Speaker 1: And money. We all take valiche. We are the authority
Speaker 1: on all things R and ladies and gentleman. My name
Speaker 1: is Tank, I'm Valentine and this is the arm by
Speaker 1: Money podcast, the authority on all things R and B,
Speaker 1: all things Jake, We get into the crevices, into the
Speaker 1: n green, into the business. Sometimes you gotta get into
Speaker 1: the business. Don't just want to sing, you wanna dance around,
Speaker 1: Take shirt off, pull on yourself. You don't know about
Speaker 1: the business. Talking to yourself, that's business. Now. We got
Speaker 1: a man here and knows the business, executive manager, amongst
Speaker 1: other things. We're gonna get into. Give it up for brother,
Speaker 1: questionable basketball game. He's just he's just told me that's
Speaker 1: better than me. Give it if even. Thank y'all man,
Speaker 1: thank for having me on man. Thanks of course, man,
Speaker 1: thank you for bringing us uh the business. Now I'm
Speaker 1: here man. I've always rocked with y'all, like ever since
Speaker 1: we came into this game, you've always showed love. So
Speaker 1: I'm here, man, like you know, whatever y'all need for me.
Speaker 1: J Him was like we got even talent, said, because
Speaker 1: we got to talk about we gotta talk about, you know,
Speaker 1: the driving force, the undercurrent behind the behind the scenes,
Speaker 1: you know, because people are always you know, throwing out
Speaker 1: um statements based on kind of emotion in a sense
Speaker 1: within what they feel about where music is or how
Speaker 1: music is, and they don't understand the inner workings of
Speaker 1: how music he even gets there, goes into it, what
Speaker 1: goes into it, you know what I mean? And those
Speaker 1: starting points, and you've been um, you've been very crucial
Speaker 1: in in in in starting and breaking you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, which is which is hard to difficult to do.
Speaker 1: So we are your brothers. We are here too, ask
Speaker 1: the questions and even shoot learn something. Yeah, yeah, for
Speaker 1: all the hard work. Appreciate you for sure. I mean
Speaker 1: yeah you I mean you've seen it. You've seen it,
Speaker 1: like especially the amount of times the game has changed,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like with technology, so it's
Speaker 1: like having to learn new ways every time to try
Speaker 1: to like really give the artist the best chance possible
Speaker 1: to get in front of people, because at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, a lot of times it's out of
Speaker 1: our control. Rund. You could do everything. Sometimes it works,
Speaker 1: sometimes it doesn't a lot of times too. It's like
Speaker 1: you know, I always say, it starts and ends with
Speaker 1: the artists. We just kind of try to help and
Speaker 1: like get it to the right place and just get
Speaker 1: the most out of it. But yeah, the way music
Speaker 1: has changed since we came in and said, y'all came in,
Speaker 1: it's like you gotta adapt every time. So it's definitely
Speaker 1: it gets tougher and tougher as you go. But you know,
Speaker 1: when you love something, you're gonna figure it out, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Let's do this. We we we
Speaker 1: we like the origin. Let's start from beginning, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like, what is your origin into this space?
Speaker 1: Where did it start for you? Man? I never I
Speaker 1: never thought I would like work in the music industry,
Speaker 1: Like it wasn't a plan. Um I was. My parents
Speaker 1: are from Sudan, so like I was, I was born
Speaker 1: in friends, you know, like my dad he worked for
Speaker 1: the un So we moved around a lot as kids.
Speaker 1: So by the time he said, yeah me too. You
Speaker 1: know you got a little past brom you would enjoy
Speaker 1: you down the time so French like out French bro.
Speaker 1: I was like going into go to pro you would
Speaker 1: you would enjoy just seeing like the life's down. But
Speaker 1: so we moved around a lot as um as kids,
Speaker 1: and I moved to Queens when I was like ten,
Speaker 1: and for me, from France to first I went from
Speaker 1: just to go back. We we lived in in France
Speaker 1: in Paris, then we moved to Qatar for a few years.
Speaker 1: My dad was stationed there like running the UNESCO office,
Speaker 1: and then we came back to France for a couple
Speaker 1: of years, then moved to Queens. So you can imagine
Speaker 1: for me, like the good thing is all the years
Speaker 1: I was taking English and I was going to like
Speaker 1: English speaking schools. Yeah, well, Pops was kind of like
Speaker 1: he was running UNESCO, so he was kind of moving
Speaker 1: where where you know, it's like, you know, you gotta
Speaker 1: go run that office over there and be the director whatever.
Speaker 1: So when he came to when he came to New York,
Speaker 1: I remember not wanting to go because you know, at
Speaker 1: this point, like you're like nine, ten, you got your friends.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, I want to go to New York
Speaker 1: for like and then. But but I think coming through
Speaker 1: at that age was was ill because you get thrown
Speaker 1: to the belly of the beasts. I had to just quit.
Speaker 1: It's like, Okay, these nigs gonna give a funk who
Speaker 1: I am? Sure queens like literally exactly and then but
Speaker 1: you know, but yeah, but but the things that I
Speaker 1: guess helped me a dab was because I played sports.
Speaker 1: So I'll played ball and it's like, even though the
Speaker 1: language barriers there, you get on that court, it's over
Speaker 1: like you eithern nice and you're not. You know, I
Speaker 1: got the boy from exactly whatever it was. I got
Speaker 1: that guy whatever whatever they wanted to call me, um,
Speaker 1: And then I quickly learned how to play like football
Speaker 1: on the yard because I play soccer growing up. I
Speaker 1: don't understand for I played basketball mainly. But but then
Speaker 1: I watched the game quick online. That's how y'all do it,
Speaker 1: Like it's pretty easy, you know, I was always into sports.
Speaker 1: I think that helped like bridge that that uh you know,
Speaker 1: kind of fix that language you make friends that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's very important in entertainment. I me and Tank talk
Speaker 1: about it all the time about how many guys in
Speaker 1: this business haven't played a team sport. Yeah, super dope
Speaker 1: in your uh breakfast club and if you I don't remember,
Speaker 1: I hit you. And also you know what I mean
Speaker 1: because also I'm I'm one of five kids, right, so
Speaker 1: like but but finish your point but just being able
Speaker 1: to share and being and being of service at times. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: And I think we we have that in in industry
Speaker 1: entertainment period where it's like, you know, guys are really talented,
Speaker 1: but they're very much to themselves, so they don't know
Speaker 1: how to build with each other, share with each other.
Speaker 1: And like you said, you came from a whole another country,
Speaker 1: but the sport in itself, I'm sure it brought your
Speaker 1: friends for sure everything when I got you and and
Speaker 1: um and I saw. I think to that point is
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of people in the music
Speaker 1: industry that haven't necessarily like lived before they got in
Speaker 1: the industry, like they first experienced of like didn't have
Speaker 1: they weren't out, they weren't out and around with like
Speaker 1: like you know what I mean, like the niggas and
Speaker 1: and just doing whatever. So it's like that's another point.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think another big thing was I was
Speaker 1: I was one of five. I had older sister to
Speaker 1: older brothers and my younger brother was Boss was signed
Speaker 1: to us. But um, my older sister and my to
Speaker 1: older brothers. That's why I picked up the music from
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like my brother DJ MoMA
Speaker 1: who's a huge DJ. You know he does the everyday
Speaker 1: people party that says ship like. He was a rapper
Speaker 1: first and then turned into a DJ like and he
Speaker 1: would literally ever since I was young, would go and
Speaker 1: buy every album that came out on Tuesday. And I
Speaker 1: was like rap or R and B. So now you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like that taught me a lot,
Speaker 1: I be. I was like a huge, huge jodicie fan.
Speaker 1: That was like the first thing. I was like a fanatic.
Speaker 1: Oh you know what I mean, And I feel like perfect, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like I felt I fell in love with
Speaker 1: R and B like first, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: because as a kid, like I love those emotions. Those
Speaker 1: are like the first things you probably relate to before
Speaker 1: you understand. Uh, NAS was the first like rap out
Speaker 1: my boy, which was it was rated so so at
Speaker 1: that time, I think that was kind of building mind,
Speaker 1: you know, between sports and music. That's how you make
Speaker 1: your friends. I remember going to school having it was
Speaker 1: rained and uh, one of my closest friends till this day,
Speaker 1: my boy Antoine. Um, he he's like all every boy
Speaker 1: that and he's like, uh, who's anting? I don't know
Speaker 1: if you know he's a writer, he's an actor, but
Speaker 1: he works with j D a lot. But um, and
Speaker 1: I remember him bringing it back to me scratched up,
Speaker 1: me being all angry, like because that's how that CD
Speaker 1: is so im boring. But you know what I realized
Speaker 1: is like the ability to like put someone on the
Speaker 1: music was so dope to me, like, yo, you don't
Speaker 1: know about this, Oh, let me put you on. Like
Speaker 1: so those are like the two things I fell in
Speaker 1: love with young, which was music and and obviously basketball
Speaker 1: and sports and um. But it was no idea that
Speaker 1: I was gonna like work in music. It was just like,
Speaker 1: obviously you were you were a lot younger, but were
Speaker 1: how was the music for you before you came to
Speaker 1: America or do you remember even that time it was
Speaker 1: still it was still the same because my brother was
Speaker 1: still same CD. No, he was just in love, I
Speaker 1: mean even over there, in love with this culture, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? So so like I remember my
Speaker 1: brother buying U, um, what do you call it? Um?
Speaker 1: What was was was the the comedy off Minutes of Society,
Speaker 1: uh said the comedy like they did like the flip
Speaker 1: on minutes? What was it with the Yeah? But I
Speaker 1: remember that soundtrack being a fire they had. They had
Speaker 1: they had like a I Wotan record on it. They
Speaker 1: had a Joe to See record on that. If I
Speaker 1: remember correctly, I remember as a kid he would buy
Speaker 1: those and I was just look in his like drawer,
Speaker 1: he had all the CD stacked up, and I just like,
Speaker 1: even then, that's what we were, you know, listening to that.
Speaker 1: We was watching NBA games. You know, my brothers were
Speaker 1: like at three in the morning at that time. So
Speaker 1: it's like it wasn't too different, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like I remember growing up listening to French music,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like I don't remember that,
Speaker 1: like so so it was still like a love of
Speaker 1: of the culture even before I got here, Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: So it wasn't like somebody just flat out being like,
Speaker 1: yeah you never heard of you already knew the artists
Speaker 1: and everybody said, yeah, I had a different idea, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean different because when a kid. I
Speaker 1: remember when I was a kid, I always tell my friends,
Speaker 1: I used to think, like when I get to America,
Speaker 1: like if I seen an ice cube in the street,
Speaker 1: he was gonna beat my you know what, I thought?
Speaker 1: Ice cube was was murdering people every weekend, justus for fun.
Speaker 1: I'm like that, don't about to go to American run
Speaker 1: into this. Think about the ice Cube had it. He
Speaker 1: had the persona down to eight. Yeah, and he's one
Speaker 1: of the greatest story tellers of all time. It was
Speaker 1: so visual. That's how good it was that I believed it.
Speaker 1: I couldn't listen to him, that's how good he was.
Speaker 1: You can't listen to him. Some there's a thug, he's
Speaker 1: a goon. Now I'll be sneaking on the box on
Speaker 1: the video channel trying to For me, it was such
Speaker 1: a trip because I realized that I'm thinking that these
Speaker 1: guys are the coldest gangsters and criminals of all time.
Speaker 1: And I'm literally living in the house. But you don't
Speaker 1: realize that as a kid, just like, man, y'all, y'all crazy,
Speaker 1: but y'all ain't ice cutetute. Then you get older and realize, oh,
Speaker 1: yeall was so cute. Can't nobody my family do? Are
Speaker 1: we there yet? Remember? I remember playing basketball against ice Cube. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was so nice, like he was like the nicest,
Speaker 1: Like he was like, hey Tank, now, like you know,
Speaker 1: like I like you stuff. That's it. I mean you
Speaker 1: don't want to fight me. That's probably one of the
Speaker 1: greatest story and like history to go from like that
Speaker 1: to this, and it's an impossible story. Now, yeah, you
Speaker 1: can't be ice Cube. You can't just be it though
Speaker 1: this stuff like someone who Now they all on your
Speaker 1: background and you can you can attest to that because
Speaker 1: you're in that space heavenly where it's like we all
Speaker 1: know how it goes. Bro, Like, I've literally been introduced
Speaker 1: to certain artists by somebody telling me their crimes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's real how deep they are into this or that.
Speaker 1: And the words you had to do with wrap had
Speaker 1: to be great at it because nobody was actually going
Speaker 1: to your actual block to do the research, to do
Speaker 1: the research of how much work you've put in in
Speaker 1: the streets in which you survived in the streets for sure.
Speaker 1: Byby it'd be a little white dudes waiting outside of
Speaker 1: the jail for the artist to come out. It's it's crazy, bro.
Speaker 1: I see you looked away because you know exactly what
Speaker 1: I'm talking about. You know what I mean, And listen,
Speaker 1: this is it's actually a problem, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's a big problem. But you know what happened though,
Speaker 1: is that reality took over? Right? And I say that,
Speaker 1: whether it be reality TV or whatever it is, whether
Speaker 1: it be social media, people wanted to know what they
Speaker 1: were really buying into. They wanted to get past the
Speaker 1: music and see the essence of an individual. That's what reality,
Speaker 1: this reality thing turned into. So when you start rapping
Speaker 1: about a thing, a murder or or whatever it is
Speaker 1: that they want to know like, yeah, okay, the song
Speaker 1: is cool, tell me about the murder though, and not
Speaker 1: going to help you sell your records. Tricky, so tricky man,
Speaker 1: How how do you deal with that in your space
Speaker 1: of of you know what you what you signed because
Speaker 1: you you guys have been able to carve out a
Speaker 1: space and time like right now where hip hop is
Speaker 1: very violent, yeah, and that's not what you are based
Speaker 1: on and that's not what you are built on. And
Speaker 1: you've been able to bring forth really powerful acts in
Speaker 1: this in a time where this does not really truly exist. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think what it is is like I
Speaker 1: never I noticed, as it sounds a little crazy, but
Speaker 1: I never actually got into this for like monetary reasons,
Speaker 1: Like of course I wanted to make money, but that
Speaker 1: was never like my thing I'd even understand the business
Speaker 1: of music at first, so like even like growing up,
Speaker 1: even the way I made Cold, it was like it
Speaker 1: was literally like I knew Cold, Like that's my dog
Speaker 1: from school again. We're going out, we're going to home comings,
Speaker 1: we're doing whatever. But then I find out he raps,
Speaker 1: and then it becomes like, oh, you actually, like, are
Speaker 1: really incredible. Let me just it became the same thing
Speaker 1: given the c D away to my friend. It became
Speaker 1: trying to put people on to ship I actually liked.
Speaker 1: So when you get in a position of like having
Speaker 1: a label, it's kind of the same thing. And you know,
Speaker 1: with with me and Cole and and our partner Adam,
Speaker 1: we just looked at it like, yo, we're only really
Speaker 1: gonna sign things we're really fans of that connect with us.
Speaker 1: Because I always always tell artists like I'm me artists
Speaker 1: outside of the show, like yo, can I rap for you?
Speaker 1: And I'll be like, look, you can have the best.
Speaker 1: You can put words together better than anyone else. Like
Speaker 1: if they don't connect with me, like, there's nothing I
Speaker 1: can do about it, and I'm not gonna get that
Speaker 1: connection necessarily from you spend sixteen like a lot of
Speaker 1: times you never know when that connection is gonna come.
Speaker 1: So so what it was is we had this platform
Speaker 1: and it's like if something connected with us, it was like, yo,
Speaker 1: let's try to give it his best chance to see
Speaker 1: if it's gonna connect with everyone else, because we can
Speaker 1: probably stand behind it, like you know, we can. We
Speaker 1: can say like, yo, we're fans of this and we
Speaker 1: feel like you should too if if you like what
Speaker 1: we like, you know what I mean. So it wasn't
Speaker 1: like that deeply thought of you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like like Boss is my brother. Boss was the first
Speaker 1: person we actually signed to uh to dream Heal. And
Speaker 1: even that I feel like made it tough on them
Speaker 1: in the sense I was like, well, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: sign my brother first, like because because he wasn't rapping.
Speaker 1: That's the whole thing. He wasn't really a rapper. Like
Speaker 1: he had some ship go down in the streets. He
Speaker 1: was like, all right, I gotta back out. He was
Speaker 1: always a small kid, started pointing word together and I
Speaker 1: remember him sending me and Colson. He was like, oh,
Speaker 1: sneaking nice. If he keeps going at it, if he
Speaker 1: is better, he might turn it too. And we watched
Speaker 1: him get better and better than it was, like, all right,
Speaker 1: this is a good representation of who we are, Like
Speaker 1: he's coming from you know, he's like like minded people,
Speaker 1: as would always say, like, we signed a lot of
Speaker 1: like minded people, you know what I mean. So so
Speaker 1: for me, it was like if I if I if
Speaker 1: I'm a fan of it, and I feel like, damn it,
Speaker 1: it hits me, it connects with me. Let me try
Speaker 1: to give you a platform that hopefully is going to
Speaker 1: connect with other people and that could lead you to
Speaker 1: you know, start him, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: really more important to start him to me was always
Speaker 1: having a career. I want to make sure you can
Speaker 1: make a living off of this, you know, for as
Speaker 1: long as you want to. Like so you're not going
Speaker 1: to sign a little death murder kill it. But guess what.
Speaker 1: Guess what, Like I can listen to Kodak Black and
Speaker 1: be like I can listen to call that Black. No no,
Speaker 1: no no, because not but Kodak Blank is one of
Speaker 1: my favorite rapp and you know why, It's because it's honesty.
Speaker 1: It's it's a real portrayal of his life. So my
Speaker 1: thing is not that you can't be in street ship.
Speaker 1: It's it's the rappers that like glorify it that don't
Speaker 1: really live that life. I can't connect with that. I
Speaker 1: could connect with Kodak because he's telling you the goods
Speaker 1: in the band. He's telling you I don't want to
Speaker 1: do this, like, but I have to do this because
Speaker 1: this is a product. I could connect with the feeling
Speaker 1: of that, even though I don't go through that, there's
Speaker 1: an emotion there that's like, Okay, not saying I would
Speaker 1: sign a Kodak, I don't. I'm just saying, like, to me,
Speaker 1: anything that comes from a real place that's authentic, I
Speaker 1: can respect it, whether whether it's my life or not.
Speaker 1: And I feel like that's kind of what we want,
Speaker 1: is just to be able to give authentic voices a platform.
Speaker 1: And I know we jumped a little bit, but can
Speaker 1: you give us like that that the start? Yeah for St.
Speaker 1: John's Yeah, you and cold basketball? You know what I
Speaker 1: mean words you know and and and you're meeting your
Speaker 1: main cold not j Cole know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 1: in y'all building what y'all built with dream Bill, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that again in basketball, like you said, like
Speaker 1: I don't, I didn't. I've seen Cole around school, but
Speaker 1: so you don't know each other. Be for St. John's, No,
Speaker 1: because obviously he's from Carolina. I'm from Queen. St. John's
Speaker 1: was like ten blocks from my career, so I wasn't
Speaker 1: even gonna go to St. John's. I was like taking
Speaker 1: visits to like D twos and and ship like thinking
Speaker 1: about still hoping I wanted to go to like Georgia State,
Speaker 1: and then it was like yeah, and then it was
Speaker 1: like late. Just think if you choose to go to
Speaker 1: Georgia's State, I'm just mad. And when I got to St.
Speaker 1: John's was like I wasn't here older than cold. So
Speaker 1: he came to next year and even then it's like
Speaker 1: I know him, I see him around, but that's not
Speaker 1: like my man. And then we had this thing called
Speaker 1: common Hour in my school, which is like I think
Speaker 1: it was like around twelve thirty or twelve to like
Speaker 1: one thirty when on Tuesdays and Thursdays when no one
Speaker 1: had classes. So all the niggas that's like really hooping
Speaker 1: that's not on the team or maybe like the walk
Speaker 1: ons on the team. They meet in the gym and
Speaker 1: we have open runs. So so me and Cole that
Speaker 1: was kind of like my rival because we both tall
Speaker 1: guards like we was that that was our game. I'm like,
Speaker 1: don't with this nigga. And then um, but but my
Speaker 1: best friend growing up, my man Tad, he really who
Speaker 1: too with me, Like we all grew up hooping like
Speaker 1: a ship and he, um, he will come to the
Speaker 1: gym and he got cool with Cole. And then eventually
Speaker 1: by like Cole's maybe like junior or something, we started
Speaker 1: getting cool. Like we would go to the city. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I would seeing I would see him and I'd be
Speaker 1: like yo, you know what I mean. But but at
Speaker 1: some point we started like Lincoln, we would go to
Speaker 1: the city, you know, drink just being homiest there that
Speaker 1: I don't I know him, but I don't know him
Speaker 1: as much and he's I think Cole knew him more.
Speaker 1: And then I got cool with Matt too, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, because we called him Calie Matt because
Speaker 1: he was like he was like the only nigga from
Speaker 1: l A and California. Yeah, and he was really probably
Speaker 1: the first thing that got met that was like I'm
Speaker 1: gonna work in the music in this, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Like I think so from what I remember,
Speaker 1: because he was like plugged in with like I think
Speaker 1: it was like Diddy into like Daddy's house, the engineer Matt,
Speaker 1: I think, what's his name, like, so he would have
Speaker 1: those relationships he was thinking about it earlier. I was
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, you know him and probably this dude Aristotle, remember,
Speaker 1: but yeah, with Cold it was like that was just
Speaker 1: the homie. And then one day I got in his
Speaker 1: car and he had like one of his freestyles over
Speaker 1: like Grammy Family playing, and I'm like, yo, fun. I
Speaker 1: heard him rap once at like a school talent show,
Speaker 1: and I was like like, just like once he was
Speaker 1: like a host, I think because he was like the
Speaker 1: head of the Black student Union or something like you
Speaker 1: know likes yeah, and and by the way, like the
Speaker 1: black student you know, our school was like lit like
Speaker 1: it was like you wanted to be at that meeting,
Speaker 1: like they do the best parties the concept at the
Speaker 1: end of the year, and I think he was hosting
Speaker 1: one of them and he did a free style and
Speaker 1: I remember being like, oh, that's a witty lion, like
Speaker 1: this got a correct but I didn't think of it
Speaker 1: because I was just a fan of rap. But when
Speaker 1: I heard that, I was like, yo, who's there? He's
Speaker 1: about to turn it off. I'm like, well, you like
Speaker 1: really rap rap, and he was like, oh yeah, that's
Speaker 1: why i came out to New York for. But I'm
Speaker 1: not one of those niggas that's gonna just tell niggas.
Speaker 1: I wrapped like that ship corny, like I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: signed and then niggas gonna see And I was like,
Speaker 1: irised is rapping. Yeah, I'm like I feel that, but
Speaker 1: I don't know if it works like that. I don't
Speaker 1: know much about but I don't know if you cause
Speaker 1: just show but but um, but even then, it wasn't
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna man age you. We're gonna none of that.
Speaker 1: It was more like damn, like I really as a
Speaker 1: fan of music, these words connect with me. I think
Speaker 1: that's one thing I understood from early on. It's like
Speaker 1: the emotional connection with music to me, which is always
Speaker 1: the most important thing, which is why I love on
Speaker 1: and be like you feel that connection. But but but
Speaker 1: then it was just more like back to like being
Speaker 1: a kid of going to your friends and being like yo,
Speaker 1: check out, check this out and like who's this, Like yeah,
Speaker 1: that's Jermaine, Like oh light skin Jermin't really rapped, like
Speaker 1: it was a strike to be able to put niggas
Speaker 1: own ship. So that's kind of what I was doing.
Speaker 1: And I think as I was doing that, he just
Speaker 1: started trust in my ear because that's really all work relationship,
Speaker 1: Like I'm his manager, but like all work relate ship
Speaker 1: was really like we spent years and years like putting
Speaker 1: projects together like he would he would trust me to
Speaker 1: be like yo, remember that verse you had on that beat,
Speaker 1: Like you should try it on this beat, but like,
Speaker 1: oh God out there, Like that's kind of like when
Speaker 1: my love really came in. As the years grew and
Speaker 1: I was working with him, it kind of allowed me
Speaker 1: to gain my confidence on how to like, um, you know,
Speaker 1: communicate with artists and producers on like how can this
Speaker 1: can be better? You know without without exactly without being
Speaker 1: like this trash like nigga, who are you to tell
Speaker 1: me that trade? You should make the music? Like so
Speaker 1: I understood that, and I think he he trusted that,
Speaker 1: and he don't trust a lot of people. So so
Speaker 1: we just kept going to the studio and building and
Speaker 1: it was just fun, like it was mad fun, like
Speaker 1: just he would make songs and send it to me
Speaker 1: and I'll be like, damn, this is fine, Like you know,
Speaker 1: he enjoyed. He enjoyed getting that air and their feedback.
Speaker 1: And then I was like, yo, we should do a mixtape.
Speaker 1: So we did, like to come up mixape, just kind
Speaker 1: of put it together like you know, try like went
Speaker 1: to A and T and was selling it at home coming. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we pressed them up with whatever little money we had
Speaker 1: together because at this point too, like he's now graduated
Speaker 1: that he's dead broke because his whomates moved out, so
Speaker 1: he's staying in Queens and he's like he's dimned that
Speaker 1: begging his landlord like y'all gonna pay you back, like
Speaker 1: his landlord with the man he laying money pile up.
Speaker 1: And during that time co would literally have like he
Speaker 1: honestly just had money for one meal a day and
Speaker 1: he used to time his meal for like five pm
Speaker 1: because he's like that. So he was just saying home,
Speaker 1: make beach whatever, and like and I would come home.
Speaker 1: My pops were still like holding me down with Brad.
Speaker 1: I didn't really have a job. So I'll make sure
Speaker 1: he good, you know what I mean. We'll split the sandwich,
Speaker 1: keep it moving. So we would find money to press
Speaker 1: the CDs up and Uh, his best friend r J
Speaker 1: went to Uh he used to go to North Carolina
Speaker 1: at that went to U n CG. So he he
Speaker 1: co went to North Carolina anti home coming every year
Speaker 1: like in North Carolina that ship that's religious, like you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like, So I went with him
Speaker 1: one year and and and we had to come up.
Speaker 1: We pressed it up and and the whole thing was
Speaker 1: like that was our sales pitch was like, Yo, if
Speaker 1: I try to sell you this for five dollars, you're
Speaker 1: not gonna buy it. If I give it to you
Speaker 1: for free, you're just gonna throw it away. Just give
Speaker 1: me a dollar at least. I know if you give
Speaker 1: me a dollar, you gonna listen to one song that
Speaker 1: was kind of a whole a whole dollar in the
Speaker 1: dream thing. That's how it started. So we was like
Speaker 1: on the strip trying to sell ship for a dollar
Speaker 1: and uh, and girls will be like and it was
Speaker 1: fun because it's like you're talking to girls. You're talking
Speaker 1: to these niggas like trying to convince him because it'll
Speaker 1: be like, how do I know he could rap? I'm like, yo,
Speaker 1: come overhead me him. Mike, the same nigga is you
Speaker 1: know now, like he'll rap for you right now. He
Speaker 1: started rapping it, but like, oh he nice, he's five dollars,
Speaker 1: Like it was fun, Like every we found fun and everything,
Speaker 1: even though niggas was broke in not knowing where it
Speaker 1: was gonna end up twenty two, I'm like, I'm probably
Speaker 1: like twenty three. He's probably around now because he had
Speaker 1: just graduated. Um, I didn't finish school, but I had.
Speaker 1: I was already out of school, and I was I'm
Speaker 1: gonna year older than him. So it was around that age, Um,
Speaker 1: you know, young enough and we can still go to
Speaker 1: home coming and not looking like the creeps, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So so it was cool and m
Speaker 1: and then you know, we just kept going from there.
Speaker 1: That's kind of how the music relationships store. Even then,
Speaker 1: I didn't think I was gonna like work in music
Speaker 1: because I had no everyone I know that that's in
Speaker 1: the music industry had like an internship at the label
Speaker 1: or like you know, kind of came up under someone.
Speaker 1: I was just like, I'm just here to help my nigger,
Speaker 1: Like I just want to see you win. So what
Speaker 1: you've been from Queens though, was ch in hip hop. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we can go down of how many amazing artists have
Speaker 1: come out of Queens. You knew none of these people though, No,
Speaker 1: not one. Queen's bich know, nobody's manager, nobody's I knew
Speaker 1: Irv Gott So remember I told you when I graduated
Speaker 1: high school, my my high school team coming up, it
Speaker 1: was like it was like the second best league in
Speaker 1: like America. At that time. We were like towards the
Speaker 1: bottom of the league. But I was right saying, Raymond's
Speaker 1: Cross the kid. You know, I played at Holy Cross.
Speaker 1: So like when I graduated, I went back and was
Speaker 1: like assistant coaching for the team. And our point guard
Speaker 1: who played with Blaze Blaze French my Dog and um
Speaker 1: Sylvan Landisburg. They don't want that like got us. Our
Speaker 1: first city Chip point guard was IRV Gotti's nephew, so
Speaker 1: they came to every game, Irving Chris. They came to
Speaker 1: every game so I would see them. I even gave
Speaker 1: I think I think it was Chris Gotty that I
Speaker 1: gave a CD two of Colds like to come up
Speaker 1: when we was just trying. So like that's like the
Speaker 1: only thing I had seen I had seen like growing
Speaker 1: up are when I was in high school, our star player.
Speaker 1: He's from south Side, so like, yeah, yo, thanks. Then
Speaker 1: used to come to the game and it would see
Speaker 1: me on the av and be like, oh, number twenty
Speaker 1: two was good like that. It was just like I
Speaker 1: seen him from Afar. But I didn't know your Queens
Speaker 1: is huge, you know what I mean. Like Queens, I
Speaker 1: remember seeing something like if it was a city, would
Speaker 1: be the seventh most populated city in America. You know,
Speaker 1: like these boroughs got like two million people in them,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So it's like when I'm
Speaker 1: from it's like you know people through basketball, but I
Speaker 1: didn't really know, Like I didn't know fifty in them.
Speaker 1: I didn't know NAS's team, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: NASA is in Queens birth. That ship is so far
Speaker 1: from where I'm at, you know what I mean. It's
Speaker 1: like it's like a different world, damn there. So so no,
Speaker 1: I didn't know anyone um. The closest I would see
Speaker 1: it was maybe like stack Bundles and like the deather
Speaker 1: Storm dudes, because I grew up like really loving that
Speaker 1: era of music. But I didn't know nobody, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So you have nothing at this point,
Speaker 1: Like you said, you have no sights on being in
Speaker 1: the music business. Even though you out there it's just
Speaker 1: you and your guys slanging mixtapes, You're still not like
Speaker 1: I'm going I'm on the label, I'm about to be No.
Speaker 1: What it was was just like it's what you was
Speaker 1: talking about, what I was saying. I connected with that.
Speaker 1: It's like I just want to see him when I understood,
Speaker 1: like how can I help you get to what you're
Speaker 1: supposed to get? And I found joying that, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like I didn't care. I knew that
Speaker 1: if I did those things, like I would be rewarded somehow,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like like I would be
Speaker 1: taking care of if I really put my my thoughts
Speaker 1: into something, and you know, like that's like it's not selfish,
Speaker 1: like you know what I mean. For me, it was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I see what you're trying to get. If I can help,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to help. That was like the basis
Speaker 1: of it, Like if I get help, I'm trying to
Speaker 1: You didn't have a blueprint, you didn't have a way in,
Speaker 1: nobody knew where to go. We we're gonna sell these
Speaker 1: thanks for a dollar. See what happened and eventually Cold
Speaker 1: was like I think it was cold and would be like, Yo,
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna do label, like once we get on,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, because because at that point
Speaker 1: it's like we grew up, you know, rocket fill of love,
Speaker 1: bad boys, so like that's just what you do and
Speaker 1: you get on and you started label. Are you feeling
Speaker 1: any of the African pressure? You gotta go be a doctor?
Speaker 1: I always get that. I always my best friend. I
Speaker 1: always get my dad, some my mom a lot of
Speaker 1: props because they never really forced like those weights, like
Speaker 1: they will be disappointing, like yo, what are you doing
Speaker 1: with your life? But like I'm gonna trust you, but
Speaker 1: I don't really know if this is gonna work, but
Speaker 1: I'm gonna trust you. It was never like you have
Speaker 1: to do this like you have to. Of course, I'm
Speaker 1: sure it was disappointed when I didn't finish school, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, or like when I tell them
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna be doing this. But they also knew
Speaker 1: Cold Cold used to be in my crib, so they
Speaker 1: know that this is a good it's a good kid.
Speaker 1: It's not like some dumb ship. But um, it's funny
Speaker 1: because I remember you were at the garden one year
Speaker 1: I Boss was opening up. It was either the theater
Speaker 1: or the actual arena, and my dad was like he
Speaker 1: came to the show and he told us, man that
Speaker 1: did they grow up? Was like, I guess you'll was right,
Speaker 1: was right, but he never It was never the feeling
Speaker 1: of like you have to do that. It was kind
Speaker 1: of like, I don't think you should be doing what
Speaker 1: you're doing, but like you don't have to pick your
Speaker 1: own destiny kind of thing. And I think that gave
Speaker 1: me enough of a leeway to be like, you know,
Speaker 1: let me try this out, um, but that that pressure
Speaker 1: is definitely there. Did you have that, because you know,
Speaker 1: my my my father wanted me and music very very
Speaker 1: It wasn't like, oh if I don't if I do music,
Speaker 1: y'all think I'm crazy, Like did that happen for you?
Speaker 1: My pressure was church. You're from like a church from
Speaker 1: from church. So my pressure was just whatever I do
Speaker 1: to be in church, you know, whatever you want to do,
Speaker 1: whatever you want to come back to the church. But
Speaker 1: I see, I'm so you know, venturing out into r
Speaker 1: and b land, you know, even going back and saying
Speaker 1: saying the sports in the sports world like my parents
Speaker 1: first generation everything, you know what I mean. So my
Speaker 1: parents were just very like you know, you playing basketball, okay,
Speaker 1: good luck with that. Playing football? Cool, good luck with that.
Speaker 1: Like my parents didn't come up. No, I think my
Speaker 1: parents senior night where you gotta like show up with
Speaker 1: your parents. My parents, it's not like you said, that's
Speaker 1: not there, that's not their culture, it's not where they're from.
Speaker 1: I broke my collarbone. When the day I broke my
Speaker 1: collarbone in football, my father was at that game, right,
Speaker 1: So father comes out of the feelings that you think
Speaker 1: it's broke, I don't know what. Probably let's get you
Speaker 1: into the hospital, like very matter of fact, that's what
Speaker 1: it is. Like what else you want me to tell you?
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna fix it. I So, you know, when
Speaker 1: it came to the music and things finally happens, like
Speaker 1: what you said with your father, like I think with
Speaker 1: my father, we connected more when when I accepted my
Speaker 1: responsibility of myself. You know what I'm saying, When I
Speaker 1: became a man, then my father was like, Okay, now
Speaker 1: we can have real conversations because you're a man now
Speaker 1: that you know what I'm saying. And then It's like,
Speaker 1: are you come from the household of grown men don't
Speaker 1: talk to kids? That's how I came up. I was
Speaker 1: having this conversation actually with cod was Cole got to
Speaker 1: a space where he was like, basically he got to
Speaker 1: a point at one point it was like we just
Speaker 1: wanted to ask questions. He started really like diving into
Speaker 1: asking his mom questions and his dad question and why
Speaker 1: they say, you know, trying to get an understand of everything.
Speaker 1: I remember being like, I've never really asked my dad
Speaker 1: any questions to me. It was like, you're my dad.
Speaker 1: I love you, you you take care of the kids. I
Speaker 1: respect you, but it's like we're not friends. Were like,
Speaker 1: I can have that conversation like how was it back
Speaker 1: when you was growing up? Like I don't know any
Speaker 1: of them, and my father was sit on the same
Speaker 1: couch for a whole Saturday. Exactly. Didn't I say to
Speaker 1: now that I got kids? I got kids, But but
Speaker 1: it's just like they our fathers were iron man exactly.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Like there was an actual
Speaker 1: kids table. Yeah, you know what I'm saying about my house,
Speaker 1: there was a kids like the kids did you say that?
Speaker 1: Over there? Always end up eating. It's not a small
Speaker 1: you know, yea for it too. It's just what they
Speaker 1: learned kids, and like the adults, you didn't. We wasn't
Speaker 1: an adult conversation. But like I said, again, with us
Speaker 1: being first generation everything, once I finally became a man,
Speaker 1: then it became okay, now we can build, and now
Speaker 1: I can ask your questions. Like I remember one time
Speaker 1: my father like, so, how's your publishing treaty? I said, Dad,
Speaker 1: that's not your publishing publishings. Yeah, yeah, how's your publishing.
Speaker 1: They talked, they talked to you, tell you anything, but
Speaker 1: but I appreciate you. Yeah, publicIt, public publishing, published. And
Speaker 1: my grandmother being a pastor. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You know you you expect certain blowback. When my grandmother
Speaker 1: was just like, that's my grandson. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I'm so proud. My mama, same thing. Yeah, I see
Speaker 1: your boy, I see you doing your thing. They didn't
Speaker 1: know what it was. They just showed up on the
Speaker 1: video set the stuff blowing up, so they never got
Speaker 1: a chance to see you with genuine Yeah they did. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they got to see because I remember was on TV.
Speaker 1: We was on TV. We did the Keen and every
Speaker 1: Way and show, And that's the famous time where I
Speaker 1: licked my lips when they put the camera in a
Speaker 1: it was it was trash, right. I was still working
Speaker 1: on it, but the camera caught me. And when I
Speaker 1: got back off to and went back to the church,
Speaker 1: just all people's time about we saw you licking your lip. Yeah,
Speaker 1: past it was like we got we got derailed back.
Speaker 1: He's back from off the TV screen being provocative a man,
Speaker 1: He's back. I'm thinking of like the first time they've
Speaker 1: seen that that maybe I deserve video on one those
Speaker 1: six it was like yo, what because that was such
Speaker 1: a big moment, you know what I mean, like like
Speaker 1: everyone remembers that moment. I'm pretty sure it was kind
Speaker 1: of like oh, this church in with no shirt on
Speaker 1: this ship, like you know what? Different? It was different.
Speaker 1: It was, but like I said, from from your family,
Speaker 1: have us having a certain expectation and my family having
Speaker 1: a certain expectation. They were they were They were very
Speaker 1: lenient with how they oppressed it. I'm saying. So it
Speaker 1: wasn't like direct support of what I was doing, but
Speaker 1: they weren't fighting on it. But when you get older,
Speaker 1: you realize that point that is because if somebody fights
Speaker 1: you on it, ship probably doesn't even happen, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So yeah, that's a good as question
Speaker 1: because because it's just it's just everybody has their path
Speaker 1: and how it plays out, and which leads to my
Speaker 1: next question. Man like, and this is something that's I
Speaker 1: think it's the reason why you and I have always
Speaker 1: been so cool and so close and have an understanding
Speaker 1: with each other because I know you faced this best
Speaker 1: friend management. That's just tough, right, It's I would never
Speaker 1: trade it for anything, No, not at all. But coming
Speaker 1: up you understand it's like it's a different like you're
Speaker 1: not here, right, it's a different you are my manager.
Speaker 1: Best friend management, It's it's a different. Um it really
Speaker 1: best friend management wasn't as hard as like running the
Speaker 1: company with your friends. That was a little harder. But
Speaker 1: with Cole, I think, I think when I when I
Speaker 1: got to that manager, because I didn't really get like,
Speaker 1: became officially manager until before force it was drive. You know,
Speaker 1: he was managed by Mark Pint, But I think, what
Speaker 1: what that would Having their relationship with Cole and being
Speaker 1: so close allowed him to give me room for error,
Speaker 1: which somebody else might not you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like he allowed me to learn on the job, and
Speaker 1: I will I can get a call from like hey, nigga,
Speaker 1: you can't do this, or like hey, then you need
Speaker 1: to answer these people. I don't want them hearing me. Alright, cool,
Speaker 1: let me let me adjust, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Somebody else might have been like a bro, I got
Speaker 1: time for this ship, you out of here, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So I was honestly just having that
Speaker 1: conversation with we're all about something like you know, if
Speaker 1: if cole decided to fire me the first time he
Speaker 1: didn't like something, then I would have been out the game.
Speaker 1: When the reality is always look at it like you
Speaker 1: know when managers, I really look at it. With any
Speaker 1: relations in life, it's like, ain't nobody perfect. So if
Speaker 1: you if somebody has a lot of good traits and
Speaker 1: they have some traits you don't like, just be willing
Speaker 1: to work through that instead of being like, oh I
Speaker 1: don't like how you do this, You're you're gone, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? And I feel like having that
Speaker 1: relationship with cole Um allowed us to like allow me
Speaker 1: to be able to grow, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: and then also allowed me to be able to say
Speaker 1: things to him that maybe somebody else wouldn't be able
Speaker 1: to say, you know what I mean. So it was like,
Speaker 1: it's tough because you're you're in a position where you
Speaker 1: don't want to let your client down, but you also
Speaker 1: don't want to let you nigger down. That's a different like,
Speaker 1: that's a different perspective, but to me, it's definitely way
Speaker 1: more pluses than negative. Now, running a company with your
Speaker 1: friends is a little tougher because it's tougher to you know,
Speaker 1: like when I say run the company with with your friends,
Speaker 1: it wasn't just cold. Like Adam was Cole's roommate as
Speaker 1: freshman year. You know Derek who manages Boss, I've known
Speaker 1: since he was a kid in high school. Felton was
Speaker 1: one of the first people we met, and Industry Maddie
Speaker 1: and you know him and MK manage are Maddie I
Speaker 1: knew since he was like fourteen. You know, MK we
Speaker 1: met because she was like interning at with more pits
Speaker 1: in the wh we first. So like that dynamic is
Speaker 1: a little tougher because you really love these people, so
Speaker 1: you don't want to do anything that can you know,
Speaker 1: so accountability because of those relationships right, because in our community,
Speaker 1: which is terrible, we're talked to go outside of ourselves
Speaker 1: where we gotta go, which ultimately is self defeating because
Speaker 1: the truth of the matter is that if we do this,
Speaker 1: if we do this thing together, we're that much more
Speaker 1: powerful for sure, and we're going to hold each other down.
Speaker 1: It's something that you said earlier about how you were
Speaker 1: like man when when Cole was trying to figure out
Speaker 1: he was eating once one meal a day, that you
Speaker 1: would make sure if y'all got to split the sandwich.
Speaker 1: Me and him talk about this all the time, Like
Speaker 1: we jokingly were like, bro, we would split a happy meal. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if we had, if we had to know that's right, bro,
Speaker 1: come on to give you these six fries. And we
Speaker 1: used to we we used to want to go first
Speaker 1: of all, A big part of me and cold relationships.
Speaker 1: We both love to like go to the club, like
Speaker 1: that's really how we bond it. We used to like
Speaker 1: the New York clubs. We used to go for the
Speaker 1: free before twelve and you get like one drink before
Speaker 1: twelve and then and then we have enough money, We're
Speaker 1: about one long hall of night sea because we knew
Speaker 1: it was a short and split like yo, like yo, God,
Speaker 1: like you know you got to split a low key
Speaker 1: p yeah, but like you know, that's like it was always.
Speaker 1: That's the one thing that obviously y'all have that when
Speaker 1: you're when you're working with someone that close to you,
Speaker 1: you're gonna figure it out. You're gonna be willing to
Speaker 1: figure that. And that's what it was with It's like
Speaker 1: we're gonna figure it out because it means more then
Speaker 1: dollars and cents, you know what I mean. It's like, bro,
Speaker 1: like this ship means a lot more to it. So
Speaker 1: so I think that's the beauty of it, you really,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's definitely way more plusant than anything because
Speaker 1: I feel like you're willing to run through a wall
Speaker 1: for someone like that, you know what I mean, like
Speaker 1: somebody else you might be like. And that's because it's
Speaker 1: like the the the intent of a human right when
Speaker 1: it come when it pertains to somebody, you know, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like you can bet on that
Speaker 1: more than you can bet on anything like this is
Speaker 1: I know this guy for sure, what I'm saying, I
Speaker 1: know him exactly. You know what I'm saying, And you
Speaker 1: know we know we know our friends that are bullshitters,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, that that we like, Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, just just make him the janitor. We know
Speaker 1: where to put those guys are. But our our friends
Speaker 1: that we know are hard workers, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: and and and smart people and just need the time
Speaker 1: to figure out. This conversation with so many artists I've
Speaker 1: had because like I calls the only artists I've ever managed,
Speaker 1: and that our plan on ever managing, Like I've all
Speaker 1: the artists I sign, I've like played whatever role I can't.
Speaker 1: It's like the facto managing they turned artists. See. It's
Speaker 1: because to me, like managing is also like you know,
Speaker 1: you gotta be really dedicated, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And it's like, how can you dedicate yourself to nine
Speaker 1: different acts? Like I don't, I don't understand it. I
Speaker 1: don't know if I can do it, but I always
Speaker 1: I've had this conversation with artists that we're on an
Speaker 1: artists that are starting. I'm like, yo, if there's someone
Speaker 1: on your team that you feel like even has something
Speaker 1: that they will that they like, they work hard, and
Speaker 1: they're willing to figure it out, you better off empowering
Speaker 1: them then looking for that manager because to me, it's
Speaker 1: like I've seen it a million times, like y'all managed
Speaker 1: by Blah blah Blah's management company, and then it's like
Speaker 1: now you managed by nigga at work there if that
Speaker 1: nigga don't give a funk that nigga is like you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like he like, you know whatever
Speaker 1: exactly he's on the golf course. Yeah, yeah, Mike about that?
Speaker 1: What does he get out? I don't think we should
Speaker 1: do it. I'll show up when he when he when
Speaker 1: he's getting out of jail his paperwork. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: think we should do it. But it's always a j uh.
Speaker 1: Are you for taking on, undertaking anymore or the endeavors?
Speaker 1: You know, I don't even really know. I can't say
Speaker 1: it and be like, I know what the future of
Speaker 1: our label holes, because if I'm gonna be honest, I
Speaker 1: don't actually even want to sign any more artists, Like
Speaker 1: I feel like I want to dedicate what I can
Speaker 1: to these artists, to give them as far as they
Speaker 1: could or as far as they want to. But you know,
Speaker 1: to take on more is just taken away from them,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And I feel like it's
Speaker 1: a team and so like we already got a lot
Speaker 1: of artists, you know what I mean. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's unfair to not only the artists, but it's unfair
Speaker 1: to our staff to just have to so so to me,
Speaker 1: it's like I haven't even thought of any any more artists.
Speaker 1: I know. Cole's the saying, Um, it's just more so
Speaker 1: like just putting these artists in the position. Because also,
Speaker 1: like we really treat everybody has come through our doors
Speaker 1: like family, and it's been it's but so much love,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, it's tough to like really
Speaker 1: just in and um and I truly genuinely love everyone
Speaker 1: on our label, Like I want to see them win
Speaker 1: so much that I'm like, I don't know if adding
Speaker 1: more to that is fair, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So there's there's just the reality of it. All right,
Speaker 1: Well we're gonna but I do love working on R
Speaker 1: and B, like you know, Cole. I think Cole specifically,
Speaker 1: I always tell him the next phase of his career
Speaker 1: is really producing and get in with artist. He loves that,
Speaker 1: like he's going in with l Man, He's gotten in
Speaker 1: with you know, um, just he loves that space him
Speaker 1: watching him work with Ari, I see like that and
Speaker 1: this is like you really love this, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like on her on the Introver album, like
Speaker 1: he wrote that with her, and like and like, you know,
Speaker 1: even just the conversation he's had with throughout a career.
Speaker 1: So I know that's something that it's fun to us,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like work wise, being able
Speaker 1: to get in with artists and kind of like craft
Speaker 1: like yo, this, you know, like this this would sound
Speaker 1: dope or whatever. So I do think there's there's always
Speaker 1: gonna be something there. I just don't know what yet,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Okay, definitely, Okay, we were
Speaker 1: going there. We're gonna go to your R and B mind.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna help you. Yeah, come on, come on, come
Speaker 1: on from Yeah it was it was just a killing
Speaker 1: money little We're not gonna shout their name. You're not
Speaker 1: gonna get of them. Yeah they got. They got to
Speaker 1: send that check before we start saying their names. It's
Speaker 1: really good though. I'm not gonna say your name. But
Speaker 1: if y'all want to know, hit up Tank, you put
Speaker 1: me on. Hurt nobody. Nobody will hurt ship hip too
Speaker 1: really explore. Mm hmmmm. We're good now, h m hmm.
Speaker 1: All right, mm hmmm mm hmmm. Let's get in chips
Speaker 1: and ship. But I'm meeting drips. Mhmm. You're going to
Speaker 1: edit it? Yes, I want to know. I already know one,
Speaker 1: but I don't want to know your top five R
Speaker 1: and B artists of all time be all our female.
Speaker 1: All right, well, Joe to see I gotta be up there,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I grew up a huge
Speaker 1: Jodice fan, so we gotta put that up there. Um
Speaker 1: mm hmmm, I would sure, yes, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like Man Confessions, you put that up against any album
Speaker 1: in the genre time. You know what I mean. I
Speaker 1: think Confessions in Miseducation is like two of the best albums.
Speaker 1: Just listening to that the other day, Um, Erica, could
Speaker 1: I do Eric? I love you too, Erica, er I'll
Speaker 1: risk Yours was different, though, Erica, We're gonna leave some
Speaker 1: people out because they didn't you know. Now, we're not
Speaker 1: love not wronging me money podcast if you would like to,
Speaker 1: that's on you. We don't leave nobody out. They don't
Speaker 1: did too many whiles ship we can. That's not true,
Speaker 1: she told my music to my music brother on music. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can't to raise your influence. Yeah, try to send
Speaker 1: me up a set up you don't. Yeah, but y'all
Speaker 1: know something is just incredible. They're just terrible people, and
Speaker 1: he's gonna leave it in what we say. You can
Speaker 1: say if you, if you, if he was just a
Speaker 1: good nigga, he would be topic number four. Now I
Speaker 1: can't put them before. I gotta I gotta raise him
Speaker 1: out of the history books. Now. I mean maybe on
Speaker 1: my own time I listen to It's your five, Um,
Speaker 1: damn five, it's just so many kod ones. Mm hmmm.
Speaker 1: I think just like as far as music, like songs
Speaker 1: that I'm gonna love forever, I'm gonna throw a lee
Speaker 1: in there because is gonna you know, it's like it's
Speaker 1: where it's where you add in your life when you
Speaker 1: first heard them, you know what I mean. It's like, Um,
Speaker 1: I don't want to count anybody. That's like, I'm only
Speaker 1: counting people I grew up on. I don't want to
Speaker 1: count like the newer people because I feel like there's
Speaker 1: like a whole list of people. But um, who's last
Speaker 1: Who am I missing? Mm hmm. I feel like I mean,
Speaker 1: I was honestly huge. I'm gonna put Alicia in there
Speaker 1: because them first like that the first two albums when
Speaker 1: I was growing up, Like, man, I spun the funk
Speaker 1: out of them ship, So you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I feel like that's a strong five, very strong five,
Speaker 1: very strong on the show early with Alicia Sacramento and
Speaker 1: and I came out and I'm doing my whole singing thing,
Speaker 1: and I got my band down on it, you know,
Speaker 1: a leather suit whatever, and I'm just trying to dazzle
Speaker 1: them with all of my all of my newfound sex appeal.
Speaker 1: You know. That's what I was on shirt off tank change,
Speaker 1: just so they know my name didn't make sure if
Speaker 1: you ain't gotta be right, just the case you didn't
Speaker 1: know right here, um, And that's what I'm trying to
Speaker 1: dazzle them with. It was Jimmy cozyer Me Records comes
Speaker 1: up there and starts singing and playing the piano, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, I can do that, right, why not do that?
Speaker 1: I think I do that? And she was up there killing.
Speaker 1: I was like this, we gotta we gotta rearrange this man,
Speaker 1: because she's and I never changed it, you know what
Speaker 1: you know what it was with Alicia. It was like
Speaker 1: being because I was in high school around that time.
Speaker 1: It felt like and I'm from New York, so it
Speaker 1: felt like that that little like streets that she had
Speaker 1: along with the beautiful chords and made it feel like
Speaker 1: a DJ. It didn't look like she was like like
Speaker 1: when I played the piano, I'm like playing the piano,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like I've learned from you know,
Speaker 1: Brian mcnight and baby Face, and you know, I'm a
Speaker 1: church musician. But when she played that, she was she
Speaker 1: was up to it and like just her lean and everything.
Speaker 1: I was like, this, that's mine. Don't come off like that.
Speaker 1: Well you know I did forget though that I do
Speaker 1: want to mention is t Pay one of my favorites.
Speaker 1: He's just ever getting to argue with me. He's it
Speaker 1: was just like and it's just introduced the new style
Speaker 1: R and V two people, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like I appreciate people. It's like I'm just gonna do
Speaker 1: it my way. Like and then later you found out
Speaker 1: that he was actually vocally strong, like he didn't know
Speaker 1: what you know, we didn't know, Yeah, we didn't know
Speaker 1: at the beginning. Well, you know, I mean for me
Speaker 1: what I used to try to do the auto tune heavy.
Speaker 1: I was like, why don't I sound like t pay?
Speaker 1: I just I didn't sound like him, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Hit The texture in his tone and all
Speaker 1: of that made all of the difference. And he was
Speaker 1: also another one to the point we're talking about with Drake,
Speaker 1: but in a different way, like he was writing from
Speaker 1: a place of like like we're not supp used to
Speaker 1: it used to be uncool to say, like I'm in
Speaker 1: love with a stripper, like like he made ship that,
Speaker 1: he made it fun. He didn't he didn't put too
Speaker 1: much on it. I love that. So I do want
Speaker 1: to put him up there too. Top five R and
Speaker 1: B song. That's gonna be hard. That's gonna be hard.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'll just go by like the artist that I
Speaker 1: already loved. You can do that, but go ahead, yeah,
Speaker 1: because not because it's hard to make five, because like
Speaker 1: I would, I wouldn't want to throw I'm gonna give
Speaker 1: it a shot. Carl Thomas, I wish up. Can't go
Speaker 1: wrong with that. It's just can't go wrong with it.
Speaker 1: It's just an incredible song. Um, I don't know if
Speaker 1: it's like a top five favorite of all time, but
Speaker 1: an R and B song. I've been listening to you
Speaker 1: a lot lately is kick You White? First Love? First Love.
Speaker 1: Me and my sisters literally have sing offs every family reunion, everything.
Speaker 1: One of my favorites the whole house. You split it up,
Speaker 1: y'all sing kicks part, I'm Gonna see her face part.
Speaker 1: I've been on that heavy like the last year, just like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I got so mad when there came out.
Speaker 1: It was still a little bit of a hater. Y'a
Speaker 1: was playing the same y'all was both trying to get
Speaker 1: on the tea. I'm trying to get in and I'm
Speaker 1: just trying to, you know, get in the game, and
Speaker 1: I'm watching the vant cook. And at that time, I couldn't.
Speaker 1: I couldn't completely appreciate a Vont's vocal because I was
Speaker 1: a church kid just running all over the place. I
Speaker 1: couldn't appreciate simple man the game like it was. It
Speaker 1: was just right. Everything about it was right. Nothing was
Speaker 1: missing man, Oh yeah, joint and it. And it took
Speaker 1: me a minute to just, you know, just just learn
Speaker 1: to get out of myself and understand what that way
Speaker 1: it took me, took it took me going into a
Speaker 1: session with the producer and you know, I'm a singer,
Speaker 1: I'm singing, athing, I'm singing, sing sing sings and failing
Speaker 1: at the session m hm, and having to go back
Speaker 1: and listen to the song some more. Two get the song,
Speaker 1: the style of the song. The song was so simple,
Speaker 1: and the song required so many just subtle nuances that
Speaker 1: pull it off. Like that's a real talent to know
Speaker 1: when to baby face when the simplified things. It's like
Speaker 1: a talent even as producers. I remember when you know,
Speaker 1: being in producers, like when you overdo it, it's like, well,
Speaker 1: where's the room for the actual artists? You know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Like who you know, you're trying to impress
Speaker 1: yourself exactly. So I think I think that's that's a
Speaker 1: good That's something all artists, you though, Like, Yo, there's
Speaker 1: a time when you got to know how to dig back.
Speaker 1: Is when I say a monster straight ahead vocal. Yeah
Speaker 1: that's Kiki. I love that. Um M. You know, I
Speaker 1: got to put a show to see jointing there. I
Speaker 1: got which one though, Uh, that's tough. You can run
Speaker 1: off the rest of your list with yell to record.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't, yeah, but I gotta pick one just to
Speaker 1: be be able to like include other people. I might
Speaker 1: have to go my harbor on see you Bopp who
Speaker 1: does that joo? Whatever you want, whatever you want. And
Speaker 1: it's so crazy because he was He's in a group,
Speaker 1: not wass in a group, and from a family with
Speaker 1: such a powerhouse, which case he is. That a lot
Speaker 1: of times it doesn't get mentioned the greatness of Jojo.
Speaker 1: I literally I went on live one night and I'm talking,
Speaker 1: I'm arguing with people, I'm talking about where I'm and
Speaker 1: I learned to not argue with people who don't do
Speaker 1: R and B, but I just had one of them nice.
Speaker 1: I was literally going, I was losing my mom. I'm talking,
Speaker 1: I'm arguing online like this about JoJo's vocal and I'm like,
Speaker 1: it's two guys. There's Joe Joe Haley and it's Sean Stockman,
Speaker 1: who both are in groups with ultimate powerhouses that that
Speaker 1: their voices are so strong and they just they're just
Speaker 1: so incredible that you don't realize that there's a master
Speaker 1: right next to them, master that will cook any and everything,
Speaker 1: and big boy to a rap. It's like yes, y'all
Speaker 1: don't realize how fucking fire big boys because you know,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like you just there's a
Speaker 1: reason why the Nigga is all group because they respect
Speaker 1: their times. And one when when Casey could take my mom,
Speaker 1: he coming crazy house in co He's just coming earlier.
Speaker 1: And then what it is and then Jos, I don't
Speaker 1: never ya, I said, why would he do that? Why
Speaker 1: would he break it down like that? Exactly? It's the
Speaker 1: compliment of you know what it was to when I
Speaker 1: was a kid. It was again it was like and
Speaker 1: I love boys to man, but it was like this
Speaker 1: that genius stuff, like it's like y'are not you're y'all
Speaker 1: are unique. Y'all are doing your own ship, Like you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I was always telling like people,
Speaker 1: I think it's so weird that for some reason as
Speaker 1: a kid, I was always like yeah, but I and
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is fully true or not,
Speaker 1: but I always be like, yeah, but Joe, see, they're
Speaker 1: producing write all their own stuff. I don't think boys
Speaker 1: the man right, like, who gives a funk? I'm like
Speaker 1: arguing about the fact that DeVante is doing all his
Speaker 1: work like it like it makes them that much better.
Speaker 1: Crazy thing is, boys, the man was right. No, I
Speaker 1: didn't know that. In my mind. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: y'all were like, you know, like like everything didn't write
Speaker 1: every single butt and I found out. I mean, there's
Speaker 1: other people taken from your guy. I know you will
Speaker 1: jump over the table about Devonte's keep it fulk key though,
Speaker 1: But when we get into the Diary of a Man band, yeah,
Speaker 1: that album is we're talking about Devonte. That's fair me
Speaker 1: so so Timberlin don't got no hand and none of that.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying. Here's what I gotta say. You have
Speaker 1: to think of think of it like this DeVante sound
Speaker 1: has not in any way, shape or form been replicated,
Speaker 1: and it hasn't got no and it hasn't got and
Speaker 1: it hasn't got nobody can do it like so you know,
Speaker 1: it's fair. It's fair. It's fair, it's fair. Fairr Okay,
Speaker 1: my heart belongs to you, yes, Jesus Christ. So the
Speaker 1: fourth one is, this is quite the hardest one is
Speaker 1: to pick a song off Confessions because I gotta get something.
Speaker 1: It's so many confessions ain't a single so yeah, but
Speaker 1: to me, we're not here from me to me, it
Speaker 1: would be between Superstar and throw Back, Like those are
Speaker 1: two of my favorite songs all confession, but it's like,
Speaker 1: how do you pick one? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like every time my head throw Back, it's like mine
Speaker 1: is what that's what it's made for. I haven't been
Speaker 1: to the show, but I'm going for sure. I gotta go.
Speaker 1: I gotta go. Yeah. Just watching his fucking tiny desk,
Speaker 1: I'm like, it makes you realize there's a level, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like this level like really good.
Speaker 1: I'm really good guys. So but you know what, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go throw Back just because, Okay, the before and
Speaker 1: then five that's tough because then it gets it gets
Speaker 1: into the reason I even mentioned the R thing, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like I really like, why don't
Speaker 1: we fall in love real quickly? For you? I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: Seduction is my favorite. That crazy to though, that's that's
Speaker 1: that's that's my I'm gonna go with Throwback just because
Speaker 1: of like the hip hop so I love the merger
Speaker 1: of that. I love the merger of like hip hop,
Speaker 1: but like the emotion and singing on it. To me,
Speaker 1: that's like my favorite ship, which then leads me to
Speaker 1: like damn, you don't know my name? Why don't we
Speaker 1: fall in love? Like? I also think of like Lion
Speaker 1: Tigers and Bears, which is one of like one of
Speaker 1: the like I still go back to that song, like, Yo,
Speaker 1: how did she do that? You know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 1: it's tough. It's impossible to pick five. Yes, you got
Speaker 1: to do it right. I gotta pick one of those three.
Speaker 1: I want to say, Oh, that's tough. I think I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go with you don't Know my Name, just because
Speaker 1: not only was it incredible, that ship went crazy too.
Speaker 1: It's just like somewhere else, yo, line Tigers and Bears,
Speaker 1: like those songs, like damn, it's a lot of good
Speaker 1: songs out there. All right, Um, R and B votron,
Speaker 1: we're putting together the perfect R and B singer. Who
Speaker 1: are you taking the vocals from? The style from, the
Speaker 1: performance style from, and the passion. We're gonna start with
Speaker 1: the vocal Who are you getting your vocal from? For
Speaker 1: your coldest vocalist, Man, I'm gonna have to go usher
Speaker 1: mm hmm. I'm gonna go Usher with that because I
Speaker 1: feel like he can do everything with it. He's got
Speaker 1: all of it. Who are you getting your performance style from?
Speaker 1: Are we mixing like women? Because performance down? Man, Chris
Speaker 1: is a monster, absolute monster. But Beyonce is also like insane,
Speaker 1: like she don't miss a No, I might have to
Speaker 1: go beyont ok. That's exciting. Who are you getting your
Speaker 1: style from? What you want your artists to look? Who
Speaker 1: you want your artists look? Damn, that's a tough one.
Speaker 1: I feel like it was it was old before that time.
Speaker 1: I think there was a lot about how like it
Speaker 1: felt like seeing Joe that he felt like dah, yeah,
Speaker 1: niggas look new to me, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I was young, so maybe I'll missed like people that
Speaker 1: ushi that styling before them. But I just remember at
Speaker 1: that time. Now, I don't want Nigga's dressing like Jodie now,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But like at the time,
Speaker 1: it felt like it was unique. So I think that
Speaker 1: that mindset of like I also missed groups, man, groups
Speaker 1: was fine, But hey, man, you're you're very rich. You
Speaker 1: can go ahead and do a group now because you
Speaker 1: have me rich to a group. They don't want to
Speaker 1: do it, but breaking up guys, but I don't, I
Speaker 1: don't know, Oh you know what. Actually I'm gonna say.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say Aliyah her style was incredible. I remember
Speaker 1: being in school and girls showing up with like the
Speaker 1: Tommy Hill figure and showing their boxers, and that ship
Speaker 1: handily made it sexy for a girl to like be
Speaker 1: tomb like. I've never seen that. I wouldn't do my
Speaker 1: stage for sure where I saw girls and those were
Speaker 1: the sexy girls to me. So to me, I I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go with Aliyah. So style, that's a good one. Yeah, passion, passion,
Speaker 1: you get the heart from whos gonna get you, whos
Speaker 1: gonna kick over the speaker man? You know, might have
Speaker 1: to go with Casey Casey see Haley what, Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: the first person to say that passion that It's crazy
Speaker 1: that he's the first person to mention Casey's passion, his passion,
Speaker 1: like you get hearing in his voice, somebody gave me life,
Speaker 1: you know, life, life if you think you lonely? Now,
Speaker 1: now that niggle was going in toss it up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that nig was going see baby talking. That nig came
Speaker 1: on like this because you know what, with passion also
Speaker 1: comes your flaws, Like you're times where people don't agree
Speaker 1: with you, but that's what passion is. It's Casey has
Speaker 1: Casey has a run pattern that is absolutely indescribable. It
Speaker 1: doesn't follow any technical run patterned, any rule of running.
Speaker 1: It's it's Casey. Yeah, it's his, it's his, it's his.
Speaker 1: And and whoever is followed behind him. You say, that's
Speaker 1: that's Casey, that's Casey. That's Casey. Now, that's that's that's that.
Speaker 1: We got one more thing for you, though, you let
Speaker 1: your body here. What's up? So we got this this uh,
Speaker 1: this segment it's called I ain't saying on that. Will
Speaker 1: you tell us a story funnier, fucked up? Are funny
Speaker 1: and fucked up? The only rule is you can't say
Speaker 1: no name, So this is Eves. I ain't saying on that.
Speaker 1: Let me think. I do think this story is funnier
Speaker 1: when you know the name and it's not disrespectful to
Speaker 1: the person. But I do want to think that it's
Speaker 1: that story I'm missing. Yeah, I'm gonna to go with
Speaker 1: this one because the first thing I thought of, um,
Speaker 1: it's like two thousand and eleven, and because because you
Speaker 1: know what it's important to what we are and it's
Speaker 1: like All Star Weekend and me and Cola like, at uh,
Speaker 1: it's like a two you know, the two Kings dinner
Speaker 1: Lebron and Jayson do and then it comes no. But
Speaker 1: but then they're not a part of story. They're not
Speaker 1: a part of story. And you know, there's two people
Speaker 1: come up to us like, yo, y'all want to go
Speaker 1: y'all want to go to a party? I want to
Speaker 1: go to We're not gonna say this name party, and
Speaker 1: me and Coles like because like I feel like Nick
Speaker 1: is gonna be like doing coke off the table and
Speaker 1: all types of while she like we've just seen in
Speaker 1: the movie. I'm good, Like I'm good on this, Like yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm like I haven't heard about this nigga, Like I
Speaker 1: know it gets wild. But they're like, nah, I just
Speaker 1: come through and in and we went and it was
Speaker 1: honestly the most I was drunk already, So you know,
Speaker 1: when you're drunk and you're kind of like, I don't
Speaker 1: want nobody know I'm drunk, especially in this establishment and
Speaker 1: this person it's not even really I don't even want
Speaker 1: to call it a party. It's like a jam session.
Speaker 1: And this nigga goes up there and you just started
Speaker 1: playing the bass. His dances all dancing, so it's like
Speaker 1: basically like when the performance venue in this person's house
Speaker 1: and I'm drunk and I'm like, I definitely do not
Speaker 1: belong here, like I'm the last I'm looking around like
Speaker 1: I'm not supposed to be here, but I'm gonna enjoy
Speaker 1: this night. And this nigga goes up keep playing a bass.
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess at this one, it's like it's
Speaker 1: not best. So many things that could do this because
Speaker 1: the base down he starts dancing, drinking, he go back
Speaker 1: up plays the drums. I'm like, this nig is that
Speaker 1: you goes back up start singing. I'm like, what am I? Why?
Speaker 1: How am I here? Like and and you know, I
Speaker 1: see this other artist who will remain nameless he liked damn.
Speaker 1: They're like, are you with this girl? I'm thinking about
Speaker 1: to like square up. I'm like, I'm sitting here again
Speaker 1: like somebody I grew up on him, like I don't
Speaker 1: want to see this, Like I'm just like, why am
Speaker 1: I here? But that's one of the craziest memories I've
Speaker 1: ever had, because you know, the artist that way beyond
Speaker 1: my time is one of the greatest to ever do
Speaker 1: anything in music and to see that artist go up
Speaker 1: there on the base on the drums, on the guitar
Speaker 1: start singing while everybody's just dancing. I'm like, I'm thinking
Speaker 1: I'm going to some house party in l A. And
Speaker 1: it's like, no, this was so the thought that I
Speaker 1: thought was I was gonna walk into like mounds of
Speaker 1: cocaine and I'm like, I'm not about that, Like maybe
Speaker 1: give me out of here. And just to know that
Speaker 1: it was like it was a jam session. That's one
Speaker 1: of my favorite like memories that because we also never
Speaker 1: like to see our heroes. Yeah, you don't want to
Speaker 1: see to get to see them, yeah, bro do they thing?
Speaker 1: It was crazy because in my mind, I'm like I
Speaker 1: don't want to see that. I don't want to be
Speaker 1: in a place where I'm like, yo, like I don't
Speaker 1: want to see how like that, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And I don't have nothing against people that enjoy themselves
Speaker 1: and do that. It's just like I wasn't ready. I
Speaker 1: didn't have a good understanding of like anything in that,
Speaker 1: you know what i mean. So my mom, I'm like, yo,
Speaker 1: like I'm good, Like I'd rather keep them in my mind.
Speaker 1: It's like howe but there was still a superhero's still
Speaker 1: a good one. We want to get we want to
Speaker 1: get pressed by ice Cube at some point. Yeah, I want.
Speaker 1: I want to if I see ice cust tell me
Speaker 1: to break myself. What I'm break yourself for? Why don't
Speaker 1: tell me to break myself? Let me have the car
Speaker 1: down the car though, you don't know why you got
Speaker 1: out and cut put some stuff in his eyes. He's
Speaker 1: not if you don't have to cry, escape, I want
Speaker 1: to cry. All right, listen, ladies and gentlemen, this has
Speaker 1: been um. This has been an Army Money podcast, a
Speaker 1: very special Army Money podcast. Whether we thank you, appreciate you.
Speaker 1: I love what you'all do, man, and getting into the
Speaker 1: intricacies you know what I'm saying, and and and giving
Speaker 1: us a lot of organic information. You know what I'm
Speaker 1: saying in terms of just um, believing in yourselves you have,
Speaker 1: believing in your guys and rolling with it, betting on it.
Speaker 1: I'm saying that there's, like you said, Jay, there's something
Speaker 1: to be said that the top of the food chain
Speaker 1: is constructed that way. No, for sure, y'all keep going, man,
Speaker 1: you know you got our support and man always revenge
Speaker 1: of the dreamer's toil or something. Yeah, I know it's
Speaker 1: a dream feel you know what I'm saying somewhere in
Speaker 1: the forests happening at y'all need performance, you need to
Speaker 1: come on. Man. I got it, I got it. I
Speaker 1: got y'all. Man, we got a song, y'all. This top
Speaker 1: five right now, number one now for sure. Man, I
Speaker 1: got nothing but love for y'all. Um, I've appreciated that
Speaker 1: y'all have like always been genuine from day one. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So and and like you said,
Speaker 1: y'all building together. I know how that feels. So of
Speaker 1: course this is yeah. I love seeing the growth from everything.
Speaker 1: I'll do make dreams of sessions. I'm gonna call y'all love.
Speaker 1: This has been the boss right here on the R
Speaker 1: and B Money podcast, I'm taking I'm Ja Valentine. We
Speaker 1: are the authority on all things are and Yeah, R
Speaker 1: and B Money. R and B Money is a production
Speaker 1: of the Black Effect podcast Network. For more podcasts from
Speaker 1: I Heart Radio, visit the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts,
Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Don't forget
Speaker 1: to subscribe to and rate our show, and you can
Speaker 1: connect with us on social Media at Ja Valentine and
Speaker 1: at the Real Tank. For the extended episode, subscribe to
Speaker 1: YouTube dot com, Forward, slash r and b Money