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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyon. This episode number two hundred and sixteen,

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Speaker 1: and today in the show, Dan and I are joined

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Speaker 1: by a brand new hunter and we're taking on the

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Speaker 1: enormous task of trying to teach him everything he needs

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Speaker 1: to know to get started deer hunting in just an

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Speaker 1: hour and a half. All right, welcome to the Wired

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Speaker 1: to Hunt podcast. And today on the show, we're doing

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Speaker 1: something that I've wanted to do for a long time now,

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Speaker 1: and I've kind of had it on my list of

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Speaker 1: to do is, but I kept pushing off, pushing off,

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Speaker 1: pushing it off, and only we're now doing it, and

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Speaker 1: that is providing a beginner's guide to deer hunting. Um.

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Speaker 1: And you know, the huge proportion of our audience, probably

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Speaker 1: the majority will definitely the majority of our audience for

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Speaker 1: this podcast is comprised of of really serious, really experienced

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Speaker 1: deer hunters, deer hunters that that don't need a beginner's guide.

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Speaker 1: So to those of you in that group, don't turn

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Speaker 1: this one off yet. Because there is something here for

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Speaker 1: you too. But I also get lots and lots of

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Speaker 1: emails and messages from people on the other side of

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Speaker 1: looking for help, asking me all sorts of questions, um

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Speaker 1: or or talking about the fact that you know, up

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Speaker 1: But I've always wanted to provide something better, something I

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Speaker 1: those of you who are new to all this. And

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Speaker 1: so that's what I want to do here today. We're

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Speaker 1: going to cover everything that Dan and I can think

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Speaker 1: of to help get a brand new deer hunter started.

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Speaker 1: And to help us do that, I've got a guest.

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Speaker 1: And this is where I think this episode gets particularly interesting,

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Speaker 1: even if you're an experienced hunter, because this guest is

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Speaker 1: to actually provide kind of you know, this podcast is

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Speaker 1: speaking to new hunters. Now, we're actually have a new

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Speaker 1: and to say, hey, this doesn't make sense, or Hey

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Speaker 1: tell me more about this, or hey that's all great,

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Speaker 1: but what I really want to know about is A

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Speaker 1: to a couple of cool things. Um. Number one, like

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Speaker 1: I just kind of mentioned, we're gonna get to cover,

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Speaker 1: you know, the questions and concerns that new hunters really have.

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Speaker 1: I think that if me and Dan just did this

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Speaker 1: actually having Conn here with us, he's going to call

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Speaker 1: get to that dan, um. And then number two, if

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Speaker 1: I gotta tell you something for you know, congrats on

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Speaker 1: the big news that just went down last week between

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Speaker 1: you and meat eater Man. That's uh from from you know,

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Speaker 1: a big thing. Thank you, buddy, I really appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: And uh, I appreciate all of your contributions and help

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Speaker 1: Because you're absolutely right. Whenever I'm around you, guys, I

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Speaker 1: You've got a great big brownie point trip coming up,

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Speaker 1: thank our partners at White Tail Properties, and then we

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Speaker 1: planned on the next one. Yeah, I mean that, that's

428
00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,359
Speaker 1: that's so cool for me to hear. I love hearing

429
00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:55,720
Speaker 1: your thoughts and your experiences from that, um, because it

430
00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:57,679
Speaker 1: is something that you know, Dan and myself and so

431
00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,320
Speaker 1: many of others we have. We have this deep love

432
00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,280
Speaker 1: for this, for this activity, for this lifestyle, and there's

433
00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:05,119
Speaker 1: so many people that have never been exposed to in

434
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:08,240
Speaker 1: any way, shape or form, and sometimes there's negative kind

435
00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,840
Speaker 1: of connotations or stereotypes around it to make them think

436
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,840
Speaker 1: that it's something they never would want to get involved in. Um.

437
00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:16,280
Speaker 1: But to hear someone have such a positive experience like

438
00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:20,440
Speaker 1: you did, UM, that's that's encouraging. So um that's kind

439
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:21,880
Speaker 1: of why I want to get you on the podcast

440
00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,960
Speaker 1: now though, Connor was because I know you're interested in

441
00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,399
Speaker 1: going on future hunt. I think that future hunt should

442
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,959
Speaker 1: be a deer hunt, So UM, me and Dan are

443
00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:33,400
Speaker 1: gonna try to prepare you for that future hunt. If

444
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,360
Speaker 1: you're up for a little bit of deer hunting one

445
00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,560
Speaker 1: on one, what do you say I am a perfect

446
00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,640
Speaker 1: student for deer hunting one on one because I I'm

447
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:46,440
Speaker 1: starting at square one. I got my notepad out right now. Awesome, Dan,

448
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,800
Speaker 1: any thoughts before we dive into the curriculum. Did you

449
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:51,879
Speaker 1: like kind of story? And doesn't that Isn't that like

450
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:55,640
Speaker 1: a great thing to hear? Right now? Here's the deal

451
00:22:56,720 --> 00:23:01,359
Speaker 1: because oftentimes when you have a season or your first

452
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 1: hunting experience like what he had, Connor, I'm just preparing

453
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:11,960
Speaker 1: you that hunting is not always on guaranteed success. So

454
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,680
Speaker 1: for me especially, I went years and years without being

455
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 1: successful and had to appreciate nature. Um, so just remember

456
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,200
Speaker 1: that next year, if you don't get a bird, or

457
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,960
Speaker 1: if you don't run into a turkey, to stay patient,

458
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:30,440
Speaker 1: stay calm, and you're gonna get frustrated, because we all do.

459
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:34,160
Speaker 1: But uh it that every time you have a really

460
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:35,879
Speaker 1: shitty season and you come out of it and the

461
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:41,399
Speaker 1: next season is great, you just appreciate it that much more. Yeah. No,

462
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,399
Speaker 1: I totally understand that too, And that's one of the

463
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,159
Speaker 1: things that that Mark and Steve we're telling Jason and

464
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,440
Speaker 1: I as well as like listen, man, you guys were

465
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,959
Speaker 1: spoiled getting one within the first hour that is that

466
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:54,359
Speaker 1: does not happen. Um, So no, that yeah, that's definitely

467
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:55,920
Speaker 1: something I got in the back of my mind for sure.

468
00:23:56,320 --> 00:24:01,200
Speaker 1: It's also go ahead. Also, do you have a girlfriend

469
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:07,680
Speaker 1: right now? I do not? Okay, good? Good, because if

470
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 1: you had a girlfriend oral wife right now and you

471
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:14,080
Speaker 1: started getting into hunting, that's just the recipe for disaster. Man.

472
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,359
Speaker 1: So so now that you're falling in love with this,

473
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:21,640
Speaker 1: it might be Uh, it's definitely a conversation that's gonna

474
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 1: have to be had with whoever. You know, your next

475
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:28,680
Speaker 1: partner is like, Hey, I'm a hunter now I I

476
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 1: go away for a long periods of time. It's good

477
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 1: to be good to be getting a head start before

478
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,600
Speaker 1: the relationship. Um. But to your earlier point to Dan,

479
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,679
Speaker 1: that's almost like the perfect place to start when it

480
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 1: comes to when it comes to this, that being to

481
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:48,639
Speaker 1: have you know, reasonable expectations, like it should not be

482
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:50,720
Speaker 1: your expectation that when you head out for a hunt,

483
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 1: especially early on, that you're going to get a deer

484
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 1: or turkey or a squirrel or a rabbit or whatever

485
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,199
Speaker 1: it is that you're hunting, that you're gonna get one

486
00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 1: right away or every time. Um, and aren't in any

487
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 1: hunt is it's a challenge, it's going to take a

488
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:04,440
Speaker 1: lot of work. It's gonna take a lot of mistakes

489
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 1: and learning from those mistakes and getting better. Um So.

490
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 1: One of the things I feel like happens with a

491
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 1: lot of people that maybe don't have a mentor or

492
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 1: someone who can kind of walk them through all this

493
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,359
Speaker 1: stuff is that they go out there and then it

494
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 1: doesn't go well, and they try a handful of times maybe,

495
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,360
Speaker 1: and they just get frustrated, they get disheartened, and they

496
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 1: give up. Um So, I think, right out the gate gate,

497
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 1: don't give up, Like realize it's gonna be a challenge,

498
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 1: but it is so worth it once you start wrapping

499
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 1: your head around these things, and it takes time. And

500
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 1: for context, I grew up in a hunting family, like

501
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 1: I grew up learning stuff related to hunting right from

502
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 1: the time I was walking pretty much. And I still

503
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 1: didn't kill my first deer until I was I think

504
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:44,959
Speaker 1: it was eighteen years old or something like that. So

505
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 1: I had a lot of years, a lot of time

506
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 1: spent hunting right, never filled the tag um So. And

507
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:56,479
Speaker 1: I think Dan, you were you know, a teenager too, right, Oh,

508
00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 1: I started uh, deer hunting, nothing serious. I come from

509
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 1: a deer hunting or a hunting family. We fished and

510
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,439
Speaker 1: my uncles did some trapping, but there was no hunting

511
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 1: in our family until I was about twelve or fourteen.

512
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 1: I can't really remember when I started, but I didn't

513
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,719
Speaker 1: kill my first deer with a bow until I was

514
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 1: So there you go a lot of a lot of

515
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 1: a lot of bumps on the road along that way, right, absolutely. Yeah,

516
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 1: and you guys, you guys both prefer bows. Well, yeah,

517
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,919
Speaker 1: I would say that I think for not everyone, but

518
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 1: for a lot of people. Once you get like really

519
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 1: serious into hunting and you do it a lot, you

520
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 1: just want to find ways to extend your season. You

521
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 1: want to have as much time spent outdoors. There's many

522
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 1: different opportunities. Um and so yeah, moving to two archery

523
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,199
Speaker 1: equipment is a way to do that. It makes it

524
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 1: much more challenging. It also opens up much longer seasons,

525
00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 1: um and it's it is a different experience. UM. So

526
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 1: that's a good point. Though. I think most of what

527
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,120
Speaker 1: we'll talk about here today we'll kind of well, I'll

528
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,399
Speaker 1: try to frame once we get into some of the

529
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 1: strategy and stuff, maybe we should like. As we go

530
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: through this, Dan, we'll say, if you're if you're hunting

531
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,640
Speaker 1: with a bow, you know, think about X. If you're

532
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 1: hunting with a gun, you can think about why. Um.

533
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 1: And that's another thing I guess I would say too,

534
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:25,959
Speaker 1: is that if you're beginning using a firearm, probably is

535
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: what most people used to get started, simply because it's

536
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 1: a little bit easier to figure that out. It's a

537
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 1: little bit more of I think people become more comfortable

538
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 1: with a firearm more quickly than with a bow. Um.

539
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 1: So would you agree with that, Dan, that for most people,

540
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 1: starting with a firearm might be the best way unless

541
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 1: they're already like really interested in archery or already experienced

542
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 1: with archery. Um, if you don't have like a passion

543
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,400
Speaker 1: for that right out the get go, a firearm might

544
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 1: be the easiest way to get started and get in

545
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 1: the field. Would you Is that about right? You know,

546
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna agree with an asterisk because I because the

547
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 1: statistics are showing that crossbow hunting is on the rise

548
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 1: big time. So if you kind of want the best

549
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: of both worlds, let's say like a state like Ohio

550
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:13,439
Speaker 1: I believe allows crossbow hunting or other states that allow

551
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 1: you to use a crossbow to hunt. That might be

552
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:20,439
Speaker 1: that might be a good first start for somebody, Um,

553
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:24,919
Speaker 1: just because you get to have the archery season, but

554
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: use a weapon that's a little bit more accurate, uh,

555
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 1: and have some more long range opportunities than than a bow.

556
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 1: That's a really good point. That's a very good point.

557
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 1: It's kind of the best of both worlds for a beginner.

558
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 1: That is a great way to go. Um. Right, I'm

559
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: glad you mentioned that. So here here's kind of where

560
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: I want to go with this, and I kind of layout,

561
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 1: like the the planned the outline of, at least in

562
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 1: my head, how how I'm going to walk you through

563
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: this counter. I kind of want to talk to you

564
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 1: a little bit about kind of the biology and behavior

565
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 1: of deer, so kind of get you just a little

566
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 1: bit of a foundation as far as how deer operate,

567
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 1: what matters to them, the things that we as hunters

568
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: need to know about them. And then we're gonna talk

569
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: through a little bit about how to find a place

570
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: to hunt, how to then you know, get you know,

571
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: prepared for the hunt. You know, so where to look

572
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: for deer, where to set up, where you're going to

573
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 1: hunt some of those things that you just need to

574
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: know before you actually have the hunting season open. And

575
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: then we'll talk about things that we're thinking about when

576
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 1: you actually go out there in the woods on that

577
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: day when you are going to hunt, stuff like, you know,

578
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: when should I go out, how long should I stay out,

579
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: what should I do I'm out there in the woods,

580
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 1: things like that. Um, we'll talk about what happens when

581
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: you're actually about to take a shot at a deer,

582
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: and then finally what to do afterwards. So how do

583
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 1: you know, how do you deal with it? Gut it,

584
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: clean it, get it out of the woods. A little

585
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 1: bit about processing, a little bit about you know, how

586
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 1: to get that in the freezer and make sure you've

587
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 1: got good food to eat. So that's kind of the

588
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 1: direction at a very very high level. I'm thinking of taking, um,

589
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: but well I'm sure we'll take a winding path to

590
00:29:55,960 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: get there. Um. So first off, and Dan, you jump

591
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 1: in here whenever you whenever you want. But the first

592
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 1: I thought we should talk about deer the animal itself,

593
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: all right. So white tailed deer are, if not one

594
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 1: of the very most prolific mammals in North America, or

595
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: at least in the United States and really across North America.

596
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 1: They're almost across the entire lower forty eight states. So

597
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: as far as like big game species, UM, they are

598
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 1: probably the greatest opportunity out there for people because they're

599
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 1: so present, they're very adaptable. They can live outside of

600
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: New York City. They can live in the farm country

601
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 1: of Iowa by dan they can live UM in northern

602
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 1: idao and the mountains. They can live in southern Florida

603
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 1: and the swamps. They're kind of all over the place,

604
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: so it's it's the kind of animal that is most

605
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 1: likely going to be somewhere near you. And they are

606
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 1: a beautiful, fascinating, interesting animal. They're challenging animal to understand

607
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: and hunt, and they provide some of the absolute best

608
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 1: food out there. I mean, venison is is just off

609
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: the charts as far as good a protein to eat. UM.

610
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 1: But they're smart, they're cag So a few things need

611
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 1: to know about a deer. If you're gonna try to

612
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: hunt a deer, you need to realize that they have

613
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 1: three senses that are constantly providing them kind of their

614
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: their defense mechanisms to make sure that they can stay alive.

615
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: Number one, Their strongest sense is smell, so they have

616
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: tremendous noses um their sense of smell compared to us humans.

617
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: I don't remember what the ratio is, but I'd say

618
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 1: it's something like a thousand times more scent receiving kind

619
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: of receptacles or whatever might be in that knows that

620
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 1: allows them to pick up just so much greater detail

621
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: in smell. They can smell from a much, much greater distance.

622
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 1: So that's something you always have to be thinking about.

623
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: And this is different than turkeys because turkeys they don't

624
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: really have that strong sense of smell. So when we're

625
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: hunting those turks, we never really considered what if, you know,

626
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 1: if they might smell us or anything. We're just worried

627
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: about them seeing us. But with deer, you have to

628
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 1: think about scent all the time. So you'll hear us

629
00:31:58,000 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: talk a little bit later about worrying about our wind

630
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 1: when we say we gotta watch where our wind is blowing.

631
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 1: That's basically where our scent is going and making sure

632
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: that deer aren't going to be where our scent is

633
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 1: blowing to because that's a good way to scare those

634
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 1: deer way right, away. That's that's super interesting, and that

635
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: does provide an added layer of challenge. Are there certain?

636
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 1: And this is going to be a complete wrong term. Certain,

637
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: like perfumes you guys would have to wear when you

638
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: go deer hunting that would sort of lessen your own

639
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 1: smell or you know, make a deer less suspicious that

640
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: humans might be, you know, in close proximity. Yeah, so

641
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: kind of the exact opposite. So rather than like using

642
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 1: some kind of well, some people do use a cover something,

643
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: but yeah, you need to do a handful of different

644
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,719
Speaker 1: things to try to minimize your scent as much as

645
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: possible or keep deer from smelling that human scent. So

646
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 1: there's tons and tons of stuff that people do to

647
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 1: try to eliminate their scent. So we'll we'll refer to

648
00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: that scent control um, so things like showering and washing

649
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 1: yourself and washing your clothes in scent free soaps and

650
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: sent free detergents, so stuff that cleans but has no

651
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: additional odor. Um. We me and Dan, will you know,

652
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: store all of our clothes in like air tight bins

653
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 1: or bags, will keep them outside or in our garage

654
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: or somewhere where they're not going to pick up smells. Um,

655
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 1: we won't get changed into our hunting clothes until you

656
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: know we're actually outside about to go hunting. So it's

657
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: different than again, turkey hunting. You know, before we went

658
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: turkey hunting, we're inside eating breakfast, wearing all of our

659
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 1: camera and stuff. I would never do that when I'm

660
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 1: deer hunting. I would wear totally different clothes when I'm

661
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: inside the house, and then when I get outside actually

662
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: like outside the truck, then I put my camouflage hunting

663
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: clothes on then and then I walk out to go hunting.

664
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: So very different that way. Um. There's different kind of

665
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 1: sprays that you can use that can eliminate some scent,

666
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: They destroy some scent milqueles. Um. There's a whole slew

667
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: of different things out there. I don't know if we

668
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: want to go into all the all the details, but

669
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: lots of stuff there, um, Dan at a high level.

670
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: Is there anything else you'd add on the on the

671
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,879
Speaker 1: scent piece, Yeah, just to put it into kind of perspective.

672
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: I read an article a while ago where um, a

673
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 1: guy mentioned that dear smell how humans see. So if

674
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: I look at you, I can see that you're wearing

675
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 1: a shirt, I can see that you have hair, and

676
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,359
Speaker 1: you have skin, and you have shoes on, and you

677
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 1: have pants on. A deer can smell in the detail

678
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: that we can see in, so they could smell your shirt,

679
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: and smell your hair and smell your shoes. M Yeah,

680
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:43,879
Speaker 1: that's kind of how they go about their world too.

681
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 1: Like I think our number, like as you said, like

682
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 1: a lot of how we function daily life is based

683
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: on the things we see, and that's kind of the

684
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 1: way it is with dear. Of course site is important

685
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 1: to them too, but they make a lot of decisions

686
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: based on what they smell. They communicate a lot through

687
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 1: smells as well. Um, we'll talk about this a little

688
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 1: bit later, Connor, but you might remember that one day

689
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 1: you and we were walking through the woods and I

690
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: pointed out something I call a scrape and we talked

691
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 1: about some of the things that are communicated there. Um,

692
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:16,439
Speaker 1: that's all through mostly through smells. Um. So, so scent

693
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: is just a huge deal in the white tailed deer world,

694
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 1: any kind of dear world. Um. And so that's just

695
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,800
Speaker 1: something that as a beginner hunter definitely be thinking about

696
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 1: that and what We'll get a little bit more into

697
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 1: this as far as how that impacts how you hunt.

698
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 1: But important to note deer have incredible noses. They also

699
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:37,359
Speaker 1: have great eyes. They've got really terrific eyesight. Um. They

700
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 1: have much better low light sight than we humans do,

701
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 1: so they can see really well after dark, especially it

702
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 1: kind of the edges of dark, so early in the morning, um,

703
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: just at first light or late in the evening, just

704
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: before it gets dark, and that is like their prime

705
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: time to see. So that is something we always be

706
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: considered about when we're out in the woods trying to

707
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 1: hunt them. So just like turkeys, you have to be

708
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: really slow when you move, and you're try not to

709
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 1: move as much as possible, um, because they've got a

710
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: great eye for catching movement and if they see movement,

711
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 1: or if they see human or they see something that

712
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: doesn't seem quite right, lots of times, that's gonna be

713
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 1: enough to get them to run away. Um. They've got

714
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 1: different color vision. They don't see as many colors as

715
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 1: we do. That's why people wear bright orange when they

716
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: hunt sometimes because that's something that humans see very well,

717
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:30,399
Speaker 1: but deer don't see it. Um. So that's a great

718
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: way to make sure that you know we as hunters

719
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:34,839
Speaker 1: during firearm seasons see other hunters out there and don't

720
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 1: accidentally shoot towards their direction or anything like that. Um.

721
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 1: But yeah, site have to be very aware of And

722
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: then finally, sound. They have tremendous ears. They can hear

723
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 1: from a very far distance. They have the ability to

724
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 1: kind of pinpoint locations of sounds even better than we

725
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: do as humans. So lots of times you'll see something

726
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 1: where maybe you'll make a noise to try to simulate

727
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: another deer, and if a deer hears that, they can

728
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,479
Speaker 1: sometimes get right to the bottom of like your tree,

729
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 1: like right where you are. They'll be all pinpoint you

730
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 1: from a hundred yards away and be right next to you,

731
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: just based off you know, one or two little sounds

732
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: you might have made. Um. But that also means as

733
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 1: a hunter, they can also pinpoint a sound that you

734
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: make and have that scare them. So if you make

735
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: you know, if you talk, or if you cough, or

736
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: if you you know, drop your gun or your bone

737
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 1: arrow or something like that, that's going to spell disaster. Um.

738
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:29,720
Speaker 1: So I remember as a kid when I was starting hunting,

739
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: it was just the bare bones basics that I knew

740
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 1: that were most important. Was don't move or at least

741
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: don't move fast. Um. And then don't make loud noises

742
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 1: like so, constantly whispering, constantly, very very slow subtle movements,

743
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: constantly trying to be hidden. Um. Those are those very

744
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: bare bone basics things of if you're out there in

745
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: the woods hunting deer, you need to be thinking about that,

746
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 1: and then layer over the fact that wind incent matters

747
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 1: a lot. And those are the main things you gotta

748
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 1: be thinking about when you're out there as far as

749
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: how do you operates this defense kind of system to

750
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: to stay alive. Um, it sounds like a deer has

751
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: some of the best sensory perception of any animal out there.

752
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 1: Basically they're right up there. Yeah, I mean they're right

753
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: up there with any other ungulate like a four legged mammal,

754
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: hooked mammal like elk, deer, moose. All these critters have

755
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,479
Speaker 1: got just tremendous senses. And I mean they're right. They've

756
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: been hunted for thousands and millions of years by whether

757
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 1: it's humans or wolves or whatever other predator might be

758
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: out there, so they've developed a lot of these things

759
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: too to try to stay alive. Um. Anything from a

760
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,439
Speaker 1: sense standpoint or high level biology standpoint we should touch

761
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: on Dan And I think I'm going to call this

762
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 1: a defense mechanism because they they have the most outstanding

763
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 1: patients of any animal that I've seen in the woods.

764
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: They they will sit there and they will watch whatever

765
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 1: they don't like or look or smell until they can

766
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: have enough I guess they can make their decision, you know,

767
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 1: yes it's safe or no it's not safe. And if

768
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: that takes him an hour, they will stand still in

769
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 1: one spot for one hour until they are able to,

770
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 1: you know, say it. You know, going down this trail

771
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: is safe or I need to turn around and go

772
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 1: back the other way. The patients that these animals have

773
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: has kept them alive, like, like we said, for thousands

774
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: of years. M One of the one of the things

775
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,839
Speaker 1: that I've always been curious on referring to the biology

776
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 1: are the antlers. And and Mark, this goes back to

777
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,240
Speaker 1: you finding I think I think it was Holy Fields

778
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 1: antlers in February. Are there certain indicators from Dear's antlers

779
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:57,879
Speaker 1: of their overall health or stature, et cetera. Man, it's

780
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 1: good questions. This is that's not that's like that's an

781
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 1: in depth question. Man, that's good stuff. Connor, you've been

782
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 1: doing your homework to bring the heat this early on.

783
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 1: But I've always been curious. So so I'll give you

784
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: antler one oh one here and to answer your question

785
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 1: at a really high level. Yes, definitely. UM, So dear,

786
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,479
Speaker 1: you know they grow you might you might not know this, Dear,

787
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: regrow the antlers every year, so they drop them in

788
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,760
Speaker 1: the winter and they start growing them again in the spring,

789
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 1: and so their brand new antlers every year. That they

790
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: grow just in a handful of months, which is pretty incredible. Um.

791
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: One of the fastest growing tissues I think out there, um,

792
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: either faster than or very close to as fast as

793
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 1: cancer cells grow. So it's pretty remarkable that they that

794
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: they grow this new appendage of sorts just in one season. UM.

795
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 1: But yeah, So antler growth depends on a couple of

796
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: different things. There is a genetic component, um, but a

797
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: lot of how big antlers get or how fully um

798
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 1: they reached. The antler growing potential does have to do

799
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 1: with how healthy that deer is, um. The nutrition available

800
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 1: sometimes the climate, you know, so if there's a drought

801
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: or if there's good water that year. A bunch of

802
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 1: different habitat. Things like that can impact how much antler

803
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: growth the deer will get in a given year. And

804
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: actually some studies have shown recently that then how large

805
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 1: deer's antlers are ends up being sometimes a selective characteristic

806
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: when it comes to females breeding. So they will select

807
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: for bigger antler deer, bigger antler bucks, because that's a

808
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 1: sign that this is a healthier, more superior buck for

809
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 1: her to propagate her genetics. So a lot of interesting

810
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 1: stuff with antlers. UM. And then of course there they're

811
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: very unique. I think antlers you're when you hear a

812
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: lot of hunters talk, We talk a lot about, you know,

813
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 1: the rack on her deer, and I think a lot

814
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:56,760
Speaker 1: of times it's because it oftentimes the most unique feature

815
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 1: of a buck. Um. It's that kind of un It's

816
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: like with a person, that's our face, right, I see

817
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,879
Speaker 1: your face, I see Dan's face, I see Whoever's face,

818
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,720
Speaker 1: and that's kind of how we identify that person. Um.

819
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: Lots of times dear's faces more often have somewhat similar

820
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 1: look to him. But the antlers are always very unique.

821
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 1: They're obviously unique. UM. And that's kind of like at

822
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: least two humans loss of times. That's kind of that

823
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 1: major identifier and makes to be some some interesting things too.

824
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,320
Speaker 1: So yeah, with holy Field, I picked up his antler

825
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 1: finally this year, and um, he's a he's a relatively healthy,

826
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 1: relatively old buck. That makes him an interesting one to

827
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 1: uh to chase after. Um so yeah, did I miss

828
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 1: anything of their dan? I don't think so. What I

829
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,879
Speaker 1: will say is, as we get further into this podcast

830
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 1: and and talking about the beginning hunter, right someone who

831
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: has never hunted before, Yes, that's a Those are nice

832
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:58,320
Speaker 1: fun facts, but I don't think antlers should determine what

833
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:02,839
Speaker 1: a beginning hunter should go after right away. So it's

834
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: it's great to know these, you know, these fun facts

835
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 1: and stuff, but I would recommend that antlers should not

836
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: be a determining factor in what you're going for as

837
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 1: a new hunters. To agree, I think that expectation, that

838
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 1: goals and expectations again are are so important I think

839
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 1: for beginners. And yeah, any deer is a huge accomplishment.

840
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 1: I think, you know, especially when you're right out the gate,

841
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 1: just trying to have some success, trying to get some

842
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 1: meat in the freezer. Um, any deer that you can

843
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: get a shot at is a great opportunity, and you know,

844
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 1: a great place to start. And some people never care

845
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 1: about different things. Some people eventually, once they hunt a lot,

846
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 1: then they decide, Okay, now I want to target just bucks,

847
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: or I want to target older deer, or I want

848
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: to target this dear. Different ways to to change that experience,

849
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 1: to lengthen that experience. Um. But yeah, from a beginner,

850
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: that's such a great point because a lot of the

851
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,959
Speaker 1: media out there, a lot of hunting media does talk

852
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 1: a ton about antlers, about big box and things like that, which,

853
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: as you said, Dan, they're fun, it's interesting, really cool.

854
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,839
Speaker 1: But as a new hunter, please don't get too caught

855
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 1: up in that. UM, just get some experience, enjoy this experience. UM,

856
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:19,720
Speaker 1: get some meat in the freezer. So, yeah, antlers are interesting,

857
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 1: but that's not not what it's all about. UM, got it.

858
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: So we talked about some high level senses. We talked

859
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:28,959
Speaker 1: about antlers a few things. When it comes to dear

860
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 1: behavior or things that matter to dear that I think

861
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 1: are important. There's really four things that deer's life revolves

862
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: around at a high high level. They care about food,

863
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 1: they care about water, they care about breeding opportunities at

864
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 1: one time of year, and then they care about security

865
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,839
Speaker 1: staying alive. So as a hunter, we need to be

866
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 1: understanding those things too. So we want to understand what

867
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 1: deer eat. We want to understand where water is a

868
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 1: deer might go to. We want to understand what dear

869
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 1: do when they're breeding because that impacts we hunt them.

870
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 1: And then we want to also understand how are they

871
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: trying to stay safe so that we can take advantage

872
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 1: of its hunters. Um So a couple of things on food.

873
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 1: Deer food is going to be different based on where

874
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: you're hunting. So if you're hunting deer in Texas versus

875
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 1: Michigan versus New Hampshire, they're gonna have different types of

876
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,839
Speaker 1: food sources that they like the most. Um. So it's

877
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,439
Speaker 1: probably not worth us trying to go through and list

878
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 1: every single different thing that deer will eat. But I

879
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 1: would just say for any new hunter out there, I

880
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 1: would try to talk to someone local to where you

881
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: hunt and to where you're gonna be and try to

882
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 1: understand what are the preferred food sources here for deer.

883
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 1: So in Michigan where you and we were hunting turkeys, um,

884
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 1: you know, there's lots of agricultural you know, farm ground

885
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: where we are at, and so deer are gonna eat

886
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:49,879
Speaker 1: a lot of those crops. Are gonna eat that corn,

887
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 1: They're gonna eat the soybeans, They're gonna eat the alfalfa

888
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 1: or the winter wheat. UM, they're gonna eat acorns that

889
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 1: fall from oak trees. They're gonna eat all sorts of

890
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 1: different bushes and forbes and different things in the forest.

891
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 1: So so that's just something that I would talk to

892
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,919
Speaker 1: someone local and figure out what are they eating around here,

893
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 1: and that's going to help you figure things out in

894
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:12,800
Speaker 1: the future. UM. Water is kind of a given ponds, streams, lakes,

895
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 1: little water holes, that kind of stuff matters to deer security.

896
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 1: I was just gonna ask what are UM what are

897
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 1: some of the ideal regions for both you know, climate

898
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 1: and food supply UM in the US for for deer HM.

899
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 1: So their present almost in every state in the lower

900
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 1: forty eight UM they're they're widely spread. But as far

901
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 1: as the very best deer habitat in the country, I

902
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 1: think most people would agree that it's in like the Midwest,

903
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: so kind of around you know, Iowa, Illinois, Kansas, Ohio, Indiana,

904
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: southern Michigan kind of like that corn belt of the

905
00:46:56,160 --> 00:47:00,760
Speaker 1: country just because it has you know, great habitat, tons

906
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 1: and tons of food, um, a lot of different things

907
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,240
Speaker 1: like that that just allow for kind of an optimal

908
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 1: situation for deer um in climate to the winners aren't

909
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: too hard there, but there are seasons. It's just kind

910
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 1: of a good level playing field that deer seem to

911
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 1: do very well. And um, would you agree with that

912
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: in absolutely? And like we keep getting back to, is

913
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: I mean they'll eat bark off trees, they'll eat cactuses,

914
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 1: they'll eat um, whatever they have to eat to survive,

915
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:35,439
Speaker 1: and they do a good job of surviving there. They're

916
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,439
Speaker 1: very adaptable, very deptable. I mean there's there'll be deer

917
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 1: in neighborhoods, you know, feeding on your landscaping in some places,

918
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:44,760
Speaker 1: so they can make a lot of things work. Um.

919
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 1: But one of the very most important things to dear

920
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 1: is is a feeling of safety. Security. So in some situations,

921
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 1: in most situations, they're going to try to avoid human activity.

922
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 1: So as a hunter, something you're gonna have to think

923
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 1: about when you start hunting is trying to make sure

924
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 1: that deer don't know that you're there, because if they

925
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,320
Speaker 1: do know you're there, they're gonna go to other places,

926
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 1: or they're only going to move at night where they're

927
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,399
Speaker 1: going to change their behavior in some other way. That's

928
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: that's not going to be good for you. So at

929
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 1: a super high level, it's just always good to think

930
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 1: about what are these deer doing because they want food,

931
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 1: they want water, and they want to stay away from

932
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: humans and other predators. Now, when it comes to breeding,

933
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 1: they do some different funky things, and that happens in

934
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 1: the fall. Usually for like us here in Michigan or Iowa,

935
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 1: usually in late October into November is when the breeding

936
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 1: season is happening. And then they start doing kind of

937
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 1: like you know, when guys go to the bar, they

938
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 1: sometimes act crazy because they're trying to impress women. That

939
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: kind of thing happens with dear too. During that time period.

940
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 1: They start acting a little bit different because they're trying

941
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 1: to find mating opportunities. So as a hunter, that can

942
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:48,320
Speaker 1: be one of the very best times of year to

943
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 1: be in the woods because they move a lot more,

944
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:54,919
Speaker 1: they're more they if they're gonna make a mistake, that's

945
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 1: the one time of year they might do it. UM,

946
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: so wherever you're hunting too, you'll want to find out

947
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,360
Speaker 1: when that you know, the specifics of that breeding season occur,

948
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 1: and um, that's going to help you choose, you know,

949
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 1: when to hunt sometimes as well. UM. A couple of

950
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 1: other things on the behavior note I talked about crepuscular earlier. Dan. Basically,

951
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 1: that just means that deer are an animal that moved

952
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 1: the most at the edges of the day, So they

953
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 1: move most at dawn, they move most at dusk. Those

954
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 1: are the two peaks of deer movement during every twenty

955
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 1: four hour period, so that hour or two around first

956
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 1: light in the morning the hour to last light in

957
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,399
Speaker 1: the evening, which is why those are the two best

958
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 1: times to hunt on a given day. UM. And it's

959
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 1: kind of similar, you know, Connor, how when we went

960
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 1: turkey hunting, we turkey hunted in the early morning and

961
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: then you know, we're turkey hunting in the evening as well,

962
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,879
Speaker 1: but we hunted even sometimes during the middle of the day.

963
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 1: There's not as much middle of the day movement usually

964
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 1: for deer as there is with turkeys. UM. Another thing

965
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:58,839
Speaker 1: to know about deer is that they followed generally consistent

966
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 1: patterns They've got basic kind of schedule, kind of like

967
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 1: we do. You know, most of us, we wake up,

968
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 1: we have some breakfast, we go to work, we come back,

969
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 1: we dinner, fiddle around, go to bed. Deer kind of

970
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 1: do the same thing. But their general pattern for most

971
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 1: of the year is that you know, in the early

972
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 1: morning they're out feeding, they come back to a betting area,

973
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 1: like a general region where they typically lay down for

974
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 1: most of the day in some kind of thick cover,

975
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 1: so thick brush or trees or somewhere they feel safe.

976
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 1: They spend most of the daylight hours betted down in

977
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 1: a safe zone, and then in the evening they get

978
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 1: back up again and they go start feeding, and then

979
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 1: overnight then they kind of rotate between feeding and betting

980
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 1: and doing different things like that. But generally there's that

981
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:50,839
Speaker 1: betting to feeding, feeding to betting pattern. Um So, if

982
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 1: you as a hunter learn where deer feed and then

983
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 1: you learn where they bed, you can start to know

984
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 1: where you need to be as a hunter. Um So,

985
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,359
Speaker 1: I don't know dan at the highest of levels here.

986
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 1: If we're talking about the important behavior to know about deer,

987
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 1: those are a couple of things I thought would be

988
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 1: important to know and then again, you know, I think

989
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 1: I touched enough during the breeding season, which people refer

990
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 1: to as the rut. They changed some of that behavior,

991
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 1: but anything else from just at what dear do that

992
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: we need to cover before talking about you know, Okay,

993
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 1: now how do we hunt them? No? My question is

994
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 1: to Connor, I mean, you just got a earful in

995
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 1: a very short period of time. Are there any questions

996
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 1: that you have right now that we can maybe go

997
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:36,839
Speaker 1: into a little bit more detail in of what Mark

998
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:40,359
Speaker 1: maybe just covered. Yeah, so I was curious on as

999
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 1: a beginning hunter and who's someone who is unfamiliar with

1000
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 1: some of the indicators you guys are pointing out how often?

1001
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure the answer is as much as

1002
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 1: you possibly can. But you know, during the off season,

1003
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 1: how much would you recommend, you know, sort of an

1004
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:59,800
Speaker 1: unseasoned hunter to go out and sort of familiarize themselves

1005
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:02,479
Speaker 1: with these indicators so they can get a better sense for,

1006
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 1: you know, some of the breeding behaviors and maybe some

1007
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 1: of the security behaviors before the actual season in the

1008
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 1: pursuit starts what you said, Dan, Well, here's what I'm

1009
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:19,799
Speaker 1: gonna tell you. For someone who's brand new and you

1010
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:23,880
Speaker 1: want to. And like Mark said, they have a majority

1011
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:26,720
Speaker 1: of the day they're lying down in the woods right there, betting,

1012
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:29,800
Speaker 1: and then towards the end of the day it starts

1013
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:31,919
Speaker 1: to get dark, they're gonna stand up out of there,

1014
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 1: they're gonna walk down some trail and they're going to

1015
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 1: go to a food source or a water source or

1016
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 1: maybe both. So what I would recommend doing for someone

1017
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 1: who's brand new is to get in the woods and

1018
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 1: try to identify some of those places just and it

1019
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 1: doesn't even have to be extremely detailed. Just maybe look

1020
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 1: for an older rub or look for walk through the woods,

1021
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 1: and if you kick up a deer, you just you know,

1022
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 1: put a mental note there say okay, well I saw

1023
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 1: a deer here, and then when it's time to hunt

1024
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 1: that following you know, that fall, then you have a

1025
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 1: good idea of actually where to start. Yeah, yeah, I

1026
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 1: think And to your point, Connor, as much as possible,

1027
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 1: it definitely is the answer because of the more time

1028
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 1: you spend out here in these habitats where deer are,

1029
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 1: the more you're gonna be able to learn this stuff

1030
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:27,919
Speaker 1: and what we call this and like the hunting world,

1031
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 1: we call it scouting. So when you go on the

1032
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:32,399
Speaker 1: property where you can hunt and scout, you can learn

1033
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff that will help you when hunting

1034
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 1: season actually opens up. So most deer hunting seasons open

1035
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:40,839
Speaker 1: up in the fall, so either in September or October,

1036
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 1: and they usually run into the early winter. Most places

1037
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 1: closed at the end of December or somewhere in January,

1038
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 1: give or take um. So in the spring and summer,

1039
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 1: if you can get out and walk around the areas

1040
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:55,800
Speaker 1: you're gonna hunt. And like Dan said, if you see

1041
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 1: some deer that go running away during the middle of

1042
00:53:57,680 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 1: the day, then you just learned where they were bedded.

1043
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:01,839
Speaker 1: So that's a great thing. If you have a map

1044
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 1: with you, circle that on your map and say, hey,

1045
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 1: there were dear bedded here. Or if you're out there

1046
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 1: in the evening and you're walking by a field and

1047
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 1: you see a bunch of deer standing in the middle

1048
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 1: of that field and they're feeding on something. All of

1049
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:14,800
Speaker 1: a sudden, now you've located a feeding a food source.

1050
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:17,320
Speaker 1: You've located somewhere where they're going in the evening's defeat.

1051
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 1: So that's a huge important thing to know. So circle

1052
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 1: that on your map and do that as often as

1053
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 1: you can you'll start to have this map that shows

1054
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 1: the betting areas, the feeding areas, and then maybe you'll

1055
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: see some trails. Basically, it'll look like like a hiking

1056
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 1: trail kind of in the woods where deer walk up

1057
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 1: and down this thing so many times going from a

1058
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:39,439
Speaker 1: bed to a food source. You can start to see

1059
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:42,400
Speaker 1: how they travel through the landscape. And so once you

1060
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:46,880
Speaker 1: identify those three features, it'll start to it'll start to

1061
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 1: be almost like a diagram that you can look at

1062
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 1: and say, Okay, here's where they're coming from, here's where

1063
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 1: they're going to, here's the travel path they're taking in between. Now,

1064
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, if you start knowing when they're

1065
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 1: doing each so we know that deer going to be

1066
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 1: feeding around those two points of the day early morning,

1067
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 1: late evening, and we know that during the middle of

1068
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 1: the day they're gonna be in those betting areas. You

1069
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 1: can start to say, Okay, if I'm trying to hunt

1070
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,319
Speaker 1: a deer in the morning, I know he's gonna be

1071
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 1: feeding in this field, probably because I saw them out

1072
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:16,919
Speaker 1: there doing this, and I know they're gonna be going

1073
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 1: back to that chunk of woods because I know I

1074
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 1: scared some deer out of there before than in the day. Now,

1075
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 1: you know, okay, in the morning, they're in area A,

1076
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,840
Speaker 1: they're heading to Area B. I'm gonna be sitting in

1077
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 1: between the two. So that's like a at a very

1078
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 1: high level, that's how we start kind of formulating how

1079
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:38,799
Speaker 1: to hunt these deer. Because different than turkeys, a lot

1080
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:42,319
Speaker 1: of deer hunting is kind of ambush related. So with

1081
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 1: turkey hunting, right, we walked out there in the morning

1082
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 1: and we listened for them, we heard them gobbling. We

1083
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:49,760
Speaker 1: walked over to where they're kind of near where they're gobbling.

1084
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:51,439
Speaker 1: Then we sat down and we called them. We brought

1085
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 1: them to us. In most deer hunting situations, that's usually

1086
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:58,319
Speaker 1: not how it goes. Usually you try to understand what

1087
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 1: you think the deer is gonna do, and then you

1088
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 1: set up and sit and wait for him to do that.

1089
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:04,840
Speaker 1: So you kind of set up this ambush because you

1090
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:06,920
Speaker 1: think he's going to come through this area where you

1091
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 1: think he's gonna be coming to this place, and then

1092
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 1: you set up there hiding in a tree or in

1093
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:14,720
Speaker 1: a little you know, behind some bushes, or you build

1094
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 1: what we call it blind something to sit in and

1095
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:20,839
Speaker 1: hide yourself and you sit and you wait, and then

1096
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 1: hopefully you predicted the right thing, and then that deer

1097
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 1: will come walking by and you're able to get a shot.

1098
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of um before the hunt work

1099
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 1: that's needed to put yourself in a good position to

1100
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 1: have a shot. UM. So it comes to scouting. I

1101
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:39,760
Speaker 1: guess we talked a lot about, you know, just walking

1102
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:42,319
Speaker 1: around and trying to mark these places on your map.

1103
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:45,279
Speaker 1: So look for those food sources. You know, maybe you'll

1104
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:47,400
Speaker 1: actually see a deer and you'll know, Okay, he was

1105
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:49,359
Speaker 1: out there, he was his head was on the ground,

1106
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 1: he was feeding on stuff. Okay, he's this is a

1107
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:54,239
Speaker 1: food source. Again, I would try to if you're new,

1108
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:56,359
Speaker 1: if you find some in the area who hunts there,

1109
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:58,320
Speaker 1: try to ask, like I said, ask what kind of

1110
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 1: stuff they feed on. And maybe this person is going

1111
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 1: to say, well, they eat acorns, and they eat apples,

1112
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 1: and they eat this one tree leaf, and they eat

1113
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:08,320
Speaker 1: corn and beans and anything else in the farm fields.

1114
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 1: So now when you're out there scouting at some other

1115
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 1: point of the year, you can walk around the woods

1116
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 1: and if you see some acorns in the ground, or

1117
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 1: if you see an old corn field, now you know, Okay, yeah,

1118
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 1: these are probably places that deer feeding. So you're just

1119
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 1: kind of building this map for yourself of of these

1120
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:26,440
Speaker 1: three kind of areas. And I think that's that's like

1121
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 1: a great beginning point to set yourself up to actually

1122
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 1: go into the hunting season knowing a few of these

1123
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 1: basic things. Um, I'm trying to think what kind of

1124
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 1: like it's almost like a board game and that you're

1125
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 1: trying to identify these different like key locations and then

1126
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 1: how will you get from point to point? But I

1127
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 1: just don't know what board game to to say it is. Um,

1128
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 1: have you have you guys noticed that maybe you know

1129
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 1: your strategies have changed season after season because obviously, as

1130
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 1: we talked about, deer or very perceptive animals, and perhaps

1131
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:03,160
Speaker 1: they'll change their ways to fulfill that security point that

1132
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 1: you were talking about. So if you notice that you

1133
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 1: know your own strategies is deer owners has to change

1134
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 1: season after season. Man, there's a good questions aren't they

1135
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 1: do it? Definitely? Definitely because because of that security need,

1136
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 1: their deer are constantly changing what they do based on

1137
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 1: human activity. So if a deer was you know, if

1138
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 1: the deer like to feed in the food source A,

1139
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 1: and they like to bed in bedding area B. And

1140
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 1: that's what they're doing consistently every day. Maybe. But if

1141
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 1: then I start going into the area and walking around

1142
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:40,440
Speaker 1: and scaring those deer everywhere every day, or accidentally, you know,

1143
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 1: my wind blowing to them and then finding out that

1144
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 1: I was there, then they will change their behavior totally.

1145
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 1: And so then use a hunter need to adjust to

1146
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 1: so season after season that happens sometimes, or that happens

1147
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 1: within a season, so you're always trying to minimize them

1148
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 1: hearing you or seeing you or smelling you, so they

1149
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 1: don't change that behavior. But they're really smart, they're survivors,

1150
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 1: so inevitably oftentimes they do UM, so you need to

1151
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 1: be aware of that and then try to adjust to that.

1152
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:12,040
Speaker 1: So this this kind of scouting, observing and then adjusting

1153
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 1: is like a never ending thing. You're constantly trying to

1154
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 1: learn what they're doing and then readjust how you set

1155
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 1: up to try to to try to ambush them again.

1156
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 1: UM agreed. Man, you mentioned you mentioned something about board game, right,

1157
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 1: I almost want to say it's like shoots and ladders, right,

1158
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 1: You work your way up and then all of a

1159
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 1: sudden you'll hit a slide and have to go way

1160
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 1: back to the beginning. It's kind of kind of like

1161
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 1: deer hunting. You'll you'll walk into the woods. You'll set

1162
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 1: up in a tree based off of whatever sign you've

1163
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 1: found or you know whatever. Let's say you you didn't

1164
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:47,640
Speaker 1: even scout the woods. You walk into a place, you

1165
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 1: think it's good. You set up there, and let's say

1166
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 1: you see a deer right and let's say the deer

1167
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 1: comes by, hits a certain point and runs away. Well,

1168
00:59:57,200 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 1: that means this deer probably smelled you. All right, Well

1169
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 1: now you have to say, okay, well what made this

1170
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 1: deer run away? Oh, it's because my wind was blowing

1171
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 1: right at him. Well, next time I have to be

1172
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:10,480
Speaker 1: if the wind is the same, I have to be

1173
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 1: on the opposite side of that trail, so my scent

1174
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:19,240
Speaker 1: won't go to where that deer was. So then you

1175
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 1: make that move right and then you realize that, well

1176
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 1: it's the same wind, but a different deer came from

1177
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:28,440
Speaker 1: a different direction and busted me, or it you know,

1178
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 1: nothing happened, or the deer came by me and I

1179
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 1: was able to get a shot at him. You just

1180
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 1: keep playing this game where you you make these small

1181
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:42,200
Speaker 1: moves or sometimes they're big moves or whatever moves to

1182
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 1: put yourself in a position to where you're within range

1183
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:50,880
Speaker 1: of what every weapon UH to UH to the deer

1184
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:53,920
Speaker 1: year after. I guess, yeah, it's a it's a lot

1185
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 1: of observation, trial and error. I think as a as

1186
01:00:57,560 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 1: a deer hunter getting started, a lot of you know,

1187
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:01,080
Speaker 1: you can go and you can do a lot of

1188
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 1: preparation ahead of time by scouting these things out, finding

1189
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:06,480
Speaker 1: these couple of things we've talked about. But then once

1190
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 1: you do start hunting, then it's a lot of what

1191
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:13,800
Speaker 1: Dan just said, observing what happens and then changing your

1192
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:18,680
Speaker 1: your hunt location, your ambush location for the next time

1193
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:20,479
Speaker 1: to try to be a little bit closer or to

1194
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:23,360
Speaker 1: to take what you learned and adjust your approach based

1195
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 1: on that. So there's gonna be a lot of trials,

1196
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 1: a lot of errors, a lot of you know, moving

1197
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:31,600
Speaker 1: a little bit more, figuring things out, fine tuning where

1198
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 1: you're sitting. But it's it's very much you know, as

1199
01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 1: we talked about, it's it's this ambush style, so you

1200
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:40,280
Speaker 1: kind of have to watch what happens on today and

1201
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 1: then tomorrow or next weekend or the next time you

1202
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:45,120
Speaker 1: can go and then you're able to try the new approach,

1203
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 1: the new location. UM. But it's it's very iterative. I

1204
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 1: think is is kind of what it what it comes

1205
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:53,440
Speaker 1: down to. So as far as that scouting, right, we

1206
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:55,720
Speaker 1: talked about finding where they're feeding. We talked about finding

1207
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:58,680
Speaker 1: where they're betting, and again, you know betting areas what

1208
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:02,400
Speaker 1: we're kind of referring to his betting years. One way

1209
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:04,480
Speaker 1: to find them, like Dan said, is to just walk

1210
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:06,760
Speaker 1: around during the day and see where deer go running

1211
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:09,200
Speaker 1: out of. Um. That's something you want to do, you know,

1212
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 1: not during hunting season. Hopefully, hopefully this is way ahead

1213
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:14,040
Speaker 1: of time. UM. But usually this is going to be

1214
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:16,480
Speaker 1: like an area that's really thick, you know, lots of bush,

1215
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:19,360
Speaker 1: lots of brush, lots of just where deer you know,

1216
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:22,520
Speaker 1: couldn't be seen easily at at the very generical level,

1217
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 1: that's kind of stuff typically they look for when they're

1218
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:29,080
Speaker 1: finding where they want to bed. UM. And then another

1219
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:31,680
Speaker 1: thing to look for when you're scouting is sign. And

1220
01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 1: by sign, we talked about trails. You want to look

1221
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:35,920
Speaker 1: for those actual trails through the woods that look like

1222
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:38,240
Speaker 1: hiking trails sort of that these deer go up and down.

1223
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:40,920
Speaker 1: You can see like actual deer tracks, you know, in

1224
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:43,120
Speaker 1: the mud, maybe on a trail or in a field

1225
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:45,440
Speaker 1: or wherever, and that just kind of indicates that there's

1226
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:47,360
Speaker 1: a lot of deer activity there. It's a good thing

1227
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:50,600
Speaker 1: to see. UM. And then Dan also mentioned rubs. He

1228
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:53,560
Speaker 1: mentioned that word rubs, And then earlier we talked about scrapes.

1229
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 1: I kind of explained that to you when we were

1230
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:58,000
Speaker 1: out in the woods that one day. UM. But for

1231
01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:00,240
Speaker 1: anyone new who who is not familiar with the rubs

1232
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:02,919
Speaker 1: and scrapes, I will give you just the the very

1233
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:05,240
Speaker 1: thirty tho ft overview of what these two things are,

1234
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:07,560
Speaker 1: because you'll see these things in the woods and you

1235
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 1: want to take note of them. So basically, a rub

1236
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:13,240
Speaker 1: is a tree. You're gonna see on a tree where

1237
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:17,160
Speaker 1: it looks like someone took um like claws or something

1238
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:19,040
Speaker 1: and just ripped up the side of a tree. And

1239
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 1: so there's gonna be like strings of bark and tree

1240
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:23,800
Speaker 1: stuff hanging off the side of a tree at about

1241
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:27,040
Speaker 1: maybe you know, anywhere from the knee to waste height.

1242
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:30,200
Speaker 1: Maybe that's a rub. And that basically is created by

1243
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:33,560
Speaker 1: deer rubbing his antlers up against that tree. There's a

1244
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:35,919
Speaker 1: whole bunch of stuff we go into that kind of

1245
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:38,600
Speaker 1: seasoned deer hunters think about when it comes to what

1246
01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:41,160
Speaker 1: rubs mean. But I will say it for just the beginner,

1247
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:44,200
Speaker 1: I would just look at that rub as an indication

1248
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:46,960
Speaker 1: that that a buck, that a deer has been through here,

1249
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:48,880
Speaker 1: and it means that this is just an area that

1250
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:52,400
Speaker 1: a buck travels through. That's another good piece of sign

1251
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 1: to just take into the equation and help you say, Okay, yep,

1252
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 1: there is a there is a buck moving through this area.

1253
01:03:57,480 --> 01:04:01,520
Speaker 1: It's another good thing to know. Um. Is it a

1254
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:05,800
Speaker 1: form of communication with the other deer or is it

1255
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:10,680
Speaker 1: sort of satisfying some sort of lack of a better term,

1256
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:13,680
Speaker 1: like an itch or is it just kind of unknown?

1257
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:16,320
Speaker 1: So there's two things that most people believe they're doing.

1258
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:20,600
Speaker 1: Number One, UM, I think I mentioned this before, but

1259
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:22,640
Speaker 1: in the summer, when deer are growing their antlers, they

1260
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:24,640
Speaker 1: have this fuzzy stuff on the outside of the antlers

1261
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:28,920
Speaker 1: that we call velvet. So that comes off usually early

1262
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:32,760
Speaker 1: September for most deer. So that first week in September

1263
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:35,640
Speaker 1: give or take a little bit, they are rubbing trees

1264
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:38,040
Speaker 1: to get that velvet and the extra velvet off of

1265
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:39,880
Speaker 1: their antlers. So they do some of that at that

1266
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:43,200
Speaker 1: time period, but most of the rubbing behavior happens during

1267
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:47,040
Speaker 1: and leading up to that mating season. And so some

1268
01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:48,440
Speaker 1: some people think it's like a little bit of a

1269
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:51,919
Speaker 1: communication mechanism because when they're rubbing that tree, there's these

1270
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:56,440
Speaker 1: glands that the deer have on their forehead and different

1271
01:04:56,440 --> 01:05:00,320
Speaker 1: parts of their face that release um, oh, what's the

1272
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:04,880
Speaker 1: word I'm looking here for? Um? Oh, gosh, We're just

1273
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:06,640
Speaker 1: gonna say chemicals because I can't think of what the

1274
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:08,640
Speaker 1: world on the tip of my tongue is. But they

1275
01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:13,520
Speaker 1: leave these these chemical uh communicators on the tree that

1276
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 1: came off of those glands off their forehead. Um. And

1277
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:18,320
Speaker 1: then it also some believe it's kind of like a

1278
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:21,479
Speaker 1: stress reliever too, because there's all this pent up energy. Again,

1279
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:23,800
Speaker 1: if we use like the bar metaphor, you've got this

1280
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:27,120
Speaker 1: male who is trying to find a mate and he's

1281
01:05:27,160 --> 01:05:29,480
Speaker 1: frustrated because it's not working out, maybe or because he

1282
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:31,920
Speaker 1: wants to fight another guy or something like that. So

1283
01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:34,480
Speaker 1: this is like a way to get that pent up

1284
01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:37,200
Speaker 1: sexual frustration out. They'll rip up a tree or rip

1285
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:40,160
Speaker 1: up a bush and Um, that's another thing that's going

1286
01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:43,680
Speaker 1: on with this these this rubbing behavior they build up.

1287
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:46,040
Speaker 1: They also use it to build up their neck muscles

1288
01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:51,000
Speaker 1: for fighting. So the pump and iron yeah, um. So

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01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:53,840
Speaker 1: then the scrapes are the other major piece of sign

1290
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:56,080
Speaker 1: that we see out there that the deer use and make.

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01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:59,480
Speaker 1: And this was that area that we saw when we

1292
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:01,680
Speaker 1: were walking around Connor where it looked like something that's

1293
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:03,960
Speaker 1: scraped up the ground and opened up this kind of

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01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:08,000
Speaker 1: oval of dirt in the middle of the woods. So basically,

1295
01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:09,760
Speaker 1: if you're walking through the woods and you see this

1296
01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:12,440
Speaker 1: what looks like just where all the leaves and grass

1297
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:13,720
Speaker 1: and stuff had been kicked out of the way, and

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01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:16,200
Speaker 1: you just kind of see a dirt patch, that is

1299
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:20,040
Speaker 1: a scrape. And for the I think all we need

1300
01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:22,440
Speaker 1: to understand about scrapes is that this is a major

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01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:26,160
Speaker 1: communication hub for deer. Deer that comes through an area,

1302
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:28,680
Speaker 1: sometimes a buck will make a scrape where he will

1303
01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:30,760
Speaker 1: kick away all the grass, kick away the leaves with

1304
01:06:30,840 --> 01:06:33,480
Speaker 1: us with his feet. He'll make this section and then

1305
01:06:33,720 --> 01:06:36,000
Speaker 1: he will only make a scrape where there's a branch

1306
01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:38,600
Speaker 1: overhanging this area. We call it a licking branch. So

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01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:42,000
Speaker 1: he's got this overhanging branch, it's about head level. He

1308
01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:45,480
Speaker 1: walks up to this thing, he smells the branch, he

1309
01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:48,000
Speaker 1: maybe licks the branch, he rubs his forehead and his

1310
01:06:48,040 --> 01:06:50,920
Speaker 1: nose and his antlers on the branch. He's again getting

1311
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:53,400
Speaker 1: some of those chemical signals from those glands rubbed up

1312
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:56,520
Speaker 1: on that branch, so he's leaving some messages there saying hey,

1313
01:06:56,560 --> 01:06:59,000
Speaker 1: I was here or whatever. He's trying to whatever those

1314
01:06:59,080 --> 01:07:01,880
Speaker 1: chemicals indicate, and then he scrapes up the ground with

1315
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:05,640
Speaker 1: his feet. He then, typically a male deer will piss

1316
01:07:05,720 --> 01:07:07,880
Speaker 1: on the back of his legs on another set of

1317
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:11,040
Speaker 1: glands there that again leave more signals, which then again

1318
01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:14,720
Speaker 1: communicate other messages to other deer. So any buck that

1319
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:18,400
Speaker 1: comes by near that scrape oftentimes will visit it and

1320
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:21,360
Speaker 1: smell it to see who's been there, what's happening, and

1321
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:24,360
Speaker 1: then leave his scent to and then female deer will

1322
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:26,080
Speaker 1: do the same thing, and that they'll come and smell

1323
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:28,160
Speaker 1: it and they get this information. So it's kind of

1324
01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:31,600
Speaker 1: like like back in the day when there's like the

1325
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:33,840
Speaker 1: water cooler at the office and everyone kind of come

1326
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:36,040
Speaker 1: to the water cooler and that's where they kind of

1327
01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:38,080
Speaker 1: chit chat and there'd be like a bolting board and

1328
01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:40,919
Speaker 1: you'd read all everyone, you know, whatever notes people left there.

1329
01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:45,040
Speaker 1: That's kind of how scrapes sort of work, um in

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01:07:45,080 --> 01:07:48,320
Speaker 1: some cases in the in the dear world. So as

1331
01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:52,160
Speaker 1: a hunter, when you see a scrape, you're gonna usually say, okay,

1332
01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:55,240
Speaker 1: that means deer are gonna frequent this at some part

1333
01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:57,479
Speaker 1: of the year, and usually this is happening during the

1334
01:07:57,560 --> 01:08:01,680
Speaker 1: fall again around mating season. Um. The one thing that's

1335
01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:04,560
Speaker 1: worth noting, and we talked about this this spring too,

1336
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:08,360
Speaker 1: is that scrapes that you find along a field edge

1337
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:11,479
Speaker 1: or like way out in the open are usually only

1338
01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:15,280
Speaker 1: visited by bucks after dark can because these deer want

1339
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:16,960
Speaker 1: to feel secure, So lots of times they're not going

1340
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:19,760
Speaker 1: to travel in the open during daylight. They'd rather like

1341
01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:21,880
Speaker 1: to be back in the woods where humans or other

1342
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:25,760
Speaker 1: practors won't see them. Um, now does you know or

1343
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:28,240
Speaker 1: young bucks they might move more during the daylight. But

1344
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:31,360
Speaker 1: just worth noting that scrapes on the open are more

1345
01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:34,160
Speaker 1: of a nighttime thing. Scrapes that you see, like way

1346
01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:36,559
Speaker 1: back in the woods that are kind of secluded, those

1347
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:40,160
Speaker 1: might be mused more during daylight because deer feel more secure.

1348
01:08:41,360 --> 01:08:44,400
Speaker 1: So you've got all the scouting until you look for

1349
01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:47,759
Speaker 1: tracks and trails and scrapes and rubs and food sources

1350
01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:49,559
Speaker 1: and betting years. All this kind of helps you like

1351
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:52,879
Speaker 1: build that map of where deer are on a property

1352
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:56,240
Speaker 1: or on an on an area that you're hunting. Um.

1353
01:08:56,280 --> 01:08:58,280
Speaker 1: And that kind of sets you up now to then actually,

1354
01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:01,960
Speaker 1: you know, try to try to hunt dan what am

1355
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:04,720
Speaker 1: I missing as far as like that pre hunt scouting

1356
01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 1: or preparation piece um that we need to touch on.

1357
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:12,839
Speaker 1: You know, for a beginner, uh, I feel that rubs

1358
01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:15,519
Speaker 1: and scrapes are a good thing to take note of,

1359
01:09:16,280 --> 01:09:20,840
Speaker 1: but not an ultimate indicator on on where you should

1360
01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:24,320
Speaker 1: be hunting right away. UM. I think for a new hunter,

1361
01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:28,920
Speaker 1: if you find a some tracks and let's say there's

1362
01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:31,160
Speaker 1: just more and more tracks in one area, and let's

1363
01:09:31,160 --> 01:09:34,240
Speaker 1: say they're all leading to a trail on a field edge,

1364
01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:38,600
Speaker 1: just that's a good place to start. It's just the

1365
01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:44,040
Speaker 1: where where there's the most concentration of tracks and maybe

1366
01:09:44,120 --> 01:09:48,240
Speaker 1: a well used trail. I think ultimately that'ship that that

1367
01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:51,680
Speaker 1: would be the perfect spot to start. H And then

1368
01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:55,479
Speaker 1: it's that observation you find these places you observe, and

1369
01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:57,519
Speaker 1: then you say, okay, this, this looks like a good

1370
01:09:57,520 --> 01:09:59,719
Speaker 1: place to start based on these different things I saw.

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01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:02,000
Speaker 1: But now I'm seeing that most of the deer are

1372
01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:05,200
Speaker 1: actually a hundred yards over there, or most of the

1373
01:10:05,200 --> 01:10:07,559
Speaker 1: deer are coming out or coming in this region, and

1374
01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:11,960
Speaker 1: then that's when you adjust. Um. But that's I feel

1375
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:14,559
Speaker 1: like I'm hoping that we're covering like that, just the

1376
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:17,240
Speaker 1: basic building blocks of how to figure out where these

1377
01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:20,720
Speaker 1: deer might be and how to start thinking about it. Um. Next,

1378
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:22,800
Speaker 1: I want to talk about actually going on hunting, but

1379
01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:25,960
Speaker 1: before that, connor anything on the basics of just this

1380
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:30,000
Speaker 1: high level learning scouting in area. I mean no that

1381
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:32,600
Speaker 1: that was a super helpful synopsis, and that's one of

1382
01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:35,599
Speaker 1: the things I had always been curious about and obviously

1383
01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:38,719
Speaker 1: just kind of speaks to my general Naiva theater on hunting.

1384
01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:40,800
Speaker 1: But I had no idea that there was you know,

1385
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:45,160
Speaker 1: that much strategy and calculation and in preseason planning involved.

1386
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:47,640
Speaker 1: And I can only imagine the amount of times have

1387
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:50,920
Speaker 1: been hiking through a forest and stumbled across those types

1388
01:10:50,920 --> 01:10:54,519
Speaker 1: of signs, but just obviously had no idea what they were. UM,

1389
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:57,519
Speaker 1: but no super helpful and That's one of the coolest

1390
01:10:57,520 --> 01:11:01,680
Speaker 1: things I think about hunting is that you know, when

1391
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:04,000
Speaker 1: you're out there hiking or walking around the woods or

1392
01:11:04,120 --> 01:11:07,880
Speaker 1: some area, you're you're seeing stuff, right, You're seeing beautiful

1393
01:11:08,120 --> 01:11:11,240
Speaker 1: animals maybe, and you're seeing flowers and trees, and you're

1394
01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:15,160
Speaker 1: you're seeing something, you're enjoying the landscape, but there's a

1395
01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:19,240
Speaker 1: there's a depth of there's a depth out there that

1396
01:11:19,280 --> 01:11:21,400
Speaker 1: you're missing that as a hunter, when you walk through

1397
01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:24,240
Speaker 1: that same woods, you'll notice all these different things. You'll

1398
01:11:24,280 --> 01:11:27,800
Speaker 1: notice all the things we just mentioned, plus a whole

1399
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:32,040
Speaker 1: slew of other different little features or little signs that

1400
01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:34,920
Speaker 1: point to how wildlife might be using this or what

1401
01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:38,599
Speaker 1: this habitat might mean for other animals. Um or oh hey,

1402
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:40,719
Speaker 1: look at that. This is a great place that deer

1403
01:11:40,720 --> 01:11:42,960
Speaker 1: probably walk through or you might, I don't know. Just

1404
01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:46,760
Speaker 1: kind of opens a whole new wealth of experience when

1405
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:48,759
Speaker 1: you're going through these places, when you have this different

1406
01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:51,479
Speaker 1: depth of experience, that that just makes it really cool.

1407
01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:55,920
Speaker 1: Um So, I think, Okay, we've we've understood how dear

1408
01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:59,960
Speaker 1: kind of behave. We've kind of covered how to learn

1409
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:03,040
Speaker 1: in an area. We didn't really talk about finding like

1410
01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:05,000
Speaker 1: a place to hunt. Like, there's two options as far

1411
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:06,720
Speaker 1: as like places to hunt. You can either go to

1412
01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:10,639
Speaker 1: public land, so land that's open to anyone and anyone

1413
01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:12,720
Speaker 1: can go out there and do this stuff. Or you

1414
01:12:12,760 --> 01:12:15,559
Speaker 1: can try to get access on land that's privately owned

1415
01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:18,320
Speaker 1: UM or you know, you could own land yourself, maybe

1416
01:12:18,360 --> 01:12:21,320
Speaker 1: already but you know kind of when we're turkey hunting,

1417
01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:23,080
Speaker 1: that was private land that you know that our friend

1418
01:12:23,160 --> 01:12:25,800
Speaker 1: Matt owned, so we got permission to hunt that. If

1419
01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:28,639
Speaker 1: you know a friend or have some different people that hunt,

1420
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:31,360
Speaker 1: or some people that own land, it's great to try

1421
01:12:31,400 --> 01:12:33,720
Speaker 1: to get permission on private land. That's a great opportunity

1422
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:35,680
Speaker 1: to get in there and not have as much competition

1423
01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:38,040
Speaker 1: you know, different other people out there bothering you. But

1424
01:12:38,360 --> 01:12:40,559
Speaker 1: if you don't have land to hunt, there are lots

1425
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:43,320
Speaker 1: of public land opportunities out there where you know, you

1426
01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:46,799
Speaker 1: can go out there for free and have access. UM.

1427
01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:49,519
Speaker 1: We could talk a full podcast about finding places to hunt,

1428
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:52,200
Speaker 1: so I don't want to dive too deep into that UM,

1429
01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:55,760
Speaker 1: but there's lots of information on the Internet or on

1430
01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:59,080
Speaker 1: the Wyreton podcast or anywhere else as far as finding

1431
01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:02,280
Speaker 1: places to hunt. UM, actually getting like a specific property

1432
01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:04,559
Speaker 1: to hunt or finding a piece of public land where

1433
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:07,400
Speaker 1: you can go. I think that's just worth worth noting.

1434
01:13:08,600 --> 01:13:11,880
Speaker 1: Con go ahead. I was just gonna ask with you

1435
01:13:12,040 --> 01:13:15,320
Speaker 1: living in Los Angeles, I take it that you know

1436
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:18,439
Speaker 1: there might be some there. There may or may not

1437
01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:20,960
Speaker 1: be white tailed deer close to where you're at, but

1438
01:13:21,080 --> 01:13:23,400
Speaker 1: I have a feeling you're going to personally have to

1439
01:13:23,479 --> 01:13:28,599
Speaker 1: travel somewhere to hunt. Is that correct? Correct? And I

1440
01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:33,759
Speaker 1: actually think northern California has um some decent public lands,

1441
01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:38,520
Speaker 1: but I think it's again, I think it's mainly blacktail.

1442
01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:43,479
Speaker 1: I think that's correct. Yea, so, and that shouldn't note

1443
01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:47,000
Speaker 1: that most of what we're talking about here is more

1444
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:50,000
Speaker 1: specific to whitetailed deer, which is the deer species that's

1445
01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:52,400
Speaker 1: that's widely spread over most of the country. And then

1446
01:13:52,439 --> 01:13:55,240
Speaker 1: you've got sections of the country where there's mule deer

1447
01:13:55,760 --> 01:13:58,280
Speaker 1: more in some of the mountain ranges um and some

1448
01:13:58,360 --> 01:14:03,160
Speaker 1: of the rocky mountain west into Pacific northwest, and then

1449
01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:05,519
Speaker 1: far far west on the west coast. Then you've got

1450
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:08,479
Speaker 1: what you mentioned, the blacktail deer um, which are which

1451
01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:10,960
Speaker 1: are very very similar meal deres sometimes kind of the

1452
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:15,040
Speaker 1: same thing. I think people have said so when you

1453
01:14:15,080 --> 01:14:17,880
Speaker 1: come and visit us in the Midwest again, I think

1454
01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:20,040
Speaker 1: when you travel to hunt some of these white tails,

1455
01:14:20,280 --> 01:14:23,840
Speaker 1: hopefully with with me or someone here soon, Um, this

1456
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:25,640
Speaker 1: is the kind of stuff that we'll be doing and

1457
01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:28,439
Speaker 1: we'll be looking at. Now, where are you going to

1458
01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:31,000
Speaker 1: go in a direction with that? Dan? No, I was

1459
01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:35,720
Speaker 1: just kind of curious because you know, obviously he's not

1460
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:39,160
Speaker 1: going to have the ability to sit, you know, go

1461
01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:42,479
Speaker 1: spend large amounts of time scouting, you know, from his

1462
01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:45,840
Speaker 1: from where he sets. I'm assuming that he's going to

1463
01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:49,040
Speaker 1: show up for a hunting season, and if you were

1464
01:14:49,160 --> 01:14:51,600
Speaker 1: doing this all by yourself, you're going to be the

1465
01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:54,880
Speaker 1: person who has to scout and hunt all at the

1466
01:14:54,920 --> 01:14:57,200
Speaker 1: same time, which can you know, it can be a

1467
01:14:57,240 --> 01:15:01,080
Speaker 1: little bit more difficult, but if you follow the same principles,

1468
01:15:01,120 --> 01:15:02,920
Speaker 1: you know, it's all this all the same, but it's

1469
01:15:02,920 --> 01:15:08,519
Speaker 1: always it's always better in your scenario to have you know,

1470
01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:12,559
Speaker 1: someone like Mark to help show you the ropes. Yeah. Absolutely,

1471
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:14,720
Speaker 1: And I'm always looking for any used to to get

1472
01:15:14,720 --> 01:15:17,679
Speaker 1: back to my homeland in the Midwest, So this sounds

1473
01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:21,960
Speaker 1: like it it is one of the better excuses to come. Now,

1474
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:25,800
Speaker 1: were you going to ask another question? Before before Dan's there, Well,

1475
01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:28,160
Speaker 1: just I was curious on the on the public land

1476
01:15:28,200 --> 01:15:33,920
Speaker 1: and private land management in terms of deer population. UM,

1477
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:38,280
Speaker 1: what are some of the I guess, regulations around private

1478
01:15:38,360 --> 01:15:41,800
Speaker 1: landowners and the things that they have to do to

1479
01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:50,480
Speaker 1: ensure you know, healthy deer populations. So it's all voluntary.

1480
01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:54,360
Speaker 1: Private landowners can can manage or not manage their property

1481
01:15:54,439 --> 01:15:57,680
Speaker 1: or their their wildlife, you know, however they want. Now

1482
01:15:57,680 --> 01:16:02,080
Speaker 1: it's important note that wildlife, so dear turkeys, etcetera, are

1483
01:16:02,160 --> 01:16:06,679
Speaker 1: technically technically property of the state um and are managed

1484
01:16:06,720 --> 01:16:09,760
Speaker 1: by the state. And then so even if you own land,

1485
01:16:09,800 --> 01:16:11,920
Speaker 1: So even if I own a farm or something and

1486
01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:14,840
Speaker 1: there's deer and turkeys on my farm, those animals don't

1487
01:16:14,840 --> 01:16:17,599
Speaker 1: actually belong to me. They're they're managed and they're managed

1488
01:16:17,640 --> 01:16:20,439
Speaker 1: by the state in the trust of the public. So

1489
01:16:20,680 --> 01:16:23,200
Speaker 1: technically a deer that's on my property doesn't belong to me,

1490
01:16:23,240 --> 01:16:26,439
Speaker 1: it doesn't belong to you. It's it's roaming freely between

1491
01:16:26,479 --> 01:16:29,280
Speaker 1: those properties. But as a landowner, I do own that

1492
01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:31,800
Speaker 1: land and that habitat and I can choose how to

1493
01:16:31,880 --> 01:16:35,560
Speaker 1: manage that stuff. So as a private landowner, I can

1494
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:38,479
Speaker 1: manipulate the habitat I can do things that will make

1495
01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:41,479
Speaker 1: it better for deer. UM or people that don't care

1496
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:43,479
Speaker 1: about wildlife, they can do whatever they want and they

1497
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:45,479
Speaker 1: do nothing with it, or some people want to build

1498
01:16:45,479 --> 01:16:47,240
Speaker 1: stuff on or some people want to farm it, whatever

1499
01:16:47,240 --> 01:16:51,840
Speaker 1: it might be. UM there's a ton of information and

1500
01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:56,519
Speaker 1: a whole subculture of deer hunting around managing your area,

1501
01:16:56,640 --> 01:17:00,280
Speaker 1: like your private property specifically for wildlife and deer, all

1502
01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:02,720
Speaker 1: sorts of ways you can do that. It's probably it's

1503
01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:04,720
Speaker 1: it's definitely two in depth to go into for for

1504
01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:08,360
Speaker 1: this UM. But if you want, you know, if someday

1505
01:17:08,439 --> 01:17:10,240
Speaker 1: kind of you got to the point five years from

1506
01:17:10,280 --> 01:17:12,559
Speaker 1: now and you fell in love with deer ounting and

1507
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:15,320
Speaker 1: you bought a twenty acre property outside Chicago and you

1508
01:17:15,320 --> 01:17:17,600
Speaker 1: said this is gonna be my deer hunting property, I

1509
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:21,479
Speaker 1: would tell you to go visit the website or become

1510
01:17:21,479 --> 01:17:25,400
Speaker 1: a member of an organization called the Quality Deer Management Association.

1511
01:17:26,160 --> 01:17:28,760
Speaker 1: Just a terrific resource for everything related to how you

1512
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:33,959
Speaker 1: can manage an area or property for deer and UM

1513
01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:36,320
Speaker 1: help improve the health of the deer and your property,

1514
01:17:36,360 --> 01:17:41,520
Speaker 1: help manage all sorts of different things for that optimal situation. UM.

1515
01:17:41,640 --> 01:17:43,880
Speaker 1: So that's where I point you or other people for

1516
01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:48,400
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. Got it. So now we're hunting.

1517
01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:50,560
Speaker 1: We've learned a lot about the property. We've learned a

1518
01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:53,720
Speaker 1: little bit about the basics of deer. Um. I want

1519
01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:55,760
Speaker 1: to again, we're kind of running that time. This is

1520
01:17:55,800 --> 01:17:57,559
Speaker 1: one of those topics that probably we could spend like

1521
01:17:57,600 --> 01:18:01,080
Speaker 1: five hours talking about, but to try to cover the

1522
01:18:01,080 --> 01:18:03,000
Speaker 1: bare bones basics here in an hour and a half,

1523
01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:06,240
Speaker 1: we're gonna jump to actually going out there and hunting.

1524
01:18:06,439 --> 01:18:09,000
Speaker 1: So let's say you've got this property that you're allowed

1525
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:11,760
Speaker 1: to hunt, Connor, You've studied it a little bit, You've

1526
01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:15,360
Speaker 1: learned where some of these different things are. Um, now

1527
01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:17,519
Speaker 1: it's the day you're gonna go out hunting. I want

1528
01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:19,240
Speaker 1: to mention a few things that you should be thinking

1529
01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:22,400
Speaker 1: about on this day when you're gonna go hunt. Hopefully

1530
01:18:23,479 --> 01:18:25,880
Speaker 1: before this day of the hunt, you've already done that

1531
01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:28,400
Speaker 1: scouting and you've picked a few places that you think

1532
01:18:28,479 --> 01:18:30,960
Speaker 1: there should be deer. Like Dan said, you found this

1533
01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:33,200
Speaker 1: trail or you saw these tracks. So you found these

1534
01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:35,880
Speaker 1: rubs and scrapes and tracks all together, and they seem

1535
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:39,160
Speaker 1: like good places. So in a perfect world, you would

1536
01:18:39,400 --> 01:18:42,439
Speaker 1: set up a location beforehand. A set up that ambush

1537
01:18:42,479 --> 01:18:46,320
Speaker 1: location beforehand, so you would either put a blind out

1538
01:18:46,360 --> 01:18:48,960
Speaker 1: there or a tree stand at that spot, so that

1539
01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:50,880
Speaker 1: on the day of the hunt you could just go

1540
01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:54,479
Speaker 1: and sit and be ready to go. Now, for someone

1541
01:18:54,520 --> 01:18:57,280
Speaker 1: brand new, basically, a tree stand is like something that

1542
01:18:57,400 --> 01:18:59,200
Speaker 1: hanging up in a tree where you can sit in

1543
01:18:59,320 --> 01:19:00,880
Speaker 1: and be hidden from the deer and you kind of

1544
01:19:00,920 --> 01:19:04,600
Speaker 1: have this high perch where you can watch and shoot from.

1545
01:19:04,760 --> 01:19:07,719
Speaker 1: Or a blind is basically some kind of little shelter

1546
01:19:08,040 --> 01:19:11,160
Speaker 1: you create on the ground that again hides you. There's

1547
01:19:11,160 --> 01:19:13,439
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of different options here. You can have

1548
01:19:13,560 --> 01:19:16,200
Speaker 1: like fabric pop up blinds. You can build a blind

1549
01:19:16,280 --> 01:19:18,720
Speaker 1: just out of wood. There's tons of different types of

1550
01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:20,960
Speaker 1: tree stands, different ways to get up in a tree.

1551
01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:24,479
Speaker 1: But that's more detail than we can get into um.

1552
01:19:24,640 --> 01:19:27,439
Speaker 1: But for the new hunter in a perfect world, learn

1553
01:19:27,479 --> 01:19:29,639
Speaker 1: a little bit about blinds or tree stands and set

1554
01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:32,479
Speaker 1: up some locations so that on the day of the

1555
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:35,519
Speaker 1: hunt you can walk right out to your stand and

1556
01:19:35,560 --> 01:19:38,599
Speaker 1: be sitting and hunting. So this is a different counter

1557
01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:41,000
Speaker 1: than when we turkey hunted. When we turkey on, we

1558
01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:42,760
Speaker 1: just walked out there, picked a tree and sat on

1559
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:46,160
Speaker 1: the ground and just called the birds. And you can

1560
01:19:46,240 --> 01:19:49,240
Speaker 1: do that, especially if you're hunting with a gun. Um.

1561
01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:51,639
Speaker 1: I know, like when I grew up deer hunting, lots

1562
01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:54,280
Speaker 1: of times when we hunted with the guns with firearms,

1563
01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:55,960
Speaker 1: we would go out and sit on a stump or

1564
01:19:55,960 --> 01:19:57,960
Speaker 1: sit next to a tree that looked like a good

1565
01:19:57,960 --> 01:20:00,720
Speaker 1: spot with a good view, and and can you know,

1566
01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:02,599
Speaker 1: get a shot at a deer like that, especially when

1567
01:20:02,600 --> 01:20:04,280
Speaker 1: you get a gun that can fire out during a

1568
01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:07,920
Speaker 1: hundred yards or two hundred yards away. Um. But in

1569
01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:10,479
Speaker 1: a perfect world, you'd have something already set up. And

1570
01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:13,479
Speaker 1: if you're hunting with arch equipment like a crossbow or

1571
01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:18,120
Speaker 1: a regular compoundbo, when a deer is that close close

1572
01:20:18,200 --> 01:20:19,839
Speaker 1: enough to get a shot with one of those weapons,

1573
01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:22,040
Speaker 1: they're gonna see you moving if you're just sitting on

1574
01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:24,519
Speaker 1: the ground without any kind of concealment. So that's why

1575
01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:28,960
Speaker 1: having something that's gonna hide you is important. But I'm

1576
01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:30,759
Speaker 1: gonna try a gloss over that a little bit because

1577
01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:32,719
Speaker 1: we have to get to, you know, some other things.

1578
01:20:32,720 --> 01:20:35,800
Speaker 1: So the first thing when you're choosing where are you

1579
01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:38,559
Speaker 1: gonna hunt on this given day is what we talked

1580
01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:41,360
Speaker 1: about earlier. It's the wind. So we always needed to

1581
01:20:41,439 --> 01:20:46,599
Speaker 1: be thinking about where is my wind blowing. So let's

1582
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:50,639
Speaker 1: say today we have a west wind. If you're deciding

1583
01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:52,639
Speaker 1: where you want hunt on that given day, just always

1584
01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:55,160
Speaker 1: think about how that wind will impact things. So if

1585
01:20:55,240 --> 01:20:57,360
Speaker 1: you picked out let's say you picked out two locations

1586
01:20:57,360 --> 01:21:00,160
Speaker 1: on your property that look good based on that side

1587
01:21:00,160 --> 01:21:03,439
Speaker 1: that we talked about already, now think about what the

1588
01:21:03,479 --> 01:21:07,040
Speaker 1: wind will do. So we'll say location A. You want

1589
01:21:07,040 --> 01:21:09,559
Speaker 1: to hunt with this wind that's blowing from the west,

1590
01:21:09,640 --> 01:21:12,639
Speaker 1: it's blowing from the west going to the east. If

1591
01:21:13,080 --> 01:21:15,519
Speaker 1: that wind that's blowing now to the east is blowing

1592
01:21:15,680 --> 01:21:19,479
Speaker 1: right towards what you identified already as a betting area

1593
01:21:19,640 --> 01:21:22,439
Speaker 1: where deer are gonna be, that's probably not a good

1594
01:21:22,479 --> 01:21:24,639
Speaker 1: thing because those deer that are in that betting area

1595
01:21:24,720 --> 01:21:27,160
Speaker 1: during the day will smell you when you walk there

1596
01:21:27,200 --> 01:21:30,400
Speaker 1: for your afternoon hunt. So just think about how is

1597
01:21:30,439 --> 01:21:32,880
Speaker 1: the wind going to impact things. Or if you're gonna

1598
01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:36,400
Speaker 1: be walking to your spot and that west wind is

1599
01:21:36,400 --> 01:21:40,479
Speaker 1: gonna blow towards that corn field that you found, and

1600
01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:42,519
Speaker 1: at this time of day that you're walking in there,

1601
01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:44,200
Speaker 1: you think that deer will be feeding. So in the

1602
01:21:44,200 --> 01:21:47,040
Speaker 1: morning when deer feeding. If you know that wind is

1603
01:21:47,040 --> 01:21:48,960
Speaker 1: gonna be blowing into that corn field, well, all of

1604
01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:51,360
Speaker 1: a sudden you realize, Oops, that's where the deer are

1605
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:54,160
Speaker 1: and they're gonna smell me there in a runaway. So

1606
01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:59,400
Speaker 1: always just be thinking about that. Um, Always be thinking

1607
01:21:59,400 --> 01:22:01,400
Speaker 1: then about the two things we already talked about, food

1608
01:22:01,800 --> 01:22:03,880
Speaker 1: and bedding. So when you're choosing where you want to hunt,

1609
01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:07,840
Speaker 1: you want to think about Okay, Bob, my mentor told

1610
01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:10,000
Speaker 1: me that at this time of year, in October, the

1611
01:22:10,040 --> 01:22:13,439
Speaker 1: deer are really feeding on acorns. And if you had

1612
01:22:13,479 --> 01:22:17,000
Speaker 1: found that at your location, b there were acorns, now

1613
01:22:17,040 --> 01:22:18,720
Speaker 1: you know, Okay, this is gonna be one of the

1614
01:22:18,880 --> 01:22:20,879
Speaker 1: This might be the better spot of the two locations

1615
01:22:20,920 --> 01:22:25,920
Speaker 1: I have because I know they're feeding on this food source. Um,

1616
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:27,400
Speaker 1: I don't know how how do we how do we

1617
01:22:27,439 --> 01:22:29,599
Speaker 1: talk through this? Damn without getting too much in the weeds?

1618
01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:32,960
Speaker 1: Are making this confusing? Is this making sense? Um? As

1619
01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:34,920
Speaker 1: I'm talking, I already see like there's so many different

1620
01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:38,040
Speaker 1: ways you could spiral around this. Let me let me

1621
01:22:38,080 --> 01:22:41,880
Speaker 1: put it. Let me try to simplify it. Imagine a clock, okay,

1622
01:22:41,960 --> 01:22:45,080
Speaker 1: and you are the very center of the clock that

1623
01:22:45,200 --> 01:22:50,040
Speaker 1: is your tree stand. Okay, if the wind is coming

1624
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:55,400
Speaker 1: from twelve in blowing to six, just you should think

1625
01:22:55,439 --> 01:22:58,719
Speaker 1: that nothing is going to come from that direction because

1626
01:23:00,160 --> 01:23:02,439
Speaker 1: your scent is going to ruin everything in that direction

1627
01:23:02,680 --> 01:23:05,160
Speaker 1: or seven or six or five. And you know, because

1628
01:23:05,240 --> 01:23:09,040
Speaker 1: scent kind of cones out from you know, where where

1629
01:23:09,080 --> 01:23:15,160
Speaker 1: you're at. So you have to once you've identified where

1630
01:23:15,240 --> 01:23:19,800
Speaker 1: you think the deer are coming from, um, then kind

1631
01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:21,800
Speaker 1: of put a clock over top of it and and

1632
01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:25,040
Speaker 1: put the wind coming out of let's say a nine

1633
01:23:25,120 --> 01:23:28,720
Speaker 1: and in going to a three. The three. You know

1634
01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:33,160
Speaker 1: the three is gonna be bad. So let's say you identify, um,

1635
01:23:33,200 --> 01:23:36,920
Speaker 1: the deer are at a nine and they're going to

1636
01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:39,519
Speaker 1: go to a three. Well, that means that you should

1637
01:23:39,560 --> 01:23:43,479
Speaker 1: probably have a wind that is going from twelve to

1638
01:23:43,640 --> 01:23:48,439
Speaker 1: six or from six to twelve roughly. Okay. That way,

1639
01:23:48,520 --> 01:23:51,800
Speaker 1: when the deer are walking by you, for the most part,

1640
01:23:52,160 --> 01:23:55,800
Speaker 1: they're not going to intercept you unless that trail is

1641
01:23:56,040 --> 01:24:01,040
Speaker 1: kind of above your location, if that makes any sense. Yeah,

1642
01:24:01,080 --> 01:24:04,679
Speaker 1: And are you guys using any sorts of decoys similar

1643
01:24:04,720 --> 01:24:07,360
Speaker 1: to the way that we I mean, we're using decoys

1644
01:24:07,400 --> 01:24:12,240
Speaker 1: and calls for the turkey hunt? Marb so there are

1645
01:24:12,280 --> 01:24:16,640
Speaker 1: certain situations when people will use Dear decoys. Um, I

1646
01:24:16,680 --> 01:24:19,120
Speaker 1: will say for the beginner hunter, I wouldn't worry about

1647
01:24:19,160 --> 01:24:21,479
Speaker 1: that because us just just like a very small portion

1648
01:24:21,680 --> 01:24:25,920
Speaker 1: of the hunting season with very specific conditions. Would you

1649
01:24:25,960 --> 01:24:28,200
Speaker 1: ever want to use a decoy? So I'd say for

1650
01:24:28,240 --> 01:24:31,200
Speaker 1: the average person going out there, don't worry about that yet.

1651
01:24:31,439 --> 01:24:33,840
Speaker 1: The best thing is just to set up the observation point.

1652
01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:36,360
Speaker 1: So so yeah, so you take all the stuff you've

1653
01:24:36,400 --> 01:24:39,919
Speaker 1: learned about the property, you have a couple of spots prepped,

1654
01:24:40,360 --> 01:24:43,040
Speaker 1: you think about the wind the way Dan described it,

1655
01:24:43,439 --> 01:24:46,200
Speaker 1: and then you're going to go out there and you're

1656
01:24:46,200 --> 01:24:50,960
Speaker 1: sitting that location and you're gonna observe. You're going to

1657
01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:53,000
Speaker 1: be as quiet as you possibly can be because we

1658
01:24:53,080 --> 01:24:55,280
Speaker 1: talked about how great they're hearing is. You're going to

1659
01:24:55,360 --> 01:24:57,800
Speaker 1: be as still as you can possibly be, because we

1660
01:24:57,840 --> 01:25:02,679
Speaker 1: talked about how great their eyes it is. And most hunts,

1661
01:25:02,720 --> 01:25:05,360
Speaker 1: you're gonna see dear, but they're gonna be too far away,

1662
01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:08,120
Speaker 1: or they'll move through too quickly, or something will happen

1663
01:25:08,120 --> 01:25:09,840
Speaker 1: where you're not able to get a shot, but you'll

1664
01:25:09,880 --> 01:25:11,960
Speaker 1: learn something. So I always every time you go out there,

1665
01:25:11,960 --> 01:25:14,360
Speaker 1: I'll try to think about what they're doing and learn

1666
01:25:14,400 --> 01:25:16,400
Speaker 1: and so you can say, okay, well I learned that

1667
01:25:16,439 --> 01:25:19,599
Speaker 1: they're actually traveling over here, or learned that they tend

1668
01:25:19,640 --> 01:25:22,559
Speaker 1: to come back into this piece of woods an hour

1669
01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:24,960
Speaker 1: after daylight. So just try to learn from that observation.

1670
01:25:25,360 --> 01:25:27,920
Speaker 1: UM I would say, while you're actually out there hunting,

1671
01:25:27,960 --> 01:25:29,839
Speaker 1: when you're in the tree, or you're in your blind,

1672
01:25:29,960 --> 01:25:32,639
Speaker 1: or you're sitting on that log, the way I would

1673
01:25:32,640 --> 01:25:36,200
Speaker 1: spend most of that time is just very very slowly

1674
01:25:36,280 --> 01:25:40,160
Speaker 1: quietly looking around you. You know, just very slowly turn

1675
01:25:40,280 --> 01:25:43,880
Speaker 1: your head looking to your left and just constantly observing

1676
01:25:43,880 --> 01:25:45,720
Speaker 1: the setting around you to try to make sure that

1677
01:25:45,760 --> 01:25:49,240
Speaker 1: you spot an animal before it spots you. So in

1678
01:25:49,280 --> 01:25:52,559
Speaker 1: a perfect world, you're sitting in your spot and you're

1679
01:25:52,760 --> 01:25:56,280
Speaker 1: very carefully observing around you. Every once in a while,

1680
01:25:56,360 --> 01:25:58,720
Speaker 1: maybe put your binoculars up to your eyes and look

1681
01:25:58,720 --> 01:26:01,120
Speaker 1: off from the distance, and then hopefully you're gonna spot

1682
01:26:01,160 --> 01:26:04,800
Speaker 1: a deer or a movement or a shape and you'll see, okay, oh,

1683
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:07,760
Speaker 1: that's a deer, and then you'll see it's coming your way,

1684
01:26:08,080 --> 01:26:10,160
Speaker 1: and then you can, you know, know when it's getting

1685
01:26:10,200 --> 01:26:12,720
Speaker 1: close enough so that you can prepare yourself and make

1686
01:26:12,720 --> 01:26:15,960
Speaker 1: sure you're not not moving at all, not making any

1687
01:26:15,960 --> 01:26:19,000
Speaker 1: sounds or anything by the time it gets close enough.

1688
01:26:19,400 --> 01:26:21,040
Speaker 1: And then if this is a deer that you excuse me,

1689
01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:22,200
Speaker 1: this is a deer you're gonna try to get a

1690
01:26:22,200 --> 01:26:24,400
Speaker 1: shot at, then you can do things to prepare yourself

1691
01:26:24,439 --> 01:26:26,559
Speaker 1: for that shot. So you know, like in your situation

1692
01:26:26,600 --> 01:26:30,280
Speaker 1: turkey hunting, counter when you know when that when that

1693
01:26:30,320 --> 01:26:32,680
Speaker 1: turkey finally was within sight of you, guys, I know

1694
01:26:32,720 --> 01:26:35,280
Speaker 1: that Janice probably had instructed you to at this point

1695
01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:37,800
Speaker 1: be ready. You have your gun up already, and then

1696
01:26:37,880 --> 01:26:39,479
Speaker 1: you don't want to move at all, right, because once

1697
01:26:39,520 --> 01:26:41,200
Speaker 1: that deer is within or once that turkey was within

1698
01:26:41,320 --> 01:26:43,360
Speaker 1: sight of you, you didn't want to make any movements

1699
01:26:43,360 --> 01:26:44,880
Speaker 1: because they would see you. So you already had the

1700
01:26:44,920 --> 01:26:47,120
Speaker 1: gun up on your on your knees, and you were

1701
01:26:47,160 --> 01:26:48,640
Speaker 1: just waiting for him to get close enough, and then

1702
01:26:48,680 --> 01:26:50,479
Speaker 1: you just pulled the trigger. So it's kind of the

1703
01:26:50,479 --> 01:26:52,719
Speaker 1: same thing with deer hunting. Once you observe that deer,

1704
01:26:52,840 --> 01:26:56,320
Speaker 1: hopefully it's far enough away so you can get yourself prepared.

1705
01:26:56,520 --> 01:26:58,639
Speaker 1: So in this case, you're going to very slowly get

1706
01:26:58,680 --> 01:27:02,559
Speaker 1: your gun or very slowly get your bow and position yourself. However,

1707
01:27:02,600 --> 01:27:04,280
Speaker 1: you need to to be able to get that shot,

1708
01:27:04,840 --> 01:27:07,360
Speaker 1: ideally doing this when the deer is not looking at you,

1709
01:27:07,520 --> 01:27:09,639
Speaker 1: or when the deer is far enough away, and then

1710
01:27:09,680 --> 01:27:12,000
Speaker 1: once that deer finally does get to within range of

1711
01:27:12,040 --> 01:27:14,920
Speaker 1: whatever weapon is you're using, then you you go through

1712
01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:17,479
Speaker 1: that shot process. You pull the trigger, you shoot the

1713
01:27:17,479 --> 01:27:22,000
Speaker 1: bow whatever it might be. Um and are there in

1714
01:27:22,120 --> 01:27:25,479
Speaker 1: terms of aiming because I know, as I mentioned the

1715
01:27:25,520 --> 01:27:27,840
Speaker 1: beginning when I was talking about my turkey story, or

1716
01:27:28,120 --> 01:27:30,720
Speaker 1: is there a specific spot you want to aim for? So,

1717
01:27:31,000 --> 01:27:34,760
Speaker 1: I mean most of the meat is preserved. Yeah, So

1718
01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:38,559
Speaker 1: the vital zone on a deer is that it's lungs

1719
01:27:38,760 --> 01:27:41,120
Speaker 1: or it's heart or what you ideally want to hit,

1720
01:27:41,640 --> 01:27:44,879
Speaker 1: and so that is going to be just behind its shoulder.

1721
01:27:45,200 --> 01:27:48,400
Speaker 1: So the best thing to do anyone that's brand new

1722
01:27:48,439 --> 01:27:51,559
Speaker 1: to this just go to Google and type in you know,

1723
01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:54,519
Speaker 1: white tailed deer vital zone or something like that, and

1724
01:27:54,560 --> 01:27:58,280
Speaker 1: there's a thousand different images diagrams that show this. But

1725
01:27:58,320 --> 01:28:00,280
Speaker 1: if you imagine a deer standing in front of view

1726
01:28:00,280 --> 01:28:03,479
Speaker 1: and you imagine it's front shoulder and then draw or

1727
01:28:03,680 --> 01:28:05,479
Speaker 1: just take a pipe play or take a paper plate

1728
01:28:05,560 --> 01:28:09,840
Speaker 1: and put that just behind that front shoulder. Essentially, that

1729
01:28:10,000 --> 01:28:12,679
Speaker 1: is the section that you want to aim at because

1730
01:28:12,680 --> 01:28:15,040
Speaker 1: you'll get hopefully that bullet or that arrow will go

1731
01:28:15,080 --> 01:28:18,120
Speaker 1: through both lungs or the heart and it very quickly,

1732
01:28:18,680 --> 01:28:21,360
Speaker 1: um will kill that animal is as quickly and ethically

1733
01:28:21,439 --> 01:28:25,320
Speaker 1: as you possibly can. That's that's your best spot. Um.

1734
01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:30,880
Speaker 1: So a few things I guess at that point about

1735
01:28:30,920 --> 01:28:33,559
Speaker 1: handling the moment of truth. So you've got that deer

1736
01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:37,040
Speaker 1: coming in, you're gonna get that shot. Dan, any advice

1737
01:28:37,080 --> 01:28:41,280
Speaker 1: for a very new hunter about handling the actual moments

1738
01:28:41,320 --> 01:28:46,840
Speaker 1: just before or at the shot. No, because what's gonna

1739
01:28:46,840 --> 01:28:49,000
Speaker 1: happen is, I'm going to tell you something right now,

1740
01:28:49,640 --> 01:28:51,960
Speaker 1: and this will be the closest dear that you've ever

1741
01:28:52,080 --> 01:28:55,880
Speaker 1: had to yourself. Right you're you with the intentions of

1742
01:28:55,960 --> 01:29:01,400
Speaker 1: killing it, and everything for the first time, everything that

1743
01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:04,400
Speaker 1: we've told you today will go out the window, and

1744
01:29:04,439 --> 01:29:09,639
Speaker 1: you'll get this gigantic adrenaline rush and you'll go into

1745
01:29:09,680 --> 01:29:13,280
Speaker 1: autopilot with whatever you've learned up to that point on

1746
01:29:13,360 --> 01:29:16,040
Speaker 1: shooting an animal, and it will be the greatest moment

1747
01:29:16,040 --> 01:29:18,080
Speaker 1: of your life, one of the greatest moments of your life.

1748
01:29:18,439 --> 01:29:21,600
Speaker 1: And so for me to sit here and tell a

1749
01:29:21,640 --> 01:29:26,120
Speaker 1: new hunter on how to act during the moment of

1750
01:29:26,160 --> 01:29:29,840
Speaker 1: truth is I mean, I'm not gonna say it's gonna

1751
01:29:29,840 --> 01:29:32,920
Speaker 1: be It would be wasted breath. But you're not gonna

1752
01:29:33,040 --> 01:29:35,439
Speaker 1: You're not gonna think of what Dan Johnson told me

1753
01:29:35,640 --> 01:29:38,160
Speaker 1: when when you're getting ready to pull back the boat.

1754
01:29:38,160 --> 01:29:41,920
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. I will offer you one

1755
01:29:42,200 --> 01:29:45,559
Speaker 1: one piece of vice, though, Connor, and that is that,

1756
01:29:46,640 --> 01:29:50,680
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, when you are taking a shot an

1757
01:29:50,680 --> 01:29:53,960
Speaker 1: animal like a deer, for most people, it's a lot

1758
01:29:54,000 --> 01:29:55,640
Speaker 1: different than when you take a shot at something like

1759
01:29:55,680 --> 01:29:58,200
Speaker 1: a turkey. Um. I don't know if it's because of

1760
01:29:58,240 --> 01:30:01,840
Speaker 1: the size of the animal or just the the charismatic

1761
01:30:01,920 --> 01:30:04,559
Speaker 1: nature of a big mammal like that, but something about it.

1762
01:30:04,760 --> 01:30:06,880
Speaker 1: And also because the amount of work typically that goes

1763
01:30:06,920 --> 01:30:09,120
Speaker 1: into a deer hunt versus a turkey hunt. Like it

1764
01:30:09,200 --> 01:30:10,800
Speaker 1: was a little bit easier to go out there on

1765
01:30:10,840 --> 01:30:12,720
Speaker 1: your first day like we did, and this turkey ran

1766
01:30:12,720 --> 01:30:14,040
Speaker 1: in and you just got that shot like it was.

1767
01:30:14,280 --> 01:30:16,920
Speaker 1: There wasn't a whole bunch of backstory and time and

1768
01:30:16,960 --> 01:30:19,639
Speaker 1: work that went into that. But on a deer hunt

1769
01:30:19,680 --> 01:30:21,720
Speaker 1: there'll be lots and lots of work typically that goes

1770
01:30:21,760 --> 01:30:24,240
Speaker 1: into it um and now all that's built up to

1771
01:30:24,240 --> 01:30:29,200
Speaker 1: this moment. Now this big, beautiful mammal is walking towards you,

1772
01:30:29,439 --> 01:30:31,920
Speaker 1: and now you need to place that bullet or arrow

1773
01:30:32,040 --> 01:30:33,960
Speaker 1: in this one specific spot. So there's it's it's a

1774
01:30:34,040 --> 01:30:37,040
Speaker 1: high pressure moment. So Dan said, lots of times that

1775
01:30:37,120 --> 01:30:40,200
Speaker 1: first time you might almost blackout, or you might just

1776
01:30:40,280 --> 01:30:43,680
Speaker 1: like your autopilot takes over lots of times. So the

1777
01:30:43,720 --> 01:30:45,960
Speaker 1: best way to make sure that this goes well and

1778
01:30:46,040 --> 01:30:51,280
Speaker 1: not badly is that you practice a lot beforehand. Ye,

1779
01:30:51,520 --> 01:30:53,360
Speaker 1: So don't do what you did with the turkey hunt

1780
01:30:53,400 --> 01:30:56,160
Speaker 1: on your deer hunt, because it's a lot easier to

1781
01:30:56,200 --> 01:30:58,800
Speaker 1: mess things up on a deer. So that turkey, like

1782
01:30:58,880 --> 01:31:01,559
Speaker 1: the shot it's as it was a shotgun you're using,

1783
01:31:01,640 --> 01:31:03,559
Speaker 1: So it shouted a bunch of different babies in a

1784
01:31:03,600 --> 01:31:06,240
Speaker 1: wide area. So even if you shot a little bit

1785
01:31:06,280 --> 01:31:07,479
Speaker 1: to the left or a little bit up or a

1786
01:31:07,479 --> 01:31:10,280
Speaker 1: little bit downward to the right, all those babies spread

1787
01:31:10,320 --> 01:31:12,120
Speaker 1: out and you were still able to hit that turkey right.

1788
01:31:12,120 --> 01:31:14,240
Speaker 1: You mentioned that somewhere in the breast, so some of

1789
01:31:14,280 --> 01:31:17,000
Speaker 1: those hit low, but still that was a dead turkey.

1790
01:31:17,000 --> 01:31:20,040
Speaker 1: It was great in the situation of a deer. It's

1791
01:31:20,080 --> 01:31:22,439
Speaker 1: just a single projectile, so it's one single piece of

1792
01:31:22,520 --> 01:31:25,559
Speaker 1: lead or one single arrow, so that has to go

1793
01:31:25,640 --> 01:31:29,360
Speaker 1: to the to the right spot, perfectly right spot. So

1794
01:31:30,000 --> 01:31:32,479
Speaker 1: you just want to have practiced shooting a lot and

1795
01:31:32,800 --> 01:31:34,800
Speaker 1: done a lot to prepare for that moment so that

1796
01:31:34,840 --> 01:31:38,400
Speaker 1: when autopilot does kick in, when the nerves kick in. Um,

1797
01:31:38,439 --> 01:31:40,599
Speaker 1: there's something people referred to as buck fever. So it's

1798
01:31:40,640 --> 01:31:42,880
Speaker 1: kind of just this the swelling up of emotion and

1799
01:31:42,920 --> 01:31:46,599
Speaker 1: excitement and nervousness and everything just before the shot. Some

1800
01:31:46,640 --> 01:31:50,000
Speaker 1: people like freak out, start shaking, some people start hyper ventling,

1801
01:31:50,040 --> 01:31:52,320
Speaker 1: some people there's all sorts of different things that kind

1802
01:31:52,320 --> 01:31:54,439
Speaker 1: of happened to the body when this like high pressure

1803
01:31:54,479 --> 01:31:58,840
Speaker 1: moment happens. Um, the more you've practiced actually executing a

1804
01:31:58,880 --> 01:32:01,280
Speaker 1: good shot, the more likely you are to be able

1805
01:32:01,280 --> 01:32:05,800
Speaker 1: to handle that moment. Um. So my my highest level

1806
01:32:05,800 --> 01:32:08,160
Speaker 1: piece of advice would just be to take that seriously.

1807
01:32:08,439 --> 01:32:10,960
Speaker 1: Any new hunter, like, practice as much as you can.

1808
01:32:11,040 --> 01:32:13,240
Speaker 1: I had time to make sure that when you do

1809
01:32:13,320 --> 01:32:15,439
Speaker 1: finally get that shot, you can take advantage of it

1810
01:32:15,600 --> 01:32:18,599
Speaker 1: and things go things go well. You don't want to miss,

1811
01:32:18,640 --> 01:32:20,479
Speaker 1: you don't want to injure a deer and then have it,

1812
01:32:20,800 --> 01:32:23,920
Speaker 1: you know, be wounded and you're not able to recover it. Um,

1813
01:32:23,960 --> 01:32:26,559
Speaker 1: our goal is always to get a quick, clean, ethical

1814
01:32:26,640 --> 01:32:29,559
Speaker 1: kill that allows you to recover that that deer as

1815
01:32:29,600 --> 01:32:33,560
Speaker 1: quickly as possible, get a bunch of meat, and um,

1816
01:32:33,600 --> 01:32:35,880
Speaker 1: you know, be able to continue on as a as

1817
01:32:35,920 --> 01:32:40,599
Speaker 1: a successful hunter. So there's lots and lots more about

1818
01:32:40,640 --> 01:32:42,760
Speaker 1: how to properly shoot under pressure, how to learn how

1819
01:32:42,800 --> 01:32:44,280
Speaker 1: to shoot a bow, how to learn how to shoot

1820
01:32:44,320 --> 01:32:47,040
Speaker 1: a gun. That stuff is above kind of what we're

1821
01:32:47,040 --> 01:32:50,120
Speaker 1: trying to achieve here too. So there's obviously tons of

1822
01:32:50,160 --> 01:32:52,439
Speaker 1: homework that any new hunter would have to do after

1823
01:32:52,479 --> 01:32:55,840
Speaker 1: this kind of beginning guide, um about learning how to

1824
01:32:55,920 --> 01:32:57,639
Speaker 1: how to shoot a bow or a gun or whatever

1825
01:32:57,640 --> 01:33:00,200
Speaker 1: it might be. So again, lots of resources on YouTube

1826
01:33:00,280 --> 01:33:02,760
Speaker 1: or on this podcast or if you google it, there's

1827
01:33:02,800 --> 01:33:06,160
Speaker 1: lots of stuff out there. But but take that moment seriously,

1828
01:33:06,240 --> 01:33:08,599
Speaker 1: I guess, I would say would be the most important thing.

1829
01:33:08,720 --> 01:33:14,920
Speaker 1: Be prepared because it is a high intense moment. Um. No,

1830
01:33:15,080 --> 01:33:17,559
Speaker 1: that's helpful, and it's funny too, because I had no

1831
01:33:18,280 --> 01:33:24,760
Speaker 1: sort of idea how intense the shot part of the

1832
01:33:24,760 --> 01:33:28,080
Speaker 1: Turkey hunt to be until they were coming down that

1833
01:33:28,120 --> 01:33:31,720
Speaker 1: alleyway and my heart was beating and I was like,

1834
01:33:31,760 --> 01:33:34,439
Speaker 1: all right, collect yourself. This is the actual moment. So

1835
01:33:34,920 --> 01:33:37,719
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's taken up to a whole another level. Um,

1836
01:33:37,800 --> 01:33:40,280
Speaker 1: you know when it comes to box. Yeah. Yeah, So see,

1837
01:33:40,280 --> 01:33:43,320
Speaker 1: it's a multiply that Turkey moment times like a hundred,

1838
01:33:43,600 --> 01:33:45,960
Speaker 1: and then that will be what your first first deer

1839
01:33:46,040 --> 01:33:50,240
Speaker 1: might be, like, Um, is there anything and we're running

1840
01:33:50,280 --> 01:33:52,519
Speaker 1: that time? Is there anything else on the actual in

1841
01:33:52,560 --> 01:33:54,360
Speaker 1: the tree or in the woods hunt Dan that we

1842
01:33:54,400 --> 01:33:56,600
Speaker 1: absolutely should touch on here or should we jump to

1843
01:33:56,720 --> 01:33:59,400
Speaker 1: a couple of quick things on what happens afterwards? Just

1844
01:33:59,439 --> 01:34:06,040
Speaker 1: stay off your phone. Yeah, I've had some mistakes where

1845
01:34:06,080 --> 01:34:08,240
Speaker 1: I missed out on opportunities because of that, So yeah,

1846
01:34:08,240 --> 01:34:12,000
Speaker 1: stay focused. Definitely good when you're out there hunting. Try

1847
01:34:12,040 --> 01:34:16,120
Speaker 1: to avoid distraction. Um. That will always be the best

1848
01:34:16,120 --> 01:34:18,080
Speaker 1: things about hunting though, is like when you're out there

1849
01:34:18,080 --> 01:34:19,400
Speaker 1: at least the two days I was out there in

1850
01:34:19,439 --> 01:34:21,479
Speaker 1: Michigan and I turned my phone off, you know, like

1851
01:34:21,520 --> 01:34:25,240
Speaker 1: this is the best excuse to not have it on. Yeah. Yeah,

1852
01:34:25,360 --> 01:34:27,280
Speaker 1: I think that's a great way to do it because

1853
01:34:27,800 --> 01:34:30,360
Speaker 1: you can if you allow yourself to if you turn

1854
01:34:30,400 --> 01:34:32,880
Speaker 1: off those distractions and allow yourself just to take in

1855
01:34:32,960 --> 01:34:36,519
Speaker 1: everything around you. Um. That really is what's so special

1856
01:34:36,520 --> 01:34:38,439
Speaker 1: about hunting is you you get to put yourself out

1857
01:34:38,439 --> 01:34:40,960
Speaker 1: in these wild places, surrounded by wildlife, and you can

1858
01:34:41,000 --> 01:34:43,240
Speaker 1: observe and see all these different things and notice all

1859
01:34:43,280 --> 01:34:46,960
Speaker 1: these different things, and um, it's it's the complete opposite

1860
01:34:47,000 --> 01:34:49,280
Speaker 1: of most of our daily lives working in the office

1861
01:34:49,400 --> 01:34:51,920
Speaker 1: or the factory or whatever and surrounded by people and

1862
01:34:52,000 --> 01:34:54,639
Speaker 1: loud noises and all this stuff. Um. It goes back

1863
01:34:54,640 --> 01:34:56,400
Speaker 1: to we talked about in the very beginning, Connor, which

1864
01:34:56,439 --> 01:34:59,840
Speaker 1: is just enjoying that experience out there, um, soaking it

1865
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:04,160
Speaker 1: all in. So that's that's so important to do. And

1866
01:35:04,960 --> 01:35:08,919
Speaker 1: also from a pragmatic standpoint, getting the strategic can can

1867
01:35:09,000 --> 01:35:10,920
Speaker 1: ruin your chances sometimes of getting a deer, like it

1868
01:35:10,960 --> 01:35:17,400
Speaker 1: did to me this past fall. So don't do that. Um. Yeah,

1869
01:35:17,600 --> 01:35:21,080
Speaker 1: it was Holy Field. That's probably still a sore subject

1870
01:35:21,080 --> 01:35:23,599
Speaker 1: then it is. It is. That's why Dan chuckled when

1871
01:35:23,600 --> 01:35:25,920
Speaker 1: he mentioned it, because he he knew that was a

1872
01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:31,120
Speaker 1: dagger to the gut for me. Um. Now, when it

1873
01:35:31,120 --> 01:35:33,240
Speaker 1: comes to let's say, let's say you did all these

1874
01:35:33,240 --> 01:35:36,160
Speaker 1: things right, you actually had a deer come in, you

1875
01:35:36,240 --> 01:35:39,680
Speaker 1: got a shot. This deer ran off fifty yards and

1876
01:35:39,760 --> 01:35:44,400
Speaker 1: dropped over and it died quickly. And it's a perfect situation. Again,

1877
01:35:44,520 --> 01:35:46,200
Speaker 1: this is probably something you need to go watch a

1878
01:35:46,320 --> 01:35:49,559
Speaker 1: video on to see how to handle um processing that

1879
01:35:49,600 --> 01:35:51,479
Speaker 1: deer in the field. But at a high level, what

1880
01:35:51,560 --> 01:35:53,479
Speaker 1: you want to know is that you want to gut

1881
01:35:53,520 --> 01:35:56,040
Speaker 1: that deer as soon as possible, especially if it's warm

1882
01:35:56,040 --> 01:35:58,439
Speaker 1: out um, because you want to be able to preserve

1883
01:35:58,520 --> 01:36:00,880
Speaker 1: the meat as best as possible. So if you saw

1884
01:36:00,920 --> 01:36:04,240
Speaker 1: that deer run and die, go over that thing and

1885
01:36:04,280 --> 01:36:07,280
Speaker 1: then gut the deer. YouTube how to get a deer

1886
01:36:07,320 --> 01:36:08,920
Speaker 1: to learn how to do this, or go out there

1887
01:36:08,960 --> 01:36:10,800
Speaker 1: with a friend or a mentor who can show you.

1888
01:36:11,120 --> 01:36:13,439
Speaker 1: It's way too complicated to try to talk you through

1889
01:36:13,479 --> 01:36:16,640
Speaker 1: it right now over the over the skype, but you

1890
01:36:16,680 --> 01:36:18,960
Speaker 1: saw how you know, I showed you how to breast

1891
01:36:18,960 --> 01:36:21,599
Speaker 1: out and take out the legs and thighs of a turkey. Um.

1892
01:36:21,880 --> 01:36:23,400
Speaker 1: You know it's gonna be a process, that kind of

1893
01:36:23,400 --> 01:36:24,840
Speaker 1: deal where you need to learn how to open up

1894
01:36:24,880 --> 01:36:27,759
Speaker 1: the deer, take out and trails and stuff like that

1895
01:36:27,760 --> 01:36:31,120
Speaker 1: that then cools down the deer's body. And then after

1896
01:36:31,160 --> 01:36:33,559
Speaker 1: that you'll need to get that deer out of the woods,

1897
01:36:33,560 --> 01:36:36,680
Speaker 1: back to your house or back to your truck or

1898
01:36:36,720 --> 01:36:39,240
Speaker 1: back to wherever, so that you can then make the

1899
01:36:39,280 --> 01:36:42,879
Speaker 1: decision of how to process that meat. You can process

1900
01:36:42,920 --> 01:36:45,880
Speaker 1: the meat yourself. Um And again it helps to have

1901
01:36:45,960 --> 01:36:49,160
Speaker 1: a friend or a mentor someone who knows what they're doing. Um.

1902
01:36:49,280 --> 01:36:52,080
Speaker 1: But I actually learned how to process my dear from

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Speaker 1: a book. I bought a book that was like a

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Speaker 1: step by step guide to processing your own deer. So basically,

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Speaker 1: how to butcher up the meat, you know, into different pieces,

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Speaker 1: how to get it off the get off the bones,

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Speaker 1: and get it into pieces of meat that you can

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Speaker 1: then package up and putting the freezer. So I taught

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Speaker 1: myself out of a book. Um. So that's an option

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Speaker 1: for people, or there's YouTube videos out there that walk

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Speaker 1: you through everything. Or if for some reason you don't

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Speaker 1: want to do that, or you don't have the time

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Speaker 1: to do that, or you don't feel comfortable doing that,

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Speaker 1: there are lots of butcher shops and meat processors all

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Speaker 1: over the country that will do this for a small fee.

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Speaker 1: Um So that's an option too. But you just want

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Speaker 1: to do whatever you can. Gut that deer as quickly

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Speaker 1: as possible to make sure the meat stays cool. Learn

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Speaker 1: how to gut properly so you're not getting um, stomach

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Speaker 1: fluids or things on the meat that will make that

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Speaker 1: meat go bad. Um. Just take this part. Learn as

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Speaker 1: much as you can about this part, because that meat

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Speaker 1: is so important to that's at the very base of

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Speaker 1: what we're doing. That's why we're why we're hunting, is

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Speaker 1: to get that amazing organic, free range protein. So make

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Speaker 1: sure you're taking it, taking it seriously and doing good

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Speaker 1: job of getting that meat out of the woods into

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Speaker 1: your freezer. Um. And that's some good, good tasting food too.

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Speaker 1: You you had some elk, you had some caribou. Um,

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Speaker 1: So you've enjoyed stuff that's gonna taste very much like

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Speaker 1: a white tailed deer. And I think based on your

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Speaker 1: experiences that are hunting Camp Connor, you can attest to

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Speaker 1: the fact that it's it's it's something worth working towards,

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Speaker 1: right for that kind of food. Gosh, it was. It

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Speaker 1: was some of the most rush best food I've eaten

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Speaker 1: in a long time. It was really I mean, obviously,

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Speaker 1: you know, going out there in the woods naturally you

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Speaker 1: build up a hunger, but I was. I was looking

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Speaker 1: forward to every meal more so than I usually do. Yeah, so, Dan,

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Speaker 1: I mean I feel even effort. Like I came into

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Speaker 1: this podcast with like high hopes of like feeling that

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01:38:42,960 --> 01:38:45,599
Speaker 1: we cover so much, so clearly and articulately, and now

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Speaker 1: looking back on it, I'm like, Man, I feel like

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Speaker 1: we we had to gloss over so much. We had

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Speaker 1: to walk circles around so many different things. But I'm

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Speaker 1: hoping we laid out some basics that will be helpful

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Speaker 1: as someone that's brand new. Is there anything though that

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Speaker 1: you feel like we definitely missed that we have to touch?

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Speaker 1: I feel I feel this is what I feel. Um,

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Speaker 1: Connor do me a favor because guys like myself and

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Speaker 1: Mark who are in the hunting industry right we see

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Speaker 1: it every day. Um, whether it's pressure to shoot a

1953
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Speaker 1: big buck or it is you know, because we are

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Speaker 1: I don't know, we're content providers to the industry. You know,

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Speaker 1: we have to play in the world where big mature

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Speaker 1: bucks are the most important thing in the world, when

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Speaker 1: in all actuality it is not important at all. Okay,

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Speaker 1: as a new hunter, I would say, go out there

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Speaker 1: and just hunt and not worry about what size the

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Speaker 1: antlers are, how old the deer is. All that stuff

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01:39:56,479 --> 01:40:00,880
Speaker 1: can be secondary as you progress up your ladder, But

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Speaker 1: for guys like me, I, I go into a season

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Speaker 1: kind of thinking about this and it and it doesn't

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Speaker 1: necessarily take the fun out of it, but in a way,

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Speaker 1: it kind of takes the overall enjoyment of what hunting

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Speaker 1: is supposed to be about down a level. So from

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Speaker 1: from what I would say to myself as an experienced

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Speaker 1: hun or to a new hunter, don't worry about that

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Speaker 1: all that extra ship. Just go out and experience hunting

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Speaker 1: in its ross form. I agree. I think that's ah.

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Speaker 1: It goes back to, you know, kind of where we started,

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Speaker 1: that experience being out there observing, learning, connecting with these

1973
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Speaker 1: wild animals in these places in a in a different

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01:40:50,680 --> 01:40:52,840
Speaker 1: way that that only happens when you go out there

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Speaker 1: as a hunter, um, which I think you've got to

1976
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Speaker 1: begin to experience on that Turkey Enconnor and uh and

1977
01:40:58,120 --> 01:41:01,960
Speaker 1: have fun, enjoy it. Don't start out too much about it. Um.

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Speaker 1: You are out there trying to achieve a goal of

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Speaker 1: trying to get that deer, trying to get that meat.

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Speaker 1: But enjoy it too, because, um it's a it is

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Speaker 1: a millennia old, thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands

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Speaker 1: of year old tradition of humans acquiring our meat from

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Speaker 1: the land in this way, and it's uh, in my opinion,

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Speaker 1: of privilege to be able to still partake in that.

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Speaker 1: So um, so enjoy that process. So Connor, now that

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Speaker 1: you've heard all this stuff and we've confused you probably

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Speaker 1: with ten thousand different things, or do you have any

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Speaker 1: pressing questions you want to make sure we cover before

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Speaker 1: we wrap this one up? You know, No, I think

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Speaker 1: you guys fielded all my questions very well and it

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Speaker 1: was super helpful to get some pro tips from you know,

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Speaker 1: some of the best way to tail guys out there.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I think too Dan's point early on

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Speaker 1: in the show, it's pretty amazing what goes into you know,

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Speaker 1: the entire process and strategy and how long and you

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Speaker 1: know how patient you guys have to be. But ultimately

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Speaker 1: it seems like that's what makes it so fulfilling. You

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Speaker 1: know when when you get the deer and you know

1999
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Speaker 1: ultimately when it gets to your table. So you know,

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Speaker 1: it's just something my mom, I'm really looking forward to

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Speaker 1: getting into and can't thank you guys enough for for

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Speaker 1: having me on and fielding my questions. Hey, our pleasure, Connor,

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Speaker 1: and I want to extend the invite if you if

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Speaker 1: I haven't already, and I think we kind of have

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Speaker 1: talked about but if not, I would love for you

2006
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Speaker 1: to come upto Michigan and deer hunting with me at

2007
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Speaker 1: some point this year to try to take some of

2008
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Speaker 1: the things we talked about and actually try them out

2009
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Speaker 1: in the field and uh see if we can feel

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Speaker 1: your freezer with some venice and if you're interested, absolutely

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Speaker 1: challenge accepted. All right, well, uh Dan Connor, thanks guys

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Speaker 1: for this fun conversation. It's it's got me excited to

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Speaker 1: get out and hunt myself and also to continue trying

2014
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Speaker 1: to have more conversations like this, because next to hunting yourself,

2015
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Speaker 1: one of the most fulfailing things is is seeing other

2016
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Speaker 1: people getting into it. Like I had so much fun

2017
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Speaker 1: watching you and Jason kind of test the waters and

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Speaker 1: taking my nephew out of the past two springs, getting

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Speaker 1: him out there and him learning some of these things.

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Speaker 1: That has been so much fun. Um So, anyone listening

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Speaker 1: right now that is a experienced hunter but hasn't got

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Speaker 1: to take other people out. I hope you will, Um,

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Speaker 1: I hope you'll give it a try. I hope you

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Speaker 1: will try to introduce more people to what we're doing,

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Speaker 1: because I think any of us that are experienced in

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Speaker 1: this stuff, we know how fulfilling it is. We know

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Speaker 1: how great it is to to feed your family with

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Speaker 1: something that that you you know, hunted yourself, and to

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Speaker 1: be part of that whole process, and to enjoy all

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Speaker 1: these experiences. We know how great that is. So take

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Speaker 1: a little time out of your hunting season, take a

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Speaker 1: little time out of your year to to share it

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Speaker 1: with someone else. I think, um, I think you'll enjoy that,

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Speaker 1: and I think it's gonna be important for the long

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Speaker 1: term future of our hunting community and lifestyle. So that's

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Speaker 1: it for today, folks. And the only thing I add

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Speaker 1: is just a quick reminder to head on over to

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Speaker 1: iTunes and give us a quick rating review if you

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01:44:00,800 --> 01:44:03,160
Speaker 1: haven't yet. It doesn't take very long at all, but

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Speaker 1: it is a huge help. Also, make sure, if you

2041
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Speaker 1: haven't done this already, head over to the Wired to

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Speaker 1: Hunt YouTube channel and subscribe. We've got a new series

2043
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Speaker 1: coming out or a kind of a series of videos

2044
01:44:15,439 --> 01:44:18,519
Speaker 1: within our our weekly vlog series which I will be

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Speaker 1: taking a look back at my two thousand seventeen hunting

2046
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Speaker 1: season for holy Field and breaking down the decisions I made,

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Speaker 1: some of the mistakes I made, some of the lessons

2048
01:44:28,200 --> 01:44:30,639
Speaker 1: I learned, And of course if you follow this podcast,

2049
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Speaker 1: you've heard me talk about him a lot. But I

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Speaker 1: actually haven't put the video out there from two thousand

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Speaker 1: seventeen yet, so this will finally be happening. I think

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Speaker 1: you'll get a kick out of it, so make sure

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Speaker 1: you subscribe to that Wired to Hunt YouTube channel. And next,

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Speaker 1: I want to thank our partners for their support of

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Speaker 1: of course thank you all for listening. As I have

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Speaker 1: mentioned many times before in the podcast, I couldn't be

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Speaker 1: doing this without you guys, your support, your time and attention.

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Speaker 1: It is so appreciated and and I mean the the

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Speaker 1: overwhelming deluge of positive comments and emails and messages and

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Speaker 1: tweets after the news I shared last week. I just

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Speaker 1: can't thank you enough for all that. It was incredible.

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Speaker 1: You guys have lifted me up and supported me so

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Speaker 1: much and it is very very much appreciated, so until

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Speaker 1: next time, thank you and stay wired to hunt.