1 00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, welcome back to bats for Happy Hour. I'm 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:08,399 Speaker 1: Serena and Joe and we are here with none of that. 3 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 1: Blake Moyin's from Batchelor in Paradise. So happy Blake, you 4 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 1: could be here. 5 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been a while. 6 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 3: I think it's due your unhappy. 7 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 2: Mm hmmm probably probably when. 8 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:26,599 Speaker 3: For a finale. 9 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 2: Right, it's been two years. Yeah, welcome back. 10 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 1: I had we had Blake on Clickbait. Yeah, I remember 11 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 1: that was a good episode. We really got into the wildlife, 12 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: your whole. I remember you asked me to go on 13 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:44,599 Speaker 1: one of those trips but I backed out. 14 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 2: What about you? Could you do the whale one? 15 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 1: What? What did it entail? 16 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 2: There wasn't really much. It's just I just have to 17 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 2: put you in the ocean and I dragged you over 18 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 2: to the whales and just you just need to float 19 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 2: there and just take it off. 20 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 3: Your water, right, Yeah, like you're in there with. 21 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 2: It's voice emerged not yeah, yeah, Like it's just you 22 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 2: and the what's your next one? I go to I 23 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 2: go to Bolivia and the Amazon for six weeks and jaguars, oslats, 24 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 2: spider monkeys and a conas. 25 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: Do you have anything that falls under just like a 26 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: little more mild, like I don't want to die, Like 27 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 1: I don't want to die. I don't want to get 28 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 1: bit by anything. I don't want poison ivy, I don't 29 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: want to get bit by anything. 30 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 2: So so this is interesting, right, Like I was, I 31 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:37,919 Speaker 2: was asked, you know, because it's been it's been girls 32 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 2: that have come with you for the last few Then 33 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 2: the thing is, like I think it takes a specific 34 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 2: project to like have a male come on. You're not 35 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 2: gonna come on and do sea turls with me. It's 36 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 2: just a little hot you know. 37 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's speed. That's what I'm asking you. 38 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 2: Do you want to come out and have like a 39 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 2: cute little excursion with. 40 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 3: Me doing exactly what you want? 41 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would do that. I do that. I would 42 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: do I would like I would do like a surfari 43 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 1: and like I'm all down to like see jaguars, but 44 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: they like, how close do you get into those? 45 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 2: Well this specific Well, so we're going out to try 46 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 2: and find wild ones. We're doing a four day little 47 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 2: trip out into the actual Amazon. But then I'm working 48 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:20,359 Speaker 2: with a wildlife sanctuary that rehabs them. So it's a 49 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 2: jaguar that's taken out of the pet trade and so 50 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 2: it's a rewilding project, so we'll be very close to them, 51 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 2: and it's essentially trying to make it as wild as 52 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 2: possible from being habituated to humans and trying to make 53 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 2: them basically wild again. So yeah, it can be. I've 54 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:35,079 Speaker 2: never done this before. This is the first time we're 55 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 2: going to go do it so dangerous. 56 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 1: But like more, I feel like jaguars are the scariest 57 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: of animals. Like, jaguars are strong, and I think they're 58 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 1: the fastest, right, Like, well. 59 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 2: Cheetahs are the fastest, but jaguars are like you know, 60 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 2: you see them taking out canan and they can take 61 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 2: out essentially anything. 62 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 3: So yeah, it's not. 63 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:02,079 Speaker 2: For the seas, no, no, no, no, it's nowhere here 64 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 2: sure yeah no, yeah, actually penguins is in the Okay, 65 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 2: I can make that. 66 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 3: I think I can make my favorite one that you've 67 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:11,799 Speaker 3: been on. 68 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 2: Uh when I went back into the Kenya thing. I 69 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:19,519 Speaker 2: think we're just so close to big tusker elephants in 70 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 2: a wild setting that that was like the most wild 71 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 2: and real with being able to rangers range of three weeks. 72 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 2: But the whale comes close in the sense of like 73 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:30,519 Speaker 2: I remember being in with my snorkele and the calf 74 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:32,920 Speaker 2: and the mom were coming up real close and they 75 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 2: don't normally have interactions like that, and I remember just 76 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 2: feeling like I'm very out of place and swearing, being like, hoh, 77 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 2: holy fuck, holy fuckuse you're just there's nothing you can 78 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 2: do it in the ocean like that. It's up to 79 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 2: them as to how they want to move around. You 80 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 2: can't get out of the way, really, so I remember 81 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 2: just feeling like part pounding, like there's nothing I can 82 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 2: do here, and just kind of take it in and 83 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 2: thank god these are harmless animals for the most part, 84 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 2: because yeah, so that was the second closest. 85 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 3: Dream vulnerability. 86 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, yes, yes, I think that's what I chase, right. 87 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 2: I like that, Like, there's not a lot really, you know, 88 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 2: works me up, but animal encounters like that. 89 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's get let's get into the show. But keep 90 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 1: me in mind for penguins because I like penguins. Okay, 91 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 1: I'll do so, Blake, Blake, Blake, Where should we start. 92 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: Let's start with let's start from the beginning. You coming down, 93 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: who were you interested in? Were you hesitant at all? 94 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:35,159 Speaker 1: Were you excited? What's up? 95 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 2: I think this is the first time. I wasn't like 96 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 2: overly excited, wasn't nervous either. I think doing this a 97 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 2: couple of times, there's there was nerves, but like I 98 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 2: knew how it kind of worked. For the most part. 99 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 2: I came in very open minded, but like you know, 100 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 2: you're always asked, like what this list. Everyone talks about 101 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 2: this list from experience coming on like really headstrong for 102 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:01,480 Speaker 2: Clear and really heads for Katie. Like I really wanted 103 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 2: to come in with like just no expectations, loosen up 104 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:05,799 Speaker 2: a little bit and just kind of see what happens. 105 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 2: But I did say, you know, okay, like Jess's cue, 106 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:11,280 Speaker 2: kat was cute. I felt like Ariel was coming, and 107 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 2: there are some people that I visually thought were attractive. 108 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 2: It was a cure scene. But I really didn't dive 109 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:19,599 Speaker 2: into much more than that. So that was kind of 110 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 2: the look coming down, Okay, I think that that all. 111 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 2: I was more curious. I was more curious. I wasn't 112 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 2: excited or anything. I was just curious about what it looked. 113 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: Okay, So then it seems like you really it's just 114 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: like kind of you and Jess are hanging out at 115 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:37,599 Speaker 1: the beginning, and it seems like you're starting to you like, 116 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:42,839 Speaker 1: form a relationship. Let's talk about the beginning part of 117 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: your relationship with Jess. 118 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:46,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, what was that like? 119 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:51,280 Speaker 2: Uh, it was kind of surprising. I think it was 120 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:55,359 Speaker 2: she made it. What I was attracted with her was 121 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 2: this this calm, like sweet like it was almost like 122 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 2: in dear. You could tell that she was nervous to 123 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 2: be there, and I kind of attracted to that. It. 124 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:11,039 Speaker 2: You know, we kissed the first time we we spoke, 125 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 2: and that kind of almost set me off in a sense, 126 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 2: like I felt like I needed like to be careful 127 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 2: with that. You could tell that she was super sensitive. 128 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 2: And I remember walking away and going to sit down 129 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:22,840 Speaker 2: with the rest of the people in that group and 130 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 2: after that and feeling really excited about the start of that. 131 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 2: But I also was like nervousness sense as to how 132 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 2: I would manage that relationship because I had like almost 133 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 2: a protective feeling about it. You could tell that she 134 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 2: was could be vulnerable or be upset, like she is 135 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 2: a sense of person you could do that through that. 136 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 2: So when I kissed her, you know, it is a gesture. 137 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 2: It is a gesture that you're into somebody, and I 138 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 2: didn't and I want to be protective of that, and 139 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 2: I think that kind of I wouldn't say I shouldn't 140 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 2: have had that mindset, but like I think I gravitated 141 00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 2: to her because I felt some type of I don't know, commitment. 142 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 2: I don't know, Like when I make a gesture like that, 143 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 2: you felt did you feel you. 144 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 4: Felt the gesture meant something? And because you felt like 145 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:13,559 Speaker 4: it meant a lot to her, there was a level 146 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 4: of commitment to her now exactly so that it wasn't 147 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 4: just like, you know, a nothing kiss. It was like, 148 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 4: you know, I'm excited about this. I feel like that 149 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 4: probably meant something to her, and I want to be 150 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 4: respectful of her feelings. 151 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 3: So now you know we're going. 152 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 2: To move forward here, because she definitely doesn't come off 153 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 2: as one that just like throws a kiss around like that, 154 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 2: and you can see how she kind of handles that 155 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 2: the rest of the season. She just not wanted that. 156 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 2: So when I'm making a gesture like that, first off, 157 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 2: I meant it, but I wanted to be protective of that, 158 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 2: protective of her. She just like gives that off. You 159 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 2: know what I mean, did you you want to hurt. 160 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 1: Did you have that conversation with her like what you're 161 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: saying to us? 162 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 2: Yes, So, I mean she knew that I was very 163 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 2: much interned. I told her pretty well right off the top. 164 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 2: There was no one currently on the beach. That was 165 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 2: overly like a check to where I wanted to, you know, 166 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 2: ruin what we had. I also understand there's a time 167 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 2: limit being experienced as I am. So it was like, 168 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 2: unless somebody comes down that really blows me away. Yes, 169 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 2: I'm hoping to explore it, but there's nobody currently here, 170 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 2: and so I wanted to protect that in that moment. 171 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: Okay, So then when she so and she I forget 172 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 1: where I think it's like a bonfire or wherever it 173 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 1: goes down one of the truth circles or whatever. You 174 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: guys played so many games, and Jess kind of opens 175 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: up about like you not necessarily being heard or you 176 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 1: being her number one right now, but like if somebody 177 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 1: came in, were you shocked to hear that? 178 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that was truth or dare Yeah, So there's the. 179 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 4: Truth circle where like it was so early that I 180 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 4: feel like you're like both you alluded to like you 181 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 4: know it's going good. We'll see what happens. And then 182 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 4: once truth or dare hit were a little later on 183 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 4: and someone's like, Jess is Blake, You're number one, and 184 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 4: she's like, yeah, he's my number one on this beach 185 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 4: right now. 186 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:05,679 Speaker 2: Yeah. So I think that the issue was is that 187 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 2: Jess was very open about who she was potentially interested 188 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 2: in seeing, which was Tyler and Tanner were like the 189 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 2: ones that were the focal point, and before they came down, 190 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 2: I knew that that was going to eventually be a thing. 191 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 2: I had a feeling that they are probably going to come, 192 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 2: and so by Anders, I also could tell that she 193 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 2: was like struggling and very unsure with me and like 194 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:29,959 Speaker 2: knowing that they were potentially coming. So I was very 195 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 2: aware of that and was like very just calm and 196 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 2: understood that where it became where it became tricky was 197 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 2: I could tell that, like, I, how do I explain this? 198 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 2: When I sat down with her and told her remember 199 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 2: the scene where we were crying or she was crying 200 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 2: and she walked away, there was a struggle there. I 201 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 2: knew that there was no one on that beature. I 202 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 2: wasn't waiting for anyone to come down, so my focus 203 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 2: was on her, but knowing how open and she was, 204 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 2: like I still want to explore. I still want to explore, 205 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 2: even though. 206 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 1: I you still want to play a little, you still 207 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 1: want to play a little hard to get because but yes. 208 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 2: But at the same time, I also as much as 209 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:16,439 Speaker 2: I wasn't open, I kept telling her yet, like I'm open, 210 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:19,679 Speaker 2: I'm open up because she was very uncomfortable with that 211 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 2: whole topic. So it was almost trying to make her 212 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 2: more comfortable saying I'm also like, I'm good, Like, do 213 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 2: your thing, I'm open too, because if I closed off 214 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 2: right away in the beginning, it's like I just want 215 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 2: you to have more pressure on her to like you 216 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 2: don't want to scare her. I was calmer and more 217 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 2: like do your thing. I'm going to be good short 218 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 2: out your shift though, and so I was trying to 219 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:41,679 Speaker 2: help her. Just came a point where I'm like, i'd 220 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 2: be locked in right now if you were telling me 221 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 2: you weren't waiting for anybody. Yeah, I had to eventually 222 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 2: say that. 223 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 4: So I was like, they can't both be open for forever, 224 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 4: Like that's not how this works. Eventually we have to 225 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:55,079 Speaker 4: either not be open anymore or go our separate ways. 226 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 2: The issue was that I had no one I was 227 00:10:57,040 --> 00:11:00,040 Speaker 2: waiting for she did, and so I it was a 228 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 2: hard thing to manage because I was like, I want 229 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:03,959 Speaker 2: to like give her that sace, but go figure it 230 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 2: out though, like the seft wasting time, so. 231 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 4: You probably can't freaking Tyler and Tanner just come down 232 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 4: and take this gir on to date already so we 233 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 4: can like get over this kind of hurdle that seems inevitable. 234 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 2: The other the other shoes her friends were you know, 235 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 2: ended up or you know, Mercedes with Tyler, so like 236 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 2: she didn't want step the most told you, I completely 237 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:24,559 Speaker 2: get that, So it was prolonging it. I was like, listen, 238 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 2: like you need but for us, Like I understand your friends, 239 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 2: but for us, you need to go and do that. 240 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 2: You have to or we're going to get nowhere. 241 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so, that's that's a tough situation to be 242 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 1: in because you're almost like you want to pursue this 243 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:41,079 Speaker 1: girl one hundred percent, but then you also you can't 244 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:44,439 Speaker 1: because you'll potentially scare her and then you like her, 245 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: but then you're pushing her to like go date other people, 246 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: So then that puts you in just a shitty spot. 247 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 2: Really, I really just thought she'd come around eventually, like 248 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 2: and I thought it was gonna be earlier like that 249 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 2: she was going to be like, I know, like let's 250 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 2: do it. It just kept like I think that's what 251 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 2: kind of I shelled up. Essentially shelled out because when 252 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 2: I was like, what do I need to prove to 253 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:09,599 Speaker 2: her for her to like know this? You know what 254 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 2: I mean? Like, so I started shelling up not being 255 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 2: as fun. I was like, kay, I didn't know how 256 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 2: to maneuver with her because she wasn't fully into it, 257 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 2: and she wasn't fully into it. I just kind of like, 258 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:20,679 Speaker 2: I don't know, I shelled up. 259 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:22,479 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I like I'm getting insecure. 260 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 1: Like, yeah, I would get insecure too. 261 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 4: I'd be like, I like you, what's it gonna take. 262 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:31,199 Speaker 4: What do I gotta do for you to be all 263 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 4: into me? And I've been into it for a while 264 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 4: and you're not there, I'd feel you got a little 265 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 4: bit like insecure. 266 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:40,680 Speaker 2: There was a really interesting point where you know, it 267 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 2: was clearly like I was almost having more fun with 268 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 2: like her friends and the other girls there just because 269 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:47,959 Speaker 2: there was I wasn't trying to prove any to them 270 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 2: and I could be more loose and like I just 271 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 2: never felt that for a while with Jefs, and I 272 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 2: felt uptight because I was just like I didn't know 273 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 2: how to maneuver, and like because I wasn't feeling fully accepted. 274 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 2: So I was like it was I just wasn't able 275 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 2: to lose nothing have fun until later in the season. 276 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 1: And then okay, so Genevieve comes down and you get 277 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 1: a chance to explore someone else, go on a date. 278 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: The date goes really well, but then what happens, like 279 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 1: why go back to Jess because she's not all in 280 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 1: And did you know while you were on that date, 281 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 1: Jess and Tyler kissed? What happened there? 282 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 2: Okay? So yeah, so obviously Jen comes down and. 283 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 1: Then I'm sorry not to cut you off. I've been 284 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 1: trying to figure. 285 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 3: Out this just timely, yes about this just its. 286 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: Like no one even cares anymore. Shut the fuck up 287 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:45,560 Speaker 1: to myself, but I keep I feel like. 288 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 3: That were like really dying to close and you have 289 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 3: that makes that. 290 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 2: Makes full sense. So Jen came down. It was honestly 291 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 2: perfect time, any sense, because the night before I said, Jess, 292 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 2: you've got to do your thing tomorrow, so go take 293 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 2: your space, and so that out. And then when Jen 294 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 2: came down and asked me on the date. I was like, Hey, well, 295 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 2: this is going to be the best opportunity. I'm not 296 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 2: going to be here. I don't have to watch the shit. 297 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 2: I can bring in some adversity to this and see 298 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 2: how you feel when I'm gone. I can see how 299 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 2: I feel when I'm out on that date, knowing that 300 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:17,559 Speaker 2: you're doing your thing back beach, and that'll initiates some movement, 301 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 2: good or bad. It'll initiate something. So I had a 302 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 2: great time with Jen, and honestly, during the date, like 303 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 2: I wasn't really Jen was great, so I wasn't really 304 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 2: thinking about Yess during the date, But as soon as 305 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 2: things started wrapping up, we started thinking about everything that 306 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 2: was going on, and so when I came back, I 307 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 2: was really nervous. I actually didn't get to speak to 308 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 2: Jess that night. I saw her very briefly, but she 309 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 2: was kind of just wrapped up in the kind of 310 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 2: set and so I didn't get to see her till 311 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 2: the next day, and so I remember panicking a little 312 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 2: bit because I also didn't know what she got up 313 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 2: to that day. So I was like went to bed, 314 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 2: like freaking out a little bit. 315 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 4: When you came back that night, did you have a 316 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 4: decision about like what you wanted to do with your 317 00:14:57,560 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 4: little love triangle? 318 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 2: I was veering one way, but I knew I needed 319 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 2: to sleep on it, okay, and that way it was veering. 320 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 2: I was like, it was like veering Jet, Like if 321 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 2: I did make a moment of decision that moment, I 322 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 2: was still gonna pick Jess. But Jen really did make 323 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 2: me think, this is how I explain to people. Jen 324 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 2: made sense in my head in terms of like she 325 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 2: was coming and she was super into it, wanted to 326 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 2: go forward with it, but like Jess, Like my heart 327 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 2: was making decisions for Jess, but my my brain would 328 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 2: have made the decisions for Jen, because Jess wasn't necessarily 329 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 2: giving me the things that I needed. And my practical 330 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 2: brain was saying, Jen makes more sense here, but my 331 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 2: heart was saying, Jess, you followed your heart, Blake. 332 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 4: But you've also spent so much more time with Jess, 333 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 4: Like it would have had to have been like sparks flying. 334 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 3: I feel like for you to have left that to 335 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 3: go towards Jen. 336 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly. 337 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 3: So the next day you wake up and you have 338 00:15:57,760 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 3: to talk to Jess. 339 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 2: Well, I mean yeah, So the next they is rose, 340 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 2: So I don't see her obviously through the day, so 341 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 2: I knew that I knew that she was probably panicking 342 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 2: a little bit too, and not knowing where my head 343 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 2: was that going into, you know, I had the roses 344 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 2: that day, and again knowing that like, she's very much 345 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 2: in her head, she's an overst thinker, she's sensitive and things. 346 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 2: I got to talk to Tyler that day, so I 347 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 2: hadn't understanding but where Tyler's head was at, And so 348 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 2: I didn't know that they had should have kiss at 349 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 2: that moment, but I could. I knew that they had chatted, 350 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 2: and I knew that he was still very much in 351 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 2: student Mercedes and that's where his rose was going to go. 352 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 2: And so at least that gave me a little bit 353 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 2: of like, well, forgoether she wants it or not, she's not, 354 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 2: He's he's interested in Mercedes. So it gave me a 355 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 2: little bit of a good feeling. Anyways, And were. 356 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 4: You happy to hear that they like chatted and there 357 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 4: was like some exploration done on her and like would 358 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 4: you have been disappointed to come back and find out 359 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:00,040 Speaker 4: that she just like sat on the couch. 360 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 2: With the Yeah, we're like what are you doing this? 361 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 2: Is we did this for you to go and do that, right? 362 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 2: So yeah, I would have been. 363 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: And did you have any did you have any issue 364 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 1: with Tyler personally for making a move? 365 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 2: Okay, no, because I because I also knew that it 366 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 2: was needed. Somebody needs to pressing her and like you know, 367 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 2: put her in situations where she could feel and figure 368 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:19,679 Speaker 2: out if if I was something she wanted or not. 369 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:23,200 Speaker 2: So no, so no, I understand that it was needed. 370 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 2: But yeah she was. She was panicking probably that day, 371 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 2: not knowing if the rose is coming or not. Because 372 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 2: she also, unless she talked to Jen probably honestly would 373 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:32,439 Speaker 2: have just said I was super in a blake and 374 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 2: it was you know, it went well and we had 375 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 2: a great time because we really did, so it might 376 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 2: have you know, freaked out a little bit going to 377 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 2: the rosy. 378 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:50,439 Speaker 1: Okay. So so then you guys have a conversation that 379 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: night and you both like it's you flirt with the 380 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:57,879 Speaker 1: idea like you both like still like want to pursue 381 00:17:57,880 --> 00:17:58,360 Speaker 1: each other. 382 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:05,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, so we so little side note, I gave her 383 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 2: a note earlier that day. I slipped it to another 384 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 2: girl to give it to her that she so she 385 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:10,879 Speaker 2: felt a little like calmer going in because I know 386 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 2: she was panicking, so she probably had an idea that, 387 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:15,479 Speaker 2: you know, it was going to go her way that night. 388 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 2: So when we sat down, I think she was more 389 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 2: calm than she would have been if I didn't tried 390 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 2: to like help her calmer nerves with that little note 391 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:26,679 Speaker 2: going into the night. So we said, you know what 392 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 2: she it was on a little like coffee like cardboard 393 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 2: coffee thing. I forget exactly what it said, but essentially 394 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 2: it was like I essentially told her I was like 395 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 2: thinking about her all day and like I don't want 396 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:39,440 Speaker 2: you to worry about something like the great about tonight 397 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 2: or whatever it was to calmer. And then yeah, we 398 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 2: had that conversation, and I think she knew that it 399 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 2: was going to be a good one just from my end. 400 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 2: And I was curious, honestly, just to see where she 401 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 2: was coming from her conversation, because she didn't know necessary 402 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 2: that I talked to Tyler that day and that Tyler 403 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 2: wasn't gonna necess give her the rose. So I was 404 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:59,359 Speaker 2: waiting to see how she approached that conversation. 405 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 4: Are you wondering if she was going to tell you 406 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 4: or not, or were you like confident she was going 407 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:06,439 Speaker 4: to bring it up. 408 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:12,479 Speaker 2: I we had a very honest, transparent relationship and all 409 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:15,400 Speaker 2: the way through for the most part, So I, yeah, 410 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 2: she would have told me, and she did. 411 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, and she told you that, like they kissed and 412 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:22,119 Speaker 4: what was kind of the story there. 413 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:28,640 Speaker 2: She she was very transparent both times. When she did 414 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 2: eventually talk to Ten her a little bit and felt 415 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:32,920 Speaker 2: that out, she didn't feel any connection was there from 416 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 2: you know, the original thought that she she was like 417 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:39,199 Speaker 2: her number one coming down. It just wasn't that a 418 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 2: click wasn't there that she thought, and so she wasn't 419 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 2: interested in that. And then with Tyler, she very much 420 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 2: was like attracted to him and liked it, but it 421 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:52,159 Speaker 2: wasn't like this what I call how moment where you're like, 422 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:54,879 Speaker 2: oh my god. She wasn't like infatuated or felt like 423 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:58,199 Speaker 2: it was something strong enough to like make a switch 424 00:19:58,760 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 2: in comparison to what. 425 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 4: We've So nothing was topping your guys' relationship. Like your 426 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 4: connection with Jen was great. Her time with Tyler was great, 427 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:10,639 Speaker 4: but there was the realization, like what we have is 428 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 4: the strongest. 429 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 2: Right now exactly. Both had like the connections with Tyler 430 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 2: and Jen that were good and like, but they just 431 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 2: stayed good, and there wasn't we were going to pursue 432 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 2: those and breaking what we've built. 433 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,479 Speaker 4: You weren't going to like sacrifice your relationship to pursue 434 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 4: of that thing else not at that point. 435 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:32,120 Speaker 1: No, Okay, So now you guys, so you choose each other, 436 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: you decide to move forward with each other, and now 437 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 1: it seems like you're you know, she explores, you explore, 438 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 1: but it doesn't seem like your your relationship is moving forward. 439 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the constant issue. It just felt like 440 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 2: we were in neutral all the time, like we would 441 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:54,640 Speaker 2: have really great moments, but like I kept saying, like, 442 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 2: let's put the pottle down, like what do we why 443 00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 2: are we just cruising? And I just felt like she 444 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 2: was in control of that, and yeah, I can't get 445 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,680 Speaker 2: like I'm still I still can't fully grasp it. So 446 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 2: like why we couldn't I think it was she was 447 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:12,439 Speaker 2: very much in her head at that time and like 448 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:15,239 Speaker 2: wavering like I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. 449 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 2: You'd have to interview her again at that moment. 450 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 1: But were you guys having like any tough real life 451 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:26,159 Speaker 1: conversations like potentially how would we make this work in 452 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:27,400 Speaker 1: the real world, like things like that. 453 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 2: Distance was a thing for her. She was worried about that, 454 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 2: and I mean, sure, you know something, but I travel 455 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 2: all the time and go through forth like you know, 456 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 2: once a month essentially, So like no, I kept saying, like, 457 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:43,439 Speaker 2: that's not gonna be an issue. I just we were 458 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:47,399 Speaker 2: having hard conversations, and I think the issue was is 459 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:49,359 Speaker 2: that I think at the beginning you could have fun, 460 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 2: loose conversations and then it's supposed to get more serious, 461 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 2: and we did the opposite. Like we were having some 462 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:59,120 Speaker 2: like serious conversation in the beginning, and then as things 463 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 2: were going, she was wanting to see more of a playful, 464 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,919 Speaker 2: fun side. But because she wasn't accepting of me, and 465 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,159 Speaker 2: I didn't feel accepted in a way, I was like 466 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 2: shelled up and it was only just having serious stuff 467 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 2: like trying to figure out what it was. It was 468 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 2: nice and as time went it was like we this 469 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:15,159 Speaker 2: is at the end, is where you have the serious conversations. 470 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:16,639 Speaker 2: But she wanted to have the fun stuff. I'm like, 471 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:18,199 Speaker 2: we can't do the fun stuff. We can need to 472 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 2: like figure this out, and I don't accept it. So 473 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 2: like I'm bottled up. 474 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 4: I'm not really loose, so like it just yeah, You're like, 475 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 4: I don't want to like flirt with you right now. 476 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:26,879 Speaker 4: I want to know if you're committed to me. And 477 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 4: she's like, I want you to flirt with me so 478 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 4: that I can commit to you. 479 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was just very long, honestly. 480 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 1: Okay, So then so then why not drop your ex 481 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:43,680 Speaker 1: fiance down on the beach. So Katie, Katie Thurriston shows up. 482 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 1: But it, I mean, so we don't we what we 483 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 1: see is that you end up pulling Jess at the 484 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 1: end of the row ceremony and the episode ends. But 485 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 1: it did seem like you got a little more clarity 486 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:57,679 Speaker 1: when you did talk to Katie, So you want to 487 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,159 Speaker 1: just break down that conversation with her. 488 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 2: Mm hmm. So up until Katy Kbri were having a 489 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:07,639 Speaker 2: good day, Justine and things were like looking up. It 490 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 2: was like the fun and stuff that like I know 491 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:11,159 Speaker 2: that she was trying to look for and shout up 492 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 2: a little bit. And then of course, yeah Katie walks out, 493 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,120 Speaker 2: and you know what's what's so funny is I totally 494 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,440 Speaker 2: it was so far into the scenes at that point 495 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,159 Speaker 2: that I, you know, nearly thought like the show bringing 496 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 2: her in maybe, but like it was so far in 497 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,119 Speaker 2: that I thought that was not gonna happen anymore. And 498 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 2: so I was completely off my mind completely. And so 499 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 2: I remember sitting up in that in that what do 500 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,879 Speaker 2: you call we're all the we will all sit And 501 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 2: I remember sitting there and I've had a few drinks 502 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 2: that day and thinking that nothing was gonna. 503 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:57,160 Speaker 1: Happen, and there's so many places you are sitting the table, peop. 504 00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:00,640 Speaker 2: Will come up and like the main bar thing. 505 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 3: What do you I guess there isn't a name for 506 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:04,440 Speaker 3: that area. I guess the pool. 507 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:08,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. 508 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 2: And I had a couple drinks that day, and I 509 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 2: remember like looking around. Every camera was pointing at me, 510 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 2: and I'm like, what was going on? 511 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 3: That's a terrible bad sign. 512 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 2: And then you know, Katie has this very distinct like hello, 513 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 2: and I heard it coming up the stairs and I 514 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 2: was like whoa. And then I looked at my right 515 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:29,119 Speaker 2: and she was there, and I was just like what 516 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 2: the fuck? And I just like so many thoughts. I 517 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,159 Speaker 2: knew she was gonna pull me right away. Obviously everyone 518 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 2: was staring at me. I just and then it just happened, 519 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 2: and uh, that conversation I was not prepared for, which 520 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 2: I think was a good thing because she was very raw. 521 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 2: But I was like looking like a ghost. I remember 522 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 2: staring at her and she was saying things as I 523 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 2: was like, what are you doing here? You know? 524 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 1: Do you? Did you? Did you? Do you feel like 525 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 1: after that conversation with Katie, like you you didn't feel 526 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 1: any thing romantic towards her, did you? 527 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,639 Speaker 2: No? I didn't. I wouldn't say romantic, but I remember 528 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 2: feeling emotional, like I remember feeling like this last time 529 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,159 Speaker 2: it was just a lot, like soaking in a lot 530 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:16,639 Speaker 2: the same time. I remember just like like good memories 531 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 2: right when you see them. It was like a good 532 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 2: memories thing with her, Like I wasn't thinking about bad 533 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 2: and so it was like an emotional thing, especially hashing 534 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 2: all that out, bring up all these things. It wasn't romantic, 535 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:30,880 Speaker 2: but it was like an emotional like yeah, feeling for sure. 536 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like a heavy memory because you have so 537 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 4: much history with this person and you obviously haven't talked 538 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:36,400 Speaker 4: to them, so. 539 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 2: That last times are in person was you know, it wasn't. 540 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 2: It wasn't great in San Diego, but last time that 541 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 2: we were together, that we broke up, you know, through FaceTime, 542 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,439 Speaker 2: and so like the last physical moment I had with 543 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 2: her was good and so like just interesting to see 544 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 2: her again, like that. 545 00:25:56,320 --> 00:26:02,119 Speaker 1: Was there. Was she at all giving like hey, maybe 546 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 1: we should try again. 547 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:08,639 Speaker 2: Or or no, not a tone that I took in 548 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:14,440 Speaker 2: that moment. I felt that she was certainly like happy 549 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:15,919 Speaker 2: to see me and happy to be there and happy 550 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,640 Speaker 2: to you know, have that conversation. And maybe that could 551 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 2: have sparked something, but I didn't feel like she was 552 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 2: there to like necessarily pursue me or anything. I didn't 553 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 2: feel like that in that moment. 554 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 1: No, Okay, so you have you have the conversation with her, 555 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 1: you guys, you know, you walk away, where's your head now? 556 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 1: With Jess? 557 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 2: So I think Casius Day of course they're graded make 558 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:44,159 Speaker 2: me feel that way. 559 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,440 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because she doesn't say that she's about to host. 560 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 3: That, and she's like she's single as far as anyone knows, 561 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 3: I don't think. 562 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 2: So I'm just thinking she's actually here to do do 563 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 2: the thing. And I'm like, so, the first off, the 564 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,199 Speaker 2: worst thing, because I know it's going to mess up 565 00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,879 Speaker 2: the that situation. We're already having our issues, and like 566 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 2: I'm thinking about what Jess is potentially thinking. But I'm hoping, 567 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,640 Speaker 2: like Jess, like just sort your sort your That's where 568 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 2: I need you to sort out your ship because I 569 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 2: got a lot going on now, you know what I mean, Like, 570 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 2: this is where I need you to come in, be secure, 571 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:12,920 Speaker 2: be calm and like not freak. 572 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 3: Oh we know what you mean, we know you, we 573 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 3: know exactly what you mean. 574 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah true, so so yeah, so yeah it was. Yeah, 575 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 2: I was. I was worried, but I really like if 576 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,200 Speaker 2: she knew, if just knew what she did, know that 577 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,639 Speaker 2: Katie was not going to be an issue being on 578 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 2: the beach in that way, it would have liked meet 579 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 2: things difficult, But it wasn't going to change how I 580 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 2: thought about Jess really, but it would have made me. 581 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 2: It definitely did make me think about where I was 582 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 2: at with Jess in comparison to like how I did 583 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:45,639 Speaker 2: things with Katie. And there was a comparison there in 584 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 2: terms of like where we're at, what we were doing 585 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:48,920 Speaker 2: that did that right? 586 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,639 Speaker 4: What we do see you say, She's say in an interview, 587 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,119 Speaker 4: I'm not going to get this exactly right, but you 588 00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 4: basically say, seeing Katie today and knowing how little time 589 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 4: you spent together, but like how strong the feelings were 590 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,640 Speaker 4: really made sense to you and you you get it. 591 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 4: But with Jess, you had so much time and the 592 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,920 Speaker 4: feelings still don't really make sense to you, and that's 593 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 4: where you're struggling now. It wasn't as much like, oh, 594 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,160 Speaker 4: I'm seeing Katie and I don't know how I feel 595 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,160 Speaker 4: about Jess. It was like the comparison of like time 596 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 4: versus like progression of the relationship. 597 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I just feel like Katie was had less time 598 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,680 Speaker 2: essentially to really grasp who I was and was you know, 599 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:35,159 Speaker 2: so in and like knew and then Jess and I 600 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 2: had just so much time, more time, and I just 601 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 2: was still wasn't sure and that was doing and then 602 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 2: also knowing where we need to get to. I knew 603 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 2: it was around the corner of what takes to make 604 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 2: that type of commitment. And with Jess it was just 605 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 2: like kind of thinking, it's like, we're nowhere near where 606 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 2: we need to be right now. So it was a 607 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 2: real yeah, like how are you getting at that? A 608 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 2: realization is to like how you get to love We 609 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 2: were we weren't near, We just weren't and helped Katie 610 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 2: helped me, you realize that by coming down and like 611 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 2: the emotion. 612 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 3: Of it, it's like a wake up call a little bit. 613 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 2: Huh. 614 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 1: And you're in being in the room with Katie and 615 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: just at the same time, now at the rows as 616 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 1: that are you like realizing like do you have more 617 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 1: of a connection with Katie? Is there anything happening with 618 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 1: like being in the room with both of them or 619 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 1: at this point Katie is now like hosting and it's different. 620 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 2: I felt awkward. It naturally felt awkward. Yeah, that's just yeah, 621 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 2: it was more awkward than anything. And yeah, I wasn't 622 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 2: feeling anything necessarily towards Katie at I didn't know because 623 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 2: I knew. I also was like thinking like how is 624 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 2: Jess handling It was more like thinking about what is 625 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 2: Jess thinking about? Like I knew that I was fine, 626 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 2: and I knew that I wasn't, you know, going to 627 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 2: pursue Katie and any capacity, but what is Jess thinking? 628 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 2: How is she managing it? So it was more just 629 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 2: thinking about the show. 630 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 1: Did you ever did you ask did you would you 631 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 1: ask Jess like would you be like, hey, like how 632 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 1: are you handling this? Like where's your head? 633 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 2: I probably could have done I probably could have done 634 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 2: a better job of that. I just was like so 635 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 2: sure that she knew that there was not going to 636 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 2: be a thing there that I should have maybe assumed 637 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 2: and maybe checked in more on that, and but to 638 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 2: be honest, I was just very selfish in that moment. 639 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 2: And I think some of it is understandable, I think, 640 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 2: but yeah, like, yeah, I mean, you're, yeah, just a 641 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 2: lot taking you know, a lot taking a lot. But 642 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 2: I think she knew that, you know, Katie I were 643 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 2: not going to be a thing there. 644 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 4: So had you guys talked about Katie and just like 645 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 4: your history before that point. 646 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say probably week two. It was essentially 647 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 2: a full breakdown. There's a shot whe we're on a 648 00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 2: anyways on a bench and where real cuddling essentially, and 649 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 2: I'm breaking everything down to what all happened and how 650 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 2: so she understood where I was at in my feelings 651 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 2: prior to Katie coming off. 652 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 1: Gotcha Okay, without spoiling too much, where the episode leaves 653 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 1: off is you pull Jess to what looks to be 654 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 1: a serious conversation. We see her say you're making me nervous, 655 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 1: and like, obviously you can't spoil it, but like, I 656 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 1: don't know, what could you tell us about your headspace 657 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 1: in that moment. 658 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 2: And this is this was prior to the ceremonies, the 659 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 2: cocktail party. 660 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the cost. 661 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, the cocktail party. So we've seen the roast, and 662 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 4: now we're at the cocktail. 663 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 1: Party and everyone's kind of like, oh, they're about to 664 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 1: have a serious. 665 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 4: And everyone's having like meltdowns after this roast. So it's 666 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 4: looking like it's looking like you were about to have 667 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 4: the break up, the breakout conversation with Jess, if there's 668 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 4: going to be one, or a very serious conversation about 669 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 4: the state of your relationship. 670 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. So I think that the best way to try 671 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 2: to explain it is that the roast. The roast was 672 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 2: not a good thing for Jess and I. We definitely 673 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 2: had our difficulties with that, and there are some jokes 674 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 2: said that kind of rocked the boat for Jess. So 675 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 2: she was not in the best headspace coming out of 676 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 2: that roast and was not happy just in general about 677 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 2: the day situation with Katie in general, and then some 678 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 2: things that triggered her in the in the roast. 679 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 4: And so yeah, because we see you ask for like, 680 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 4: are you sure you're okay, and she's like I'm fine, 681 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 4: like basically leave me alone, Like she's obviously god okay, 682 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 4: but she's like doesn't want to talk about it. 683 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, exactly, there's some things that she wasn't 684 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 2: happy about. Both on my end she wasn't happy about, 685 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 2: and then she had jokes that also triggered her on 686 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 2: top of everything else. So she definitely wasn't in a 687 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 2: great place. At the end of the night after roast, 688 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,200 Speaker 2: we were not in a good place. I remember walking 689 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 2: away being very frustrated and just like what I'm what 690 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,720 Speaker 2: is happening? Yeah? So yeah, the next day, waking up, 691 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 2: I just knew that it was going to be a 692 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 2: pivot conversation that we need to have the direction it 693 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 2: was going to go in. I had an idea. Did 694 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,480 Speaker 2: I think that it could potentially be turned around based 695 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 2: on responses and you know her having a data fully 696 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 2: grasped and think about everything that went on. Yeah, yeah, 697 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 2: that conversation is definitely a pivotal want to leave it. 698 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 1: That okay, Yeah, that's that's what we assume, and then. 699 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 3: We have to ask before we're going to do a 700 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 3: little game with you. 701 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 4: But we've seen a lot of like social media sturing 702 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 4: the pod or I don't know what you want to 703 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 4: call it. With you and Katie, it looked like she 704 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 4: was at like some event you had. There's been some 705 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,120 Speaker 4: photos posted. I literally had a friend text me and 706 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,760 Speaker 4: be like, are Blak and Katie dating? 707 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 3: Like, I'm so confused, what's happening? Do you want to 708 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:46,960 Speaker 3: comment on that? 709 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 2: Role? So Eils, I mean you'll see with well you 710 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:56,120 Speaker 2: saw with the episode. It was a very cordial, mutual, 711 00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:02,000 Speaker 2: mature conversation that allowed us to like essentially connected in 712 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:06,160 Speaker 2: the outside world, but a very friendly manner to the 713 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:12,840 Speaker 2: point where now it just feels truly just supportive. It's 714 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:14,480 Speaker 2: like she bounces off to hears I mean she's going 715 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,080 Speaker 2: on on that other show. We're able to connect the 716 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:18,920 Speaker 2: outside world in a way that like you should have 717 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,440 Speaker 2: a healthy or can have a healthy relationship with an 718 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:26,799 Speaker 2: X that's good. And so that's where that is. And 719 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:30,560 Speaker 2: so when the event was happening in San Diego, I 720 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,279 Speaker 2: was going to invite her, especially with some of the 721 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:36,200 Speaker 2: other Bachelor folks coming, and so yeah, it was a 722 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:37,799 Speaker 2: lot of fun that night and glad she came and 723 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 2: it was Yeah, it was it was a good support 724 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,080 Speaker 2: because I think prior to our relationship a lot of 725 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,320 Speaker 2: that thing maybe rock the boat a little thing a 726 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 2: little bit, and I think it there's a little bitspite 727 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:50,719 Speaker 2: there with me traveling a lot and not be able 728 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:52,840 Speaker 2: to spend as much time as we maybe liked, and 729 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,160 Speaker 2: so her coming around in another sense and really supporting 730 00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,440 Speaker 2: that work now is a really nice and appreciative thing. 731 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,359 Speaker 2: That Yeah, it's great. 732 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:03,439 Speaker 3: Nice, that's great, that's great. 733 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:07,080 Speaker 1: So mature. Okay, Blake, let's play a game rappid fire 734 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 1: questions you ready? 735 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:09,480 Speaker 2: All right? 736 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:11,480 Speaker 1: Are you more of an introvert or extrovert? 737 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:11,960 Speaker 2: Introvert? 738 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 1: I don't know if I buy that, Dude, really I 739 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:21,120 Speaker 1: buy that. I mean, pol might have say, but just 740 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 1: being a being out with you, I just feel like 741 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:24,920 Speaker 1: you're you're more of an extra people. 742 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,439 Speaker 2: Right, Introverts use alcohol to like help in those social 743 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,000 Speaker 2: settings because I'm not a social butterfly and that alcohol 744 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,279 Speaker 2: helps me so and every time we see each other, 745 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,040 Speaker 2: I'm usually at least five tequila's in, right, So. 746 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess that's true. Yeah that's surprising. But but 747 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:44,799 Speaker 1: you're very personal, like even right now, like you come 748 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,040 Speaker 1: on this podcast, you don't really have any hesitation. 749 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,759 Speaker 4: I would argue Joe that you're partially an introvert. Ye, 750 00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:54,440 Speaker 4: you're quite an interest, but you're still social. 751 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, i'd say we're probably similar. Okay, I should have 752 00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:00,319 Speaker 1: just kept my mouth shut. I apologize. Well, what would 753 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,040 Speaker 1: be what would be your go to paradise cocktail? 754 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,200 Speaker 2: Tequila, soda online and shock nice? 755 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:08,880 Speaker 1: Now, what is the first thing you would buy if 756 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:09,880 Speaker 1: you won the lottery? 757 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 2: Oh, land for like in a sanctuary, like an exotic sanctuary. 758 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:18,479 Speaker 1: What is your go to pump up song? 759 00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:23,520 Speaker 2: Oh? Man, Oh, it's something with the training. I'm terrible 760 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,440 Speaker 2: with music, dude. Uh train and vein as that was 761 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:30,000 Speaker 2: the vein and train. I don't know. Sorry, terrible music 762 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:30,960 Speaker 2: is one thing I suck at. 763 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:35,759 Speaker 1: That's fine. This question, I think this question makes you 764 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,360 Speaker 1: curious to hear what you say. What is one item 765 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:40,359 Speaker 1: on your bucket list? 766 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,800 Speaker 2: Oh, I want to go up to North North Canada, 767 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,440 Speaker 2: like eat like seal blubber and see how it's like, 768 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:50,560 Speaker 2: and see how they live up there and like igloos 769 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,680 Speaker 2: and actually do the Canada that you think is what 770 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:53,840 Speaker 2: every Canadian. 771 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,200 Speaker 1: Is seal blubber. 772 00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, like you know how they they literally live out 773 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,839 Speaker 2: up in the middle of nowhere and do they really 774 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,839 Speaker 2: live off the land, And it's like, yeah, I want 775 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:05,439 Speaker 2: to do that. I want to do an extreme thing 776 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:05,960 Speaker 2: like that. 777 00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:08,440 Speaker 1: I would maybe do that with no. 778 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:09,719 Speaker 2: You wouldn't you do it? 779 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:13,600 Speaker 3: Day could be like is there four seasons up here? 780 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:14,640 Speaker 2: I'm good in the court? 781 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,080 Speaker 1: Okay, do you have any Do you have any dating 782 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:17,920 Speaker 1: deal breakers? 783 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:26,880 Speaker 2: Mm? Hmmm dating deal breakers? Not really, man, I'm pretty 784 00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,000 Speaker 2: I mean, there's bread flags for sure, but like a 785 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,200 Speaker 2: deal breaker dating like I would want to date you me. 786 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:38,480 Speaker 4: Like I wouldn't date someone if they like weren't willing 787 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,080 Speaker 4: to move to Canada, or if they were like rude 788 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:41,640 Speaker 4: to wait. 789 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,240 Speaker 1: Staff or in your face. 790 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:44,680 Speaker 2: I don't know. 791 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:47,440 Speaker 3: What an example. 792 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:51,360 Speaker 2: Not really, man, I'm pretty accepting. 793 00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:53,399 Speaker 3: What if they hated animals and they were. 794 00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:59,720 Speaker 2: Animals, if they had like no, if if I educated 795 00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:01,640 Speaker 2: them on the things that I'm passionate with that make 796 00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:04,000 Speaker 2: a lot of sense and they were ignorant to those 797 00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,799 Speaker 2: after the fact and didn't, then yeah, that would that 798 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:07,959 Speaker 2: would really throw me off. 799 00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,200 Speaker 1: What is your favorite place in the whole world? 800 00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:15,360 Speaker 2: I don't want to say my college, but like my 801 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,640 Speaker 2: cottage probably, or or Kenya probably. 802 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:20,400 Speaker 3: My grandparents are from Kenya. 803 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,040 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, actually, yeah, you haven't been. 804 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,360 Speaker 1: I'm really glad. We I'm really glad we had it 805 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:26,319 Speaker 1: this question on here? 806 00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,719 Speaker 4: Wait, where's your cottage, Blake, It's like our month of 807 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,920 Speaker 4: bell the Kingston. What lake is it on? 808 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,439 Speaker 2: You wouldn't know at Mississauga on It's in Lando Lakes 809 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,800 Speaker 2: Region near Bonnetti Provincial Park. 810 00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:43,360 Speaker 1: If you could go on any other reality. 811 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:47,640 Speaker 2: Show, easy, there's a couple uh naked and afraid. There 812 00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,320 Speaker 2: is a challenge, self challenge and. 813 00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,760 Speaker 3: Joe literally just choked about going to that show. 814 00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,120 Speaker 2: Or like alone, like something where it's a self challenge 815 00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,280 Speaker 2: like out in the Woods probably or like Special Forces 816 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,120 Speaker 2: would be cool too, because I think I do do 817 00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:04,640 Speaker 2: it on that, but like something like that. 818 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,200 Speaker 1: What is your love language? 819 00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,160 Speaker 2: Uh? Physical touch? Probably quality time? 820 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:14,600 Speaker 1: Favorite dessert? 821 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,319 Speaker 2: I look like I look like a simple carrot cake, Joe. 822 00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:19,759 Speaker 2: I like something simple like that. 823 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:26,320 Speaker 3: Care I thought you're gonna take a twenty ingredient cake. 824 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:29,840 Speaker 2: I never wake it, but like, yeah, oh interesting, I 825 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:30,200 Speaker 2: didn't know. 826 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, I know care cake always kind of like shave 827 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:33,440 Speaker 4: the carrots. 828 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:34,439 Speaker 3: That takes some time. 829 00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:36,960 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I'm also a fan of a simple 830 00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:42,120 Speaker 1: I like a simple chocolate cake too. Most important item 831 00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:43,239 Speaker 1: to pack for paradise. 832 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:52,040 Speaker 2: Mhm uh for me, it's my my, like my this 833 00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:53,799 Speaker 2: is this is important to me. I need to keep 834 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,120 Speaker 2: this so like a beer trimmer, like I need to 835 00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,839 Speaker 2: need to be a certain So okay. 836 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,959 Speaker 1: If you can live as an animal, what animal would 837 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:02,239 Speaker 1: it be? 838 00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,399 Speaker 2: A loon? What a loon? 839 00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:06,520 Speaker 1: A loon? 840 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:08,400 Speaker 2: Yeah? Do you know what that is? 841 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:09,759 Speaker 3: I don't think you would know what that is. 842 00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:10,719 Speaker 1: I don't know what it is. 843 00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,839 Speaker 2: Well, just play this, play their noise that they make, right, 844 00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,320 Speaker 2: and it might trigger, it might trigger. 845 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:18,000 Speaker 3: Do you know what a looney is? 846 00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,280 Speaker 1: A looney? Yeah, like a looney tune. 847 00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:27,080 Speaker 4: So a looney is Canada's one dollar coin and on 848 00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:31,440 Speaker 4: it is a loon, which is like it's like it's 849 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:35,120 Speaker 4: a bird. Okay, it would be similar, ask to like 850 00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,280 Speaker 4: a goose or a like geese. 851 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:44,879 Speaker 2: But it's yeah, like waterfowl. They swim their elegant there, 852 00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:48,600 Speaker 2: prettynic iconic. You will send you a link after you'll know. 853 00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:52,880 Speaker 1: Exactly you guys don't have to all right, Uh, thank you, Blake, 854 00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:56,239 Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming on, thanks for having me, 855 00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,120 Speaker 1: and thank you to everyone for tuning in. And remember 856 00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:03,000 Speaker 1: no new episodes of Golden Bachelor or Bachelor in Paradise 857 00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:06,000 Speaker 1: this week, but make sure to tune in November thirtieth 858 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,520 Speaker 1: for the live finale of Golden Bachler followed by a 859 00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:11,680 Speaker 1: new episode of Bachelor in Paradise. 860 00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,759 Speaker 4: And even though there's no new TV episodes this week, 861 00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,319 Speaker 4: we'll still have new episodes of Bachelor Happy Hours, so 862 00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,719 Speaker 4: make sure to tune in because we have something a 863 00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:21,520 Speaker 4: very special plan for you all. 864 00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:23,919 Speaker 1: Thanks again everyone, and see you next time.