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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Let go. Are you

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Speaker 1: ready for a Break? Yes? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely?

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Speaker 1: Ready for a break? Yeah, and so much for that.

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Speaker 1: It's time for the Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton.

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Speaker 1: It is Wednesday, February twenty fourth, two twenty one, season sixteen,

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Speaker 1: Episode number ninety eight, and welcome to a very special

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Speaker 1: latest edition of The Break, Part that You Buy Geico.

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Speaker 1: We're live from SWBC Mortgage Studios at the Star. And

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Speaker 1: when I say we're alive from the SWBC Mortgage studios

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Speaker 1: at the Start, I mean we are live from the

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Speaker 1: s WBC Mortgage studios at the Star. I got Nick,

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Speaker 1: I got Dave, I got Amber. We are all in

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Speaker 1: studio for the first time in a year, or maybe

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Speaker 1: a little more than a year, right close, at the

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Speaker 1: first time we've done a show. No, first time we've

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Speaker 1: been in the studio together. Yeah, in a year, because

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Speaker 1: I want to say around this time last year, I

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Speaker 1: know I was at a meeting in Pittsburgh. You guys

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Speaker 1: were at Combine, right it's been a year, so we

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Speaker 1: didn't do anything. We came back, so it's been a year.

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Speaker 1: It's been a full year. This different, it feels good.

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Speaker 1: I would say it's like a hockey game, but I've

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Speaker 1: so I wouldn't know. That's a better analogy though, because

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I feel like I'm in the

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Speaker 1: reptile house at the Zoo. But this that's weird too.

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Speaker 1: I've been a lot of time. I'm getting my bearings

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Speaker 1: like a zoo. Yeah, who doesn't interesting things. I can't

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Speaker 1: reach out to hit Nick like you know, he says

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Speaker 1: something crazy. I just can't like hit him. Rip shot

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Speaker 1: of the last show we did you did? No, I didn't.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't get past the glass around and hit me

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Speaker 1: in the break. Oh I did come around if I

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Speaker 1: hit you, But I do still owe you. See the

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Speaker 1: funny Like we're sitting here. We think it's so cool

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Speaker 1: that we're all in our room together, but anybody listening

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Speaker 1: to this is like, oh my god, they can just

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Speaker 1: talk and not trip all over each other and lose

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Speaker 1: WiFi and all other faith happen. You know what I

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Speaker 1: think we're gonna do. I think we're gonna put together

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Speaker 1: a compilation of all of Day's moments when he froze

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Speaker 1: on camera. I think that'd be actually a pretty good

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Speaker 1: video because that seemed to happen every show for the

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Speaker 1: last year. Or Dave's talking and he gets right to

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Speaker 1: the best part of his point and then it's like,

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Speaker 1: I just see, it's just Dave stuck there. I would

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Speaker 1: like to think that I got better as the season

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Speaker 1: went along, but I can't prove that. Maybe like an

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Speaker 1: hour and a little bit video along when it would

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Speaker 1: be long. How you doing, Amber good? You're just sitting

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Speaker 1: over there looking at us. I think we're all just

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Speaker 1: so excited to be and you're like, let's get this

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Speaker 1: thing over with. Yeah, you guys are way more excited. Definitely,

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Speaker 1: I'm just glad I'm alive right now. We all survived

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Speaker 1: last week, so I'm just glad to be breathing right now.

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Speaker 1: What people don't know about Amber is that Amber hates

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Speaker 1: the coal, so it was doubly bad for Amber. Like

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Speaker 1: all the other stuff, the water, the heat, all that stuff,

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Speaker 1: Amber hates the cold, so you're talking five degrees Ambers

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Speaker 1: out on that you talk, you talk fifty degrees Ambers like,

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Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not doing. Did you happen to notice

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Speaker 1: where the Cowboys star quarterback was while all of that

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Speaker 1: I'm sure at some point. Hopefully, at some point they

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Speaker 1: having comments like signed back. So maybe we can get there.

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Speaker 1: So I think he's really involved in the negotiations, which

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Speaker 1: But I think we're getting close to the thirty business hours. Yeah, like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: for hell, yo, not even a run if he's not.

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Speaker 1: last few shows we've been talking about the offense. We've

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Speaker 1: of want to set the conversation with a bigger picture

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Speaker 1: It was bad last year, and saying it was bad,

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Speaker 1: assuming the growth is minimal. But they can create a

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Speaker 1: you can take his number down significantly from the tag number.

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Speaker 1: Maybe they don't draft well, but they have confidence in

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Speaker 1: on the defensive line. My first question for you guys

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Speaker 1: Let's did you read the mailbag this morning? Maybe not?

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Speaker 1: Was I supposed to? I was actually mail baglast yesterday.

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Speaker 1: That's why I was confused. It was Tuesday. Tuesday's mailbag.

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Speaker 1: Dave and I both answered, what position on the whole

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Speaker 1: team if you had a chance to just get an

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Speaker 1: impact player? And we both kind of went around different

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Speaker 1: spots would all be great, but we ended up with

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Speaker 1: defensive end. Yep. Really, oh yeah, of all the positions

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Speaker 1: on this team. Okay, but that's not that's not a

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Speaker 1: knock on Randy. Okay. And when you at you said,

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Speaker 1: I think your wording ones. Are you comfortable that you

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Speaker 1: Like it's there. I'm comfortable with it. But it could

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Speaker 1: always be better, Like I would love to have more

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Speaker 1: I would love to have more badass pass rushers. If

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Speaker 1: another right end, that's even better. That's a great problem

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Speaker 1: to have, and it probably that's what I said in

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Speaker 1: how you that's the best way to fix it. And

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Speaker 1: I know, you know, people go back and forth coverage

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Speaker 1: verse pass rush and like, if you've got great coverage,

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Speaker 1: that's awesome and it definitely helps. But guess what the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys don't. So I always think about the New York Giants.

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Speaker 1: the fifteenth overall pick, they took this freak name JPP

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Speaker 1: and he you know, did they need him? Not really?

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Speaker 1: But they went from comfortable to did they have tuck

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Speaker 1: Did you say Kenny. Kenny was on the first one too. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: They had so many weapons in that front, and that's

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Speaker 1: such a good Cowboys team with that pass Russian and

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Speaker 1: obviously the Patriots and the Packers if you remember they

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Speaker 1: beat all three of those teams at Place. I would

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Speaker 1: but the Legion of Boom was legendary as a defense,

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Speaker 1: like they will go down to Lure as one of

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Speaker 1: but I do think that front, that pass rush though,

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Speaker 1: think it's easier to help a secondary with a badass

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Speaker 1: You can't cover for twelve days if you can't rush

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Speaker 1: the passers. So there is also are are we counting

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Speaker 1: I mean, are we counting on Gregory? Well, that's part

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Speaker 1: of this question, Like do you do you feel comfortable

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Speaker 1: Like the rules have been changed, I'm not worried about

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Speaker 1: I'm very optimistic a Randy will be around. This should

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Speaker 1: This is the first time. It's amazed that he should

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Speaker 1: be around from February until August. I feel great about it.

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Speaker 1: But at the same time, I think, you know, they

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Speaker 1: redid his contracts, so like this is the last year

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Speaker 1: And he's also I don't know if he's ever played

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Speaker 1: sixteen games in his entire career, but that doesn't that

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Speaker 1: also tell you just how good this guy is. Sure

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Speaker 1: fortunately or maybe not fortunately. But I don't think the

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Speaker 1: and there there's no Chase Young in this class. You

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Speaker 1: know that, like, oh, the Texas Calsa, I don't. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it depends on where you get him. I don't think.

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Speaker 1: You know, we're not talking about draft second round? Is

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Speaker 1: him at ten. Let's put it that. I know that.

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Speaker 1: So who is getting drafted at ten? Maybe Miami? Sounds

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Speaker 1: like I keep hearing all the corners, well Gregory, Gregory Roussou,

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Speaker 1: which don't even don't say Michigan pass rusher to a

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Speaker 1: cowboy fan. So it's yeah, that's that's tough that they

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Speaker 1: have to live with that, but it's a part of

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Speaker 1: it unfair, but it's a thing. Well, I mean, there's

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady because or you know, because they had Drew Hinson.

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Speaker 1: You know, you can't compare. To be clear, that's a

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Speaker 1: mistake and a dumb way to look at the draft.

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Speaker 1: But that's not going to make anybody feel better about

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Speaker 1: what happened with Taco. Um. So I'm comfortable with Randy

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Speaker 1: and I would guess if you make me guess right now,

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Speaker 1: he's probably your starter when the season gets here. But

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Speaker 1: I would still be happy to try to add to it.

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Speaker 1: I think something else you said in the mailbag, though,

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Speaker 1: it's not just about that. It's are you comfortable with

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Speaker 1: your third pass rusher? Because it was for the last

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Speaker 1: couple of years. You know, you had Quinn and then

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Speaker 1: you had Alden Smith in there and then but now

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Speaker 1: what are you going to do there? You know, is

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Speaker 1: it gonna be Dorin's Armstrong, It's gonna be Bradley and

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Speaker 1: I is he going to see the field? I mean like,

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Speaker 1: is he ready to make that jump? So I think

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Speaker 1: I think you're not. I think I need to add something.

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Speaker 1: You had something there, a defensive defensive line, defensive end,

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Speaker 1: and hope that you get a healthy tank. Tank started

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Speaker 1: to see it. I mean, you started to see him

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Speaker 1: always have to get sacks to play well. He played

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Speaker 1: well at the end of the season, but he needs

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Speaker 1: some help. You mentioned Aldon Smith. Amber, I'll ask you

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Speaker 1: this question, do you think, based on what you saw

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Speaker 1: last year, you would go back, go out and resign

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Speaker 1: Aldon Smith to a longer term deal, two or three

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Speaker 1: year deal even just would you have him back on

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Speaker 1: this team next year? Absolutely, I would definitely won him back.

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Speaker 1: I know he was dealing with some injuries and got

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Speaker 1: but to his credit, he was doing all the work

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Speaker 1: the first half of the season. So the good thing

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Speaker 1: it wasn't anything major, Like, he wasn't dealing with any

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Speaker 1: definitely come to an agreement with him and get a

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Speaker 1: and it worked out me. I feel I would feel

639
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 1: okay with the position. And honestly, I mean, you guys

640
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 1: talking about defense event and all that, but I feel

641
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 1: like there's no wrong answer here, Like I don't feel

642
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: like if you were to get any other position on

643
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: defense that anyone could really be mad at it. You know,

644
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: there are so many needs that there's absolutely no wrong

645
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 1: answer here. It's just like, Okay, who's the best talent

646
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 1: out here, and let's go for it. Because you definitely,

647
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: what are we doing that linebacker? I mean, that's a

648
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: big question mark there. We have no idea. Yeah, that's

649
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: a whole show. But the defense you have, you see

650
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 1: it as well as a It's all layers. You know.

651
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 1: You start with the defensive line, and then he goes

652
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: to linebackers, and then you got the secondary, so it

653
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 1: all trickles down and everyone it's just everyone affects each other.

654
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: But I guess it just depends and it comes down

655
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: to the best talent available there. But defensive end position,

656
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 1: I would feel good if we do have Alden Smith back,

657
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: and I feel like he wouldn't be an issue. He

658
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: would be able to give you a lot on the field. Again,

659
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: let's zoom in a little bit on Aldon Smith because

660
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: I was looking at his production from last year and

661
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: this stuck out to me. Four of the five sacks

662
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: he had last season happened in the first three games.

663
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 1: I think he had one in game one, he had

664
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: three in Game three, and then he only had one

665
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: more sack from Week four through week game sixteen of

666
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: the season. In addition that almost half of his tackles

667
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: came in the first five games of the season. He

668
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 1: had twenty six in the first five games, a total

669
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: of forty eight for the season. Do you attribute a

670
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: lot of that to the fact that this was a

671
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 1: guy who hadn't played football since twenty fifteen, or do

672
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 1: you think it was just a situation where, you know,

673
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: at first he was just kind of hot, and then

674
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 1: we realized that he just may not he may not

675
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: have what he needs in order to play at this

676
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: level at this point in his life. What else happened

677
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: at the midpoint of the season, Randy Gregory showed up

678
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 1: and started reacclimating. So I think it's a little bit

679
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: of both of those, which I think it's you know,

680
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: we talked about Randy being a freak. I think it's

681
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: equally impressive that a guy took five years off and

682
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: even if he tailed off, he was a different difference maker.

683
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 1: Is maybe strong for the defense that was that bad,

684
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: but he was a reliable contributor to a pro defense

685
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: five years after if he if he was tailing off,

686
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, his numbers did, but I nobody caught

687
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,479
Speaker 1: him on that a seventy eight yard touchdown. I mean, like,

688
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: and I know that was just one play against the Bengals,

689
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: but it was an athletic play from a defensive end

690
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: to scoop up that ball and take off like that.

691
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 1: And I think it shows, like they've said, five years

692
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 1: removed from football. They always talk about it an injury,

693
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 1: you know, that first year back after an ACL injury

694
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 1: or any injury, it's kind of tough the year. How

695
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: about five years? About five years of some tough life.

696
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 1: You know, for sure, Aldon Smith wasn't wasn't worried about

697
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 1: some of the people that in Dallas and some of

698
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 1: the issues people had or you know, and then you know,

699
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: sleeping with no heat and all that. This guy was

700
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 1: living under cars for a while. I mean, this guy

701
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 1: was living a really tough life. And now he's back

702
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 1: playing and he had one year and it was a

703
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: good year, and he in any other year probably could

704
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,720
Speaker 1: have won Comeback Player of the Year, you know, but um,

705
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: I'm surprised he didn't even get many more more votes.

706
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 1: I thought that was kind of a shame. Alex Smith

707
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,280
Speaker 1: should have won it. But Alden Smith, five years removed

708
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: from football to come back and play like he did. Um, yeah,

709
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: I think he. I think he's deserving of a new contract.

710
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 1: But I don't know about the one year deal because

711
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 1: he lost five years of He lost five years of

712
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: paychecks too. He's probably looking to it if anybody, if

713
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: anybody is gonna go after and deserves to like the

714
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: best possible offer that he should. Yeah, but I'll tell

715
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: you this, looking at the production, I think that it

716
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 1: might work out for Dallas, that they actually can get

717
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,439
Speaker 1: him for a reasonable deal. I think, yeah, I think

718
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 1: it is realistic to think that he could wind up

719
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: back here in a not crazy deal. He did a

720
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: very um interesting interview you could on our on our show,

721
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: on our one of our shows, the back in I

722
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 1: guess November December. But the thing about it, if you

723
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: kind of sift through some of those comments, he also

724
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: said we were building this. We next year. You know,

725
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,399
Speaker 1: he talked a lot about next year. Didn't really talk

726
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 1: like an unrestricted free agent. He talked a lot about

727
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 1: what they've been building and what they could do what

728
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: they'll be next year. So I'm not sure I'll just

729
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 1: money talks, but I'm just saying I'll throw every year.

730
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 1: I w terribly on It's hard to put it. There's

731
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 1: thirty two teams and all it takes is one to

732
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 1: decide that you're the guy. And I was my jaw

733
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: dropped when I saw what Robert Quinn got last year

734
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 1: because I was I was like, you know, he's on

735
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 1: the tail end of his career. He's kind of you know,

736
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: he's more of a pass rusher than an all around end.

737
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: And Chicago was like, we don't care. Here's eighty million dollars.

738
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,320
Speaker 1: So because they got all around goal on the other side,

739
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 1: can afford to say give me you got to just

740
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: go get the pass around the opposite side. I would

741
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: like to think it's realistic, but all it takes is

742
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 1: one team to be like, oh we can we can

743
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: turn this back into the old Alden Smith and then

744
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: and then we're doing a show about how he's gone.

745
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: So that coy smile of them, well, it's it's it's interesting.

746
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not trying to be a hater, but

747
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, you talked about you're talking about Khalil Mack.

748
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,439
Speaker 1: You know, they got him locked up and he's good.

749
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: He and then the other side you can just go, well,

750
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: that's what you think you should have had here, you know,

751
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: that's what they're playing for. Maybe, but let's not be like.

752
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 1: Khalil Mack is the best, in my opinion, the best

753
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 1: defensive end in football, and I don't think it's even

754
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 1: that close. Um. I think it's unfair to just say, well,

755
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 1: that's what you're paying for. Yeah, you have to pay

756
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 1: because that was market price. But I don't think anybody

757
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: was expecting him to have Khalil Mack type production, right.

758
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: That's just kind of what sucks about it, though, Marcus

759
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 1: market price sometimes, you know, and the Cowboys really haven't

760
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 1: been able to cash in on that as much. Maybe

761
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 1: Zach Martin, yes, but everybody else, I mean not really,

762
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: you know, and we're about to find out. I guess

763
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 1: with that too. But I'm just saying, you know, with

764
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 1: Cooper and Zeke and and Delaj and Jalen, was below market,

765
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,359
Speaker 1: you know, that was actually did I'd take I'd take

766
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 1: issue with Cooper. I mean, especially like Cooper didn't like

767
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: set this crazy new market like he Yeah, he slotted

768
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: himself right in there where he probably should be, and

769
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:16,959
Speaker 1: he had a pretty damn good season consider rights. Yeah,

770
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 1: but I mean I certainly not getting it from Zeke.

771
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 1: I'm higher on Tank than a lot of people. But

772
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: as the money is the money and he's I mean,

773
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: you're not getting what the money says you should. Um

774
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: who else? Jalen? Obviously? I mean we don't even have

775
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: to go there. So Yeah, I mean overall, I do

776
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 1: agree with you. That's funny. All right, here's we're gonna

777
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: do um before we get to the next question. Or actually,

778
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 1: let's go and get this question before we do the

779
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,800
Speaker 1: final break. Let's assume for a second they don't decide

780
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: to resign Alton Smith. Do you think the third defensive

781
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: end is on this team or how would you feel

782
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 1: if the third defensive end were on this team? You're

783
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,800
Speaker 1: talking about guys like Dorance, Armstrong, Bradley and I Or

784
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: do you think the Cowboys really got to go out

785
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: and if you say, if what you say is true,

786
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 1: day there aren't really great option out there in the

787
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:02,280
Speaker 1: draft that they really got to go into free agency

788
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: and try to find themselves a competent um good defensive end.

789
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: As their third guy. If you just listen to Jerry,

790
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 1: I was gonna go ahead and go ahead. It's I

791
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: mean we you know, I said the other day, like,

792
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: this is the longest we've gone in an offseason without

793
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: hearing from Jerry or Stephen because there was no Senior

794
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: Bowl and we're not at the Combine. But if Jerry

795
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,919
Speaker 1: Jones had a chance to speak publicly, I bet we'd

796
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:29,760
Speaker 1: be writing something about how Dorn's Armstrong is the next future.

797
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 1: They love to drop him his name, It loves him

798
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: some Dorian's Armstrong and I don't I don't necessarily see it.

799
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 1: But who the hell am I? Well, the coaches did too.

800
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,399
Speaker 1: It was no I know, I can just hear. It's

801
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: one of those things where I'm just like, somebody's crazy

802
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 1: and I don't know right, maybe it's me. I don't know.

803
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: I mean I watched every game and I look at

804
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 1: the stats, and I look at the hidden stats. You know,

805
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 1: I stats. You know you can find stats to tell

806
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: the story, and I'm still just looking for it. I'll

807
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 1: say this, though, what is what is the thing that

808
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,919
Speaker 1: endears a player to the coaching staff like nothing else?

809
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: Work hard, single play work hard. You're saying, there we

810
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: go contribute on special teams, and Dance Daurance was great

811
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: on special teams, like he made the play for Dan Francisco. Yeah,

812
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:15,760
Speaker 1: he was on all the teams. He forced that fumble,

813
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 1: Very versatile, knows his assignment. You know, he reminds me

814
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: of a little bit just like of a kind of

815
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: a gadget kind of guy. Is the guy I wasn't

816
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: gonna say that, but no, Tyrone Crawford, who is a

817
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: guy that now is going to be an understricted free

818
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: agent and there's doc talk that he may be done

819
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: with football. But I think he's the kind of player

820
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: like Tyrone. You never really looked at him and thought

821
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,720
Speaker 1: he was a great player, but coaches loved him. Coaches

822
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: thought he was like, that's my kind of git, right

823
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: that that has been a trap that this team has

824
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: fallen into time and time again because and again love him.

825
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: I'm I am the unofficial president of the Jeff Heath

826
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 1: fan Club. But Jeff Heath has the game of his

827
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,320
Speaker 1: life against Aaron Rodgers in the playoffs, and that goes

828
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 1: from this special team's beast gadget guy should be our

829
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: starting safety. And that wasn't probably a mistake, and that's this.

830
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 1: I mean, Dorence Armstrong, if he's your fourth end and

831
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:14,919
Speaker 1: a special team's ace, that's awesome. Don't try to sell

832
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 1: me like he's a ten sack guy, because I feel

833
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: like we would have seen that by now if that

834
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 1: was true game of his life, would have forced a

835
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: fumble on Aaron Rodgers. I mean, hey, when people when

836
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: I didn't hang onto that ball every year, every year,

837
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: people are like, here we go talking about quarterback hand size,

838
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 1: and I'm like, guess what it matters. Go watch that

839
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: play because if he's got small hands, that Jeff heats

840
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 1: scoring a touchdown, Cowboys make no way he's supposed to

841
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 1: hold on that ball. Cowboys make the NFC Championship game.

842
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 1: If if he forces a fumble on that players. I've

843
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 1: never been there before. I know I even know what

844
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: that is. This sport is so cruel. Came over to

845
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 1: us at the end of that game. She was so sad.

846
00:40:55,880 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 1: She was like, I wanted you guys to get a ship, Like, yeah, well,

847
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: just I mean, we're going down a rabbit hole here.

848
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: But if that happens, like if he strips Rogers and

849
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,879
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851
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:18,879
Speaker 1: then like all of the narratives reset because because everything like, oh,

852
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,600
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853
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854
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Speaker 1: I mean the way they're a defense actually was a

859
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Speaker 1: pretty good on defense. That here the Falcons. Who's their coordinator?

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862
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863
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869
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00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:44,959
Speaker 1: at this point, and my first question for you guys

916
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: revolves around the two young guys, Tristan Hill and Neville Gallimore.

917
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: They both I thought had moments where they flashed this season. Um,

918
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 1: if you were to if the Cowboys were to go

919
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: the route of signing a big time free agent, the

920
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 1: challenge you have there is you got two young guys

921
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 1: who need snaps in order to develop you, and you

922
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 1: sign a big time free agent that's gonna take snaps

923
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: from them, which slows their their progression. You would think, So,

924
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 1: which way do you think the Cowboys should go with this?

925
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 1: Do you go out and if you can, if you're

926
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 1: gonna spend money in free agency, that's a position where

927
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 1: you would go all in for a big time defensive

928
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 1: tackle if you could find one. And that means that

929
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 1: you slow down the progress of those two young guys,

930
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 1: or do you look at this as I have two

931
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: young guys, I want to develop them. I'm gonna get

932
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: some help in the free agent market or in the draft,

933
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 1: but I'm not necessarily looking for a guy that's a

934
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:31,280
Speaker 1: big free agent because I think I got two guys

935
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: who can play. Let's start first few, Dave, I think

936
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 1: that probably. I mean, that just depends on the player, honestly,

937
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 1: I mean, and and the size of the contract. Again,

938
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: you can be frustrated by it all you want, but

939
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 1: it's a very good guess that they're just they're not

940
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: going to splash obscene amounts of cash. I mean, I

941
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 1: gotta see it to believe it at this point. But

942
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 1: I mean especially at tackle, well sure, yeah, that's not

943
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 1: a position that they ever jump out anyways. And then

944
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,879
Speaker 1: they you know, so if there is a top notch

945
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 1: tackle like unlikely they will even try to get him anyways.

946
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 1: And then but we are we basing this on a

947
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 1: lot of years of Jason Garrett, and maybe that's why

948
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:10,359
Speaker 1: they weren't willing to do that. Where now you deal

949
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 1: with a different coaching staff that may have a different picture,

950
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:15,879
Speaker 1: and unfortunately, I mean I'm not trying to throw shade

951
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:17,959
Speaker 1: at anybody, but like we haven't talked to Dan Quinn

952
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: since he got hired. I have no idea what he

953
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 1: wants to do with this defense, unfortunately, so I'm just

954
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 1: taking my best guests and history. Even last year with

955
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: a new coaching staff, they brought in Gerald McCoy. But

956
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 1: that's my point is talented player on the back end

957
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 1: of his career who they got for a lesser price,

958
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 1: which if he's healthy and wants to come back, let's

959
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 1: go Kawan Short who is not far removed from being

960
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:42,879
Speaker 1: one of the best D tackles in football. If he

961
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 1: can be had for a decent price. All in, I

962
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: doubt and Damkin Sue wants to leave the Super Bowl champs,

963
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:51,360
Speaker 1: I would guess he just re ups with them. But

964
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 1: if he wants to come here, all in on that too.

965
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: Otherwise I think you probably just make do I mean,

966
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 1: you know, if Tristan Hill can come back from his

967
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 1: ACL and you think you feel good about that, yeah,

968
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 1: Like I like the idea of letting those two draft

969
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: picks develop. I mean Tristan was showing I mean like

970
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 1: he was showing promise when he got hurt, and Gallimore

971
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 1: came along. So if those are my top two, I

972
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 1: feel fine about that, and you can fill in the

973
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: depth behind him, and I think Antoine Woods will be back.

974
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 1: I think he's a restricted free agent, so it shouldn't

975
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 1: be hard to keep him. So it's not a huge

976
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 1: thing for me where I'm like, we gotta go do

977
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 1: something crazy. But if you can identify like a McCoy

978
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 1: like last year, I mean, I know it didn't work out,

979
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,840
Speaker 1: but I don't think that's their fault. Amber now I

980
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 1: agree with everything. I feel the same exact way with that.

981
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: And to me, i've maybe because it's the position of

982
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 1: itself that is just not that attractive or you know,

983
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 1: get many eyes on it because of it's not really

984
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 1: a flashy position. But I just I got other worries.

985
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: I got other needs that are way way higher than

986
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 1: defensive tackle. I was impressed with what Tristan Hill was

987
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 1: able to do last year. It was very very unfortunate

988
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 1: that he got hurt. What game was that that was

989
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,320
Speaker 1: the same game as that, right, Yeah, that was so soon,

990
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 1: So it just sucks that that happened. But I do

991
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 1: think that he's still able to come back and jump

992
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 1: right back at it, and Gallimore he was showing some

993
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: impressive stuff too. So hopefully with another year on him

994
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 1: and just developing the guy and all that, it'll be better.

995
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 1: But just overall, I just think that there are just

996
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 1: so many other bigger needs than defensive tackle. If they

997
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: want to bring someone in for cheap, whether that's a

998
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:45,319
Speaker 1: veteran guy like Dave said, that just works great. But

999
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 1: other than that, I'm like, I'm way more focused on

1000
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 1: other positions. Yeah, I mean I think that I think

1001
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 1: that's the right approach. I think that's the approach that

1002
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 1: it's gonna that they're gonna take. But it's kind of

1003
00:48:58,120 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 1: the same with safety. When you're like, well they just

1004
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 1: don't do that, it's like, well they haven't done it

1005
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:04,879
Speaker 1: in twenty five years or twenty years. They haven't gotten

1006
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 1: a safety like that, and they haven't gotten a defensive tackle.

1007
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: They don't put that kind of you know, priority level

1008
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:12,320
Speaker 1: on it. But maybe they should because this this isn't

1009
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,800
Speaker 1: working like this, you know this, Maybe they should draft

1010
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 1: a defensive tackle at number ten. I don't know if

1011
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 1: there's one available that's which And I was I was

1012
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 1: gonna say, I can I can hear people listening saying like,

1013
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 1: how do you expect your linebackers to be better if

1014
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 1: your defensive tackles can't keep blockers off of them? I

1015
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 1: get that, I just I don't see a super clear

1016
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,879
Speaker 1: path to drastically upgrading, Like I don't. I don't think

1017
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 1: there is a defensive tackle that's worth that. Let me

1018
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 1: ask you this, do you think I think JJ Watt

1019
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 1: could play a three technique in a four three line?

1020
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 1: I think J J Watt could probably that the kind

1021
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:46,319
Speaker 1: of guys let's let's put a name to it, a

1022
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 1: JJ Watt. Would you be willing Now again, I'm not

1023
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 1: saying you got to break the bank, because I don't

1024
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 1: think you would break the bank. And maybe that's the

1025
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 1: reason why you can't get him, because some team is

1026
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 1: willing to break the bank on him. But if you

1027
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 1: could get it for a price that makes sense, and

1028
00:49:58,160 --> 00:49:59,800
Speaker 1: that would be an elevated price, but a price that

1029
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 1: may sense, would you look at a guy like that

1030
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 1: to bring in at your three technique lootely or if

1031
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:07,439
Speaker 1: he wants to play either end, he can do that too,

1032
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 1: Like I'll find a spot for him to get J

1033
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 1: J Watt. You know I think I think you know

1034
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: he's gonna He's not just gonna go and change positions.

1035
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's gonna go and be Well, he's

1036
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:18,399
Speaker 1: been a three he's been a defensive end of three four.

1037
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 1: That's why I say Kenny slack because it's kind of

1038
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 1: in between. You could go to one or the other.

1039
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 1: We've been a defensive end and three four, and I

1040
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 1: think the Cowboys just change their defense for him. You

1041
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 1: just go straight to a three four. You know, I've

1042
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 1: said it before. I think that you know they have

1043
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:34,839
Speaker 1: pieces there. Randy, Randy Gregory's a big piece. Who's your

1044
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:38,359
Speaker 1: nose tackle? The problem? Well right now? Yeah, I mean,

1045
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,720
Speaker 1: if you're gonna go to three four, who's that's a

1046
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 1: pea and who's your nose tack? And they don't have

1047
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 1: a guy. They don't have that guy, not a space

1048
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 1: eating guy. They don't have that guy. You gotta get

1049
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: You gotta get him too. The problem with JJ him too.

1050
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:51,919
Speaker 1: Then you gotta sign him and say, hey, you're playing

1051
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 1: next to JJ Watt, deal with it. JJ Watt's in

1052
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:59,399
Speaker 1: that very unique situation where like what I'm I'm going

1053
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: out on a lamb, but he's going to defy expectations

1054
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 1: because he's he's made more money than he could ever spend.

1055
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 1: Like he's done that, He's signed two or three contracts.

1056
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 1: He's all. He's in the Hall of Fame tomorrow. But

1057
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:13,399
Speaker 1: he wants to win a super Bowl and he can

1058
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 1: decide where he wants to go. And so like I mean,

1059
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 1: like Tampa Bay, he would take less to play in

1060
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay. Or like if he wants to play with

1061
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 1: his brother, he could go to Pittsburgh. He's from Wisconsin.

1062
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:26,879
Speaker 1: Buffalo is a piece or two away. I just think

1063
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:29,839
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are further away from being a super Bowl

1064
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 1: winner than about at least half a dozen you left

1065
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 1: out Green Bay. There's six to eight teams that are

1066
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 1: much that seem to be much closer to contending than

1067
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. And JJ Watt doesn't care about money stayed

1068
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 1: income tax. That's true. I'm just actually, and it's not

1069
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:53,359
Speaker 1: a far movie. A lot of people, yeah, a lot

1070
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 1: of them do, but that doesn't matter. It's where you're playing,

1071
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:58,280
Speaker 1: Where where you work is where you get to tax you.

1072
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:00,800
Speaker 1: You are uniquely positioned to way in on this because

1073
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 1: some people have made fun of me. JJ Watt is

1074
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 1: the closest thing to like the face of Houston sports

1075
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 1: in the last like twenty Like he's mister Houston. Um,

1076
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 1: I think it would matter to him because how are

1077
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 1: people in Houston gonna feel if he signs in Dallas.

1078
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 1: I think that's true. I think that matter. You know,

1079
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 1: you know what it reminds me of. It reminds me

1080
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 1: of DeMarcus Ware when DeMarcus Square left Dallas. Yeah, he

1081
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 1: didn't want to go to the nfcas he really didn't

1082
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 1: want to go to the NFC. He's gonna and it's

1083
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:26,399
Speaker 1: because he will always be a Dallas cowboy in his mind.

1084
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:29,399
Speaker 1: And so he went a whole different conference to where

1085
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:31,360
Speaker 1: it's not even and now he says, I'm a Bronco

1086
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 1: and I'm a Cowboy. But he could do that if

1087
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 1: he went to Philadelphia JJ, clearly, And I'm not feel

1088
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 1: that he cares about his public image and he cares

1089
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 1: what he loves the city of Houston. Yes, And I

1090
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 1: just from all indications, And I mean, if the Cowboys

1091
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:46,320
Speaker 1: were on the cusp of if the Cowboys were the

1092
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:48,279
Speaker 1: best team in the NFC, maybe it doesn't matter. But

1093
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 1: they're not, then I just I don't think he would

1094
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:51,360
Speaker 1: do that. Yeah, I kind of agree with you on that.

1095
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 1: I kind of agree with you. All Right, you made

1096
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 1: a comment. What did you say, said, Nolan Ryan did? Like,

1097
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 1: that's the same. I don't know that Nolan Ryan, right, Yeah,

1098
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 1: got it, he didn't. He didn't get what thirty million

1099
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 1: dollars for flooding in Houston and all that. Do you

1100
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 1: think he's not, like honestly before probably he's probably the

1101
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 1: next guy in line in Houston sports lore behind a

1102
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:19,919
Speaker 1: Chemolari one. Yeah, probably right up there with him. JJ

1103
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 1: is gonna do what Chris Long did and sign a

1104
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 1: laughably small contract with a Super Bowl contender and probably

1105
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 1: go help them win it, which that would be cool.

1106
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 1: I like J J Watt, good for him. Who are

1107
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 1: gonna say amber something that Dave said that just got

1108
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:36,399
Speaker 1: me thinking. And you know, we tend to assume that

1109
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 1: everyone just wants to come to the Dallas Cowboys because

1110
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:42,840
Speaker 1: of what they are. But aside from JJ Watt and

1111
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 1: just other veteran guys, do you think they sit there

1112
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:47,879
Speaker 1: and they're looking at a Dallas and be like, nah,

1113
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:50,720
Speaker 1: they're They're not really gonna get me to a super Bowl?

1114
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 1: You know what they care about? Honestly, I think when

1115
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:55,319
Speaker 1: when players want to come here, I think they want

1116
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 1: to come here. They'll say those things in press conferences

1117
00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:59,399
Speaker 1: and say, man, it's great to be able to wear

1118
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 1: the star and all that, like that's cool. But at

1119
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 1: the end of the day, I think they think about

1120
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 1: it more from the standpoint of that state income tax.

1121
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 1: That's a lot of freaking money. That is a ton

1122
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 1: of money. So playing in Texas versus playing in California,

1123
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 1: versus playing in New York or Jersey, whichever you want

1124
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 1: to put it like, there's a sizable difference in the

1125
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: amount of money you're gonna make when you're playing in

1126
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:23,879
Speaker 1: those cities. And I do think, and people Jerry gets

1127
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 1: a hard time for this, but I do think it's

1128
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 1: legitimate playing. And we've seen it happen over and over again.

1129
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:30,880
Speaker 1: Guys finished playing here, and if they have even a

1130
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 1: modicum of success, they have a lot opportunities. They want

1131
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 1: to go into media. They get shots at Jason Witton

1132
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 1: up jump the line. He jumped the line, Tony Romo

1133
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 1: jumped the line. You can't tell me if they would

1134
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 1: have been even in a city like Green Bay where

1135
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 1: you got a successful program there. You can't tell me

1136
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 1: that those guys are jumping the line like the Cowboys do.

1137
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:54,880
Speaker 1: There is some value to playing in this city. You

1138
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 1: know what state also doesn't have income tax LATA. Is that? Yes? Yeah?

1139
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 1: And I I have this bad feeling like we're we're

1140
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 1: about to see the closest thing to a Lebron situation

1141
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 1: as we've ever seen in the NFL. I mean, Brady

1142
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:11,440
Speaker 1: showed up in Tampa and won the whole thing like

1143
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 1: it was nothing in his first year, and guys are

1144
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 1: just gonna be like, I want a piece of that,

1145
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 1: And they're going to be more veterans available to go

1146
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 1: down there. They're gonna be more veterans available than ever

1147
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 1: before because the cap didn't grow, Like like, guys are

1148
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 1: gonna be getting cut left and right, and a bunch

1149
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 1: of them are gonna be like, let me go win

1150
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:29,360
Speaker 1: a ring with Tom before we were Also, he doesn't

1151
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:31,399
Speaker 1: have a lot of money on that cap. I mean,

1152
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:33,880
Speaker 1: it's a it's a sizeable deal, but not it's not

1153
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:36,319
Speaker 1: crazy relative to how good he is and how the

1154
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 1: other quarterbacks are. Yeah, and they might have some whole

1155
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 1: suo because I think they got some free agents that

1156
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 1: were they can Godwin's a free agent r. Godwin's a

1157
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 1: free agent Shack Barrett, and they're gonna lose a few

1158
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:51,280
Speaker 1: of those guys, and they're gonna replace him with quality,

1159
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 1: the JJ Watts of the world, who are like, let

1160
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:55,319
Speaker 1: me take way less than market value so I can

1161
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:57,319
Speaker 1: win a ring. I just maybe I'm wrong, but I

1162
00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 1: just I can see that coming. It'll be interesting. It

1163
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 1: definitely will be interesting. Okay. One of the real quick

1164
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 1: question I have for you guys on the defensive tackle

1165
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 1: position right now? Where would you rank defensive tackle among

1166
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 1: all the needs that you have on this team? Where

1167
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 1: do you rank this position? Let's start first with you Amber, Uh, shoot,

1168
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 1: you call me off guard with that one. Where would

1169
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:20,319
Speaker 1: you rank it? Let's let's say just on the defensive side.

1170
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:25,319
Speaker 1: Let's say defensive defensive tackle, offensive linebacker, cornerback, safety. That's

1171
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 1: five positions. Where would you rank it in that five?

1172
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 1: I hate to say this because it is an important position,

1173
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 1: but to me, it would be towards the end, towards

1174
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 1: the bottom. I've been complaining about safety since forever. We've

1175
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 1: talked years, years and years. Cornerback, What do you got there?

1176
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 1: Aside from Trevor Diggs? I mean, what you really need?

1177
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,240
Speaker 1: Help there for sure, and you need a guy that

1178
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 1: can jump right in and do the work that needs

1179
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 1: to be done. Linebacker is a whole mess. You don't

1180
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 1: know what's gonna happen. And I mean again, I know

1181
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:04,800
Speaker 1: we don't want to even touch Jalen Smith because we

1182
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 1: all know what that is. But if you look at

1183
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:10,879
Speaker 1: the other guy later vandersh what's going to happen with

1184
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 1: him and his injury? How at what level is he

1185
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 1: gonna be able to play once his back? Is he

1186
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 1: gonna get injured again? So too many question marks for

1187
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 1: me in those other areas of the field for me

1188
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 1: to list defensive tackle higher than any of of the

1189
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 1: rest of those positions, So for me would be at

1190
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:35,040
Speaker 1: the bottom. I think it's in the middle. Actually, I

1191
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 1: think I think it's the secondary needs safety and corner

1192
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 1: and then I would probably put from the standpoint of

1193
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 1: need because I just I don't trust the Gallimore and

1194
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 1: Tristan Hills that's all I've got right now. I think

1195
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 1: they're going to give up a lot on the run.

1196
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:53,479
Speaker 1: I need some I need a little bit more experience there.

1197
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 1: And then linebackers is hard to tell. I mean what,

1198
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's hard to know what they're gonna

1199
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 1: do with Jalen Smith and they're gonna play in and

1200
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 1: then with the health of Layton and with Sean Lee,

1201
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 1: and so I don't know, like maybe it's a big need.

1202
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 1: Maybe it's not a defensive end. We talked about it.

1203
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 1: It could be an upgrade, and it's a it's a

1204
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 1: it's a good position to upgrade. But as far as

1205
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 1: need go, I think I put it a third. Okay, Dave,

1206
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna rephrase it because every just everything on the

1207
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 1: defense is a need And I don't like the idea

1208
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 1: of saying, Google, that's not a need because bs like

1209
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 1: watch the games from last year, But in terms of

1210
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 1: like how comfortable I feel and how much work I

1211
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 1: feel like they have to do just in the interests

1212
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 1: of like playing games, I feel I just feel better

1213
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 1: about defensive tackle and defensive end because you have the

1214
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 1: bodies there to do it, Like you have Tristan Hill,

1215
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 1: probably Antoine Woods, Neville Gallimore, Tanks not going anywhere, Randy's here,

1216
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 1: so like it won't be the best defensive line in

1217
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 1: the league, but at least you have guys like they

1218
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 1: don't have a secondary right now, And I'm terrified of

1219
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 1: their line corps. Like my feelings on Jalen Smith are

1220
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 1: well known, and you can't deny Layton's injuries at this point,

1221
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 1: it's been two years in a row and very sneakily,

1222
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 1: like it sneaks up on you. But they've got to

1223
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 1: decide on his option this year, and if they don't

1224
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 1: pick it up, then he's in a contract year. So

1225
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 1: I put it as everything in the secondary and linebacker

1226
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 1: is paramount to me. And maybe you know you don't

1227
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 1: have to draft linebackers, you at least got to figure

1228
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 1: it out, like dan Quinn's got to be, Like I

1229
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:30,920
Speaker 1: can make Jalen work, pick up Layton's option. I mean,

1230
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 1: if they do those two things, then they're fine, but

1231
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 1: they might not, so that gives me a lot of pause.

1232
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 1: So I don't feel good about their defensive line, but

1233
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 1: I just think it is it's the closest thing to

1234
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:44,959
Speaker 1: being complete on a unit that needs a lot of work.

1235
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 1: That's a good lead in because next week we will

1236
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 1: talk actually the week after next, we will talk about linebackers.

1237
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 1: We will zero in on that position because that is

1238
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 1: a position that has all kinds of question marks for

1239
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 1: this team, and I don't know that anybody knows the

1240
00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:00,320
Speaker 1: answers to those right now. Next week we're gonna focusing

1241
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 1: on free agency because it's the last show before we

1242
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 1: will do before free agency begins, and so we're gonna

1243
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:06,200
Speaker 1: talk about all these free agent players at the Cowboys

1244
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 1: have they have to make a decision on. We'll do

1245
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 1: that next Wendy makes you join us for Nick even

1246
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 1: Dave Helman, Helman, Amber Garcia. I am Derek Eagleton. This

1247
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 1: has been The Break live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio.

1248
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