WEBVTT - Can Biden Drone Strike Trump? SCOTUS Immunity Decision Fully Explained

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome.

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<v Speaker 2>It is verdict with Senator Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with you, Senator.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a massive ruling from the Supreme Court on

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<v Speaker 2>trump immunity and there are a lot of questions now

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<v Speaker 2>that people have about this ruling.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, this was a major victory for President Trump in

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<v Speaker 3>the Supreme Court. It was a vote of six to three.

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<v Speaker 3>Chief Justice Roberts wrote the majority opinion and concluded that

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<v Speaker 3>Trump has very broad immunity for official acts. We'll break

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<v Speaker 3>down exactly what that means, but one of the things

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<v Speaker 3>it means is that Jack Smith's prosecution is in serious,

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<v Speaker 3>serious trouble and likely won't be able to proceed at all.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll explain it all.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And there's a lot of people that have so

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<v Speaker 2>many questions about presidential power now and what that means,

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<v Speaker 2>the extreme left going crazy on that. Will break it down.

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<v Speaker 1>Center.

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<v Speaker 2>I rarely say this. I don't even know where to

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<v Speaker 2>start with this ruling. So there's two aspects. There's one

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<v Speaker 2>the ruling itself, and I guess we should probably start there.

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<v Speaker 2>What does this mean? And then we'll get into the

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<v Speaker 2>politics of it afterwards. But the Supreme Court overwhelmingly said

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<v Speaker 2>that ex presidents have substantial protection from prosecution.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, that's right, and let me just explain a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit of the ruling. So the Supreme Court laid out

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<v Speaker 3>three categories of presidential action. It said, Number one, presidential

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<v Speaker 3>action that is within the president's exclusive constitutional authority. There

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<v Speaker 3>is absolute immunity. So what does that mean. That means

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<v Speaker 3>powers that the Constitution gives directly to the president. Things

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<v Speaker 3>like being the commander in chief of the armed forces,

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<v Speaker 3>things like granting a pardon, things like nominating a judge,

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<v Speaker 3>things like firing a cabinet member. All of those are

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<v Speaker 3>matters that are given to the exclusive authority of the

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<v Speaker 3>President of the United States and the second category of

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<v Speaker 3>the court laid out are presidential powers that are shared

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<v Speaker 3>with Congress, and in that instance, the court says the

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<v Speaker 3>president has immunity there also, but it did not decide

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<v Speaker 3>whether the immunity is absolute or presumptive, and presumptive beings.

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<v Speaker 3>You presume that there's immunity, but the prosecution could lay

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<v Speaker 3>out a strong enough case to overcome that immunity, and

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<v Speaker 3>it leaves that question open, so that's not decided. The

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<v Speaker 3>third category are unofficial actions and unofficial actions not exercising

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<v Speaker 3>the power of the presidency. Those have no immunity whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 1>And what the.

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<v Speaker 3>Court then did is remanded the case all the way

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<v Speaker 3>back to the trial court for the trial court to

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<v Speaker 3>figure out which of the actions that are alleged in

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<v Speaker 3>the indictment fall into which category.

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<v Speaker 2>That is, to break us down Layman's terms means they

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<v Speaker 2>they basically said, you guys didn't do it right. You

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<v Speaker 2>didn't even categorize it correctly. We're sending it back to

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<v Speaker 2>you do your paperwork the right way, in essence, and

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<v Speaker 2>then start all over.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, but but it's not quite as harsh as that.

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<v Speaker 3>This is something courts do all the time, and in particular,

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<v Speaker 3>look the court is laying out a new test here.

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<v Speaker 3>So anytime the court is laying out new rules, it

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<v Speaker 3>is commonplace to send the case back to the lower

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<v Speaker 3>court to apply those rules, to figure out what those

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<v Speaker 3>rules mean with respect to the specific case. And part

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<v Speaker 3>of the reason is the way our appellate system works

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<v Speaker 3>is courts of appeals review decisions and judgments made by

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<v Speaker 3>the lower courts, and so it is an exercise of

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<v Speaker 3>judicial restraint to say, let's let the lower court figure

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<v Speaker 3>this out first and then will review any arguments of

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<v Speaker 3>error on appeal.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is why the timeline is significant, right with

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<v Speaker 2>the election coming up.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, and so one almost certain outcome is there will

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<v Speaker 3>be no trial on Jack Smith's case on January sixth,

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<v Speaker 3>before election day? Did that there simply isn't time. It's

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<v Speaker 3>before the district judge. She's going to have to go through.

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<v Speaker 3>This is going to be very complicated legal analysis. Both

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<v Speaker 3>sides are going to present arguments as to what is

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<v Speaker 3>what is an exclusive official act which is absolutely immune,

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<v Speaker 3>What is an official act whether that is entitled to

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<v Speaker 3>presumptive immunity or absolute immunity, and what is not an

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<v Speaker 3>official act that is entitled to no immunity, and that

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<v Speaker 3>is going to be action by action, and it will

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<v Speaker 3>be I think Jack Smith is going to have a

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<v Speaker 3>very difficult time having any of us case survive.

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<v Speaker 2>When you look at Jack Smith and you mentioned any

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<v Speaker 2>of his case surviving, this case was clearly brought to

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<v Speaker 2>either put Trump in jail, tie him up in court,

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<v Speaker 2>interfere with the election. Could they even go forward with

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<v Speaker 2>this case if hypothetically Donald Trump does win the presidency

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<v Speaker 2>all over again, would that affect the case or basically

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<v Speaker 2>kill the case? And if he loses, what's the point

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<v Speaker 2>of moving forward because he's no longer in theory of

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<v Speaker 2>threats to the Democratic Party being the president? Is that

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<v Speaker 2>another reason just to say, all right, well, we did

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<v Speaker 2>what we need to do. We wanted to accuse him

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<v Speaker 2>of a bunch of things and throw jell ou at

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<v Speaker 2>a wall.

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<v Speaker 3>So theoretically the case could proceed in either instance. However,

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<v Speaker 3>if Trump loses, You're right, the urgency of the case

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<v Speaker 3>from the perspective of the Democrat partisans is reduced. If

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<v Speaker 3>Trump wins, this case is over and it doesn't have

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<v Speaker 3>to be over, by the way, But when Trump is

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<v Speaker 3>sworn in on January twentieth, twenty twenty five. The instant

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<v Speaker 3>he's sworn in, he has the authority to direct the

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<v Speaker 3>Department of Justice dismiss the case. The Attorney General works

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<v Speaker 3>for him, and I fully expect at twelve oh one

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<v Speaker 3>on January twentieth, new President Trump will instruct the Department

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<v Speaker 3>of Justice dismiss both of these prosecutions. They were political prosecutions.

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<v Speaker 3>They should not have been brought, and you are to

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<v Speaker 3>go to court as the prosecutor and say we're dismissing

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<v Speaker 3>our claims.

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<v Speaker 2>Bill Barr, who has been very critical of the president,

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<v Speaker 2>he even came out and said this former US Attorney

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<v Speaker 2>General obviously about the immunity decision.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to get your reaction to that.

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<v Speaker 4>Let me ask you first off about what this case

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<v Speaker 4>comes down to. The Donald Trump has absolute immunity from

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<v Speaker 4>criminal prosecution, but only for official acts. Is it going

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<v Speaker 4>to be up to a lower court than the determined

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<v Speaker 4>the difference.

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<v Speaker 5>That's right.

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<v Speaker 6>I think this was a very sensible decision that I

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<v Speaker 6>think most lawyers familiar with this area expected, which is

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<v Speaker 6>this went up to the court in a very abstract posture,

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<v Speaker 6>which was the government's very broad assertion there was no

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<v Speaker 6>immunity whatsoever, what the Court saying here is no, there's

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<v Speaker 6>absolute immunity when he's acting directly under the Constitution, carrying

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<v Speaker 6>out a function under the Constitution. There is presumptive immunity

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<v Speaker 6>when he performs an official act, and the government has

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<v Speaker 6>the burden of showing that it can prosecute him for

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<v Speaker 6>that without impairing the executive function. And finally, there's no

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<v Speaker 6>immunity for unofficial or private acts, I think. And the

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<v Speaker 6>practical effect of this is that the District Court is

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<v Speaker 6>going to do what it really should have done at

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<v Speaker 6>the beginning, which the government really should have had it due,

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<v Speaker 6>which is due the analysis. So the facts are going

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<v Speaker 6>up to the Supreme Court. So as a practical matter,

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<v Speaker 6>there's not going to be a trial of this case

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<v Speaker 6>before the election.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the ballgame, right, I mean, this is another massive

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<v Speaker 2>victory for Trump.

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<v Speaker 3>It is a massive victory for Trump, and now the

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<v Speaker 3>District Court is going to have to sort it out.

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<v Speaker 3>But let's talk a little bit about what those categories

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<v Speaker 3>mean and why the court drew that distinction. And let's

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<v Speaker 3>start with Category three. Private acts. There are all sorts

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<v Speaker 3>of things that are private accident for which there is

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<v Speaker 3>no immunity. If Joe Biden wandered outside the White House

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<v Speaker 3>and saw a man walking on the street and pulled

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<v Speaker 3>out a gun and shot him. That would have no

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<v Speaker 3>immunity because that's a private act. That's not exercising an authority,

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<v Speaker 3>a power of the president. That's just committing murder. If

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<v Speaker 3>a president sexually assaulted an inturn, say, that would have

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<v Speaker 3>no immunity because that's also not a presidential power. That's

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<v Speaker 3>not exercising presidential authority. That's committing a private wrong. If

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<v Speaker 3>a president committed, say, perjury or obstruction of justice. Let's say, hypothetically,

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<v Speaker 3>a president named William Jefferson Clinton, who was facing a

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<v Speaker 3>civil lawsuit went into the civil lawsuit.

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<v Speaker 1>And lied.

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<v Speaker 3>That lie under oath about his sexual activities. That is

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<v Speaker 3>in no way of shape or form an official act.

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<v Speaker 3>That is a private act. Under this decision, that president

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<v Speaker 3>could be prosecuted for perjury or obstruction of justice if

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<v Speaker 3>he goes and hides the dress with evidence of his

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<v Speaker 3>sexual activity and obstructs an investigation into it, that could

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<v Speaker 3>likewise be prosecuted. All of those are private acts.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no.

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<v Speaker 3>There's no presidential power being carried out there. The court's reasoning,

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<v Speaker 3>so that's category three. But there's very little, if anything

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<v Speaker 3>in jack Smith's indictment that arguably falls into that category.

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<v Speaker 3>This is not private misconduct. Category one, the category that

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<v Speaker 3>the Court says is absolutely immune. The Court focuses on

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<v Speaker 3>the text of the Constitution, and actually it draws it

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<v Speaker 3>draws this model from a landmark decision of the Court

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<v Speaker 3>called Youngstown Steel and Youngstown Steel dealt with when Harry

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<v Speaker 3>Truman seized steel mills and Justice Robert Jackson, one of

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<v Speaker 3>the greatest Supreme Court justices ever to serve on the Court,

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<v Speaker 3>described different levels of presidential power. And he described presidential

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<v Speaker 3>power when the president was acting in concert with Congress,

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<v Speaker 3>and congressional authority said, their presidential power is at its highest.

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<v Speaker 3>And then he said, a second category is when the

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<v Speaker 3>president is acting in an area where Congress has been silent,

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<v Speaker 3>their presidential power is at a middle level. And a

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<v Speaker 3>third category is what a president is acting directly contrary

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<v Speaker 3>to what Congress has said, and there he says presidential

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<v Speaker 3>power is at its lowest because you've got two branches

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<v Speaker 3>in conflict. That was a model the Court drew upon

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<v Speaker 3>here and what the Court concluded through its reasoning from

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<v Speaker 3>Article two of the Constitution, which vests quote, executive power

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<v Speaker 3>in a president of the United States of America, which

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<v Speaker 3>grants the president duties of quote unrivaled gravity and breadth.

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<v Speaker 3>And it reason that the president's authority to act if

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<v Speaker 3>it stems from either an Act of Congress or from

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<v Speaker 3>the Constitution itself, and when acting within the constitutional authority,

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<v Speaker 3>the president's actions are beyond the scope of congressional or

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<v Speaker 3>judicial review. And the Court further held that an Act

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<v Speaker 3>of Congress cannot criminalize the president's actions within his exclusive

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<v Speaker 3>constitutional power, and that courts cannot adjudicate a criminal prosecution

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<v Speaker 3>examining such actions. And so the reasoning there is, listen,

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<v Speaker 3>if the president is exercising a power that the source

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<v Speaker 3>of the power is the Constitution. Congress doesn't have the

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<v Speaker 3>power to step in and say we're going to take

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<v Speaker 3>away the power that the Constitution gave you, because the

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<v Speaker 3>Constitution is the supreme law of the land.

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<v Speaker 2>So I've got like fifteen different questions, and I want

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<v Speaker 2>to go through these because it's the question I think

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<v Speaker 2>everybody's asking. Democrats when this came out, the first thing

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<v Speaker 2>they started fantasizing over was, fine, well, we've just gotten

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<v Speaker 2>a dictator and a tyrant in the White House if

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<v Speaker 2>Trump gets back in and do whatever he wants to

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<v Speaker 2>and they say, well, then you know what, if he's

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<v Speaker 2>going to do it, then maybe we should do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's just send sealed seam to six is a official

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<v Speaker 2>act to go after and just take out Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>That was what they were talking about online. That would

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<v Speaker 2>not be covered under an official act. Correct, Well, it's

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<v Speaker 2>actually more complicated than that. And this is a hypothetical

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<v Speaker 2>that's been asked at several stages in the litigation. In

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<v Speaker 2>the Federal Court of Appeals. They asked that hypothetical to

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<v Speaker 2>Trump's lawyers at the Supreme Court. That example is used

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<v Speaker 2>by one of the descents in the Supreme Court. And look,

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<v Speaker 2>the reason it's complicated is because the presidency has vast authorities,

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<v Speaker 2>and one of those authorities is being commander in chief

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<v Speaker 2>of the armed forces. The president does have the power

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<v Speaker 2>to kill people and has always had the power to

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<v Speaker 2>kill people. And to be clear, every president who's ever

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<v Speaker 2>served has killed people. That is part of the power

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<v Speaker 2>commander in chief. Now you have responsibilities in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>how to do it. But I'll give an example. Barack

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<v Speaker 2>Obama order the drone killings of US citizens abroad who

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<v Speaker 2>were believed to be terrorists. He ordered the military said

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<v Speaker 2>a drone over there and blow that guy up. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>to be clear, Ben, if you or I did that,

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<v Speaker 2>we'd be prosecuted for murder. We don't have the ability

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<v Speaker 2>to order the drone killings of an American citizen. Barack

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<v Speaker 2>Obama was now charged with murder, and so part of

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<v Speaker 2>the reason why that hypothetical. Look, it sounds absurd, but

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<v Speaker 2>remember presidents are given massive authority, including literally the authority

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<v Speaker 2>to push a button and launch nuclear weapons that could

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<v Speaker 2>annihilate humanity.

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<v Speaker 1>It is terrified.

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<v Speaker 3>It's one of the reasons why Joe Biden being non

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<v Speaker 3>compassmentus but not being utterly unaware of what's around him

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<v Speaker 3>is so damn dangerous because he's the one person in

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<v Speaker 3>America that has the power to exterminate our species.

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<v Speaker 2>In the three that dissented in this ruling, one of

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<v Speaker 2>the examples, I want to go back to it because

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<v Speaker 2>the Justice Claim immunity ruling allowed Presence to poison staff

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<v Speaker 2>and again their example, I have Navy sealed team members

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<v Speaker 2>kill political rivals. The Chief Justice Roberts really pushed back hard,

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<v Speaker 2>saying that was nothing but fear mongering. So to be clear,

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<v Speaker 2>this does not give the present power to poison their staff, right.

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<v Speaker 1>It does not.

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<v Speaker 3>But all right, what are the checks that would stop

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<v Speaker 3>a president from ordering Seal Team six to kill a

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<v Speaker 3>political rival.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the most.

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<v Speaker 3>Important checks is Seal Team six could and should refuse

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<v Speaker 3>that order. That the military has an obligation. If there

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<v Speaker 3>is an order that is plainly unlawful, the military should

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<v Speaker 3>refuse to carry it out. And so if Joe Biden

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<v Speaker 3>told Seal Team six, go kill Donald Trump, which by

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<v Speaker 3>the way, lefties on Twitter are calling for every two minutes,

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<v Speaker 3>which shows you listen when you're a ttalitarian that wants

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<v Speaker 3>to hold power at any time. It is interesting how

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<v Speaker 3>revealing it is that they're immediately calling for murder.

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<v Speaker 1>That that says a lot. But the first check.

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<v Speaker 3>Would be that a blatantly unlawful order would be refused

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<v Speaker 3>to be carried out by the military. Secondly, if God forbid,

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<v Speaker 3>we had truly an abusive tyrant as president, and if

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<v Speaker 3>the military refused to carry it out, the next immediate

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<v Speaker 3>step would be impeachment. And it you would have to

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<v Speaker 3>assume if a president murdered his rival, that you would

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<v Speaker 3>see Congress and peach him immediately.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, even on MSNBC, they were having this conversation on

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<v Speaker 2>this scot of immunity ruling, and they said, in their words,

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<v Speaker 2>Trump could target like journalists could target.

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<v Speaker 1>Quote me, That's what Wallace said.

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<v Speaker 2>And then he said people, if he wins, will be

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<v Speaker 2>forced to flee the country.

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<v Speaker 7>Listen, frame court in Russia exists, but none of us

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<v Speaker 7>think that there's a rule of law there.

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<v Speaker 1>When you look at this hands, it just doesn't know it.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, exactly, Mark Elias. We should pull the curtain back

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<v Speaker 7>on what's actually happening, shouldn't we.

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<v Speaker 1>People are exploring.

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<v Speaker 7>Options to live in other countries if they think they

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<v Speaker 7>could be targeted for prosecution by Donald Trump, because targeting you,

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<v Speaker 7>or targeting me, or targeting Andrew would be an official

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<v Speaker 7>act based on today's decision.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I mean they could target for criminal prosecution, they

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<v Speaker 5>could target or administrative investigation, the IRS, the SEC, the EPA.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean they're not just talking about death, they're talking

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<v Speaker 2>about using the president saying I'm going to target everybody

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<v Speaker 2>I want to and use all of the things by

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<v Speaker 2>the way which Democrats have done. They've used the justice system,

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<v Speaker 2>they use the irs of the Tea Party, for example,

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<v Speaker 2>They've gone after people and raid their homes. Steve Bannon's

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<v Speaker 2>in jail right now. The list goes on and on

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<v Speaker 2>and on of all the things that they're doing actually

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<v Speaker 2>right now before this ruling that had nothing to do

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<v Speaker 2>with this ruling. Now they're like, well, we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>have to leave the country because he's just going to

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<v Speaker 2>target all of us.

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<v Speaker 3>So I got to say, what utter garbage the two

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<v Speaker 3>of them. Oh, they're going to target us, the going

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<v Speaker 3>to targets. That's what Joe Biden is doing right now,

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<v Speaker 3>Joe Biden. This Justice Department is the most lawless, partisan,

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<v Speaker 3>weaponized abuse system of justice ever seen. The absolute irony

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<v Speaker 3>of those people saying, oh, Trump's gonna do that. You

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<v Speaker 3>know what, when he was president before, he didn't do that.

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<v Speaker 3>It is you, you dishonest partisan hacks that are going after

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<v Speaker 3>that have the four indicement against Trump. As you noted,

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<v Speaker 3>Steve Bannon is in jail right now. They are, Peter

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<v Speaker 3>Navarro is in jail right now. You're going after pro

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<v Speaker 3>life protesters, you're attacking, you're refusing to go after people,

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<v Speaker 3>are firebombing pregnancy resource centers. The absolute hypocrisy. The people

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<v Speaker 3>who invented weaponization are now saying, well, we're scared we'll

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<v Speaker 3>be targeted. It's utter garbage. You know, I got to say,

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<v Speaker 3>you're and my friend Jesse Kelly, he tweeted it in

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<v Speaker 3>response to this. I think his tweet was very insightful.

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<v Speaker 3>He said, you know what you call it when Scotus

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<v Speaker 3>reveals the president has an community and the first thought

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<v Speaker 3>the communists have is about using the military to execute

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<v Speaker 3>political opponents. In poker, that's known as a tell. For instance,

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<v Speaker 3>if you told me that the president could do whatever

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<v Speaker 3>he wanted without restriction, my very first thought would be

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<v Speaker 3>about firing government employees and eliminating entire federal agencies. For communists,

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<v Speaker 3>their thoughts go directly to murder. Again a tell.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a great point, and it goes back to the

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<v Speaker 2>insanity of all of them. They do this, and then

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you look at the Supreme Court and again

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<v Speaker 2>I go back to listen to Norm Essen on CNN

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<v Speaker 2>immediately after this happens.

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<v Speaker 1>Listen to what he says, when.

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<v Speaker 8>The president does it, that means it is not illegal.

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<v Speaker 8>So in this context, with what the court has decided,

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<v Speaker 8>norm does this mean that Nixon basically would have been

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<v Speaker 8>able to do what he did completely legally without any recourse.

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<v Speaker 7>You could have had.

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<v Speaker 9>Substantial portions of Richard Nixon's wrongdoing that drove him from

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<v Speaker 9>office because it was conducted from the Oval office, using

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<v Speaker 9>his official advisors to engage in break ins. A wide

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<v Speaker 9>variety of other illegal activity would have been impossible to prosecute. Essentially,

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<v Speaker 9>what the Supreme Court majority, again including terribly conflicted justices

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<v Speaker 9>who have no business sitting on this case under any

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<v Speaker 9>standard of judicial ethics, what they've done, Sarah, is rewrite

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<v Speaker 9>American history. It goes all the way back to the

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<v Speaker 9>founding American idea. We overthrew King George the Third because

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<v Speaker 9>we did not want a ruler to have this kind

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<v Speaker 9>of absolute immunity, and the Supreme Court has now altered that.

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<v Speaker 9>And we have to be honest that we're facing a

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<v Speaker 9>major party political candidate who has said he wants to

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<v Speaker 9>be a dictator on day one, he wants to assert

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<v Speaker 9>autocratic powers. They've just given him a license for dictatorship

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<v Speaker 9>within the purview of official acts. That should be extremely alarming,

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<v Speaker 9>and it makes this momentous election really a referendum on

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<v Speaker 9>the future of American democracy.

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<v Speaker 2>A license for dictatorship, like, come on, CNN.

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<v Speaker 3>What utter garbage, and again that the Freudian projection is

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<v Speaker 3>so utterly rich. It is Joe Biden whose Department of

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<v Speaker 3>Justice is targeting its political enemies. It is Joe Biden

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<v Speaker 3>who is engaged in rampant censorship of the free speech

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<v Speaker 3>of American citizens. It is Joe Biden who issued a

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<v Speaker 3>blatantly illegal vaccine mandate that was thrown out by the courts,

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<v Speaker 3>but fired thousands and thousands of active duty service men

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<v Speaker 3>and women, fired FBI agents, fired Border patrol agents because

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<v Speaker 3>they refuse to comply with his illegal vaccine mandate. And

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<v Speaker 3>to be clear, the court struck down his vaccine mandate,

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<v Speaker 3>but he had already gotten rid of the people he

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<v Speaker 3>wanted to get rid of. It is Joe Biden who

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<v Speaker 3>repeatedly issues lawless orders trying to give away a trillion

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<v Speaker 3>dollars in student loans that he has no legal authority

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<v Speaker 3>to do. He knows they'll get struck down in court,

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<v Speaker 3>but he's trying to buy votes. That is utterly lawless.

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<v Speaker 3>It is Joe Biden who, on the border is ignoring

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<v Speaker 3>the entirety of federal immigration law and is released, has

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<v Speaker 3>allowed eleven million people to come into this country illegally.

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<v Speaker 3>Who is ignoring the Americans who are being murdered, who

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<v Speaker 3>are being raped by the criminals he's releasing. And yet

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<v Speaker 3>you have these numbskulls go on CNN and say, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 3>this means Trump can be a dictator. Trump didn't do

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<v Speaker 3>any of that. Everything I just listed Trump actually followed

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<v Speaker 3>the law, He exercised his power. He implemented policies that

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<v Speaker 3>proved very beneficial for the American people. It is the Democrats.

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<v Speaker 3>And look, look when Alexandro Majorcas was impeached for utterly

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<v Speaker 3>defying the law, for refusing to follow immigration law, every

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<v Speaker 3>single Democrat in the Senate, all of them voted to

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<v Speaker 3>throw out the case and to hear no evidence. So

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<v Speaker 3>they don't care about the rule of law. They care

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<v Speaker 3>about power. The reason they're angry and hyperventilating is because

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<v Speaker 3>this case is an effort to weaponize the justice system

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<v Speaker 3>to stop the voters from voting to elect Donald Trump,

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<v Speaker 3>and this ruling they view as getting in the way

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<v Speaker 3>of what they want to do, which is weaponized the

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<v Speaker 3>justice system to subvert democracy. The irony is, he says,

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<v Speaker 3>this is a blow to democracy. What they're doing is

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<v Speaker 3>an attack on democracy, and they're frustrated that their attack

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<v Speaker 3>on democracy is not working.

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<v Speaker 2>This June marked two years since the overturn of Roe v. Wade,

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<v Speaker 2>and you may not realize that the number of abortions

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<v Speaker 2>actually increase the following year. In twenty twenty three, the

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<v Speaker 2>amount of abortions reach its highest level since twenty twelve,

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<v Speaker 2>with the abortion pill accounting for up to sixty three

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<v Speaker 2>percent of all abortions.

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<v Speaker 2>question for you now is the politics of this. You

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<v Speaker 2>got Twitter going crazy in the left saying, all right,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll just take out Donald Trump, which is I thought

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<v Speaker 2>against law, but apparently not. You've got the media saying, well,

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<v Speaker 2>this means that Donald Trump, if he gets elected, is

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<v Speaker 2>going to be a dictator and a tyrant and he

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<v Speaker 2>can just lock everybody up, so people are going to

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<v Speaker 2>have to flee the country. And now, in a weird way,

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<v Speaker 2>this kind of gets the Democrats out of out of

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<v Speaker 2>jail free card. With the court cases which I believe

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<v Speaker 2>have been backfiring on them, They've only been helping every

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<v Speaker 2>time they go after Trump legally, it seems to help

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>Is this in a weird way of blessing in disguise.

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<v Speaker 2>Politically, for the Democrats, they can kind of just put

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<v Speaker 2>pause and Jack Smith can go away and Alvin Bragg

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<v Speaker 2>can kind of go away for a little bit, and

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<v Speaker 2>we just kind of have a normal election.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, you know, I think you may be overthinking it.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think they're capable of thinking strategically or rationally

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<v Speaker 3>on this. They just hate him. They want to attack

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<v Speaker 3>him on every front. It is always about Orange Man bad,

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<v Speaker 3>it is always about Trump is the devil. And so

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<v Speaker 3>they're just gonna have You're gonna see cries of frustration.

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<v Speaker 3>You're gonna see tears on MSNBC. Trump winning terrifies them. Look,

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<v Speaker 3>these cases, the jack Smith case is not gonna proceed

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<v Speaker 3>before the election. It's gonna take significant time to brief

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<v Speaker 3>out and decide the immunity questions that now sent to

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<v Speaker 3>the Lower Court. And it's not clear that any of

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<v Speaker 3>the jack Smith case survives once you go through the

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<v Speaker 3>analysis of what constituted an official action, either an exclusively

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<v Speaker 3>official action or an official action with with shared authority

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<v Speaker 3>with Congress, very little, if any, of the jack Smith

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<v Speaker 3>indictment will survive that analysis. But and and actually, Alvin Bragg,

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<v Speaker 3>it's it's interesting. You know, we were supposed to have

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<v Speaker 3>the judicial sentencing of Trump two days before the Republican Convention.

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<v Speaker 3>That now is going to be delayed. And the reason

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<v Speaker 3>it's going to be delayed is as soon as this

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<v Speaker 3>decision came down, Trump's legal team asked to brief the

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<v Speaker 3>judge there as to why those convictions should be thrown

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<v Speaker 3>out under the reasoning in in this Supreme Court decision,

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<v Speaker 3>and and and the court said yes, that that that

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<v Speaker 3>the court will consider legal arguments on that question, and

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<v Speaker 3>that meant that the sentencing had to be delayed. And

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<v Speaker 3>Alvin Bragg agreed to delay the sentencing. Now, I got

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<v Speaker 3>to say he pretty much had to. With this decision

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<v Speaker 3>coming down, it is obvious that the court at least

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<v Speaker 3>needs to consider what is the relevance of this decision

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<v Speaker 3>to the convictions against Donald Trump. Now, the court said

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<v Speaker 3>when it was scheduling arguments that it thought that the

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<v Speaker 3>arguments were baseless. So I'm going to predict right now

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<v Speaker 3>the New York judge is going to say, no, this

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<v Speaker 3>that decision doesn't change anything. And it is true that

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<v Speaker 3>the conducted question occurred before Trump was president and so

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<v Speaker 3>it is in no way, shape or form an exercise

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<v Speaker 3>of presidential authority. And so there are lots of reasons

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<v Speaker 3>why the decision from the New York Trial Court is

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<v Speaker 3>an absolute abomination and an abuse of power, and why

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<v Speaker 3>it will be reversed on appeal. But it may well

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<v Speaker 3>be that that it's not going to be because of

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<v Speaker 3>this decision, because this decision concerns the the exercise of

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<v Speaker 3>presidential powers, and Trump was not president when the conducted

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<v Speaker 3>question occurred.

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