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Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome.

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Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome home. Y'all. This is episode seventy nine of

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Speaker 1: Native Lampod where we give it to you straight, no chaser.

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Speaker 1: I am here as your host and with my fellow

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Speaker 1: co host, I'm Tiffany Cross here with Angela Rye, who's

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Speaker 1: running late but she will join us shortly. And Andrew

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Speaker 1: Gillham and I'm not running it. You're not running late, Andrew.

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Speaker 1: How you feeling, I'm good, I'm good friend, Good to

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Speaker 1: see you you too.

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Speaker 3: What they serving a Denny's did it?

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Speaker 1: Very funny? So Andrew is trying to say, it looks

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Speaker 1: like I'm in a Denny's background, but I'm actually in

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Speaker 1: a DJ booth in a pretty cool location by the way.

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Speaker 1: But before we even get too deep into that, what

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Speaker 1: we're talking about today, oh Frian, Oh friend, I know that, okay.

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Speaker 1: So basically Andrew is saying that because what we're going

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Speaker 1: to get into today, and y'all brace yourselves, as we've

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Speaker 1: been here before, is government retaliation. So we're going to

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Speaker 1: be talking about government corruption, which Andrew, you know about

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Speaker 1: government retaliation. Uh, I think they're acting corrupt as they're

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Speaker 1: going after people. I'm really excited that we exactly really

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Speaker 1: excited that we have Mayor ros Baraka, who is also

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Speaker 1: running for governor of New Jersey. So when Angela gets here,

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Speaker 1: she'll tell us more about securing him as a guest.

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Speaker 1: But you guys perhaps saw this week that he had

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Speaker 1: a tussle, he was arrested essentially by ICE agents, right right, targeted.

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Speaker 1: Targeted is probably a more and with more intention to

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Speaker 1: I don't know. It's just making me really uncomfortable, Andrew,

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Speaker 1: to be honest with you, because it feels like people

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Speaker 1: are waiting for some imaginary line for this government to cross,

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Speaker 1: and that line has been crossed already. And I wonder

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Speaker 1: like people have to show up to your house and

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Speaker 3: You're close to it, Tiffany, you're close to I think

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Speaker 3: what has to happen, which is it's one thing to

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Speaker 3: says that's good, and what do they do. They ghost

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Speaker 3: her right off the streets. And so it's one thing

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Speaker 3: to watch it. It's a whole nother thing entirely to

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Speaker 3: I don't think it will hit them over the head

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Speaker 3: like it's hit us over the head until you are

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Speaker 3: in close proximity to the government taking similar actions against

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Speaker 3: you or somebody you care about. I'm convinced of it,

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Speaker 3: just because otherwise we would have all been abhorred by

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Speaker 3: what we've seen, all of us would have taken to

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Speaker 3: me in Massachusetts over at Tuffs, but we didn't. We

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Speaker 3: didn't because it wasn't us. It makes me, it makes

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Speaker 3: me fearful for all of us, but it also makes

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Speaker 3: me mostly concerned for everyday people, regular Americans, who are

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Speaker 3: don't use the term exceptional as a positive. Exceptionally bad

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Speaker 1: I'm curious because we'll talk about this more when the

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Speaker 3: And I actually think he was looking into the fact

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Speaker 3: My guess is is that over any building that goes

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Speaker 1: Right, and as a former mayor yourself, you know all

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 1: That?

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Speaker 1: Number one? I think we have to have a little

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Speaker 1: and you have somebody from you know, Tallahassee, you got

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Speaker 1: people's understanding of socialism you know, if you have fled

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Speaker 1: But we knew that, ain't it. Black men are overwhelmingly

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Speaker 1: voting for Kamala Harris. But again, he was able to

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Speaker 1: my mind, in my black business, where do you think

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Speaker 1: they're going next? Do you think they're going to stop?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 4: They right?

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Speaker 1: That's a good point I'm saying, going and you're right

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Speaker 1: and correcting me saying they are here. If they are

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Speaker 3: They've been disappearing us. Right, this is not know this story.

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Speaker 1: This whole thing that we've never seen this, we've seen

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Speaker 3: If you're so, you're so right. And I guess for

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Speaker 3: But just because you get elected, you don't own the Constitution.

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Speaker 3: The Constitution is a predecessor to you by centuries, not

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Speaker 3: and based off that by itself, No, you don't get

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Speaker 3: My rights were here before you those that I have,

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Speaker 1: We can't keep it. I mean, that's the conclusion. We

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Speaker 1: your thoughts, Andrew, when it comes to this attitude of people,

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Speaker 1: you know, like just shoulders shrugg Well, the Palestindians had,

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Speaker 1: gonna get in that fight, and Latinos voted for Trump.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get in that fight when the data

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Speaker 1: just doesn't support any of that. But I do understand

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Speaker 1: but in self serving people who understand I cannot battle

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Speaker 1: this goliath of a corrupt United States government that has

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Speaker 1: a lot of the comments on NLP, on our socials,

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Speaker 1: on YouTube, a lot of it is like, well, that

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Speaker 1: ain't my fight, And it's really disheartening because it's like

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be. It is your fight, you just don't

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Speaker 3: Anyone who draws that conclusion is a ghost walking. You're

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Speaker 3: not living in this real, lived, you know life that

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Speaker 1: She's caught up in New York traffic. As you guys know,

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Speaker 6: are like, oh well, especially some of the folks who

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Speaker 6: were just relentless on social about you.

435
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Speaker 4: Know, well, why are we doing this?

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Speaker 6: You know, we're not immigrants who were forced here, that

437
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,399
Speaker 6: is true, but many of us have in our lineage

438
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Speaker 6: Haitian ancestry, Guyanese ancestry, some type of Caribbean ancestry, Afro

439
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Speaker 6: Latino ancestry, straight from the continent ancestry, right right, Because that's.

440
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Speaker 4: Really what that boils down to.

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Speaker 6: Even when we talk about Brazil, Brazil which was the

442
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Speaker 6: largest receiver of enslaved people in the Bellius ships. So

443
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Speaker 6: when we think about the many layers, all the many layers,

444
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Speaker 6: it impacts us. And even if somehow remarkably for five

445
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Speaker 6: generations you don't have any immigrants, let's say that's the case.

446
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Speaker 6: You have somebody in your community who you every day

447
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Speaker 6: at the grocery store, or who drives the school bus,

448
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Speaker 6: or who cleans the house, or who is the nanny

449
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Speaker 6: is somebody's children, or who is a healthcare worker, or

450
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Speaker 6: who is a construction worker, or who is an everyday

451
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Speaker 6: citizen just mining their business walking down the block.

452
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Speaker 4: It touches you, and.

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Speaker 6: It is going to change the fabric of many people's

454
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Speaker 6: neighborhoods in ways that they have no idea. So long

455
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Speaker 6: as we continue to say, well, this doesn't apply to me,

456
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Speaker 6: and maybe immigration doesn't apply to you, but these tariffs do.

457
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Speaker 6: Maybe these tariffs don't apply to you, but how healthcare

458
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Speaker 6: does and prescription drugs costs, Like, there's no way that this,

459
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Speaker 6: the oppressive regime that we now find ourselves under, is

460
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Speaker 6: not going to touch you in a very real way,

461
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Speaker 6: especially when we say, well, the safest people that we

462
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Speaker 6: can count on right now, we know if you're an

463
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Speaker 6: elected office, you're in a safe place. No, not even

464
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Speaker 6: on the soil of a you know, a private prison

465
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Speaker 6: right on the outside. Mayor res was on the outside

466
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Speaker 6: and now we're gonna hear from him, but on the

467
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Speaker 6: outside of this prison and on city land, and they

468
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Speaker 6: still found a way to say that he was trespassing.

469
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Speaker 6: There are people who they are holding in in that

470
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Speaker 6: private prison who are allegedly in violation of their immigration status.

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Speaker 6: They are painting it out. Do you guys remember that

472
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Speaker 6: show America's Most Wanted.

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Speaker 1: I was a producer on that show. Yes, I remember

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Speaker 1: it very much.

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Speaker 4: Yeah you should.

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Speaker 6: You should remember it so Tiff when they used to

477
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Speaker 6: hold up the mug shots and the music that comes

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Speaker 6: on on the music I Traveled.

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Speaker 1: I work with guys over I was producing for Travel.

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Speaker 4: If you want to, I just want to.

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Speaker 6: Whatever it is. If you want to tell the story,

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Speaker 6: you can. I'm just saying there was a dramatic effect

483
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Speaker 6: about it. And these people have dropped us right into

484
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Speaker 6: an episode of America's Most Wanted.

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Speaker 4: Every time Christy Noam comes on with.

486
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Speaker 6: Her makeup done and a bulletproof vest child like, that's

487
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Speaker 6: what they're doing. They're trying to create this dramatic series

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Speaker 6: of America's Most wanta and it is at the expense

489
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Speaker 6: of the child who's not gonna get to work, get

490
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Speaker 6: to school the next day because they just thole her mama. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: they're abducting humans, that's what's happening right now.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and for what and shipping them to offshore torture camps.

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Speaker 1: And now they're because of course, this is kind of

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Speaker 1: the point that I think we're all making. It is

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Speaker 1: not going to stop at migrants. So now the next

496
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Speaker 1: conversation and but we have to tap into our humanity

497
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Speaker 1: that we give a shit about them too. We are

498
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Speaker 1: not big enough in this community, in this country to

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Speaker 1: fight this fight alone and inevitably, as we as black

500
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Speaker 1: people always know. Of course, now it's coming to us

501
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Speaker 1: because now they're in conversations with Rwanda and other countries

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Speaker 1: to ship American citizens who are incarcerated to foreign countries.

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Speaker 1: And who knows. And I'm be honest with you all,

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Speaker 1: if I were one of these leaders in Africa, I

505
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Speaker 1: would be like, yeah, send me all your your black

506
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Speaker 1: people in prison, Send them all because we're gonna build

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Speaker 1: an army. We will train them and build an army.

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Speaker 4: Now this is the tip I want to cut.

509
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Speaker 6: This is it because yo, and I tell you right now,

510
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Speaker 6: I'm gonna find every leader of an African nation I

511
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Speaker 6: can to be like, hey, we have a great idea.

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Speaker 4: I stole tips.

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Speaker 1: I want to start an initiative trying to tell you,

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Speaker 1: especially because we might be next that the right things

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Speaker 1: are going.

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Speaker 4: We'll talk about that next week.

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Speaker 1: So hell, y'all want to tune in next week because.

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Speaker 4: You're definitely gonna want to tune in for this. They

519
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Speaker 4: have to get us, y'all. I get start.

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Speaker 1: We can't tell you yet because we need.

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Speaker 4: To talk to a lawyer.

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Speaker 3: Yes, they see some of it, they need all of it.

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Speaker 4: Andrew talking about they tried to come from what right?

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, I don't. I don't believe that once

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Speaker 3: is enough.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right.

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Speaker 6: If Tiff and Tiff and Andrew are heavy on this.

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Speaker 3: No, I'm not the For me. It is still metaphorical,

529
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Speaker 3: which is like, in every way in which you should

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Speaker 3: be able to exist as a living, breathing human being

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Speaker 3: who draws breath. They want to suffocate that out what

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Speaker 3: that offers. They want to suffocate it. I'll never forget

533
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 3: last week during our conversation hearing hearing the term you

534
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Speaker 3: want to see a dead man walking? I was, you know,

535
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Speaker 3: this is what I'm because I was dead inside, was

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Speaker 3: our guess's response to us.

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Speaker 4: Brother lewis right, Yeah, Ray Lewis.

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Speaker 3: It just it chilled me. It chilled me. There are

539
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Speaker 3: a lot of us moving. We are moving through our spaces,

540
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Speaker 3: not awoke, not wake, not awoken, not woke. And I

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Speaker 3: don't mean it in the satirical way in which we

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Speaker 3: hear Republicans talk about it. I mean moving in and

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Speaker 3: out of space without any awareness of what we're doing,

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Speaker 3: where we are, what's happening in it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I think the point that I'm making

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Speaker 1: about death, it was I watched the series. Michael Harriet

547
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Speaker 1: actually showed me a clip and I thought it was

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Speaker 1: just a clip from the show American Gods that's not

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Speaker 1: on air anymore. But essentially it's about like if gods

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Speaker 1: were walking the earth among us, like if these Greek

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Speaker 1: gods were everyday people. And they show the scene opens

552
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Speaker 1: with slaves on a ship and the slave is praying

553
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Speaker 1: the capture the captive. He's praying, please, if you get

554
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Speaker 1: me out of this situation, I will speak your name.

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Speaker 1: I will pray for you. And then this god appears,

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Speaker 1: a black man in everyday clothes, and he starts telling

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Speaker 1: the men and the slave, this is what you're about

558
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 1: to go through, and he walks them through when you

559
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: get to America, this is what's about to happen to you.

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00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: He walks them through the plantation, Jim Crow, civil rights, reconstruction,

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Speaker 1: all of it. So he says, you want to get

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Speaker 1: out of this situation, kill every one of these mothers dead, drown.

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Speaker 4: Them all a minute.

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Speaker 1: But what was this?

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Speaker 4: I need American.

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Speaker 1: Gods, American gods and Orlando. Yes, it's off air now.

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Speaker 1: And I didn't watch the whole show. I just saw

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Speaker 1: this clip. Orlando Jones plays the god and so the

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Speaker 1: black man says, but Master, we will die too if

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Speaker 1: we do that, and he leans in real close to

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Speaker 1: him and says, mother, you already did. And I just thought, oh,

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Speaker 1: my God, like that is his point is make it

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Speaker 1: easy for the next like take out. And of course,

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Speaker 1: just for legal purposes, we are not advocating any violence

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Speaker 1: or killing anybody. I want to be really clear. We

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Speaker 1: want to be really clear. We are speaking metaphorically. But

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Speaker 1: what I didn't know that the great historian Michael Harriet

578
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Speaker 1: later emailed me, is this is actually a true story.

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Speaker 1: And they were enslaved from Nigeria who drowned themselves because

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Speaker 1: they would rather die than be in bondage. And they

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Speaker 1: were off the shore of Georgia, and they killed the

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Speaker 1: enslaves and drowned them, and they were singing something in unison,

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Speaker 1: and it was something like the water spirit carried us here,

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Speaker 1: and the water spirit will set us free. And they

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Speaker 1: killed all the enslavers and drowned themselves. I say that

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Speaker 1: to say again, not promoting any kind of violence. We

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Speaker 1: don't wish death on anybody. I say that to say

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Speaker 1: that it is time for radical thought because if they

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Speaker 1: are going to harm me anyway, then then what if

590
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:43,959
Speaker 1: I'm at my rock bottom? Then what do I have

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Speaker 1: to lose? But anyway, I don't want to keep talking

592
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Speaker 1: because Angela, you had a great idea for the guests

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Speaker 1: this week. And first before we say that, I just

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Speaker 1: want to say I've apologize. I've been calling Angela Angela,

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Speaker 1: and I should address her as her proper title doctor ry.

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Speaker 6: Doctorates to clear the record. I want to thank you

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Speaker 6: so much for the support. This is my second doctorate.

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Speaker 1: But I'll save you.

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Speaker 6: But also let me tell you something that really gets

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Speaker 6: on my nerves. This is a public service announcement to

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Speaker 6: black people throughout the land. When you get an honorary doctorate,

602
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Speaker 6: please don't start calling yourself doctor.

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Speaker 4: I want to listen.

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Speaker 6: And even if even if you got the doctorate from

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Speaker 6: the storefront church, right like, I respect you and that's great,

606
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 6: but like, please, the people that have earned a doctorate

607
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Speaker 6: and went to school to do this, like my mother

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Speaker 6: who is a doctor education, she's an d D, please

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Speaker 6: put some respect on their names.

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Speaker 4: I will maintain counselor and attorney. Angela R.

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Speaker 6: I shall not become a doctor, but I will take

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Speaker 6: it here. So now Tiffany and and you should only

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Speaker 6: address me as doctor.

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Speaker 1: We are only gonna call you doctor.

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Speaker 3: I got my own doctor.

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Speaker 6: And to be clear, I would like for oh, so

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Speaker 6: Andrew's gonna be doctors, well mine needs to be doctor though.

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Speaker 4: Okay it's a different I'm still I'm not undermine name.

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Speaker 4: It's d O C T A. Yeah, doctor.

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Speaker 1: Okay, And now I want you to bring.

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Speaker 3: I want you to get because I want to disassociate

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Speaker 3: myself from from Angela's comments about y'all and doctor y'all.

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Speaker 3: Doctor y'all are signature your email to doctor such and such.

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Speaker 1: Okay. Just on the other side of this break, we're

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Speaker 1: going to pick up the conversation. But we'll be joined

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Speaker 1: by Mayor Ross Baraka, who's also running for governor of

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Speaker 1: New Jersey. So don't go anywhere you want to stick

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Speaker 1: around for this conversation. We'll see you on the other side.

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Speaker 6: All right, everyone, Well, we are thrilled to be joined

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Speaker 6: by Newark's fortieth mayor. A good friend of this shows

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Speaker 6: is this is not his first time with Native lampod

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Speaker 6: Our good brother and friend.

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Speaker 4: Mayor Rasbaraka, how are you doing.

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Speaker 5: I'm good.

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Speaker 6: I'm good, good, absolutely.

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Speaker 3: Literally welcome, welcome.

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Speaker 4: Yes, we are so happy to have you.

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Speaker 6: We are going to run some sound from the Department

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Speaker 6: Homeland Securities Assistant secretary. She handles their press. Her name

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Speaker 6: is Tricia McLoughlin, and she had this to say about

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Speaker 6: the recent incident outside of the Newark Ice facility.

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Speaker 7: There will likely be more arrests coming. We actually have

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Speaker 7: body camera footage of some of these members of Congress

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Speaker 7: assaulting our ice enforcement officers, including body slamming a female

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Speaker 7: ice officer. So we will be showing that to viewers

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Speaker 7: very shortly.

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Speaker 3: Video members of Congress body slamming ice. That's correct, officials.

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Speaker 7: That's correct, sir, It's disgusting.

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Speaker 3: Here are you lying, Andrew?

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Speaker 6: Just one moment, let us the mayor was there. Mayor

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Speaker 6: the mayor was there, Mayor Rasrocker. We have seen footage

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Speaker 6: from multiple angles, and I would love to see when

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Speaker 6: or hear about when you saw congressman body watch of

654
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Speaker 6: COVID lift somebody up overhead and throw them down to

655
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Speaker 6: the ground.

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Speaker 4: Do you have that footage? Have you seen that it

657
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 4: doesn't exist.

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Speaker 6: Okay, I didn't think so, all right, tip it, Andrew.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it don't exist because it didn't happen, right, correct.

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Speaker 3: Y'all know the first thing we would have seen on

661
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Speaker 3: the news had that been true, would have been whatever

662
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Speaker 3: that video is. But they just lost so hard, Mayor.

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Speaker 5: Completely man, and they're so used to it. They're comfortable

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Speaker 5: in line. You know.

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Speaker 3: I'm telling you, brother, you needed this like you needed

666
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 3: a hole in your head. You're in the middle of

667
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 3: the race to become governor of the Democratic nominee for

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Speaker 3: governor of New Jersey. Your heart in some ways, I

669
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 3: know your head. I went back and watched one of

670
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 3: your latest debate, and your race reminds me of the

671
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 3: five way primary we had down here in twenty eighteen.

672
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 3: And if that foretells anything, brother, the future is bright.

673
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 3: Just do it slightly differently and bring it all the

674
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Speaker 3: way home in the general election. I do want to

675
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 3: ask you, Mayor, were you taken aback when you were

676
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Speaker 3: asked during the last debate about whether or not you'll

677
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Speaker 3: be able to work with federal officials and law enforcement,

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Speaker 3: given that you had been arrested just shortly before the

679
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Speaker 3: debate while doing your job as the mayor of your

680
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 3: city inspecting this facility. Did that throw you a jar?

681
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Speaker 3: And is that in any way representative of the way

682
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 3: in which you've run this race and the way the

683
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 3: media has covered it?

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Speaker 5: Right? No, I mean they love to portray us at

685
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 5: as these kind of thugs, as folks that you know,

686
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 5: cannot work with with folks that we're angry, we're overly radical,

687
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 5: and this is the reason why we can't govern and

688
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 5: be elected. But my record in Newark is clear what

689
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 5: we've done around public safety, reducing crime and violence about

690
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Speaker 5: sixty one percent. The city hasn't had this less amount

691
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Speaker 5: of violence since John F. Kennedy was the President of

692
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 5: the United States. I mean, we're doing a great job

693
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Speaker 5: with community violence intervention workers, working with the police. But

694
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Speaker 5: that's the way they try to pigeonhole us and you know,

695
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 5: barricade us into their caricatures of what they think we are.

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00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 5: You know. So, but if you could see the videos

697
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Speaker 5: clear that they let me in the gate, right, they

698
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,359
Speaker 5: let me in the gate. It's like entrapment almost, right,

699
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 5: they let me in the gate. Then they arrested me

700
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Speaker 5: after I leave the gate.

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Speaker 1: As another great mayor would say, mister mayor, let me

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Speaker 1: let me ask you. We saw the footage, and first

703
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Speaker 1: of all, we're just happy to see that you are

704
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: safe and release because so many people are not. So

705
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: many people are kidnapped and being disappeared by this government,

706
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Speaker 1: which is really frightening. We talked a bit before you

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Speaker 1: joined us about the fracture in some of the communities.

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Speaker 1: You know, there are some people on the black community

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Speaker 1: who feel like, well, these you know, illegal ice attentions

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00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: ain't my fight, it's not my problem. And they're even

711
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,760
Speaker 1: pre Trump. There have been infighting among communities of color,

712
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: fighting for resources, which is something you would certainly confront

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Speaker 1: as governor of New Jersey given the diversity of that state.

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Speaker 1: I'm curious what you would say to black constituents who

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Speaker 1: may feel like I want you to be the governor

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Speaker 1: for me. If you're taking up this fight, how can

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Speaker 1: you be the governor for me? How would you counter

718
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:48,240
Speaker 1: that ill informed sentiment?

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Speaker 5: Right? But this fight is our fight. I mean, the

720
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Speaker 5: attack on due process is our fight. The attack on

721
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Speaker 5: the fourth Amendment, fifth Amendment of Constitution, of fourteenth Amendment,

722
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 5: these are our fights. The fourteen Amendment was created post slavery,

723
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 5: This is directly our fight. And the first people that

724
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 5: are going to be attacked the minute we allow them

725
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Speaker 5: to roll the fourth and fifth Amendment is us. We

726
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 5: have already been attacked, but this does is open the

727
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Speaker 5: door and leave us more vulnerable than it did already.

728
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Speaker 5: We have to fight for people who are struggling around

729
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 5: the same things we're struggling around, and we have to

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Speaker 5: see our commonality there. And it's up to us as leaders,

731
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Speaker 5: as writers, as journalists, as put folks out in the

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Speaker 5: front so to explain that to people so they can

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Speaker 5: understand clearly that this fight is our fight.

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Speaker 6: I got to ask you, given everything that's happened me

735
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Speaker 6: or we were in New Orleans at the time on

736
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Speaker 6: the State of the People tour, and of course you

737
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Speaker 6: joined us this week. You're so grateful for your remarks

738
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Speaker 6: and your courage, but I'm curious to know, given everything

739
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:52,800
Speaker 6: that's going on, the fact that now you were arrested.

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Speaker 6: I believe that they are trying to charge you with

741
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Speaker 6: a misdemeanor of trespassing. Have you heard from the Department

742
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,399
Speaker 6: of Justice on this case and what the next steps are?

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Speaker 5: Yes, I have. I mean, we supposed to have a

744
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Speaker 5: hearing tomorrow. They're trying to turn it into another kind

745
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 5: of hearing. They're now saying the charge is too small

746
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 5: to have a preliminary hearing. They didn't say that when

747
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 5: they were fingerprinting me and taking my pictures, but on

748
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 5: making me do PTI that morning, you know, going through

749
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 5: this asking me questions, do I have mental illness, do

750
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Speaker 5: I take drugs? All this kind of stuff. So now

751
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 5: they're saying that the charge is too small, but we

752
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 5: still have to go through the process. And you know, ultimately,

753
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Speaker 5: I think they know that they made error here and

754
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 5: they want to fix that, but they want us to

755
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 5: acquiesce in the process. That's what's taking this thing so long.

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00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 5: They know they need to drop the case, but they

757
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,359
Speaker 5: want me to bend the knee before that happens. And

758
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,359
Speaker 5: they'll be waiting until they're blue in the face, until

759
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 5: the cows come home. As my grandfother would say, if

760
00:41:55,960 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 5: they expect that to happen, what does that mean, Well,

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00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 5: it means that they want me to uh, you know,

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Speaker 5: bow to them, to acquiesce, to say that we were

763
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 5: wrong to uh basically come to them and uh kind

764
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 5: of beg them even Uh it's it's it's it's it's

765
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 5: ridiculous because I didn't do anything wrong. I violated new laws.

766
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 5: The land I was on, even when the property I

767
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 5: was on anyway was not even federal property. It's not

768
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Speaker 5: federal property, so they don't have any charge for federal trespass.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I just it's just incorrect.

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Speaker 1: I want to be clear. You're are you saying that

771
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 1: someone from the administration came to you and said if

772
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Speaker 1: you say these things, if you say that you were wrong,

773
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 1: then they would well be helpful to you.

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Speaker 5: Well, they're talking to our they're talking to our lawyers, right,

775
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,320
Speaker 5: and the lawyers are giving me all kinds of options.

776
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 5: And obviously these options I have to come from somewhere, right,

777
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 5: So they're given me all kinds of options of what

778
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 5: it is that we can do, what's possible, what's plausible, uh,

779
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 5: and and and what's reality. The fact is uh that

780
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 5: it's it would be silly for them to take this

781
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 5: all the way through into logical and Uh. It's a

782
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 5: misdemeanor of class T misdemeanor. First of all, the maximum

783
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 5: is thirty days in jail, four hundred, five hundred dollars fine.

784
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 5: I don't know any judge that's going to do that,

785
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 5: or any federal prosecutor that's going to prosecute this case

786
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 5: after they see the evidence. The Brady log of demands

787
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 5: that they give us all the evidence that they have.

788
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 5: If they turn over the guard who let me in

789
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 5: the door in the first place, the gate in the

790
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 5: first place, that ends the fact that I came on

791
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 5: the property, that I busted in, that I forced my

792
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 5: way in, that I was not invited in because I

793
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 5: was invited in.

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Speaker 4: For clarity, were you on were you inside the gate

795
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 4: when they handcuffed you or were you outside the gate?

796
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 5: I was outside the gate. They told me to leave.

797
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 5: After going back and forth with me and the congress people,

798
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 5: I left. There's a video of body watching colon and

799
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 5: holding my arm. We're walking out very peacefully, very calmly.

800
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 5: The agents are around me. We leave the gate. They

801
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 5: stay inside so they could go do their tour. But

802
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 5: the tour didn't happen because a special agent in charge

803
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:03,720
Speaker 5: got a phone call and that's also on a video,

804
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 5: and then they huddle up and leave and come and

805
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 5: get me.

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00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 6: Yes, And I think that's important for yeah, if I

807
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 6: want people to understand that he was not on the

808
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 6: private prison by the way, the private prison side. When

809
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 6: this all happened, he was on that was city land, correct,

810
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 6: mister mayor, Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I was on the opposite side of the gate, absolutely.

812
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 1: In the city correct, right exactly.

813
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 6: So you said that they want you to acquiesce there

814
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 6: might be a mayor that is geographically close to where

815
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 6: you now are, also mayor that we might look to

816
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 6: as an example of what not to do.

817
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 4: Since Mayor raz is two class, he to do this,

818
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 4: I will name him.

819
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,760
Speaker 6: That is Mayor Eric Adams, So that's who they probably

820
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 6: want him to behave like, but he won't do that

821
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Speaker 6: because this is a mayor of the people.

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Speaker 1: As Eric Adams was offered uh an exit ramp by

823
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 1: this administration and now he has become an acolyte and

824
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Speaker 1: mouthpiece for this administration after his entire office was arrested.

825
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 1: I can't remember all the charges, but I believe it

826
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: was bribery. He was, you know, involved in making deals

827
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Speaker 1: with the foreign countries, including Turkey, so just our viewers know.

828
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Speaker 1: But mister Mayor, it seems like they were targeting you specifically.

829
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Speaker 1: Of all the people who were there, it seems like

830
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Speaker 1: they wanted to arrest you. One do you feel like

831
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:34,360
Speaker 1: you were targeted. Two. If so, why and how concerned

832
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Speaker 1: are you? Because you're you're speaking about well, you know,

833
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: it's clear that the video, we all know facts, but

834
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Speaker 1: in a society where facts don't matter, I'm just wondering,

835
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Speaker 1: how concerned are you about this court date this week

836
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Speaker 1: and by the time the show airs, you will have

837
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Speaker 1: already been in court.

838
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, obviously you're concerned. I was concerned about

839
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 5: being arrested. I don't know what these people are gonna

840
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 5: take me, what they're gonna do. I don't know who

841
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 5: you even the track record of what these people have,

842
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 5: they disappearing people, But I don't know what's going to happen,

843
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:07,359
Speaker 5: you know, you know, so I am concerned about the

844
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 5: outcome of this. I mean, I know we have a

845
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:13,320
Speaker 5: very good team of lawyers, and you know the public

846
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 5: is watching, so that that helps us right to keep

847
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 5: it public and have it as a very public event.

848
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 5: I think they arrested me because I'm the mayor right

849
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 5: as mayor of the state's largest city, and it's not

850
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 5: about me personally. It's about them flexing their muscles. They

851
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 5: want to arrest judges, mayors, so forth, and so on.

852
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 5: To prove a point that you know, they're strong, that

853
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 5: they could do what they want to do. Nobody's going

854
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 5: to defy them, and no matter who you are, what

855
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 5: your position of status is, we're coming to get you.

856
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 5: So I think they wanted to get the person they

857
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 5: thought that was in charge that day, and that that

858
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 5: happened to be me, right, and so they came and

859
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 5: got me, and you know, the US Attorney and I

860
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 5: had words back and forth publicly on social media. I mean,

861
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 5: it wasn't too bad, but you know, they don't like

862
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,439
Speaker 5: to be called out. But at the end of the day,

863
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 5: this was their opportunity to show me. As you know,

864
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 5: as people say, that's what they did. They came out

865
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 5: and showed me. They took locked me up, cuffed me

866
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Speaker 5: and took me in, took me into a seal.

867
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:14,919
Speaker 3: Mayor. They did more than show you, They showed all

868
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 3: of us. And I think that has in part the

869
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 3: intention that by going after what we as the community

870
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 3: believed to be those who are the leadership voices and

871
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 3: therefore are beyond you touching them, roughing them up, putting

872
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 3: handcuffs on them over public demonstration, We're going to go

873
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 3: after the very thing that you think is untouchable, the

874
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,760
Speaker 3: very person who you think who you call your leader

875
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 3: and who is your elected leader, and bring that person

876
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,839
Speaker 3: to not just heal, but to humiliation is in part

877
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,879
Speaker 3: there is in part their goal, which is really why

878
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:51,760
Speaker 3: I wanted to and I have a question about Governor,

879
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 3: but I didn't want to skip over because I've been

880
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 3: there with them before, that process of submitting yourself through

881
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 3: arrest and the dehumanizing lens that that goes to in

882
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,359
Speaker 3: the mind games that it can play with you if

883
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 3: you are not steadfast and unmovable and and and and

884
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 3: your positionality here. But if for the average person out there,

885
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 3: how can you deepen into this this knowing that we

886
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 3: all have that if they can do that, Dura may

887
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 3: erasp Baraka, who am I? Why should I protest? If

888
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 3: that can be done to him, can it be done

889
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 3: to me?

890
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 5: Yeah? I absolutely can. But the reality is our collective

891
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 5: power is greater than our individual power, right, and that

892
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 5: we have to be together. And this is a moral moment.

893
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 5: I've been saying that, you know, this is a moment,

894
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 5: you know when when Jim Crow is happening and people

895
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 5: were being denied opportunity to vote and being killed in

896
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 5: the South, or trying to organize people to vote. When

897
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 5: Mega Evers was shot in his wife's arms, or four

898
00:48:57,520 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 5: little girls blown up in the church in Birmingham. People

899
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 5: had to speak up, they had to say stuff right.

900
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 5: It was their moral moment, and people from all nationalities

901
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 5: or religions. Some of them made comment and did even

902
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 5: more than that, and some did nothing right. The history

903
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 5: is going to judge those people. It's the same now

904
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 5: what happens now. You know, when Irish Americans came here,

905
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 5: they went through the same criminalization of the humanization. When

906
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 5: Italian Americans came here, they did the same thing. Jewish

907
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 5: Americans as well. This is not a new tactic for

908
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 5: these kind of despots and authoritarian folks. And you know

909
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 5: what happens to people of color, it's always a lot worse.

910
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 5: So at the end of the day, we could sit

911
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:35,839
Speaker 5: around and watch what's going on, or we could use

912
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 5: our platform to fight back. And that's what we're supposed

913
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 5: to be doing in a collective way.

914
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:43,320
Speaker 3: Mayor, how are you feeling about the run for governor

915
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 3: where we're what three were about two three weeks out

916
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:52,839
Speaker 3: from voting. Clothes give our listeners a sense of how

917
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,359
Speaker 3: you're feeling on the ground and also what they can

918
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 3: do at this point as you close in on election.

919
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,839
Speaker 5: Day, it's fourth quarter, we got the third seconds left.

920
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 5: Is the tie game and we got the ball. That's

921
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 5: really what it is. Either we're gonna score or we not.

922
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:08,320
Speaker 5: And it's simply that you know, the race is so close,

923
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 5: it's gonna boil down to who gets their voters out

924
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:14,399
Speaker 5: to the polls that day. Whoever's ground game is more

925
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 5: complex efficient I should say, stronger money in the ground,

926
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 5: having their people out, pulling their voters out, those are

927
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 5: the folks that are gonna win. Nobody's gonna win with

928
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 5: more than thirty percent of the vote. Somebody's gonna win

929
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 5: with twenty four to twenty five percent of the vote.

930
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 5: That's about two hundred thousand people if that. And so

931
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:34,320
Speaker 5: it's gonna take a real operation on the street to

932
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 5: get people out. And what that means is that we

933
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 5: can't afford to stay home like our family members. We

934
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 5: have to do relational voting like everybody in our circle.

935
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 5: You call the people you know, You talk to the

936
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 5: people you know and make sure that they vote in

937
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 5: their family members vote. I mean, if that's something that's

938
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 5: less complicated then going out with a team of people

939
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 5: knocking on doors and doing all this stuff. You can

940
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 5: sit in your home and call everybody on your phone

941
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 5: and make sure they vote and put it together the

942
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 5: night before the day of start building that right now.

943
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:07,919
Speaker 5: And I'm a member our five fraternity and they always

944
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 5: ask me what can we do? I said, make sure

945
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 5: every out for in New Jersey votes for Rasbarrock on

946
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:15,879
Speaker 5: June tenth, and their wives and their children. That's enough

947
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 5: to let everybody else do that as well.

948
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 6: I want to get into a little bit of platform

949
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 6: because so much as this has been a distraction to

950
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:27,319
Speaker 6: the race that you're running, like you anticipated going to

951
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 6: stand up for constituents and folks who have been living

952
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 6: in Newark and hardly expected to ever be seeing the

953
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 6: inside of a detention facility in the middle of a

954
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 6: gubernatorial run, and so on.

955
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 4: Platform.

956
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 6: One of the things that came up at our State

957
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:44,240
Speaker 6: of the People tour stop in Newark was the wealth

958
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 6: gap for black folks versus white folks in the state

959
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 6: of New Jersey. I believe they said black folks, white

960
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 6: folks who are around six hundred thousand in New Jersey

961
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:57,840
Speaker 6: versus like seventeen thousand for black families in New Jersey.

962
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 6: What are your plans, mister Mayor, to close the wealth

963
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 6: gap in the state.

964
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 5: And that's actually doubled by the way, so it was

965
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 5: about three hundred thousand doing COVID, So it's doubled in

966
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 5: a very short period of time. And at the base

967
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:14,840
Speaker 5: of that its home ownership and investment in small businesses.

968
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 5: And you know, African American businesses are usually sole proprietorships

969
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,400
Speaker 5: in this state, and they get less than one percent

970
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:25,839
Speaker 5: of support from state dollars in New Jersey, So black,

971
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 5: brown and women businesses get very little to no support

972
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 5: from the state. I would say we need first a

973
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 5: diversity procurement officer to make sure that every department in

974
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 5: the state is procuring dollars and businesses from black and

975
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 5: brown and women businesses, specifically black businesses in these communities

976
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 5: that are being underrepresented and left behind. We also have

977
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 5: been talking about a public bank that is not a

978
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 5: commercial bank, but an investment bank where we put our

979
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 5: dollars and we force cra dollars to be as well,

980
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 5: and we do deliverate an intentional investment in home ownership

981
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 5: capital loans for people to begin their own homes, begin

982
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 5: to invest in businesses so they grow, so they can

983
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 5: hire more employees, so they can move from one city

984
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:06,319
Speaker 5: to multiple cities, to put money in people's pockets and

985
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:08,840
Speaker 5: invest in communities that have been left behind, have barriers

986
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 5: in their way because of race and because of class.

987
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 5: And that's what we want to do in any immediate sense.

988
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 5: And we want to help finance these chambers of commerces,

989
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 5: especially that African American Chamber of Commerce, so they can

990
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 5: help these businesses with back office paperwork, so they could

991
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 5: bid for contracts, so they can stand on their feet,

992
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 5: so they balance sheets are good. All of that is important.

993
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 5: Teaching them how to bond so they could compete in

994
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 5: a larger way with other businesses. But we have to

995
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 5: infuse capital in these communities because that's what we're missing.

996
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, Mayor. One of the things that I've read that

997
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:43,879
Speaker 3: you're facing, and I know I faced the same thing

998
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,360
Speaker 3: where some of your opponents or supporters of your opponents

999
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:51,839
Speaker 3: would say the Republicans are craving Razbaraka as the Democratic

1000
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 3: nominee because they feel like they can beat them. I

1001
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:57,359
Speaker 3: remember being asked that and say, my opponents, of course

1002
00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:00,319
Speaker 3: have no interest in that narrative being pushed. You know

1003
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:05,320
Speaker 3: before I answer, But obviously that is an easy narrative

1004
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:08,840
Speaker 3: to push when you're the first, when you were attempting

1005
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 3: to rise against the grain and to you're not. You're

1006
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 3: not running for governor to become the first. You're running

1007
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 3: for governor to be of service to the people you

1008
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 3: care about. But of course you were, you were. You're

1009
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 3: breaking some barriers to be successful in the Democratic nominee.

1010
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 3: What's your best pushback on? Of course, the Republicans want

1011
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:31,320
Speaker 3: me because I'm weaker.

1012
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, what they think being black is a weakness. I don't.

1013
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:37,800
Speaker 5: They think being from Newark is a weakness. I don't.

1014
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 5: I think it gives me the acumen and the skill,

1015
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 5: the record to be able to solve very difficult and

1016
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:45,840
Speaker 5: complex problems that they have no idea how to solve.

1017
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 5: I think because I'm closer to the problem, I'm closer

1018
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 5: to the solutions. My messaging appeals to everybody up and

1019
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 5: down the state of New Jersey because everybody is in

1020
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 5: the same situation, and Democrats have been afraid to talk

1021
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:01,840
Speaker 5: the way I've been talking, which is why we're punching

1022
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 5: high above our weight. Because the message that we're telling

1023
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 5: people is that the economy is broken and we can

1024
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:10,840
Speaker 5: fix it. That it has to be more inclusive and

1025
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:13,759
Speaker 5: not exclusive. That we can lawyer your taxes, lawyer your costs.

1026
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 5: That we can make the wealthy paid their fair share.

1027
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 5: Everybody wants to hear that. And we can do this

1028
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:21,840
Speaker 5: by leaning into diversity, equity, inclusion, not running away from it.

1029
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 5: That we can make the state more democratic by doing

1030
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 5: In fact, diversity, equity and inclusion is going to make

1031
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 5: our economy stronger, right, And we have to make a

1032
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 5: relationship between those messages. So we've been talking about the

1033
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 5: same thing all of us have been talking about nationally. Wages,

1034
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:38,840
Speaker 5: work and wealth. I mean, those are the three things

1035
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 5: that we're pushing in this state and in this country. Right.

1036
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 5: We need better wages, we need increased opportunities for work

1037
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 5: in our communities, and we need a pathway to wealth

1038
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 5: here and all Americans want that. You know, we just

1039
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 5: have had the greatest obstacles in our way. And remove

1040
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 5: our obstacles. Everybody obstacles get moved, and history has proven.

1041
00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 6: That, Mayor raz I'm going to bring Tiffany Drew into

1042
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 6: our text. The one thing that we talk about the

1043
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 6: most historically is the nineteen seventy two Gary and Dianna

1044
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 6: National Black Political Convention. I'm bringing that up with intention

1045
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 6: because you represent a largely black space in Newark that

1046
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:20,760
Speaker 6: is becoming increasingly more black and brown. But we also

1047
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 6: know historically that when we do for us, it benefits everybody.

1048
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 4: So when you reflect.

1049
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:28,400
Speaker 6: On what your dad was building in nineteen seventy two

1050
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 6: and Gary and what you have continued to build as

1051
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 6: in elected office, but taking that pledge, even though you

1052
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 6: didn't sign it, you have definitely held true to the

1053
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 6: tenets of that convention. What do you think are the

1054
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 6: three areas that we need to be implementing? One in

1055
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 6: New Jersey, but nationally, if we could as a people,

1056
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:46,399
Speaker 6: what should we be.

1057
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 5: Doing based on what they've said there?

1058
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 6: So, yeah, So when you think, like DC statehood, wages,

1059
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:56,240
Speaker 6: all of the things that they brought up in seventy

1060
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:58,399
Speaker 6: two and that agenda, what are some of the things

1061
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 6: that you're like, if we did these three things, we

1062
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:02,399
Speaker 6: would be a hell of a lot further than where

1063
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 6: we than where we are.

1064
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 5: I think reparations is clearly one of the top three

1065
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 5: on that list. I mean, I think that's incredibly important,

1066
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:12,800
Speaker 5: and all that means is to make sure we remove

1067
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:15,759
Speaker 5: obstacles out of long historic obstacles out of people's way

1068
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 5: and give them the opportunity to perform, to give them

1069
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 5: a chance at bat, whether it's in the form of

1070
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 5: education or earned income tax credits, or opportunities for capital

1071
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 5: to purchase homes, to destroy that wealth gap, to be

1072
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 5: able to grow in terms of their business. And I

1073
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 5: think that that's clearly one of the things I remember,

1074
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 5: you know, Queen mothermore passing out flyers and that thing.

1075
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 5: We need reparations. We need reparations. That's that's clear. People

1076
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 5: have been talking about that for a long time, and

1077
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 5: I think some form of that has to happen, and

1078
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 5: some discussions around what that looks like in states are

1079
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 5: talking about it, and we need to make that a

1080
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:53,080
Speaker 5: national push, and we need to say what we mean

1081
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Speaker 5: when we say reparations and what and what we actually want.

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Speaker 5: It's not enough to say reparations in a theoretical sense.

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Speaker 5: We have to say it in a really digmatic and

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Speaker 5: material way. What are we talking about, uh? And and

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Speaker 5: who should get it right? And that's that's real and

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Speaker 5: and I think that's incredibly important UH as well uh,

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Speaker 5: a pathway there. There was a big fight in there

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Speaker 5: to me about you know, unions and and unions were

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Speaker 5: walking out because there's a whole struggle even today about

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Speaker 5: unions and their inclusion of black and brown people, uh

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Speaker 5: in those unions. And I think the trade unions and

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Speaker 5: our ability to get engaged in helping build the communities

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Speaker 5: that we actually live in is very very important. And

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Speaker 5: we need to sit down with these trade unions and

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Speaker 5: figure out how to make sure that young black and

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Speaker 5: brown boys in these communities have immediate, quick and deliberate

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Speaker 5: access into these unions to help build their communities. That

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Speaker 5: absolutely positively needs to happen right away because these are

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Speaker 5: good paying jobs. The building is not going anywhere. We

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Speaker 5: need more. In fact, there's a gap, a hole in

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Speaker 5: construction trades. As you know, they need to high more people,

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Speaker 5: and so we have a lot of people that are

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Speaker 5: available to be hired, you know, that's for sure. So

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Speaker 5: I think that's incredibly important for us. You know. I

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Speaker 5: also add DC statehood is important too, and I would

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Speaker 5: add that, you know, because it gives us more representation,

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Speaker 5: you know, you know, prayerfully, it allows us on another

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Speaker 5: senator right to more senators. It allows us an opportunity

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Speaker 5: to have more influence nationally and what's going on in Congress,

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Speaker 5: and we desperately need that now more than ever before,

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00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 5: you know. But ultimately I think that all of us

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Speaker 5: we need a real convention like that again, like across

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Speaker 5: these states. We need a convention that brings us all

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Speaker 5: together where we brainstorm these issues in a very real

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Speaker 5: way to talk about a pathway forward because a lot

1116
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 5: of people are doing their own thing and it's time

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Speaker 5: for us to do something collective.

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Speaker 4: Well, hopefully you'll come on June nineteenth through the twenty first.

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Speaker 4: We're going to do that with State of the People.

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Speaker 4: You know, I talked to Larry Ham yesterday, so.

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Speaker 6: Hope that you'll be able to come and hopefully, mister

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Speaker 6: mayor with good news on the other.

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Speaker 4: Side of an election.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, Thank you governor for joining us. I'm

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Speaker 1: predicting good news, So thank you governor for being here.

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Speaker 1: And I just want to want to take a quick

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Speaker 1: note to our viewers that even if you don't live

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Speaker 1: in New Jersey, in this environment we're in, governors are

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Speaker 1: on the front lines to push back against this administration.

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Speaker 1: And so I don't live in New Jersey. But I'm

1131
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 1: deeply invested in your race, and we all need to

1132
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:31,000
Speaker 1: be deeply invested in these races as a people. So

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Speaker 1: thank you, and I'm sure that Alphus will appreciate that

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Speaker 1: shout out you gave them.

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Speaker 3: Good luck mayor soon to be go.

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Speaker 4: Yes, thank you so much.

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Speaker 5: Thank you.

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Speaker 6: And with this case, yes, yeah, how do you catch

1139
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Speaker 6: you trying to catch an election?

1140
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Speaker 4: You catch a case like yeah.

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Speaker 3: Believe me that he's exhibiting the kind of courage that

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Speaker 3: any of us should want in a governor.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he didn't point it out for himself, but

1145
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:00,880
Speaker 3: at the time that he was arrested, the had already

1146
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 3: been there days before, doing the same thing, day after day,

1147
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 3: bringing attention to this illegally operating facility in his city.

1148
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 3: So when no cameras were there, when the threat of arrest,

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01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:17,560
Speaker 3: did you know, seemed you know, much less real than

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01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 3: it actually became, he was standing in the gap. And

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Speaker 3: I think that's the kind of that's the kind of

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Speaker 3: leadership you want. And I think, ladies, beautifully, I loved

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01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:32,880
Speaker 3: that he really sensed his argument in one of economics. Uh,

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01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:36,080
Speaker 3: you know, we drove him in other directions to talk

1155
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 3: about things that we wanted to hear his voice on

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Speaker 3: the record on. But he was talking tax breaks, tax incentives,

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Speaker 3: home ownership, wealth building strategies, ensuring that you know, startup

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Speaker 3: equity is available, you know, to all people across races

1159
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Speaker 3: and genders. That I think that's a powerful salient message,

1160
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 3: one that the party nationally needs to get with. But

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Speaker 3: but I really love home home base for him, which

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01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 3: sounds like helping people get the resources they need to

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Speaker 3: provide for themselves and their family and beyond.

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Speaker 4: Well, I I I want to just tell y'all.

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Speaker 6: So I went to Fox News, I know, but I

1166
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:19,720
Speaker 6: wanted to look on here because they have an article

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01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 6: about Mayor RAS's speech and it says Newark mayor compares

1168
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:28,520
Speaker 6: self to biblical hero in wake of ice protest arrests.

1169
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Speaker 6: This is our David moment. These jack asses call this

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Speaker 6: thing a political rally, are and completely misrepresent No surprises there.

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Speaker 6: What his point was. He was saying that this is

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Speaker 6: our collective David moment, and if all we have is

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Speaker 6: a few smooth stones in a slingshot, we could take

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Speaker 6: it on now. If people don't understand how the United

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01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:55,920
Speaker 6: States government functions as a goliath in the face of

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Speaker 6: every David. Whether you're you're David because you're hungry, or

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Speaker 6: you're Dad because you're incarcerated, or you're David because you're

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Speaker 6: an immigrant and you're not protected, or you're the child

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Speaker 6: of one and you're a dreamer.

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Speaker 4: You're a David because.

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Speaker 6: You don't know if you're going to be able to

1182
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:12,800
Speaker 6: read the books you need to actually learn in your classroom.

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01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:14,880
Speaker 6: You might be David because it's like the woman I

1184
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:17,720
Speaker 6: talked about who's a school teacher but sleeps in her car.

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Speaker 6: There are a gazillion David's in this country, and we

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01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:23,320
Speaker 6: should not be trivializing that.

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Speaker 1: Thankfully, the people, their audience is ninety four percent white.

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01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:34,000
Speaker 1: They're mostly conservative people, so they're you know, I don't

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Speaker 1: know there, you can never I don't look for reason there,

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01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:39,440
Speaker 1: you know, And I don't think a majority of sensible

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01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:42,320
Speaker 1: people are looking at their website or consuming their their

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01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:45,920
Speaker 1: news every single time. Big it could be.

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Speaker 4: A kill it on numbers.

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Speaker 1: And so because country is majority white.

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Speaker 6: So if one of them happened, one of them, David's

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01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:57,439
Speaker 6: happened to click on us over here, David's, I hope

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01:03:57,440 --> 01:04:00,960
Speaker 6: that they hear the rationale was actually just said, there

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Speaker 6: are also entities that are black owned that do this

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Speaker 6: same kind of thing, And so in case they thought

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Speaker 6: they was gonna run this same point, that's why I'm

1201
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:11,360
Speaker 6: bringing it up because it's clickbait. In case you were

1202
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:13,600
Speaker 6: gonna run the same point, at least run the clip

1203
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:16,160
Speaker 6: back before you get your clickbait said.

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Speaker 1: That's something I think that might be a good mini

1205
01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:21,960
Speaker 1: pod if y'all want to do it, because what you

1206
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:25,840
Speaker 1: just said, Angela about black outlets picking up conservative talking points,

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Speaker 1: which they do from Fox, because I have seen them much. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and for me personally, like even when you were saying that,

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01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:35,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't care what white people reading, what

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Speaker 1: they think about, Like, I just don't have the energy.

1211
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Speaker 1: Should we should we care? Should we be talking to

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Speaker 1: white folks? Y'all want to talk about that on Mini

1213
01:04:42,120 --> 01:04:42,640
Speaker 1: pot or no care?

1214
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:45,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, I definitely want to talk about it, because.

1215
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Speaker 1: Well, was that about that on Mini pot? But now,

1216
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 1: so y'all be sure that they called it a political rally,

1217
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 1: I'm mad as hell about that.

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Speaker 4: That is not what this was.

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01:04:56,600 --> 01:04:59,800
Speaker 1: Well, luckily not to we don't share too many audience

1220
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:02,280
Speaker 1: men is with them. Okay, On the other side, of

1221
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:05,280
Speaker 1: his break. We got calls to action, and given everything

1222
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:07,160
Speaker 1: we talked about on this show, you want to stick

1223
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:19,120
Speaker 1: around for this one. Now it is time for calls

1224
01:05:19,120 --> 01:05:24,760
Speaker 1: to action. Alls to action, and I want to know

1225
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:27,000
Speaker 1: what everybody's calls to action is? Do y'all want me

1226
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Speaker 1: to go first? Y'allready? Who got one?

1227
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Speaker 3: Going with the hosts?

1228
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:32,080
Speaker 6: Oh my god?

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01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:45,240
Speaker 4: Going with it? I was like, and to comfortable, pak

1230
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Speaker 4: leave in?

1231
01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:46,479
Speaker 3: Are right now.

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01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:57,760
Speaker 4: Going with it? That would actually be in this song,

1233
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:03,880
Speaker 4: you know, arrative.

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01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:09,600
Speaker 3: To counter the Fox narratives here that's actually.

1235
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Speaker 4: Should be to Fox. We should call Fox. That call.

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Speaker 1: That sound like it could be a big bobble song.

1237
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:20,640
Speaker 1: I feel that's about this. Don't still our idea if

1238
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Speaker 1: y'all make that song, y'all.

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01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:24,040
Speaker 4: But you got it? What's your mumbo rap gonna be? Tip?

1240
01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:25,360
Speaker 4: What's your mumbo rap gonna sound like?

1241
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:28,120
Speaker 1: I gotta work on it. I'm not a good freestyler.

1242
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:30,400
Speaker 4: It's a mumble rap. So you ain't got a thing

1243
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:30,760
Speaker 4: too art.

1244
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:42,360
Speaker 6: It's gonna be like, what are you saying?

1245
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:44,400
Speaker 1: Make that money for the rip?

1246
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:49,720
Speaker 3: Hey? They got it's I'm wrong with us.

1247
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:52,200
Speaker 1: I blame it on the New York Traffic Today. I

1248
01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:57,000
Speaker 1: just brig get that info, then leave and does how

1249
01:06:57,080 --> 01:07:08,200
Speaker 1: to make see I'm talking about No, I was in

1250
01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:10,520
Speaker 1: the car. We were listening anyway she was.

1251
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:14,120
Speaker 3: She was definitely checking messages because.

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Speaker 1: Well, because Andrew said, gone away to hell, I'm about

1253
01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:19,520
Speaker 1: to go with my call to action. I'll be quick.

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Speaker 4: I'm not. You should make them go after that.

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01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:28,360
Speaker 1: Uh, this is my call to action, aside from y'all

1256
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:30,600
Speaker 1: still not using your headphones when you're public. There're driving

1257
01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:32,440
Speaker 1: me crazy. I don't want to hear a conversation. But

1258
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:35,000
Speaker 1: this is the real call to action. For every single

1259
01:07:35,080 --> 01:07:38,960
Speaker 1: time that you say, that's not my problem, I'm minding

1260
01:07:39,040 --> 01:07:41,840
Speaker 1: my business. When you say, well, they voted for him,

1261
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:45,680
Speaker 1: so shoulder shrug, I would just ask, please don't consume

1262
01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:50,400
Speaker 1: the spoon fed media narrative. That is a lie. Every

1263
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:54,840
Speaker 1: community of color voted overwhelmingly for Kamala Harris. You can

1264
01:07:55,240 --> 01:08:00,320
Speaker 1: take a look and disaggregate the data for yourself. Us

1265
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:02,840
Speaker 1: try to have I want to encourage people try to

1266
01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:06,000
Speaker 1: have some curiosity and not just take things that are

1267
01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:10,360
Speaker 1: being fed to us, because that is with intention. They

1268
01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:13,080
Speaker 1: can sit back and laugh while all the black and

1269
01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:15,919
Speaker 1: brown folks are fighting with each other and they are

1270
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:19,600
Speaker 1: depending on apathy to keep If you're waiting for some

1271
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:22,880
Speaker 1: imaginary line for this fight to come to your door,

1272
01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:26,320
Speaker 1: that line has been crossed. And this fight has to

1273
01:08:26,360 --> 01:08:28,799
Speaker 1: be all of ours. At fourteen percent of the population,

1274
01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:30,920
Speaker 1: we can't win it on our own. So I would

1275
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:33,479
Speaker 1: just ask us to reach deep into our humanity and

1276
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:36,560
Speaker 1: get into this fight. That's my CTA.

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Speaker 6: I love it. Who nicks Okay, I will go. Mine

1278
01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:44,479
Speaker 6: is more of a testimony, and it's a testament to

1279
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:46,519
Speaker 6: this show. And had I thought better about it, I

1280
01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:48,479
Speaker 6: probably would have ran the clip back. But we had

1281
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Speaker 6: a young man named Jaya who's sent in a question

1282
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:57,679
Speaker 6: about how to get involved after feeling hopeless in this moment.

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01:08:58,280 --> 01:09:04,000
Speaker 6: And when I tell y'all, Jaia ran so much of

1284
01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:08,400
Speaker 6: the Newark State of the People Power Tour event. He

1285
01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:13,880
Speaker 6: was the rally stage lead. He was tremendous, and he

1286
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:17,559
Speaker 6: turned around on that stage yesterday and said, Angela, this

1287
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:21,519
Speaker 6: is because you told me to get involved. And I

1288
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:26,240
Speaker 6: am like, this is how it's done, like one mind

1289
01:09:26,360 --> 01:09:29,719
Speaker 6: at a time, and that one mind being changed touched

1290
01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:34,280
Speaker 6: hundreds of lives yesterday in Newark. So Jaia, I'm shouting

1291
01:09:34,320 --> 01:09:36,799
Speaker 6: you out and all of the Jayas that have felt

1292
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Speaker 6: that but didn't send in your question.

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Speaker 4: We still will receive your questions.

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Speaker 6: I just want you all to know we see you,

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Speaker 6: We thank God for you, and it takes young people

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Speaker 6: like you to really make the difference.

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Speaker 3: You're here. He was like, put me in, coach.

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Speaker 6: He was no, he didn't even wait to be put in.

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Speaker 6: He was just like, I'm drafted. What's good, I'm going,

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Speaker 6: let's go.

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Speaker 3: He showed up.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well mine specific to person. Now, you said I heard.

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Speaker 4: You, Well, you said I heard I.

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Speaker 3: Heard that host, host, host, the the T, the S

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Speaker 3: and T silent. Well, bitch, that's a whole word. Excuse

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Speaker 3: me for the production break production, We gotta go. All right,

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Speaker 3: today as he celebrates with a broken arm. And on Monday.

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Speaker 3: This upcoming Monday, my twins will turn eleven.

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Speaker 1: Happy Birthday, amazing.

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