399 Speaker 1: opening gambit that Democrats want to show to their base, 654 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,760 Speaker 1: maybe that they really mean business somewhere downstream and Frankly, 655 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,880 Speaker 1: that's the kind of business I think that has a 656 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:16,719 Speaker 1: very small chance of any passing a more bipartisan Congress. Yeah, 657 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:21,520 Speaker 1: and and add like as you watch Joe Biden make 658 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,520 Speaker 1: the statement tonight and releases is and we're hearing signs 659 00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,640 Speaker 1: of what it may include UM in addition to you know, 660 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:31,400 Speaker 1: the two thousand stimulus UM the fourteen would be now. 661 00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,040 Speaker 1: But it seems like the state aid the minimum wage. 662 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,000 Speaker 1: Those are sort of the two big things that Republicans 663 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,040 Speaker 1: may object to. But what else do you think that 664 00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:43,399 Speaker 1: you're hearing that they may object to? UM in terms 665 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:47,399 Speaker 1: of what we the Vice President may suggest tonight, well, 666 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,200 Speaker 1: I think they're there. When you talk about state aid, 667 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 1: you're thinking state slash city aid. And the one thing 668 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,719 Speaker 1: that Republicans had heartache over over the last couple of 669 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:01,480 Speaker 1: months was, for many with bugins, was the idea of 670 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:06,839 Speaker 1: bailing out especially cities where uh they feel mismanagement has 671 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,160 Speaker 1: run rampant for far too long and all we're doing 672 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,960 Speaker 1: is we're worrying good money after bad and so there 673 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,400 Speaker 1: will be a spirited argument about that, But frankly, the 674 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,319 Speaker 1: cities of America, even if you're a Republican, we can't 675 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:23,759 Speaker 1: see America's cities in UH rapid decline and feel that 676 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,439 Speaker 1: somehow we're isolated from the impact of that. We want 677 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:30,040 Speaker 1: a ship that is rising on all fronts, and they 678 00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,520 Speaker 1: get there, We're gonna have to make some concession on there. 679 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,520 Speaker 1: But the minimum wage, I think, is the imagine a 680 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,040 Speaker 1: line here. It's it's that bright red line where they're 681 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,719 Speaker 1: there's not going to cross that, and they have good 682 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:44,680 Speaker 1: reason not to, and then they can in return save 683 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,520 Speaker 1: the American people. We're gonna give you more in terms 684 00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:50,640 Speaker 1: of individual stimulus checks to make you whole. We're gonna 685 00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,359 Speaker 1: have to leave it there. And I dare I say, 686 00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:54,239 Speaker 1: I cannot wait to have both of you back on 687 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:58,120 Speaker 1: UH and and Atom to pick your brain about implications 688 00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:01,120 Speaker 1: of the last week, because I remember and Steen when 689 00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:04,759 Speaker 1: Jeff Bush was the presumed front runner of the Republican 690 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:09,120 Speaker 1: Party and what did the upstart do Donald Trump attack attack, 691 00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,800 Speaker 1: attack his his, UH the front runner, And so I 692 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,600 Speaker 1: think there could be a vacuum of an opportunity for 693 00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:19,759 Speaker 1: an outsider, new type of governor Republican to come out 694 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:21,600 Speaker 1: and just start saying it's time to move on. It's 695 00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,080 Speaker 1: time to move on, It's time to move on. My 696 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,720 Speaker 1: thanks to Jeanie Shawanza Know as well as Adam Goodman 697 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,000 Speaker 1: for joining me, and of course to Congresswoman Uh. To 698 00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,800 Speaker 1: congress Woman Nathan Nancy Mace, I'm Kevin silly. This is 699 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:34,160 Speaker 1: number