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Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome home. Y'all. This is episode seventy nine of
Speaker 1: Native Lampod where we give it to you straight, no chaser.
Speaker 1: I am here as your host and with my fellow
Speaker 1: co host, I'm Tiffany Cross here with Angela Rye, who's
Speaker 1: running late but she will join us shortly. And Andrew
Speaker 1: Gillham and I'm not running it. You're not running late, Andrew.
Speaker 1: How you feeling, I'm good, I'm good friend, Good to
Speaker 1: see you you too.
Speaker 3: What they serving a Denny's did it?
Speaker 1: Very funny? So Andrew is trying to say, it looks
Speaker 1: like I'm in a Denny's background, but I'm actually in
Speaker 1: a DJ booth in a pretty cool location by the way.
Speaker 1: But before we even get too deep into that, what
Speaker 1: we're talking about today, oh Frian, Oh friend, I know that, okay.
Speaker 1: So basically Andrew is saying that because what we're going
Speaker 1: to get into today, and y'all brace yourselves, as we've
Speaker 1: been here before, is government retaliation. So we're going to
Speaker 1: be talking about government corruption, which Andrew, you know about
Speaker 1: government retaliation. Uh, I think they're acting corrupt as they're
Speaker 1: going after people. I'm really excited that we exactly really
Speaker 1: excited that we have Mayor ros Baraka, who is also
Speaker 1: running for governor of New Jersey. So when Angela gets here,
Speaker 1: she'll tell us more about securing him as a guest.
Speaker 1: But you guys perhaps saw this week that he had
Speaker 1: a tussle, he was arrested essentially by ICE agents, right right, targeted.
Speaker 1: Targeted is probably a more and with more intention to
Speaker 1: say that that happened to him, which is awful. So
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's just making me really uncomfortable, Andrew,
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, because it feels like people
Speaker 1: are waiting for some imaginary line for this government to cross,
Speaker 1: and that line has been crossed already. And I wonder
Speaker 1: like people have to show up to your house and
Speaker 1: drag you out for you to say, oh shit, this
Speaker 1: is a serious problem.
Speaker 3: You're close to it, Tiffany, you're close to I think
Speaker 3: what has to happen, which is it's one thing to
Speaker 3: see it on television. It's one thing to see a
Speaker 3: doctoral student who simply co signed a not even physically signed,
Speaker 3: just basically say what they said to the student Senate,
Speaker 3: the elected student representation who passes a resolution, and she
Speaker 3: says that's good, and what do they do. They ghost
Speaker 3: her right off the streets. And so it's one thing
Speaker 3: to watch it. It's a whole nother thing entirely to
Speaker 3: experience it. And I don't think folks are going to
Speaker 3: I don't think it will hit them over the head
Speaker 3: like it's hit us over the head until you are
Speaker 3: in close proximity to the government taking similar actions against
Speaker 3: you or somebody you care about. I'm convinced of it,
Speaker 3: just because otherwise we would have all been abhorred by
Speaker 3: what we've seen, all of us would have taken to
Speaker 3: the streets based off of what we saw happen, excuse
Speaker 3: me in Massachusetts over at Tuffs, but we didn't. We
Speaker 3: didn't because it wasn't us. It makes me, it makes
Speaker 3: me fearful for all of us, but it also makes
Speaker 3: me mostly concerned for everyday people, regular Americans, who are
Speaker 3: not noticing what is exceptional about this moment. And I
Speaker 3: don't use the term exceptional as a positive. Exceptionally bad
Speaker 3: is what we're experiencing. You know.
Speaker 1: I'm curious because we'll talk about this more when the
Speaker 1: mayor joins us. But the very issue why he was
Speaker 1: even there to protest is that there was this private
Speaker 1: prison there that is not regulated, and he was there
Speaker 1: to investigate. As the mayor of his city. He was
Speaker 1: there to investigate, to look into it in this private
Speaker 1: prison where they are housing undie documented migrants and so.
Speaker 3: And I actually think he was looking into the fact
Speaker 3: that it is not I don't believe it has achieved
Speaker 3: the necessary licensing. Now we can ask him, of course.
Speaker 3: My guess is is that over any building that goes
Speaker 3: up in Newark that the mayor and council and their
Speaker 3: staff have a sayer over whether you're meeting code, did
Speaker 3: you meet fire code, did you meet building inspections and
Speaker 3: other codes. Now I could be wrong because I haven't
Speaker 3: gained this from him directly, but we can, of course
Speaker 3: ask today. But if the mayor's job is to ensure
Speaker 3: that every building that stands in his community is safe
Speaker 3: to occupy for business, then it seems to me he
Speaker 3: would have been well within his right. He or his
Speaker 3: code enforcement officials well within the right to not only
Speaker 3: be at the premises but in the premises to ensure
Speaker 3: that they are complying with local, state, and federal law,
Speaker 3: but very specifically.
Speaker 1: Right, and as a former mayor yourself, you know all
Speaker 1: too well the responsibility he has. But I also if
Speaker 1: we're at the point in this country where we're arresting mayors,
Speaker 1: you know, I just where do we go from here?
Speaker 1: And I think the point I was trying to get
Speaker 1: to earlier is the idea that there are way too
Speaker 1: many of us in our community, in the black community,
Speaker 1: who said, well, that's who they voted for, So you know,
Speaker 1: I'm minding my black business. That ain't it?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: That?
Speaker 4: Is not it?
Speaker 1: Number one? I think we have to have a little
Speaker 1: more intellectual curiosity about the voter data. Too often we
Speaker 1: are spoon fed and narrative by lazy ass reporters from
Speaker 1: mainstream media who have not disaggregated this data. When you
Speaker 1: look at the different communities, particularly in the Latino community,
Speaker 1: there is no community of color who voted overwhelmingly for
Speaker 1: Donald Trump. Every community of color voted overwhelmingly for Kamala
Speaker 1: Harris in the Latino community. When you disaggregate, because again
Speaker 1: the white man came along and said, all of y'all
Speaker 1: qualify as Hispanics we're putting all of you all in
Speaker 1: that category. But in truth, these are people from different
Speaker 1: countries of origin, different backgrounds. It's like if they said,
Speaker 1: all of y'all, you know black folks are the same,
Speaker 1: and you have somebody from you know, Tallahassee, you got
Speaker 1: somebody from the Dirty South, somebody from you got somebody
Speaker 1: from Jamaica, and somebody from Kenya. You got you know,
Speaker 1: the black Brits, a black Parisian, and all of us
Speaker 1: are supposed to represent one and I think we have
Speaker 1: to have we just have to look at this a
Speaker 1: bit differently. And so, yes, the Trump administration was able
Speaker 1: to make inroads among Latino men where he was able
Speaker 1: to peel off a significant portion of Latino men to
Speaker 1: vote for him. Once we acknowledge that, then we have
Speaker 1: to look at the rampant disinformation campaigns that were running
Speaker 1: in Spanish language to that community. We also have to
Speaker 1: acknowledge the anti black sentiment that exists in all communities,
Speaker 1: even black communities sometimes okay black, but communities everywhere. So yes,
Speaker 1: I hear the outrage, I understand it all, but I
Speaker 1: just want to say, when you look at who, then
Speaker 1: people's understanding of socialism you know, if you have fled
Speaker 1: a socialist country, you don't necessarily understand the nuance difference
Speaker 1: when American politicians are saying things about socialism. But even
Speaker 1: when you it's like somebody saying, you know, if something
Speaker 1: happened to a black man, it's like, well, he didn't
Speaker 1: vote for Kamala, and it's like no, that was the
Speaker 1: narrative that the mainstream media was trying to feed you all.
Speaker 1: But we knew that, ain't it. Black men are overwhelmingly
Speaker 1: voting for Kamala Harris. But again, he was able to
Speaker 1: make certain in roads with a small sect of black
Speaker 1: men a larger sect of Latino men. My point in
Speaker 1: saying all this is I'm sounding the alarm because if
Speaker 1: you're sitting on the sideline saying this ain't my problem,
Speaker 1: my mind, in my black business, where do you think
Speaker 1: they're going next? Do you think they're going to stop?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 4: They right?
Speaker 1: That's a good point I'm saying, going and you're right
Speaker 1: and correcting me saying they are here. If they are
Speaker 1: disappearing people who don't look like us, do you think
Speaker 1: they're going to stop at us? Like this? Quite frankly
Speaker 1: is our collective.
Speaker 3: They've been disappearing us. Right, this is not know this story.
Speaker 1: This whole thing that we've never seen this, we've seen
Speaker 1: this before, like we we know.
Speaker 3: If you're so, you're so right. And I guess for
Speaker 3: me it's I don't care about the data and who
Speaker 3: voted for whom in this regard he was elected, Okay,
Speaker 3: But just because you get elected, you don't own the Constitution.
Speaker 3: The Constitution is a predecessor to you by centuries, not
Speaker 3: as many as a lot of Americans like to walk
Speaker 3: around here thinking we are, but by centuries. The Constitution
Speaker 3: predates you and has been attempted to have been made
Speaker 3: more perfect along the way. It will, hopefully if we
Speaker 3: do our job. As the framer said, a republic, if
Speaker 3: you can keep it well. Part of keeping it is
Speaker 3: making sure this man doesn't run away with the Constitution
Speaker 3: flanking himself in it, as if that means he can't
Speaker 3: be a complete destroyer of it. And that's what we're
Speaker 3: seeing right now. So yes, they elected him, sure, but
Speaker 3: guess what, there are some fabled and some staid documents
Speaker 3: that actually outlasts who the individual occupant is of the office,
Speaker 3: and based off that by itself, No, you don't get
Speaker 3: to rough run, shot run, rough shot over my rights.
Speaker 3: My rights were here before you those that I have,
Speaker 3: and I hope the game more in the future. But
Speaker 3: right now, what you're not gonna do is you're not
Speaker 3: about to rip them away from me and watch me
Speaker 3: act on like a bystander as if I don't have
Speaker 3: a say in the thing. We do have a say,
Speaker 3: and it requires us standing up. The Framers were smart
Speaker 3: to say if you can keep it, because it puts
Speaker 3: the responsibility back on us as voters, as citizens. Forget
Speaker 3: voters as citizens, it's to hold them to account. It's
Speaker 3: a higher call.
Speaker 1: We can't keep it. I mean, that's the conclusion. We
Speaker 1: cannot keep it, and I that doesn't mean that we
Speaker 1: don't fight, but we can't keep it. But I'm curious
Speaker 1: your thoughts, Andrew, when it comes to this attitude of people,
Speaker 1: you know, like just shoulders shrugg Well, the Palestindians had,
Speaker 1: you know, their protests vote in Michigan, so I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna get in that fight, and Latinos voted for Trump.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get in that fight when the data
Speaker 1: just doesn't support any of that. But I do understand
Speaker 1: the frustration, but to me. It feels like the white
Speaker 1: man sitting back laughing at all of this while we're
Speaker 1: in fighting. We're barely fourteen percent of the population. This
Speaker 1: is not a battle that can be won without allies,
Speaker 1: and allies are made, they are not born. So I
Speaker 1: do think this is a collective fight, not as some
Speaker 1: self sacrificial lambs in service to a country that harms us,
Speaker 1: but in self serving people who understand I cannot battle
Speaker 1: this goliath of a corrupt United States government that has
Speaker 1: already fall into a dictator. I cannot battle it and
Speaker 1: survive it by myself. But what do we say to
Speaker 1: people to convey that message? Because every time we post something,
Speaker 1: a lot of the comments on NLP, on our socials,
Speaker 1: on YouTube, a lot of it is like, well, that
Speaker 1: ain't my fight, And it's really disheartening because it's like
Speaker 1: it's gonna be. It is your fight, you just don't
Speaker 1: know it yet.
Speaker 3: Anyone who draws that conclusion is a ghost walking. You're
Speaker 3: not living in this real, lived, you know life that
Speaker 3: you and I are experiencing right now. Because if I
Speaker 3: know Black folk better than nearly any people, they understand
Speaker 3: that when the worst is done to a group, unlike
Speaker 3: us that whatever is coming our way is going to
Speaker 3: be multiples worse they You know, we used to grow
Speaker 3: up with the saying, if America catches a cold, black
Speaker 3: people catch you know, the flu. Now we can say
Speaker 3: ko covid.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 3: But but but in truth, I don't know that we
Speaker 3: have I don't know that we have the shorthand language
Speaker 3: to describe how overwhelmingly negatively impacted we are when the
Speaker 3: country turns fascists, when the nation turns more racist, when
Speaker 3: the racist, when the when the nation headed by Donald
Speaker 3: Trump turns against white people and us. Yeah, just know
Speaker 3: that whatever is about to be served up to us
Speaker 3: is going to be multiples worse of what everyone else
Speaker 3: is getting. And the reason why I included, you know,
Speaker 3: a white majority in that and that example, Tiffany, is
Speaker 3: because the white majority is experiencing the ebbs and flow
Speaker 3: of Trump's terror, crayon battle whatever he thinks he's his
Speaker 3: his barbies. Maybe this year your kid instead of getting
Speaker 3: many barbies, they get to now he about to take
Speaker 3: a four hundred thous four hundred million dollar playing but
Speaker 3: but for free, as as a sitting president, you know,
Speaker 3: be damned monuments the moment. But in this case, I'm like,
Speaker 3: I got an.
Speaker 1: I said it, you would have clown me. But I'm
Speaker 1: going to be mentioned.
Speaker 3: I got there. I got there with a little help.
Speaker 1: But you know, can you just take a quick second
Speaker 1: and explain the emoluments clause you want to, But I just.
Speaker 3: Want what Tiffany just said. That word right there, monuments
Speaker 3: is the is at the very beginning our constitution calling
Speaker 3: out the fact that you cannot take gifts from a
Speaker 3: foreign power. In fact, presidents should not take gifts. Uh. Period.
Speaker 3: Neither Supreme Court justices if I were being completely honest.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 3: But but the folks in Saudi the Far East and
Speaker 3: the Middle East, what they know well is they know
Speaker 3: Donald Trump's language well, and that language is a language
Speaker 3: of uplift, of flattery, of complementing, of flatter. Better word,
Speaker 3: the flattery, the gifts, the the the exertions that you
Speaker 3: make that remind them of their station, or at least
Speaker 3: the perception of.
Speaker 1: This we got a president has been flued out basically
Speaker 1: by the Qataris. And the fact of the matter is
Speaker 1: Pam Bondy of this country's US Attorney General, has advised
Speaker 1: him that legally he can accept this because they're trying
Speaker 1: to do it under the guise of it's a donation
Speaker 1: to the Department of Defense. I don't believe for one second,
Speaker 1: if this president should ever voluntarily leave office, I don't
Speaker 1: believe for one second that he's going to leave this
Speaker 1: plush ass plane behind. We should also point out that
Speaker 1: Pam Bondi, before taking this role, previously lobbied for the country,
Speaker 1: right exactly, so I yeah.
Speaker 3: And she's also the personal you show you you gave
Speaker 3: her a prom the US Attorney general. She is clearly
Speaker 3: the personal attorney for Donald Trump. Guys, yes, and the
Speaker 3: and the and and and the description of attorney general.
Speaker 3: But the Attorney's General is America's attorney But all she
Speaker 3: seems to do is cap for him.
Speaker 1: It's frightening and this but this is what I mean, Andrew,
Speaker 1: because all of these things are kind of over a
Speaker 1: lot of people's heads, you know, like, I'm not waking
Speaker 1: up panic because Donald Trump took a plane from Qatar.
Speaker 1: I'm not, you know, in a panic because he seems
Speaker 1: to be personally profiting off of his Middle East trip.
Speaker 1: All of those things seem like distant problems. And I
Speaker 1: think that people will start paying attention when this problem
Speaker 1: knocks on your front door. What they don't understand is
Speaker 1: that problem is here, like like knocking that right now.
Speaker 1: That problem is knocking at your front door. When they
Speaker 1: talk about the Medicaid all of it, you know you
Speaker 1: have been impacted by it. I embracing myself to be
Speaker 1: impacted by they're looking at SNAP benefits. I think about
Speaker 1: the people in my family who get SNAP. I mean
Speaker 1: they're real tangible things. The cuts to NIH, people will
Speaker 1: die if they haven't already. Somebody should be I hope
Speaker 1: a journalist projects and one of these j schools need
Speaker 1: to keep a running tab on how many deaths this president.
Speaker 1: You can start with COVID, you can start from twenty sixteen.
Speaker 1: How many deaths this president is responsible for at this point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm scare. Yeah, if you said something and I
Speaker 3: didn't want to let that thread go, which was people
Speaker 3: don't understand, you know, when they see the four hundred
Speaker 3: million dollar jet going, I would beg to offer that
Speaker 3: people do no grift when they see it, they see
Speaker 3: him grifting. The problem is is that people's opinions of
Speaker 3: what politicians are and what they do is has been
Speaker 3: reshaped and frankly reshaped and in many ways by Donald Trump.
Speaker 3: But I won't put that solely at his feet because
Speaker 3: they've been corrupt people before. But they see him acting ruptly,
Speaker 3: they see him as as as a felon in the
Speaker 3: White House, and so things that run up against law,
Speaker 3: you know, become gray. Used to be black and white. Now,
Speaker 3: by the way, if it were me, it's going to
Speaker 3: be black or white. If it were you, it's going
Speaker 3: to be black or white. But he gets the grace
Speaker 3: of gray, right, so they just they suspend with it.
Speaker 3: So I think our job becomes not letting it go.
Speaker 3: I think we still have to, you know, sound the
Speaker 3: trumpet on those things. But I think you're right to
Speaker 3: go in the direction of how we make the consequences
Speaker 3: plain for what you're going to experience in your everyday life. Now,
Speaker 3: you don't need me to tell you at home that
Speaker 3: you can't do without Medicare you need me at home
Speaker 3: to tell you that you know? And maybe you've got
Speaker 3: personal health insurance and your kids, but think about your parents,
Speaker 3: your brothers and sisters in them, the folks that can
Speaker 3: care about who may rely on these systems to get by.
Speaker 3: What are they doing? No, they're not taking it away
Speaker 3: what they're doing is a change the criteria. And by
Speaker 3: changing that criteria, when you go in this next time
Speaker 3: and you're like, I was eligible last time. Oh no, no, no,
Speaker 3: there's an update. There's a part Z to the plan.
Speaker 3: Then Part Z says, if you have a job and
Speaker 3: you make minimum wage, nah, you don't qualify regardless how
Speaker 3: much you earned from week to week, month to month,
Speaker 3: year to year.
Speaker 1: And not just medicaid, like I said, snap benefits, like
Speaker 1: all of it. Absolutely, we're going to take a quick break,
Speaker 1: gotta pay some bills, but we're going to pick this
Speaker 1: conversation up on the other side. I do just want
Speaker 1: to say a quick little announcement that Angela is in
Speaker 1: the building, so she's going to be joining us shortly.
Speaker 1: She's caught up in New York traffic. As you guys know,
Speaker 1: the State of the People tour is happening, and yes,
Speaker 1: and so she got to be in New Jersey this
Speaker 1: week with the Mayor ROSBROCKA will be joining us shortly.
Speaker 1: So she got caught up in a little bit of
Speaker 1: New York City right on cue right, she must have
Speaker 1: heard me say her name, yes, but but the audience
Speaker 1: can see that she is at least here. Literally, I
Speaker 1: was just saying, Angela is in the building.
Speaker 6: Uh, yes, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1: We in it, We in it. I was just saying
Speaker 1: that you were the State of the People tour is going,
Speaker 1: you're in New Jersey or you were in New Jersey
Speaker 1: this week with the mayor, and so you hit a
Speaker 1: bit of New York City traffic. So just to catch yeah, well,
Speaker 1: just to catch you up. We were just talking about surprise,
Speaker 1: surprise government corruption, Yes, and we were. We got a
Speaker 1: little bit into Donald Trump, excepting the plane from uh,
Speaker 1: the government of Qatar. Kyle or Howard say, which is
Speaker 1: ridiculous and direct violation of the monument's.
Speaker 3: Clause or a monument Andrew.
Speaker 1: I did not say. But Andrew was trying to say, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was a violation of the monuments, all the monuments.
Speaker 3: Not just one of the monument's clause, but the.
Speaker 4: Clause.
Speaker 6: There's one thing we can there's one thing we can
Speaker 6: count on. We can count on him to be in
Speaker 6: violation at every clause. It was and wasn't he You know,
Speaker 6: this man has eighty eight indictments. Uh, well had eight
Speaker 6: eight indictments at the time he was running for president.
Speaker 6: I don't know how many they shed since then that
Speaker 6: they decided to get off. But listen here, I I
Speaker 6: just nothing surprises me anymore. And I think the frustration is,
Speaker 6: you know, when you tell kids, hey, guys, if you
Speaker 6: just follow the rules and you're you know, you do
Speaker 6: the right thing, good things will come to you. And
Speaker 6: I can't tell you how many people we meet on
Speaker 6: this tour. How many people are doing the right thing
Speaker 6: every single day and they don't get a break.
Speaker 4: But this guy, this bully, this you know again, we
Speaker 4: get I.
Speaker 6: Don't know about y'all, but I learned about put downs
Speaker 6: from Miss Lindsay in the second grade. And he can
Speaker 6: put down and he still comes up right. As it
Speaker 6: is fascinating and remarkably unfair. And when kids now say
Speaker 6: it ain't fair, what are we gonna tell them except
Speaker 6: for their right something I wanted to do.
Speaker 3: It depends on who the kids are right. Because that's
Speaker 3: the conclusion I draw about this man, is that lett
Speaker 3: none of us make the mistake of believing that we
Speaker 3: would get the same second, third, fourth, fifth chances. I
Speaker 3: mean to the point that you're making the folks you're
Speaker 3: encountering on this tour who are putting their shoulder to
Speaker 3: the wheel every day, day and day out, on off days,
Speaker 3: on breaks, if there was such a thing that they're
Speaker 3: putting it in. And we can't make sense of how
Speaker 3: it is that we end up at the back of
Speaker 3: the line every single time. But the people who are
Speaker 3: skipping the line, who are not not not taking the test,
Speaker 3: but having it taken for them, grades put in before
Speaker 3: you sit for it, you know, and and and and
Speaker 3: it seems that every advantage seems to fall their way.
Speaker 1: Didn't get away in because I wanted your opinion on this, Angela.
Speaker 1: I was saying you and I talked about it a
Speaker 1: little bit this week about all the people who the
Speaker 1: very reason that Mayor ros Broko was even at this
Speaker 1: private prison because it's a place where they are Andrew
Speaker 1: gave us great context. But it's a place where they
Speaker 1: are housing undocumented according to the government. I don't trust
Speaker 1: everything they say, but according to them, it's a place
Speaker 1: where they're housing undocumented immigrants. And I brought up the
Speaker 1: fact that we hear so many times and comments on
Speaker 1: our page and just for me in conversation with people, well,
Speaker 1: that ain't my problem my mind, in my black business.
Speaker 1: That's who they voted for our mind in my black business.
Speaker 1: And I have to remind people all the time undocumented
Speaker 1: immigrants cannot vot vote, they did not vote. And then
Speaker 1: when you look at the data, every community of color
Speaker 1: voted overwhelmingly for Kamala Harris, including the Latino community. Donald
Speaker 1: Trump was able to make inroads and gains among Latino men,
Speaker 1: but the Latino community as a whole, But even that aside,
Speaker 1: it's got to be our fight. So I'm just curious
Speaker 1: on the state of the people tour. When you encounter people,
Speaker 1: I'm sure you might hear similar things, but what is
Speaker 1: your message to people who have that attitude?
Speaker 6: You know, I'm glad you asked that. I want to
Speaker 6: give doctor David John's a plug here. Yes, David John's
Speaker 6: is running our black papers process. The black papers now,
Speaker 6: I think we have over twenty eight black papers that
Speaker 6: will be dropped throughout this tour. And just yesterday our
Speaker 6: immigration paper was released. So the Black Black Lines for
Speaker 6: Just Immigration spoke on our panel in Newark. I know
Speaker 6: I said yesterday, but what I meant to say was
Speaker 6: this week, earlier this week, as Tiffany would have us
Speaker 6: to say. And so what I think is important is that.
Speaker 6: You know, there's not a single policy area in this
Speaker 6: country that doesn't touch a black body. You know, folks
Speaker 6: are like, oh well, especially some of the folks who
Speaker 6: were just relentless on social about you.
Speaker 4: Know, well, why are we doing this?
Speaker 6: You know, we're not immigrants who were forced here, that
Speaker 6: is true, but many of us have in our lineage
Speaker 6: Haitian ancestry, Guyanese ancestry, some type of Caribbean ancestry, Afro
Speaker 6: Latino ancestry, straight from the continent ancestry, right right, Because that's.
Speaker 4: Really what that boils down to.
Speaker 6: Even when we talk about Brazil, Brazil which was the
Speaker 6: largest receiver of enslaved people in the Bellius ships. So
Speaker 6: when we think about the many layers, all the many layers,
Speaker 6: it impacts us. And even if somehow remarkably for five
Speaker 6: generations you don't have any immigrants, let's say that's the case.
Speaker 6: You have somebody in your community who you every day
Speaker 6: at the grocery store, or who drives the school bus,
Speaker 6: or who cleans the house, or who is the nanny
Speaker 6: is somebody's children, or who is a healthcare worker, or
Speaker 6: who is a construction worker, or who is an everyday
Speaker 6: citizen just mining their business walking down the block.
Speaker 4: It touches you, and.
Speaker 6: It is going to change the fabric of many people's
Speaker 6: neighborhoods in ways that they have no idea. So long
Speaker 6: as we continue to say, well, this doesn't apply to me,
Speaker 6: and maybe immigration doesn't apply to you, but these tariffs do.
Speaker 6: Maybe these tariffs don't apply to you, but how healthcare
Speaker 6: does and prescription drugs costs, Like, there's no way that this,
Speaker 6: the oppressive regime that we now find ourselves under, is
Speaker 6: not going to touch you in a very real way,
Speaker 6: especially when we say, well, the safest people that we
Speaker 6: can count on right now, we know if you're an
Speaker 6: elected office, you're in a safe place. No, not even
Speaker 6: on the soil of a you know, a private prison
Speaker 6: right on the outside. Mayor res was on the outside
Speaker 6: and now we're gonna hear from him, but on the
Speaker 6: outside of this prison and on city land, and they
Speaker 6: still found a way to say that he was trespassing.
Speaker 6: There are people who they are holding in in that
Speaker 6: private prison who are allegedly in violation of their immigration status.
Speaker 6: They are painting it out. Do you guys remember that
Speaker 6: show America's Most Wanted.
Speaker 1: I was a producer on that show. Yes, I remember
Speaker 1: it very much.
Speaker 4: Yeah you should.
Speaker 6: You should remember it so Tiff when they used to
Speaker 6: hold up the mug shots and the music that comes
Speaker 6: on on the music I Traveled.
Speaker 1: I work with guys over I was producing for Travel.
Speaker 4: If you want to, I just want to.
Speaker 6: Whatever it is. If you want to tell the story,
Speaker 6: you can. I'm just saying there was a dramatic effect
Speaker 6: about it. And these people have dropped us right into
Speaker 6: an episode of America's Most Wanted.
Speaker 4: Every time Christy Noam comes on with.
Speaker 6: Her makeup done and a bulletproof vest child like, that's
Speaker 6: what they're doing. They're trying to create this dramatic series
Speaker 6: of America's Most wanta and it is at the expense
Speaker 6: of the child who's not gonna get to work, get
Speaker 6: to school the next day because they just thole her mama. Yeah,
Speaker 6: they're abducting humans, that's what's happening right now.
Speaker 1: Yes, and for what and shipping them to offshore torture camps.
Speaker 1: And now they're because of course, this is kind of
Speaker 1: the point that I think we're all making. It is
Speaker 1: not going to stop at migrants. So now the next
Speaker 1: conversation and but we have to tap into our humanity
Speaker 1: that we give a shit about them too. We are
Speaker 1: not big enough in this community, in this country to
Speaker 1: fight this fight alone and inevitably, as we as black
Speaker 1: people always know. Of course, now it's coming to us
Speaker 1: because now they're in conversations with Rwanda and other countries
Speaker 1: to ship American citizens who are incarcerated to foreign countries.
Speaker 1: And who knows. And I'm be honest with you all,
Speaker 1: if I were one of these leaders in Africa, I
Speaker 1: would be like, yeah, send me all your your black
Speaker 1: people in prison, Send them all because we're gonna build
Speaker 1: an army. We will train them and build an army.
Speaker 4: Now this is the tip I want to cut.
Speaker 6: This is it because yo, and I tell you right now,
Speaker 6: I'm gonna find every leader of an African nation I
Speaker 6: can to be like, hey, we have a great idea.
Speaker 4: I stole tips.
Speaker 1: I want to start an initiative trying to tell you,
Speaker 1: especially because we might be next that the right things
Speaker 1: are going.
Speaker 4: We'll talk about that next week.
Speaker 1: So hell, y'all want to tune in next week because.
Speaker 4: You're definitely gonna want to tune in for this. They
Speaker 4: have to get us, y'all. I get start.
Speaker 1: We can't tell you yet because we need.
Speaker 4: To talk to a lawyer.
Speaker 3: Yes, they see some of it, they need all of it.
Speaker 4: Andrew talking about they tried to come from what right?
Speaker 3: No, no, no, I don't. I don't believe that once
Speaker 3: is enough.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 6: If Tiff and Tiff and Andrew are heavy on this.
Speaker 3: No, I'm not the For me. It is still metaphorical,
Speaker 3: which is like, in every way in which you should
Speaker 3: be able to exist as a living, breathing human being
Speaker 3: who draws breath. They want to suffocate that out what
Speaker 3: that offers. They want to suffocate it. I'll never forget
Speaker 3: last week during our conversation hearing hearing the term you
Speaker 3: want to see a dead man walking? I was, you know,
Speaker 3: this is what I'm because I was dead inside, was
Speaker 3: our guess's response to us.
Speaker 4: Brother lewis right, Yeah, Ray Lewis.
Speaker 3: It just it chilled me. It chilled me. There are
Speaker 3: a lot of us moving. We are moving through our spaces,
Speaker 3: not awoke, not wake, not awoken, not woke. And I
Speaker 3: don't mean it in the satirical way in which we
Speaker 3: hear Republicans talk about it. I mean moving in and
Speaker 3: out of space without any awareness of what we're doing,
Speaker 3: where we are, what's happening in it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I think the point that I'm making
Speaker 1: about death, it was I watched the series. Michael Harriet
Speaker 1: actually showed me a clip and I thought it was
Speaker 1: just a clip from the show American Gods that's not
Speaker 1: on air anymore. But essentially it's about like if gods
Speaker 1: were walking the earth among us, like if these Greek
Speaker 1: gods were everyday people. And they show the scene opens
Speaker 1: with slaves on a ship and the slave is praying
Speaker 1: the capture the captive. He's praying, please, if you get
Speaker 1: me out of this situation, I will speak your name.
Speaker 1: I will pray for you. And then this god appears,
Speaker 1: a black man in everyday clothes, and he starts telling
Speaker 1: the men and the slave, this is what you're about
Speaker 1: to go through, and he walks them through when you
Speaker 1: get to America, this is what's about to happen to you.
Speaker 1: He walks them through the plantation, Jim Crow, civil rights, reconstruction,
Speaker 1: all of it. So he says, you want to get
Speaker 1: out of this situation, kill every one of these mothers dead, drown.
Speaker 4: Them all a minute.
Speaker 1: But what was this?
Speaker 4: I need American.
Speaker 1: Gods, American gods and Orlando. Yes, it's off air now.
Speaker 1: And I didn't watch the whole show. I just saw
Speaker 1: this clip. Orlando Jones plays the god and so the
Speaker 1: black man says, but Master, we will die too if
Speaker 1: we do that, and he leans in real close to
Speaker 1: him and says, mother, you already did. And I just thought, oh,
Speaker 1: my God, like that is his point is make it
Speaker 1: easy for the next like take out. And of course,
Speaker 1: just for legal purposes, we are not advocating any violence
Speaker 1: or killing anybody. I want to be really clear. We
Speaker 1: want to be really clear. We are speaking metaphorically. But
Speaker 1: what I didn't know that the great historian Michael Harriet
Speaker 1: later emailed me, is this is actually a true story.
Speaker 1: And they were enslaved from Nigeria who drowned themselves because
Speaker 1: they would rather die than be in bondage. And they
Speaker 1: were off the shore of Georgia, and they killed the
Speaker 1: enslaves and drowned them, and they were singing something in unison,
Speaker 1: and it was something like the water spirit carried us here,
Speaker 1: and the water spirit will set us free. And they
Speaker 1: killed all the enslavers and drowned themselves. I say that
Speaker 1: to say again, not promoting any kind of violence. We
Speaker 1: don't wish death on anybody. I say that to say
Speaker 1: that it is time for radical thought because if they
Speaker 1: are going to harm me anyway, then then what if
Speaker 1: I'm at my rock bottom? Then what do I have
Speaker 1: to lose? But anyway, I don't want to keep talking
Speaker 1: because Angela, you had a great idea for the guests
Speaker 1: this week. And first before we say that, I just
Speaker 1: want to say I've apologize. I've been calling Angela Angela,
Speaker 1: and I should address her as her proper title doctor ry.
Speaker 6: Doctorates to clear the record. I want to thank you
Speaker 6: so much for the support. This is my second doctorate.
Speaker 1: But I'll save you.
Speaker 6: But also let me tell you something that really gets
Speaker 6: on my nerves. This is a public service announcement to
Speaker 6: black people throughout the land. When you get an honorary doctorate,
Speaker 6: please don't start calling yourself doctor.
Speaker 4: I want to listen.
Speaker 6: And even if even if you got the doctorate from
Speaker 6: the storefront church, right like, I respect you and that's great,
Speaker 6: but like, please, the people that have earned a doctorate
Speaker 6: and went to school to do this, like my mother
Speaker 6: who is a doctor education, she's an d D, please
Speaker 6: put some respect on their names.
Speaker 4: I will maintain counselor and attorney. Angela R.
Speaker 6: I shall not become a doctor, but I will take
Speaker 6: it here. So now Tiffany and and you should only
Speaker 6: address me as doctor.
Speaker 1: We are only gonna call you doctor.
Speaker 3: I got my own doctor.
Speaker 6: And to be clear, I would like for oh, so
Speaker 6: Andrew's gonna be doctors, well mine needs to be doctor though.
Speaker 4: Okay it's a different I'm still I'm not undermine name.
Speaker 4: It's d O C T A. Yeah, doctor.
Speaker 1: Okay, And now I want you to bring.
Speaker 3: I want you to get because I want to disassociate
Speaker 3: myself from from Angela's comments about y'all and doctor y'all.
Speaker 3: Doctor y'all are signature your email to doctor such and such.
Speaker 1: Okay. Just on the other side of this break, we're
Speaker 1: going to pick up the conversation. But we'll be joined
Speaker 1: by Mayor Ross Baraka, who's also running for governor of
Speaker 1: New Jersey. So don't go anywhere you want to stick
Speaker 1: around for this conversation. We'll see you on the other side.
Speaker 6: All right, everyone, Well, we are thrilled to be joined
Speaker 6: by Newark's fortieth mayor. A good friend of this shows
Speaker 6: is this is not his first time with Native lampod
Speaker 6: Our good brother and friend.
Speaker 4: Mayor Rasbaraka, how are you doing.
Speaker 5: I'm good.
Speaker 6: I'm good, good, absolutely.
Speaker 3: Literally welcome, welcome.
Speaker 4: Yes, we are so happy to have you.
Speaker 6: We are going to run some sound from the Department
Speaker 6: Homeland Securities Assistant secretary. She handles their press. Her name
Speaker 6: is Tricia McLoughlin, and she had this to say about
Speaker 6: the recent incident outside of the Newark Ice facility.
Speaker 7: There will likely be more arrests coming. We actually have
Speaker 7: body camera footage of some of these members of Congress
Speaker 7: assaulting our ice enforcement officers, including body slamming a female
Speaker 7: ice officer. So we will be showing that to viewers
Speaker 7: very shortly.
Speaker 3: Video members of Congress body slamming ice. That's correct, officials.
Speaker 7: That's correct, sir, It's disgusting.
Speaker 3: Here are you lying, Andrew?
Speaker 6: Just one moment, let us the mayor was there. Mayor
Speaker 6: the mayor was there, Mayor Rasrocker. We have seen footage
Speaker 6: from multiple angles, and I would love to see when
Speaker 6: or hear about when you saw congressman body watch of
Speaker 6: COVID lift somebody up overhead and throw them down to
Speaker 6: the ground.
Speaker 4: Do you have that footage? Have you seen that it
Speaker 4: doesn't exist.
Speaker 6: Okay, I didn't think so, all right, tip it, Andrew.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it don't exist because it didn't happen, right, correct.
Speaker 3: Y'all know the first thing we would have seen on
Speaker 3: the news had that been true, would have been whatever
Speaker 3: that video is. But they just lost so hard, Mayor.
Speaker 5: Completely man, and they're so used to it. They're comfortable
Speaker 5: in line. You know.
Speaker 3: I'm telling you, brother, you needed this like you needed
Speaker 3: a hole in your head. You're in the middle of
Speaker 3: the race to become governor of the Democratic nominee for
Speaker 3: governor of New Jersey. Your heart in some ways, I
Speaker 3: know your head. I went back and watched one of
Speaker 3: your latest debate, and your race reminds me of the
Speaker 3: five way primary we had down here in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 3: And if that foretells anything, brother, the future is bright.
Speaker 3: Just do it slightly differently and bring it all the
Speaker 3: way home in the general election. I do want to
Speaker 3: ask you, Mayor, were you taken aback when you were
Speaker 3: asked during the last debate about whether or not you'll
Speaker 3: be able to work with federal officials and law enforcement,
Speaker 3: given that you had been arrested just shortly before the
Speaker 3: debate while doing your job as the mayor of your
Speaker 3: city inspecting this facility. Did that throw you a jar?
Speaker 3: And is that in any way representative of the way
Speaker 3: in which you've run this race and the way the
Speaker 3: media has covered it?
Speaker 5: Right? No, I mean they love to portray us at
Speaker 5: as these kind of thugs, as folks that you know,
Speaker 5: cannot work with with folks that we're angry, we're overly radical,
Speaker 5: and this is the reason why we can't govern and
Speaker 5: be elected. But my record in Newark is clear what
Speaker 5: we've done around public safety, reducing crime and violence about
Speaker 5: sixty one percent. The city hasn't had this less amount
Speaker 5: of violence since John F. Kennedy was the President of
Speaker 5: the United States. I mean, we're doing a great job
Speaker 5: with community violence intervention workers, working with the police. But
Speaker 5: that's the way they try to pigeonhole us and you know,
Speaker 5: barricade us into their caricatures of what they think we are.
Speaker 5: You know. So, but if you could see the videos
Speaker 5: clear that they let me in the gate, right, they
Speaker 5: let me in the gate. It's like entrapment almost, right,
Speaker 5: they let me in the gate. Then they arrested me
Speaker 5: after I leave the gate.
Speaker 1: As another great mayor would say, mister mayor, let me
Speaker 1: let me ask you. We saw the footage, and first
Speaker 1: of all, we're just happy to see that you are
Speaker 1: safe and release because so many people are not. So
Speaker 1: many people are kidnapped and being disappeared by this government,
Speaker 1: which is really frightening. We talked a bit before you
Speaker 1: joined us about the fracture in some of the communities.
Speaker 1: You know, there are some people on the black community
Speaker 1: who feel like, well, these you know, illegal ice attentions
Speaker 1: ain't my fight, it's not my problem. And they're even
Speaker 1: pre Trump. There have been infighting among communities of color,
Speaker 1: fighting for resources, which is something you would certainly confront
Speaker 1: as governor of New Jersey given the diversity of that state.
Speaker 1: I'm curious what you would say to black constituents who
Speaker 1: may feel like I want you to be the governor
Speaker 1: for me. If you're taking up this fight, how can
Speaker 1: you be the governor for me? How would you counter
Speaker 1: that ill informed sentiment?
Speaker 5: Right? But this fight is our fight. I mean, the
Speaker 5: attack on due process is our fight. The attack on
Speaker 5: the fourth Amendment, fifth Amendment of Constitution, of fourteenth Amendment,
Speaker 5: these are our fights. The fourteen Amendment was created post slavery,
Speaker 5: This is directly our fight. And the first people that
Speaker 5: are going to be attacked the minute we allow them
Speaker 5: to roll the fourth and fifth Amendment is us. We
Speaker 5: have already been attacked, but this does is open the
Speaker 5: door and leave us more vulnerable than it did already.
Speaker 5: We have to fight for people who are struggling around
Speaker 5: the same things we're struggling around, and we have to
Speaker 5: see our commonality there. And it's up to us as leaders,
Speaker 5: as writers, as journalists, as put folks out in the
Speaker 5: front so to explain that to people so they can
Speaker 5: understand clearly that this fight is our fight.
Speaker 6: I got to ask you, given everything that's happened me
Speaker 6: or we were in New Orleans at the time on
Speaker 6: the State of the People tour, and of course you
Speaker 6: joined us this week. You're so grateful for your remarks
Speaker 6: and your courage, but I'm curious to know, given everything
Speaker 6: that's going on, the fact that now you were arrested.
Speaker 6: I believe that they are trying to charge you with
Speaker 6: a misdemeanor of trespassing. Have you heard from the Department
Speaker 6: of Justice on this case and what the next steps are?
Speaker 5: Yes, I have. I mean, we supposed to have a
Speaker 5: hearing tomorrow. They're trying to turn it into another kind
Speaker 5: of hearing. They're now saying the charge is too small
Speaker 5: to have a preliminary hearing. They didn't say that when
Speaker 5: they were fingerprinting me and taking my pictures, but on
Speaker 5: making me do PTI that morning, you know, going through
Speaker 5: this asking me questions, do I have mental illness, do
Speaker 5: I take drugs? All this kind of stuff. So now
Speaker 5: they're saying that the charge is too small, but we
Speaker 5: still have to go through the process. And you know, ultimately,
Speaker 5: I think they know that they made error here and
Speaker 5: they want to fix that, but they want us to
Speaker 5: acquiesce in the process. That's what's taking this thing so long.
Speaker 5: They know they need to drop the case, but they
Speaker 5: want me to bend the knee before that happens. And
Speaker 5: they'll be waiting until they're blue in the face, until
Speaker 5: the cows come home. As my grandfother would say, if
Speaker 5: they expect that to happen, what does that mean, Well,
Speaker 5: it means that they want me to uh, you know,
Speaker 5: bow to them, to acquiesce, to say that we were
Speaker 5: wrong to uh basically come to them and uh kind
Speaker 5: of beg them even Uh it's it's it's it's it's
Speaker 5: ridiculous because I didn't do anything wrong. I violated new laws.
Speaker 5: The land I was on, even when the property I
Speaker 5: was on anyway was not even federal property. It's not
Speaker 5: federal property, so they don't have any charge for federal trespass.
Speaker 5: I mean, I just it's just incorrect.
Speaker 1: I want to be clear. You're are you saying that
Speaker 1: someone from the administration came to you and said if
Speaker 1: you say these things, if you say that you were wrong,
Speaker 1: then they would well be helpful to you.
Speaker 5: Well, they're talking to our they're talking to our lawyers, right,
Speaker 5: and the lawyers are giving me all kinds of options.
Speaker 5: And obviously these options I have to come from somewhere, right,
Speaker 5: So they're given me all kinds of options of what
Speaker 5: it is that we can do, what's possible, what's plausible, uh,
Speaker 5: and and and what's reality. The fact is uh that
Speaker 5: it's it would be silly for them to take this
Speaker 5: all the way through into logical and Uh. It's a
Speaker 5: misdemeanor of class T misdemeanor. First of all, the maximum
Speaker 5: is thirty days in jail, four hundred, five hundred dollars fine.
Speaker 5: I don't know any judge that's going to do that,
Speaker 5: or any federal prosecutor that's going to prosecute this case
Speaker 5: after they see the evidence. The Brady log of demands
Speaker 5: that they give us all the evidence that they have.
Speaker 5: If they turn over the guard who let me in
Speaker 5: the door in the first place, the gate in the
Speaker 5: first place, that ends the fact that I came on
Speaker 5: the property, that I busted in, that I forced my
Speaker 5: way in, that I was not invited in because I
Speaker 5: was invited in.
Speaker 4: For clarity, were you on were you inside the gate
Speaker 4: when they handcuffed you or were you outside the gate?
Speaker 5: I was outside the gate. They told me to leave.
Speaker 5: After going back and forth with me and the congress people,
Speaker 5: I left. There's a video of body watching colon and
Speaker 5: holding my arm. We're walking out very peacefully, very calmly.
Speaker 5: The agents are around me. We leave the gate. They
Speaker 5: stay inside so they could go do their tour. But
Speaker 5: the tour didn't happen because a special agent in charge
Speaker 5: got a phone call and that's also on a video,
Speaker 5: and then they huddle up and leave and come and
Speaker 5: get me.
Speaker 6: Yes, And I think that's important for yeah, if I
Speaker 6: want people to understand that he was not on the
Speaker 6: private prison by the way, the private prison side. When
Speaker 6: this all happened, he was on that was city land, correct,
Speaker 6: mister mayor, Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was on the opposite side of the gate, absolutely.
Speaker 1: In the city correct, right exactly.
Speaker 6: So you said that they want you to acquiesce there
Speaker 6: might be a mayor that is geographically close to where
Speaker 6: you now are, also mayor that we might look to
Speaker 6: as an example of what not to do.
Speaker 4: Since Mayor raz is two class, he to do this,
Speaker 4: I will name him.
Speaker 6: That is Mayor Eric Adams, So that's who they probably
Speaker 6: want him to behave like, but he won't do that
Speaker 6: because this is a mayor of the people.
Speaker 1: As Eric Adams was offered uh an exit ramp by
Speaker 1: this administration and now he has become an acolyte and
Speaker 1: mouthpiece for this administration after his entire office was arrested.
Speaker 1: I can't remember all the charges, but I believe it
Speaker 1: was bribery. He was, you know, involved in making deals
Speaker 1: with the foreign countries, including Turkey, so just our viewers know.
Speaker 1: But mister Mayor, it seems like they were targeting you specifically.
Speaker 1: Of all the people who were there, it seems like
Speaker 1: they wanted to arrest you. One do you feel like
Speaker 1: you were targeted. Two. If so, why and how concerned
Speaker 1: are you? Because you're you're speaking about well, you know,
Speaker 1: it's clear that the video, we all know facts, but
Speaker 1: in a society where facts don't matter, I'm just wondering,
Speaker 1: how concerned are you about this court date this week
Speaker 1: and by the time the show airs, you will have
Speaker 1: already been in court.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, obviously you're concerned. I was concerned about
Speaker 5: being arrested. I don't know what these people are gonna
Speaker 5: take me, what they're gonna do. I don't know who
Speaker 5: you even the track record of what these people have,
Speaker 5: they disappearing people, But I don't know what's going to happen,
Speaker 5: you know, you know, so I am concerned about the
Speaker 5: outcome of this. I mean, I know we have a
Speaker 5: very good team of lawyers, and you know the public
Speaker 5: is watching, so that that helps us right to keep
Speaker 5: it public and have it as a very public event.
Speaker 5: I think they arrested me because I'm the mayor right
Speaker 5: as mayor of the state's largest city, and it's not
Speaker 5: about me personally. It's about them flexing their muscles. They
Speaker 5: want to arrest judges, mayors, so forth, and so on.
Speaker 5: To prove a point that you know, they're strong, that
Speaker 5: they could do what they want to do. Nobody's going
Speaker 5: to defy them, and no matter who you are, what
Speaker 5: your position of status is, we're coming to get you.
Speaker 5: So I think they wanted to get the person they
Speaker 5: thought that was in charge that day, and that that
Speaker 5: happened to be me, right, and so they came and
Speaker 5: got me, and you know, the US Attorney and I
Speaker 5: had words back and forth publicly on social media. I mean,
Speaker 5: it wasn't too bad, but you know, they don't like
Speaker 5: to be called out. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 5: this was their opportunity to show me. As you know,
Speaker 5: as people say, that's what they did. They came out
Speaker 5: and showed me. They took locked me up, cuffed me
Speaker 5: and took me in, took me into a seal.
Speaker 3: Mayor. They did more than show you, They showed all
Speaker 3: of us. And I think that has in part the
Speaker 3: intention that by going after what we as the community
Speaker 3: believed to be those who are the leadership voices and
Speaker 3: therefore are beyond you touching them, roughing them up, putting
Speaker 3: handcuffs on them over public demonstration, We're going to go
Speaker 3: after the very thing that you think is untouchable, the
Speaker 3: very person who you think who you call your leader
Speaker 3: and who is your elected leader, and bring that person
Speaker 3: to not just heal, but to humiliation is in part
Speaker 3: there is in part their goal, which is really why
Speaker 3: I wanted to and I have a question about Governor,
Speaker 3: but I didn't want to skip over because I've been
Speaker 3: there with them before, that process of submitting yourself through
Speaker 3: arrest and the dehumanizing lens that that goes to in
Speaker 3: the mind games that it can play with you if
Speaker 3: you are not steadfast and unmovable and and and and
Speaker 3: your positionality here. But if for the average person out there,
Speaker 3: how can you deepen into this this knowing that we
Speaker 3: all have that if they can do that, Dura may
Speaker 3: erasp Baraka, who am I? Why should I protest? If
Speaker 3: that can be done to him, can it be done
Speaker 3: to me?
Speaker 5: Yeah? I absolutely can. But the reality is our collective
Speaker 5: power is greater than our individual power, right, and that
Speaker 5: we have to be together. And this is a moral moment.
Speaker 5: I've been saying that, you know, this is a moment,
Speaker 5: you know when when Jim Crow is happening and people
Speaker 5: were being denied opportunity to vote and being killed in
Speaker 5: the South, or trying to organize people to vote. When
Speaker 5: Mega Evers was shot in his wife's arms, or four
Speaker 5: little girls blown up in the church in Birmingham. People
Speaker 5: had to speak up, they had to say stuff right.
Speaker 5: It was their moral moment, and people from all nationalities
Speaker 5: or religions. Some of them made comment and did even
Speaker 5: more than that, and some did nothing right. The history
Speaker 5: is going to judge those people. It's the same now
Speaker 5: what happens now. You know, when Irish Americans came here,
Speaker 5: they went through the same criminalization of the humanization. When
Speaker 5: Italian Americans came here, they did the same thing. Jewish
Speaker 5: Americans as well. This is not a new tactic for
Speaker 5: these kind of despots and authoritarian folks. And you know
Speaker 5: what happens to people of color, it's always a lot worse.
Speaker 5: So at the end of the day, we could sit
Speaker 5: around and watch what's going on, or we could use
Speaker 5: our platform to fight back. And that's what we're supposed
Speaker 5: to be doing in a collective way.
Speaker 3: Mayor, how are you feeling about the run for governor
Speaker 3: where we're what three were about two three weeks out
Speaker 3: from voting. Clothes give our listeners a sense of how
Speaker 3: you're feeling on the ground and also what they can
Speaker 3: do at this point as you close in on election.
Speaker 5: Day, it's fourth quarter, we got the third seconds left.
Speaker 5: Is the tie game and we got the ball. That's
Speaker 5: really what it is. Either we're gonna score or we not.
Speaker 5: And it's simply that you know, the race is so close,
Speaker 5: it's gonna boil down to who gets their voters out
Speaker 5: to the polls that day. Whoever's ground game is more
Speaker 5: complex efficient I should say, stronger money in the ground,
Speaker 5: having their people out, pulling their voters out, those are
Speaker 5: the folks that are gonna win. Nobody's gonna win with
Speaker 5: more than thirty percent of the vote. Somebody's gonna win
Speaker 5: with twenty four to twenty five percent of the vote.
Speaker 5: That's about two hundred thousand people if that. And so
Speaker 5: it's gonna take a real operation on the street to
Speaker 5: get people out. And what that means is that we
Speaker 5: can't afford to stay home like our family members. We
Speaker 5: have to do relational voting like everybody in our circle.
Speaker 5: You call the people you know, You talk to the
Speaker 5: people you know and make sure that they vote in
Speaker 5: their family members vote. I mean, if that's something that's
Speaker 5: less complicated then going out with a team of people
Speaker 5: knocking on doors and doing all this stuff. You can
Speaker 5: sit in your home and call everybody on your phone
Speaker 5: and make sure they vote and put it together the
Speaker 5: night before the day of start building that right now.
Speaker 5: And I'm a member our five fraternity and they always
Speaker 5: ask me what can we do? I said, make sure
Speaker 5: every out for in New Jersey votes for Rasbarrock on
Speaker 5: June tenth, and their wives and their children. That's enough
Speaker 5: to let everybody else do that as well.
Speaker 6: I want to get into a little bit of platform
Speaker 6: because so much as this has been a distraction to
Speaker 6: the race that you're running, like you anticipated going to
Speaker 6: stand up for constituents and folks who have been living
Speaker 6: in Newark and hardly expected to ever be seeing the
Speaker 6: inside of a detention facility in the middle of a
Speaker 6: gubernatorial run, and so on.
Speaker 4: Platform.
Speaker 6: One of the things that came up at our State
Speaker 6: of the People tour stop in Newark was the wealth
Speaker 6: gap for black folks versus white folks in the state
Speaker 6: of New Jersey. I believe they said black folks, white
Speaker 6: folks who are around six hundred thousand in New Jersey
Speaker 6: versus like seventeen thousand for black families in New Jersey.
Speaker 6: What are your plans, mister Mayor, to close the wealth
Speaker 6: gap in the state.
Speaker 5: And that's actually doubled by the way, so it was
Speaker 5: about three hundred thousand doing COVID, So it's doubled in
Speaker 5: a very short period of time. And at the base
Speaker 5: of that its home ownership and investment in small businesses.
Speaker 5: And you know, African American businesses are usually sole proprietorships
Speaker 5: in this state, and they get less than one percent
Speaker 5: of support from state dollars in New Jersey, So black,
Speaker 5: brown and women businesses get very little to no support
Speaker 5: from the state. I would say we need first a
Speaker 5: diversity procurement officer to make sure that every department in
Speaker 5: the state is procuring dollars and businesses from black and
Speaker 5: brown and women businesses, specifically black businesses in these communities
Speaker 5: that are being underrepresented and left behind. We also have
Speaker 5: been talking about a public bank that is not a
Speaker 5: commercial bank, but an investment bank where we put our
Speaker 5: dollars and we force cra dollars to be as well,
Speaker 5: and we do deliverate an intentional investment in home ownership
Speaker 5: capital loans for people to begin their own homes, begin
Speaker 5: to invest in businesses so they grow, so they can
Speaker 5: hire more employees, so they can move from one city
Speaker 5: to multiple cities, to put money in people's pockets and
Speaker 5: invest in communities that have been left behind, have barriers
Speaker 5: in their way because of race and because of class.
Speaker 5: And that's what we want to do in any immediate sense.
Speaker 5: And we want to help finance these chambers of commerces,
Speaker 5: especially that African American Chamber of Commerce, so they can
Speaker 5: help these businesses with back office paperwork, so they could
Speaker 5: bid for contracts, so they can stand on their feet,
Speaker 5: so they balance sheets are good. All of that is important.
Speaker 5: Teaching them how to bond so they could compete in
Speaker 5: a larger way with other businesses. But we have to
Speaker 5: infuse capital in these communities because that's what we're missing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Mayor. One of the things that I've read that
Speaker 3: you're facing, and I know I faced the same thing
Speaker 3: where some of your opponents or supporters of your opponents
Speaker 3: would say the Republicans are craving Razbaraka as the Democratic
Speaker 3: nominee because they feel like they can beat them. I
Speaker 3: remember being asked that and say, my opponents, of course
Speaker 3: have no interest in that narrative being pushed. You know
Speaker 3: before I answer, But obviously that is an easy narrative
Speaker 3: to push when you're the first, when you were attempting
Speaker 3: to rise against the grain and to you're not. You're
Speaker 3: not running for governor to become the first. You're running
Speaker 3: for governor to be of service to the people you
Speaker 3: care about. But of course you were, you were. You're
Speaker 3: breaking some barriers to be successful in the Democratic nominee.
Speaker 3: What's your best pushback on? Of course, the Republicans want
Speaker 3: me because I'm weaker.
Speaker 5: Yeah, what they think being black is a weakness. I don't.
Speaker 5: They think being from Newark is a weakness. I don't.
Speaker 5: I think it gives me the acumen and the skill,
Speaker 5: the record to be able to solve very difficult and
Speaker 5: complex problems that they have no idea how to solve.
Speaker 5: I think because I'm closer to the problem, I'm closer
Speaker 5: to the solutions. My messaging appeals to everybody up and
Speaker 5: down the state of New Jersey because everybody is in
Speaker 5: the same situation, and Democrats have been afraid to talk
Speaker 5: the way I've been talking, which is why we're punching
Speaker 5: high above our weight. Because the message that we're telling
Speaker 5: people is that the economy is broken and we can
Speaker 5: fix it. That it has to be more inclusive and
Speaker 5: not exclusive. That we can lawyer your taxes, lawyer your costs.
Speaker 5: That we can make the wealthy paid their fair share.
Speaker 5: Everybody wants to hear that. And we can do this
Speaker 5: by leaning into diversity, equity, inclusion, not running away from it.
Speaker 5: That we can make the state more democratic by doing
Speaker 5: In fact, diversity, equity and inclusion is going to make
Speaker 5: our economy stronger, right, And we have to make a
Speaker 5: relationship between those messages. So we've been talking about the
Speaker 5: same thing all of us have been talking about nationally. Wages,
Speaker 5: work and wealth. I mean, those are the three things
Speaker 5: that we're pushing in this state and in this country. Right.
Speaker 5: We need better wages, we need increased opportunities for work
Speaker 5: in our communities, and we need a pathway to wealth
Speaker 5: here and all Americans want that. You know, we just
Speaker 5: have had the greatest obstacles in our way. And remove
Speaker 5: our obstacles. Everybody obstacles get moved, and history has proven.
Speaker 6: That, Mayor raz I'm going to bring Tiffany Drew into
Speaker 6: our text. The one thing that we talk about the
Speaker 6: most historically is the nineteen seventy two Gary and Dianna
Speaker 6: National Black Political Convention. I'm bringing that up with intention
Speaker 6: because you represent a largely black space in Newark that
Speaker 6: is becoming increasingly more black and brown. But we also
Speaker 6: know historically that when we do for us, it benefits everybody.
Speaker 4: So when you reflect.
Speaker 6: On what your dad was building in nineteen seventy two
Speaker 6: and Gary and what you have continued to build as
Speaker 6: in elected office, but taking that pledge, even though you
Speaker 6: didn't sign it, you have definitely held true to the
Speaker 6: tenets of that convention. What do you think are the
Speaker 6: three areas that we need to be implementing? One in
Speaker 6: New Jersey, but nationally, if we could as a people,
Speaker 6: what should we be.
Speaker 5: Doing based on what they've said there?
Speaker 6: So, yeah, So when you think, like DC statehood, wages,
Speaker 6: all of the things that they brought up in seventy
Speaker 6: two and that agenda, what are some of the things
Speaker 6: that you're like, if we did these three things, we
Speaker 6: would be a hell of a lot further than where
Speaker 6: we than where we are.
Speaker 5: I think reparations is clearly one of the top three
Speaker 5: on that list. I mean, I think that's incredibly important,
Speaker 5: and all that means is to make sure we remove
Speaker 5: obstacles out of long historic obstacles out of people's way
Speaker 5: and give them the opportunity to perform, to give them
Speaker 5: a chance at bat, whether it's in the form of
Speaker 5: education or earned income tax credits, or opportunities for capital
Speaker 5: to purchase homes, to destroy that wealth gap, to be
Speaker 5: able to grow in terms of their business. And I
Speaker 5: think that that's clearly one of the things I remember,
Speaker 5: you know, Queen mothermore passing out flyers and that thing.
Speaker 5: We need reparations. We need reparations. That's that's clear. People
Speaker 5: have been talking about that for a long time, and
Speaker 5: I think some form of that has to happen, and
Speaker 5: some discussions around what that looks like in states are
Speaker 5: talking about it, and we need to make that a
Speaker 5: national push, and we need to say what we mean
Speaker 5: when we say reparations and what and what we actually want.
Speaker 5: It's not enough to say reparations in a theoretical sense.
Speaker 5: We have to say it in a really digmatic and
Speaker 5: material way. What are we talking about, uh? And and
Speaker 5: who should get it right? And that's that's real and
Speaker 5: and I think that's incredibly important UH as well uh,
Speaker 5: a pathway there. There was a big fight in there
Speaker 5: to me about you know, unions and and unions were
Speaker 5: walking out because there's a whole struggle even today about
Speaker 5: unions and their inclusion of black and brown people, uh
Speaker 5: in those unions. And I think the trade unions and
Speaker 5: our ability to get engaged in helping build the communities
Speaker 5: that we actually live in is very very important. And
Speaker 5: we need to sit down with these trade unions and
Speaker 5: figure out how to make sure that young black and
Speaker 5: brown boys in these communities have immediate, quick and deliberate
Speaker 5: access into these unions to help build their communities. That
Speaker 5: absolutely positively needs to happen right away because these are
Speaker 5: good paying jobs. The building is not going anywhere. We
Speaker 5: need more. In fact, there's a gap, a hole in
Speaker 5: construction trades. As you know, they need to high more people,
Speaker 5: and so we have a lot of people that are
Speaker 5: available to be hired, you know, that's for sure. So
Speaker 5: I think that's incredibly important for us. You know. I
Speaker 5: also add DC statehood is important too, and I would
Speaker 5: add that, you know, because it gives us more representation,
Speaker 5: you know, you know, prayerfully, it allows us on another
Speaker 5: senator right to more senators. It allows us an opportunity
Speaker 5: to have more influence nationally and what's going on in Congress,
Speaker 5: and we desperately need that now more than ever before,
Speaker 5: you know. But ultimately I think that all of us
Speaker 5: we need a real convention like that again, like across
Speaker 5: these states. We need a convention that brings us all
Speaker 5: together where we brainstorm these issues in a very real
Speaker 5: way to talk about a pathway forward because a lot
Speaker 5: of people are doing their own thing and it's time
Speaker 5: for us to do something collective.
Speaker 4: Well, hopefully you'll come on June nineteenth through the twenty first.
Speaker 4: We're going to do that with State of the People.
Speaker 4: You know, I talked to Larry Ham yesterday, so.
Speaker 6: Hope that you'll be able to come and hopefully, mister
Speaker 6: mayor with good news on the other.
Speaker 4: Side of an election.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, Thank you governor for joining us. I'm
Speaker 1: predicting good news, So thank you governor for being here.
Speaker 1: And I just want to want to take a quick
Speaker 1: note to our viewers that even if you don't live
Speaker 1: in New Jersey, in this environment we're in, governors are
Speaker 1: on the front lines to push back against this administration.
Speaker 1: And so I don't live in New Jersey. But I'm
Speaker 1: deeply invested in your race, and we all need to
Speaker 1: be deeply invested in these races as a people. So
Speaker 1: thank you, and I'm sure that Alphus will appreciate that
Speaker 1: shout out you gave them.
Speaker 3: Good luck mayor soon to be go.
Speaker 4: Yes, thank you so much.
Speaker 5: Thank you.
Speaker 6: And with this case, yes, yeah, how do you catch
Speaker 6: you trying to catch an election?
Speaker 4: You catch a case like yeah.
Speaker 3: Believe me that he's exhibiting the kind of courage that
Speaker 3: any of us should want in a governor.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 3: I mean, he didn't point it out for himself, but
Speaker 3: at the time that he was arrested, the had already
Speaker 3: been there days before, doing the same thing, day after day,
Speaker 3: bringing attention to this illegally operating facility in his city.
Speaker 3: So when no cameras were there, when the threat of arrest,
Speaker 3: did you know, seemed you know, much less real than
Speaker 3: it actually became, he was standing in the gap. And
Speaker 3: I think that's the kind of that's the kind of
Speaker 3: leadership you want. And I think, ladies, beautifully, I loved
Speaker 3: that he really sensed his argument in one of economics. Uh,
Speaker 3: you know, we drove him in other directions to talk
Speaker 3: about things that we wanted to hear his voice on
Speaker 3: the record on. But he was talking tax breaks, tax incentives,
Speaker 3: home ownership, wealth building strategies, ensuring that you know, startup
Speaker 3: equity is available, you know, to all people across races
Speaker 3: and genders. That I think that's a powerful salient message,
Speaker 3: one that the party nationally needs to get with. But
Speaker 3: but I really love home home base for him, which
Speaker 3: sounds like helping people get the resources they need to
Speaker 3: provide for themselves and their family and beyond.
Speaker 4: Well, I I I want to just tell y'all.
Speaker 6: So I went to Fox News, I know, but I
Speaker 6: wanted to look on here because they have an article
Speaker 6: about Mayor RAS's speech and it says Newark mayor compares
Speaker 6: self to biblical hero in wake of ice protest arrests.
Speaker 6: This is our David moment. These jack asses call this
Speaker 6: thing a political rally, are and completely misrepresent No surprises there.
Speaker 6: What his point was. He was saying that this is
Speaker 6: our collective David moment, and if all we have is
Speaker 6: a few smooth stones in a slingshot, we could take
Speaker 6: it on now. If people don't understand how the United
Speaker 6: States government functions as a goliath in the face of
Speaker 6: every David. Whether you're you're David because you're hungry, or
Speaker 6: you're Dad because you're incarcerated, or you're David because you're
Speaker 6: an immigrant and you're not protected, or you're the child
Speaker 6: of one and you're a dreamer.
Speaker 4: You're a David because.
Speaker 6: You don't know if you're going to be able to
Speaker 6: read the books you need to actually learn in your classroom.
Speaker 6: You might be David because it's like the woman I
Speaker 6: talked about who's a school teacher but sleeps in her car.
Speaker 6: There are a gazillion David's in this country, and we
Speaker 6: should not be trivializing that.
Speaker 1: Thankfully, the people, their audience is ninety four percent white.
Speaker 1: They're mostly conservative people, so they're you know, I don't
Speaker 1: know there, you can never I don't look for reason there,
Speaker 1: you know, And I don't think a majority of sensible
Speaker 1: people are looking at their website or consuming their their
Speaker 1: news every single time. Big it could be.
Speaker 4: A kill it on numbers.
Speaker 1: And so because country is majority white.
Speaker 6: So if one of them happened, one of them, David's
Speaker 6: happened to click on us over here, David's, I hope
Speaker 6: that they hear the rationale was actually just said, there
Speaker 6: are also entities that are black owned that do this
Speaker 6: same kind of thing, And so in case they thought
Speaker 6: they was gonna run this same point, that's why I'm
Speaker 6: bringing it up because it's clickbait. In case you were
Speaker 6: gonna run the same point, at least run the clip
Speaker 6: back before you get your clickbait said.
Speaker 1: That's something I think that might be a good mini
Speaker 1: pod if y'all want to do it, because what you
Speaker 1: just said, Angela about black outlets picking up conservative talking points,
Speaker 1: which they do from Fox, because I have seen them much. Yes,
Speaker 1: and for me personally, like even when you were saying that,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't care what white people reading, what
Speaker 1: they think about, Like, I just don't have the energy.
Speaker 1: Should we should we care? Should we be talking to
Speaker 1: white folks? Y'all want to talk about that on Mini
Speaker 1: pot or no care?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I definitely want to talk about it, because.
Speaker 1: Well, was that about that on Mini pot? But now,
Speaker 1: so y'all be sure that they called it a political rally,
Speaker 1: I'm mad as hell about that.
Speaker 4: That is not what this was.
Speaker 1: Well, luckily not to we don't share too many audience
Speaker 1: men is with them. Okay, On the other side, of
Speaker 1: his break. We got calls to action, and given everything
Speaker 1: we talked about on this show, you want to stick
Speaker 1: around for this one. Now it is time for calls
Speaker 1: to action. Alls to action, and I want to know
Speaker 1: what everybody's calls to action is? Do y'all want me
Speaker 1: to go first? Y'allready? Who got one?
Speaker 3: Going with the hosts?
Speaker 6: Oh my god?
Speaker 4: Going with it? I was like, and to comfortable, pak
Speaker 4: leave in?
Speaker 3: Are right now.
Speaker 4: Going with it? That would actually be in this song,
Speaker 4: you know, arrative.
Speaker 3: To counter the Fox narratives here that's actually.
Speaker 4: Should be to Fox. We should call Fox. That call.
Speaker 1: That sound like it could be a big bobble song.
Speaker 1: I feel that's about this. Don't still our idea if
Speaker 1: y'all make that song, y'all.
Speaker 4: But you got it? What's your mumbo rap gonna be? Tip?
Speaker 4: What's your mumbo rap gonna sound like?
Speaker 1: I gotta work on it. I'm not a good freestyler.
Speaker 4: It's a mumble rap. So you ain't got a thing
Speaker 4: too art.
Speaker 6: It's gonna be like, what are you saying?
Speaker 1: Make that money for the rip?
Speaker 3: Hey? They got it's I'm wrong with us.
Speaker 1: I blame it on the New York Traffic Today. I
Speaker 1: just brig get that info, then leave and does how
Speaker 1: to make see I'm talking about No, I was in
Speaker 1: the car. We were listening anyway she was.
Speaker 3: She was definitely checking messages because.
Speaker 1: Well, because Andrew said, gone away to hell, I'm about
Speaker 1: to go with my call to action. I'll be quick.
Speaker 4: I'm not. You should make them go after that.
Speaker 1: Uh, this is my call to action, aside from y'all
Speaker 1: still not using your headphones when you're public. There're driving
Speaker 1: me crazy. I don't want to hear a conversation. But
Speaker 1: this is the real call to action. For every single
Speaker 1: time that you say, that's not my problem, I'm minding
Speaker 1: my business. When you say, well, they voted for him,
Speaker 1: so shoulder shrug, I would just ask, please don't consume
Speaker 1: the spoon fed media narrative. That is a lie. Every
Speaker 1: community of color voted overwhelmingly for Kamala Harris. You can
Speaker 1: take a look and disaggregate the data for yourself. Us
Speaker 1: try to have I want to encourage people try to
Speaker 1: have some curiosity and not just take things that are
Speaker 1: being fed to us, because that is with intention. They
Speaker 1: can sit back and laugh while all the black and
Speaker 1: brown folks are fighting with each other and they are
Speaker 1: depending on apathy to keep If you're waiting for some
Speaker 1: imaginary line for this fight to come to your door,
Speaker 1: that line has been crossed. And this fight has to
Speaker 1: be all of ours. At fourteen percent of the population,
Speaker 1: we can't win it on our own. So I would
Speaker 1: just ask us to reach deep into our humanity and
Speaker 1: get into this fight. That's my CTA.
Speaker 6: I love it. Who nicks Okay, I will go. Mine
Speaker 6: is more of a testimony, and it's a testament to
Speaker 6: this show. And had I thought better about it, I
Speaker 6: probably would have ran the clip back. But we had
Speaker 6: a young man named Jaya who's sent in a question
Speaker 6: about how to get involved after feeling hopeless in this moment.
Speaker 6: And when I tell y'all, Jaia ran so much of
Speaker 6: the Newark State of the People Power Tour event. He
Speaker 6: was the rally stage lead. He was tremendous, and he
Speaker 6: turned around on that stage yesterday and said, Angela, this
Speaker 6: is because you told me to get involved. And I
Speaker 6: am like, this is how it's done, like one mind
Speaker 6: at a time, and that one mind being changed touched
Speaker 6: hundreds of lives yesterday in Newark. So Jaia, I'm shouting
Speaker 6: you out and all of the Jayas that have felt
Speaker 6: that but didn't send in your question.
Speaker 4: We still will receive your questions.
Speaker 6: I just want you all to know we see you,
Speaker 6: We thank God for you, and it takes young people
Speaker 6: like you to really make the difference.
Speaker 3: You're here. He was like, put me in, coach.
Speaker 6: He was no, he didn't even wait to be put in.
Speaker 6: He was just like, I'm drafted. What's good, I'm going,
Speaker 6: let's go.
Speaker 3: He showed up.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well mine specific to person. Now, you said I heard.
Speaker 4: You, Well, you said I heard I.
Speaker 3: Heard that host, host, host, the the T, the S
Speaker 3: and T silent. Well, bitch, that's a whole word. Excuse
Speaker 3: me for the production break production, We gotta go. All right,
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Speaker 3: Jay celebrated her birthday, and my son David's birthday is
Speaker 3: today as he celebrates with a broken arm. And on Monday.
Speaker 3: This upcoming Monday, my twins will turn eleven.
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