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Speaker 1: A Zone Media.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the final episode of Better Offlines coverage of

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Speaker 2: the Consumer Electronics Show. I love you all, all right,

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Speaker 2: so we've made it everyone, we're on. The final day

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Speaker 2: is Saturday, January eleventh. We have all we conferenced ourselves

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Speaker 2: out a bit. We had a wonderful positive masculinity day,

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Speaker 2: went out and got brunch, we went got massages. Tonight

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Speaker 2: we're going to go get dinner. But we're here for

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Speaker 2: kind of a kind of an epilogue episode because yesterday

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Speaker 2: I thought was going to be less of a close,

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Speaker 2: but it turned out to be a real finale. So

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Speaker 2: really this is just about what we've learned at the CES.

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Speaker 2: So Phil, what have you learned at the CS? What

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Speaker 2: is it?

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Speaker 3: It's an ergonomics thing.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 3: So we just got massages, and man, I feel so

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Speaker 3: much better than I did five days standing on my

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Speaker 3: feet on marble in my multi decade career of gambling

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Speaker 3: in this fine city, and it's many beautiful slot machines

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Speaker 3: that we've previously discussed. I've gotten a sample a lot

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Speaker 3: of rooms, a lot of decor, and one of the

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Speaker 3: things that I've picked up is the more high end

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Speaker 3: your room is, the less carpet you get, so you

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Speaker 3: get a lot of marble to stand on, which is

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Speaker 3: awful on your feet. And I came back and I

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Speaker 3: earlier today I went looking at the pit bosses and

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Speaker 3: the dealers and realized they're standing on marble too. I

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Speaker 3: cannot imagine trying to work an entire day standing on

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Speaker 3: that outside.

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Speaker 2: So what was the lesson you learn?

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Speaker 3: Though, Auci, the richer you are, the more you're going

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Speaker 3: to hurt for style.

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Speaker 2: Hm hmm. Yeah. The problem is people keep thinking about

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Speaker 2: rich and hurt a little too much at the moment,

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Speaker 2: and I don't really want to fuel that conversation. So

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Speaker 2: the thing is more comfortable shoes. I guess you need. Possibly, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: we need to get you like a little kitchen pad.

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Speaker 2: Actually that might I'm saying that facetiously when that actually

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Speaker 2: might be the solution to the problem. Because Phil has

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Speaker 2: been tending bar. If you're for some reason choosing the

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Speaker 2: epilogue episode to start with, right, you're my kind of freak.

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Speaker 2: By the way, I am joined by, of course, health

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Speaker 2: physicist and bartender Phil BroadOn, who has been I think

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Speaker 2: you've served well at least one hundred drinks this week.

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Speaker 3: Oh well, based on the stacks of my cups well more,

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Speaker 3: we're probably in the two hundred range.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you've seen most of the tech media. It's

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Speaker 2: been lovely. Phil has been working his ass off and

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Speaker 2: we're all very grateful. And most of the tech media

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Speaker 2: is grateful. I say that as if some of them

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Speaker 2: wouldn't be, And well, maybe.

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Speaker 3: Like at eighty six from my bar, if they were.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. I don't think that's the case. We've

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Speaker 2: had like an unrelenting horde of very pleasant, lovely people.

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Speaker 2: And talking of that, mister Edward and Grazo Junior joins

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Speaker 2: us for our last day here. Hello, Hello, how you

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Speaker 2: feeling ed fighting the itis? You got the itis?

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Speaker 4: I mean, I have an unconscionable amount of food in

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Speaker 4: my belly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we fed, we fed. Just to be clear, I

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Speaker 2: fed the boys up being gorged and we're only doing

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Speaker 2: more of it tonight.

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Speaker 4: This morning and more. Yeah, you can do it. Did Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I woke up with heartburn in a slightly collapsed look

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Speaker 4: to inflate again.

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Speaker 2: But other than that, you know, average better offline lessener,

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Speaker 2: just one step closer to the end. I just want

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Speaker 2: to be clear, by the way, I feel great. My

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Speaker 2: Masseuse told me that my body is actually doing pretty

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Speaker 2: well and that I need to keep doing yoga. So

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Speaker 2: the answer here is that the more you speak on

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Speaker 2: the mic, the better you feel, more powerful you become,

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Speaker 2: the more power you accumulate over it over the course

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Speaker 2: of this. But I think it's been a very It's

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Speaker 2: been my favorite CS ever, and Phil at this point

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Speaker 2: has been to eight with me. It's the eighth YEP.

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Speaker 2: And I think what was really fun about it, other

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Speaker 2: weird radio show for like thirteen hours, is that it's

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Speaker 2: given me a lot of hope about the tech media.

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Speaker 2: And not that it was like blackpilled or anything, not

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Speaker 2: that I was like, oh, this is all bad, but

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Speaker 2: you talk to people, the people d Gadget. We have

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Speaker 2: three people from n Gadget or that Max Journey from

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Speaker 2: Reuter's and all of these people who are like so

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Speaker 2: passionate and actually rave. They gave a shit, and they

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Speaker 2: And I think you listeners can kind of agree with me.

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Speaker 2: It's it's really heartening to hear others talk about this

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Speaker 2: because I feel like the byelines that some people arounder

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Speaker 2: they kind of rob them with that passion.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: The actually some of the best talks talks interviews for

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Speaker 3: our reporters that came to visit to talk about the

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Speaker 3: things where you I'm not going to say you crowbarred

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Speaker 3: out of them for tell me the best thing you saw,

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Speaker 3: the thing that made you happiest when you were on

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Speaker 3: the floor. The thing they saw that invariably made all

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Speaker 3: of them happiest seemed to be when they found a

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Speaker 3: a shit. Yeah, so it's not people do love tech.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: If you have come here and you hate what you're offering, uh,

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Speaker 3: we're gonna notice.

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Speaker 2: And we're going to talk about it and we will

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Speaker 3: But we love tech, yeah they if you're selling it,

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Speaker 3: you need to love tech.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And I think it's easy to give into the kind

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Speaker 2: of cynicism of the moment because the people run in

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Speaker 2: the tech industry and no edge. You feel this strongly.

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Speaker 2: It's like the people running it don't give a shit

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Speaker 2: about tech. Mark suck Book doesn't give a shit about Facebook.

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Speaker 2: He's talking about how oh yeah, we need more masculine energy,

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Speaker 2: just mescalin, mask escaline. I'm sure masculine.

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Speaker 4: Pushing mescaline down there.

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Speaker 2: And it's just sad because it's this kind of repressed,

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Speaker 2: toxic masculinity where it's about dominance, even though his platform

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Speaker 2: only dominates by being a monopoly of sorts. It's just

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Speaker 2: very sad, and I realize we've been very male weighted

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Speaker 2: this week. It's like it's been positive masculine experience. We've

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Speaker 2: had good friendships here, but also just people have all

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Speaker 2: genders who have been here. I've had a great time

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Speaker 2: because it's been about hanging out and actually talking about

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Speaker 2: the stuff that intrigued or made you happy or made

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Speaker 2: you very angry of course, and I think that it's

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Speaker 2: cool that we got to encapsulate that. It feels like

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Speaker 2: collecting years of cs into one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So traditionally, everyone who's come to get a drink, I've

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Speaker 3: always asked them, tell me the thing that scared you.

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Speaker 3: Tell me the thing that you thought was dangerous to

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Speaker 3: see if I needed to call the fire marshal or

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Speaker 3: more likely, in the case of this show, drop a

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Speaker 3: line to the FDA. But the thing that I had

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Speaker 3: never asked, and I'm glad you were asking everyone on

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Speaker 3: the podcast is what what made you excited? What made

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Speaker 3: you happy? Because that's something I never did, and I

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Speaker 2: I think within the and as the real ED heads, No,

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Speaker 2: the real Zitron Law people, they'll know. But the previous

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Speaker 2: form of this was a p offen thing. Me. Look, Kevin,

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Speaker 2: what we'd come out here, would have journals over, wouldn't

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Speaker 2: have a good laugh with this. It felt like we

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Speaker 2: were actually building something cool and so Ed you had fun?

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Speaker 4: Right, mm hmm?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Did you actually like finding? And it's okay if

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Speaker 2: the answer is no, Did you actually find anything that

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Speaker 2: But talk to me about that, because there's nothing wrong

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Speaker 2: with that. Answers just yeah, what was it?

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Speaker 4: I think you know, I am not the market demographic

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Speaker 4: no interest in filling my home with gizmos, gadgets or toys.

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Speaker 4: I'm not really Also, as a result of that, in

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Speaker 4: appliances right, adding smart layers to them. I'm not too

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Speaker 4: interested in healthcare management. I mean, most of the things

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Speaker 4: And then there's the other you know, there's a part

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Speaker 4: especially people who are in need of things, people who

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Speaker 4: But you know, I think CS is also not the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I literally didn't like you know. I was like,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's a weird show as well, I

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Speaker 2: Just to map this out for the listeners. So we're

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Speaker 3: So you you talked about the vibe people together here,

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Speaker 3: talking and happy. So effectively, I'm with the bar, I'm

440
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Speaker 3: running the green room for what you're getting to hear

441
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Speaker 3: over here. When people leave here and the next crew

442
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Speaker 3: rotates in for your listening pleasure, the old crew does

443
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Speaker 3: not immediately bolt for the door. They actually sat down

444
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Speaker 3: with each other and they enjoyed each other's time.

445
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Speaker 2: I did notice that, And it's cool when we like

446
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Speaker 2: cycle out people like ed like you go back to

447
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Speaker 2: have a chat with them, and I realized, like, you've

448
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Speaker 2: been like somewhat unimpressed with the actual stuff, but you

449
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Speaker 2: seem to have had a good time with everyone.

450
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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I had a great time with everyone. Yeah,

451
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Speaker 4: I had a great time with the people.

452
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Speaker 2: Yeah. And I think that it's it's about the people,

453
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:03,960
Speaker 2: but it kind of is like I'm here to see

454
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 2: the dude AD's gizmos and the apps. No, it's to

455
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 2: pull together the tech media to have a conversation with

456
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Speaker 2: people and try and actually talk about what happens here,

457
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Speaker 2: because as of what was kind of getting earlier, this

458
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Speaker 2: place like Vegas is a fascinating place in and of itself,

459
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Speaker 2: so we see us even if the stuff is kind

460
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Speaker 2: of the same as last year, even capturing that mood

461
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Speaker 2: is kind of important and bringing you fresh was I'm

462
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Speaker 2: really happy.

463
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Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I'm really happy you brought me in. I mean,

464
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Speaker 4: this was definitely an imprint experience. It's definitely left its

465
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Speaker 4: mark on me.

466
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Speaker 3: Would you have even dreamed, coming into the getting on

467
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Speaker 3: a plane coming to Las Vegas that you were about

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Speaker 3: to meet the cryt readers for two of your favorite authors.

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Speaker 4: No, a lot of crazy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was.

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Speaker 4: That was such a wild turn of events for listener

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Speaker 4: who don't know they are. Father Gabriel and Phil are

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Speaker 4: krit readers for Christopher Rock Casino and Charles Strauss, who

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Speaker 4: Charstrusta sci fi Christopher Rock Casino does is doing like

476
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Speaker 4: but yeah, space romans that are in the deconstruction of

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Speaker 4: Dune and Star Wars, and also without like the turgent

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Speaker 4: pros of Foundation and the Foundation series.

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Speaker 3: These are the happy surprises that happened when you just

482
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Speaker 3: sit down start talking.

483
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Speaker 2: There was a great moment where Robert Evans and Father

484
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Speaker 2: Gabriel and Edim graz So Junior was sitting around for

485
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Speaker 2: like twenty straight minutes and they were having the They

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Speaker 2: were like, yoh, but hegel and they were like, no,

487
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Speaker 2: naming all these philosophers. And I was just sitting there

488
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Speaker 2: and I think I understand what Babo my cat feels

489
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Speaker 2: like when I can talk to it, because I was

490
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Speaker 2: just looking at it, just like wow, I know these names,

491
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Speaker 2: but they're connecting them in ways that clearly involve knowledge.

492
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Speaker 2: And then after twenty minutes, I just said, fuck, is

493
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Speaker 2: this what is like? What's it like being smart? Anyway,

494
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Speaker 2: that's the experience I bring to the sweep. But honestly,

495
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Speaker 2: it's been kind of fun watching everyone just talk. I

496
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 2: want this to be and I want you the listener,

497
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Speaker 2: to be pulled into this and to kind of feel

498
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Speaker 2: this because putting aside the very obvious and well documented

499
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Speaker 2: side of CS of that it's full of shit that

500
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Speaker 2: never goes anywhere, and everyone's kind of annoyed. The taking

501
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Speaker 2: full of people. It's also full of people sorry for

502
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Speaker 2: you were there. No no, no, I'm yeah. Ed is

503
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Speaker 2: a well drank and well fed as we all are.

504
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Speaker 2: But also we have had five straight days of just

505
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Speaker 2: like our brains being punished.

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Speaker 3: No really, I think this might be a massage recovery

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Speaker 3: as all the tensions holding me together, they removed it.

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Speaker 3: And I'm feeling real.

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Speaker 4: Good being my stomach for five hours and I was

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Speaker 4: rubbing into thought you.

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Speaker 2: Were just accumulating wealth.

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Speaker 4: I ran to this like the Buddha booth. I mean

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Speaker 4: I ran to the sweet last night because I was

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Speaker 4: gonna because.

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Speaker 3: No, there was a crisis. It had to be addressed.

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Speaker 2: Moving on, we're talking about how nice the solidary where no, no, no, no, no,

517
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Speaker 2: there was solidarity there.

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Speaker 4: No, I will not.

519
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Speaker 2: I was just about to do a whole thing about

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Speaker 2: how like We've had a bunch of guys in the suite,

521
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Speaker 2: and I think for the most part we've done good

522
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Speaker 2: positive masculinity without talking too much about our bowel movements.

523
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Speaker 2: I've got in his way talk beginning and then the

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Speaker 2: beginning with the vulnerable. I'm glad that we've got rotors

525
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Speaker 2: quotation on the Horny check like, but also I'm tired

526
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Speaker 2: of people on the Reddit asking to well for one,

527
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Speaker 2: but I think for the most part, we've I hope

528
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Speaker 2: we've shown like a bunch of guys hanging out have

529
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Speaker 2: don't don't have to be like nasty assholes. Just we've

530
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Speaker 2: not been tearing each other down. And I want this

531
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 2: because this industry is very male dominated, and something we

532
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,880
Speaker 2: do want to do better next year is I want

533
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Speaker 2: more woman in this more diverse voice is like this thing.

534
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Speaker 2: And I know some of you have brought this up,

535
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Speaker 2: and it's a fair criticism we had. We really only

536
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 2: had like three woman on there, and it's not enough.

537
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,360
Speaker 2: And so we're going to do a much better job

538
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Speaker 2: next year. And we've already like making plans for this

539
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty six. We are going to improve this show

540
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Speaker 2: on that level. But also I think we are going

541
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Speaker 2: to try and in as much as we can sync

542
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Speaker 2: up on coverage with these outlets and actually bring them in.

543
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Speaker 2: Because the big thing is is like better Offline's pretty big.

544
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Speaker 2: Now I can't even say how big because I am

545
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Speaker 2: told not to, but it's big. We have a real

546
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 2: audience now. And the thing I think we can do

547
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 2: with this show is, first of all, show you, the

548
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 2: wonderful listener, what's going on in the tech industry. And

549
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 2: what's going on in the tech industry is not just

550
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 2: the thing you see on the page. Even people have

551
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Speaker 2: criticized those people behind the byline are held by these

552
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Speaker 2: restraints of editorial bullshit. But on top of that, there's

553
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Speaker 2: only so much do If you're like writing about laptop,

554
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Speaker 2: how much we know about that person. So I want

555
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,400
Speaker 2: this show to be that now. And when it comes

556
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 2: to things like CES, I don't know where else they go.

557
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Speaker 2: I'm not going to.

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Speaker 4: South By, No, yeah you will. You gotta do it.

559
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Speaker 4: You gotta see how Crypto's taking it over.

560
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Speaker 2: Don't want to That sounds awful, It is awful. My

561
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 2: friends aren't there. It's the people.

562
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Speaker 4: Wholly white will go.

563
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Speaker 2: Maybe Molly White's great, but I would rather just like

564
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:28,400
Speaker 2: fly to Boston or whatever. Yeah, but nevertheless, this show

565
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,640
Speaker 2: is important to the tech industry. Yeah, and yet it's

566
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:35,920
Speaker 2: completely uncovered what actually happens here. There's a lot of

567
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 2: stuff about this robot does this, and this vacuum has

568
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 2: an arm now, but not the actual vibe, not the

569
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 2: actual feel, and it's interesting to finally capture that and

570
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 2: put it in a bottle. Yeah.

571
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Speaker 4: No, that's interesting because when I was trying to look

572
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 4: over covered to get a sense of what to expect,

573
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 4: it really was just people talking about past products and

574
00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 4: not like actual morale, energy, enthusiasm, lack thereof impact too.

575
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 3: Larger society and programs.

576
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 2: As well, But even then, the tech industry and the

577
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 2: tech media, it's full of these weird, wonderful people we've

578
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 2: had all week. And I feel like, and if you

579
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 2: the listener disagree with this, please let me know, but

580
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 2: it feels like people have responded really well to just

581
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Speaker 2: hearing the people behind these bylines and actually talking about this,

582
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Speaker 2: and that.

583
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Speaker 3: Those people got a chance to expand on what they

584
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Speaker 3: saw and what they felt in a way maybe they

585
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Speaker 3: even constrained from doing for a while, and not.

586
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Speaker 2: Even for malevolent reasons. It's just that, Yeah, if you

587
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 2: are writing a gadget blog and you write about gadgets,

588
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 2: there's not really much space for editorializing someone. We didn't

589
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Speaker 2: get on with. Michael Fisher, one of my favorite YouTubers,

590
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Speaker 2: and he has done a really good job of expanding

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Speaker 2: his YouTube I sound one hundred years long. He's got

592
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Speaker 2: one of those YouTube channels with the videos now Utebliss.

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Speaker 2: One of the light boxes captures his form. But he

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Speaker 2: was here. Sadly missed him going to see him for dinner.

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Speaker 2: I think next week. Nevertheless, he has done a really

596
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Speaker 2: good thing of explaining kind of the effema around his travel,

597
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Speaker 2: how like travel weighs upon him, how there are emotional

598
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Speaker 2: contexts to places he goes, the societal parts. He did

599
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 2: a great thing where he was in India talking about

600
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Speaker 2: the smog, for example. You can do more with this medium,

601
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Speaker 2: and I think that there's so much more interesting things

602
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 2: that we could do even with this show, because let's

603
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 2: be honest, you've got I don't actually know how many

604
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 2: actual reporters are here because the list includes every single

605
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Speaker 2: possible person who could ever mention words. But I would

606
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Speaker 2: say there's at least one hundred members of the tech

607
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Speaker 2: media here, like died in the Wall, actual tech media.

608
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Speaker 2: And the fact is there isn't a damn place where

609
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Speaker 2: other than like Twitter and Blue Sky, whether actually you're

610
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Speaker 2: actually able to get to know these people. I want

611
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Speaker 2: better offline to be that on some level it's not

612
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Speaker 2: just going to be that it's not just the kind

613
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Speaker 2: of mix of stuff, but I think it's a helpful

614
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 2: function of what the show could be in the future.

615
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Speaker 3: So something I've while I don't go to the floor

616
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Speaker 3: because I'm attending something that I do get to do

617
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 3: at Defcon and at Photonics West is watching for governmental

618
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 3: entities that are actually attending the show as well. And

619
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 3: it's a tradition at Defcon to play the game spot

620
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Speaker 3: the Nark, which is if you can find the member

621
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Speaker 3: of a given government agency and they've started playing with

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Speaker 3: it and actually having official booths and saying, can you

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Speaker 3: guess which agency.

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Speaker 2: I work for?

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Speaker 3: If you do, they'll give you a challenge coin or

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Speaker 3: a pin. But conversely, the deaf Con people will give

627
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Speaker 3: them a shirt for the narc Right to wear. But

628
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Speaker 3: our governmental agencies, our regulators are actually just like me,

629
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Speaker 3: interested in what's coming that I should be prepared for.

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Speaker 3: I like finding them and seeing what are you looking for?

631
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Speaker 3: If I could find on one willing to represent the agency.

632
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Speaker 2: That we talk to the FEDS inside here, though we

633
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 2: don't let them in here. I mean I will not

634
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Speaker 2: allow we're not having the government agencies in here. I

635
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 2: will not You can talk to them outside. But if

636
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Speaker 2: you if you remember, if the Feds, please don't come

637
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Speaker 2: to my show. I don't think that's going to be fun. Now,

638
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Speaker 2: if they turn up, I'm gonna have a word with

639
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Speaker 2: them and then say please don't, please, don't keep me well.

640
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Speaker 3: Actually, the hard part is the ones that are actually

641
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 3: doing the things that are of interest. They can't talk.

642
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Speaker 3: They're constrained by a public affairs office.

643
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Speaker 2: Perfect, wonderful. Then they have no reason to be here then,

644
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 2: but but.

645
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Speaker 3: Their their interest is actually the public interest.

646
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Speaker 2: I should listen to the show. Then they do.

647
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Speaker 3: Well and are generally happy.

648
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Speaker 2: Okay, I hope they are, because at least the ones

649
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Speaker 2: I talked to, I really don't want to get a

650
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Speaker 2: put in the goo lag, but putting aside the FBI's

651
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 2: clearly active interest than me, that's a great phrase to

652
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 2: say out loud. I do want this place to be

653
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 2: without the feeds, an actual place where journalists come. And

654
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 2: I know that there are some people who've reached out

655
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Speaker 2: to me and they've said they weren't able to make

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Speaker 2: it as such, We're going to remove We're going to

657
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Speaker 2: move stuff around next year. I want to make sure

658
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 2: there's more room for people, and mister Anguezo Junior sounds

659
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 2: like he will come back.

660
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would love to.

661
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 2: Mister Roth will as well. I will be here and

662
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 2: Phil is stuck with me. But I think that the

663
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 2: thing I want to do differently as well is I

664
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 2: want to really plan out the groups because and I

665
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 2: must be honest to the listeners how much of this

666
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 2: came together in real time. But also I think you'll

667
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 2: indulge me because what an insane thing I did here

668
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 2: like this has been very crazy and I cannot believe that.

669
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 2: I cannot believe how well it worked, and it's thanks

670
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 2: to you guys, And of course i'll produce in Matasowski

671
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 2: who built this whole setup. But it's interesting because something

672
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 2: like this could actually be useful for people to understand

673
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 2: the mechanism power within tech, because I want people to

674
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 2: realize how much of it's bullshit. Sure, but how You've

675
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 2: got journalists coming out here who are actually trying to

676
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,320
Speaker 2: find a way to cover it within the boundaries of journalism,

677
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 2: which can be quite difficult because most people can't come

678
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 2: on here and say, yeah, most of the shit I

679
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 2: saw was bullshit and that was broken and this is

680
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 2: shit not necessarily because of the byline, but also how

681
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 2: do you write that story? How do you actually put

682
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 2: that together? How do you actually say CS was full

683
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:28,919
Speaker 2: of dog shit?

684
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 3: And please read the rest of my words after this.

685
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 2: And I'll tell you the way you don't do that.

686
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 2: Being sponsored by Delta Airlines, I will I will voice

687
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 2: my displeasure about mister Nilla, mister Nilla Pattel.

688
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 3: He is a dirty, dirty man.

689
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 2: Some management questions aside, Nill had a chance to do

690
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 2: something interesting at CES and somehow I did the more

691
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 2: interesting thing, which is disappointing. But also if you're being

692
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 2: if you bother SEO of Delta Vacations, who what are

693
00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 2: you doing? Like? Or sorry, you're interviewing them to what end?

694
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 2: To what point? And I feel like the people covering

695
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 2: this show have got such a shit deal. But the

696
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 2: ones with the largest microphones other than my own don't

697
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 2: seem to be.

698
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 3: Full disclosure as a Platinum medallion member for Delta Man.

699
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,800
Speaker 3: Those are the emails the delete the fastest.

700
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 2: It's just frustrating because people at the Verge. And I'm

701
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 2: not attacking the writers because Victoria's song was amazing on

702
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:32,320
Speaker 2: this it feels like the people covering this show. Some

703
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 2: of them have potentially given up a little. The Verge

704
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 2: should not have a live show where the summation of

705
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 2: it starts with a fucking interview with the CEO of

706
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,800
Speaker 2: the worst part of the Delta experience.

707
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:45,280
Speaker 3: The Mini CEO.

708
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 2: And I saw people covering the Delta stuff just blandly,

709
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 2: and it's.

710
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:52,800
Speaker 4: Like, did you check out the interview? What was the

711
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:53,720
Speaker 4: interview itself?

712
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 2: I have not listened to the Verge cast in some time.

713
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 3: Well, I think, how you can cover that excitedly?

714
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 2: I think that No, actually, let me check my notes.

715
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 2: I did listen. It was let's see, it was James Tayklett,

716
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 2: the CEO of Lockheed Martin and who said that I

717
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 2: love the Verge. It's my favorite publication. And then they

718
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 2: were surprisingly joined by Handword chairman Sung and Kim, who said,

719
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 2: how the Verge is the best place to find out

720
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 2: about bombs. That is all the joke. I apologize, but nevertheless,

721
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 2: it's I've had that written down for a week. It's

722
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 2: just frustrating because it's like Leapatel, he can fucking do

723
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,399
Speaker 2: a better job, And honestly, they could be better things

724
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 2: done at CES. The thing we've proven in the last week.

725
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,280
Speaker 2: Not trying to put myself on the back or anything,

726
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,919
Speaker 2: but I don't even need to say that. The people

727
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 2: who have come on have been really interesting, and I

728
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,359
Speaker 2: think there's more that we can do. I don't even

729
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 2: know what whether to call myself part of the tech

730
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:50,879
Speaker 2: me You're on a fucking pr film during the day,

731
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,879
Speaker 2: write a newsletter where I regularly make typos that really

732
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 2: shouldn't be there. I just I don't know, man. But nevertheless,

733
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 2: it's like, there is more to be done, and there's

734
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 2: more to be done in the next year. And I

735
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 2: think the way everyone needs to go right now is

736
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 2: this move towards the question we've been asking a week,

737
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 2: which is why does this have to exist? Who is

738
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 2: it for? Why is why? And I think ed your

739
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 2: frustration with this place is that question is so often

740
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 2: not answerable somehow, Yeah.

741
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, deeply so. I feel like or it is a

742
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 4: constructed individual that's not necessarily real as the tech industry is.

743
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 2: Like so far, Yeah, they're solving for an imaginary or

744
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 2: are that.

745
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:39,399
Speaker 3: Search for an investor? The product is them?

746
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 4: I mean, I think you know, the the tech industry

747
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 4: has got and better in the years of constructing the

748
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 4: constructing the image that there is the person that wants

749
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 4: what they are offering. I mean, I think the most

750
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 4: recent example of this that was pretty bloigant was the

751
00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 4: construction of the crypto voter, as facilitated by fair Shake,

752
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 4: and they're pretty massive lobbying campaign to punish any candidate

753
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 4: that seemed remotely anti crypto, to resounding success. I think,

754
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:17,800
Speaker 4: like almost like a ninety plus percent hit rate for

755
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 4: winning races where they put up ads against or against

756
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 4: anti crypto or obstensibly anti crypto or insufficiently pro crypto candidates.

757
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 3: And that latter one is the really dirty one. You

758
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 3: don't love us enough, kiss the.

759
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 2: Boot in the imaginary customer, and.

760
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 4: The imaginary customer there's this is the idea of a

761
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 4: crypto voter. Someone who is motivated by a desire to

762
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 4: have a safe home for their crypto assets. They wanted

763
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 4: bank with, they wanted in a bank that they would

764
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,240
Speaker 4: typically use. They want their dollars to be more easily

765
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 4: transferable between or to these things. They want to have

766
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 4: more assets that can be you know, that they can

767
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 4: trade in their dollars or their tokens for right. And

768
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 4: I think similarly, sometimes when I see, you know, I

769
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 4: think about, like especially the Global Pavilion for Crypto right

770
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 4: where it's like these people are sitting here talking about

771
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:17,280
Speaker 4: how you know, for your brand, one way to increase

772
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 4: its authenticity has objectified, the company said, is to offer

773
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 4: a limited edition goods that will add an air of

774
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 4: rarity to your brand.

775
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: Yah.

776
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're all tokens right and you know these The

777
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:39,800
Speaker 4: idea here is also when you listen to them closely,

778
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 4: they're not saying like they're not actually saying there's any

779
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 4: use value. What they're saying is that we realized we

780
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 4: have a use case for justifying our service, which is

781
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 4: that you can make it more your thing, more exclusive

782
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:54,879
Speaker 4: in partnership with us if you cut us a fee

783
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 4: and you generate a useless token. I feel like there

784
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 4: is a lot of this where, you know, solution in

785
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 4: search of a problem, or a business in search of

786
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 4: an opportunity to cut to extract a.

787
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 2: Fee rather than solving a need.

788
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Speaker 3: Someone once asked me if I was willing to do

789
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 3: limited n F n FT coded release labels on Black

790
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 3: Blood of the Earth bottles so that they could have

791
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 3: someone could have their very own NFT run of Black Blood,

792
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 3: and that would be an email I would delete it.

793
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:32,800
Speaker 2: I would I would take such pleasure from watching you

794
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 2: enter the blockchain.

795
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 3: That was the point they wanted black block, black blockchain, coffee.

796
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 2: Block, Blood of the Earth.

797
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 3: I hate you.

798
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 2: So slightly different, slightly different direction. Do you actually like

799
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 2: any technology? I don't mean this in like anything. You

800
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:55,919
Speaker 2: seem to enjoy your phone and such, like you enjoy

801
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 2: connecting with people.

802
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I like, I like my phone, computers, screens.

803
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:09,800
Speaker 4: But most things I'm just like, I'm not really a

804
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 4: cool Yeah, trains are cool. I mean if we're talking about,

805
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 4: for example, non digitally mediated, I mean, of course we're

806
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 4: talking about digitally mediated. I really have to be because

807
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 4: I'm not interested in like productivity hacks or saving time

808
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 4: person Yeah, you know, for me, like it's like the

809
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 4: things I'm interested in software and programs you know that

810
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 4: have helped me. I'm interested sometimes in you know, I

811
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 4: have a friend who I you know, I have a

812
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 4: friend who I learned coding with the you know what

813
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:45,839
Speaker 4: was in there like maybe ten years ago. What in like, Well,

814
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 4: I don't talk about it because I don't like, uh

815
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 4: doing it, because I don't really care for much and

816
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 4: because of the reason I don't talk about it is

817
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 4: because it's always fun when I have when a tech

818
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 4: and gets a little mad at me, and I was like,

819
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 4: why is this guy who doesn't even code? And I'm like,

820
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 4: what about me makes you think? I can't tell me?

821
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 4: That's cool though, So, you know, especially with the more

822
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 4: the more recent wave of tools of generative tools for

823
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 4: coding supplements, I mean, you know, I've kind of been

824
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 4: inspired by like writing from like Brian Eno and you

825
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 4: have getny more is off to try and create like

826
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 4: small applications that help us learn other languages because I've

827
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 4: been trying to learn Mandarin for a long time, right,

828
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 4: you know, And so stuff like this is fun and interesting,

829
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 4: like little trinkets, little little you know, short desktop apps

830
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 4: or you know, all small little programs that helped me

831
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 4: in my daily life. But I do I'm not really

832
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 4: interested in like some overhaul.

833
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,839
Speaker 2: It feels like what you're describing is the purest form

834
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 2: of technology, which is why do we use the computer

835
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 2: to connect with people or connect with ourselves a bit

836
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 2: more to actually true love what we want to do

837
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 2: more to enhance ourselves. Because the reason I'm asking these

838
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 2: questions is because there are some fucking idiots I'm just

839
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 2: gonna skip to that part. Who would just be like, well,

840
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 2: it's just a hater. Yeah, and I've got the same

841
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 2: thing as an heir to his hatter m Otherwise, can

842
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:20,439
Speaker 2: I say a terrifying that he might finish his point

843
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:22,879
Speaker 2: and then we'll get to you. Don't worry I am

844
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 2: a hater in that.

845
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:25,879
Speaker 4: I think that a lot of times.

846
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 2: The greatest hate is love. Yeah, right, please continue.

847
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,760
Speaker 4: When someone is talking to me or trying to convince

848
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:35,479
Speaker 4: me to integrate some algorithm or digital program into my life,

849
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 4: what they're usually talking about is a way to like

850
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 4: offload some of the cognitive burden and not actually cut

851
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 4: through a stupid task or to not come up for example,

852
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 4: like you know, me and my friend we've you know,

853
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 4: you've getting more is an inspiration for this what he

854
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 4: talks about in one of his essays about how he

855
00:43:55,719 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 4: uses generitive tools to try to create a group of

856
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:05,280
Speaker 4: language programs so that he'll try to talk in another

857
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 4: language or answer questions another language, and then based on

858
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 4: the weaknesses, it will generate kind of questions and exams

859
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 4: and stories that will test what he has shown a

860
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:16,320
Speaker 4: deficiency in.

861
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 2: You know, there's like elements of how one structure is

862
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 2: a sentence.

863
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 4: Maybe, yeah, grammar, sentence structure, ambiguities of descriptive language. I mean,

864
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 4: and this is stuff that interest us more than the

865
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:34,839
Speaker 4: way in which we typically have been trying to learn

866
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 4: the languages, especially you know, because I'm doing I'm trying

867
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 4: to do Swahilia as well, so Swahili and Mandarin, and

868
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 4: he's doing Spanish and Pastrin, and so it's like there

869
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 4: are a lot of the apps that are offered in

870
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 4: a lot of the programs, a lot of the methods,

871
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 4: or we simply either don't have the time to do them,

872
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 4: or the the gamification that's presented is bullshit.

873
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 2: Will do a lingo style, you know.

874
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 4: So I'm if you can figure out a way to

875
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,919
Speaker 4: do it that is more closer resembling how a human

876
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 4: human interaction does it without trying to convince me that

877
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,800
Speaker 4: I need to offload onto some sort of platform and

878
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 4: or some ecosystem. Sure, I mean, I'm interested, right, but

879
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 4: most of the time you have to make you have

880
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 4: to make the case, and it has to be a

881
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 4: convincing case for why an algorithm needs to be introduced

882
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,839
Speaker 4: into something that I'm interested in using. And I think

883
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 4: that most of times, if you actually spend time talking

884
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 4: with the people about it and interrogating it, it doesn't

885
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 4: past the sniff test.

886
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 2: Right.

887
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 3: This is where the solving the language problem and the

888
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 3: human interaction level. This is where I have to say

889
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 3: the terrifying words. I love Uber mm hmmm, because it

890
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 3: did one thing that they are not proud of, that

891
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 3: they do not tout as a thing they can do.

892
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 3: In general, Uber is tals and to regulated right environments.

893
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 3: It destroys taxi networks, never mind adoption of tech technology

894
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 3: that taxi should have done to approof service. Uber obliterates

895
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 3: that good ecosystem. However, in unregulated markets or ones that

896
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 3: are highly corrupt and barter based where I don't know,

897
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:28,280
Speaker 3: such as such as Ukraine and most of Eastern Europe.

898
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 2: Now your experience with this was pre war, though right.

899
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 3: It was pre war in Kiev. I do not speak Ukrainian,

900
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 3: although my feeble language skills of I speak English. I

901
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 3: have technical Spanish, I can have commerce Spanish, but don't

902
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 3: ask me to talk about poetry and art.

903
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 2: If you make two Spanishes, I call back to another anyway.

904
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:58,320
Speaker 3: But when I got done playing in the Great Patriotic

905
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 3: War Museum, and it was snowing, the first snow of

906
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 3: the season in Kiev, and I did not feel like

907
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 3: doing my normal thing of walking all the way across

908
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 3: the city just to enjoy and absorb the city and

909
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 3: on international data rates. I downloaded Uber on the principle

910
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 3: of I just want to get back to my hotel.

911
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 3: Uber was able to, within its app allow me to

912
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 3: arrange a ride negotiate. Well, I didn't even negotiate set price.

913
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, then negotiating for you.

914
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 3: It negotiated for me for a set price that is firm,

915
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 3: and get my destination correct with a driver. Neither of

916
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:48,840
Speaker 3: us spoke each other's language, and it was seamless. That

917
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 3: is a thing they never tout, they are not proud of,

918
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 3: but they do everywhere in the world, and with time,

919
00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:00,360
Speaker 3: I did that in twenty sixteen. Their language translation on

920
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 3: either end of their app has only gotten better.

921
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 2: But the problem is that you're completely right, except for

922
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 2: the fact that Uber also had a bigger opportunity they

923
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 2: didn't do, which was if they'd have grown sustainably and

924
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 2: set real labor rates and demanded benefits, Uber could probably

925
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 2: be a fifteen trillion dollar company.

926
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 3: Oh you mean, actually be profitable.

927
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 2: No, I mean beyond that. If uber had slowly grown

928
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 2: and done it more than minimum wage and use their

929
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 2: scale to actually commit themselves to getting real benefits rates

930
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 2: for employees and grown like that, they could have actually

931
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 2: grown to be probably the largest employer in the world

932
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 2: and actually given people benefits. So they chose the other.

933
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 2: And what sucks is that the reason they did what

934
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 2: you just described, which is genuinely good, is so that

935
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 2: they could find new people that spoke other languages to

936
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:52,800
Speaker 2: extract from.

937
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:56,320
Speaker 3: That was the first time I called an uber of

938
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 3: my own.

939
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 2: I remember, and it sucks that they didn't do it

940
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 2: to make sure that you could do the thing you did.

941
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 3: It was just like we had to get that extracion.

942
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 3: Fuck it makes me mad with the sign of the

943
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 3: simultaneous You made a human experience I couldn't have otherwise had.

944
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:16,880
Speaker 2: But is this not CS A lot of ideas that

945
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 2: are made up that could could be for ostensibly good reasons,

946
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:23,240
Speaker 2: But I've really done for the investor, for the theoretical customer.

947
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 2: Everything we've describing that's good here is about actually connecting

948
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 2: the smart cane as glib as I might have been

949
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:34,359
Speaker 2: about it. People genuinely will find good in that I'm

950
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 2: excited about.

951
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,319
Speaker 4: The medical devices. These are all good. And I mean,

952
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 4: and we've also you know, we've talked before about huh.

953
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:43,800
Speaker 4: There are lots of algorithmic things I have nothing to

954
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 4: do with the consumer that are helpful, you know, that

955
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 4: are on the back end of helping test things or

956
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 4: discover or do trials for various compounds. Right, as long

957
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:58,800
Speaker 4: as you don't put you know, I'm very skeptical of

958
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:02,320
Speaker 4: the generative tools that are being deployed for this, but

959
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 4: you know, more traditionally, when they're done for this, this,

960
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:07,360
Speaker 4: you know, is something that's interesting. I mean, there's a

961
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 4: host of applications that we wanted to sit down, we

962
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 4: could talk about. But you know, for me, the thing

963
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 4: I don't hate, I mean, the thing I don't like

964
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 4: and the stuff I just like kind of informs my

965
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:18,840
Speaker 4: my antipathy towards it. My ludism is like, you know,

966
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:23,720
Speaker 4: usually when we have a venture capital firm, a private firm,

967
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:29,760
Speaker 4: or well capitalize individual, hedge fund, whatever pushing a certain

968
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 4: type of technology innovation, it's because they're interested in prioritizing

969
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 4: the startup form, which itself already closes a lot of

970
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 4: doors because you have to adopt a certain product, you

971
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 4: have to adopt a certain value structure so that you

972
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 4: can pay the software tax or the you know, the

973
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 4: cloud tax, or you have to you have to figure

974
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 4: out a way that you're going to you know, organize

975
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 4: labor so that you can have contractors and employees and

976
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 4: all of these limitations. There's more energy being spent on

977
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 4: or the barriers to maximizing potential valuation and profitability in

978
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 4: market share instead of the actual technological innovation itself.

979
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 2: So we are at the end, I'm afraid, And yesterday

980
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 2: you got my kind of teary goodbye to everyone, and

981
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 2: to give you an idea of what the room was

982
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 2: like yesterday, it was full of people and everyone was

983
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:36,359
Speaker 2: yelling and it was very fun. That's where you got

984
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:39,399
Speaker 2: the yes chef from. We have had an insanely cool

985
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 2: crew of people, of course led by mattis Houski, our

986
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,800
Speaker 2: producer here, but we've really gone through a lot of

987
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 2: the tech media and the thing I'll say for next

988
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 2: year is I'm going to have more of them. We

989
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 2: had twenty guests on this damn show, including the people

990
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 2: in front of me as well.

991
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:54,919
Speaker 3: I have more liquor to serve.

992
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 2: Indeed he does, and it's fun. It's also it seems

993
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 2: like the listeners. I want this to be an active

994
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:03,800
Speaker 2: conversation with you. You're on the redditch, you email me.

995
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,399
Speaker 2: I love it. Please get in touch on Blue Sky,

996
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:09,280
Speaker 2: you get in touch on Threads. I am not listening

997
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:11,399
Speaker 2: like I just want to be clear, like I look

998
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:15,879
Speaker 2: down on you, Instagram, DMS, Absolutely, Threads not so much

999
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 2: why I'm a hypogram. Anyway, this has been an amazing

1000
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 2: show and I want to hear from you. But next

1001
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 2: year we're going to be a bit more structured, but

1002
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 2: also it's probably going to be the same format. We're

1003
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 2: going to have what diverse voices, and we're also going

1004
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 2: to get into more definitive subjects. I think the one

1005
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 2: thing I could have done, but there are a few

1006
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:36,879
Speaker 2: things I could have done better. One thing I could

1007
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 2: have is subject matter and having the subject matter experts.

1008
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 2: We have people like Max Cherney and Da Vinda Hardware

1009
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 2: who really knew their chips, for example, we can wrangle

1010
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 2: that coverage far more specifically. But also there was something

1011
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 2: fun about having the Slop of the Week just kind

1012
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 2: of wash over us because I wanted all of you

1013
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 2: listening do kind of get an idea of how obtuse

1014
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 2: a conference is. And I know some of you go

1015
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 2: to a weird conference is and such and thus you

1016
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 2: have this experience. But Phil, thank you for being up bartender,

1017
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 2: thank you for serving everyone. I'm I really treasure your

1018
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:11,839
Speaker 2: hard work. And let's do nine next year.

1019
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:16,320
Speaker 3: Hell Yeah's something I'm very proud of that I started

1020
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 3: trying to kick in the sixth and seventh time we

1021
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 3: did this was making sure I had non alcoholic options

1022
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 3: available for people. I had more than ever available this year,

1023
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:31,240
Speaker 3: and I'm glad I got to give it to people.

1024
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 2: Who yeah, because this is not a place where you

1025
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 2: have to drink.

1026
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:38,720
Speaker 3: Because most people who don't drink can't drink.

1027
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1028
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 3: They usually feel very asked out when they go to

1029
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 3: events at conventions like this, and I want people to

1030
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 3: feel welcome.

1031
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 2: And you are here, like, I don't care if you

1032
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 2: don't have any substances. Maybe you don't even have food.

1033
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 3: You don't need even gas station mushrooms.

1034
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:57,279
Speaker 2: Want to say thank you Robert for the gas station

1035
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 2: mushrooms you bought. And I didn't take them because I

1036
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:01,320
Speaker 2: don't just eat food.

1037
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:02,760
Speaker 3: Off the floor or gas stations.

1038
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:04,360
Speaker 4: I mean, but it was that I introduce you to

1039
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 4: some of my friends. Yeah, I drug of freakins. We

1040
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 4: would call some of them.

1041
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 2: Okay, that's that's a new term. That is a series

1042
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 2: of words that I will be unpacking for some time.

1043
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:17,839
Speaker 3: But a pleasure. It's real fun.

1044
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:21,399
Speaker 2: And this is kind of the I was about to say,

1045
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:23,320
Speaker 2: the end of the rope. It's quite the opposite, the

1046
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 2: beginning of something cool, because Phil and I have been

1047
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 2: doing this for so long and some of you have

1048
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 2: got in touch and like asked, it's this was a

1049
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:31,479
Speaker 2: sweet where we brought our friends in from the tech media,

1050
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 2: and now it's turned into something really cool that I

1051
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:36,879
Speaker 2: look to grow and turn into something weird and fun

1052
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 2: every year. If you're a remember of the tech media

1053
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 2: who was not on here listening to this, get in touch.

1054
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 2: If you're in New York, for example, we will be

1055
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:48,399
Speaker 2: doing what you heard this week very regularly. Every other week.

1056
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 2: I would say, get in touch. Maybe it's not the

1057
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 2: next episode, but I want a chunk of the tech

1058
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 2: media on there. I want I want this. The tech

1059
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 2: media is full of such insanely fun and weird and

1060
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 2: wonderful voices, tons of people so good on the mic

1061
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 2: that you wouldn't know. I want to help with that.

1062
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:09,919
Speaker 2: I want this to be something Phil.

1063
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:12,840
Speaker 3: And if you're coming to the Bay Area for some reason,

1064
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 3: I'm always happy to give the Phil Broughton Tour where

1065
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:19,720
Speaker 3: I point at Manhattan Project things that aren't there anymore.

1066
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:20,840
Speaker 4: Oh you're on the bay.

1067
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 2: Yeah wow, wait died how many hours and we just

1068
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 2: didn't reveal that?

1069
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, well yeah, I live in the Bay Area

1070
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,400
Speaker 3: and I work at a university that is somewhere in

1071
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:30,919
Speaker 3: the Bay Area.

1072
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:33,959
Speaker 4: I'll be I'll be there twenty eight to thirty first. Also,

1073
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:36,439
Speaker 4: if you're in the Bay Area twenty to thirty first,

1074
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:39,399
Speaker 4: you should come to my co host Jathan Sadowski's book

1075
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 4: launch at City Lights.

1076
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 2: Jathan Sadowski, of course, the inventor of the Habsburg AI term.

1077
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 4: Yes, I got the air appand of the Absburg embardy

1078
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 4: yell at him and say this is a stereotype.

1079
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 2: A man. I am so jealous of that that happened.

1080
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 2: I am so upset that I've not had like AI

1081
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 2: and and AI very nice. Those are my two favorite kinds.

1082
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 2: Right but also ed on Gwaiso Junior, thank you so

1083
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 2: much you have battled through this week for your first

1084
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:18,320
Speaker 2: ces in. I would say the conditions have been chaotic,

1085
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 2: but I made it. He made it.

1086
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 4: My stomach made it.

1087
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 2: He cooked. But also you're going to see in the

1088
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 2: next year exactly how much mister Gwayso Junior does. He

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Speaker 2: is incredible and we've been so lucky to have him.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. I got to meet one of my favorite writers.

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:38,399
Speaker 3: I've been enjoying your work for so long.

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Speaker 4: I really appreciate that.

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Speaker 3: It's been awesome.

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Speaker 2: And I will say this as I say every time

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Speaker 2: when I meet you. Man, I also got to have

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Speaker 2: drinks some of my favorite writers. Thank you so much

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Speaker 2: for your time. It's been a genuine pleasure, I imagine

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Speaker 2: for the listeners, but selfishly for me mean too.

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't have done it with anyone else. Guys.

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Speaker 2: Hell yeah, and this is the thing, like this has

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Speaker 2: been very guy way too. But also I want all

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Speaker 2: the fellows to listen to remember that you can love

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00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 2: your male friends and talk about how fucking rockin they

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00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 2: are and how much they've supported you all week. You

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00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:11,280
Speaker 2: don't have to be so fucking self conscious. You fucking

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00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 2: cowards compliment each other. Also, Ed is like the best

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Speaker 2: dressed man I've ever fucking every fucking day. I'm just

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00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 2: swearing too much. Ed looks just amazing. I look pretty

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Speaker 2: good too. Don't say it jealous of a suit. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he actually has like the most wonderful I wish I

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Speaker 2: was this cool, but nevertheless, we've had an incredible crew

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Speaker 2: of people. I want to start by thanking Jared Newman

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Speaker 2: the Freelancer, Henry Casey of CNN underscored Ednie Demeyer of

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Speaker 2: the Autono Cast, Father, Gabriel Mosher of course of the Church,

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00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:45,440
Speaker 2: Jesse Ferra and Michael Hale of your Kickstarter Sucks, Tom

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00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 2: McKay of It Brew, of course, David Roth of Defecta,

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00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 2: Matt Binder of Mashable, Max Journey of Reuters, Gara Davis,

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Speaker 2: and Robert Evans of course if it could happen here,

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Speaker 2: Phil Broughton, who's sitting across from me, of what I've

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Speaker 2: just written as miscellaneous, Devendra Hardowa, Carissa Bell and of

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00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 2: course shirln Lowe of ng Gadget Victorious Song of the Verge,

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Speaker 2: Kyl Shnard of the Las Vegas Sun, and of course

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Speaker 2: Mattasowski are incredible. God damn producer, you have been an

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Speaker 2: absolute legend this entire time. We couldn't have done it

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Speaker 2: without you, but we also could not have done it

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00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 2: without iHeartRadio, Sophie Lichtermann and of course Ian Johnson, who

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Speaker 2: has been He is literally dealing with the wildfires at

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Speaker 2: the moment, and he is we like, we didn't hear

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00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 2: from it. It's like, oh crap, shit, And actually I

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00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 2: want to do a shout out to Miles Gray of

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Speaker 2: the Daily Zeitguy's the iHeart Radio show. He literally lost everything.

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Speaker 2: I'll be dropping a link in there. Don't feel obligated to,

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00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 2: like many people going through many things, but if you

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00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 2: can donate, please do and thank you for me. This

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00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 2: has been a very personal podcast, a little too personal,

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00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 2: and I have no idea if it's good or bad.

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00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 2: I really don't know. You seem to be happy, but nevertheless,

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00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 2: this is you've all kind of witnessed my own personal

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00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 2: journey with technology and technology has been part of my

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00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 2: love since I was ten. I think and you've all

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00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 2: been wonderful, and I think you like this and I

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00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 2: like doing this. I love doing this. We will be

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00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 2: back in a year, and I'll get to that in

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00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 2: a second. We'll also be back next week. We're going

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00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 2: to have better offline radio in New York. I get

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00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:22,680
Speaker 2: on a plane to New York on Sunday. It's going

1148
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 2: to be a complete nightmare, but no exciting. It's an adventure,

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00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 2: it is, and I just love cooking. I could probably

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00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 2: do another hour of podcasting, but you're thinking, please, please,

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00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 2: no more, no more. So we've had too much. But

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00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 2: in all seriousness, we're going to be back immediately with

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00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 2: Paris Martineau and of course Jeff Jarvis of twit and

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00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 2: their various associations. But we are going to be back

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Speaker 2: in a year. And I've learned so many ways to

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00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 2: do this. But the biggest lesson I've learned, and that's right,

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00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 2: it's friendship, is that everyone came together to support this show.

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00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:58,800
Speaker 2: Every single goddamn person who walked into this suite walked

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00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 2: in here in ten I'm actually discussing what happened, and

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Speaker 2: everyone was so fucking wonderful. And I think now, of

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01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:09,320
Speaker 2: all times, it's really easy to be kind of cynical

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Speaker 2: and definitely pessimistic about the tech industry and say that

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01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 2: there's nothing to redeem it really and everything is growth

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Speaker 2: of all costs. But I think that's reductive. I think

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Speaker 2: it's something where you can look at the most powerful

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Speaker 2: people and the things being talked about and lose the magic,

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01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 2: which is as fucked up as the algorithms are making

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Speaker 2: things as detached as we might be from whatever social networks.

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Speaker 2: This week has proven, at the very least, that there

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Speaker 2: are human beings that truly love the computer and love

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Speaker 2: the things that they can do with it and the

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Speaker 2: people it connects with. I hope I've given you something

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Speaker 2: in this week, and that's proof of solidarity with your

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Speaker 2: fellow human being and seeing that within this extremely boring,

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Speaker 2: arduous show, at times where most people are lying to

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01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:56,360
Speaker 2: you or thinking about ways they could put you in

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Speaker 2: a position to lie to you more egregiously, there are

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Speaker 2: people coming in here who are slightly excited or very

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Speaker 2: excited about a smaller laptop because they're able to use

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Speaker 2: the computer in a different place, so they're able to

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Speaker 2: do more with their lives. And as Ed said, the

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Speaker 2: algorithms he used it he could potentially use for more

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01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:15,920
Speaker 2: accurate linguistics, he could learn more about a language. There

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01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 2: are many wonderful things that technology can do. And I've

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Speaker 2: been quite emotional, and I think you like it, and

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Speaker 2: I fucking love him, but I'm emotional because I'm surrounded

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Speaker 2: by people who really give a shit. Emotional because every

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Speaker 2: single person that's come through this door, that people running,

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Speaker 2: even the people visiting, have shown that there's not a

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Speaker 2: single half asser in them. There's not a person that

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Speaker 2: I've spoken to who has not deeply and meaningfully cared

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Speaker 2: about something in technology. And there's nothing wrong with you

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Speaker 2: if you truly love what technology has done for you.

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Speaker 2: Nothing about this podcast is about trying to fracture you

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Speaker 2: from the things that you love about it. If you're

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01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 2: pissed off, I'm with you about the way it's being done.

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Speaker 2: But what I hope I've shown you in the last

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Speaker 2: week is that there are people that care as much

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Speaker 2: as you do, if not more, people that love it

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Speaker 2: as much as you do, and people who share your

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Speaker 2: frustration with the way things have gone. We will be

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Speaker 2: back next week, and we will be back in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty six for the Consumer Electronics Show. If you listen

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Speaker 2: this long, I do love you all, and I'm so

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Speaker 2: grateful for you listening to Better Offline. Thank you for

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Speaker 2: listening to Better Offline. The editor and composer of the

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Speaker 2: Better Offline theme song is Matasowski. You can check out

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Speaker 2: more of his music and audio projects at Mattasowski dot

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Speaker 2: S O w Ski dot com. You can email me

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