WEBVTT - Better Offline CES 2025: Day 6 - Epilogue

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<v Speaker 1>A Zone Media.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to the final episode of Better Offlines coverage of

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<v Speaker 2>the Consumer Electronics Show. I love you all, all right,

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<v Speaker 2>so we've made it everyone, we're on. The final day

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<v Speaker 2>is Saturday, January eleventh. We have all we conferenced ourselves

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<v Speaker 2>out a bit. We had a wonderful positive masculinity day,

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<v Speaker 2>went out and got brunch, we went got massages. Tonight

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to go get dinner. But we're here for

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<v Speaker 2>kind of a kind of an epilogue episode because yesterday

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<v Speaker 2>I thought was going to be less of a close,

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<v Speaker 2>but it turned out to be a real finale. So

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<v Speaker 2>really this is just about what we've learned at the CES.

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<v Speaker 2>So Phil, what have you learned at the CS? What

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<v Speaker 2>is it?

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<v Speaker 3>It's an ergonomics thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>So we just got massages, and man, I feel so

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<v Speaker 3>much better than I did five days standing on my

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<v Speaker 3>feet on marble in my multi decade career of gambling

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<v Speaker 3>in this fine city, and it's many beautiful slot machines

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<v Speaker 3>that we've previously discussed. I've gotten a sample a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of rooms, a lot of decor, and one of the

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<v Speaker 3>things that I've picked up is the more high end

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<v Speaker 3>your room is, the less carpet you get, so you

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<v Speaker 3>get a lot of marble to stand on, which is

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<v Speaker 3>awful on your feet. And I came back and I

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<v Speaker 3>earlier today I went looking at the pit bosses and

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<v Speaker 3>the dealers and realized they're standing on marble too. I

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<v Speaker 3>cannot imagine trying to work an entire day standing on

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<v Speaker 3>that outside.

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<v Speaker 2>So what was the lesson you learn?

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<v Speaker 3>Though, Auci, the richer you are, the more you're going

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<v Speaker 3>to hurt for style.

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<v Speaker 2>Hm hmm. Yeah. The problem is people keep thinking about

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<v Speaker 2>rich and hurt a little too much at the moment,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't really want to fuel that conversation. So

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<v Speaker 2>the thing is more comfortable shoes. I guess you need. Possibly, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we need to get you like a little kitchen pad.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually that might I'm saying that facetiously when that actually

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<v Speaker 2>might be the solution to the problem. Because Phil has

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<v Speaker 2>been tending bar. If you're for some reason choosing the

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<v Speaker 2>epilogue episode to start with, right, you're my kind of freak.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, I am joined by, of course, health

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<v Speaker 2>physicist and bartender Phil BroadOn, who has been I think

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<v Speaker 2>you've served well at least one hundred drinks this week.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh well, based on the stacks of my cups well more,

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<v Speaker 3>we're probably in the two hundred range.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you've seen most of the tech media. It's

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<v Speaker 2>been lovely. Phil has been working his ass off and

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<v Speaker 2>we're all very grateful. And most of the tech media

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<v Speaker 2>is grateful. I say that as if some of them

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't be, And well, maybe.

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<v Speaker 3>Like at eighty six from my bar, if they were.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's true. I don't think that's the case. We've

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<v Speaker 2>had like an unrelenting horde of very pleasant, lovely people.

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<v Speaker 2>And talking of that, mister Edward and Grazo Junior joins

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<v Speaker 2>us for our last day here. Hello, Hello, how you

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<v Speaker 2>feeling ed fighting the itis? You got the itis?

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I have an unconscionable amount of food in

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<v Speaker 4>my belly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we fed, we fed. Just to be clear, I

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<v Speaker 2>fed the boys up being gorged and we're only doing

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<v Speaker 2>more of it tonight.

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<v Speaker 4>This morning and more. Yeah, you can do it. Did Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I woke up with heartburn in a slightly collapsed look

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<v Speaker 4>to inflate again.

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<v Speaker 2>But other than that, you know, average better offline lessener,

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<v Speaker 2>just one step closer to the end. I just want

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<v Speaker 2>to be clear, by the way, I feel great. My

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<v Speaker 2>Masseuse told me that my body is actually doing pretty

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<v Speaker 2>well and that I need to keep doing yoga. So

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<v Speaker 2>the answer here is that the more you speak on

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<v Speaker 2>the mic, the better you feel, more powerful you become,

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<v Speaker 2>the more power you accumulate over it over the course

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<v Speaker 2>of this. But I think it's been a very It's

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<v Speaker 2>been my favorite CS ever, and Phil at this point

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<v Speaker 2>has been to eight with me. It's the eighth YEP.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think what was really fun about it, other

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<v Speaker 2>than the fact that I got to just do a

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<v Speaker 2>weird radio show for like thirteen hours, is that it's

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<v Speaker 2>given me a lot of hope about the tech media.

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<v Speaker 2>And not that it was like blackpilled or anything, not

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<v Speaker 2>that I was like, oh, this is all bad, but

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<v Speaker 2>you talk to people, the people d Gadget. We have

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<v Speaker 2>three people from n Gadget or that Max Journey from

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<v Speaker 2>Reuter's and all of these people who are like so

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<v Speaker 2>passionate and actually rave. They gave a shit, and they

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<v Speaker 2>gave a shit, and they were strategic about how they

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<v Speaker 2>gave a shit and the way they talked about it.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think you listeners can kind of agree with me.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's really heartening to hear others talk about this

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<v Speaker 2>because I feel like the byelines that some people arounder

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<v Speaker 2>they kind of rob them with that passion.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>The actually some of the best talks talks interviews for

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<v Speaker 3>our reporters that came to visit to talk about the

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<v Speaker 3>things where you I'm not going to say you crowbarred

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<v Speaker 3>out of them for tell me the best thing you saw,

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<v Speaker 3>the thing that made you happiest when you were on

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<v Speaker 3>the floor. The thing they saw that invariably made all

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<v Speaker 3>of them happiest seemed to be when they found a

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<v Speaker 3>presenter on the floor with a booth who also gave

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<v Speaker 3>a shit. Yeah, so it's not people do love tech.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>If you have come here and you hate what you're offering, uh,

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<v Speaker 3>we're gonna notice.

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<v Speaker 2>And we're going to talk about it and we will

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<v Speaker 2>talk about it.

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<v Speaker 3>But we love tech, yeah they if you're selling it,

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<v Speaker 3>you need to love tech.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think it's easy to give into the kind

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<v Speaker 2>of cynicism of the moment because the people run in

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<v Speaker 2>the tech industry and no edge. You feel this strongly.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like the people running it don't give a shit

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<v Speaker 2>about tech. Mark suck Book doesn't give a shit about Facebook.

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<v Speaker 2>He's talking about how oh yeah, we need more masculine energy,

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<v Speaker 2>just mescalin, mask escaline. I'm sure masculine.

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<v Speaker 4>Pushing mescaline down there.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's just sad because it's this kind of repressed,

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<v Speaker 2>toxic masculinity where it's about dominance, even though his platform

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<v Speaker 2>only dominates by being a monopoly of sorts. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>very sad, and I realize we've been very male weighted

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<v Speaker 2>this week. It's like it's been positive masculine experience. We've

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<v Speaker 2>had good friendships here, but also just people have all

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<v Speaker 2>genders who have been here. I've had a great time

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<v Speaker 2>because it's been about hanging out and actually talking about

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<v Speaker 2>the stuff that intrigued or made you happy or made

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<v Speaker 2>you very angry of course, and I think that it's

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<v Speaker 2>cool that we got to encapsulate that. It feels like

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<v Speaker 2>collecting years of cs into one.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So traditionally, everyone who's come to get a drink, I've

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<v Speaker 3>always asked them, tell me the thing that scared you.

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<v Speaker 3>Tell me the thing that you thought was dangerous to

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<v Speaker 3>see if I needed to call the fire marshal or

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<v Speaker 3>more likely, in the case of this show, drop a

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<v Speaker 3>line to the FDA. But the thing that I had

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<v Speaker 3>never asked, and I'm glad you were asking everyone on

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<v Speaker 3>the podcast is what what made you excited? What made

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<v Speaker 3>you happy? Because that's something I never did, and I

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<v Speaker 3>realized that may have been not great energy I was

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<v Speaker 3>bringing to the bar in past years.

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<v Speaker 2>I think within the and as the real ED heads, No,

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<v Speaker 2>the real Zitron Law people, they'll know. But the previous

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<v Speaker 2>form of this was a p offen thing. Me. Look, Kevin,

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<v Speaker 2>what we'd come out here, would have journals over, wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>do any pitch in, but we'd have them in and

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<v Speaker 2>have a good laugh with this. It felt like we

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<v Speaker 2>were actually building something cool and so Ed you had fun?

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<v Speaker 4>Right, mm hmm?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Did you actually like finding? And it's okay if

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<v Speaker 2>the answer is no, Did you actually find anything that

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<v Speaker 2>gave you any hope? No, that's fun, I mean no,

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<v Speaker 2>But talk to me about that, because there's nothing wrong

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<v Speaker 2>with that. Answers just yeah, what was it?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean?

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<v Speaker 4>I think you know, I am not the market demographic

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<v Speaker 4>for a lot of these things. I have little to

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<v Speaker 4>no interest in filling my home with gizmos, gadgets or toys.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not really Also, as a result of that, in

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<v Speaker 4>need of souping up the grid in my home, the

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<v Speaker 4>appliances right, adding smart layers to them. I'm not too

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<v Speaker 4>interested in healthcare management. I mean, most of the things

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<v Speaker 4>that I like and I'm interested in there are things

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<v Speaker 4>that like I can make myself hands on, don't really

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<v Speaker 4>require the intervention of smart or algorithmic enabled.

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<v Speaker 2>Wi Fi, various apps and such, you know, and so

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<v Speaker 2>on that front, I'm not too interested.

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<v Speaker 4>And then there's the other you know, there's a part

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<v Speaker 4>of me that though, is very interested in tech just

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<v Speaker 4>to see what is being developed and offered to other people,

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<v Speaker 4>especially people who are in need of things, people who

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<v Speaker 4>are disabled, people who are makers, people are inventors, right,

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<v Speaker 4>they are just interested in creating something and offering it

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<v Speaker 4>to other people.

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<v Speaker 2>Cool.

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<v Speaker 4>But you know, I think CS is also not the

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<v Speaker 4>place for me to find hope, and that because of

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<v Speaker 4>how much of the tech either it simply does not

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<v Speaker 4>exist or is in a prototype form that, as I

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<v Speaker 4>talk to more people, is synonymous with like perpetual delay

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<v Speaker 4>and times not even like a not even a release

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<v Speaker 4>or release in a pair of back form. So I

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<v Speaker 4>feel like it's more so I come here. I didn't

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<v Speaker 4>come here looking for magic. I am surprised by how

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<v Speaker 4>much offered just did not connect with.

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<v Speaker 2>Me, right because you weren't coming in here just as

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<v Speaker 2>a po height. When we talked about this rich and

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<v Speaker 2>that you were like, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I literally didn't like you know. I was like,

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<v Speaker 4>I was like, okay, is the ces. How much of

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<v Speaker 4>CS is, like here's an actual product I can pick

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<v Speaker 4>up try, and how much of it is like we

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<v Speaker 4>are selling so that another business can notice and buy

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<v Speaker 4>it from us, or an investor can back us. And

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<v Speaker 4>so learning that the division and the amount in which

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<v Speaker 4>any many of these tech products fell or the category

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<v Speaker 4>in which many of these tech products fell was interesting.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean the best part was for me just like

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<v Speaker 4>conversations with people as a chance to both reflect on

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<v Speaker 4>what we were being seen or what we were being

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<v Speaker 4>shown and what we saw on the floor and one

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<v Speaker 4>had been seen by other writers, and then also just

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<v Speaker 4>talking about the tech industry and media coverage in general.

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<v Speaker 4>I feel like that was the part that actually having

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<v Speaker 4>analogously gave hope in the sense that it's affirming to

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<v Speaker 4>hear other people, even if they are excited about things

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<v Speaker 4>that I'm not talk about the limitations of the shortcomings

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<v Speaker 4>of something that you know, when I was presented it

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<v Speaker 4>as an object, felt like something that was like a

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<v Speaker 4>staple in the industry that everyone loved and came to

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<v Speaker 4>and understood, had its own integral role that was not

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<v Speaker 4>to be two nice too much.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, it's a weird show as well, I

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<v Speaker 2>imagine for the first time, because it's like when you

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<v Speaker 2>don't know this format, this place is kind of insane.

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<v Speaker 2>Just to map this out for the listeners. So we're

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<v Speaker 2>in the Venetians, so we have one of the best

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<v Speaker 2>places to be as far as the regular show goes

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<v Speaker 2>in that we have a hotel, the Venetian that has

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<v Speaker 2>the connected Sans ex Post Center, which is now called

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<v Speaker 2>the Venetian Expost Center. This is where a chunk of

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<v Speaker 2>it is. Then to get to the LVCC, you have

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<v Speaker 2>to either take an uber and then walk a mile.

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<v Speaker 2>When your uber guy goes, I'm not dry, I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>gonna wait, man, it's gonna be two hours. You then

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<v Speaker 2>walk probably a quarter of a mile to a door

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<v Speaker 2>and at that point you realize it's the wrong door,

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<v Speaker 2>so you have to then walk another probably point one

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<v Speaker 2>miles to the badge person who will then tell you

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<v Speaker 2>now you make it's the other badge person inside. Then

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<v Speaker 2>so at this point you spent like an hour and

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<v Speaker 2>a half getting there, and now you can get your

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<v Speaker 2>badge of other places. Perhaps you arrived with it. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>now you can walk through like a what's probably about

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<v Speaker 2>three miles of walking a day just minimum in the

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<v Speaker 2>main hole just.

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<v Speaker 3>To no, it's three miles walking just to get to it.

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<v Speaker 2>And then yeah, okay, but I mean like just spending

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<v Speaker 2>the day in there. And so after this you just

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<v Speaker 2>see like either the largest television or the biggest lie,

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<v Speaker 2>depending on the room you're in. And it's I imagine

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<v Speaker 2>it's kind of strange for me.

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<v Speaker 4>I think I'm just.

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<v Speaker 2>Kind of numb to it at this point.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you remember the advice that I gave you for

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<v Speaker 3>you asked you've been You've done this before. I feel

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<v Speaker 3>what should I go look for? And I haven't done

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<v Speaker 3>this in a while, But just one of those when

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<v Speaker 3>you see the hall of TVs unless you really want that,

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<v Speaker 3>know that you've this is nothing but that keep moving

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<v Speaker 3>through to look for something else. Because a giant TV

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<v Speaker 3>is a giant TV. And we've talked about a human

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<v Speaker 3>who exists only to wave behind the transparent one but

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<v Speaker 3>the odd take us back to erconomics. The thing that

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<v Speaker 3>Robert Evans said to me at the bar for the

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<v Speaker 3>best thing about the TV pavilion was not the TVs

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<v Speaker 3>with incredibly cushy floor so that he could actually rest.

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<v Speaker 2>His feet from a pile carpet is pretty sweet. But

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<v Speaker 2>just to give you an idea, if you have never

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<v Speaker 2>done this before, a good.

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<v Speaker 4>Chunk of it feels like being in a best Buy

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<v Speaker 4>on Black Friday.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that's actually it. But if no one's shopping, they're

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<v Speaker 2>just loitering. Yes, yeah, and it's so weird as well.

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<v Speaker 2>But I wouldn't have done it with anyone else. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just interesting to see cees bounce off of someone, not

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<v Speaker 2>because they're not trying, but because they've realized the edifice

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<v Speaker 2>of cees, which is, hey, check out all the stuff

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<v Speaker 2>we won't make.

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<v Speaker 4>I would have driven a test off the bridge if

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<v Speaker 4>I had to come here myself with.

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<v Speaker 2>With like an outlet, yeah, you know, like a real person.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my god, Especially because the mode of engagement to

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<v Speaker 4>be much more different. I mean here had felt like

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<v Speaker 4>I got the chance to kind of drift around each day.

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<v Speaker 4>I felt like I was focusing on a different part

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<v Speaker 4>of the floor based on what I did or didn't

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<v Speaker 4>get to do, based on conversations I have with people,

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<v Speaker 4>They're like, oh, I actually was really interested in this,

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<v Speaker 4>and I think coming in with less preparation than an

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<v Speaker 4>outlet might have had for me in the sense that

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<v Speaker 4>like wasn't honed in and hunting for and prepping over

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<v Speaker 4>how to how to think about and how to engage

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<v Speaker 4>with like the fintech. It was more like I stumbled

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<v Speaker 4>upon them. Oh, what a pleasant surprise. Oh they're talking

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<v Speaker 4>about AI agents. Let's talk for a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>It was it felt like I got to experience it

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<v Speaker 4>both as like maybe a consumer might and also a

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<v Speaker 4>bit as in my capacity as someone who's wondering, Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>if the presentation of this is for the consumer, then like,

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<v Speaker 4>if you're walking around in it and you happen to

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<v Speaker 4>know a bit about the industry or various products, what

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<v Speaker 4>would you think about it if you're also if your

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<v Speaker 4>if your intention is not just to like reported back

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<v Speaker 4>to consumers so that they can get like a repackaged

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<v Speaker 4>form of what's been presented here.

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<v Speaker 3>This is one of the things I was really excited

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<v Speaker 3>to hear yesterday from Cherylyn about the process that n

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<v Speaker 3>Gadget does for how they prepare to go to the show,

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<v Speaker 3>which right, it's fun with clean eyes to have none

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<v Speaker 3>of that just to encounter it face first, smack into

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<v Speaker 3>the wall. But that process from any gadget very cool.

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<v Speaker 3>Y I had no idea, and I'm happy I heard it,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm happy that.

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<v Speaker 2>The listeners had it as well, because gone back to

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<v Speaker 2>the black pill thing, like, it's very easy to get

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<v Speaker 2>cynical about the tech media, and I have been extremely

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<v Speaker 2>critical of the tech media, but then you look at

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<v Speaker 2>the people we've brought in. We had Kyushanod from Las

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<v Speaker 2>Vegas some for example, such a delightful surprise, that guy,

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<v Speaker 2>young guy. But also getting into the labor stuff, the

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<v Speaker 2>fact you've got someone who writes about tech because they're

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<v Speaker 2>not because they're a tech report. But then you look

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<v Speaker 2>at and Gadget, a place that people myself, it was

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<v Speaker 2>just a gadget blog, and they actually really tried, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's interesting to see them. There's so much personality in

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<v Speaker 2>the tech media that just we had no I really

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<v Speaker 2>I knew some of these people, but I didn't know

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<v Speaker 2>how bad they cook. A lot of them, like all

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<v Speaker 2>of we didn't have one bum guest.

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<v Speaker 3>Also in terms of the eight years we've done this

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<v Speaker 3>from my point of view, in terms of providing respite

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<v Speaker 3>two journalists journalists, and indeed it's sketching, had journalists getting

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<v Speaker 3>respite in the suite for a chance to breathe.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's it.

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<v Speaker 3>For the first time in all these years, I had

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<v Speaker 3>had people one saying I'm so happy to be back.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm so happy to get another drink for you. The

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<v Speaker 3>five years of COVID, I've missed you. And also Gere just.

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<v Speaker 2>Relaxed and get I just want to say I can get.

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<v Speaker 2>Evis is just insanely talented. I am so happy we

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<v Speaker 2>got them on so many episodes.

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<v Speaker 3>I saw geras fairly high energy you might have noticed

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<v Speaker 3>from some podcast, But I watched Garrett just sort of

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<v Speaker 3>take a breath and slump into a chair for a moment.

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<v Speaker 2>They could be off and I think that's nice, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think of better Offline is such a bizarre podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Looking at Mattasowski's like, yeah it is. My producer heard

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<v Speaker 2>one from Mattasowski. It's funny. This show started off as

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<v Speaker 2>a joke and then it became something. You know, It

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<v Speaker 2>started off as a thing where I was talking about

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<v Speaker 2>how pissed off I was about wet brothers like the

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<v Speaker 2>winkle Uses or the rot economy and everything. But as

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<v Speaker 2>we get to see, well, well, well if it isn't

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<v Speaker 2>the winkle Us brothers, but it's it's interesting how it's

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<v Speaker 2>growing because I've been thinking about CEOs quite literally for

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<v Speaker 2>a year. So Robert Gare and I were sitting around

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<v Speaker 2>at Spego where we were actually going tonight taking my

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<v Speaker 2>boys out. Got to treat them. That's the one thing, like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm lucky enough to have this podcast. I've been treating them,

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<v Speaker 2>treating everyone. It's lovely. But in all seriousness, I was

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<v Speaker 2>sitting there with ROBERM and Get and just kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like slightly worried both about the podcast. But I got

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<v Speaker 2>that done. We don't need to belabor that. I really

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<v Speaker 2>should stop repeating that. In fact, anyway, I sat there

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<v Speaker 2>and like, shit, how am I gonna do? Cees? And

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<v Speaker 2>I spent the year in phil and I have talked

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<v Speaker 2>about this many many many times, and the thing that

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<v Speaker 2>I think that we needed to do, which I think

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<v Speaker 2>we mostly did, was not just be like, hey, here's

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<v Speaker 2>all the shit that you see at the show. Your

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<v Speaker 2>hogs but it also try and capture, even though people

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<v Speaker 2>kind of hate it, try and capture the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>there is a week long thing in the tech media

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<v Speaker 2>where everyone comes to one place kind of parties together.

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<v Speaker 2>Then does journalism ostensibly, but like there's this whole thing

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<v Speaker 2>that's been virtually uncovered. It's just this is like Aspen

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<v Speaker 2>for tech media, except you. Really, I don't think as

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<v Speaker 2>many dark thoughts when I think of it, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>and I think we successfully got that. And listeners, I

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<v Speaker 2>would love to hear you feedback. You've been quite generous

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<v Speaker 2>with it so far. Nineteen nine percent of it loved it,

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<v Speaker 2>one percent Calm down. But it's in I think we

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<v Speaker 2>have successfully captured phil what we have always captured here,

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<v Speaker 2>which is, hey, here's just one fucking place you can

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<v Speaker 2>sit down and like try and like process the things

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<v Speaker 2>you have been hit with over the last week.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, Also, I just remembered it as I took

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<v Speaker 3>a sip of black Ludden Energy courses through me Again.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to take a moment to give special thanks

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<v Speaker 3>to someone who almost never gets thanked, that has made

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<v Speaker 3>sure that this suitet worked.

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<v Speaker 2>Mothers give it up.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks mom, But also twenty eighth floor housekeeping staff at

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<v Speaker 3>the Venetia and Venetian. Big up, particularly Alice. Alice, you

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<v Speaker 3>have made sure that I've been able to keep the

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<v Speaker 3>filthy pig style that I keep making of the place

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<v Speaker 3>and people walking through look nice. I could not have

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<v Speaker 3>done this without you, Alice.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 4>Alice is that who wrote the note?

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<v Speaker 2>No, that was okay. There was a note in here

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<v Speaker 2>that said their old dead head run and that would

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<v Speaker 2>be Robert Evans the the like like the tricks to

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<v Speaker 2>God that I work for, mister Mixey is the world? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>actually yes, Robert has missed the world exactly like a

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<v Speaker 2>Crisp and Glover figure that shows up to be like

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<v Speaker 2>podcast time.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 3>Alice is the one who gave me the extra ice bucket.

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<v Speaker 3>Alice gave the welcome note to this room.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, because it said because I noticed it, it said Alice.

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<v Speaker 3>That's because I wrote her name down, okay, to make

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<v Speaker 3>sure I did not forget right.

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<v Speaker 2>Please don't kill me, Alice. But in all seriousness, now

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<v Speaker 2>the Venetian's been lovely. It's been so weird as well,

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<v Speaker 2>just like standing up this thing. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>everyone listening to this is like, look at my Instagram

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<v Speaker 2>or my Blue Sky. I hope you have I need attention,

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<v Speaker 2>but also I want you to know how great this

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<v Speaker 2>setup has been. We've had this recessed area in the

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<v Speaker 2>Venetian and honestly, it's just been extremely heartening for two reasons.

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<v Speaker 2>One having some solidarity in this fucking tech media. It

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<v Speaker 2>has been such a rough year for so many people.

0:21:17.760 --> 0:21:20.360
<v Speaker 2>Twenty twenty four was an insane year. But also right

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<v Speaker 2>now the tech media feels and I say this having

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<v Speaker 2>done a thing where I yelled at them, but Lord almighty,

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<v Speaker 2>I've never seen less solidarity, but I kind of saw

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<v Speaker 2>it this week. Everyone seemed happy to see each other

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<v Speaker 2>when they got on the mic together. They were generous

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<v Speaker 2>with their time. They were excited to vibe off of

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<v Speaker 2>each other. There was no like vacuous competitiveness or anything

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<v Speaker 2>like that. Everyone was so giving with their time, not

0:21:44.840 --> 0:21:46.359
<v Speaker 2>just with me, but with each other. They were shooting

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<v Speaker 2>the shit. They were happy to see each other. It

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<v Speaker 2>was great, And I think that this is a time

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<v Speaker 2>where as things get a bit rough with big tech

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<v Speaker 2>and within society, this is the time to pull together.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm happy that whatever this week has been, which

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<v Speaker 2>is insane, by the way, just the entire idea. I

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<v Speaker 2>hope that that has created that, and I hope that

0:22:03.760 --> 0:22:06.320
<v Speaker 2>you the listener have heard that. And I was about

0:22:06.320 --> 0:22:08.920
<v Speaker 2>to say, you appreciate that, I don't believe. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I hope you've got that vibe.

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<v Speaker 3>So you you talked about the vibe people together here,

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<v Speaker 3>talking and happy. So effectively, I'm with the bar, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>running the green room for what you're getting to hear

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<v Speaker 3>over here. When people leave here and the next crew

0:22:34.720 --> 0:22:37.639
<v Speaker 3>rotates in for your listening pleasure, the old crew does

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<v Speaker 3>not immediately bolt for the door. They actually sat down

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<v Speaker 3>with each other and they enjoyed each other's time.

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<v Speaker 2>I did notice that, And it's cool when we like

0:22:45.960 --> 0:22:47.800
<v Speaker 2>cycle out people like ed like you go back to

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<v Speaker 2>have a chat with them, and I realized, like, you've

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<v Speaker 2>been like somewhat unimpressed with the actual stuff, but you

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<v Speaker 2>seem to have had a good time with everyone.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, I had a great time with everyone. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>I had a great time with the people.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And I think that it's it's about the people,

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<v Speaker 2>but it kind of is like I'm here to see

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<v Speaker 2>the dude AD's gizmos and the apps. No, it's to

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<v Speaker 2>pull together the tech media to have a conversation with

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<v Speaker 2>people and try and actually talk about what happens here,

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<v Speaker 2>because as of what was kind of getting earlier, this

0:23:14.320 --> 0:23:16.960
<v Speaker 2>place like Vegas is a fascinating place in and of itself,

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<v Speaker 2>so we see us even if the stuff is kind

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<v Speaker 2>of the same as last year, even capturing that mood

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<v Speaker 2>is kind of important and bringing you fresh was I'm

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<v Speaker 2>really happy.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, No, I'm really happy you brought me in. I mean,

0:23:27.280 --> 0:23:34.960
<v Speaker 4>this was definitely an imprint experience. It's definitely left its

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<v Speaker 4>mark on me.

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<v Speaker 3>Would you have even dreamed, coming into the getting on

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<v Speaker 3>a plane coming to Las Vegas that you were about

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<v Speaker 3>to meet the cryt readers for two of your favorite authors.

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<v Speaker 4>No, a lot of crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was.

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<v Speaker 4>That was such a wild turn of events for listener

0:23:55.200 --> 0:23:59.000
<v Speaker 4>who don't know they are. Father Gabriel and Phil are

0:23:59.240 --> 0:24:04.600
<v Speaker 4>krit readers for Christopher Rock Casino and Charles Strauss, who

0:24:04.640 --> 0:24:08.760
<v Speaker 4>are two of my you know, favorite writers right now.

0:24:08.880 --> 0:24:13.480
<v Speaker 4>Charstrusta sci fi Christopher Rock Casino does is doing like

0:24:13.560 --> 0:24:20.240
<v Speaker 4>a science fantasy series Sun Eater, which you should definitely

0:24:20.320 --> 0:24:23.920
<v Speaker 4>check out if you are interested in romans in space. Yea,

0:24:24.640 --> 0:24:29.119
<v Speaker 4>but yeah, space romans that are in the deconstruction of

0:24:29.240 --> 0:24:33.160
<v Speaker 4>Dune and Star Wars, and also without like the turgent

0:24:33.280 --> 0:24:36.520
<v Speaker 4>pros of Foundation and the Foundation series.

0:24:36.920 --> 0:24:39.159
<v Speaker 3>These are the happy surprises that happened when you just

0:24:39.359 --> 0:24:40.760
<v Speaker 3>sit down start talking.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a great moment where Robert Evans and Father

0:24:44.440 --> 0:24:47.600
<v Speaker 2>Gabriel and Edim graz So Junior was sitting around for

0:24:47.720 --> 0:24:50.320
<v Speaker 2>like twenty straight minutes and they were having the They

0:24:50.359 --> 0:24:52.359
<v Speaker 2>were like, yoh, but hegel and they were like, no,

0:24:52.720 --> 0:24:55.000
<v Speaker 2>naming all these philosophers. And I was just sitting there

0:24:55.960 --> 0:24:59.040
<v Speaker 2>and I think I understand what Babo my cat feels

0:24:59.119 --> 0:25:01.840
<v Speaker 2>like when I can talk to it, because I was

0:25:01.960 --> 0:25:05.720
<v Speaker 2>just looking at it, just like wow, I know these names,

0:25:06.200 --> 0:25:08.679
<v Speaker 2>but they're connecting them in ways that clearly involve knowledge.

0:25:08.680 --> 0:25:11.080
<v Speaker 2>And then after twenty minutes, I just said, fuck, is

0:25:11.119 --> 0:25:14.719
<v Speaker 2>this what is like? What's it like being smart? Anyway,

0:25:14.760 --> 0:25:18.120
<v Speaker 2>that's the experience I bring to the sweep. But honestly,

0:25:18.560 --> 0:25:21.040
<v Speaker 2>it's been kind of fun watching everyone just talk. I

0:25:21.119 --> 0:25:23.560
<v Speaker 2>want this to be and I want you the listener,

0:25:23.680 --> 0:25:25.359
<v Speaker 2>to be pulled into this and to kind of feel

0:25:25.400 --> 0:25:28.560
<v Speaker 2>this because putting aside the very obvious and well documented

0:25:28.680 --> 0:25:30.879
<v Speaker 2>side of CS of that it's full of shit that

0:25:31.000 --> 0:25:33.200
<v Speaker 2>never goes anywhere, and everyone's kind of annoyed. The taking

0:25:33.280 --> 0:25:38.119
<v Speaker 2>full of people. It's also full of people sorry for

0:25:38.280 --> 0:25:42.560
<v Speaker 2>you were there. No no, no, I'm yeah. Ed is

0:25:42.600 --> 0:25:44.679
<v Speaker 2>a well drank and well fed as we all are.

0:25:45.000 --> 0:25:47.440
<v Speaker 2>But also we have had five straight days of just

0:25:47.560 --> 0:25:49.680
<v Speaker 2>like our brains being punished.

0:25:49.880 --> 0:25:52.880
<v Speaker 3>No really, I think this might be a massage recovery

0:25:53.000 --> 0:25:56.320
<v Speaker 3>as all the tensions holding me together, they removed it.

0:25:56.960 --> 0:25:59.000
<v Speaker 3>And I'm feeling real.

0:25:58.920 --> 0:26:03.359
<v Speaker 4>Good being my stomach for five hours and I was

0:26:03.440 --> 0:26:04.600
<v Speaker 4>rubbing into thought you.

0:26:04.640 --> 0:26:06.080
<v Speaker 2>Were just accumulating wealth.

0:26:06.320 --> 0:26:09.199
<v Speaker 4>I ran to this like the Buddha booth. I mean

0:26:09.280 --> 0:26:11.240
<v Speaker 4>I ran to the sweet last night because I was

0:26:11.280 --> 0:26:12.160
<v Speaker 4>gonna because.

0:26:12.320 --> 0:26:17.000
<v Speaker 3>No, there was a crisis. It had to be addressed.

0:26:17.200 --> 0:26:22.240
<v Speaker 2>Moving on, we're talking about how nice the solidary where no, no, no, no, no,

0:26:22.680 --> 0:26:23.840
<v Speaker 2>there was solidarity there.

0:26:24.040 --> 0:26:28.040
<v Speaker 4>No, I will not.

0:26:28.480 --> 0:26:30.399
<v Speaker 2>I was just about to do a whole thing about

0:26:30.480 --> 0:26:32.520
<v Speaker 2>how like We've had a bunch of guys in the suite,

0:26:32.840 --> 0:26:34.680
<v Speaker 2>and I think for the most part we've done good

0:26:34.800 --> 0:26:39.400
<v Speaker 2>positive masculinity without talking too much about our bowel movements.

0:26:39.760 --> 0:26:43.159
<v Speaker 2>I've got in his way talk beginning and then the

0:26:43.240 --> 0:26:46.200
<v Speaker 2>beginning with the vulnerable. I'm glad that we've got rotors

0:26:46.520 --> 0:26:49.320
<v Speaker 2>quotation on the Horny check like, but also I'm tired

0:26:49.359 --> 0:26:52.040
<v Speaker 2>of people on the Reddit asking to well for one,

0:26:52.760 --> 0:26:54.480
<v Speaker 2>but I think for the most part, we've I hope

0:26:54.480 --> 0:26:56.080
<v Speaker 2>we've shown like a bunch of guys hanging out have

0:26:56.160 --> 0:26:59.000
<v Speaker 2>don't don't have to be like nasty assholes. Just we've

0:26:59.080 --> 0:27:00.600
<v Speaker 2>not been tearing each other down. And I want this

0:27:00.960 --> 0:27:04.320
<v Speaker 2>because this industry is very male dominated, and something we

0:27:04.400 --> 0:27:06.880
<v Speaker 2>do want to do better next year is I want

0:27:07.119 --> 0:27:10.680
<v Speaker 2>more woman in this more diverse voice is like this thing.

0:27:11.040 --> 0:27:12.520
<v Speaker 2>And I know some of you have brought this up,

0:27:12.560 --> 0:27:15.120
<v Speaker 2>and it's a fair criticism we had. We really only

0:27:15.200 --> 0:27:18.480
<v Speaker 2>had like three woman on there, and it's not enough.

0:27:18.560 --> 0:27:20.360
<v Speaker 2>And so we're going to do a much better job

0:27:20.440 --> 0:27:22.280
<v Speaker 2>next year. And we've already like making plans for this

0:27:22.359 --> 0:27:25.720
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty six. We are going to improve this show

0:27:26.040 --> 0:27:29.200
<v Speaker 2>on that level. But also I think we are going

0:27:29.320 --> 0:27:31.200
<v Speaker 2>to try and in as much as we can sync

0:27:31.320 --> 0:27:34.200
<v Speaker 2>up on coverage with these outlets and actually bring them in.

0:27:34.600 --> 0:27:36.760
<v Speaker 2>Because the big thing is is like better Offline's pretty big.

0:27:36.760 --> 0:27:38.800
<v Speaker 2>Now I can't even say how big because I am

0:27:38.920 --> 0:27:41.600
<v Speaker 2>told not to, but it's big. We have a real

0:27:41.680 --> 0:27:43.159
<v Speaker 2>audience now. And the thing I think we can do

0:27:43.240 --> 0:27:44.879
<v Speaker 2>with this show is, first of all, show you, the

0:27:44.960 --> 0:27:47.920
<v Speaker 2>wonderful listener, what's going on in the tech industry. And

0:27:48.000 --> 0:27:50.000
<v Speaker 2>what's going on in the tech industry is not just

0:27:50.560 --> 0:27:52.200
<v Speaker 2>the thing you see on the page. Even people have

0:27:52.320 --> 0:27:55.640
<v Speaker 2>criticized those people behind the byline are held by these

0:27:55.720 --> 0:27:59.400
<v Speaker 2>restraints of editorial bullshit. But on top of that, there's

0:27:59.400 --> 0:28:01.479
<v Speaker 2>only so much do If you're like writing about laptop,

0:28:01.520 --> 0:28:03.800
<v Speaker 2>how much we know about that person. So I want

0:28:03.840 --> 0:28:07.400
<v Speaker 2>this show to be that now. And when it comes

0:28:07.440 --> 0:28:09.720
<v Speaker 2>to things like CES, I don't know where else they go.

0:28:09.800 --> 0:28:10.320
<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to.

0:28:10.359 --> 0:28:13.800
<v Speaker 4>South By, No, yeah you will. You gotta do it.

0:28:13.880 --> 0:28:15.480
<v Speaker 4>You gotta see how Crypto's taking it over.

0:28:15.600 --> 0:28:18.320
<v Speaker 2>Don't want to That sounds awful, It is awful. My

0:28:18.400 --> 0:28:20.480
<v Speaker 2>friends aren't there. It's the people.

0:28:20.280 --> 0:28:21.320
<v Speaker 4>Wholly white will go.

0:28:21.600 --> 0:28:23.879
<v Speaker 2>Maybe Molly White's great, but I would rather just like

0:28:24.040 --> 0:28:28.400
<v Speaker 2>fly to Boston or whatever. Yeah, but nevertheless, this show

0:28:28.680 --> 0:28:31.640
<v Speaker 2>is important to the tech industry. Yeah, and yet it's

0:28:31.760 --> 0:28:35.920
<v Speaker 2>completely uncovered what actually happens here. There's a lot of

0:28:36.000 --> 0:28:39.680
<v Speaker 2>stuff about this robot does this, and this vacuum has

0:28:39.720 --> 0:28:43.200
<v Speaker 2>an arm now, but not the actual vibe, not the

0:28:43.240 --> 0:28:46.640
<v Speaker 2>actual feel, and it's interesting to finally capture that and

0:28:47.120 --> 0:28:48.280
<v Speaker 2>put it in a bottle. Yeah.

0:28:48.320 --> 0:28:50.280
<v Speaker 4>No, that's interesting because when I was trying to look

0:28:50.320 --> 0:28:52.160
<v Speaker 4>over covered to get a sense of what to expect,

0:28:52.240 --> 0:28:56.520
<v Speaker 4>it really was just people talking about past products and

0:28:56.680 --> 0:29:03.520
<v Speaker 4>not like actual morale, energy, enthusiasm, lack thereof impact too.

0:29:03.960 --> 0:29:06.200
<v Speaker 3>Larger society and programs.

0:29:05.960 --> 0:29:08.920
<v Speaker 2>As well, But even then, the tech industry and the

0:29:09.000 --> 0:29:12.080
<v Speaker 2>tech media, it's full of these weird, wonderful people we've

0:29:12.120 --> 0:29:15.200
<v Speaker 2>had all week. And I feel like, and if you

0:29:15.360 --> 0:29:17.680
<v Speaker 2>the listener disagree with this, please let me know, but

0:29:17.720 --> 0:29:19.800
<v Speaker 2>it feels like people have responded really well to just

0:29:20.520 --> 0:29:24.240
<v Speaker 2>hearing the people behind these bylines and actually talking about this,

0:29:24.520 --> 0:29:24.760
<v Speaker 2>and that.

0:29:25.000 --> 0:29:29.800
<v Speaker 3>Those people got a chance to expand on what they

0:29:29.920 --> 0:29:32.640
<v Speaker 3>saw and what they felt in a way maybe they

0:29:32.640 --> 0:29:35.760
<v Speaker 3>even constrained from doing for a while, and not.

0:29:35.800 --> 0:29:38.560
<v Speaker 2>Even for malevolent reasons. It's just that, Yeah, if you

0:29:38.640 --> 0:29:41.320
<v Speaker 2>are writing a gadget blog and you write about gadgets,

0:29:41.360 --> 0:29:44.440
<v Speaker 2>there's not really much space for editorializing someone. We didn't

0:29:44.440 --> 0:29:47.160
<v Speaker 2>get on with. Michael Fisher, one of my favorite YouTubers,

0:29:47.480 --> 0:29:50.040
<v Speaker 2>and he has done a really good job of expanding

0:29:50.280 --> 0:29:53.520
<v Speaker 2>his YouTube I sound one hundred years long. He's got

0:29:53.600 --> 0:29:56.840
<v Speaker 2>one of those YouTube channels with the videos now Utebliss.

0:29:57.000 --> 0:30:00.520
<v Speaker 2>One of the light boxes captures his form. But he

0:30:00.720 --> 0:30:03.440
<v Speaker 2>was here. Sadly missed him going to see him for dinner.

0:30:03.480 --> 0:30:06.320
<v Speaker 2>I think next week. Nevertheless, he has done a really

0:30:06.360 --> 0:30:09.200
<v Speaker 2>good thing of explaining kind of the effema around his travel,

0:30:09.320 --> 0:30:11.480
<v Speaker 2>how like travel weighs upon him, how there are emotional

0:30:11.600 --> 0:30:15.120
<v Speaker 2>contexts to places he goes, the societal parts. He did

0:30:15.160 --> 0:30:16.800
<v Speaker 2>a great thing where he was in India talking about

0:30:16.800 --> 0:30:20.080
<v Speaker 2>the smog, for example. You can do more with this medium,

0:30:21.000 --> 0:30:23.640
<v Speaker 2>and I think that there's so much more interesting things

0:30:23.680 --> 0:30:26.280
<v Speaker 2>that we could do even with this show, because let's

0:30:26.320 --> 0:30:28.760
<v Speaker 2>be honest, you've got I don't actually know how many

0:30:28.840 --> 0:30:31.720
<v Speaker 2>actual reporters are here because the list includes every single

0:30:31.800 --> 0:30:34.960
<v Speaker 2>possible person who could ever mention words. But I would

0:30:34.960 --> 0:30:37.000
<v Speaker 2>say there's at least one hundred members of the tech

0:30:37.080 --> 0:30:39.520
<v Speaker 2>media here, like died in the Wall, actual tech media.

0:30:40.200 --> 0:30:42.680
<v Speaker 2>And the fact is there isn't a damn place where

0:30:42.720 --> 0:30:45.640
<v Speaker 2>other than like Twitter and Blue Sky, whether actually you're

0:30:45.640 --> 0:30:47.400
<v Speaker 2>actually able to get to know these people. I want

0:30:47.440 --> 0:30:49.080
<v Speaker 2>better offline to be that on some level it's not

0:30:49.280 --> 0:30:50.960
<v Speaker 2>just going to be that it's not just the kind

0:30:51.040 --> 0:30:53.200
<v Speaker 2>of mix of stuff, but I think it's a helpful

0:30:53.200 --> 0:30:55.120
<v Speaker 2>function of what the show could be in the future.

0:30:56.440 --> 0:30:58.960
<v Speaker 3>So something I've while I don't go to the floor

0:30:59.000 --> 0:31:04.240
<v Speaker 3>because I'm attending something that I do get to do

0:31:04.520 --> 0:31:13.080
<v Speaker 3>at Defcon and at Photonics West is watching for governmental

0:31:13.360 --> 0:31:16.040
<v Speaker 3>entities that are actually attending the show as well. And

0:31:16.160 --> 0:31:19.320
<v Speaker 3>it's a tradition at Defcon to play the game spot

0:31:19.360 --> 0:31:23.120
<v Speaker 3>the Nark, which is if you can find the member

0:31:23.200 --> 0:31:25.920
<v Speaker 3>of a given government agency and they've started playing with

0:31:26.040 --> 0:31:28.480
<v Speaker 3>it and actually having official booths and saying, can you

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<v Speaker 3>guess which agency.

0:31:29.680 --> 0:31:30.160
<v Speaker 2>I work for?

0:31:30.720 --> 0:31:32.960
<v Speaker 3>If you do, they'll give you a challenge coin or

0:31:33.000 --> 0:31:36.080
<v Speaker 3>a pin. But conversely, the deaf Con people will give

0:31:36.160 --> 0:31:40.160
<v Speaker 3>them a shirt for the narc Right to wear. But

0:31:40.760 --> 0:31:44.600
<v Speaker 3>our governmental agencies, our regulators are actually just like me,

0:31:45.360 --> 0:31:48.640
<v Speaker 3>interested in what's coming that I should be prepared for.

0:31:50.560 --> 0:31:56.520
<v Speaker 3>I like finding them and seeing what are you looking for?

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<v Speaker 3>If I could find on one willing to represent the agency.

0:32:03.480 --> 0:32:06.280
<v Speaker 2>That we talk to the FEDS inside here, though we

0:32:06.680 --> 0:32:09.720
<v Speaker 2>don't let them in here. I mean I will not

0:32:09.920 --> 0:32:13.400
<v Speaker 2>allow we're not having the government agencies in here. I

0:32:13.480 --> 0:32:15.560
<v Speaker 2>will not You can talk to them outside. But if

0:32:15.600 --> 0:32:17.640
<v Speaker 2>you if you remember, if the Feds, please don't come

0:32:17.680 --> 0:32:21.920
<v Speaker 2>to my show. I don't think that's going to be fun. Now,

0:32:22.000 --> 0:32:23.480
<v Speaker 2>if they turn up, I'm gonna have a word with

0:32:23.560 --> 0:32:25.880
<v Speaker 2>them and then say please don't, please, don't keep me well.

0:32:25.920 --> 0:32:28.440
<v Speaker 3>Actually, the hard part is the ones that are actually

0:32:28.640 --> 0:32:31.520
<v Speaker 3>doing the things that are of interest. They can't talk.

0:32:32.160 --> 0:32:34.200
<v Speaker 3>They're constrained by a public affairs office.

0:32:34.240 --> 0:32:37.200
<v Speaker 2>Perfect, wonderful. Then they have no reason to be here then,

0:32:37.480 --> 0:32:38.320
<v Speaker 2>but but.

0:32:38.400 --> 0:32:42.840
<v Speaker 3>Their their interest is actually the public interest.

0:32:43.520 --> 0:32:46.160
<v Speaker 2>I should listen to the show. Then they do.

0:32:48.280 --> 0:32:50.400
<v Speaker 3>Well and are generally happy.

0:32:50.680 --> 0:32:52.360
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I hope they are, because at least the ones

0:32:52.360 --> 0:32:54.000
<v Speaker 2>I talked to, I really don't want to get a

0:32:54.160 --> 0:32:57.960
<v Speaker 2>put in the goo lag, but putting aside the FBI's

0:32:58.720 --> 0:33:02.600
<v Speaker 2>clearly active interest than me, that's a great phrase to

0:33:02.640 --> 0:33:06.200
<v Speaker 2>say out loud. I do want this place to be

0:33:06.560 --> 0:33:10.200
<v Speaker 2>without the feeds, an actual place where journalists come. And

0:33:10.320 --> 0:33:11.960
<v Speaker 2>I know that there are some people who've reached out

0:33:12.000 --> 0:33:14.160
<v Speaker 2>to me and they've said they weren't able to make

0:33:14.160 --> 0:33:16.680
<v Speaker 2>it as such, We're going to remove We're going to

0:33:16.760 --> 0:33:18.760
<v Speaker 2>move stuff around next year. I want to make sure

0:33:18.800 --> 0:33:22.000
<v Speaker 2>there's more room for people, and mister Anguezo Junior sounds

0:33:22.040 --> 0:33:22.720
<v Speaker 2>like he will come back.

0:33:22.840 --> 0:33:23.520
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I would love to.

0:33:23.720 --> 0:33:26.040
<v Speaker 2>Mister Roth will as well. I will be here and

0:33:26.200 --> 0:33:29.920
<v Speaker 2>Phil is stuck with me. But I think that the

0:33:30.000 --> 0:33:32.280
<v Speaker 2>thing I want to do differently as well is I

0:33:32.400 --> 0:33:35.080
<v Speaker 2>want to really plan out the groups because and I

0:33:35.160 --> 0:33:37.240
<v Speaker 2>must be honest to the listeners how much of this

0:33:37.400 --> 0:33:40.800
<v Speaker 2>came together in real time. But also I think you'll

0:33:40.840 --> 0:33:43.840
<v Speaker 2>indulge me because what an insane thing I did here

0:33:43.960 --> 0:33:46.360
<v Speaker 2>like this has been very crazy and I cannot believe that.

0:33:46.600 --> 0:33:48.680
<v Speaker 2>I cannot believe how well it worked, and it's thanks

0:33:48.720 --> 0:33:51.480
<v Speaker 2>to you guys, And of course i'll produce in Matasowski

0:33:51.640 --> 0:33:55.240
<v Speaker 2>who built this whole setup. But it's interesting because something

0:33:55.360 --> 0:33:58.520
<v Speaker 2>like this could actually be useful for people to understand

0:33:58.760 --> 0:34:02.480
<v Speaker 2>the mechanism power within tech, because I want people to

0:34:02.560 --> 0:34:04.880
<v Speaker 2>realize how much of it's bullshit. Sure, but how You've

0:34:04.880 --> 0:34:07.960
<v Speaker 2>got journalists coming out here who are actually trying to

0:34:09.080 --> 0:34:12.320
<v Speaker 2>find a way to cover it within the boundaries of journalism,

0:34:12.400 --> 0:34:14.600
<v Speaker 2>which can be quite difficult because most people can't come

0:34:14.680 --> 0:34:16.640
<v Speaker 2>on here and say, yeah, most of the shit I

0:34:16.719 --> 0:34:19.480
<v Speaker 2>saw was bullshit and that was broken and this is

0:34:19.719 --> 0:34:23.239
<v Speaker 2>shit not necessarily because of the byline, but also how

0:34:23.280 --> 0:34:25.839
<v Speaker 2>do you write that story? How do you actually put

0:34:25.880 --> 0:34:28.319
<v Speaker 2>that together? How do you actually say CS was full

0:34:28.320 --> 0:34:28.919
<v Speaker 2>of dog shit?

0:34:29.320 --> 0:34:32.160
<v Speaker 3>And please read the rest of my words after this.

0:34:32.560 --> 0:34:34.239
<v Speaker 2>And I'll tell you the way you don't do that.

0:34:35.480 --> 0:34:39.520
<v Speaker 2>Being sponsored by Delta Airlines, I will I will voice

0:34:39.560 --> 0:34:42.480
<v Speaker 2>my displeasure about mister Nilla, mister Nilla Pattel.

0:34:43.560 --> 0:34:44.960
<v Speaker 3>He is a dirty, dirty man.

0:34:46.440 --> 0:34:49.200
<v Speaker 2>Some management questions aside, Nill had a chance to do

0:34:49.320 --> 0:34:51.719
<v Speaker 2>something interesting at CES and somehow I did the more

0:34:51.800 --> 0:34:54.440
<v Speaker 2>interesting thing, which is disappointing. But also if you're being

0:34:54.680 --> 0:34:59.880
<v Speaker 2>if you bother SEO of Delta Vacations, who what are

0:34:59.920 --> 0:35:03.719
<v Speaker 2>you doing? Like? Or sorry, you're interviewing them to what end?

0:35:03.800 --> 0:35:06.360
<v Speaker 2>To what point? And I feel like the people covering

0:35:06.440 --> 0:35:09.600
<v Speaker 2>this show have got such a shit deal. But the

0:35:09.680 --> 0:35:12.680
<v Speaker 2>ones with the largest microphones other than my own don't

0:35:12.680 --> 0:35:13.120
<v Speaker 2>seem to be.

0:35:13.280 --> 0:35:19.160
<v Speaker 3>Full disclosure as a Platinum medallion member for Delta Man.

0:35:19.520 --> 0:35:21.800
<v Speaker 3>Those are the emails the delete the fastest.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just frustrating because people at the Verge. And I'm

0:35:25.600 --> 0:35:28.000
<v Speaker 2>not attacking the writers because Victoria's song was amazing on

0:35:28.080 --> 0:35:32.320
<v Speaker 2>this it feels like the people covering this show. Some

0:35:32.520 --> 0:35:35.200
<v Speaker 2>of them have potentially given up a little. The Verge

0:35:35.200 --> 0:35:38.000
<v Speaker 2>should not have a live show where the summation of

0:35:38.040 --> 0:35:41.880
<v Speaker 2>it starts with a fucking interview with the CEO of

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<v Speaker 2>the worst part of the Delta experience.

0:35:44.320 --> 0:35:45.280
<v Speaker 3>The Mini CEO.

0:35:45.680 --> 0:35:48.440
<v Speaker 2>And I saw people covering the Delta stuff just blandly,

0:35:48.480 --> 0:35:48.920
<v Speaker 2>and it's.

0:35:48.880 --> 0:35:52.800
<v Speaker 4>Like, did you check out the interview? What was the

0:35:52.880 --> 0:35:53.720
<v Speaker 4>interview itself?

0:35:53.800 --> 0:35:56.200
<v Speaker 2>I have not listened to the Verge cast in some time.

0:35:56.520 --> 0:35:59.200
<v Speaker 3>Well, I think, how you can cover that excitedly?

0:36:00.000 --> 0:36:02.600
<v Speaker 2>I think that No, actually, let me check my notes.

0:36:02.640 --> 0:36:08.000
<v Speaker 2>I did listen. It was let's see, it was James Tayklett,

0:36:08.120 --> 0:36:12.600
<v Speaker 2>the CEO of Lockheed Martin and who said that I

0:36:12.760 --> 0:36:16.160
<v Speaker 2>love the Verge. It's my favorite publication. And then they

0:36:16.200 --> 0:36:21.200
<v Speaker 2>were surprisingly joined by Handword chairman Sung and Kim, who said,

0:36:21.239 --> 0:36:23.440
<v Speaker 2>how the Verge is the best place to find out

0:36:23.560 --> 0:36:27.759
<v Speaker 2>about bombs. That is all the joke. I apologize, but nevertheless,

0:36:27.880 --> 0:36:31.319
<v Speaker 2>it's I've had that written down for a week. It's

0:36:31.400 --> 0:36:34.520
<v Speaker 2>just frustrating because it's like Leapatel, he can fucking do

0:36:34.600 --> 0:36:37.399
<v Speaker 2>a better job, And honestly, they could be better things

0:36:37.440 --> 0:36:39.440
<v Speaker 2>done at CES. The thing we've proven in the last week.

0:36:39.480 --> 0:36:41.280
<v Speaker 2>Not trying to put myself on the back or anything,

0:36:41.360 --> 0:36:43.919
<v Speaker 2>but I don't even need to say that. The people

0:36:43.920 --> 0:36:45.480
<v Speaker 2>who have come on have been really interesting, and I

0:36:45.520 --> 0:36:47.359
<v Speaker 2>think there's more that we can do. I don't even

0:36:47.360 --> 0:36:49.040
<v Speaker 2>know what whether to call myself part of the tech

0:36:49.120 --> 0:36:50.879
<v Speaker 2>me You're on a fucking pr film during the day,

0:36:51.160 --> 0:36:54.879
<v Speaker 2>write a newsletter where I regularly make typos that really

0:36:54.920 --> 0:36:59.840
<v Speaker 2>shouldn't be there. I just I don't know, man. But nevertheless,

0:36:59.840 --> 0:37:03.160
<v Speaker 2>it's like, there is more to be done, and there's

0:37:03.200 --> 0:37:05.200
<v Speaker 2>more to be done in the next year. And I

0:37:05.320 --> 0:37:08.000
<v Speaker 2>think the way everyone needs to go right now is

0:37:08.080 --> 0:37:10.319
<v Speaker 2>this move towards the question we've been asking a week,

0:37:11.000 --> 0:37:14.480
<v Speaker 2>which is why does this have to exist? Who is

0:37:14.520 --> 0:37:17.920
<v Speaker 2>it for? Why is why? And I think ed your

0:37:18.280 --> 0:37:20.880
<v Speaker 2>frustration with this place is that question is so often

0:37:21.200 --> 0:37:23.120
<v Speaker 2>not answerable somehow, Yeah.

0:37:24.000 --> 0:37:27.040
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, deeply so. I feel like or it is a

0:37:28.840 --> 0:37:32.520
<v Speaker 4>constructed individual that's not necessarily real as the tech industry is.

0:37:32.520 --> 0:37:35.160
<v Speaker 2>Like so far, Yeah, they're solving for an imaginary or

0:37:35.200 --> 0:37:35.520
<v Speaker 2>are that.

0:37:35.719 --> 0:37:39.399
<v Speaker 3>Search for an investor? The product is them?

0:37:40.120 --> 0:37:43.640
<v Speaker 4>I mean, I think you know, the the tech industry

0:37:43.680 --> 0:37:46.520
<v Speaker 4>has got and better in the years of constructing the

0:37:48.440 --> 0:37:51.640
<v Speaker 4>constructing the image that there is the person that wants

0:37:51.760 --> 0:37:53.759
<v Speaker 4>what they are offering. I mean, I think the most

0:37:53.800 --> 0:37:56.759
<v Speaker 4>recent example of this that was pretty bloigant was the

0:37:56.880 --> 0:38:02.560
<v Speaker 4>construction of the crypto voter, as facilitated by fair Shake,

0:38:02.719 --> 0:38:08.000
<v Speaker 4>and they're pretty massive lobbying campaign to punish any candidate

0:38:08.080 --> 0:38:13.000
<v Speaker 4>that seemed remotely anti crypto, to resounding success. I think,

0:38:13.120 --> 0:38:17.800
<v Speaker 4>like almost like a ninety plus percent hit rate for

0:38:18.520 --> 0:38:22.520
<v Speaker 4>winning races where they put up ads against or against

0:38:22.600 --> 0:38:29.440
<v Speaker 4>anti crypto or obstensibly anti crypto or insufficiently pro crypto candidates.

0:38:30.360 --> 0:38:32.680
<v Speaker 3>And that latter one is the really dirty one. You

0:38:32.719 --> 0:38:34.600
<v Speaker 3>don't love us enough, kiss the.

0:38:34.640 --> 0:38:37.000
<v Speaker 2>Boot in the imaginary customer, and.

0:38:37.040 --> 0:38:39.120
<v Speaker 4>The imaginary customer there's this is the idea of a

0:38:39.160 --> 0:38:43.080
<v Speaker 4>crypto voter. Someone who is motivated by a desire to

0:38:43.280 --> 0:38:47.120
<v Speaker 4>have a safe home for their crypto assets. They wanted

0:38:47.239 --> 0:38:50.560
<v Speaker 4>bank with, they wanted in a bank that they would

0:38:50.920 --> 0:38:54.240
<v Speaker 4>typically use. They want their dollars to be more easily

0:38:54.320 --> 0:38:57.960
<v Speaker 4>transferable between or to these things. They want to have

0:38:58.200 --> 0:39:01.520
<v Speaker 4>more assets that can be you know, that they can

0:39:01.600 --> 0:39:04.360
<v Speaker 4>trade in their dollars or their tokens for right. And

0:39:04.400 --> 0:39:07.680
<v Speaker 4>I think similarly, sometimes when I see, you know, I

0:39:07.760 --> 0:39:11.120
<v Speaker 4>think about, like especially the Global Pavilion for Crypto right

0:39:11.160 --> 0:39:13.200
<v Speaker 4>where it's like these people are sitting here talking about

0:39:13.239 --> 0:39:17.280
<v Speaker 4>how you know, for your brand, one way to increase

0:39:17.360 --> 0:39:23.000
<v Speaker 4>its authenticity has objectified, the company said, is to offer

0:39:23.080 --> 0:39:30.239
<v Speaker 4>a limited edition goods that will add an air of

0:39:30.360 --> 0:39:31.680
<v Speaker 4>rarity to your brand.

0:39:33.920 --> 0:39:34.080
<v Speaker 1>Yah.

0:39:34.160 --> 0:39:37.440
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, they're all tokens right and you know these The

0:39:37.560 --> 0:39:39.800
<v Speaker 4>idea here is also when you listen to them closely,

0:39:39.880 --> 0:39:42.239
<v Speaker 4>they're not saying like they're not actually saying there's any

0:39:42.360 --> 0:39:45.880
<v Speaker 4>use value. What they're saying is that we realized we

0:39:46.160 --> 0:39:49.560
<v Speaker 4>have a use case for justifying our service, which is

0:39:49.640 --> 0:39:52.440
<v Speaker 4>that you can make it more your thing, more exclusive

0:39:52.840 --> 0:39:54.879
<v Speaker 4>in partnership with us if you cut us a fee

0:39:55.120 --> 0:39:59.200
<v Speaker 4>and you generate a useless token. I feel like there

0:39:59.360 --> 0:40:02.239
<v Speaker 4>is a lot of this where, you know, solution in

0:40:02.320 --> 0:40:06.719
<v Speaker 4>search of a problem, or a business in search of

0:40:06.760 --> 0:40:08.840
<v Speaker 4>an opportunity to cut to extract a.

0:40:08.880 --> 0:40:10.799
<v Speaker 2>Fee rather than solving a need.

0:40:11.400 --> 0:40:13.000
<v Speaker 3>Someone once asked me if I was willing to do

0:40:13.640 --> 0:40:20.239
<v Speaker 3>limited n F n FT coded release labels on Black

0:40:20.239 --> 0:40:21.960
<v Speaker 3>Blood of the Earth bottles so that they could have

0:40:22.640 --> 0:40:25.920
<v Speaker 3>someone could have their very own NFT run of Black Blood,

0:40:26.040 --> 0:40:29.040
<v Speaker 3>and that would be an email I would delete it.

0:40:30.680 --> 0:40:32.800
<v Speaker 2>I would I would take such pleasure from watching you

0:40:33.239 --> 0:40:34.000
<v Speaker 2>enter the blockchain.

0:40:35.400 --> 0:40:40.440
<v Speaker 3>That was the point they wanted black block, black blockchain, coffee.

0:40:40.400 --> 0:40:41.520
<v Speaker 2>Block, Blood of the Earth.

0:40:42.520 --> 0:40:43.120
<v Speaker 3>I hate you.

0:40:45.040 --> 0:40:50.200
<v Speaker 2>So slightly different, slightly different direction. Do you actually like

0:40:50.280 --> 0:40:53.640
<v Speaker 2>any technology? I don't mean this in like anything. You

0:40:53.719 --> 0:40:55.919
<v Speaker 2>seem to enjoy your phone and such, like you enjoy

0:40:55.960 --> 0:40:56.759
<v Speaker 2>connecting with people.

0:40:57.480 --> 0:41:03.719
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean I like, I like my phone, computers, screens.

0:41:05.920 --> 0:41:09.800
<v Speaker 4>But most things I'm just like, I'm not really a

0:41:09.880 --> 0:41:12.600
<v Speaker 4>cool Yeah, trains are cool. I mean if we're talking about,

0:41:12.640 --> 0:41:15.960
<v Speaker 4>for example, non digitally mediated, I mean, of course we're

0:41:15.960 --> 0:41:19.640
<v Speaker 4>talking about digitally mediated. I really have to be because

0:41:19.640 --> 0:41:22.799
<v Speaker 4>I'm not interested in like productivity hacks or saving time

0:41:23.760 --> 0:41:27.000
<v Speaker 4>person Yeah, you know, for me, like it's like the

0:41:27.120 --> 0:41:31.400
<v Speaker 4>things I'm interested in software and programs you know that

0:41:31.680 --> 0:41:35.600
<v Speaker 4>have helped me. I'm interested sometimes in you know, I

0:41:35.640 --> 0:41:38.160
<v Speaker 4>have a friend who I you know, I have a

0:41:38.239 --> 0:41:40.840
<v Speaker 4>friend who I learned coding with the you know what

0:41:41.000 --> 0:41:45.839
<v Speaker 4>was in there like maybe ten years ago. What in like, Well,

0:41:45.840 --> 0:41:49.759
<v Speaker 4>I don't talk about it because I don't like, uh

0:41:50.880 --> 0:41:53.600
<v Speaker 4>doing it, because I don't really care for much and

0:41:53.760 --> 0:41:55.360
<v Speaker 4>because of the reason I don't talk about it is

0:41:55.400 --> 0:41:59.520
<v Speaker 4>because it's always fun when I have when a tech

0:42:00.120 --> 0:42:02.520
<v Speaker 4>and gets a little mad at me, and I was like,

0:42:02.560 --> 0:42:05.400
<v Speaker 4>why is this guy who doesn't even code? And I'm like,

0:42:05.680 --> 0:42:08.880
<v Speaker 4>what about me makes you think? I can't tell me?

0:42:09.520 --> 0:42:14.600
<v Speaker 4>That's cool though, So, you know, especially with the more

0:42:16.280 --> 0:42:21.640
<v Speaker 4>the more recent wave of tools of generative tools for

0:42:22.640 --> 0:42:24.920
<v Speaker 4>coding supplements, I mean, you know, I've kind of been

0:42:25.000 --> 0:42:28.000
<v Speaker 4>inspired by like writing from like Brian Eno and you

0:42:28.080 --> 0:42:30.400
<v Speaker 4>have getny more is off to try and create like

0:42:30.520 --> 0:42:33.480
<v Speaker 4>small applications that help us learn other languages because I've

0:42:33.480 --> 0:42:35.520
<v Speaker 4>been trying to learn Mandarin for a long time, right,

0:42:37.160 --> 0:42:39.680
<v Speaker 4>you know, And so stuff like this is fun and interesting,

0:42:39.800 --> 0:42:45.200
<v Speaker 4>like little trinkets, little little you know, short desktop apps

0:42:45.280 --> 0:42:48.440
<v Speaker 4>or you know, all small little programs that helped me

0:42:48.520 --> 0:42:50.080
<v Speaker 4>in my daily life. But I do I'm not really

0:42:50.120 --> 0:42:51.400
<v Speaker 4>interested in like some overhaul.

0:42:51.760 --> 0:42:54.839
<v Speaker 2>It feels like what you're describing is the purest form

0:42:54.880 --> 0:42:56.960
<v Speaker 2>of technology, which is why do we use the computer

0:42:57.080 --> 0:42:58.920
<v Speaker 2>to connect with people or connect with ourselves a bit

0:42:59.000 --> 0:43:02.880
<v Speaker 2>more to actually true love what we want to do

0:43:03.160 --> 0:43:06.640
<v Speaker 2>more to enhance ourselves. Because the reason I'm asking these

0:43:06.760 --> 0:43:10.120
<v Speaker 2>questions is because there are some fucking idiots I'm just

0:43:10.160 --> 0:43:12.480
<v Speaker 2>gonna skip to that part. Who would just be like, well,

0:43:12.600 --> 0:43:14.960
<v Speaker 2>it's just a hater. Yeah, and I've got the same

0:43:15.000 --> 0:43:18.080
<v Speaker 2>thing as an heir to his hatter m Otherwise, can

0:43:18.120 --> 0:43:20.439
<v Speaker 2>I say a terrifying that he might finish his point

0:43:20.440 --> 0:43:22.879
<v Speaker 2>and then we'll get to you. Don't worry I am

0:43:23.000 --> 0:43:23.680
<v Speaker 2>a hater in that.

0:43:23.920 --> 0:43:25.879
<v Speaker 4>I think that a lot of times.

0:43:26.120 --> 0:43:28.360
<v Speaker 2>The greatest hate is love. Yeah, right, please continue.

0:43:28.400 --> 0:43:31.760
<v Speaker 4>When someone is talking to me or trying to convince

0:43:31.920 --> 0:43:35.479
<v Speaker 4>me to integrate some algorithm or digital program into my life,

0:43:35.560 --> 0:43:38.440
<v Speaker 4>what they're usually talking about is a way to like

0:43:38.680 --> 0:43:43.480
<v Speaker 4>offload some of the cognitive burden and not actually cut

0:43:43.520 --> 0:43:47.880
<v Speaker 4>through a stupid task or to not come up for example,

0:43:47.960 --> 0:43:50.640
<v Speaker 4>like you know, me and my friend we've you know,

0:43:51.560 --> 0:43:53.640
<v Speaker 4>you've getting more is an inspiration for this what he

0:43:53.719 --> 0:43:55.680
<v Speaker 4>talks about in one of his essays about how he

0:43:55.719 --> 0:44:01.800
<v Speaker 4>uses generitive tools to try to create a group of

0:44:01.880 --> 0:44:05.280
<v Speaker 4>language programs so that he'll try to talk in another

0:44:05.400 --> 0:44:08.279
<v Speaker 4>language or answer questions another language, and then based on

0:44:08.320 --> 0:44:12.880
<v Speaker 4>the weaknesses, it will generate kind of questions and exams

0:44:12.920 --> 0:44:15.640
<v Speaker 4>and stories that will test what he has shown a

0:44:15.680 --> 0:44:16.320
<v Speaker 4>deficiency in.

0:44:16.440 --> 0:44:18.960
<v Speaker 2>You know, there's like elements of how one structure is

0:44:19.000 --> 0:44:19.920
<v Speaker 2>a sentence.

0:44:19.560 --> 0:44:26.719
<v Speaker 4>Maybe, yeah, grammar, sentence structure, ambiguities of descriptive language. I mean,

0:44:26.800 --> 0:44:32.520
<v Speaker 4>and this is stuff that interest us more than the

0:44:32.600 --> 0:44:34.839
<v Speaker 4>way in which we typically have been trying to learn

0:44:34.840 --> 0:44:38.160
<v Speaker 4>the languages, especially you know, because I'm doing I'm trying

0:44:38.160 --> 0:44:41.600
<v Speaker 4>to do Swahilia as well, so Swahili and Mandarin, and

0:44:42.200 --> 0:44:46.120
<v Speaker 4>he's doing Spanish and Pastrin, and so it's like there

0:44:46.200 --> 0:44:49.120
<v Speaker 4>are a lot of the apps that are offered in

0:44:49.120 --> 0:44:51.080
<v Speaker 4>a lot of the programs, a lot of the methods,

0:44:51.239 --> 0:44:53.799
<v Speaker 4>or we simply either don't have the time to do them,

0:44:54.440 --> 0:44:59.840
<v Speaker 4>or the the gamification that's presented is bullshit.

0:45:00.200 --> 0:45:01.920
<v Speaker 2>Will do a lingo style, you know.

0:45:02.120 --> 0:45:04.400
<v Speaker 4>So I'm if you can figure out a way to

0:45:04.560 --> 0:45:07.919
<v Speaker 4>do it that is more closer resembling how a human

0:45:08.040 --> 0:45:12.080
<v Speaker 4>human interaction does it without trying to convince me that

0:45:12.200 --> 0:45:14.800
<v Speaker 4>I need to offload onto some sort of platform and

0:45:14.920 --> 0:45:18.279
<v Speaker 4>or some ecosystem. Sure, I mean, I'm interested, right, but

0:45:18.640 --> 0:45:20.400
<v Speaker 4>most of the time you have to make you have

0:45:20.520 --> 0:45:21.920
<v Speaker 4>to make the case, and it has to be a

0:45:22.000 --> 0:45:24.360
<v Speaker 4>convincing case for why an algorithm needs to be introduced

0:45:24.400 --> 0:45:26.839
<v Speaker 4>into something that I'm interested in using. And I think

0:45:26.880 --> 0:45:29.160
<v Speaker 4>that most of times, if you actually spend time talking

0:45:29.200 --> 0:45:31.480
<v Speaker 4>with the people about it and interrogating it, it doesn't

0:45:32.080 --> 0:45:33.000
<v Speaker 4>past the sniff test.

0:45:33.239 --> 0:45:33.359
<v Speaker 2>Right.

0:45:34.120 --> 0:45:37.080
<v Speaker 3>This is where the solving the language problem and the

0:45:37.160 --> 0:45:40.799
<v Speaker 3>human interaction level. This is where I have to say

0:45:40.880 --> 0:45:45.440
<v Speaker 3>the terrifying words. I love Uber mm hmmm, because it

0:45:45.560 --> 0:45:49.600
<v Speaker 3>did one thing that they are not proud of, that

0:45:49.719 --> 0:45:52.440
<v Speaker 3>they do not tout as a thing they can do.

0:45:57.040 --> 0:46:04.080
<v Speaker 3>In general, Uber is tals and to regulated right environments.

0:46:04.239 --> 0:46:09.080
<v Speaker 3>It destroys taxi networks, never mind adoption of tech technology

0:46:09.120 --> 0:46:12.640
<v Speaker 3>that taxi should have done to approof service. Uber obliterates

0:46:12.760 --> 0:46:17.279
<v Speaker 3>that good ecosystem. However, in unregulated markets or ones that

0:46:17.400 --> 0:46:24.120
<v Speaker 3>are highly corrupt and barter based where I don't know,

0:46:24.239 --> 0:46:28.280
<v Speaker 3>such as such as Ukraine and most of Eastern Europe.

0:46:28.440 --> 0:46:31.040
<v Speaker 2>Now your experience with this was pre war, though right.

0:46:31.000 --> 0:46:36.600
<v Speaker 3>It was pre war in Kiev. I do not speak Ukrainian,

0:46:37.120 --> 0:46:41.960
<v Speaker 3>although my feeble language skills of I speak English. I

0:46:42.040 --> 0:46:45.920
<v Speaker 3>have technical Spanish, I can have commerce Spanish, but don't

0:46:46.000 --> 0:46:48.000
<v Speaker 3>ask me to talk about poetry and art.

0:46:48.160 --> 0:46:52.040
<v Speaker 2>If you make two Spanishes, I call back to another anyway.

0:46:53.280 --> 0:46:58.320
<v Speaker 3>But when I got done playing in the Great Patriotic

0:46:58.360 --> 0:47:02.080
<v Speaker 3>War Museum, and it was snowing, the first snow of

0:47:02.320 --> 0:47:06.719
<v Speaker 3>the season in Kiev, and I did not feel like

0:47:06.840 --> 0:47:09.160
<v Speaker 3>doing my normal thing of walking all the way across

0:47:09.200 --> 0:47:13.000
<v Speaker 3>the city just to enjoy and absorb the city and

0:47:13.160 --> 0:47:16.480
<v Speaker 3>on international data rates. I downloaded Uber on the principle

0:47:16.480 --> 0:47:19.040
<v Speaker 3>of I just want to get back to my hotel.

0:47:21.200 --> 0:47:26.880
<v Speaker 3>Uber was able to, within its app allow me to

0:47:27.120 --> 0:47:33.160
<v Speaker 3>arrange a ride negotiate. Well, I didn't even negotiate set price.

0:47:33.400 --> 0:47:34.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, then negotiating for you.

0:47:34.920 --> 0:47:38.480
<v Speaker 3>It negotiated for me for a set price that is firm,

0:47:39.880 --> 0:47:43.360
<v Speaker 3>and get my destination correct with a driver. Neither of

0:47:43.520 --> 0:47:48.840
<v Speaker 3>us spoke each other's language, and it was seamless. That

0:47:49.400 --> 0:47:52.160
<v Speaker 3>is a thing they never tout, they are not proud of,

0:47:52.600 --> 0:47:56.440
<v Speaker 3>but they do everywhere in the world, and with time,

0:47:56.760 --> 0:48:00.360
<v Speaker 3>I did that in twenty sixteen. Their language translation on

0:48:00.480 --> 0:48:03.239
<v Speaker 3>either end of their app has only gotten better.

0:48:03.560 --> 0:48:07.400
<v Speaker 2>But the problem is that you're completely right, except for

0:48:07.440 --> 0:48:10.520
<v Speaker 2>the fact that Uber also had a bigger opportunity they

0:48:10.600 --> 0:48:13.400
<v Speaker 2>didn't do, which was if they'd have grown sustainably and

0:48:13.560 --> 0:48:17.120
<v Speaker 2>set real labor rates and demanded benefits, Uber could probably

0:48:17.160 --> 0:48:18.640
<v Speaker 2>be a fifteen trillion dollar company.

0:48:18.719 --> 0:48:20.719
<v Speaker 3>Oh you mean, actually be profitable.

0:48:20.600 --> 0:48:24.360
<v Speaker 2>No, I mean beyond that. If uber had slowly grown

0:48:24.560 --> 0:48:28.520
<v Speaker 2>and done it more than minimum wage and use their

0:48:28.560 --> 0:48:32.200
<v Speaker 2>scale to actually commit themselves to getting real benefits rates

0:48:32.280 --> 0:48:35.360
<v Speaker 2>for employees and grown like that, they could have actually

0:48:35.360 --> 0:48:39.040
<v Speaker 2>grown to be probably the largest employer in the world

0:48:39.080 --> 0:48:41.759
<v Speaker 2>and actually given people benefits. So they chose the other.

0:48:41.840 --> 0:48:44.440
<v Speaker 2>And what sucks is that the reason they did what

0:48:44.560 --> 0:48:48.400
<v Speaker 2>you just described, which is genuinely good, is so that

0:48:48.520 --> 0:48:51.880
<v Speaker 2>they could find new people that spoke other languages to

0:48:52.000 --> 0:48:52.800
<v Speaker 2>extract from.

0:48:52.960 --> 0:48:56.320
<v Speaker 3>That was the first time I called an uber of

0:48:56.480 --> 0:48:57.160
<v Speaker 3>my own.

0:48:57.440 --> 0:49:00.920
<v Speaker 2>I remember, and it sucks that they didn't do it

0:49:01.000 --> 0:49:02.520
<v Speaker 2>to make sure that you could do the thing you did.

0:49:02.600 --> 0:49:04.600
<v Speaker 3>It was just like we had to get that extracion.

0:49:05.320 --> 0:49:08.279
<v Speaker 3>Fuck it makes me mad with the sign of the

0:49:08.320 --> 0:49:13.640
<v Speaker 3>simultaneous You made a human experience I couldn't have otherwise had.

0:49:13.880 --> 0:49:16.880
<v Speaker 2>But is this not CS A lot of ideas that

0:49:16.920 --> 0:49:19.640
<v Speaker 2>are made up that could could be for ostensibly good reasons,

0:49:19.680 --> 0:49:23.240
<v Speaker 2>But I've really done for the investor, for the theoretical customer.

0:49:24.800 --> 0:49:28.080
<v Speaker 2>Everything we've describing that's good here is about actually connecting

0:49:28.120 --> 0:49:31.160
<v Speaker 2>the smart cane as glib as I might have been

0:49:31.200 --> 0:49:34.359
<v Speaker 2>about it. People genuinely will find good in that I'm

0:49:35.360 --> 0:49:36.120
<v Speaker 2>excited about.

0:49:35.960 --> 0:49:38.319
<v Speaker 4>The medical devices. These are all good. And I mean,

0:49:39.120 --> 0:49:41.400
<v Speaker 4>and we've also you know, we've talked before about huh.

0:49:41.760 --> 0:49:43.800
<v Speaker 4>There are lots of algorithmic things I have nothing to

0:49:43.840 --> 0:49:45.719
<v Speaker 4>do with the consumer that are helpful, you know, that

0:49:45.960 --> 0:49:51.200
<v Speaker 4>are on the back end of helping test things or

0:49:51.360 --> 0:49:56.160
<v Speaker 4>discover or do trials for various compounds. Right, as long

0:49:56.200 --> 0:49:58.800
<v Speaker 4>as you don't put you know, I'm very skeptical of

0:49:58.880 --> 0:50:02.320
<v Speaker 4>the generative tools that are being deployed for this, but

0:50:02.480 --> 0:50:05.239
<v Speaker 4>you know, more traditionally, when they're done for this, this,

0:50:05.520 --> 0:50:07.360
<v Speaker 4>you know, is something that's interesting. I mean, there's a

0:50:07.440 --> 0:50:09.960
<v Speaker 4>host of applications that we wanted to sit down, we

0:50:10.000 --> 0:50:11.920
<v Speaker 4>could talk about. But you know, for me, the thing

0:50:12.000 --> 0:50:13.960
<v Speaker 4>I don't hate, I mean, the thing I don't like

0:50:14.080 --> 0:50:16.279
<v Speaker 4>and the stuff I just like kind of informs my

0:50:16.600 --> 0:50:18.840
<v Speaker 4>my antipathy towards it. My ludism is like, you know,

0:50:19.600 --> 0:50:23.720
<v Speaker 4>usually when we have a venture capital firm, a private firm,

0:50:24.920 --> 0:50:29.760
<v Speaker 4>or well capitalize individual, hedge fund, whatever pushing a certain

0:50:29.800 --> 0:50:34.920
<v Speaker 4>type of technology innovation, it's because they're interested in prioritizing

0:50:35.080 --> 0:50:38.200
<v Speaker 4>the startup form, which itself already closes a lot of

0:50:38.280 --> 0:50:41.600
<v Speaker 4>doors because you have to adopt a certain product, you

0:50:41.719 --> 0:50:44.440
<v Speaker 4>have to adopt a certain value structure so that you

0:50:44.440 --> 0:50:47.040
<v Speaker 4>can pay the software tax or the you know, the

0:50:47.160 --> 0:50:49.279
<v Speaker 4>cloud tax, or you have to you have to figure

0:50:49.280 --> 0:50:52.400
<v Speaker 4>out a way that you're going to you know, organize

0:50:52.480 --> 0:50:54.880
<v Speaker 4>labor so that you can have contractors and employees and

0:50:55.680 --> 0:50:59.000
<v Speaker 4>all of these limitations. There's more energy being spent on

0:51:01.000 --> 0:51:06.600
<v Speaker 4>or the barriers to maximizing potential valuation and profitability in

0:51:06.760 --> 0:51:11.040
<v Speaker 4>market share instead of the actual technological innovation itself.

0:51:25.600 --> 0:51:28.400
<v Speaker 2>So we are at the end, I'm afraid, And yesterday

0:51:28.440 --> 0:51:30.400
<v Speaker 2>you got my kind of teary goodbye to everyone, and

0:51:30.800 --> 0:51:32.279
<v Speaker 2>to give you an idea of what the room was

0:51:32.320 --> 0:51:34.640
<v Speaker 2>like yesterday, it was full of people and everyone was

0:51:34.719 --> 0:51:36.359
<v Speaker 2>yelling and it was very fun. That's where you got

0:51:36.400 --> 0:51:39.399
<v Speaker 2>the yes chef from. We have had an insanely cool

0:51:39.480 --> 0:51:41.960
<v Speaker 2>crew of people, of course led by mattis Houski, our

0:51:42.000 --> 0:51:45.800
<v Speaker 2>producer here, but we've really gone through a lot of

0:51:45.840 --> 0:51:47.680
<v Speaker 2>the tech media and the thing I'll say for next

0:51:47.760 --> 0:51:50.160
<v Speaker 2>year is I'm going to have more of them. We

0:51:50.280 --> 0:51:52.680
<v Speaker 2>had twenty guests on this damn show, including the people

0:51:52.800 --> 0:51:53.719
<v Speaker 2>in front of me as well.

0:51:53.840 --> 0:51:54.919
<v Speaker 3>I have more liquor to serve.

0:51:55.040 --> 0:51:58.920
<v Speaker 2>Indeed he does, and it's fun. It's also it seems

0:51:59.040 --> 0:52:01.200
<v Speaker 2>like the listeners. I want this to be an active

0:52:01.280 --> 0:52:03.800
<v Speaker 2>conversation with you. You're on the redditch, you email me.

0:52:03.920 --> 0:52:06.399
<v Speaker 2>I love it. Please get in touch on Blue Sky,

0:52:06.680 --> 0:52:09.280
<v Speaker 2>you get in touch on Threads. I am not listening

0:52:09.840 --> 0:52:11.399
<v Speaker 2>like I just want to be clear, like I look

0:52:11.480 --> 0:52:15.879
<v Speaker 2>down on you, Instagram, DMS, Absolutely, Threads not so much

0:52:16.280 --> 0:52:20.880
<v Speaker 2>why I'm a hypogram. Anyway, this has been an amazing

0:52:20.920 --> 0:52:22.239
<v Speaker 2>show and I want to hear from you. But next

0:52:22.320 --> 0:52:24.000
<v Speaker 2>year we're going to be a bit more structured, but

0:52:24.120 --> 0:52:26.719
<v Speaker 2>also it's probably going to be the same format. We're

0:52:26.719 --> 0:52:28.880
<v Speaker 2>going to have what diverse voices, and we're also going

0:52:28.960 --> 0:52:32.600
<v Speaker 2>to get into more definitive subjects. I think the one

0:52:32.719 --> 0:52:34.440
<v Speaker 2>thing I could have done, but there are a few

0:52:34.480 --> 0:52:36.879
<v Speaker 2>things I could have done better. One thing I could

0:52:36.920 --> 0:52:39.640
<v Speaker 2>have is subject matter and having the subject matter experts.

0:52:39.680 --> 0:52:41.680
<v Speaker 2>We have people like Max Cherney and Da Vinda Hardware

0:52:41.680 --> 0:52:44.440
<v Speaker 2>who really knew their chips, for example, we can wrangle

0:52:44.520 --> 0:52:48.120
<v Speaker 2>that coverage far more specifically. But also there was something

0:52:48.160 --> 0:52:50.200
<v Speaker 2>fun about having the Slop of the Week just kind

0:52:50.239 --> 0:52:52.759
<v Speaker 2>of wash over us because I wanted all of you

0:52:52.960 --> 0:52:56.080
<v Speaker 2>listening do kind of get an idea of how obtuse

0:52:56.160 --> 0:52:59.080
<v Speaker 2>a conference is. And I know some of you go

0:52:59.200 --> 0:53:01.759
<v Speaker 2>to a weird conference is and such and thus you

0:53:01.880 --> 0:53:06.600
<v Speaker 2>have this experience. But Phil, thank you for being up bartender,

0:53:06.800 --> 0:53:09.920
<v Speaker 2>thank you for serving everyone. I'm I really treasure your

0:53:09.960 --> 0:53:11.839
<v Speaker 2>hard work. And let's do nine next year.

0:53:12.120 --> 0:53:16.320
<v Speaker 3>Hell Yeah's something I'm very proud of that I started

0:53:16.360 --> 0:53:20.000
<v Speaker 3>trying to kick in the sixth and seventh time we

0:53:20.120 --> 0:53:24.000
<v Speaker 3>did this was making sure I had non alcoholic options

0:53:24.040 --> 0:53:27.799
<v Speaker 3>available for people. I had more than ever available this year,

0:53:28.680 --> 0:53:31.240
<v Speaker 3>and I'm glad I got to give it to people.

0:53:31.000 --> 0:53:33.279
<v Speaker 2>Who yeah, because this is not a place where you

0:53:33.360 --> 0:53:34.200
<v Speaker 2>have to drink.

0:53:34.120 --> 0:53:38.720
<v Speaker 3>Because most people who don't drink can't drink.

0:53:39.040 --> 0:53:39.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:53:39.480 --> 0:53:42.960
<v Speaker 3>They usually feel very asked out when they go to

0:53:43.160 --> 0:53:47.080
<v Speaker 3>events at conventions like this, and I want people to

0:53:47.120 --> 0:53:48.000
<v Speaker 3>feel welcome.

0:53:48.120 --> 0:53:50.000
<v Speaker 2>And you are here, like, I don't care if you

0:53:50.600 --> 0:53:53.200
<v Speaker 2>don't have any substances. Maybe you don't even have food.

0:53:53.120 --> 0:53:54.640
<v Speaker 3>You don't need even gas station mushrooms.

0:53:55.480 --> 0:53:57.279
<v Speaker 2>Want to say thank you Robert for the gas station

0:53:57.440 --> 0:54:00.160
<v Speaker 2>mushrooms you bought. And I didn't take them because I

0:54:00.239 --> 0:54:01.320
<v Speaker 2>don't just eat food.

0:54:01.120 --> 0:54:02.760
<v Speaker 3>Off the floor or gas stations.

0:54:02.960 --> 0:54:04.360
<v Speaker 4>I mean, but it was that I introduce you to

0:54:04.400 --> 0:54:07.640
<v Speaker 4>some of my friends. Yeah, I drug of freakins. We

0:54:07.719 --> 0:54:08.759
<v Speaker 4>would call some of them.

0:54:08.960 --> 0:54:12.080
<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's that's a new term. That is a series

0:54:12.160 --> 0:54:14.120
<v Speaker 2>of words that I will be unpacking for some time.

0:54:14.200 --> 0:54:17.839
<v Speaker 3>But a pleasure. It's real fun.

0:54:18.280 --> 0:54:21.399
<v Speaker 2>And this is kind of the I was about to say,

0:54:21.400 --> 0:54:23.320
<v Speaker 2>the end of the rope. It's quite the opposite, the

0:54:23.400 --> 0:54:25.200
<v Speaker 2>beginning of something cool, because Phil and I have been

0:54:25.200 --> 0:54:26.719
<v Speaker 2>doing this for so long and some of you have

0:54:26.760 --> 0:54:28.719
<v Speaker 2>got in touch and like asked, it's this was a

0:54:28.880 --> 0:54:31.479
<v Speaker 2>sweet where we brought our friends in from the tech media,

0:54:31.520 --> 0:54:34.040
<v Speaker 2>and now it's turned into something really cool that I

0:54:34.239 --> 0:54:36.879
<v Speaker 2>look to grow and turn into something weird and fun

0:54:37.040 --> 0:54:39.239
<v Speaker 2>every year. If you're a remember of the tech media

0:54:39.239 --> 0:54:41.520
<v Speaker 2>who was not on here listening to this, get in touch.

0:54:42.120 --> 0:54:44.400
<v Speaker 2>If you're in New York, for example, we will be

0:54:44.520 --> 0:54:48.399
<v Speaker 2>doing what you heard this week very regularly. Every other week.

0:54:48.560 --> 0:54:51.160
<v Speaker 2>I would say, get in touch. Maybe it's not the

0:54:51.440 --> 0:54:54.560
<v Speaker 2>next episode, but I want a chunk of the tech

0:54:54.640 --> 0:54:57.640
<v Speaker 2>media on there. I want I want this. The tech

0:54:57.719 --> 0:55:01.040
<v Speaker 2>media is full of such insanely fun and weird and

0:55:01.160 --> 0:55:03.680
<v Speaker 2>wonderful voices, tons of people so good on the mic

0:55:03.760 --> 0:55:07.680
<v Speaker 2>that you wouldn't know. I want to help with that.

0:55:07.840 --> 0:55:09.919
<v Speaker 2>I want this to be something Phil.

0:55:10.560 --> 0:55:12.840
<v Speaker 3>And if you're coming to the Bay Area for some reason,

0:55:13.400 --> 0:55:16.960
<v Speaker 3>I'm always happy to give the Phil Broughton Tour where

0:55:17.000 --> 0:55:19.720
<v Speaker 3>I point at Manhattan Project things that aren't there anymore.

0:55:19.840 --> 0:55:20.840
<v Speaker 4>Oh you're on the bay.

0:55:21.400 --> 0:55:24.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah wow, wait died how many hours and we just

0:55:24.920 --> 0:55:25.560
<v Speaker 2>didn't reveal that?

0:55:25.760 --> 0:55:28.080
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, well yeah, I live in the Bay Area

0:55:28.160 --> 0:55:30.400
<v Speaker 3>and I work at a university that is somewhere in

0:55:30.440 --> 0:55:30.919
<v Speaker 3>the Bay Area.

0:55:31.120 --> 0:55:33.959
<v Speaker 4>I'll be I'll be there twenty eight to thirty first. Also,

0:55:34.000 --> 0:55:36.439
<v Speaker 4>if you're in the Bay Area twenty to thirty first,

0:55:36.480 --> 0:55:39.399
<v Speaker 4>you should come to my co host Jathan Sadowski's book

0:55:39.440 --> 0:55:40.520
<v Speaker 4>launch at City Lights.

0:55:41.680 --> 0:55:45.160
<v Speaker 2>Jathan Sadowski, of course, the inventor of the Habsburg AI term.

0:55:45.400 --> 0:55:49.600
<v Speaker 4>Yes, I got the air appand of the Absburg embardy

0:55:49.680 --> 0:55:52.440
<v Speaker 4>yell at him and say this is a stereotype.

0:55:52.760 --> 0:55:56.960
<v Speaker 2>A man. I am so jealous of that that happened.

0:55:57.960 --> 0:56:00.759
<v Speaker 2>I am so upset that I've not had like AI

0:56:00.880 --> 0:56:04.880
<v Speaker 2>and and AI very nice. Those are my two favorite kinds.

0:56:05.320 --> 0:56:09.480
<v Speaker 2>Right but also ed on Gwaiso Junior, thank you so

0:56:09.600 --> 0:56:14.040
<v Speaker 2>much you have battled through this week for your first

0:56:14.120 --> 0:56:18.320
<v Speaker 2>ces in. I would say the conditions have been chaotic,

0:56:19.600 --> 0:56:21.680
<v Speaker 2>but I made it. He made it.

0:56:21.800 --> 0:56:22.719
<v Speaker 4>My stomach made it.

0:56:23.200 --> 0:56:26.680
<v Speaker 2>He cooked. But also you're going to see in the

0:56:26.760 --> 0:56:29.759
<v Speaker 2>next year exactly how much mister Gwayso Junior does. He

0:56:29.960 --> 0:56:32.640
<v Speaker 2>is incredible and we've been so lucky to have him.

0:56:33.480 --> 0:56:35.920
<v Speaker 3>Thank you. I got to meet one of my favorite writers.

0:56:36.080 --> 0:56:36.320
<v Speaker 4>Thank you.

0:56:36.520 --> 0:56:38.399
<v Speaker 3>I've been enjoying your work for so long.

0:56:38.520 --> 0:56:39.520
<v Speaker 4>I really appreciate that.

0:56:39.600 --> 0:56:40.280
<v Speaker 3>It's been awesome.

0:56:40.480 --> 0:56:42.200
<v Speaker 2>And I will say this as I say every time

0:56:42.239 --> 0:56:44.840
<v Speaker 2>when I meet you. Man, I also got to have

0:56:45.000 --> 0:56:47.000
<v Speaker 2>drinks some of my favorite writers. Thank you so much

0:56:47.040 --> 0:56:51.440
<v Speaker 2>for your time. It's been a genuine pleasure, I imagine

0:56:51.480 --> 0:56:53.799
<v Speaker 2>for the listeners, but selfishly for me mean too.

0:56:53.840 --> 0:56:55.560
<v Speaker 4>I wouldn't have done it with anyone else. Guys.

0:56:56.040 --> 0:56:58.759
<v Speaker 2>Hell yeah, and this is the thing, like this has

0:56:58.840 --> 0:57:01.719
<v Speaker 2>been very guy way too. But also I want all

0:57:01.800 --> 0:57:03.960
<v Speaker 2>the fellows to listen to remember that you can love

0:57:04.000 --> 0:57:06.480
<v Speaker 2>your male friends and talk about how fucking rockin they

0:57:06.480 --> 0:57:08.680
<v Speaker 2>are and how much they've supported you all week. You

0:57:08.760 --> 0:57:11.280
<v Speaker 2>don't have to be so fucking self conscious. You fucking

0:57:11.400 --> 0:57:15.239
<v Speaker 2>cowards compliment each other. Also, Ed is like the best

0:57:15.360 --> 0:57:17.960
<v Speaker 2>dressed man I've ever fucking every fucking day. I'm just

0:57:18.080 --> 0:57:20.920
<v Speaker 2>swearing too much. Ed looks just amazing. I look pretty

0:57:20.920 --> 0:57:23.480
<v Speaker 2>good too. Don't say it jealous of a suit. Yeah,

0:57:23.520 --> 0:57:27.320
<v Speaker 2>he actually has like the most wonderful I wish I

0:57:27.440 --> 0:57:30.360
<v Speaker 2>was this cool, but nevertheless, we've had an incredible crew

0:57:30.400 --> 0:57:33.160
<v Speaker 2>of people. I want to start by thanking Jared Newman

0:57:33.240 --> 0:57:37.120
<v Speaker 2>the Freelancer, Henry Casey of CNN underscored Ednie Demeyer of

0:57:37.160 --> 0:57:41.560
<v Speaker 2>the Autono Cast, Father, Gabriel Mosher of course of the Church,

0:57:42.440 --> 0:57:45.440
<v Speaker 2>Jesse Ferra and Michael Hale of your Kickstarter Sucks, Tom

0:57:45.520 --> 0:57:48.800
<v Speaker 2>McKay of It Brew, of course, David Roth of Defecta,

0:57:48.880 --> 0:57:52.240
<v Speaker 2>Matt Binder of Mashable, Max Journey of Reuters, Gara Davis,

0:57:52.320 --> 0:57:54.520
<v Speaker 2>and Robert Evans of course if it could happen here,

0:57:54.760 --> 0:57:57.000
<v Speaker 2>Phil Broughton, who's sitting across from me, of what I've

0:57:57.080 --> 0:58:03.040
<v Speaker 2>just written as miscellaneous, Devendra Hardowa, Carissa Bell and of

0:58:03.080 --> 0:58:06.840
<v Speaker 2>course shirln Lowe of ng Gadget Victorious Song of the Verge,

0:58:07.000 --> 0:58:10.760
<v Speaker 2>Kyl Shnard of the Las Vegas Sun, and of course

0:58:11.560 --> 0:58:17.320
<v Speaker 2>Mattasowski are incredible. God damn producer, you have been an

0:58:17.440 --> 0:58:19.880
<v Speaker 2>absolute legend this entire time. We couldn't have done it

0:58:19.920 --> 0:58:22.040
<v Speaker 2>without you, but we also could not have done it

0:58:22.160 --> 0:58:26.200
<v Speaker 2>without iHeartRadio, Sophie Lichtermann and of course Ian Johnson, who

0:58:26.240 --> 0:58:29.840
<v Speaker 2>has been He is literally dealing with the wildfires at

0:58:29.880 --> 0:58:33.160
<v Speaker 2>the moment, and he is we like, we didn't hear

0:58:33.160 --> 0:58:35.880
<v Speaker 2>from it. It's like, oh crap, shit, And actually I

0:58:35.960 --> 0:58:37.880
<v Speaker 2>want to do a shout out to Miles Gray of

0:58:38.040 --> 0:58:42.200
<v Speaker 2>the Daily Zeitguy's the iHeart Radio show. He literally lost everything.

0:58:42.240 --> 0:58:44.560
<v Speaker 2>I'll be dropping a link in there. Don't feel obligated to,

0:58:44.840 --> 0:58:46.560
<v Speaker 2>like many people going through many things, but if you

0:58:46.600 --> 0:58:51.120
<v Speaker 2>can donate, please do and thank you for me. This

0:58:51.280 --> 0:58:55.560
<v Speaker 2>has been a very personal podcast, a little too personal,

0:58:55.600 --> 0:58:57.280
<v Speaker 2>and I have no idea if it's good or bad.

0:58:57.480 --> 0:59:00.680
<v Speaker 2>I really don't know. You seem to be happy, but nevertheless,

0:59:00.720 --> 0:59:03.160
<v Speaker 2>this is you've all kind of witnessed my own personal

0:59:03.240 --> 0:59:05.720
<v Speaker 2>journey with technology and technology has been part of my

0:59:05.760 --> 0:59:09.120
<v Speaker 2>love since I was ten. I think and you've all

0:59:09.160 --> 0:59:11.440
<v Speaker 2>been wonderful, and I think you like this and I

0:59:11.640 --> 0:59:14.400
<v Speaker 2>like doing this. I love doing this. We will be

0:59:14.520 --> 0:59:16.680
<v Speaker 2>back in a year, and I'll get to that in

0:59:16.720 --> 0:59:18.760
<v Speaker 2>a second. We'll also be back next week. We're going

0:59:18.840 --> 0:59:20.920
<v Speaker 2>to have better offline radio in New York. I get

0:59:21.000 --> 0:59:22.680
<v Speaker 2>on a plane to New York on Sunday. It's going

0:59:22.720 --> 0:59:26.640
<v Speaker 2>to be a complete nightmare, but no exciting. It's an adventure,

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<v Speaker 2>it is, and I just love cooking. I could probably

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<v Speaker 2>do another hour of podcasting, but you're thinking, please, please,

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<v Speaker 2>no more, no more. So we've had too much. But

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<v Speaker 2>in all seriousness, we're going to be back immediately with

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<v Speaker 2>Paris Martineau and of course Jeff Jarvis of twit and

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<v Speaker 2>their various associations. But we are going to be back

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<v Speaker 2>in a year. And I've learned so many ways to

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<v Speaker 2>do this. But the biggest lesson I've learned, and that's right,

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<v Speaker 2>it's friendship, is that everyone came together to support this show.

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<v Speaker 2>Every single goddamn person who walked into this suite walked

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<v Speaker 2>in here in ten I'm actually discussing what happened, and

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<v Speaker 2>everyone was so fucking wonderful. And I think now, of

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<v Speaker 2>all times, it's really easy to be kind of cynical

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<v Speaker 2>and definitely pessimistic about the tech industry and say that

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<v Speaker 2>there's nothing to redeem it really and everything is growth

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<v Speaker 2>of all costs. But I think that's reductive. I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's something where you can look at the most powerful

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<v Speaker 2>people and the things being talked about and lose the magic,

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<v Speaker 2>which is as fucked up as the algorithms are making

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<v Speaker 2>things as detached as we might be from whatever social networks.

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<v Speaker 2>This week has proven, at the very least, that there

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<v Speaker 2>are human beings that truly love the computer and love

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<v Speaker 2>the things that they can do with it and the

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<v Speaker 2>people it connects with. I hope I've given you something

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<v Speaker 2>in this week, and that's proof of solidarity with your

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<v Speaker 2>fellow human being and seeing that within this extremely boring,

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<v Speaker 2>arduous show, at times where most people are lying to

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<v Speaker 2>you or thinking about ways they could put you in

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<v Speaker 2>a position to lie to you more egregiously, there are

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<v Speaker 2>people coming in here who are slightly excited or very

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<v Speaker 2>excited about a smaller laptop because they're able to use

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<v Speaker 2>the computer in a different place, so they're able to

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<v Speaker 2>do more with their lives. And as Ed said, the

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<v Speaker 2>algorithms he used it he could potentially use for more

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<v Speaker 2>accurate linguistics, he could learn more about a language. There

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<v Speaker 2>are many wonderful things that technology can do. And I've

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<v Speaker 2>been quite emotional, and I think you like it, and

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<v Speaker 2>I fucking love him, but I'm emotional because I'm surrounded

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<v Speaker 2>by people who really give a shit. Emotional because every

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<v Speaker 2>single person that's come through this door, that people running,

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<v Speaker 2>even the people visiting, have shown that there's not a

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<v Speaker 2>single half asser in them. There's not a person that

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<v Speaker 2>I've spoken to who has not deeply and meaningfully cared

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<v Speaker 2>about something in technology. And there's nothing wrong with you

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<v Speaker 2>if you truly love what technology has done for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Nothing about this podcast is about trying to fracture you

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<v Speaker 2>from the things that you love about it. If you're

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<v Speaker 2>pissed off, I'm with you about the way it's being done.

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<v Speaker 2>But what I hope I've shown you in the last

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<v Speaker 2>week is that there are people that care as much

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<v Speaker 2>as you do, if not more, people that love it

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<v Speaker 2>as much as you do, and people who share your

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<v Speaker 2>frustration with the way things have gone. We will be

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<v Speaker 2>back next week, and we will be back in twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty six for the Consumer Electronics Show. If you listen

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<v Speaker 2>this long, I do love you all, and I'm so

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