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Speaker 2: hopefull if you guys are having a great week. Got

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Speaker 2: a jampackshow for you guys todaight. We decided to pivot

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Speaker 2: Game seven in Denver on Sunday, they are up by

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Speaker 2: we're going to take a deeper dive into this particular series,

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Speaker 2: talk about what we saw tonight, talk about what we

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Speaker 3: All right, let's talk some basketball.

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Speaker 2: So what's up, guys, Thanks for taking the time to

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Speaker 2: come on short notice and hang out talk some hoops

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Speaker 2: this game.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's really hard to learn much.

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Speaker 2: About a game where a team goes up by fifty

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Speaker 2: points after they got out classed three times in a

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Speaker 2: row right before that, right I said the same thing

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Speaker 2: the Pacers tied in game four, Like when you play

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Speaker 2: it's very clear that effort and energy and focus is

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Speaker 2: to you guys, to you first, Carson, and we're gonna

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Speaker 2: before we start. Minnesota's defense tonight, another incredible performance. According

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Speaker 2: to Cleaning the Glass, held the Nuggets to sixty five

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Speaker 3: It was a complete and total destruction.

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Speaker 4: What did you notice tonight, Carson, Well, I think you

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Speaker 5: But pretty clearly thereafter once you see the twenty zhering run,

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Speaker 5: there was a reversal. To me, it immediately felt more

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Speaker 5: at a few points, which we've seen Denver has found

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Speaker 5: I thought last game's game plan was just shockingly bad

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Speaker 6: He was like, Okay, I'm not gonna let Rudy Rome.

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Speaker 5: But like he was just allowed to really toast them

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Speaker 5: Their rotations were so excellent in that game. They were

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Speaker 6: And that's what happened in this game.

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Speaker 5: Again, it felt like the Uggets completely lost their sense

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Speaker 5: early shot clock Jolkic threes, with how he's been shooting

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Speaker 5: like for them to work to get a better shot

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Speaker 5: off of these Jokic doubles. Oftentimes they're just taking like

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Speaker 5: off their rhythm, they also just couldn't make a shot,

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Speaker 5: Like even when they got a good open look from deep,

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Speaker 6: They were four of.

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Speaker 5: Twenty one from three in the first half, I believe,

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Speaker 5: and Rudy also did an incredible job protecting the rim

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Speaker 5: tough misses in the paint where Jamal is just way

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Speaker 7: Like.

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Speaker 5: His presence was monstrous in this game, and he really

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Speaker 5: that is obviously a massive factor. And Jamal was brutal

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Speaker 5: one of ten in the first half. Really disappointing effort.

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Speaker 5: I thought that Ant did a great job on him.

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Speaker 5: I thought, again, this was a very physical performance and

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Speaker 5: that threw him off his rhythm. He was also just

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Speaker 5: point forward it was like awful rotations. You get a

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Speaker 5: can just get smacked in the mouth. And that very

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Speaker 7: Yeah, they did get smacked in the mouth. I do

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Speaker 7: want to give a ton of credit to Minnesota. Man,

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Speaker 7: it was a defensive masterclass in this one, and I

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Speaker 1: Hit on it, Carson.

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Speaker 7: It's not really the consistency of this defense and how

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Speaker 7: that they can have games like this. Like everybody wanted

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Speaker 7: to make big declarations about this series at every step

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Speaker 7: of the lay, myself included. Wanted to write Denver off

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Speaker 7: after the first two games, wanted to write Minnesota off

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Speaker 7: after the last three games. But the bottom line is

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Speaker 7: testament to their defense at a game like this is possible,

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Speaker 7: let alone that we get three in a single series.

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Speaker 7: Like I think the big key is doubling nikoley Jokic,

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Speaker 7: You mentioned how they dominated the glass. Two eleven first

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Speaker 7: half offensive rebounds. Guys, that's the most in the first

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Speaker 7: half in the playoffs since two thousand and four. They

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Speaker 7: also grabbed sixty one boards overall, that's the most in

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Speaker 7: a game since the twenty twenty two Warriors. And they

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Speaker 7: just forced the Nuggets to settle for so many jump shots.

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Speaker 7: The Nuggets in the regular season were thirtieth and three

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Speaker 7: pointers attempt under just under thirty two threes a game.

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Speaker 7: They attempted twenty one in the first half. That's on

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Speaker 7: the Boston Celtics pace for a single game. You guys

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Speaker 7: not a great stat.

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Speaker 1: You just got to get downhill.

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Speaker 7: They finished this one seven to thirty six overall and

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Speaker 7: they beat him in the paint forty six to thirty six,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the talk after this game is going to be

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Speaker 2: that we all think is the best, right, And what's

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Speaker 2: We know that they're capable of scoring against them, they

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Speaker 2: my you two and myself. We've discussed that specific set

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Speaker 2: it doesn't really matter what their other flaws are. It's

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Speaker 2: I still think that Denver is capable of executing and

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: The damage they did was the damage they did in

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Speaker 7: Confiden's an interesting word. I wouldn't say confident. I'm hopeful.

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Speaker 7: There's just still other things that need to swing back

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Speaker 7: Like the thing with Jamal too, is he's a rhythm guy, right,

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 7: You get that first one to go through to nylon

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Speaker 7: And I felt like you could see the confidence kind

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Speaker 7: It's like what you said, Jason's got a great defense

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Speaker 7: receiving this is game one. In game two, thirteen points

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Speaker 7: In round one, he was probably Denver's second best player

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Speaker 7: he's twelve points on.

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Speaker 7: And a big thing here with Denver is the fact

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Speaker 7: Is he gonna do something? And this one they shoot

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Speaker 7: they don't really have margins offensively if MPJ and Jamal

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Speaker 7: Like you know, maybe the boring take. Denver's got to

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 7: If they can't, it's wrapped like Minnesota's gonna steamroll them

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Speaker 7: once more. And Jokic can make all the right reads, man,

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Speaker 7: he can make all the right passes. If they're diverting,

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Speaker 1: They're not gonna win.

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Speaker 7: So it may be a boring answer, but like the

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Speaker 7: They got to alleviate some of this pressure off of Jokic,

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Speaker 7: because once they do, and you gotta stop doubling Yokic

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Speaker 5: In Game seven, absolutely, those guys have to be way better.

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Speaker 5: I thought just the decision making tonight again, he was

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00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:15,720
Speaker 5: just chaotic in the first half of this game, and

438
00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:17,320
Speaker 5: I thought that that was costly.

439
00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,520
Speaker 6: Where he has been so good. But I do expect

440
00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:20,119
Speaker 6: Denver to win.

441
00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:22,199
Speaker 5: And a big reason is that so much of what

442
00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:26,359
Speaker 5: we've talked about has been an issue of focus and

443
00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:31,040
Speaker 5: of effort and of consistency, which really has been the

444
00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:33,320
Speaker 5: polar opposite of the done of the Denver team that

445
00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:35,639
Speaker 5: we saw last year. Like that's what's so stunning to me,

446
00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,960
Speaker 5: is where they really separated from the pack last year

447
00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:42,680
Speaker 5: was just the consistency of their offensive process, taking care

448
00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:46,040
Speaker 5: of the basketball, always engaged defensively. They didn't have like

449
00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,920
Speaker 5: a bad game in all of last postseason. They didn't

450
00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:51,840
Speaker 5: lose a game by double digits, whereas this year we've

451
00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:55,119
Speaker 5: seen obviously all the slow starts and all the carelessness

452
00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,040
Speaker 5: against the Lakers, and they pulled through because they're just

453
00:20:57,080 --> 00:21:00,040
Speaker 5: that much better. But then you have this series, the

454
00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,040
Speaker 5: bludgeoning that they take in Game two, which I thought

455
00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:05,280
Speaker 5: was more about like an all time effort by Minnesota's defense,

456
00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:07,160
Speaker 5: but of course, like they got sped up and thrown

457
00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,399
Speaker 5: off their rhythm and they weren't ready for that battle

458
00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:10,080
Speaker 5: in this game.

459
00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:12,040
Speaker 6: They just don't have the focus.

460
00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:14,960
Speaker 5: They went Jason from as you say, like three games

461
00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,639
Speaker 5: of offensive perfection, posting an offensive rating of one to

462
00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:21,280
Speaker 5: twenty seven against this defense. Jokics played two back to

463
00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:24,240
Speaker 5: back masterpieces, and they were hitting forty five percent of

464
00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:24,720
Speaker 5: their threes.

465
00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:26,200
Speaker 6: Just everything was clicking.

466
00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:28,879
Speaker 5: They figured out the ball pressure, they were playing so

467
00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:33,040
Speaker 5: more methodically, making such great collective decisions. And then they're

468
00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:36,280
Speaker 5: the first team tonight to score seventy points or fewer

469
00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:39,560
Speaker 5: in a playoff game in eight years. So that's just

470
00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:43,480
Speaker 5: completely bipolar. But to me, locked in Denver is still

471
00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:45,120
Speaker 5: the best team in the league, and that's what they

472
00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:48,280
Speaker 5: showed over these last three games. But as you say,

473
00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:50,840
Speaker 5: like they leave themselves open now to the variance of

474
00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:54,240
Speaker 5: one game against a really good basketball team that kicked

475
00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:56,800
Speaker 5: their asses legitimately in the first two games of this series,

476
00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,040
Speaker 5: and obviously again tonight. But again that was just sort

477
00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:01,240
Speaker 5: of like you just throw your hands up and it's like,

478
00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:04,240
Speaker 5: all right, that was never gonna happen. They obviously have

479
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,560
Speaker 5: to be focused from the jump, but I fully expect

480
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,600
Speaker 5: them to be. That is why I think doubling Yokic

481
00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,760
Speaker 5: makes sense. Though, it's just the inconsistency of the supporting cast,

482
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,400
Speaker 5: and that's the trend that we've seen. The Lakers found

483
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,160
Speaker 5: their most success doubling against Yokich. The Timberwolves had by

484
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,720
Speaker 5: far their best defensive game doubling him aggressively.

485
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:24,159
Speaker 6: It's not a question of him making the right reads.

486
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,520
Speaker 5: Like we consistently see he can make those skip passes

487
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,040
Speaker 5: if you really pressure him with length, like sometimes they'll

488
00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:31,359
Speaker 5: come out a little bit high, but generally he's gonna

489
00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,440
Speaker 5: make the right read. It's just a question of, all right,

490
00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:35,920
Speaker 5: can we contest them, can we rotate well, can we

491
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,040
Speaker 5: run them off the line? Can we force anybody else

492
00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:41,080
Speaker 5: to make decisions and make shots? Michael Porter Junior over

493
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:44,480
Speaker 5: his last three games six points per game on thirty

494
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:45,680
Speaker 5: eight percent true shooting.

495
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:48,359
Speaker 6: This is one of the greatest pure jump.

496
00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:52,000
Speaker 5: Shooters in NBA history, I legitimately believe, and he can't

497
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,040
Speaker 5: make anything right now. The shots that he's taking are

498
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,400
Speaker 5: out of rhythm, they're forced even for him. I give

499
00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:58,840
Speaker 5: him leeway because he's such a crazy, contested shot maker,

500
00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,600
Speaker 5: but these are not good shots that he's taking, and

501
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 5: Jamal absolutely has to be better. So I do expect

502
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 5: them to heavily double Jokic, but I also agree it's

503
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,399
Speaker 5: not like they figured things out, being like, hey, we

504
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:13,920
Speaker 5: can double Jokic if the Nuggets jump shooters are hitting well,

505
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 5: then that's still a really really bad answer. But this year,

506
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 5: when you leave yokicen single coverage on a post up,

507
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:23,199
Speaker 5: he's averaged one point twenty five points. When you double,

508
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 5: the Nuggets average point nine to four points. So a

509
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 5: lot of that is just the shot making of the teammates.

510
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 5: But like there is a pretty clear answer, there's no

511
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:34,359
Speaker 5: good answer to Nicole Jolkic and specifically his post up offense.

512
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:36,720
Speaker 5: But the worst answer to me is clearly just letting

513
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 5: him work in single coverage like they did in Game five.

514
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 5: I do think that the bench minutes are certainly crucial

515
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,560
Speaker 5: for Denver. They have outperformed there, but this was a

516
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,959
Speaker 5: really night rough. This was a really rough performance tonight,

517
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 5: and the Timberwolves were absolutely just better in this game,

518
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 5: not just defensively, their offensive process was way better.

519
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:00,400
Speaker 6: Having Mike Conley back on the floor.

520
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 5: You just had more shot making, You had more good

521
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 5: decision making out there. That ball was moving, you saw

522
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 5: it from the jump. Kat was being proactive as a playmaker.

523
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,640
Speaker 5: Jane McDaniels was outstanding, and he has been pretty rough

524
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,120
Speaker 5: offensively this series. He was two of twelve from deep

525
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,639
Speaker 5: coming in to tonight, and he was hitting his open threes,

526
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,119
Speaker 5: but he was also attacking closeouts. He was aggressive as

527
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 5: a driver. So this Timberwolves offense has had some low lows,

528
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,119
Speaker 5: but tonight was a pretty high high. All of that

529
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 5: to say, yes, this was a night that was all

530
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 5: Minnesota and it was no Denver. But when it comes

531
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,639
Speaker 5: down to it, all the money on the line, I

532
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 5: do think Denver can focus up. I do think they

533
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,120
Speaker 5: can dial in their offensive process. They have the best

534
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,440
Speaker 5: player on the floor. And even if Jamal and MPJ

535
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,920
Speaker 5: aren't shooting well right now, like those are really really

536
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 5: good shooters of the basketball. This is an incredible offense.

537
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 5: I believe one of the three best offenses we've seen

538
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 5: this century, and I would bet that to win out

539
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 5: on their home floor.

540
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm picking Denver as well. I want to look

541
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 2: at this from both perspectiveives. The Denver win on Sunday

542
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,359
Speaker 2: would look more or less I think like what Game

543
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,639
Speaker 2: three looked like in the sense that I do believe

544
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,159
Speaker 2: that Minnesota will go back to doubling a lot, and

545
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 2: I think that Denver will counter that by going back

546
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,679
Speaker 2: to a more steady diet of pick and roll and

547
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,160
Speaker 2: using Yokic more as a screen and roll guy than

548
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 2: as a post guy, just to try to kind of

549
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,239
Speaker 2: maintain some of that rhythm and flow. And again, we

550
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 2: know what Denver is going to do to try to

551
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 2: mitigate some of the ball pressure stuff. They're going to

552
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,680
Speaker 2: have Jokic and Gordon bring the ball up the floor more.

553
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 2: Jokic is going to be setting monster screens from the

554
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,160
Speaker 2: opening tip of this game to really try to free

555
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 2: up Jamal and help them get kind of free right

556
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,199
Speaker 2: from there. It's just about them kind of maintaining that

557
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 2: methodical approach and then continuing the defensive game plan. Because

558
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:47,120
Speaker 2: one of the things we haven't talked a lot about

559
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,920
Speaker 2: tonight is Denver I thought had a really bad defensive game,

560
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,119
Speaker 2: and the dead giveaway was like a lot of the same,

561
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 2: you know, kind of extra attention they throw it through

562
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 2: at Anthony Edwards wasn't there from Game five. A big

563
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 2: part of that is I thought they allowed Minnesota operate

564
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 2: a lot in semi transition, and a big part of

565
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,439
Speaker 2: that is just not ever scoring and constantly being in

566
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,160
Speaker 2: transition cross matches and where you know, when you let

567
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 2: Ant really kind of gallop up the floor with a

568
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,920
Speaker 2: head of steam into like that semi transition, it's just

569
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 2: really difficult to kind of corral him and make him

570
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,400
Speaker 2: play passive basketball. And then I also want to credit Ant.

571
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 2: I thought he had a really good playmaking game, even

572
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 2: above and beyond just assist totals, just like getting the

573
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 2: defense in rotation and making easy reads, which by the way,

574
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:31,680
Speaker 2: is contagious and it kind of sets everything else upright,

575
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:33,120
Speaker 2: So we know what a Denver win.

576
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 3: Would look like.

577
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 2: I think it would look a lot like Game three

578
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 2: for Denver going into Game seven. Minnesota I do think

579
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:44,119
Speaker 2: has a legitimate path here though, and I think it

580
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,879
Speaker 2: kind of comes down to a couple of key things.

581
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 2: First of all, you have to throw a hallacious defensive

582
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,640
Speaker 2: punch from the opening tip, like we talked about earlier,

583
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 2: you can shake Denver's foundation, and when you do, they

584
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 2: kind of let go of the rope mentally and they

585
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 2: can kind of fall apart. Right, So, like you got

586
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 2: to throw that sledgehammer at that at that foundation at

587
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 2: the opening tip, and see if you can crack it

588
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 2: a little bit. Right, That's a big piece of it.

589
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 2: Just a lot of defensive intensity, which by the way,

590
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 2: in Game three they very much did not bring. And

591
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 2: that was a big part of what Anthony Everards talked

592
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 2: about after the game.

593
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:15,920
Speaker 3: Right.

594
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 2: Secondly, Anthony Edwards, in my opinion, is probably a top

595
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 2: five player in the world and is flat out unguardable

596
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 2: in the majority of situations. And so what if he

597
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 2: just goes in and has a red hot pull up

598
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 2: jump shooting game. You know, that's a factor that has

599
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 2: to be kind of weighed in here. You mentioned Jada McDaniels.

600
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 2: He got kind of going in a big way offensively tonight.

601
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 2: Some of this stuff like Kat and nas Reed posting up.

602
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 2: A big part of that I thought was Denver didn't

603
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 2: really bring the physicality. I think they've demonstrated that they

604
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,679
Speaker 2: can flat out, flat flatten out Cat's post ups and

605
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:51,400
Speaker 2: turn him into more of an over the top shot

606
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 2: maker and kind of limit his effectiveness. I do agree

607
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,360
Speaker 2: that Mike Conley just in a lot of ways. It's

608
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,199
Speaker 2: just kind of like blue guy is kind of like

609
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 2: a cliche that we use in basketball, but he just

610
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 2: kind of makes everything come together, especially with this decision

611
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 2: making of that group.

612
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 3: Right.

613
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:11,239
Speaker 2: So, like again, I'm picking Denver, but Minnesota absolutely has

614
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 2: a chance to win this game. There's a pathway for

615
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 2: them there. I wouldn't even say they have a chance.

616
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:17,640
Speaker 2: There is a version of this game that they will

617
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,719
Speaker 2: win if things go a certain way. They have they

618
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,439
Speaker 2: have that type of firepower. And so this, to me,

619
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 2: I would put it roughly, we'll go we'll go around quickly.

620
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 2: I'm gonna put it at at about like sixty five

621
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 2: thirty five in favor of Denver.

622
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 3: What do you think, Carson?

623
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 5: That is exactly what I was gonna say, And I

624
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 5: agree with everything that you laid out. But I do

625
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 5: expect Denver to be much more prepared for the physicality

626
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 5: of this game, to be prepared for that sort of

627
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 5: relacious defensive effort like if you're not in game seven,

628
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 5: and if you are, as you say, just giving the

629
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 5: sort of lazy defensive effort that we saw tonight. I

630
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 5: thought some of the rotations were really poor. That's not

631
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 5: gonna happen in a game seven. So yeah, I think

632
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 5: sixty five to thirty five is a good spot.

633
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the exact same number.

634
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 7: I'd say, way, yeah, No, that's so weird.

635
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 1: That's so weird. I was going to go seventy thirty.

636
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 3: But that's for you guys, are coward good number.

637
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 6: No.

638
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 3: I wanted to see Carson.

639
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 2: I wanted Carson to come out with like the ninety

640
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 2: seven to three, like I wanted Carson just to just

641
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 2: lean into his Jokic standum with the full fource.

642
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 6: Minnesota is great.

643
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 2: I think he's yeah, there teams, so okay. On that note,

644
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 2: let's move around to the other two series real quick.

645
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 2: We'll just spend at about ten minutes on each of them.

646
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 2: So I want to start with uh, let's start with

647
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 2: New York Indiana Game four and five. Kind of similar

648
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 2: to what we talked about tonight. Not really a whole

649
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 2: lot for you to learn about, in the sense that

650
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 2: you know, we have this bizarre Game four where the

651
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 2: Knicks just let go the rope basically for the first

652
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 2: time all postseason. It seems like every other time they've

653
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 2: been up against it and they find themselves in a

654
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 2: ten twelve point deficit, they would just somehow nix their

655
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 2: way back into the game.

656
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 3: You know, and they let go the rope.

657
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 2: Right then we go back to Game five in Indie

658
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 2: or Game five back in in MSG, and it kind

659
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 2: of it was like a little bit of like Game

660
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 2: one where Tyre's Halliburton's weirdly super passive, but at the

661
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 2: same time, the Knicks just bring this hillacious, desperate effort

662
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 2: and they pull out to win. Rick Carlisle super pissed

663
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 2: off after the game about their effort level. It will

664
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 2: start with you, Logan, how are you guys feeling about

665
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 2: Game six back in Indiana tomorrow night.

666
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 7: You have to be po at Indiana's effort level. Man,

667
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 7: that's the biggest thing. I was, Oh, Jason, I don't

668
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 7: know if you saw, man. I was all in on

669
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 7: the Pacers. I said, they're gonna mop the Knicks last

670
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 7: two games and next a retired, they're depleted. They're gonna

671
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:40,959
Speaker 7: run these boys.

672
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 1: And I bet on.

673
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 7: The girl that doesn't play defense, and I bet against

674
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 7: the team that plays really hard most nights, and I

675
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 7: feel quite foolish for it. Like New York just has

676
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 7: bankable things that are consistently going to show up night

677
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 7: tonight in the way that the Pacers don't. The first

678
00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 7: bedrock of this team is Jaylen Brunson, and the Indiana

679
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 7: Pacers have no idea how to contain or how to

680
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 7: defend him. Last game Game five, forty four points, seven

681
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 7: assists on fifty eight percent true shooting. These numbers were

682
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 7: midway through game five, so they're probably there's a few

683
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 7: more shot attempts on them for sure, so they're not

684
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 7: fully right. This is about in the third quarter. Brunson

685
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 7: was fourteen to twenty one on them hard in the series,

686
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 7: eleven to twenty eight on Nie Smith, and three of

687
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 7: eleven versus McConnell. So I think a big thing for

688
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 7: the Pacers is you just got to match the Smith's minutes.

689
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 7: You have to have him on Brunton as.

690
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: Much as possible. He just gives you.

691
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 7: The best route to maybe winning against him. I don't

692
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 7: think it's gonna work. Like I think Brunson has been

693
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 7: dissecting doubles. He's been getting everything that he wants and

694
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 7: so again, again that's just something that you can bank

695
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 7: on with New York. Jalen Brunston's gonna show up. The

696
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 7: other thing that you can bank on is just how

697
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 7: New York has crushed the glass and the effort.

698
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 3: Man.

699
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: You mentioned it, Jason.

700
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 7: They're plus thirty two in total boards in this series,

701
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 7: they're plus eighteen in offensive boards, and in Game five

702
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 7: they they win fifty three to twenty nine. Overall, they

703
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 7: win twenty to five on the offensive glass, and they

704
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 7: dominate second chance points twenty six to nine.

705
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: Like, that's the scary thing about Indiana.

706
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 7: Man, is it feels like, sure New York does not

707
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 7: have many quality basketball players. They are playing their like

708
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 7: eighth to ninth men as starters. It's ridiculous how many

709
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 7: bodies and how many guys they're out. But I expect

710
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 7: this team to play hard, really hard. I expect the

711
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 7: role players to do their jobs to a great level.

712
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 7: I expect Jalen Brunson to put the team on his back.

713
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 7: And the Pacers scare me, like, are the Pacers gonna

714
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 7: play defense? Is Tyre's Halliburton gonna shoot more than ten shots.

715
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,719
Speaker 7: That's the biggest question mark to me too, dude, as

716
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 7: a superstar player. The Pacers were scoreless for six minutes

717
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 7: in the third quarter of Game five, and it's like,

718
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 7: where is Halliburton?

719
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: Where what are we doing? You gotta take a shot.

720
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 7: So Indiana just scares me to bet on after I

721
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 7: put all my chips in on them. Man, are they

722
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 7: gonna play defense? Are they gonna give me effort? Is

723
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 7: Halliburton gonna shoot enough shots? And the other guy that

724
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 7: I point the f his Pascal Siakam. I've just been

725
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 7: consistently disappointed at him not succeeding in attacking mismatches, and like,

726
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 7: this is a small Knicks team that are routinely trotting

727
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 7: out four guards in Hartenstein. That's a scenario that Siakam's

728
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 7: just got to dominate. So when I look at these

729
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 7: two teams, I just think New York has more bankable

730
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 7: and consistent things that they're gonna do on a nightly basis.

731
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 1: I think the Pacers can get hot.

732
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 7: I expect them to match that effort and energy, but

733
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 7: they burn me man, And I'm scared about betting on

734
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 7: Indiana again. They just have way more red flags than

735
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 7: me than New York. New York maybe lacking quality basketball players,

736
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 7: but I know Brunson and the boys are gonna bring

737
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 7: it hard.

738
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 5: Pivot from Logan from where he was at after Day.

739
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 5: I expect Indiana to win Game six. I would take

740
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 5: the Knicks to win this series in seven. I don't

741
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 5: necessarily disagree with a ton that you said, Logan, like.

742
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 5: The reason that I ultimately have a little bit more

743
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 5: faith in a Knicks team that is so shorthanded is

744
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 5: because Brunson has much more consistently played up to the

745
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 5: superstar or friend, superstar, top fifteen guy, whatever you want

746
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 5: to call him, level that he has earned recognition for,

747
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 5: whereas Hallie, although he had an amazing stretch in games

748
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 5: three and four of this series, has been much less

749
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:22,359
Speaker 5: consistent with the aggression. And so I absolutely would bet

750
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 5: on them having the best player on the floor in

751
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 5: the biggest game. I would bet on them winning the

752
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 5: effort category. And then I think they've gotten enough in

753
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 5: terms of spot up shooting. I still think there are

754
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 5: some really good connective playmakers there, guys who make really

755
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 5: instinctual plays. Defensively, they still have more of a defensive

756
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,359
Speaker 5: foundation even without Og in a do or guy spot.

757
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 6: I would lean the.

758
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 5: Next But for Game six, it's just tough for me

759
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 5: to see the Knicks going into Indiana and I know

760
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 5: that they have this ability to summon this superhuman effort

761
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 5: within themselves, but they didn't in game four. Game four

762
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 5: was finally the spot where they were like, ah, man,

763
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 5: that was the one to steal Game three, where we

764
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 5: shoot fifty something ver from three, Dante gives us thirty five.

765
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 5: They couldn't get up for that specific game, and obviously

766
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 5: we saw tonight like when you are the team up

767
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 5: three to two going on the road, it's tough to

768
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 5: summon the same level of effort that the home team has.

769
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 5: And Indiana has been really good at home. They haven't

770
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 5: lost a home game in these playoffs. And that's where

771
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 5: it's like, Okay, now they have clear basketball advantages. They

772
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 5: have nine real quality basketball players. They have two stars

773
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 5: on the floor of the Knicks. One they play super

774
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 5: fast and can just build those leads, especially at home.

775
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 5: I'm with you on like Siakam has to play those

776
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 5: small ball looks off the floor. He has to be

777
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 5: better as a mismatch attacker, and that goes from Ales

778
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 5: Turner as well. And those guys have to rebound better

779
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 5: because there's no reason for the Knicks to beat you

780
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 5: on the glass when they are playing this super small

781
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 5: ball look. And that's a win for them because Deuce

782
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 5: McBride is just better than precious, and it allows them

783
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 5: to match your pace more effectively and bring ball pressure,

784
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 5: and they have more shooting, all these things that were

785
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 5: big in Game five. But with the home crowd behind them,

786
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 5: knowing that they have to bring that sort of energy

787
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 5: and ultimately having more weapons, I do think Indiana probably

788
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 5: takes Game six.

789
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 2: So I'm actually a little bit more optimistic about the

790
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,439
Speaker 2: Knicks winning Game six. I think I leaned slightly towards

791
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 2: Indiana in that game. It's probably like a fifty five

792
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 2: to forty five for me. I think it's gonna be

793
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 2: a really close game. I think the underrated part of

794
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 2: Game four that people are forgetting is it was like

795
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 2: a really quick turnaround. It was basically a day and

796
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 2: a half after Game three. In Game three was very

797
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 2: much a heartbreaking end to that game, right, So I

798
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 2: think that plays a role the especially with Jalen Brunson

799
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 2: dealing with his foot injury. We're not just talking about

800
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 2: not having a quick turnaround. We have an extra day

801
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 2: in here. The Nicks and Pacers played two days ago

802
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 2: and they don't play again until tomorrow, and so you

803
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,399
Speaker 2: got two full days off. That's big on a big

804
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,320
Speaker 2: for Jalen Brunson's foot. I think one of the things

805
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 2: that Tom dibdou figured out, and he figured it out

806
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 2: earlier in the series, but he did it with the

807
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,720
Speaker 2: starting lineup in game five is just kind of understanding

808
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 2: that Duce McBride is one of his five best players

809
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 2: and there's just way too much presses. There was a

810
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 2: playing game, I think it was in Game five that

811
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,760
Speaker 2: to me like perfectly encapsulated the problem with precious to Chua.

812
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 2: He catches in the left corner wide open for three,

813
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 2: doesn't take the shot, drives the baseline, and shoots a

814
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 2: floater short off the front of the rim, and you're like,

815
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 2: oh man, yeah, so like and one of the specific

816
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 2: things from a matchup standpoint with Deuce McBride on the

817
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 2: floor that becomes a problem for the Pacers is they

818
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 2: can't stash Haliburton on Josh Hart because Josh Hart's just

819
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 2: a wrecking ball in the offensive glass, and it becomes

820
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 2: a problem. I still think i'd put ty Reese on

821
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 2: Josh Hart. I just don't think they'll do it. The

822
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 2: main reason why I'd put Tyree on Josh Hart is

823
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,399
Speaker 2: I think you could hedge and recover and get away

824
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 2: with a late close out on Josh Hart when he

825
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 2: slips to the three point line. And then again, I

826
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 2: would confront the rebounding issue more as a team. But

827
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 2: they're not going to put him on Josh Hart. I

828
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,280
Speaker 2: just I don't think Rick Carlisle wants that physical mismatch.

829
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,359
Speaker 2: Don Died Evencenzo on Miles McBride can both hit picking

830
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 2: pop threes at a pretty high level, and Duce McBride

831
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 2: did an amazing job in Game five of just kind

832
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 2: of making the next read in line to kind of

833
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 2: get the the defense in rotation and kind of take

834
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 2: advantage of it really when it comes down to it

835
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:13,399
Speaker 2: for me, Even though Indiana actually has won the half

836
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 2: court battle so far through five games, they're at one

837
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,280
Speaker 2: hundred point eight points per one hundred half court plays.

838
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,240
Speaker 2: The Knicks are at one hundred flat in the series.

839
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 2: But I do think a big part of that was

840
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 2: the blowout in Game four, kind of poisoning the.

841
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 3: Data a little bit.

842
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 2: I think I think I trust New York's half court

843
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 2: offense a little bit better, And so think of it

844
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 2: like this, from the standpoint of the odds, I think

845
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 2: the Pacers, I give them like a fifty five to

846
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 2: forty five chance to win Game six, right, but I

847
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 2: think I give it like eighty twenty in favor of

848
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 2: the Knicks in Game seven. So for me, just from

849
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 2: the standpoint of like a basic statistical analysis, the Knicks

850
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 2: have a pretty good chance to win Game six and

851
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 2: a really good chance to win Game seven, And to me,

852
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 2: that makes them the clear favorite. I don't want to

853
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 2: write them off entirely, but yeah, I think Jalen Bruns

854
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,320
Speaker 2: is the best player. I think that they're just a

855
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 2: little bit more distant with their effort and energy on

856
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 2: both ends of the floor. I just think they're a

857
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 2: better basketball team. You know the Haliburton piece, and you

858
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 2: got Logan, you broke it down beautifully. But like one

859
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 2: of the things with Taliburton is like he was taking

860
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 2: eleven three is a game and hitting over forty percent

861
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 2: of them for a few weeks before that game five,

862
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:16,439
Speaker 2: and then he goes out and takes four of them,

863
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 2: and like I did, I did this bit on my

864
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,720
Speaker 2: show after that game. You know, I think every single

865
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 2: player archetype has a downside. I think Jocic has a

866
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 2: little bit of this too with his playmaking, where it's like,

867
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 2: all of a sudden in game two, he's passing a

868
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 2: sick but he's he's passing out a single coverage, you know,

869
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 2: and it's like, dude, your team's falling apart. You got

870
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 2: to be aggressive, you know what I mean? And like that,

871
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 2: by the way, Lebron had that a lot over the years,

872
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 2: where it's like he's just continuing to make the right

873
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,320
Speaker 2: play and it's like, yeah, but we need you to

874
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 2: kind of take over the game here. And so some

875
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 2: of that is kind of a natural side effect of

876
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 2: his personality as a basketball player, but I think it

877
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 2: gets exacerbated with his age and some of the stakes

878
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 2: at play here because this is this first time being

879
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 2: the best player on a chain tam best player on

880
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 2: a playoff team, Yeah exactly, I misspoke. The best player

881
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,399
Speaker 2: on a team that's actually making a playoff run. It's

882
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 2: a different vibe entirely than than being in a supporting role. Right,

883
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 2: So I lean, I lean New York. I probably lean

884
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 2: in that sixty sixty five to thirty five for them

885
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 2: to win the series at this point, feeling pretty comfortable

886
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 2: about that, So let's move on to Let's move on

887
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 2: to the Mavericks Thunder series. This to me has been

888
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 2: a really fascinating exhibition of the downsides of having a

889
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 2: really young team. And one of the main things that

890
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 2: I point to there is, like, you know, around the league,

891
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 2: we're seeing youth actually win, but not youth in the

892
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,359
Speaker 2: early twenties. We're seeing youth in the late twenties win.

893
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 2: It's the it's the prime guys. It's the guys in

894
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,760
Speaker 2: that twenty five to twenty nine range that have kicked

895
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,439
Speaker 2: the shit out of the thirty to thirty five guys, right,

896
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:53,800
Speaker 2: and that that has been kind of the big story

897
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 2: of this postseason And one of the things that's really

898
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 2: noticed that I've really noticed in this series for the

899
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 2: between the thought under in the MAVs is just the

900
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 2: Thunder have been unable to reach their ceiling through a

901
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 2: lot of young guy decision making mistakes, and the MAVs

902
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 2: have had issues with their stars being consistent, but in

903
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 2: terms of overall process, they've been more diligent about getting

904
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,720
Speaker 2: the right shots and playing for each other and playing

905
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,720
Speaker 2: to their strengths, which I think is manifested every single

906
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:24,879
Speaker 2: time that they've really put their foot on the gas.

907
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, the two losses to me

908
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 2: primarily came down to Luca just sucking like in game one,

909
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 2: in game four, and as long as Luca reaches a

910
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 2: certain floor, I think they're gonna win. And so we're

911
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 2: headed back to Dallas for Game six, which I believe

912
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 2: is on Saturday. We'll start with you, Carson, where are

913
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 2: you at with this series?

914
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 3: Right now?

915
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 5: I'm confident in Dallas and I would pick them to

916
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:50,439
Speaker 5: close it out at home. This should have been over

917
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 5: in five, like, if not for an absolute Luca disaster

918
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 5: class in game four and of course Shay coming through

919
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,760
Speaker 5: huge clutch in the well as well, but even Kyrie

920
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 5: couldn't make shots in the fourth quarter of that game

921
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 5: like that was just such a collective meltdown.

922
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 6: Clearly, we are seeing a.

923
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 5: More consistent level from this Dallas team, because it's exactly

924
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 5: like you say, not only has this not been a

925
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 5: good Lucas series.

926
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 6: Last game he was really good Kyrie.

927
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 5: A lot of it to me has just been so

928
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 5: consistently seeing two defenders, and he's playmaking well. But also

929
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:24,359
Speaker 5: I would have liked to see him assert himself more

930
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 5: in some of these spots and maybe even go away

931
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 5: from pick and roll and just go to work in isolation.

932
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 5: He's such a great shot maker, like heats, to me,

933
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 5: hasn't quite had the offensive impact you would like to see.

934
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 5: Neither of them have had like the sort of collective

935
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 5: big night that we know that they're capable of, partly

936
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 5: as a product of scheme, but also just as a

937
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 5: product of their performance, the level that they're playing at.

938
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 5: And still they're up three to two, and again this

939
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 5: series should have been over by now, so I have

940
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 5: a lot more confidence in Dallas's role players right now.

941
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 6: I think that PJ.

942
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 5: Washington and Derek Jones are kind of running circles around

943
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 5: what you're seeing from the OKC Wings in terms of

944
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 5: shot making from PJ, but also just in terms of

945
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 5: the physicality, the athleticism, how they're making plays. They are

946
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,240
Speaker 5: consistently getting the ball to those corners when you're seeing

947
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 5: two guys Senate Hyrie and Lucan, they're making shots. And

948
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 5: on the flip side, I just think Okac's offense is

949
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 5: kind of broken down. Both these teams are having to

950
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 5: deal with awesome rim protection. Like the efficiency in the

951
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 5: restricted area for both these teams is just brutal. It's

952
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 5: like way below the rest of the field in this series,

953
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 5: and you got to give props to Check there, and

954
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 5: you got to give props to Gafford Lively there. But

955
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 5: one team is still producing, one team is still getting

956
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 5: good open looks in the corners, and the other team

957
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 5: is just really struggling to move the ball. They're at

958
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 5: times forcing finishes, which is just not going to work

959
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 5: out when you're dealing with this level of rimp protection,

960
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 5: and they're forcing some shots from beyond the arc as well,

961
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 5: like where you make an extra swing pass and you

962
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 5: can get a better look. And they also just aren't

963
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 5: really knocking down even the decent looks that they're getting

964
00:43:58,360 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 5: from three to oka.

965
00:43:59,080 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 6: See.

966
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 5: I do think it's more a product of just not

967
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 5: having very good shot quality though.

968
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 3: So you can.

969
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 5: Start Isaiah Joe like last game, and then you can't

970
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,359
Speaker 5: roam off of Josh Giddy super easily. But Isaiah Joe

971
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:13,399
Speaker 5: wasn't on as a three point shooter last game, nor

972
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 5: was Caseon Wallace, nor was Aaron Wiggins those guys have

973
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 5: to make shots to ultimately figure things out.

974
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:23,879
Speaker 6: For Okasee and Jadab has just been really, really rough.

975
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 5: Has not been nearly the second shot creator that they've needed,

976
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 5: hasn't been able to consistently create advantages. Also, just has

977
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:35,439
Speaker 5: struggled as a shooter, Like he's just off. So when

978
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 5: I think about where Dallas is at without getting like

979
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:42,240
Speaker 5: really good Lucan Kyrie consistently, they're just checking more boxes.

980
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,399
Speaker 5: They're physical, the defensive foundation is so strong. I think

981
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 5: they can win even more convincingly on the glass than

982
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 5: they have in some of these games. So I would

983
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 5: confidently expect them to finish out this series.

984
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 6: I'm with you. I just think Oka see they're incredible

985
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 6: what they've done for being so young.

986
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 5: They're the youngest one seed in NBA history. That is awesome,

987
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 5: What an accomplishment. But up and down this roster, the

988
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 5: dudes other than Shay just aren't ready for this moment yet.

989
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,720
Speaker 7: Yeah, the supporting cast has really let Oklahoma City down.

990
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 7: And so when you couple in the other factors, like

991
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 7: you know, Sga has been pulling his weight, like he's

992
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 7: thirty points last game this series, he's thirty two ten

993
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 7: and seven on fifty nine percent true shooting. I know

994
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 7: you mentioned this last episode, Carson. When you're facing this

995
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 7: kind of defensive intensity and pressure and these kind of

996
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 7: packed lanes and all this defensive attention, it really is

997
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 7: remarkable that Sga has been this effective and he's playmaked well,

998
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,479
Speaker 7: like he's seven assists of this series. He'd have way

999
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 7: more if his boys could hit a shot, like they're

1000
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 7: really letting him down. J dub is the guy that

1001
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 7: I point the finger at the most. Game Forty's fourteen

1002
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 7: points on five to nineteen from the field, Game five,

1003
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:51,879
Speaker 7: he's twelve points on six to thirteen. And you can't

1004
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:55,879
Speaker 7: overstate like how important three point shooting is to this team.

1005
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 7: They were number one and three point percentage in the

1006
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 7: regular season. Game five, they shoot ten of five already

1007
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 7: this series, they've been at thirty five percent against Dallas,

1008
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 7: and outside of Game one, they've shot thirty five percent

1009
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 7: from below thirty five percent excuse me from deep in

1010
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 7: four consecutive games against Dallas. So you couple the fact

1011
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 7: that Oklahoma City has consistently gotten very little from their

1012
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 7: supporting cast, Dallas has gotten everything, and then you get

1013
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,839
Speaker 7: to the physicality department, which is why I really give

1014
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 7: the edge to Dallas. They've won every game on the

1015
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 7: glass outside of Game one, either plus twelve in defensive

1016
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 7: rebounds or excuse me, total rebounds or plus nine in

1017
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 7: offensive rebounds, Like those are just things.

1018
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: That don't change.

1019
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 7: Like, I trust Dallas's defense, I trust them on the glass.

1020
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 7: If Luca can shut up and stop crying too the

1021
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 7: reffs and do what he did in Game five, Like,

1022
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:47,399
Speaker 7: I'm very confident that the Dallas is gonna come through

1023
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 7: and handle business. But it really comes down to Oklahoma

1024
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 7: City supporting cast, and I just don't think they have.

1025
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: Done enough to propel Shae.

1026
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 7: Shae has done everything you could have asked for him

1027
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 7: in this series, Like he has gone above and beyond,

1028
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 7: and I'm really disappointed at how the supporting cast has

1029
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 7: let him down in this series.

1030
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, the stat that I gave to just kind of

1031
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 2: demonstrate the bad process is they're actually shooting forty two

1032
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 2: percent on a wide open threes in the series. They're

1033
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 2: making them. The problem is they're only generating sixteen of them.

1034
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 2: They generated twenty three of them per game in the

1035
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:22,439
Speaker 2: regular season. They were just so much more diligent.

1036
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 3: About that.

1037
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 2: Something I've noticed for a long time. I work with

1038
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 2: a lot of young basketball players, obviously through a bunch

1039
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 2: of different avenues. I work with the college kids that

1040
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:34,760
Speaker 2: come back to town. I work with my high school

1041
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 2: team that I coach. And one of the most frequent

1042
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 2: things I noticed, and I've used this kind of like

1043
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 2: this story on the show before, but like young basketball

1044
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 2: players struggle to identify what's working and repeat it and

1045
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:50,240
Speaker 2: then identify what's not working and like trim that fat

1046
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 2: out of whatever they're doing, is they have a tendency

1047
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 2: to kind of bounce back and forth and not really

1048
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,359
Speaker 2: be aware of the value of what every possession is.

1049
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,399
Speaker 2: And I think the dead giveaway there is like, look

1050
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 2: at how Dallas is, Like PJ. Washington has it going,

1051
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 2: so they're just like hunting him with skip passes every

1052
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 2: single time he's being left open. You can literally see

1053
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 2: Kyrie and Luca like like just trying to find reasons

1054
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:18,399
Speaker 2: to give him the basketball, you know what I mean.

1055
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:21,879
Speaker 2: And with Oklahoma City, it's kind of just they're just

1056
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 2: playing so read and react, but not like not with

1057
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 2: any sort of diligence and bigger picture sense of what's

1058
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 2: happening in the game.

1059
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 3: Everyone's just kind of playing, you know what I mean.

1060
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 2: And I'll see that with young players where it's like

1061
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 2: you'll you'll run a basic action, maybe it's a ball

1062
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 2: screen where you're attacking a specific mismatch and this one

1063
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 2: guy can't guard when a guy's going downhill at him,

1064
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 2: and you'll get an easy layup. And then you'll go

1065
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 2: down the floor the next time, and I'll be sitting

1066
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 2: there thinking like, let's do the same thing again, and

1067
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 2: then someone will just go off script and take a

1068
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 2: random pull up jumper and You're like, what are you doing?

1069
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 2: We just got an easy layup doing this, So how

1070
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:56,320
Speaker 2: about we do that until they figure out how to

1071
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,479
Speaker 2: stop it, and then we figure out what we're gonna

1072
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,439
Speaker 2: do next. Right, Like basketball doesn't need to be as

1073
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 2: difficult it is as it is sometimes And like, honestly,

1074
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 2: like one of the big things that's dawned to me

1075
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:08,839
Speaker 2: in this series, I actually do think Oklahoma City has

1076
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 2: more offensive talent than Dallas, and I think they've demonstrated

1077
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 2: that throughout the throughout the season.

1078
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:14,839
Speaker 3: Right.

1079
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:18,360
Speaker 2: The problem is is like Dallas is just playing better basketball.

1080
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 2: They're just playing a more diligent and smart brand of basketball.

1081
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 2: I do think one of the things that has stood

1082
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:27,839
Speaker 2: out in a big way is Dallas's defense is for real,

1083
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:32,400
Speaker 2: particularly at the perimeter and at the rim. And this

1084
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 2: is one of those things. I remember after the trade deadline,

1085
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 2: they went on an East Coast road trip and that

1086
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 2: was the game where Maxtrus hit the that was the

1087
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 2: trip where extras It beat him on a on the

1088
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 2: full court game winner, if you guys remember. But their

1089
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 2: defense was just straight ass on that road trip, Like

1090
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 2: it was so bad. And I remember sitting there thinking like,

1091
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 2: man like, I don't know if this team is capable

1092
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 2: of really locking in on that in the way that

1093
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 2: they need to, but they did down the stretch of

1094
00:49:55,880 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 2: the season, and like, I legitimately have been super i

1095
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 2: by them in this playoff run. And one of the

1096
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:04,359
Speaker 2: things too, that I want to say before we move

1097
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:08,439
Speaker 2: on Tyrie, there are some funky box scores in there,

1098
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 2: and and like I get it. I know I'm a

1099
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 2: Kyrie fan, but like, I think he's been pretty damn

1100
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:18,240
Speaker 2: good in this series. Like Kyrie is just a basketball player,

1101
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 2: man Like, he just does all of these little things

1102
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 2: really well and and just kind of has a feel

1103
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 2: for like the timeliness of what's happening in a game

1104
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 2: like he didn't have I can't even remember how many

1105
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 2: points he scored in Game five, on't much, but he

1106
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 2: hit this like huge pull up three I want to

1107
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 2: say it was in the early fourth quarter that put

1108
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 2: them up fourteen, and like he hadn't even been being aggressive,

1109
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 2: but he was aggressive on that possession, and it almost

1110
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 2: felt like he was like, I can hit the shot.

1111
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 2: I'm gonna hit it right here. It's just gonna change

1112
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 2: the mental dynamic of the game because fourteen just feels

1113
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 2: insurmountable in a lot of ways. And so yeah, like

1114
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 2: I just want to shout out Dallas. I've been really

1115
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 2: really impressed with them. They flipped me in the last

1116
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 2: month of the season. I had to considerably lower in

1117
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 2: my contender rankings, and I ended up moving them up

1118
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 2: to third behind Denver and Boston at the very end

1119
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 2: of the season after watching that latch that last stretch,

1120
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 2: just because I thought they were peaking at the right

1121
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 2: time and I really thought they were figuring some things

1122
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 2: out defensively, and like it's been cool to kind of

1123
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 2: see that come to fruition, and I've just been really

1124
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 2: really impressed by them and Honestly, I think Dallas. If

1125
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:27,320
Speaker 2: Dallas and Denver both escape, I think that would be

1126
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 2: a really really fun Western Conference Finals And to me,

1127
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 2: that does feel like a proper conference finals type of matchup.

1128
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 3: Before we get out.

1129
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 2: Of here tonight, I've decided, I've made an executive decision.

1130
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 2: We're going to We're going to do an additional segment,

1131
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 2: not gonna be a long one. We're going to rank

1132
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:48,280
Speaker 2: the top five remaining players in the NBA playoffs. Okay,

1133
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 2: we're gonna do it. We're gonna do it as a

1134
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 2: group effort and get into a little bit of a debate. Okay,

1135
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 2: so let's just start with this. We all agree that

1136
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 2: that Nicole Yoki is at number one?

1137
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:02,840
Speaker 3: Correct? Does anybody want to argue that at all? Whatsoever?

1138
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 6: No agreed?

1139
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 2: Okay, So I've Nicole Jokic at number one. Who's number two?

1140
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 2: And let's start with you, Carson, who's the second best

1141
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 2: player remaining in the playoffs?

1142
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 3: Right now?

1143
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 5: This is in terms of who would I want for

1144
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 5: the remainder of these playoffs, like based on the level

1145
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 5: they've been playing.

1146
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 2: At purely in a vacuum, playing at this level in

1147
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 2: a vacuum, but within the scope of this playoff run. So,

1148
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 2: for instance, I want you to evaluate Anthony Edwards and

1149
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 2: guys like guys like Jalen Brunston. I want you to

1150
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 2: evaluate them within the lens of how they're playing in

1151
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:37,799
Speaker 2: this postseason run.

1152
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 5: So that's what makes this tricky, because I do think

1153
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:46,720
Speaker 5: that Luca is the second best player remaining big picture,

1154
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:49,240
Speaker 5: I also think Luca has been the second best player

1155
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 5: on his own team in this playoff run.

1156
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 6: And even though he figured a lot.

1157
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 5: Of things out last game and got his attitude together,

1158
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:57,879
Speaker 5: and the pull up jumpers were following in a way

1159
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 5: they just haven't been, and his decision making was great,

1160
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 5: and he was getting down hillmore, he was engaged defensively,

1161
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:07,320
Speaker 5: he's been so so uh, I don't.

1162
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 6: Even know if I would say up and down.

1163
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 5: It's been more bad than good, considerably more bad than

1164
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 5: good for Luca considering the standard that we hold him to.

1165
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 5: To me, ant's been the top two guy in this

1166
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 5: playoff run. And part of that is like, yeah, he's

1167
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 5: been unbelievable as a pull up shooter, and he finally

1168
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 5: had a clunker in Game five where those shots just

1169
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 5: weren't following, and that was rough. But also like I

1170
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 5: really like a lot of the shots that he's getting

1171
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 5: as a pull up shooter. I don't think it's always

1172
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 5: gonna be this good, but I also do think it's

1173
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 5: legitimately better than it was in the regular season, and

1174
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:41,799
Speaker 5: he has taken a jump in every postseason.

1175
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 6: He's defending at a high level.

1176
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 5: The athleticism just does not stop his willingness to dominate

1177
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:48,840
Speaker 5: a game.

1178
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 6: I feel like.

1179
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:53,840
Speaker 5: He's earned two right now, and that's not big picture,

1180
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 5: Like I would still have Luca and I would have

1181
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 5: Sga higher on my player rankings, but An's been It's

1182
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 5: in these playoffs so far.

1183
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 7: Ants number two for me as well, Like when the

1184
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 7: difference I would make is I think Luca's ceiling is higher,

1185
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:10,360
Speaker 7: but I think Ant's floor has consistently been higher in

1186
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 7: these playoffs. Like you know, Ants strong all these double

1187
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 7: teams too, when his pull up jump shooting isn't hitting

1188
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:18,319
Speaker 7: and he's making good decisions. But what we were talking

1189
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 7: about on our show too, is the fact that you know,

1190
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 7: when Ann gets a double, he's not really gonna make you.

1191
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:24,840
Speaker 7: He's not gonna punish you for the worst part, Like

1192
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 7: he's not ever gonna kick week side to the corner

1193
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 7: like that nail in the Coffin type pass that's gonna

1194
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 7: He's gonna make the right decision. And so that's why

1195
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:35,799
Speaker 7: I say on like it is ceiling when Luca's drawing

1196
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 7: those kind of coverages and he's on and he's strong

1197
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:42,439
Speaker 7: and he's getting downhill. Luca, I think is definitively number two.

1198
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 7: But like the floor that we've gotten from Man has

1199
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 7: been so phenomenal, And I mean, Jason, you say he's unguardable,

1200
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 7: like already I do. Man, nobody can stay in front

1201
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 7: of the kid. And yeah, the level he's been at,

1202
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 7: I think he's number two. And almost spoil it a

1203
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 7: little bit, guys, I think i'd have Luca maybe four

1204
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 7: or five out of the remaining guys, Like, just with

1205
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 7: where he's been.

1206
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 1: At, where his floor has been at, and where.

1207
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 7: He's been at consistently, Luca's probably lower than I would

1208
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 7: have him at full health.

1209
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 2: So I think it's unquestionable that Ant has been the

1210
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 2: second best player in this postseason run based solely on results,

1211
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 2: Based on how he's played to this point, I am

1212
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 2: going to bump him to three for Luca, though, in

1213
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:26,320
Speaker 2: the sense that even though Luca has had some really

1214
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 2: bad moments, Like if I was picking players that i'd

1215
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:33,760
Speaker 2: want to lead my team going into the conference finals,

1216
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 2: for instance, I just trust Luca a little bit more

1217
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:41,279
Speaker 2: with his experience and a little bit more of his

1218
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:44,320
Speaker 2: like half court surgery type of stuff, to be a

1219
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:47,399
Speaker 2: little bit more resilient to adjustments and things along those

1220
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 2: lines over the course.

1221
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 3: Of the series.

1222
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 2: And it's just a respect to the fact that I

1223
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:53,319
Speaker 2: do believe Luca is the second best player in the

1224
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 2: world right now. So I'm gonna go with Luca at

1225
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:58,240
Speaker 2: two on my list, but I would put Aunt at three.

1226
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:02,359
Speaker 2: I'm assuming Carson you would put it, or you'd put

1227
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 2: Luke at three as well, right I would, although I have.

1228
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:08,839
Speaker 5: Been concerned by a lot of what we've seen, and

1229
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 5: I think, like even as his jumpers start falling more,

1230
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 5: just the fact that he hasn't been getting downhill consistently,

1231
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 5: and I think the knee is definitely a component in that,

1232
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 5: Like we are definitely not seeing the Luca that we're

1233
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 5: used to. So I don't want to be overly encouraged

1234
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 5: just because Game five was really good, but I do

1235
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:30,279
Speaker 5: just think he's earned the recognition just because of how

1236
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:32,840
Speaker 5: great of a basketball player he is and the offensive mastery.

1237
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 5: Long story short, Yes, I would still have him at three,

1238
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 5: even though I definitely don't think he's been at that

1239
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:39,239
Speaker 5: level consistently in these playoffs.

1240
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 2: Okay, so Logan, since you think Luca's at seventeen and

1241
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 2: he's a bum, who do you have at three?

1242
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 1: He's not a bum? Thank you for putting those words

1243
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 1: in my mouth, Jason.

1244
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:51,280
Speaker 6: Luca.

1245
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 7: I'm not super encouraged consistency wise, and I agree with

1246
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:57,280
Speaker 7: you guys, like at full strength, I think Luca's definitively

1247
00:56:57,360 --> 00:56:59,800
Speaker 7: number two. But I think they gave him somebody that

1248
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:02,359
Speaker 7: good good before Game five, some of that that big

1249
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 7: Ben's special in his leg, something like that. I think

1250
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 7: they gave him, you know, some of that you ain't

1251
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 7: gonna feel it during the game, and I think it

1252
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 7: was able to get him to lock.

1253
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 1: In a little more.

1254
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 7: I am just skeptical at how healthy he's gonna be,

1255
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 7: how much he's moaning at the rest, how much he's

1256
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:22,919
Speaker 7: concerned with that aspect of the game. Mister consistent has

1257
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 7: been SGA and like I just bank on it, Like

1258
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 7: I think that he might be the most consistent scorer

1259
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 7: in basketball. If I need thirty man Like, No, I

1260
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 7: wouldn't put him over Yokics, but I might put him too.

1261
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 7: Sga just has an unstoppable skill set, and I think

1262
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 7: his playmaking numbers would look better if his teammates were hidden.

1263
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 7: Looks like he's been so good as a decision maker,

1264
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 7: he's been so great at dealing with doubles, he's gotten

1265
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 7: any bucket that he's wanted, and in the fourth quarter

1266
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 7: of these games, like he.

1267
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 1: Stepped his game up.

1268
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 7: It's a It's been about the consistency for me in

1269
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 7: these playoffs, and Luca has just consistently played below his means.

1270
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 7: Is that still a really good freaking basketball player. Yeah,

1271
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 7: but I'd rather take the guy that has been consistently

1272
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 7: great and great in almost every single game in these playoffs,

1273
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 7: and that's been Sga. And so again, this is nothing

1274
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 7: against Luca. I think Luca at full strength is number two,

1275
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 7: but I wouldn't put him. I wouldn't put him over

1276
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 7: SGA in these playoffs thus far.

1277
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 2: Okay, So I have Carson at Jokic aunt Luca, and

1278
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 2: I have Logan at Jokic aunt SGA. Correct, I am

1279
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 2: gonna tweak mine because I made a mistake this was

1280
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 2: something I intended to do, but I made a mistake.

1281
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 2: I'm moving Aunt down to four, and I'm putting Jason

1282
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 2: Tatum at three. And here's the reason why I'm a

1283
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 2: huge believer in Aunt. I think he might actually be

1284
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 2: my favorite player. And I think that Ant is going

1285
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 2: to be better than Jason Tatum within within eighteen months.

1286
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 2: Like I think that's how highly I think of Ant.

1287
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 2: Aunt right now, though, is just a little bit volatile

1288
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 2: like any other twenty two year old in terms of

1289
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 2: his like just ability to handle the random kind of

1290
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 2: curve balls that the NBA Playoffs can throw at you,

1291
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 2: kind of like him just getting completely, like just completely

1292
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 2: blindsided by the double teaming in Game five, for instance.

1293
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 2: I also think has had some really bad defensive moments

1294
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 2: in this postseason, and he's one of those guys that's

1295
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 2: like devastating on the ball. And I thought he had

1296
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 2: his best defensive game of the postseason tonight against Jamal Murray,

1297
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:22,440
Speaker 2: much better screen navigation, just stayed attached to him a

1298
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:24,480
Speaker 2: lot better. But a big part of what happened that

1299
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 2: kind of hurt the team in Game three. In Game

1300
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 2: four was and just kept losing Jamal on screens and

1301
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:32,440
Speaker 2: that's a big weakness in his game at this point.

1302
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:36,480
Speaker 2: Jason Tatum can be a frustrating basketball player. God knows that.

1303
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 2: I've gone into that in excruciating detail over the course

1304
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 2: of the last few years. And there are things that

1305
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:45,200
Speaker 2: I despise about his approach, and then I wish that

1306
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 2: he could get better at in terms of his scoring resiliency,

1307
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 2: in terms of his ability to be efficient, Like he

1308
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 2: shot over fifty percent for the first time all postseason

1309
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 2: last night. Yeah, like he's not having a good scoring

1310
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 2: playoff front. That said, I think Jason Tatum has been

1311
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 2: underrated in a bunch of key areas in this playoff run.

1312
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 2: First of all, I think he's been unbelievable defensively. He's

1313
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 2: arguably their smartest and most impactful team defender in terms

1314
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 2: of like just his versatility's ability to switch everything, like, oh,

1315
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 2: let's put him on Evan Mobley or like to let's

1316
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 2: put him on Evan Mobley to start a playoff series

1317
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 2: so that we can switch ball screens and we know

1318
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 2: we're not giving up anything there rebounding or imp protection

1319
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 2: even like there's just a lot of upside there. He's

1320
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:32,440
Speaker 2: an excellent rebounder, in a way that I think is

1321
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 2: really underrated at his position. He's averaging over ten rebounds

1322
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 2: in the Cavs series. Another big piece of it, too,

1323
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:42,400
Speaker 2: for me, is like he's uniquely kind of like a

1324
01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 2: nice fit with this group because his passivity and is willing,

1325
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 2: willingness to just make the right play kind of allows

1326
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:51,120
Speaker 2: a lot of the other guys to kind of stay

1327
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 2: to be more impactful. I think the big weakness of

1328
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:58,840
Speaker 2: his is like identifying when to be like, no, give

1329
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 2: me the damn ball and get out of my way.

1330
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:03,960
Speaker 2: And that's why I don't have him higher on this list.

1331
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:06,720
Speaker 2: That's why I think that Jokich and Luca are clearly

1332
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 2: better basketball players than him. Think they just are better

1333
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:12,640
Speaker 2: at identifying that balance between playing in the flow of

1334
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 2: the game versus being really aggressive. So I just think

1335
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 2: I think right now Tatum's floor is so much higher

1336
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:23,360
Speaker 2: than Ants, just because he's a more experienced, better kind

1337
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 2: of like all around basketball player that I'm putting him

1338
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 2: at three. But to be clear to Ant, I think

1339
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:31,920
Speaker 2: he's been the second best player in this playoff run

1340
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 2: to this point. I'm just saying, like if I was

1341
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 2: peaking players for a seven game series, that started tomorrow

1342
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:39,439
Speaker 2: in a vacuum. I think Tatum is just a little

1343
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:42,120
Speaker 2: bit more reliable in all of the other areas of

1344
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:44,200
Speaker 2: the game. Where would you guys have Tatum? Would guys

1345
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:45,240
Speaker 2: have Tatum in your top five?

1346
01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:51,400
Speaker 5: So I feel very confident about Aunt above him. To me,

1347
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:56,320
Speaker 5: the gap in defensive consistency does not offset the fact

1348
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 5: that at the end of the day, I don't think

1349
01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 5: there's any world in which Jason Tatum could have done

1350
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 5: could be doing what Anthony Edwards has consistently done. Just

1351
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:07,560
Speaker 5: as that takeover offensive number one thirty a night on

1352
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:11,120
Speaker 5: sixty six percent for shooting, and yes hasn't been great

1353
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:14,040
Speaker 5: as a playmaker, has been mostly good enough when we

1354
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:16,480
Speaker 5: are talking about projecting this, as I mentioned, like he

1355
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:18,920
Speaker 5: has an effective field goal percentage of fifty seven and

1356
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 5: a half on pull up jumpers in the playoffs versus

1357
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:22,800
Speaker 5: forty four percent in the regular season.

1358
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:25,400
Speaker 6: That is not going to be sustained. That is like.

1359
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:29,000
Speaker 5: Better than any single pull up jump shooter in basketball

1360
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:31,439
Speaker 5: this year. But he is in a rhythm right now,

1361
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 5: and like that rhythm has been pretty consistent over the

1362
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:36,680
Speaker 5: course of these ten games. I just think Ann is

1363
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:39,440
Speaker 5: a significantly better score of the basketball. At the end

1364
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:42,440
Speaker 5: of the day, I think his unrelenting downhill pressure, combined

1365
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:44,760
Speaker 5: with the fact that right now he is just way

1366
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:46,320
Speaker 5: better as a pull up shooter.

1367
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 6: I just don't think Tatum could do what he's doing

1368
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:49,720
Speaker 6: right now.

1369
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:53,080
Speaker 5: And I don't agree that Tatum is in some ways

1370
01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:56,520
Speaker 5: like a very good connective number one. But also, when

1371
01:02:56,560 --> 01:02:59,440
Speaker 5: you're in Boston, you get to have the luxury of

1372
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 5: doing that because you can have offensive explosions from Derek

1373
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:05,760
Speaker 5: White for a series, you can have Jalen Brown be

1374
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 5: your best offensive player, which I would argue up until

1375
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:11,919
Speaker 5: last game, like, well, he's been their best score throughout

1376
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:14,440
Speaker 5: this playoffs. I would say Jalen Brown has been, so

1377
01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:16,720
Speaker 5: I would have Tatum at five.

1378
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:20,000
Speaker 6: I would have Sga confidently at four.

1379
01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:23,080
Speaker 5: I think his floor is a score is just outstanding,

1380
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:25,760
Speaker 5: and again I think he is capable of providing a

1381
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:28,880
Speaker 5: consistency there that I don't get from Tatum. SGA shooting

1382
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:31,480
Speaker 5: fifty three percent from the mid range and even facing

1383
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:34,560
Speaker 5: as we've talked about, a great defense with great athletes

1384
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:36,640
Speaker 5: on the perimeter, Derek Jones Junior is a tough draw

1385
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:39,120
Speaker 5: pack paints. He's the best downhill guard in the league,

1386
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:41,000
Speaker 5: and he can't get all the way downhill right now,

1387
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:44,440
Speaker 5: and he is still killing you with great volume and efficiency.

1388
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:46,920
Speaker 5: He's still making the right reads, and he's having a

1389
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:51,440
Speaker 5: real defensive impact. I think Sga is a better basketball

1390
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:53,720
Speaker 5: player than Jason Tatum, both within the context of this

1391
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:58,160
Speaker 5: run and outside of it. Five is tough because I

1392
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:02,160
Speaker 5: really have so much respect for Jalen Brunson and what

1393
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:05,480
Speaker 5: he's done as an offensive number one. But I do

1394
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:08,720
Speaker 5: think that is the threshold at which, like the all

1395
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:14,840
Speaker 5: around value of Tatum does surpass the singular shot making

1396
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:17,640
Speaker 5: value that you get from Jalen Brunson and playmaking because

1397
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 5: he's drawing such obscene amounts of offensive attention. Like, I

1398
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 5: do think Brunson is clearly a better offensive player, but

1399
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:26,800
Speaker 5: I do think Tatum is the better all around basketball player,

1400
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:28,760
Speaker 5: and I would take him going forward. But that's even

1401
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:30,240
Speaker 5: close to me, So I'd have Tatum five.

1402
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:33,160
Speaker 2: Okay, hold on, hold on for a second. Logan, So

1403
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 2: I've got, I've got. I'm actually putting Jalen Brunson at five.

1404
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:38,800
Speaker 2: I think that in Wow when you cut, when you

1405
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:40,880
Speaker 2: kind of yeah, well.

1406
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:43,440
Speaker 3: Again, we're splitting hairs here. This is a tier of players.

1407
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:46,640
Speaker 2: That's probably six long, not five long, but we're forcing

1408
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:48,320
Speaker 2: it to five for the sake of some good debate,

1409
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:51,640
Speaker 2: So I'd have sgah six. And I certainly don't see

1410
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:55,000
Speaker 2: much of a gap really between three and six, really

1411
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:57,880
Speaker 2: between two and six, I don't see much of a

1412
01:04:57,880 --> 01:04:59,560
Speaker 2: gap there. Like Joki is kind of on a tier

1413
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 2: on his own. So don't take this as an insult

1414
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:04,480
Speaker 2: thunder fans. I just am kind of giving this as

1415
01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:07,440
Speaker 2: a as a an opportunity to shout out Jalen Brunson.

1416
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:09,880
Speaker 2: Jalen Brunston, to me, has had kind of a similar

1417
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 2: job to Shay in this postseason, and I just think

1418
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:14,000
Speaker 2: he's done a better job of it. In fact, I

1419
01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:17,400
Speaker 2: would argue that, like there's more pressure on Jalen Brunston

1420
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:19,920
Speaker 2: to produce every single game, Like to put it simply,

1421
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:22,080
Speaker 2: like we just talked about how we think the Knicks

1422
01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 2: are gonna beat the Pacers, and it requires Brunson to

1423
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 2: go score seventy points in those two games or thirty

1424
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:28,959
Speaker 2: five to forty in a one game if they close

1425
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:31,840
Speaker 2: it out, Like it is an absolute necessity for Jalen

1426
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:35,120
Speaker 2: Brunson to just completely tattoo those guys a score as

1427
01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:38,520
Speaker 2: a score the entirety of one or both of those games,

1428
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:42,320
Speaker 2: and he just continually shows up every single time they

1429
01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:44,640
Speaker 2: need him to. I think he's one of those guys too,

1430
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:47,320
Speaker 2: where his like lack of physical imposition on the game

1431
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:49,960
Speaker 2: kind of makes people think what he's doing is fluky.

1432
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:53,280
Speaker 2: And look, I need to really really dive into the

1433
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:55,240
Speaker 2: tape to kind of and I plan on doing that

1434
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:57,880
Speaker 2: this summer to kind of get like a better feel

1435
01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:01,840
Speaker 2: for what makes Jalen Brunson such dominant score on the

1436
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:05,080
Speaker 2: surface kind of take on it is like kind of

1437
01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:08,640
Speaker 2: thirty thousand feet is just he's the ultimate. It reminds

1438
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 2: me of Kyrie in the sense that, like he literally

1439
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:13,960
Speaker 2: has every move in the book. Yeah, he can shoot

1440
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:16,760
Speaker 2: step back threes, he can hit forward moving threes off

1441
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:19,200
Speaker 2: of ball screens. He can do it going both directions.

1442
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:21,560
Speaker 2: He can hit pull up mid range jump shots in

1443
01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:23,560
Speaker 2: ball screens. He can hit turn your back to the

1444
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:27,280
Speaker 2: basket fade away jump shots in ISO and post up situations.

1445
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:29,680
Speaker 2: He's got all of the floaters and hooks from the

1446
01:06:29,720 --> 01:06:31,800
Speaker 2: short range, and he can finish at the rim. And

1447
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:34,160
Speaker 2: he's a great playmaker, and so like he literally can

1448
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:36,560
Speaker 2: do it all and that in and of itself, I

1449
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:39,120
Speaker 2: think kind of gives him a level of versatility that

1450
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:41,040
Speaker 2: he can always kind of throw a change up at

1451
01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:43,880
Speaker 2: whatever defender is guarding him, and that makes him kind

1452
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:47,160
Speaker 2: of super resilient in these situations. And so even though, like, yeah,

1453
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:50,320
Speaker 2: in a vacuum, I would take Shay to run a

1454
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:53,760
Speaker 2: franchise because I think he's younger and more physically gifted

1455
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:56,560
Speaker 2: and obviously like there's a lot of upside there. But

1456
01:06:56,680 --> 01:06:59,120
Speaker 2: to me, like Jalen Brunson deserves his flowers for this

1457
01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:01,520
Speaker 2: playoff run, and I think he's just done a better

1458
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:04,320
Speaker 2: job of what Shay's doing on a nightly basis and

1459
01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:06,720
Speaker 2: a higher pressure situation for a team who needs it more.

1460
01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:09,240
Speaker 2: And so I put Jalen Brunson at five. So Logan,

1461
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:11,680
Speaker 2: I have you at So that puts my list at

1462
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:17,720
Speaker 2: jok Luca, Tatum at Brunson, Carson's at Jokic Aunt Luca,

1463
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:22,600
Speaker 2: Sga Tatum, Logan, I have you at jokic ant Sga,

1464
01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:24,560
Speaker 2: and we need your four and five.

1465
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:27,720
Speaker 7: Luca, and then Brunston, I just want to ask real quick, Jason,

1466
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:30,640
Speaker 7: what do you mean about by his lack of physical imposition?

1467
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:32,480
Speaker 1: Like on the game. Like, I think Brunson's a pretty

1468
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:33,200
Speaker 1: physical guy.

1469
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:35,360
Speaker 3: No, he plays a physical brand.

1470
01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:38,000
Speaker 2: When I say what I mean is he's not particularly fast,

1471
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:40,280
Speaker 2: he's not particularly strong. Well, he is a strong player

1472
01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:43,400
Speaker 2: for his size, but he's not like particularly big. He's

1473
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:47,120
Speaker 2: not particularly tall or athletic like. He just he's straight

1474
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:51,560
Speaker 2: up beating these dudes with with skill development and and

1475
01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:57,160
Speaker 2: just IQ and savvy and audacity and just like Alpha Dog,

1476
01:07:57,360 --> 01:07:59,320
Speaker 2: you can't guard me like that, He's.

1477
01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:02,000
Speaker 3: Just doing it. I'll tell you that the Baldon stop

1478
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:02,520
Speaker 3: would love him.

1479
01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:05,400
Speaker 2: He's just just straight hooping these guys into the dirt.

1480
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:08,920
Speaker 6: But he's no Jamal Crawford.

1481
01:08:10,680 --> 01:08:14,920
Speaker 7: Tell you that the reason I would go with Brunson

1482
01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:17,759
Speaker 7: and like SGA over Tatum.

1483
01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:20,040
Speaker 1: You make a great argument, I think, Jason.

1484
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:22,479
Speaker 3: About what you have Tatum outside the top five entirely, wouldn't.

1485
01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:25,120
Speaker 7: I mean, I'm I'm the resident Boston Celtics and Jason

1486
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:27,679
Speaker 7: Tatum hater. I will wear that hat. I will wear

1487
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:30,520
Speaker 7: the hat. I will be the spokesperson for the campaign.

1488
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:30,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1489
01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:34,120
Speaker 7: Like, I think you make a great case for Tatum

1490
01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:36,320
Speaker 7: with what he brings defensively, with how great he has

1491
01:08:36,360 --> 01:08:38,800
Speaker 7: been on the boards and how imperative that is to

1492
01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:42,720
Speaker 7: Boston's winning formula, Like without Christoph Sporzingis, Boston is kind

1493
01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:46,120
Speaker 7: of at a significant size and interior disadvantage with Horford,

1494
01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:47,880
Speaker 7: Like you need Tatum to play that role. And so

1495
01:08:48,680 --> 01:08:51,040
Speaker 7: I think he's great at those things and all the

1496
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:53,599
Speaker 7: extra things, but I just don't think Jason Tatum could

1497
01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:55,559
Speaker 7: do what Jaylen Brunston is doing right now. I don't

1498
01:08:55,560 --> 01:08:58,519
Speaker 7: think Jason Tatum could do what shake Gilges Alexander is

1499
01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:01,200
Speaker 7: doing right now. Like Saston, Tatum has such a high

1500
01:09:01,280 --> 01:09:05,360
Speaker 7: ceiling when his pull up jumper is going, and that's great,

1501
01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:08,240
Speaker 7: but I've also seen Jason Tatum's offensive floor.

1502
01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:11,240
Speaker 1: And it's a pit man, it is a big hole.

1503
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:17,040
Speaker 7: Like I just Tatum brings such a lack of offensive

1504
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:19,599
Speaker 7: consistency that I would always take Brunton and Sga over

1505
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:21,800
Speaker 7: them because I can just count on these guys to

1506
01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:26,679
Speaker 7: consistently deliver. I don't trust Jason Tatum consistent to consistently deliver.

1507
01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:29,519
Speaker 7: Like he's got all the tools, he's got all the traits,

1508
01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:32,719
Speaker 7: but it's about putting it together. And SGA and Brunson

1509
01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:35,960
Speaker 7: to me clear him as number one scorers and number

1510
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:39,680
Speaker 7: one playmakers and I just value their offensive skill sets

1511
01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:41,799
Speaker 7: more than Tatum. I don't know why you guys are surprised,

1512
01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:45,280
Speaker 7: Like I had Tatum outside of my top ten players playoffs.

1513
01:09:45,360 --> 01:09:46,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, like I'm not.

1514
01:09:46,280 --> 01:09:50,800
Speaker 5: Tatum is hotly, It's not a big gap for me.

1515
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:54,360
Speaker 5: Like I do view Tatum more highly as an overall

1516
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:57,080
Speaker 5: basketball player. However, what Brunson is doing right now is

1517
01:09:57,200 --> 01:09:59,280
Speaker 5: ridiculous and there's nothing.

1518
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:02,240
Speaker 6: Fluky about it. I compare them, I don't know.

1519
01:10:02,240 --> 01:10:05,200
Speaker 5: Six weeks ago maybe, or really he and this whole

1520
01:10:05,240 --> 01:10:08,920
Speaker 5: next team to being very iverson and early two thousand

1521
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:10,760
Speaker 5: and six ers esque, and that you have this team

1522
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:14,360
Speaker 5: that is built on high effort, defensive minded guys. It's different,

1523
01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:16,080
Speaker 5: of course, because now it's twenty twenty four and most

1524
01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:17,880
Speaker 5: of these dudes can shoot, but you have no other

1525
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:20,720
Speaker 5: shot creators, and you have this small guard who has

1526
01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:24,440
Speaker 5: to bear a ridiculous offensive burden, and it's not possible

1527
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:28,520
Speaker 5: to be super efficient under those circumstances. Like Jalen, Brunson's

1528
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:32,120
Speaker 5: true shooting percentage is fifty four in these playoffs, well

1529
01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:34,080
Speaker 5: below the average. There's no question he has been one

1530
01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:37,280
Speaker 5: of the best offensive engines because he is the only

1531
01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:38,800
Speaker 5: reliable shot creator.

1532
01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:38,840
Speaker 6: And my gun.

1533
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:41,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, none of them are shots of offense. Yeah, none

1534
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:43,800
Speaker 3: of them are bad shots because they literally need hit.

1535
01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:46,200
Speaker 2: Like if he takes a tough traundateaway, You're like, that's

1536
01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:48,960
Speaker 2: the highest value shot they can get on this possession.

1537
01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:51,439
Speaker 2: And then honestly, like most of one of the things

1538
01:10:51,439 --> 01:10:53,639
Speaker 2: that you're hitting there too, with the fifty four percent

1539
01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:57,639
Speaker 2: for shooting percentage, it's being amplified by offensive rebounding because

1540
01:10:57,640 --> 01:10:59,400
Speaker 2: he's just getting so many additional attempts.

1541
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:00,400
Speaker 6: That's true.

1542
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:02,679
Speaker 5: So what I think is really interesting about the Brunton

1543
01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:05,880
Speaker 5: Tatum dynamic is like there's no question that both of

1544
01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:09,720
Speaker 5: them is very much engineered for their current situation. Like

1545
01:11:10,360 --> 01:11:13,240
Speaker 5: Jason Tatum is never going to need to carry the

1546
01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:16,160
Speaker 5: offensive burden that Jalen Brunson does as a scorer, as

1547
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:19,000
Speaker 5: a creator, him being such a strong part of that

1548
01:11:19,080 --> 01:11:22,600
Speaker 5: connected elite when they're dialed in defense, that's what the

1549
01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:26,599
Speaker 5: Boston Celtics need. Whereas I think if Jason Tatum were

1550
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:28,840
Speaker 5: on the New York Knicks, like you would not be

1551
01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:32,320
Speaker 5: seeing the level of offensive production that you're getting from

1552
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:35,840
Speaker 5: Jalen Brunson. So that one is legitimately tough to me

1553
01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:38,600
Speaker 5: but when I think about the ceiling of configuring a

1554
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:41,280
Speaker 5: team around either one of them, I do think it's

1555
01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:44,719
Speaker 5: a little bit higher with Tatum, just marginally so, because

1556
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:49,519
Speaker 5: of course Brunson's doing this under difficult circumstances, but he's

1557
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:52,519
Speaker 5: never going to be like the most efficient offensive number

1558
01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:54,480
Speaker 5: one because of some of his size limitations.

1559
01:11:54,479 --> 01:11:55,440
Speaker 6: He's incredible.

1560
01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:58,120
Speaker 5: And then it is like the gap in the two

1561
01:11:58,160 --> 01:12:00,479
Speaker 5: way impact and Jason Tatum being one of the best

1562
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:02,760
Speaker 5: rebounders in these playoffs. And by the way, that's part

1563
01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:04,800
Speaker 5: of the reason that I go SGA over Bruntson. It's

1564
01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:07,200
Speaker 5: not purely about the offensive impact. It's not to say

1565
01:12:07,200 --> 01:12:09,600
Speaker 5: that Brunton is bad defensively. We all know he's a

1566
01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:13,439
Speaker 5: champion charge taker, but like SGA is making impactful plays

1567
01:12:13,439 --> 01:12:16,400
Speaker 5: as a help or he's averaging like over three stocks

1568
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:18,920
Speaker 5: a game, like he's not all world there, but he's

1569
01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:22,000
Speaker 5: legitimately quite good. And I think that that's where the

1570
01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:23,240
Speaker 5: gap is as much as anything.

1571
01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:25,120
Speaker 3: This was fun.

1572
01:12:25,400 --> 01:12:27,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, one last thing I want to hit just on

1573
01:12:27,439 --> 01:12:30,240
Speaker 2: the Tatum thing, Like, I let's not forget it that

1574
01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:33,160
Speaker 2: he does play one of the most important positions athletically

1575
01:12:33,200 --> 01:12:35,400
Speaker 2: in the league, which is like that big forward, Like,

1576
01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:38,120
Speaker 2: this is the guy that's responsible for low man responsibilities

1577
01:12:38,120 --> 01:12:39,200
Speaker 2: a lot of the time. This is the guy that

1578
01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:40,840
Speaker 2: has to clean up the defensive glass a lot of

1579
01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:42,880
Speaker 2: the time. This is the guy that has to usually

1580
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:45,840
Speaker 2: staying with a larger post player. Yeah, exactly, And so

1581
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:50,800
Speaker 2: like I think that like we again, I believe. I

1582
01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:53,720
Speaker 2: think I believe truly everything I said about as it

1583
01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:56,640
Speaker 2: pertains to Tatum. I think that ants ceiling is a

1584
01:12:56,640 --> 01:12:59,040
Speaker 2: pull up jump shooter in his first step are just

1585
01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:03,160
Speaker 2: gonna be what a to enter into conversations both currently

1586
01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:05,640
Speaker 2: and all time that Tatum is kind of incapable of

1587
01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:09,519
Speaker 2: entering into that said, like, focusing on the scoring is

1588
01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:12,200
Speaker 2: just one small part of what Jason Tatum does. And

1589
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:15,439
Speaker 2: as much as he's been frustrating and plateauing as a

1590
01:13:15,439 --> 01:13:17,720
Speaker 2: pull up shooter and as an efficient scorer, especially in

1591
01:13:17,720 --> 01:13:22,240
Speaker 2: the postsetting or in the postseason setting, his overall impact

1592
01:13:22,280 --> 01:13:24,479
Speaker 2: has been ascending. In my opinion, I thought the end

1593
01:13:24,479 --> 01:13:27,160
Speaker 2: of that game against Cleveland last night was one of

1594
01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:29,679
Speaker 2: his best moments as an NBA player in the sense

1595
01:13:29,680 --> 01:13:34,360
Speaker 2: that like he just looked like the old savvy like

1596
01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:38,240
Speaker 2: it reminded me of like Lebron where it's like he's

1597
01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:41,240
Speaker 2: not doing anything stupid other than just looking the direction

1598
01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:43,840
Speaker 2: the defense is leaning and throwing basic swing and skip

1599
01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:46,840
Speaker 2: passes that set guys up for success. And so I

1600
01:13:46,920 --> 01:13:49,360
Speaker 2: just want to make sure that Tatum gets the appropriate

1601
01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:52,120
Speaker 2: level of respect that he deserves that goes beyond just

1602
01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:54,519
Speaker 2: the scoring piece. All right, before we get out of here, guys,

1603
01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:56,080
Speaker 2: why don't you tell me a little bit about what

1604
01:13:56,120 --> 01:13:58,200
Speaker 2: you're working on over at the nerd Sets channel. Everybody

1605
01:13:58,240 --> 01:14:00,519
Speaker 2: who's tuned in tonight, make sure you guys head over

1606
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Speaker 2: there and hit that subscribe button for them. They're doing

1607
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:04,840
Speaker 2: a bunch of really cool stuff. Carson's going to tell

1608
01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:05,519
Speaker 2: you about it right now.

1609
01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:08,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, So we are at nerd Sash.

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01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:10,960
Speaker 5: First of all, of course, appreciate you having us on

1611
01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:13,439
Speaker 5: as always, Jason, a bunch of fun. Very glad that

1612
01:14:13,479 --> 01:14:15,439
Speaker 5: you added that segment. Also the top five players that

1613
01:14:15,479 --> 01:14:19,559
Speaker 5: was fun fun. I thought that was great. So yeah,

1614
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:23,080
Speaker 5: follow us at nerd Sash on YouTube. We are doing

1615
01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:26,400
Speaker 5: almost nightly shows. We're reacting to a bunch of these games.

1616
01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:28,439
Speaker 5: We're actually gonna take tomorrow night off, but then we'll

1617
01:14:28,479 --> 01:14:30,960
Speaker 5: be back on Saturday. On top of that, you can

1618
01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:33,240
Speaker 5: watch all of our shows on our YouTube page. We

1619
01:14:33,320 --> 01:14:37,919
Speaker 5: also are doing some in depth video breakdown film driven content.

1620
01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:40,280
Speaker 5: I just made a video about why Yoki is the

1621
01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:42,360
Speaker 5: best score on the planet right before they lost by

1622
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:44,439
Speaker 5: forty five, so go check that one out.

1623
01:14:45,080 --> 01:14:49,760
Speaker 6: Beautiful timing by me, O, my, and Yeah.

1624
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Speaker 5: You can follow us across social media if you want,

1625
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Speaker 5: Instagram and TikTok at Nerd, sash, Twitter, at nerd, Underscore, sesh.

1626
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Speaker 5: We do a bunch of trivia content there on top

1627
01:14:58,160 --> 01:15:00,200
Speaker 5: of posting some clips from the show to get more

1628
01:15:00,240 --> 01:15:02,640
Speaker 5: of our analysis, so that pretty much covers it.

1629
01:15:03,720 --> 01:15:06,680
Speaker 2: Thank you guys seriously for taking the time tonight. I know,

1630
01:15:06,880 --> 01:15:09,519
Speaker 2: short notice, but when we get a team losing by

1631
01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:12,400
Speaker 2: fifty in the playoffs, it's no longer no longer makes

1632
01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:13,720
Speaker 2: sense for me to get up here and talk to

1633
01:15:13,840 --> 01:15:16,639
Speaker 2: x's and o's about what's going on. So I appreciate

1634
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:18,960
Speaker 2: you guys taking the time out of your night to

1635
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:21,920
Speaker 2: make this happen. All of you guys supporting the show obviously,

1636
01:15:22,040 --> 01:15:23,720
Speaker 2: it means the world to me that you guys keep

1637
01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:26,360
Speaker 2: rocking with us as we get through this playoff run. Again,

1638
01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:27,960
Speaker 2: it means a lot to me as well. If you

1639
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Speaker 2: guys head over to nerd Session and subscribe and support

1640
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Speaker 2: those guys are doing great work over there. That's all

1641
01:15:32,240 --> 01:15:34,400
Speaker 2: we have for tonight. I may or may not do

1642
01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:36,040
Speaker 2: something with film in the morning. We'll see how I

1643
01:15:36,040 --> 01:15:38,760
Speaker 2: feel when I wake up. And then we're for sure

1644
01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:41,240
Speaker 2: going live after the final buzzer of Nick Pacers Game six,

1645
01:15:41,240 --> 01:15:42,000
Speaker 2: so I will see you guys.

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Speaker 1: Then the volume