WEBVTT - Flewed Out Fascist with Mayor Ras Baraka 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:03.120 Native lamdpod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership with 0:00:03.240 --> 0:00:04.640 Recent Choice Media. 0:00:04.800 --> 0:00:07.520 Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. 0:00:07.200 --> 0:00:10.320 Welcome, Welcome home. Y'all. This is episode seventy nine of 0:00:10.400 --> 0:00:13.360 Native Lampod where we give it to you straight, no chaser. 0:00:13.960 --> 0:00:16.560 I am here as your host and with my fellow 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:19.360 co host, I'm Tiffany Cross here with Angela Rye, who's 0:00:19.400 --> 0:00:22.320 running late but she will join us shortly. And Andrew 0:00:22.520 --> 0:00:25.960 Gillham and I'm not running it. You're not running late, Andrew. 0:00:25.960 --> 0:00:29.520 How you feeling, I'm good, I'm good friend, Good to 0:00:29.560 --> 0:00:30.320 see you you too. 0:00:30.560 --> 0:00:31.760 What they serving a Denny's did it? 0:00:32.120 --> 0:00:34.640 Very funny? So Andrew is trying to say, it looks 0:00:34.680 --> 0:00:38.320 like I'm in a Denny's background, but I'm actually in 0:00:38.400 --> 0:00:41.920 a DJ booth in a pretty cool location by the way. 0:00:42.120 --> 0:00:44.360 But before we even get too deep into that, what 0:00:44.400 --> 0:00:51.000 we're talking about today, oh Frian, Oh friend, I know that, okay. 0:00:51.040 --> 0:00:54.440 So basically Andrew is saying that because what we're going 0:00:54.520 --> 0:00:56.800 to get into today, and y'all brace yourselves, as we've 0:00:56.800 --> 0:01:04.040 been here before, is government retaliation. So we're going to 0:01:04.080 --> 0:01:08.319 be talking about government corruption, which Andrew, you know about 0:01:08.400 --> 0:01:12.240 government retaliation. Uh, I think they're acting corrupt as they're 0:01:12.240 --> 0:01:16.880 going after people. I'm really excited that we exactly really 0:01:16.920 --> 0:01:20.399 excited that we have Mayor ros Baraka, who is also 0:01:20.480 --> 0:01:23.399 running for governor of New Jersey. So when Angela gets here, 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:26.160 she'll tell us more about securing him as a guest. 0:01:26.240 --> 0:01:29.920 But you guys perhaps saw this week that he had 0:01:29.959 --> 0:01:38.480 a tussle, he was arrested essentially by ICE agents, right right, targeted. 0:01:38.920 --> 0:01:45.640 Targeted is probably a more and with more intention to 0:01:45.680 --> 0:01:48.560 say that that happened to him, which is awful. So 0:01:48.760 --> 0:01:51.279 I don't know. It's just making me really uncomfortable, Andrew, 0:01:51.320 --> 0:01:54.919 to be honest with you, because it feels like people 0:01:54.960 --> 0:02:00.000 are waiting for some imaginary line for this government to cross, 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:03.040 and that line has been crossed already. And I wonder 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:04.720 like people have to show up to your house and 0:02:04.800 --> 0:02:06.640 drag you out for you to say, oh shit, this 0:02:06.720 --> 0:02:07.760 is a serious problem. 0:02:08.760 --> 0:02:11.040 You're close to it, Tiffany, you're close to I think 0:02:11.040 --> 0:02:13.600 what has to happen, which is it's one thing to 0:02:13.639 --> 0:02:16.040 see it on television. It's one thing to see a 0:02:16.080 --> 0:02:21.440 doctoral student who simply co signed a not even physically signed, 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:24.560 just basically say what they said to the student Senate, 0:02:24.760 --> 0:02:27.680 the elected student representation who passes a resolution, and she 0:02:27.720 --> 0:02:31.640 says that's good, and what do they do. They ghost 0:02:31.639 --> 0:02:34.120 her right off the streets. And so it's one thing 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:37.640 to watch it. It's a whole nother thing entirely to 0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:40.200 experience it. And I don't think folks are going to 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:42.680 I don't think it will hit them over the head 0:02:43.480 --> 0:02:45.560 like it's hit us over the head until you are 0:02:45.600 --> 0:02:51.920 in close proximity to the government taking similar actions against 0:02:51.960 --> 0:02:54.680 you or somebody you care about. I'm convinced of it, 0:02:55.240 --> 0:02:59.040 just because otherwise we would have all been abhorred by 0:02:59.080 --> 0:03:01.360 what we've seen, all of us would have taken to 0:03:01.400 --> 0:03:06.120 the streets based off of what we saw happen, excuse 0:03:06.160 --> 0:03:10.520 me in Massachusetts over at Tuffs, but we didn't. We 0:03:10.600 --> 0:03:15.840 didn't because it wasn't us. It makes me, it makes 0:03:15.880 --> 0:03:20.240 me fearful for all of us, but it also makes 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:26.160 me mostly concerned for everyday people, regular Americans, who are 0:03:26.560 --> 0:03:29.400 not noticing what is exceptional about this moment. And I 0:03:29.400 --> 0:03:34.360 don't use the term exceptional as a positive. Exceptionally bad 0:03:34.840 --> 0:03:36.520 is what we're experiencing. You know. 0:03:36.680 --> 0:03:39.840 I'm curious because we'll talk about this more when the 0:03:39.840 --> 0:03:44.120 mayor joins us. But the very issue why he was 0:03:44.160 --> 0:03:48.200 even there to protest is that there was this private 0:03:48.280 --> 0:03:51.520 prison there that is not regulated, and he was there 0:03:51.560 --> 0:03:53.600 to investigate. As the mayor of his city. He was 0:03:53.640 --> 0:03:57.000 there to investigate, to look into it in this private 0:03:57.080 --> 0:04:03.000 prison where they are housing undie documented migrants and so. 0:04:03.720 --> 0:04:06.200 And I actually think he was looking into the fact 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:08.800 that it is not I don't believe it has achieved 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:12.160 the necessary licensing. Now we can ask him, of course. 0:04:12.200 --> 0:04:15.560 My guess is is that over any building that goes 0:04:15.640 --> 0:04:21.800 up in Newark that the mayor and council and their 0:04:21.880 --> 0:04:25.599 staff have a sayer over whether you're meeting code, did 0:04:25.640 --> 0:04:28.440 you meet fire code, did you meet building inspections and 0:04:28.520 --> 0:04:32.040 other codes. Now I could be wrong because I haven't 0:04:32.040 --> 0:04:33.920 gained this from him directly, but we can, of course 0:04:33.960 --> 0:04:36.960 ask today. But if the mayor's job is to ensure 0:04:37.000 --> 0:04:40.240 that every building that stands in his community is safe 0:04:40.320 --> 0:04:44.160 to occupy for business, then it seems to me he 0:04:44.200 --> 0:04:46.720 would have been well within his right. He or his 0:04:46.760 --> 0:04:50.200 code enforcement officials well within the right to not only 0:04:50.240 --> 0:04:53.520 be at the premises but in the premises to ensure 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:58.200 that they are complying with local, state, and federal law, 0:04:59.040 --> 0:05:00.599 but very specifically. 0:05:00.520 --> 0:05:04.080 Right, and as a former mayor yourself, you know all 0:05:04.120 --> 0:05:08.720 too well the responsibility he has. But I also if 0:05:08.720 --> 0:05:11.679 we're at the point in this country where we're arresting mayors, 0:05:12.080 --> 0:05:14.600 you know, I just where do we go from here? 0:05:14.839 --> 0:05:17.640 And I think the point I was trying to get 0:05:17.680 --> 0:05:22.560 to earlier is the idea that there are way too 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:24.960 many of us in our community, in the black community, 0:05:24.960 --> 0:05:28.120 who said, well, that's who they voted for, So you know, 0:05:28.440 --> 0:05:31.080 I'm minding my black business. That ain't it? 0:05:31.320 --> 0:05:31.440 Like? 0:05:31.520 --> 0:05:31.680 That? 0:05:31.800 --> 0:05:32.400 Is not it? 0:05:33.120 --> 0:05:35.320 Number one? I think we have to have a little 0:05:35.360 --> 0:05:40.039 more intellectual curiosity about the voter data. Too often we 0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:44.400 are spoon fed and narrative by lazy ass reporters from 0:05:44.440 --> 0:05:48.080 mainstream media who have not disaggregated this data. When you 0:05:48.120 --> 0:05:51.560 look at the different communities, particularly in the Latino community, 0:05:51.600 --> 0:05:55.359 there is no community of color who voted overwhelmingly for 0:05:55.560 --> 0:06:00.919 Donald Trump. Every community of color voted overwhelmingly for Kamala 0:06:00.960 --> 0:06:04.720 Harris in the Latino community. When you disaggregate, because again 0:06:04.800 --> 0:06:06.560 the white man came along and said, all of y'all 0:06:06.600 --> 0:06:09.560 qualify as Hispanics we're putting all of you all in 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:12.880 that category. But in truth, these are people from different 0:06:12.920 --> 0:06:15.640 countries of origin, different backgrounds. It's like if they said, 0:06:15.680 --> 0:06:18.239 all of y'all, you know black folks are the same, 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:22.560 and you have somebody from you know, Tallahassee, you got 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:26.040 somebody from the Dirty South, somebody from you got somebody 0:06:26.040 --> 0:06:29.280 from Jamaica, and somebody from Kenya. You got you know, 0:06:29.400 --> 0:06:32.760 the black Brits, a black Parisian, and all of us 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:35.680 are supposed to represent one and I think we have 0:06:35.760 --> 0:06:38.560 to have we just have to look at this a 0:06:38.560 --> 0:06:43.000 bit differently. And so, yes, the Trump administration was able 0:06:43.080 --> 0:06:47.440 to make inroads among Latino men where he was able 0:06:47.480 --> 0:06:50.440 to peel off a significant portion of Latino men to 0:06:50.560 --> 0:06:53.520 vote for him. Once we acknowledge that, then we have 0:06:53.600 --> 0:06:58.120 to look at the rampant disinformation campaigns that were running 0:06:58.400 --> 0:07:01.680 in Spanish language to that community. We also have to 0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:05.720 acknowledge the anti black sentiment that exists in all communities, 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:11.200 even black communities sometimes okay black, but communities everywhere. So yes, 0:07:11.280 --> 0:07:14.800 I hear the outrage, I understand it all, but I 0:07:14.960 --> 0:07:18.120 just want to say, when you look at who, then 0:07:18.200 --> 0:07:21.360 people's understanding of socialism you know, if you have fled 0:07:21.400 --> 0:07:24.920 a socialist country, you don't necessarily understand the nuance difference 0:07:25.000 --> 0:07:29.440 when American politicians are saying things about socialism. But even 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:32.520 when you it's like somebody saying, you know, if something 0:07:32.600 --> 0:07:36.560 happened to a black man, it's like, well, he didn't 0:07:36.600 --> 0:07:38.400 vote for Kamala, and it's like no, that was the 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:41.280 narrative that the mainstream media was trying to feed you all. 0:07:41.520 --> 0:07:44.960 But we knew that, ain't it. Black men are overwhelmingly 0:07:45.040 --> 0:07:47.360 voting for Kamala Harris. But again, he was able to 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:49.880 make certain in roads with a small sect of black 0:07:49.920 --> 0:07:54.000 men a larger sect of Latino men. My point in 0:07:54.040 --> 0:07:57.920 saying all this is I'm sounding the alarm because if 0:07:58.000 --> 0:08:01.240 you're sitting on the sideline saying this ain't my problem, 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:03.680 my mind, in my black business, where do you think 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:06.239 they're going next? Do you think they're going to stop? 0:08:07.080 --> 0:08:07.320 Right? 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:08.480 They right? 0:08:08.640 --> 0:08:10.600 That's a good point I'm saying, going and you're right 0:08:10.600 --> 0:08:13.440 and correcting me saying they are here. If they are 0:08:14.200 --> 0:08:17.160 disappearing people who don't look like us, do you think 0:08:17.200 --> 0:08:19.920 they're going to stop at us? Like this? Quite frankly 0:08:20.080 --> 0:08:20.920 is our collective. 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:27.240 They've been disappearing us. Right, this is not know this story. 0:08:26.840 --> 0:08:29.320 This whole thing that we've never seen this, we've seen 0:08:29.320 --> 0:08:31.080 this before, like we we know. 0:08:31.280 --> 0:08:34.280 If you're so, you're so right. And I guess for 0:08:34.360 --> 0:08:37.000 me it's I don't care about the data and who 0:08:37.120 --> 0:08:40.000 voted for whom in this regard he was elected, Okay, 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:44.640 But just because you get elected, you don't own the Constitution. 0:08:45.400 --> 0:08:50.400 The Constitution is a predecessor to you by centuries, not 0:08:50.480 --> 0:08:52.520 as many as a lot of Americans like to walk 0:08:52.520 --> 0:08:55.839 around here thinking we are, but by centuries. The Constitution 0:08:55.960 --> 0:08:58.360 predates you and has been attempted to have been made 0:08:58.360 --> 0:09:01.880 more perfect along the way. It will, hopefully if we 0:09:02.000 --> 0:09:05.320 do our job. As the framer said, a republic, if 0:09:05.360 --> 0:09:08.080 you can keep it well. Part of keeping it is 0:09:08.120 --> 0:09:11.640 making sure this man doesn't run away with the Constitution 0:09:11.920 --> 0:09:15.040 flanking himself in it, as if that means he can't 0:09:15.040 --> 0:09:20.200 be a complete destroyer of it. And that's what we're 0:09:20.200 --> 0:09:24.040 seeing right now. So yes, they elected him, sure, but 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:28.280 guess what, there are some fabled and some staid documents 0:09:28.920 --> 0:09:33.360 that actually outlasts who the individual occupant is of the office, 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:38.079 and based off that by itself, No, you don't get 0:09:38.080 --> 0:09:41.280 to rough run, shot run, rough shot over my rights. 0:09:41.600 --> 0:09:44.040 My rights were here before you those that I have, 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:46.920 and I hope the game more in the future. But 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:49.800 right now, what you're not gonna do is you're not 0:09:49.880 --> 0:09:52.240 about to rip them away from me and watch me 0:09:52.400 --> 0:09:54.680 act on like a bystander as if I don't have 0:09:54.720 --> 0:09:57.160 a say in the thing. We do have a say, 0:09:57.200 --> 0:10:00.280 and it requires us standing up. The Framers were smart 0:10:00.360 --> 0:10:02.560 to say if you can keep it, because it puts 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:06.120 the responsibility back on us as voters, as citizens. Forget 0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:09.959 voters as citizens, it's to hold them to account. It's 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:10.480 a higher call. 0:10:10.520 --> 0:10:13.360 We can't keep it. I mean, that's the conclusion. We 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:17.040 cannot keep it, and I that doesn't mean that we 0:10:17.080 --> 0:10:19.600 don't fight, but we can't keep it. But I'm curious 0:10:19.600 --> 0:10:24.840 your thoughts, Andrew, when it comes to this attitude of people, 0:10:25.280 --> 0:10:28.760 you know, like just shoulders shrugg Well, the Palestindians had, 0:10:28.920 --> 0:10:31.280 you know, their protests vote in Michigan, so I'm not 0:10:31.320 --> 0:10:33.720 gonna get in that fight, and Latinos voted for Trump. 0:10:33.720 --> 0:10:35.480 I'm not gonna get in that fight when the data 0:10:35.520 --> 0:10:37.960 just doesn't support any of that. But I do understand 0:10:38.040 --> 0:10:40.120 the frustration, but to me. It feels like the white 0:10:40.120 --> 0:10:41.880 man sitting back laughing at all of this while we're 0:10:41.880 --> 0:10:45.280 in fighting. We're barely fourteen percent of the population. This 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:48.240 is not a battle that can be won without allies, 0:10:48.480 --> 0:10:51.560 and allies are made, they are not born. So I 0:10:51.679 --> 0:10:54.400 do think this is a collective fight, not as some 0:10:54.600 --> 0:10:58.120 self sacrificial lambs in service to a country that harms us, 0:10:58.480 --> 0:11:03.960 but in self serving people who understand I cannot battle 0:11:04.480 --> 0:11:08.880 this goliath of a corrupt United States government that has 0:11:09.000 --> 0:11:12.440 already fall into a dictator. I cannot battle it and 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:16.040 survive it by myself. But what do we say to 0:11:16.080 --> 0:11:19.040 people to convey that message? Because every time we post something, 0:11:19.080 --> 0:11:22.959 a lot of the comments on NLP, on our socials, 0:11:22.960 --> 0:11:25.440 on YouTube, a lot of it is like, well, that 0:11:25.480 --> 0:11:28.240 ain't my fight, And it's really disheartening because it's like 0:11:28.280 --> 0:11:30.240 it's gonna be. It is your fight, you just don't 0:11:30.280 --> 0:11:30.720 know it yet. 0:11:31.679 --> 0:11:37.640 Anyone who draws that conclusion is a ghost walking. You're 0:11:37.679 --> 0:11:41.160 not living in this real, lived, you know life that 0:11:41.200 --> 0:11:45.320 you and I are experiencing right now. Because if I 0:11:45.360 --> 0:11:50.720 know Black folk better than nearly any people, they understand 0:11:51.320 --> 0:11:54.920 that when the worst is done to a group, unlike 0:11:55.040 --> 0:11:58.240 us that whatever is coming our way is going to 0:11:58.320 --> 0:12:01.480 be multiples worse they You know, we used to grow 0:12:01.520 --> 0:12:03.760 up with the saying, if America catches a cold, black 0:12:03.800 --> 0:12:06.520 people catch you know, the flu. Now we can say 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:07.280 ko covid. 0:12:08.040 --> 0:12:08.240 Right. 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:12.200 But but but in truth, I don't know that we 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:15.199 have I don't know that we have the shorthand language 0:12:15.200 --> 0:12:22.440 to describe how overwhelmingly negatively impacted we are when the 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:27.200 country turns fascists, when the nation turns more racist, when 0:12:27.200 --> 0:12:30.520 the racist, when the when the nation headed by Donald 0:12:30.559 --> 0:12:35.880 Trump turns against white people and us. Yeah, just know 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:38.680 that whatever is about to be served up to us 0:12:38.800 --> 0:12:41.840 is going to be multiples worse of what everyone else 0:12:41.880 --> 0:12:43.840 is getting. And the reason why I included, you know, 0:12:44.559 --> 0:12:47.079 a white majority in that and that example, Tiffany, is 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:50.839 because the white majority is experiencing the ebbs and flow 0:12:51.040 --> 0:12:55.520 of Trump's terror, crayon battle whatever he thinks he's his 0:12:55.720 --> 0:12:58.960 his barbies. Maybe this year your kid instead of getting 0:12:59.000 --> 0:13:01.160 many barbies, they get to now he about to take 0:13:01.160 --> 0:13:04.280 a four hundred thous four hundred million dollar playing but 0:13:04.280 --> 0:13:08.240 but for free, as as a sitting president, you know, 0:13:08.320 --> 0:13:13.720 be damned monuments the moment. But in this case, I'm like, 0:13:13.960 --> 0:13:14.880 I got an. 0:13:15.800 --> 0:13:17.760 I said it, you would have clown me. But I'm 0:13:17.760 --> 0:13:18.400 going to be mentioned. 0:13:18.440 --> 0:13:21.920 I got there. I got there with a little help. 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:26.000 But you know, can you just take a quick second 0:13:26.000 --> 0:13:30.200 and explain the emoluments clause you want to, But I just. 0:13:30.080 --> 0:13:35.239 Want what Tiffany just said. That word right there, monuments 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:39.439 is the is at the very beginning our constitution calling 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:42.360 out the fact that you cannot take gifts from a 0:13:42.480 --> 0:13:48.040 foreign power. In fact, presidents should not take gifts. Uh. Period. 0:13:48.120 --> 0:13:51.840 Neither Supreme Court justices if I were being completely honest. 0:13:52.920 --> 0:13:53.079 Uh. 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:57.360 But but the folks in Saudi the Far East and 0:13:57.400 --> 0:13:59.920 the Middle East, what they know well is they know 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:04.920 Donald Trump's language well, and that language is a language 0:14:05.120 --> 0:14:11.080 of uplift, of flattery, of complementing, of flatter. Better word, 0:14:11.760 --> 0:14:16.920 the flattery, the gifts, the the the exertions that you 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:19.720 make that remind them of their station, or at least 0:14:19.720 --> 0:14:20.400 the perception of. 0:14:20.360 --> 0:14:24.520 This we got a president has been flued out basically 0:14:24.840 --> 0:14:27.600 by the Qataris. And the fact of the matter is 0:14:27.640 --> 0:14:32.120 Pam Bondy of this country's US Attorney General, has advised 0:14:32.160 --> 0:14:34.440 him that legally he can accept this because they're trying 0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:36.400 to do it under the guise of it's a donation 0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:39.280 to the Department of Defense. I don't believe for one second, 0:14:39.360 --> 0:14:42.640 if this president should ever voluntarily leave office, I don't 0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:44.520 believe for one second that he's going to leave this 0:14:44.560 --> 0:14:47.240 plush ass plane behind. We should also point out that 0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:52.640 Pam Bondi, before taking this role, previously lobbied for the country, 0:14:53.440 --> 0:14:56.600 right exactly, so I yeah. 0:14:56.760 --> 0:14:59.080 And she's also the personal you show you you gave 0:14:59.120 --> 0:15:02.920 her a prom the US Attorney general. She is clearly 0:15:03.000 --> 0:15:07.800 the personal attorney for Donald Trump. Guys, yes, and the 0:15:08.000 --> 0:15:10.520 and the and and and the description of attorney general. 0:15:10.560 --> 0:15:13.960 But the Attorney's General is America's attorney But all she 0:15:14.040 --> 0:15:15.440 seems to do is cap for him. 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:18.560 It's frightening and this but this is what I mean, Andrew, 0:15:18.560 --> 0:15:21.200 because all of these things are kind of over a 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:23.760 lot of people's heads, you know, like, I'm not waking 0:15:23.880 --> 0:15:28.480 up panic because Donald Trump took a plane from Qatar. 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:31.720 I'm not, you know, in a panic because he seems 0:15:31.720 --> 0:15:34.920 to be personally profiting off of his Middle East trip. 0:15:35.240 --> 0:15:38.800 All of those things seem like distant problems. And I 0:15:38.880 --> 0:15:42.320 think that people will start paying attention when this problem 0:15:42.360 --> 0:15:45.400 knocks on your front door. What they don't understand is 0:15:45.680 --> 0:15:49.320 that problem is here, like like knocking that right now. 0:15:49.440 --> 0:15:52.520 That problem is knocking at your front door. When they 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:56.080 talk about the Medicaid all of it, you know you 0:15:56.240 --> 0:15:59.320 have been impacted by it. I embracing myself to be 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:02.560 impacted by they're looking at SNAP benefits. I think about 0:16:02.600 --> 0:16:05.440 the people in my family who get SNAP. I mean 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:09.480 they're real tangible things. The cuts to NIH, people will 0:16:09.520 --> 0:16:12.280 die if they haven't already. Somebody should be I hope 0:16:12.280 --> 0:16:15.120 a journalist projects and one of these j schools need 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:17.960 to keep a running tab on how many deaths this president. 0:16:18.120 --> 0:16:20.880 You can start with COVID, you can start from twenty sixteen. 0:16:21.120 --> 0:16:25.160 How many deaths this president is responsible for at this point. 0:16:25.400 --> 0:16:29.440 Yeah, I'm scare. Yeah, if you said something and I 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:33.000 didn't want to let that thread go, which was people 0:16:33.480 --> 0:16:37.000 don't understand, you know, when they see the four hundred 0:16:37.040 --> 0:16:40.360 million dollar jet going, I would beg to offer that 0:16:40.480 --> 0:16:43.160 people do no grift when they see it, they see 0:16:43.240 --> 0:16:47.400 him grifting. The problem is is that people's opinions of 0:16:47.400 --> 0:16:51.400 what politicians are and what they do is has been 0:16:51.440 --> 0:16:55.000 reshaped and frankly reshaped and in many ways by Donald Trump. 0:16:55.000 --> 0:16:56.960 But I won't put that solely at his feet because 0:16:56.960 --> 0:17:00.440 they've been corrupt people before. But they see him acting ruptly, 0:17:00.560 --> 0:17:04.960 they see him as as as a felon in the 0:17:04.960 --> 0:17:09.480 White House, and so things that run up against law, 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:12.560 you know, become gray. Used to be black and white. Now, 0:17:12.600 --> 0:17:14.440 by the way, if it were me, it's going to 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:16.159 be black or white. If it were you, it's going 0:17:16.200 --> 0:17:18.840 to be black or white. But he gets the grace 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:22.640 of gray, right, so they just they suspend with it. 0:17:23.200 --> 0:17:26.359 So I think our job becomes not letting it go. 0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:28.560 I think we still have to, you know, sound the 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:31.040 trumpet on those things. But I think you're right to 0:17:31.080 --> 0:17:34.920 go in the direction of how we make the consequences 0:17:35.000 --> 0:17:37.959 plain for what you're going to experience in your everyday life. Now, 0:17:37.960 --> 0:17:40.480 you don't need me to tell you at home that 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:44.320 you can't do without Medicare you need me at home 0:17:44.440 --> 0:17:47.680 to tell you that you know? And maybe you've got 0:17:47.680 --> 0:17:50.920 personal health insurance and your kids, but think about your parents, 0:17:51.160 --> 0:17:53.640 your brothers and sisters in them, the folks that can 0:17:53.680 --> 0:17:57.240 care about who may rely on these systems to get by. 0:17:57.320 --> 0:17:59.080 What are they doing? No, they're not taking it away 0:17:59.119 --> 0:18:01.880 what they're doing is a change the criteria. And by 0:18:01.960 --> 0:18:04.720 changing that criteria, when you go in this next time 0:18:04.720 --> 0:18:07.160 and you're like, I was eligible last time. Oh no, no, no, 0:18:07.200 --> 0:18:10.560 there's an update. There's a part Z to the plan. 0:18:10.680 --> 0:18:13.399 Then Part Z says, if you have a job and 0:18:13.440 --> 0:18:17.119 you make minimum wage, nah, you don't qualify regardless how 0:18:17.160 --> 0:18:19.440 much you earned from week to week, month to month, 0:18:19.520 --> 0:18:20.200 year to year. 0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:23.280 And not just medicaid, like I said, snap benefits, like 0:18:23.359 --> 0:18:26.280 all of it. Absolutely, we're going to take a quick break, 0:18:26.359 --> 0:18:28.000 gotta pay some bills, but we're going to pick this 0:18:28.040 --> 0:18:39.960 conversation up on the other side. I do just want 0:18:40.000 --> 0:18:42.359 to say a quick little announcement that Angela is in 0:18:42.440 --> 0:18:45.280 the building, so she's going to be joining us shortly. 0:18:45.400 --> 0:18:47.439 She's caught up in New York traffic. As you guys know, 0:18:48.000 --> 0:18:53.879 the State of the People tour is happening, and yes, 0:18:53.960 --> 0:18:57.000 and so she got to be in New Jersey this 0:18:57.040 --> 0:19:00.440 week with the Mayor ROSBROCKA will be joining us shortly. 0:19:01.160 --> 0:19:02.560 So she got caught up in a little bit of 0:19:02.800 --> 0:19:05.679 New York City right on cue right, she must have 0:19:05.760 --> 0:19:11.920 heard me say her name, yes, but but the audience 0:19:11.960 --> 0:19:15.399 can see that she is at least here. Literally, I 0:19:15.440 --> 0:19:17.240 was just saying, Angela is in the building. 0:19:17.720 --> 0:19:24.160 Uh, yes, I'm so sorry. 0:19:24.240 --> 0:19:26.160 We in it, We in it. I was just saying 0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:28.359 that you were the State of the People tour is going, 0:19:28.440 --> 0:19:30.560 you're in New Jersey or you were in New Jersey 0:19:30.600 --> 0:19:34.439 this week with the mayor, and so you hit a 0:19:34.440 --> 0:19:39.040 bit of New York City traffic. So just to catch yeah, well, 0:19:39.160 --> 0:19:43.680 just to catch you up. We were just talking about surprise, 0:19:43.760 --> 0:19:50.520 surprise government corruption, Yes, and we were. We got a 0:19:50.520 --> 0:19:54.679 little bit into Donald Trump, excepting the plane from uh, 0:19:55.160 --> 0:19:59.199 the government of Qatar. Kyle or Howard say, which is 0:19:59.320 --> 0:20:02.639 ridiculous and direct violation of the monument's. 0:20:02.119 --> 0:20:06.119 Clause or a monument Andrew. 0:20:05.880 --> 0:20:08.280 I did not say. But Andrew was trying to say, Yeah, 0:20:08.320 --> 0:20:13.320 he was a violation of the monuments, all the monuments. 0:20:13.000 --> 0:20:15.399 Not just one of the monument's clause, but the. 0:20:18.000 --> 0:20:18.440 Clause. 0:20:20.680 --> 0:20:23.120 There's one thing we can there's one thing we can 0:20:23.200 --> 0:20:24.840 count on. We can count on him to be in 0:20:24.960 --> 0:20:28.879 violation at every clause. It was and wasn't he You know, 0:20:28.960 --> 0:20:32.760 this man has eighty eight indictments. Uh, well had eight 0:20:33.119 --> 0:20:36.080 eight indictments at the time he was running for president. 0:20:36.160 --> 0:20:38.840 I don't know how many they shed since then that 0:20:38.920 --> 0:20:44.520 they decided to get off. But listen here, I I 0:20:44.680 --> 0:20:47.960 just nothing surprises me anymore. And I think the frustration is, 0:20:48.040 --> 0:20:51.359 you know, when you tell kids, hey, guys, if you 0:20:51.560 --> 0:20:54.919 just follow the rules and you're you know, you do 0:20:55.040 --> 0:20:57.760 the right thing, good things will come to you. And 0:20:57.800 --> 0:20:59.800 I can't tell you how many people we meet on 0:20:59.840 --> 0:21:05.600 this tour. How many people are doing the right thing 0:21:05.680 --> 0:21:07.399 every single day and they don't get a break. 0:21:07.480 --> 0:21:10.359 But this guy, this bully, this you know again, we 0:21:10.400 --> 0:21:10.720 get I. 0:21:10.720 --> 0:21:13.119 Don't know about y'all, but I learned about put downs 0:21:13.160 --> 0:21:16.160 from Miss Lindsay in the second grade. And he can 0:21:16.240 --> 0:21:18.680 put down and he still comes up right. As it 0:21:18.720 --> 0:21:23.320 is fascinating and remarkably unfair. And when kids now say 0:21:23.359 --> 0:21:24.920 it ain't fair, what are we gonna tell them except 0:21:24.960 --> 0:21:26.320 for their right something I wanted to do. 0:21:26.800 --> 0:21:29.680 It depends on who the kids are right. Because that's 0:21:29.720 --> 0:21:32.800 the conclusion I draw about this man, is that lett 0:21:32.880 --> 0:21:35.720 none of us make the mistake of believing that we 0:21:35.760 --> 0:21:39.600 would get the same second, third, fourth, fifth chances. I 0:21:39.640 --> 0:21:41.360 mean to the point that you're making the folks you're 0:21:41.400 --> 0:21:44.240 encountering on this tour who are putting their shoulder to 0:21:44.280 --> 0:21:48.520 the wheel every day, day and day out, on off days, 0:21:48.760 --> 0:21:51.560 on breaks, if there was such a thing that they're 0:21:51.600 --> 0:21:54.440 putting it in. And we can't make sense of how 0:21:54.480 --> 0:21:56.000 it is that we end up at the back of 0:21:56.000 --> 0:21:58.719 the line every single time. But the people who are 0:21:58.760 --> 0:22:03.160 skipping the line, who are not not not taking the test, 0:22:03.200 --> 0:22:05.720 but having it taken for them, grades put in before 0:22:05.760 --> 0:22:09.080 you sit for it, you know, and and and and 0:22:09.160 --> 0:22:14.800 it seems that every advantage seems to fall their way. 0:22:15.240 --> 0:22:18.639 Didn't get away in because I wanted your opinion on this, Angela. 0:22:18.760 --> 0:22:21.040 I was saying you and I talked about it a 0:22:21.080 --> 0:22:24.440 little bit this week about all the people who the 0:22:24.760 --> 0:22:29.000 very reason that Mayor ros Broko was even at this 0:22:29.200 --> 0:22:34.800 private prison because it's a place where they are Andrew 0:22:34.800 --> 0:22:36.399 gave us great context. But it's a place where they 0:22:36.400 --> 0:22:39.359 are housing undocumented according to the government. I don't trust 0:22:39.400 --> 0:22:41.520 everything they say, but according to them, it's a place 0:22:41.520 --> 0:22:46.080 where they're housing undocumented immigrants. And I brought up the 0:22:46.119 --> 0:22:49.040 fact that we hear so many times and comments on 0:22:49.080 --> 0:22:52.040 our page and just for me in conversation with people, well, 0:22:52.119 --> 0:22:54.080 that ain't my problem my mind, in my black business. 0:22:54.080 --> 0:22:56.159 That's who they voted for our mind in my black business. 0:22:56.480 --> 0:22:58.880 And I have to remind people all the time undocumented 0:22:58.920 --> 0:23:02.360 immigrants cannot vot vote, they did not vote. And then 0:23:02.400 --> 0:23:06.560 when you look at the data, every community of color 0:23:06.640 --> 0:23:10.960 voted overwhelmingly for Kamala Harris, including the Latino community. Donald 0:23:10.960 --> 0:23:13.760 Trump was able to make inroads and gains among Latino men, 0:23:13.800 --> 0:23:16.679 but the Latino community as a whole, But even that aside, 0:23:16.960 --> 0:23:19.399 it's got to be our fight. So I'm just curious 0:23:19.400 --> 0:23:21.560 on the state of the people tour. When you encounter people, 0:23:21.600 --> 0:23:25.320 I'm sure you might hear similar things, but what is 0:23:25.359 --> 0:23:28.639 your message to people who have that attitude? 0:23:29.160 --> 0:23:31.600 You know, I'm glad you asked that. I want to 0:23:31.640 --> 0:23:37.760 give doctor David John's a plug here. Yes, David John's 0:23:37.880 --> 0:23:42.280 is running our black papers process. The black papers now, 0:23:42.359 --> 0:23:44.919 I think we have over twenty eight black papers that 0:23:44.960 --> 0:23:48.480 will be dropped throughout this tour. And just yesterday our 0:23:48.560 --> 0:23:52.600 immigration paper was released. So the Black Black Lines for 0:23:52.800 --> 0:23:56.919 Just Immigration spoke on our panel in Newark. I know 0:23:57.000 --> 0:23:59.560 I said yesterday, but what I meant to say was 0:23:59.640 --> 0:24:02.280 this week, earlier this week, as Tiffany would have us 0:24:02.320 --> 0:24:06.640 to say. And so what I think is important is that. 0:24:07.200 --> 0:24:09.399 You know, there's not a single policy area in this 0:24:09.440 --> 0:24:13.720 country that doesn't touch a black body. You know, folks 0:24:13.760 --> 0:24:16.280 are like, oh well, especially some of the folks who 0:24:16.280 --> 0:24:19.080 were just relentless on social about you. 0:24:19.040 --> 0:24:20.679 Know, well, why are we doing this? 0:24:20.880 --> 0:24:22.960 You know, we're not immigrants who were forced here, that 0:24:23.080 --> 0:24:26.399 is true, but many of us have in our lineage 0:24:26.960 --> 0:24:32.399 Haitian ancestry, Guyanese ancestry, some type of Caribbean ancestry, Afro 0:24:32.480 --> 0:24:38.440 Latino ancestry, straight from the continent ancestry, right right, Because that's. 0:24:38.280 --> 0:24:39.480 Really what that boils down to. 0:24:39.680 --> 0:24:42.119 Even when we talk about Brazil, Brazil which was the 0:24:42.280 --> 0:24:46.800 largest receiver of enslaved people in the Bellius ships. So 0:24:47.080 --> 0:24:51.240 when we think about the many layers, all the many layers, 0:24:51.280 --> 0:24:54.680 it impacts us. And even if somehow remarkably for five 0:24:54.720 --> 0:24:57.440 generations you don't have any immigrants, let's say that's the case. 0:24:58.160 --> 0:25:00.919 You have somebody in your community who you every day 0:25:00.920 --> 0:25:03.800 at the grocery store, or who drives the school bus, 0:25:04.040 --> 0:25:06.639 or who cleans the house, or who is the nanny 0:25:06.680 --> 0:25:10.600 is somebody's children, or who is a healthcare worker, or 0:25:10.600 --> 0:25:14.200 who is a construction worker, or who is an everyday 0:25:14.240 --> 0:25:16.600 citizen just mining their business walking down the block. 0:25:16.800 --> 0:25:18.000 It touches you, and. 0:25:18.000 --> 0:25:20.639 It is going to change the fabric of many people's 0:25:20.680 --> 0:25:23.640 neighborhoods in ways that they have no idea. So long 0:25:23.680 --> 0:25:25.720 as we continue to say, well, this doesn't apply to me, 0:25:25.800 --> 0:25:28.679 and maybe immigration doesn't apply to you, but these tariffs do. 0:25:29.040 --> 0:25:32.400 Maybe these tariffs don't apply to you, but how healthcare 0:25:32.520 --> 0:25:36.520 does and prescription drugs costs, Like, there's no way that this, 0:25:36.680 --> 0:25:40.359 the oppressive regime that we now find ourselves under, is 0:25:40.400 --> 0:25:42.960 not going to touch you in a very real way, 0:25:43.520 --> 0:25:46.560 especially when we say, well, the safest people that we 0:25:46.600 --> 0:25:48.080 can count on right now, we know if you're an 0:25:48.080 --> 0:25:51.440 elected office, you're in a safe place. No, not even 0:25:51.480 --> 0:25:53.760 on the soil of a you know, a private prison 0:25:54.080 --> 0:25:57.240 right on the outside. Mayor res was on the outside 0:25:57.280 --> 0:25:59.199 and now we're gonna hear from him, but on the 0:25:59.280 --> 0:26:04.040 outside of this prison and on city land, and they 0:26:04.119 --> 0:26:06.400 still found a way to say that he was trespassing. 0:26:06.680 --> 0:26:10.760 There are people who they are holding in in that 0:26:11.200 --> 0:26:16.119 private prison who are allegedly in violation of their immigration status. 0:26:16.560 --> 0:26:19.040 They are painting it out. Do you guys remember that 0:26:19.080 --> 0:26:22.440 show America's Most Wanted. 0:26:23.000 --> 0:26:25.240 I was a producer on that show. Yes, I remember 0:26:25.280 --> 0:26:25.840 it very much. 0:26:26.040 --> 0:26:26.919 Yeah you should. 0:26:26.960 --> 0:26:30.239 You should remember it so Tiff when they used to 0:26:30.280 --> 0:26:32.600 hold up the mug shots and the music that comes 0:26:32.640 --> 0:26:35.640 on on the music I Traveled. 0:26:35.720 --> 0:26:38.480 I work with guys over I was producing for Travel. 0:26:39.480 --> 0:26:43.000 If you want to, I just want to. 0:26:45.440 --> 0:26:47.679 Whatever it is. If you want to tell the story, 0:26:47.720 --> 0:26:52.280 you can. I'm just saying there was a dramatic effect 0:26:52.359 --> 0:26:55.200 about it. And these people have dropped us right into 0:26:55.240 --> 0:26:57.639 an episode of America's Most Wanted. 0:26:58.040 --> 0:27:00.159 Every time Christy Noam comes on with. 0:27:00.200 --> 0:27:04.680 Her makeup done and a bulletproof vest child like, that's 0:27:04.680 --> 0:27:08.040 what they're doing. They're trying to create this dramatic series 0:27:08.520 --> 0:27:11.200 of America's Most wanta and it is at the expense 0:27:11.240 --> 0:27:13.280 of the child who's not gonna get to work, get 0:27:13.280 --> 0:27:16.520 to school the next day because they just thole her mama. Yeah, 0:27:17.040 --> 0:27:19.560 they're abducting humans, that's what's happening right now. 0:27:19.720 --> 0:27:24.720 Yes, and for what and shipping them to offshore torture camps. 0:27:25.280 --> 0:27:27.919 And now they're because of course, this is kind of 0:27:27.920 --> 0:27:31.320 the point that I think we're all making. It is 0:27:31.359 --> 0:27:33.960 not going to stop at migrants. So now the next 0:27:33.960 --> 0:27:37.040 conversation and but we have to tap into our humanity 0:27:37.440 --> 0:27:40.600 that we give a shit about them too. We are 0:27:40.640 --> 0:27:43.199 not big enough in this community, in this country to 0:27:43.240 --> 0:27:46.400 fight this fight alone and inevitably, as we as black 0:27:46.440 --> 0:27:49.280 people always know. Of course, now it's coming to us 0:27:49.359 --> 0:27:52.720 because now they're in conversations with Rwanda and other countries 0:27:52.960 --> 0:27:57.919 to ship American citizens who are incarcerated to foreign countries. 0:27:58.359 --> 0:28:00.800 And who knows. And I'm be honest with you all, 0:28:02.080 --> 0:28:05.720 if I were one of these leaders in Africa, I 0:28:05.720 --> 0:28:07.920 would be like, yeah, send me all your your black 0:28:07.960 --> 0:28:10.280 people in prison, Send them all because we're gonna build 0:28:10.280 --> 0:28:14.320 an army. We will train them and build an army. 0:28:14.400 --> 0:28:16.040 Now this is the tip I want to cut. 0:28:17.000 --> 0:28:19.840 This is it because yo, and I tell you right now, 0:28:20.200 --> 0:28:23.560 I'm gonna find every leader of an African nation I 0:28:23.600 --> 0:28:25.600 can to be like, hey, we have a great idea. 0:28:25.680 --> 0:28:26.600 I stole tips. 0:28:27.080 --> 0:28:30.440 I want to start an initiative trying to tell you, 0:28:31.000 --> 0:28:33.320 especially because we might be next that the right things 0:28:33.320 --> 0:28:33.640 are going. 0:28:33.680 --> 0:28:35.120 We'll talk about that next week. 0:28:35.240 --> 0:28:39.680 So hell, y'all want to tune in next week because. 0:28:39.520 --> 0:28:41.840 You're definitely gonna want to tune in for this. They 0:28:41.960 --> 0:28:44.720 have to get us, y'all. I get start. 0:28:45.080 --> 0:28:46.800 We can't tell you yet because we need. 0:28:46.680 --> 0:28:47.600 To talk to a lawyer. 0:28:47.800 --> 0:28:51.160 Yes, they see some of it, they need all of it. 0:28:51.200 --> 0:28:55.000 Andrew talking about they tried to come from what right? 0:28:55.200 --> 0:28:57.360 No, no, no, I don't. I don't believe that once 0:28:57.480 --> 0:28:57.880 is enough. 0:28:59.080 --> 0:29:00.120 Yeah, you're right. 0:29:03.240 --> 0:29:06.680 If Tiff and Tiff and Andrew are heavy on this. 0:29:07.120 --> 0:29:10.160 No, I'm not the For me. It is still metaphorical, 0:29:10.280 --> 0:29:13.040 which is like, in every way in which you should 0:29:13.080 --> 0:29:17.040 be able to exist as a living, breathing human being 0:29:17.080 --> 0:29:22.440 who draws breath. They want to suffocate that out what 0:29:22.840 --> 0:29:26.440 that offers. They want to suffocate it. I'll never forget 0:29:26.520 --> 0:29:35.680 last week during our conversation hearing hearing the term you 0:29:35.720 --> 0:29:40.840 want to see a dead man walking? I was, you know, 0:29:41.200 --> 0:29:45.000 this is what I'm because I was dead inside, was 0:29:45.040 --> 0:29:48.840 our guess's response to us. 0:29:50.720 --> 0:29:55.520 Brother lewis right, Yeah, Ray Lewis. 0:29:55.960 --> 0:29:58.880 It just it chilled me. It chilled me. There are 0:29:58.880 --> 0:30:02.160 a lot of us moving. We are moving through our spaces, 0:30:02.960 --> 0:30:07.200 not awoke, not wake, not awoken, not woke. And I 0:30:07.200 --> 0:30:09.560 don't mean it in the satirical way in which we 0:30:09.600 --> 0:30:12.600 hear Republicans talk about it. I mean moving in and 0:30:12.640 --> 0:30:16.680 out of space without any awareness of what we're doing, 0:30:16.760 --> 0:30:18.640 where we are, what's happening in it. 0:30:19.240 --> 0:30:22.880 Yeah, you know, I think the point that I'm making 0:30:22.960 --> 0:30:28.120 about death, it was I watched the series. Michael Harriet 0:30:28.160 --> 0:30:31.280 actually showed me a clip and I thought it was 0:30:31.360 --> 0:30:33.560 just a clip from the show American Gods that's not 0:30:33.600 --> 0:30:37.240 on air anymore. But essentially it's about like if gods 0:30:37.240 --> 0:30:39.040 were walking the earth among us, like if these Greek 0:30:39.080 --> 0:30:42.040 gods were everyday people. And they show the scene opens 0:30:42.040 --> 0:30:46.600 with slaves on a ship and the slave is praying 0:30:47.240 --> 0:30:50.720 the capture the captive. He's praying, please, if you get 0:30:50.720 --> 0:30:52.840 me out of this situation, I will speak your name. 0:30:52.880 --> 0:30:55.440 I will pray for you. And then this god appears, 0:30:55.680 --> 0:30:58.960 a black man in everyday clothes, and he starts telling 0:30:59.080 --> 0:31:01.600 the men and the slave, this is what you're about 0:31:01.640 --> 0:31:03.960 to go through, and he walks them through when you 0:31:04.000 --> 0:31:06.360 get to America, this is what's about to happen to you. 0:31:06.440 --> 0:31:09.920 He walks them through the plantation, Jim Crow, civil rights, reconstruction, 0:31:10.040 --> 0:31:12.840 all of it. So he says, you want to get 0:31:12.840 --> 0:31:17.480 out of this situation, kill every one of these mothers dead, drown. 0:31:17.280 --> 0:31:18.040 Them all a minute. 0:31:18.080 --> 0:31:18.720 But what was this? 0:31:18.800 --> 0:31:20.320 I need American. 0:31:19.840 --> 0:31:24.640 Gods, American gods and Orlando. Yes, it's off air now. 0:31:24.640 --> 0:31:26.200 And I didn't watch the whole show. I just saw 0:31:26.240 --> 0:31:29.400 this clip. Orlando Jones plays the god and so the 0:31:29.440 --> 0:31:33.000 black man says, but Master, we will die too if 0:31:33.080 --> 0:31:35.120 we do that, and he leans in real close to 0:31:35.160 --> 0:31:39.920 him and says, mother, you already did. And I just thought, oh, 0:31:39.960 --> 0:31:43.160 my God, like that is his point is make it 0:31:43.200 --> 0:31:45.240 easy for the next like take out. And of course, 0:31:45.440 --> 0:31:48.560 just for legal purposes, we are not advocating any violence 0:31:48.640 --> 0:31:52.280 or killing anybody. I want to be really clear. We 0:31:52.320 --> 0:31:56.000 want to be really clear. We are speaking metaphorically. But 0:31:56.120 --> 0:31:58.959 what I didn't know that the great historian Michael Harriet 0:31:59.000 --> 0:32:02.480 later emailed me, is this is actually a true story. 0:32:03.200 --> 0:32:08.320 And they were enslaved from Nigeria who drowned themselves because 0:32:08.480 --> 0:32:10.560 they would rather die than be in bondage. And they 0:32:10.560 --> 0:32:13.320 were off the shore of Georgia, and they killed the 0:32:13.440 --> 0:32:17.880 enslaves and drowned them, and they were singing something in unison, 0:32:17.920 --> 0:32:20.920 and it was something like the water spirit carried us here, 0:32:21.080 --> 0:32:23.760 and the water spirit will set us free. And they 0:32:23.880 --> 0:32:27.080 killed all the enslavers and drowned themselves. I say that 0:32:27.120 --> 0:32:31.320 to say again, not promoting any kind of violence. We 0:32:31.320 --> 0:32:33.960 don't wish death on anybody. I say that to say 0:32:34.040 --> 0:32:36.880 that it is time for radical thought because if they 0:32:36.920 --> 0:32:42.040 are going to harm me anyway, then then what if 0:32:42.080 --> 0:32:43.959 I'm at my rock bottom? Then what do I have 0:32:44.000 --> 0:32:46.600 to lose? But anyway, I don't want to keep talking 0:32:46.600 --> 0:32:50.960 because Angela, you had a great idea for the guests 0:32:50.960 --> 0:32:52.960 this week. And first before we say that, I just 0:32:53.000 --> 0:32:55.720 want to say I've apologize. I've been calling Angela Angela, 0:32:55.760 --> 0:32:58.440 and I should address her as her proper title doctor ry. 0:33:01.520 --> 0:33:06.280 Doctorates to clear the record. I want to thank you 0:33:06.320 --> 0:33:10.800 so much for the support. This is my second doctorate. 0:33:11.520 --> 0:33:12.760 But I'll save you. 0:33:14.040 --> 0:33:17.160 But also let me tell you something that really gets 0:33:17.200 --> 0:33:19.680 on my nerves. This is a public service announcement to 0:33:19.720 --> 0:33:23.240 black people throughout the land. When you get an honorary doctorate, 0:33:23.360 --> 0:33:25.760 please don't start calling yourself doctor. 0:33:30.160 --> 0:33:30.920 I want to listen. 0:33:31.040 --> 0:33:34.560 And even if even if you got the doctorate from 0:33:34.680 --> 0:33:39.360 the storefront church, right like, I respect you and that's great, 0:33:39.520 --> 0:33:42.400 but like, please, the people that have earned a doctorate 0:33:42.960 --> 0:33:45.040 and went to school to do this, like my mother 0:33:45.440 --> 0:33:50.880 who is a doctor education, she's an d D, please 0:33:50.920 --> 0:33:52.520 put some respect on their names. 0:33:52.600 --> 0:33:55.880 I will maintain counselor and attorney. Angela R. 0:33:56.080 --> 0:33:58.200 I shall not become a doctor, but I will take 0:33:58.240 --> 0:34:00.680 it here. So now Tiffany and and you should only 0:34:00.720 --> 0:34:01.760 address me as doctor. 0:34:02.600 --> 0:34:04.200 We are only gonna call you doctor. 0:34:04.640 --> 0:34:06.280 I got my own doctor. 0:34:06.320 --> 0:34:09.160 And to be clear, I would like for oh, so 0:34:09.200 --> 0:34:12.399 Andrew's gonna be doctors, well mine needs to be doctor though. 0:34:12.440 --> 0:34:15.640 Okay it's a different I'm still I'm not undermine name. 0:34:15.719 --> 0:34:19.880 It's d O C T A. Yeah, doctor. 0:34:20.239 --> 0:34:22.040 Okay, And now I want you to bring. 0:34:22.360 --> 0:34:27.640 I want you to get because I want to disassociate 0:34:27.719 --> 0:34:30.839 myself from from Angela's comments about y'all and doctor y'all. 0:34:30.880 --> 0:34:35.799 Doctor y'all are signature your email to doctor such and such. 0:34:36.160 --> 0:34:38.080 Okay. Just on the other side of this break, we're 0:34:38.080 --> 0:34:40.400 going to pick up the conversation. But we'll be joined 0:34:40.440 --> 0:34:43.279 by Mayor Ross Baraka, who's also running for governor of 0:34:43.320 --> 0:34:45.560 New Jersey. So don't go anywhere you want to stick 0:34:45.600 --> 0:34:51.520 around for this conversation. We'll see you on the other side. 0:35:01.480 --> 0:35:04.200 All right, everyone, Well, we are thrilled to be joined 0:35:04.200 --> 0:35:07.920 by Newark's fortieth mayor. A good friend of this shows 0:35:08.120 --> 0:35:10.480 is this is not his first time with Native lampod 0:35:10.840 --> 0:35:12.320 Our good brother and friend. 0:35:12.440 --> 0:35:14.680 Mayor Rasbaraka, how are you doing. 0:35:15.640 --> 0:35:16.040 I'm good. 0:35:16.080 --> 0:35:21.480 I'm good, good, absolutely. 0:35:20.239 --> 0:35:22.320 Literally welcome, welcome. 0:35:22.200 --> 0:35:23.719 Yes, we are so happy to have you. 0:35:23.760 --> 0:35:27.360 We are going to run some sound from the Department 0:35:27.440 --> 0:35:32.239 Homeland Securities Assistant secretary. She handles their press. Her name 0:35:32.280 --> 0:35:35.480 is Tricia McLoughlin, and she had this to say about 0:35:35.480 --> 0:35:38.440 the recent incident outside of the Newark Ice facility. 0:35:39.120 --> 0:35:41.880 There will likely be more arrests coming. We actually have 0:35:42.280 --> 0:35:46.000 body camera footage of some of these members of Congress 0:35:46.280 --> 0:35:51.440 assaulting our ice enforcement officers, including body slamming a female 0:35:51.520 --> 0:35:55.400 ice officer. So we will be showing that to viewers 0:35:55.480 --> 0:35:56.000 very shortly. 0:35:56.600 --> 0:36:02.960 Video members of Congress body slamming ice. That's correct, officials. 0:36:02.520 --> 0:36:04.360 That's correct, sir, It's disgusting. 0:36:05.360 --> 0:36:07.800 Here are you lying, Andrew? 0:36:07.960 --> 0:36:11.560 Just one moment, let us the mayor was there. Mayor 0:36:12.080 --> 0:36:15.759 the mayor was there, Mayor Rasrocker. We have seen footage 0:36:15.800 --> 0:36:19.640 from multiple angles, and I would love to see when 0:36:19.920 --> 0:36:22.440 or hear about when you saw congressman body watch of 0:36:22.480 --> 0:36:25.440 COVID lift somebody up overhead and throw them down to 0:36:25.480 --> 0:36:25.759 the ground. 0:36:25.800 --> 0:36:28.440 Do you have that footage? Have you seen that it 0:36:28.480 --> 0:36:29.120 doesn't exist. 0:36:29.160 --> 0:36:32.880 Okay, I didn't think so, all right, tip it, Andrew. 0:36:33.120 --> 0:36:36.240 Yeah, it don't exist because it didn't happen, right, correct. 0:36:36.680 --> 0:36:38.560 Y'all know the first thing we would have seen on 0:36:38.600 --> 0:36:41.160 the news had that been true, would have been whatever 0:36:41.160 --> 0:36:44.719 that video is. But they just lost so hard, Mayor. 0:36:45.160 --> 0:36:48.200 Completely man, and they're so used to it. They're comfortable 0:36:48.320 --> 0:36:49.319 in line. You know. 0:36:49.600 --> 0:36:52.080 I'm telling you, brother, you needed this like you needed 0:36:52.080 --> 0:36:53.560 a hole in your head. You're in the middle of 0:36:53.560 --> 0:36:57.319 the race to become governor of the Democratic nominee for 0:36:57.320 --> 0:37:02.839 governor of New Jersey. Your heart in some ways, I 0:37:02.920 --> 0:37:04.799 know your head. I went back and watched one of 0:37:04.960 --> 0:37:09.640 your latest debate, and your race reminds me of the 0:37:09.680 --> 0:37:12.360 five way primary we had down here in twenty eighteen. 0:37:13.640 --> 0:37:16.440 And if that foretells anything, brother, the future is bright. 0:37:17.200 --> 0:37:19.360 Just do it slightly differently and bring it all the 0:37:19.400 --> 0:37:22.560 way home in the general election. I do want to 0:37:22.560 --> 0:37:26.000 ask you, Mayor, were you taken aback when you were 0:37:26.080 --> 0:37:30.160 asked during the last debate about whether or not you'll 0:37:30.200 --> 0:37:34.440 be able to work with federal officials and law enforcement, 0:37:34.840 --> 0:37:40.319 given that you had been arrested just shortly before the 0:37:40.360 --> 0:37:44.160 debate while doing your job as the mayor of your 0:37:44.239 --> 0:37:48.719 city inspecting this facility. Did that throw you a jar? 0:37:48.920 --> 0:37:52.239 And is that in any way representative of the way 0:37:52.280 --> 0:37:55.000 in which you've run this race and the way the 0:37:55.040 --> 0:37:55.920 media has covered it? 0:37:56.640 --> 0:37:59.960 Right? No, I mean they love to portray us at 0:38:00.040 --> 0:38:03.080 as these kind of thugs, as folks that you know, 0:38:03.200 --> 0:38:07.640 cannot work with with folks that we're angry, we're overly radical, 0:38:08.880 --> 0:38:11.040 and this is the reason why we can't govern and 0:38:11.080 --> 0:38:13.960 be elected. But my record in Newark is clear what 0:38:13.960 --> 0:38:17.799 we've done around public safety, reducing crime and violence about 0:38:17.800 --> 0:38:21.840 sixty one percent. The city hasn't had this less amount 0:38:21.880 --> 0:38:23.600 of violence since John F. Kennedy was the President of 0:38:23.640 --> 0:38:26.319 the United States. I mean, we're doing a great job 0:38:26.360 --> 0:38:31.160 with community violence intervention workers, working with the police. But 0:38:31.239 --> 0:38:33.440 that's the way they try to pigeonhole us and you know, 0:38:33.520 --> 0:38:37.200 barricade us into their caricatures of what they think we are. 0:38:37.280 --> 0:38:39.719 You know. So, but if you could see the videos 0:38:39.760 --> 0:38:43.080 clear that they let me in the gate, right, they 0:38:43.120 --> 0:38:45.359 let me in the gate. It's like entrapment almost, right, 0:38:45.520 --> 0:38:48.239 they let me in the gate. Then they arrested me 0:38:48.280 --> 0:38:49.160 after I leave the gate. 0:38:51.239 --> 0:38:55.560 As another great mayor would say, mister mayor, let me 0:38:55.680 --> 0:38:59.000 let me ask you. We saw the footage, and first 0:38:59.000 --> 0:39:00.799 of all, we're just happy to see that you are 0:39:00.960 --> 0:39:04.680 safe and release because so many people are not. So 0:39:04.760 --> 0:39:08.080 many people are kidnapped and being disappeared by this government, 0:39:08.080 --> 0:39:10.680 which is really frightening. We talked a bit before you 0:39:10.800 --> 0:39:14.319 joined us about the fracture in some of the communities. 0:39:14.400 --> 0:39:16.040 You know, there are some people on the black community 0:39:16.080 --> 0:39:19.720 who feel like, well, these you know, illegal ice attentions 0:39:19.760 --> 0:39:23.120 ain't my fight, it's not my problem. And they're even 0:39:23.160 --> 0:39:26.760 pre Trump. There have been infighting among communities of color, 0:39:26.800 --> 0:39:30.080 fighting for resources, which is something you would certainly confront 0:39:30.160 --> 0:39:33.720 as governor of New Jersey given the diversity of that state. 0:39:34.040 --> 0:39:38.040 I'm curious what you would say to black constituents who 0:39:38.040 --> 0:39:40.440 may feel like I want you to be the governor 0:39:40.480 --> 0:39:43.120 for me. If you're taking up this fight, how can 0:39:43.160 --> 0:39:45.880 you be the governor for me? How would you counter 0:39:46.840 --> 0:39:48.240 that ill informed sentiment? 0:39:49.719 --> 0:39:51.880 Right? But this fight is our fight. I mean, the 0:39:51.880 --> 0:39:55.400 attack on due process is our fight. The attack on 0:39:55.440 --> 0:39:59.320 the fourth Amendment, fifth Amendment of Constitution, of fourteenth Amendment, 0:39:59.360 --> 0:40:03.160 these are our fights. The fourteen Amendment was created post slavery, 0:40:03.200 --> 0:40:06.080 This is directly our fight. And the first people that 0:40:06.120 --> 0:40:07.920 are going to be attacked the minute we allow them 0:40:07.920 --> 0:40:11.399 to roll the fourth and fifth Amendment is us. We 0:40:11.480 --> 0:40:13.719 have already been attacked, but this does is open the 0:40:13.760 --> 0:40:17.880 door and leave us more vulnerable than it did already. 0:40:18.600 --> 0:40:20.719 We have to fight for people who are struggling around 0:40:20.719 --> 0:40:22.640 the same things we're struggling around, and we have to 0:40:22.680 --> 0:40:26.680 see our commonality there. And it's up to us as leaders, 0:40:26.440 --> 0:40:28.840 as writers, as journalists, as put folks out in the 0:40:28.840 --> 0:40:31.120 front so to explain that to people so they can 0:40:31.200 --> 0:40:33.799 understand clearly that this fight is our fight. 0:40:34.640 --> 0:40:37.960 I got to ask you, given everything that's happened me 0:40:38.080 --> 0:40:40.000 or we were in New Orleans at the time on 0:40:40.040 --> 0:40:41.759 the State of the People tour, and of course you 0:40:41.880 --> 0:40:45.000 joined us this week. You're so grateful for your remarks 0:40:45.040 --> 0:40:48.600 and your courage, but I'm curious to know, given everything 0:40:48.640 --> 0:40:52.800 that's going on, the fact that now you were arrested. 0:40:52.920 --> 0:40:56.480 I believe that they are trying to charge you with 0:40:56.560 --> 0:41:01.680 a misdemeanor of trespassing. Have you heard from the Department 0:41:01.719 --> 0:41:04.399 of Justice on this case and what the next steps are? 0:41:05.400 --> 0:41:09.200 Yes, I have. I mean, we supposed to have a 0:41:09.200 --> 0:41:13.279 hearing tomorrow. They're trying to turn it into another kind 0:41:13.320 --> 0:41:15.960 of hearing. They're now saying the charge is too small 0:41:16.440 --> 0:41:18.480 to have a preliminary hearing. They didn't say that when 0:41:18.520 --> 0:41:22.680 they were fingerprinting me and taking my pictures, but on 0:41:22.800 --> 0:41:25.160 making me do PTI that morning, you know, going through 0:41:25.160 --> 0:41:29.000 this asking me questions, do I have mental illness, do 0:41:29.080 --> 0:41:31.759 I take drugs? All this kind of stuff. So now 0:41:32.080 --> 0:41:34.840 they're saying that the charge is too small, but we 0:41:34.880 --> 0:41:37.480 still have to go through the process. And you know, ultimately, 0:41:37.520 --> 0:41:39.600 I think they know that they made error here and 0:41:39.640 --> 0:41:41.319 they want to fix that, but they want us to 0:41:41.360 --> 0:41:44.719 acquiesce in the process. That's what's taking this thing so long. 0:41:45.000 --> 0:41:47.560 They know they need to drop the case, but they 0:41:47.560 --> 0:41:50.359 want me to bend the knee before that happens. And 0:41:50.400 --> 0:41:52.359 they'll be waiting until they're blue in the face, until 0:41:52.360 --> 0:41:55.960 the cows come home. As my grandfother would say, if 0:41:55.960 --> 0:42:00.200 they expect that to happen, what does that mean, Well, 0:42:00.239 --> 0:42:02.600 it means that they want me to uh, you know, 0:42:02.719 --> 0:42:05.000 bow to them, to acquiesce, to say that we were 0:42:05.040 --> 0:42:09.319 wrong to uh basically come to them and uh kind 0:42:09.320 --> 0:42:12.719 of beg them even Uh it's it's it's it's it's 0:42:12.800 --> 0:42:15.920 ridiculous because I didn't do anything wrong. I violated new laws. 0:42:16.440 --> 0:42:18.200 The land I was on, even when the property I 0:42:18.280 --> 0:42:20.520 was on anyway was not even federal property. It's not 0:42:20.600 --> 0:42:24.200 federal property, so they don't have any charge for federal trespass. 0:42:24.320 --> 0:42:25.840 I mean, I just it's just incorrect. 0:42:25.880 --> 0:42:27.879 I want to be clear. You're are you saying that 0:42:27.920 --> 0:42:30.719 someone from the administration came to you and said if 0:42:30.760 --> 0:42:33.200 you say these things, if you say that you were wrong, 0:42:34.520 --> 0:42:37.120 then they would well be helpful to you. 0:42:37.200 --> 0:42:39.480 Well, they're talking to our they're talking to our lawyers, right, 0:42:39.520 --> 0:42:42.320 and the lawyers are giving me all kinds of options. 0:42:42.360 --> 0:42:45.640 And obviously these options I have to come from somewhere, right, 0:42:45.680 --> 0:42:47.239 So they're given me all kinds of options of what 0:42:47.280 --> 0:42:51.480 it is that we can do, what's possible, what's plausible, uh, 0:42:51.600 --> 0:42:55.360 and and and what's reality. The fact is uh that 0:42:55.440 --> 0:42:56.960 it's it would be silly for them to take this 0:42:57.120 --> 0:42:59.960 all the way through into logical and Uh. It's a 0:43:00.040 --> 0:43:03.920 misdemeanor of class T misdemeanor. First of all, the maximum 0:43:03.920 --> 0:43:06.360 is thirty days in jail, four hundred, five hundred dollars fine. 0:43:07.040 --> 0:43:08.960 I don't know any judge that's going to do that, 0:43:09.120 --> 0:43:11.600 or any federal prosecutor that's going to prosecute this case 0:43:11.640 --> 0:43:15.560 after they see the evidence. The Brady log of demands 0:43:15.560 --> 0:43:17.440 that they give us all the evidence that they have. 0:43:18.440 --> 0:43:20.719 If they turn over the guard who let me in 0:43:20.760 --> 0:43:22.520 the door in the first place, the gate in the 0:43:22.560 --> 0:43:25.560 first place, that ends the fact that I came on 0:43:25.600 --> 0:43:28.080 the property, that I busted in, that I forced my 0:43:28.120 --> 0:43:30.040 way in, that I was not invited in because I 0:43:30.120 --> 0:43:30.759 was invited in. 0:43:31.520 --> 0:43:35.359 For clarity, were you on were you inside the gate 0:43:35.440 --> 0:43:38.040 when they handcuffed you or were you outside the gate? 0:43:38.880 --> 0:43:41.520 I was outside the gate. They told me to leave. 0:43:42.360 --> 0:43:44.880 After going back and forth with me and the congress people, 0:43:45.680 --> 0:43:48.279 I left. There's a video of body watching colon and 0:43:48.360 --> 0:43:51.840 holding my arm. We're walking out very peacefully, very calmly. 0:43:52.440 --> 0:43:55.000 The agents are around me. We leave the gate. They 0:43:55.040 --> 0:43:58.520 stay inside so they could go do their tour. But 0:43:58.560 --> 0:44:01.480 the tour didn't happen because a special agent in charge 0:44:01.600 --> 0:44:03.720 got a phone call and that's also on a video, 0:44:04.560 --> 0:44:07.239 and then they huddle up and leave and come and 0:44:07.239 --> 0:44:07.600 get me. 0:44:09.160 --> 0:44:13.040 Yes, And I think that's important for yeah, if I 0:44:13.040 --> 0:44:16.880 want people to understand that he was not on the 0:44:17.200 --> 0:44:20.200 private prison by the way, the private prison side. When 0:44:20.239 --> 0:44:23.120 this all happened, he was on that was city land, correct, 0:44:23.160 --> 0:44:24.880 mister mayor, Yeah. 0:44:24.800 --> 0:44:27.680 Yeah, I was on the opposite side of the gate, absolutely. 0:44:27.239 --> 0:44:30.920 In the city correct, right exactly. 0:44:31.760 --> 0:44:34.160 So you said that they want you to acquiesce there 0:44:34.239 --> 0:44:39.520 might be a mayor that is geographically close to where 0:44:39.560 --> 0:44:42.520 you now are, also mayor that we might look to 0:44:42.560 --> 0:44:44.120 as an example of what not to do. 0:44:44.640 --> 0:44:46.880 Since Mayor raz is two class, he to do this, 0:44:47.000 --> 0:44:47.719 I will name him. 0:44:47.760 --> 0:44:50.760 That is Mayor Eric Adams, So that's who they probably 0:44:50.800 --> 0:44:52.799 want him to behave like, but he won't do that 0:44:52.840 --> 0:44:54.320 because this is a mayor of the people. 0:44:55.960 --> 0:45:03.200 As Eric Adams was offered uh an exit ramp by 0:45:03.200 --> 0:45:06.840 this administration and now he has become an acolyte and 0:45:06.920 --> 0:45:11.200 mouthpiece for this administration after his entire office was arrested. 0:45:11.400 --> 0:45:13.200 I can't remember all the charges, but I believe it 0:45:13.239 --> 0:45:16.960 was bribery. He was, you know, involved in making deals 0:45:16.960 --> 0:45:20.440 with the foreign countries, including Turkey, so just our viewers know. 0:45:20.560 --> 0:45:23.279 But mister Mayor, it seems like they were targeting you specifically. 0:45:24.000 --> 0:45:26.040 Of all the people who were there, it seems like 0:45:26.120 --> 0:45:29.799 they wanted to arrest you. One do you feel like 0:45:29.840 --> 0:45:34.360 you were targeted. Two. If so, why and how concerned 0:45:34.440 --> 0:45:37.160 are you? Because you're you're speaking about well, you know, 0:45:37.640 --> 0:45:41.000 it's clear that the video, we all know facts, but 0:45:41.080 --> 0:45:44.000 in a society where facts don't matter, I'm just wondering, 0:45:44.000 --> 0:45:47.080 how concerned are you about this court date this week 0:45:47.120 --> 0:45:48.759 and by the time the show airs, you will have 0:45:48.800 --> 0:45:50.919 already been in court. 0:45:52.400 --> 0:45:55.360 Yeah, I mean, obviously you're concerned. I was concerned about 0:45:55.400 --> 0:45:57.040 being arrested. I don't know what these people are gonna 0:45:57.040 --> 0:45:59.120 take me, what they're gonna do. I don't know who 0:45:59.800 --> 0:46:01.719 you even the track record of what these people have, 0:46:01.880 --> 0:46:03.840 they disappearing people, But I don't know what's going to happen, 0:46:03.880 --> 0:46:07.359 you know, you know, so I am concerned about the 0:46:07.400 --> 0:46:09.080 outcome of this. I mean, I know we have a 0:46:09.160 --> 0:46:13.320 very good team of lawyers, and you know the public 0:46:13.360 --> 0:46:16.200 is watching, so that that helps us right to keep 0:46:16.200 --> 0:46:19.120 it public and have it as a very public event. 0:46:19.560 --> 0:46:21.520 I think they arrested me because I'm the mayor right 0:46:21.680 --> 0:46:24.440 as mayor of the state's largest city, and it's not 0:46:24.480 --> 0:46:27.560 about me personally. It's about them flexing their muscles. They 0:46:27.600 --> 0:46:29.719 want to arrest judges, mayors, so forth, and so on. 0:46:29.840 --> 0:46:32.319 To prove a point that you know, they're strong, that 0:46:32.360 --> 0:46:33.920 they could do what they want to do. Nobody's going 0:46:33.960 --> 0:46:36.360 to defy them, and no matter who you are, what 0:46:36.440 --> 0:46:38.799 your position of status is, we're coming to get you. 0:46:38.880 --> 0:46:41.440 So I think they wanted to get the person they 0:46:41.440 --> 0:46:43.440 thought that was in charge that day, and that that 0:46:43.480 --> 0:46:47.120 happened to be me, right, and so they came and 0:46:47.160 --> 0:46:50.279 got me, and you know, the US Attorney and I 0:46:50.320 --> 0:46:53.840 had words back and forth publicly on social media. I mean, 0:46:53.880 --> 0:46:56.840 it wasn't too bad, but you know, they don't like 0:46:56.880 --> 0:46:59.439 to be called out. But at the end of the day, 0:47:00.560 --> 0:47:04.680 this was their opportunity to show me. As you know, 0:47:04.719 --> 0:47:06.719 as people say, that's what they did. They came out 0:47:06.760 --> 0:47:09.080 and showed me. They took locked me up, cuffed me 0:47:09.160 --> 0:47:10.600 and took me in, took me into a seal. 0:47:11.000 --> 0:47:14.919 Mayor. They did more than show you, They showed all 0:47:14.960 --> 0:47:18.040 of us. And I think that has in part the 0:47:18.080 --> 0:47:22.400 intention that by going after what we as the community 0:47:22.440 --> 0:47:26.000 believed to be those who are the leadership voices and 0:47:26.080 --> 0:47:30.080 therefore are beyond you touching them, roughing them up, putting 0:47:30.120 --> 0:47:33.080 handcuffs on them over public demonstration, We're going to go 0:47:33.160 --> 0:47:36.480 after the very thing that you think is untouchable, the 0:47:36.680 --> 0:47:39.760 very person who you think who you call your leader 0:47:40.239 --> 0:47:43.160 and who is your elected leader, and bring that person 0:47:43.760 --> 0:47:46.839 to not just heal, but to humiliation is in part 0:47:46.880 --> 0:47:49.879 there is in part their goal, which is really why 0:47:49.880 --> 0:47:51.760 I wanted to and I have a question about Governor, 0:47:51.800 --> 0:47:55.200 but I didn't want to skip over because I've been 0:47:55.239 --> 0:47:59.160 there with them before, that process of submitting yourself through 0:47:59.320 --> 0:48:04.960 arrest and the dehumanizing lens that that goes to in 0:48:05.040 --> 0:48:07.359 the mind games that it can play with you if 0:48:07.400 --> 0:48:11.239 you are not steadfast and unmovable and and and and 0:48:11.640 --> 0:48:18.080 your positionality here. But if for the average person out there, 0:48:19.160 --> 0:48:22.520 how can you deepen into this this knowing that we 0:48:22.600 --> 0:48:25.120 all have that if they can do that, Dura may 0:48:25.120 --> 0:48:29.920 erasp Baraka, who am I? Why should I protest? If 0:48:29.960 --> 0:48:31.640 that can be done to him, can it be done 0:48:31.640 --> 0:48:31.840 to me? 0:48:33.280 --> 0:48:37.000 Yeah? I absolutely can. But the reality is our collective 0:48:37.040 --> 0:48:39.520 power is greater than our individual power, right, and that 0:48:39.600 --> 0:48:42.239 we have to be together. And this is a moral moment. 0:48:42.320 --> 0:48:44.600 I've been saying that, you know, this is a moment, 0:48:44.680 --> 0:48:47.200 you know when when Jim Crow is happening and people 0:48:47.200 --> 0:48:51.160 were being denied opportunity to vote and being killed in 0:48:51.200 --> 0:48:54.400 the South, or trying to organize people to vote. When 0:48:54.440 --> 0:48:57.480 Mega Evers was shot in his wife's arms, or four 0:48:57.520 --> 0:48:59.960 little girls blown up in the church in Birmingham. People 0:49:00.080 --> 0:49:02.000 had to speak up, they had to say stuff right. 0:49:03.120 --> 0:49:05.560 It was their moral moment, and people from all nationalities 0:49:05.640 --> 0:49:09.279 or religions. Some of them made comment and did even 0:49:09.320 --> 0:49:11.600 more than that, and some did nothing right. The history 0:49:11.640 --> 0:49:14.120 is going to judge those people. It's the same now 0:49:14.200 --> 0:49:16.719 what happens now. You know, when Irish Americans came here, 0:49:16.719 --> 0:49:19.560 they went through the same criminalization of the humanization. When 0:49:19.600 --> 0:49:22.000 Italian Americans came here, they did the same thing. Jewish 0:49:22.040 --> 0:49:25.920 Americans as well. This is not a new tactic for 0:49:26.120 --> 0:49:28.960 these kind of despots and authoritarian folks. And you know 0:49:28.960 --> 0:49:31.080 what happens to people of color, it's always a lot worse. 0:49:31.280 --> 0:49:33.920 So at the end of the day, we could sit 0:49:33.920 --> 0:49:35.839 around and watch what's going on, or we could use 0:49:35.840 --> 0:49:39.600 our platform to fight back. And that's what we're supposed 0:49:39.600 --> 0:49:41.560 to be doing in a collective way. 0:49:41.600 --> 0:49:43.320 Mayor, how are you feeling about the run for governor 0:49:43.400 --> 0:49:46.960 where we're what three were about two three weeks out 0:49:47.200 --> 0:49:52.839 from voting. Clothes give our listeners a sense of how 0:49:52.840 --> 0:49:55.359 you're feeling on the ground and also what they can 0:49:55.400 --> 0:49:57.960 do at this point as you close in on election. 0:49:57.760 --> 0:50:00.839 Day, it's fourth quarter, we got the third seconds left. 0:50:00.920 --> 0:50:03.080 Is the tie game and we got the ball. That's 0:50:03.120 --> 0:50:05.400 really what it is. Either we're gonna score or we not. 0:50:05.640 --> 0:50:08.320 And it's simply that you know, the race is so close, 0:50:08.320 --> 0:50:11.040 it's gonna boil down to who gets their voters out 0:50:11.560 --> 0:50:14.399 to the polls that day. Whoever's ground game is more 0:50:15.400 --> 0:50:19.040 complex efficient I should say, stronger money in the ground, 0:50:19.160 --> 0:50:21.600 having their people out, pulling their voters out, those are 0:50:21.600 --> 0:50:24.239 the folks that are gonna win. Nobody's gonna win with 0:50:24.360 --> 0:50:26.640 more than thirty percent of the vote. Somebody's gonna win 0:50:26.640 --> 0:50:28.640 with twenty four to twenty five percent of the vote. 0:50:28.800 --> 0:50:31.440 That's about two hundred thousand people if that. And so 0:50:31.640 --> 0:50:34.320 it's gonna take a real operation on the street to 0:50:34.360 --> 0:50:37.040 get people out. And what that means is that we 0:50:37.080 --> 0:50:39.880 can't afford to stay home like our family members. We 0:50:39.960 --> 0:50:42.440 have to do relational voting like everybody in our circle. 0:50:43.400 --> 0:50:45.400 You call the people you know, You talk to the 0:50:45.400 --> 0:50:47.759 people you know and make sure that they vote in 0:50:47.800 --> 0:50:51.000 their family members vote. I mean, if that's something that's 0:50:51.320 --> 0:50:54.279 less complicated then going out with a team of people 0:50:54.320 --> 0:50:56.560 knocking on doors and doing all this stuff. You can 0:50:56.600 --> 0:50:58.960 sit in your home and call everybody on your phone 0:50:59.320 --> 0:51:01.400 and make sure they vote and put it together the 0:51:01.480 --> 0:51:04.960 night before the day of start building that right now. 0:51:05.120 --> 0:51:07.919 And I'm a member our five fraternity and they always 0:51:07.960 --> 0:51:09.680 ask me what can we do? I said, make sure 0:51:09.680 --> 0:51:12.000 every out for in New Jersey votes for Rasbarrock on 0:51:12.080 --> 0:51:15.879 June tenth, and their wives and their children. That's enough 0:51:16.480 --> 0:51:19.759 to let everybody else do that as well. 0:51:20.040 --> 0:51:22.160 I want to get into a little bit of platform 0:51:22.160 --> 0:51:24.279 because so much as this has been a distraction to 0:51:24.320 --> 0:51:27.319 the race that you're running, like you anticipated going to 0:51:27.360 --> 0:51:30.120 stand up for constituents and folks who have been living 0:51:30.120 --> 0:51:32.719 in Newark and hardly expected to ever be seeing the 0:51:32.760 --> 0:51:35.440 inside of a detention facility in the middle of a 0:51:35.440 --> 0:51:38.440 gubernatorial run, and so on. 0:51:38.560 --> 0:51:39.200 Platform. 0:51:39.400 --> 0:51:41.080 One of the things that came up at our State 0:51:41.120 --> 0:51:44.240 of the People tour stop in Newark was the wealth 0:51:44.280 --> 0:51:47.560 gap for black folks versus white folks in the state 0:51:47.560 --> 0:51:50.319 of New Jersey. I believe they said black folks, white 0:51:50.360 --> 0:51:53.400 folks who are around six hundred thousand in New Jersey 0:51:53.520 --> 0:51:57.840 versus like seventeen thousand for black families in New Jersey. 0:51:57.880 --> 0:52:02.400 What are your plans, mister Mayor, to close the wealth 0:52:02.440 --> 0:52:03.360 gap in the state. 0:52:04.280 --> 0:52:06.560 And that's actually doubled by the way, so it was 0:52:06.600 --> 0:52:08.759 about three hundred thousand doing COVID, So it's doubled in 0:52:08.840 --> 0:52:10.600 a very short period of time. And at the base 0:52:10.600 --> 0:52:14.840 of that its home ownership and investment in small businesses. 0:52:15.000 --> 0:52:19.200 And you know, African American businesses are usually sole proprietorships 0:52:18.800 --> 0:52:21.400 in this state, and they get less than one percent 0:52:21.520 --> 0:52:25.839 of support from state dollars in New Jersey, So black, 0:52:25.840 --> 0:52:28.520 brown and women businesses get very little to no support 0:52:28.560 --> 0:52:31.239 from the state. I would say we need first a 0:52:31.280 --> 0:52:34.759 diversity procurement officer to make sure that every department in 0:52:34.760 --> 0:52:37.719 the state is procuring dollars and businesses from black and 0:52:37.760 --> 0:52:41.680 brown and women businesses, specifically black businesses in these communities 0:52:42.239 --> 0:52:45.160 that are being underrepresented and left behind. We also have 0:52:45.239 --> 0:52:47.120 been talking about a public bank that is not a 0:52:47.120 --> 0:52:49.560 commercial bank, but an investment bank where we put our 0:52:49.640 --> 0:52:51.960 dollars and we force cra dollars to be as well, 0:52:52.239 --> 0:52:55.040 and we do deliverate an intentional investment in home ownership 0:52:55.360 --> 0:52:58.160 capital loans for people to begin their own homes, begin 0:52:58.200 --> 0:53:00.200 to invest in businesses so they grow, so they can 0:53:00.280 --> 0:53:03.400 hire more employees, so they can move from one city 0:53:03.400 --> 0:53:06.319 to multiple cities, to put money in people's pockets and 0:53:06.360 --> 0:53:08.840 invest in communities that have been left behind, have barriers 0:53:08.840 --> 0:53:11.040 in their way because of race and because of class. 0:53:11.200 --> 0:53:14.080 And that's what we want to do in any immediate sense. 0:53:14.120 --> 0:53:16.600 And we want to help finance these chambers of commerces, 0:53:16.719 --> 0:53:18.680 especially that African American Chamber of Commerce, so they can 0:53:18.719 --> 0:53:22.000 help these businesses with back office paperwork, so they could 0:53:22.000 --> 0:53:24.160 bid for contracts, so they can stand on their feet, 0:53:24.239 --> 0:53:27.160 so they balance sheets are good. All of that is important. 0:53:27.280 --> 0:53:30.000 Teaching them how to bond so they could compete in 0:53:30.040 --> 0:53:32.759 a larger way with other businesses. But we have to 0:53:32.800 --> 0:53:35.920 infuse capital in these communities because that's what we're missing. 0:53:36.680 --> 0:53:41.880 Yeah, Mayor. One of the things that I've read that 0:53:41.920 --> 0:53:43.879 you're facing, and I know I faced the same thing 0:53:43.920 --> 0:53:46.360 where some of your opponents or supporters of your opponents 0:53:46.360 --> 0:53:51.839 would say the Republicans are craving Razbaraka as the Democratic 0:53:51.920 --> 0:53:54.440 nominee because they feel like they can beat them. I 0:53:54.440 --> 0:53:57.359 remember being asked that and say, my opponents, of course 0:53:57.360 --> 0:54:00.319 have no interest in that narrative being pushed. You know 0:54:00.400 --> 0:54:05.320 before I answer, But obviously that is an easy narrative 0:54:05.360 --> 0:54:08.840 to push when you're the first, when you were attempting 0:54:08.840 --> 0:54:14.160 to rise against the grain and to you're not. You're 0:54:14.200 --> 0:54:16.520 not running for governor to become the first. You're running 0:54:16.560 --> 0:54:19.279 for governor to be of service to the people you 0:54:19.360 --> 0:54:23.640 care about. But of course you were, you were. You're 0:54:23.640 --> 0:54:27.200 breaking some barriers to be successful in the Democratic nominee. 0:54:27.320 --> 0:54:30.560 What's your best pushback on? Of course, the Republicans want 0:54:30.600 --> 0:54:31.320 me because I'm weaker. 0:54:32.080 --> 0:54:34.640 Yeah, what they think being black is a weakness. I don't. 0:54:34.920 --> 0:54:37.800 They think being from Newark is a weakness. I don't. 0:54:38.080 --> 0:54:40.680 I think it gives me the acumen and the skill, 0:54:41.000 --> 0:54:43.600 the record to be able to solve very difficult and 0:54:43.640 --> 0:54:45.840 complex problems that they have no idea how to solve. 0:54:46.440 --> 0:54:48.600 I think because I'm closer to the problem, I'm closer 0:54:48.600 --> 0:54:52.719 to the solutions. My messaging appeals to everybody up and 0:54:52.719 --> 0:54:55.600 down the state of New Jersey because everybody is in 0:54:55.640 --> 0:54:58.960 the same situation, and Democrats have been afraid to talk 0:54:59.000 --> 0:55:01.840 the way I've been talking, which is why we're punching 0:55:01.920 --> 0:55:05.440 high above our weight. Because the message that we're telling 0:55:05.520 --> 0:55:09.000 people is that the economy is broken and we can 0:55:09.000 --> 0:55:10.840 fix it. That it has to be more inclusive and 0:55:10.920 --> 0:55:13.759 not exclusive. That we can lawyer your taxes, lawyer your costs. 0:55:13.800 --> 0:55:15.480 That we can make the wealthy paid their fair share. 0:55:15.680 --> 0:55:18.239 Everybody wants to hear that. And we can do this 0:55:18.840 --> 0:55:21.840 by leaning into diversity, equity, inclusion, not running away from it. 0:55:21.880 --> 0:55:24.640 That we can make the state more democratic by doing 0:55:24.640 --> 0:55:26.759 In fact, diversity, equity and inclusion is going to make 0:55:26.800 --> 0:55:29.880 our economy stronger, right, And we have to make a 0:55:29.920 --> 0:55:32.600 relationship between those messages. So we've been talking about the 0:55:32.600 --> 0:55:36.400 same thing all of us have been talking about nationally. Wages, 0:55:36.680 --> 0:55:38.840 work and wealth. I mean, those are the three things 0:55:38.840 --> 0:55:41.640 that we're pushing in this state and in this country. Right. 0:55:41.640 --> 0:55:46.040 We need better wages, we need increased opportunities for work 0:55:46.280 --> 0:55:48.640 in our communities, and we need a pathway to wealth 0:55:48.920 --> 0:55:51.520 here and all Americans want that. You know, we just 0:55:51.560 --> 0:55:53.640 have had the greatest obstacles in our way. And remove 0:55:53.719 --> 0:55:57.480 our obstacles. Everybody obstacles get moved, and history has proven. 0:55:57.280 --> 0:56:00.560 That, Mayor raz I'm going to bring Tiffany Drew into 0:56:00.600 --> 0:56:03.279 our text. The one thing that we talk about the 0:56:03.320 --> 0:56:08.120 most historically is the nineteen seventy two Gary and Dianna 0:56:08.239 --> 0:56:11.640 National Black Political Convention. I'm bringing that up with intention 0:56:11.840 --> 0:56:17.680 because you represent a largely black space in Newark that 0:56:17.880 --> 0:56:20.760 is becoming increasingly more black and brown. But we also 0:56:20.840 --> 0:56:24.400 know historically that when we do for us, it benefits everybody. 0:56:24.480 --> 0:56:25.680 So when you reflect. 0:56:25.360 --> 0:56:28.400 On what your dad was building in nineteen seventy two 0:56:28.480 --> 0:56:31.200 and Gary and what you have continued to build as 0:56:31.280 --> 0:56:33.640 in elected office, but taking that pledge, even though you 0:56:33.680 --> 0:56:36.239 didn't sign it, you have definitely held true to the 0:56:36.280 --> 0:56:39.040 tenets of that convention. What do you think are the 0:56:39.120 --> 0:56:42.200 three areas that we need to be implementing? One in 0:56:42.239 --> 0:56:44.960 New Jersey, but nationally, if we could as a people, 0:56:45.640 --> 0:56:46.399 what should we be. 0:56:46.400 --> 0:56:51.160 Doing based on what they've said there? 0:56:51.239 --> 0:56:54.160 So, yeah, So when you think, like DC statehood, wages, 0:56:54.280 --> 0:56:56.240 all of the things that they brought up in seventy 0:56:56.239 --> 0:56:58.399 two and that agenda, what are some of the things 0:56:58.440 --> 0:57:00.279 that you're like, if we did these three things, we 0:57:00.320 --> 0:57:02.399 would be a hell of a lot further than where 0:57:02.400 --> 0:57:03.279 we than where we are. 0:57:04.080 --> 0:57:07.200 I think reparations is clearly one of the top three 0:57:07.200 --> 0:57:10.560 on that list. I mean, I think that's incredibly important, 0:57:10.560 --> 0:57:12.800 and all that means is to make sure we remove 0:57:12.840 --> 0:57:15.759 obstacles out of long historic obstacles out of people's way 0:57:15.800 --> 0:57:18.360 and give them the opportunity to perform, to give them 0:57:18.400 --> 0:57:21.280 a chance at bat, whether it's in the form of 0:57:21.560 --> 0:57:25.520 education or earned income tax credits, or opportunities for capital 0:57:25.520 --> 0:57:29.360 to purchase homes, to destroy that wealth gap, to be 0:57:29.440 --> 0:57:31.040 able to grow in terms of their business. And I 0:57:31.080 --> 0:57:35.240 think that that's clearly one of the things I remember, 0:57:36.000 --> 0:57:38.960 you know, Queen mothermore passing out flyers and that thing. 0:57:39.080 --> 0:57:42.320 We need reparations. We need reparations. That's that's clear. People 0:57:42.320 --> 0:57:43.880 have been talking about that for a long time, and 0:57:43.920 --> 0:57:46.320 I think some form of that has to happen, and 0:57:46.360 --> 0:57:48.960 some discussions around what that looks like in states are 0:57:48.960 --> 0:57:50.560 talking about it, and we need to make that a 0:57:50.640 --> 0:57:53.080 national push, and we need to say what we mean 0:57:53.080 --> 0:57:56.040 when we say reparations and what and what we actually want. 0:57:56.080 --> 0:57:59.000 It's not enough to say reparations in a theoretical sense. 0:57:59.040 --> 0:58:00.560 We have to say it in a really digmatic and 0:58:00.640 --> 0:58:03.600 material way. What are we talking about, uh? And and 0:58:03.680 --> 0:58:06.080 who should get it right? And that's that's real and 0:58:06.240 --> 0:58:10.320 and I think that's incredibly important UH as well uh, 0:58:10.400 --> 0:58:12.960 a pathway there. There was a big fight in there 0:58:13.160 --> 0:58:16.640 to me about you know, unions and and unions were 0:58:16.640 --> 0:58:20.320 walking out because there's a whole struggle even today about 0:58:20.400 --> 0:58:23.760 unions and their inclusion of black and brown people, uh 0:58:23.840 --> 0:58:26.520 in those unions. And I think the trade unions and 0:58:26.560 --> 0:58:31.280 our ability to get engaged in helping build the communities 0:58:31.320 --> 0:58:34.040 that we actually live in is very very important. And 0:58:34.040 --> 0:58:36.480 we need to sit down with these trade unions and 0:58:36.560 --> 0:58:39.920 figure out how to make sure that young black and 0:58:39.960 --> 0:58:44.360 brown boys in these communities have immediate, quick and deliberate 0:58:44.400 --> 0:58:47.480 access into these unions to help build their communities. That 0:58:47.560 --> 0:58:51.160 absolutely positively needs to happen right away because these are 0:58:51.160 --> 0:58:54.000 good paying jobs. The building is not going anywhere. We 0:58:54.040 --> 0:58:57.560 need more. In fact, there's a gap, a hole in 0:58:57.600 --> 0:59:00.720 construction trades. As you know, they need to high more people, 0:59:00.880 --> 0:59:02.840 and so we have a lot of people that are 0:59:02.840 --> 0:59:05.520 available to be hired, you know, that's for sure. So 0:59:05.680 --> 0:59:10.280 I think that's incredibly important for us. You know. I 0:59:10.280 --> 0:59:13.280 also add DC statehood is important too, and I would 0:59:13.320 --> 0:59:15.680 add that, you know, because it gives us more representation, 0:59:16.760 --> 0:59:21.200 you know, you know, prayerfully, it allows us on another 0:59:21.240 --> 0:59:24.880 senator right to more senators. It allows us an opportunity 0:59:24.920 --> 0:59:28.600 to have more influence nationally and what's going on in Congress, 0:59:28.640 --> 0:59:32.160 and we desperately need that now more than ever before, 0:59:32.920 --> 0:59:35.280 you know. But ultimately I think that all of us 0:59:35.480 --> 0:59:38.440 we need a real convention like that again, like across 0:59:38.800 --> 0:59:41.480 these states. We need a convention that brings us all 0:59:41.480 --> 0:59:44.640 together where we brainstorm these issues in a very real 0:59:44.680 --> 0:59:47.320 way to talk about a pathway forward because a lot 0:59:47.360 --> 0:59:49.520 of people are doing their own thing and it's time 0:59:49.560 --> 0:59:50.840 for us to do something collective. 0:59:51.400 --> 0:59:54.600 Well, hopefully you'll come on June nineteenth through the twenty first. 0:59:54.640 --> 0:59:56.320 We're going to do that with State of the People. 0:59:57.160 --> 0:59:59.880 You know, I talked to Larry Ham yesterday, so. 1:00:00.080 --> 1:00:02.360 Hope that you'll be able to come and hopefully, mister 1:00:02.440 --> 1:00:05.120 mayor with good news on the other. 1:00:05.040 --> 1:00:05.880 Side of an election. 1:00:06.160 --> 1:00:08.960 Yeah, that's right, Thank you governor for joining us. I'm 1:00:08.960 --> 1:00:12.320 predicting good news, So thank you governor for being here. 1:00:12.360 --> 1:00:14.000 And I just want to want to take a quick 1:00:14.040 --> 1:00:16.600 note to our viewers that even if you don't live 1:00:16.640 --> 1:00:19.960 in New Jersey, in this environment we're in, governors are 1:00:20.000 --> 1:00:23.120 on the front lines to push back against this administration. 1:00:23.640 --> 1:00:25.720 And so I don't live in New Jersey. But I'm 1:00:25.760 --> 1:00:28.280 deeply invested in your race, and we all need to 1:00:28.280 --> 1:00:31.000 be deeply invested in these races as a people. So 1:00:31.080 --> 1:00:33.000 thank you, and I'm sure that Alphus will appreciate that 1:00:33.000 --> 1:00:36.880 shout out you gave them. 1:00:37.080 --> 1:00:38.600 Good luck mayor soon to be go. 1:00:39.080 --> 1:00:40.280 Yes, thank you so much. 1:00:40.560 --> 1:00:40.920 Thank you. 1:00:40.960 --> 1:00:44.959 And with this case, yes, yeah, how do you catch 1:00:44.960 --> 1:00:46.080 you trying to catch an election? 1:00:46.160 --> 1:00:47.880 You catch a case like yeah. 1:00:49.560 --> 1:00:52.680 Believe me that he's exhibiting the kind of courage that 1:00:52.800 --> 1:00:54.760 any of us should want in a governor. 1:00:54.840 --> 1:00:55.000 Right. 1:00:55.040 --> 1:00:57.880 I mean, he didn't point it out for himself, but 1:00:57.960 --> 1:01:00.880 at the time that he was arrested, the had already 1:01:00.920 --> 1:01:05.320 been there days before, doing the same thing, day after day, 1:01:05.760 --> 1:01:10.000 bringing attention to this illegally operating facility in his city. 1:01:10.480 --> 1:01:13.040 So when no cameras were there, when the threat of arrest, 1:01:13.120 --> 1:01:17.560 did you know, seemed you know, much less real than 1:01:17.600 --> 1:01:21.120 it actually became, he was standing in the gap. And 1:01:21.400 --> 1:01:23.120 I think that's the kind of that's the kind of 1:01:23.160 --> 1:01:27.400 leadership you want. And I think, ladies, beautifully, I loved 1:01:27.520 --> 1:01:32.880 that he really sensed his argument in one of economics. Uh, 1:01:33.200 --> 1:01:36.080 you know, we drove him in other directions to talk 1:01:36.120 --> 1:01:38.400 about things that we wanted to hear his voice on 1:01:38.440 --> 1:01:42.520 the record on. But he was talking tax breaks, tax incentives, 1:01:43.160 --> 1:01:48.400 home ownership, wealth building strategies, ensuring that you know, startup 1:01:48.400 --> 1:01:52.160 equity is available, you know, to all people across races 1:01:52.200 --> 1:01:55.880 and genders. That I think that's a powerful salient message, 1:01:55.960 --> 1:01:58.360 one that the party nationally needs to get with. But 1:01:58.640 --> 1:02:01.600 but I really love home home base for him, which 1:02:01.600 --> 1:02:04.880 sounds like helping people get the resources they need to 1:02:04.920 --> 1:02:07.840 provide for themselves and their family and beyond. 1:02:08.880 --> 1:02:11.680 Well, I I I want to just tell y'all. 1:02:12.200 --> 1:02:16.520 So I went to Fox News, I know, but I 1:02:16.560 --> 1:02:19.720 wanted to look on here because they have an article 1:02:20.160 --> 1:02:24.160 about Mayor RAS's speech and it says Newark mayor compares 1:02:24.320 --> 1:02:28.520 self to biblical hero in wake of ice protest arrests. 1:02:28.680 --> 1:02:32.480 This is our David moment. These jack asses call this 1:02:32.520 --> 1:02:38.480 thing a political rally, are and completely misrepresent No surprises there. 1:02:38.640 --> 1:02:41.600 What his point was. He was saying that this is 1:02:41.840 --> 1:02:45.440 our collective David moment, and if all we have is 1:02:45.480 --> 1:02:48.560 a few smooth stones in a slingshot, we could take 1:02:48.600 --> 1:02:51.000 it on now. If people don't understand how the United 1:02:51.040 --> 1:02:55.920 States government functions as a goliath in the face of 1:02:56.120 --> 1:02:59.680 every David. Whether you're you're David because you're hungry, or 1:02:59.720 --> 1:03:02.920 you're Dad because you're incarcerated, or you're David because you're 1:03:02.960 --> 1:03:05.840 an immigrant and you're not protected, or you're the child 1:03:05.960 --> 1:03:07.200 of one and you're a dreamer. 1:03:07.520 --> 1:03:09.080 You're a David because. 1:03:08.720 --> 1:03:10.080 You don't know if you're going to be able to 1:03:10.080 --> 1:03:12.800 read the books you need to actually learn in your classroom. 1:03:13.000 --> 1:03:14.880 You might be David because it's like the woman I 1:03:14.920 --> 1:03:17.720 talked about who's a school teacher but sleeps in her car. 1:03:18.040 --> 1:03:21.480 There are a gazillion David's in this country, and we 1:03:21.520 --> 1:03:23.320 should not be trivializing that. 1:03:24.280 --> 1:03:30.280 Thankfully, the people, their audience is ninety four percent white. 1:03:30.920 --> 1:03:34.000 They're mostly conservative people, so they're you know, I don't 1:03:34.080 --> 1:03:36.720 know there, you can never I don't look for reason there, 1:03:36.880 --> 1:03:39.440 you know, And I don't think a majority of sensible 1:03:39.440 --> 1:03:42.320 people are looking at their website or consuming their their 1:03:42.400 --> 1:03:45.920 news every single time. Big it could be. 1:03:45.840 --> 1:03:47.160 A kill it on numbers. 1:03:47.280 --> 1:03:49.760 And so because country is majority white. 1:03:49.800 --> 1:03:55.200 So if one of them happened, one of them, David's 1:03:55.200 --> 1:03:57.439 happened to click on us over here, David's, I hope 1:03:57.440 --> 1:04:00.960 that they hear the rationale was actually just said, there 1:04:01.000 --> 1:04:04.080 are also entities that are black owned that do this 1:04:04.200 --> 1:04:06.439 same kind of thing, And so in case they thought 1:04:06.440 --> 1:04:08.960 they was gonna run this same point, that's why I'm 1:04:08.960 --> 1:04:11.360 bringing it up because it's clickbait. In case you were 1:04:11.360 --> 1:04:13.600 gonna run the same point, at least run the clip 1:04:13.680 --> 1:04:16.160 back before you get your clickbait said. 1:04:16.320 --> 1:04:18.800 That's something I think that might be a good mini 1:04:18.840 --> 1:04:21.960 pod if y'all want to do it, because what you 1:04:22.040 --> 1:04:25.840 just said, Angela about black outlets picking up conservative talking points, 1:04:25.880 --> 1:04:29.000 which they do from Fox, because I have seen them much. Yes, 1:04:30.040 --> 1:04:33.600 and for me personally, like even when you were saying that, 1:04:33.680 --> 1:04:35.960 I'm like, I don't care what white people reading, what 1:04:36.000 --> 1:04:37.640 they think about, Like, I just don't have the energy. 1:04:37.920 --> 1:04:40.600 Should we should we care? Should we be talking to 1:04:40.640 --> 1:04:42.120 white folks? Y'all want to talk about that on Mini 1:04:42.120 --> 1:04:42.640 pot or no care? 1:04:43.760 --> 1:04:45.680 Yeah, I definitely want to talk about it, because. 1:04:48.080 --> 1:04:49.720 Well, was that about that on Mini pot? But now, 1:04:49.760 --> 1:04:52.680 so y'all be sure that they called it a political rally, 1:04:52.720 --> 1:04:54.120 I'm mad as hell about that. 1:04:54.120 --> 1:04:55.520 That is not what this was. 1:04:56.600 --> 1:04:59.800 Well, luckily not to we don't share too many audience 1:04:59.800 --> 1:05:02.280 men is with them. Okay, On the other side, of 1:05:02.320 --> 1:05:05.280 his break. We got calls to action, and given everything 1:05:05.280 --> 1:05:07.160 we talked about on this show, you want to stick 1:05:07.200 --> 1:05:19.120 around for this one. Now it is time for calls 1:05:19.120 --> 1:05:24.760 to action. Alls to action, and I want to know 1:05:24.960 --> 1:05:27.000 what everybody's calls to action is? Do y'all want me 1:05:27.000 --> 1:05:28.640 to go first? Y'allready? Who got one? 1:05:29.880 --> 1:05:30.840 Going with the hosts? 1:05:31.280 --> 1:05:32.080 Oh my god? 1:05:39.040 --> 1:05:45.240 Going with it? I was like, and to comfortable, pak 1:05:45.440 --> 1:05:45.720 leave in? 1:05:45.720 --> 1:05:46.479 Are right now. 1:05:48.720 --> 1:05:57.760 Going with it? That would actually be in this song, 1:06:00.080 --> 1:06:03.880 you know, arrative. 1:06:06.480 --> 1:06:09.600 To counter the Fox narratives here that's actually. 1:06:09.320 --> 1:06:13.320 Should be to Fox. We should call Fox. That call. 1:06:16.360 --> 1:06:18.160 That sound like it could be a big bobble song. 1:06:18.200 --> 1:06:20.640 I feel that's about this. Don't still our idea if 1:06:20.720 --> 1:06:21.840 y'all make that song, y'all. 1:06:22.040 --> 1:06:24.040 But you got it? What's your mumbo rap gonna be? Tip? 1:06:24.080 --> 1:06:25.360 What's your mumbo rap gonna sound like? 1:06:26.040 --> 1:06:28.120 I gotta work on it. I'm not a good freestyler. 1:06:28.840 --> 1:06:30.400 It's a mumble rap. So you ain't got a thing 1:06:30.440 --> 1:06:30.760 too art. 1:06:30.760 --> 1:06:42.360 It's gonna be like, what are you saying? 1:06:43.000 --> 1:06:44.400 Make that money for the rip? 1:06:47.880 --> 1:06:49.720 Hey? They got it's I'm wrong with us. 1:06:50.160 --> 1:06:52.200 I blame it on the New York Traffic Today. I 1:06:52.320 --> 1:06:57.000 just brig get that info, then leave and does how 1:06:57.080 --> 1:07:08.200 to make see I'm talking about No, I was in 1:07:08.200 --> 1:07:10.520 the car. We were listening anyway she was. 1:07:10.760 --> 1:07:14.120 She was definitely checking messages because. 1:07:13.880 --> 1:07:17.080 Well, because Andrew said, gone away to hell, I'm about 1:07:17.080 --> 1:07:19.520 to go with my call to action. I'll be quick. 1:07:20.080 --> 1:07:22.600 I'm not. You should make them go after that. 1:07:25.280 --> 1:07:28.360 Uh, this is my call to action, aside from y'all 1:07:28.360 --> 1:07:30.600 still not using your headphones when you're public. There're driving 1:07:30.600 --> 1:07:32.440 me crazy. I don't want to hear a conversation. But 1:07:32.600 --> 1:07:35.000 this is the real call to action. For every single 1:07:35.080 --> 1:07:38.960 time that you say, that's not my problem, I'm minding 1:07:39.040 --> 1:07:41.840 my business. When you say, well, they voted for him, 1:07:41.920 --> 1:07:45.680 so shoulder shrug, I would just ask, please don't consume 1:07:46.080 --> 1:07:50.400 the spoon fed media narrative. That is a lie. Every 1:07:50.480 --> 1:07:54.840 community of color voted overwhelmingly for Kamala Harris. You can 1:07:55.240 --> 1:08:00.320 take a look and disaggregate the data for yourself. Us 1:08:00.360 --> 1:08:02.840 try to have I want to encourage people try to 1:08:02.880 --> 1:08:06.000 have some curiosity and not just take things that are 1:08:06.040 --> 1:08:10.360 being fed to us, because that is with intention. They 1:08:10.440 --> 1:08:13.080 can sit back and laugh while all the black and 1:08:13.120 --> 1:08:15.919 brown folks are fighting with each other and they are 1:08:15.920 --> 1:08:19.600 depending on apathy to keep If you're waiting for some 1:08:19.760 --> 1:08:22.880 imaginary line for this fight to come to your door, 1:08:22.920 --> 1:08:26.320 that line has been crossed. And this fight has to 1:08:26.360 --> 1:08:28.799 be all of ours. At fourteen percent of the population, 1:08:28.920 --> 1:08:30.920 we can't win it on our own. So I would 1:08:30.920 --> 1:08:33.479 just ask us to reach deep into our humanity and 1:08:33.520 --> 1:08:36.560 get into this fight. That's my CTA. 1:08:36.680 --> 1:08:41.840 I love it. Who nicks Okay, I will go. Mine 1:08:41.880 --> 1:08:44.479 is more of a testimony, and it's a testament to 1:08:44.520 --> 1:08:46.519 this show. And had I thought better about it, I 1:08:46.520 --> 1:08:48.479 probably would have ran the clip back. But we had 1:08:49.080 --> 1:08:53.519 a young man named Jaya who's sent in a question 1:08:53.760 --> 1:08:57.679 about how to get involved after feeling hopeless in this moment. 1:08:58.280 --> 1:09:04.000 And when I tell y'all, Jaia ran so much of 1:09:04.080 --> 1:09:08.400 the Newark State of the People Power Tour event. He 1:09:08.720 --> 1:09:13.880 was the rally stage lead. He was tremendous, and he 1:09:14.000 --> 1:09:17.559 turned around on that stage yesterday and said, Angela, this 1:09:17.680 --> 1:09:21.519 is because you told me to get involved. And I 1:09:21.560 --> 1:09:26.240 am like, this is how it's done, like one mind 1:09:26.360 --> 1:09:29.719 at a time, and that one mind being changed touched 1:09:29.960 --> 1:09:34.280 hundreds of lives yesterday in Newark. So Jaia, I'm shouting 1:09:34.320 --> 1:09:36.799 you out and all of the Jayas that have felt 1:09:36.800 --> 1:09:38.360 that but didn't send in your question. 1:09:38.600 --> 1:09:40.040 We still will receive your questions. 1:09:40.680 --> 1:09:42.400 I just want you all to know we see you, 1:09:42.640 --> 1:09:44.920 We thank God for you, and it takes young people 1:09:45.040 --> 1:09:46.959 like you to really make the difference. 1:09:47.439 --> 1:09:49.599 You're here. He was like, put me in, coach. 1:09:49.880 --> 1:09:51.640 He was no, he didn't even wait to be put in. 1:09:51.720 --> 1:09:53.800 He was just like, I'm drafted. What's good, I'm going, 1:09:53.920 --> 1:09:54.280 let's go. 1:09:54.720 --> 1:09:55.559 He showed up. 1:09:55.640 --> 1:09:56.040 Yeah. 1:09:56.080 --> 1:10:02.200 Well mine specific to person. Now, you said I heard. 1:10:02.040 --> 1:10:05.200 You, Well, you said I heard I. 1:10:05.240 --> 1:10:13.000 Heard that host, host, host, the the T, the S 1:10:13.080 --> 1:10:21.759 and T silent. Well, bitch, that's a whole word. Excuse 1:10:21.800 --> 1:10:29.760 me for the production break production, We gotta go. All right, 1:10:29.800 --> 1:10:32.439 this is my day. If you see any of my people, 1:10:32.439 --> 1:10:34.960 tell them happy Birthday. Between now and then, my wife 1:10:35.040 --> 1:10:37.720 Jay celebrated her birthday, and my son David's birthday is 1:10:37.760 --> 1:10:41.240 today as he celebrates with a broken arm. 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