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Speaker 1: I cannot believe we are at the end of season
Speaker 1: two episode Can you believe twenty three episodes of season
Speaker 1: two we have watched together? We are now on season
Speaker 1: two episode twenty three, the Lever's Dance. And should we
Speaker 1: tell what? Should we? Should we tell them now or
Speaker 1: do we wait? We do it? Tell them now? Okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna tell you now. Guys were so very excited. Um,
Speaker 1: we may have definitely done some of our excitement prior
Speaker 1: to hitting record, which we were reminded by the nice
Speaker 1: people who produced the show to stop doing that. So
Speaker 1: I will repeat what I said before, which is that
Speaker 1: we have been loving watching this season and all of
Speaker 1: us gals have been so blown away by none other
Speaker 1: then the iconic Taylor James played by the phenomenal Lindsay McKeon,
Speaker 1: who is my god, so pretty that it hurts to
Speaker 1: look at her and I'm saying, I'm looking at you
Speaker 1: on zoom and I can't believe this is your face. Welcome,
Speaker 1: what an intro. We're so have you here. So fun
Speaker 1: to be here and just see more and more and
Speaker 1: more of you, guys. Lindy and I just got back
Speaker 1: from a fan convention in Paris. We had such a
Speaker 1: fun time. It was great to reconnect and just I mean,
Speaker 1: I think it's always so moving and I know you
Speaker 1: had this experience too, so with when you get to
Speaker 1: meet with fans and interacting hear their stories and um,
Speaker 1: but it was also really nice behind the scenes to
Speaker 1: just get to reconnect with Lindsay, who I haven't seen
Speaker 1: in a while. And so yeah, when, um, when Hillary
Speaker 1: had to step out for this episode, I was like, please, please,
Speaker 1: can we bring Lindsay and please because she's so great,
Speaker 1: such a wonderful actress. We have nothing but gushing things
Speaker 1: to say about you whenever you are on the screen.
Speaker 1: So um, it's long overdue. So thanks for coming, Thank
Speaker 1: you for having me. I'm going to keep you around forever.
Speaker 1: You're the best hype squads. Okay, well, Lindsay, why don't
Speaker 1: you read the synopsis for us? I'm putting you on
Speaker 1: the spot, Go girl on the spot. I mean my
Speaker 1: glasses for this. Okay, guys, it's part two of the
Speaker 1: season two finale. Lucas continues to spy on Dan. Deb
Speaker 1: comes back from rehab to find out Nathan is moving home,
Speaker 1: but she has other plans made some mysterious writer named
Speaker 1: Ellie Aaron decides to take a leap of love to
Speaker 1: New Zealand. Brooke leaves for the summer, but not without
Speaker 1: Lucas professing his love for her with a goodbye kiss.
Speaker 1: Dan's fate goes up and flame. This was a big episode.
Speaker 1: This was a big episode. Before we get into that,
Speaker 1: I want to know, Lindsay, how much of this show
Speaker 1: have you actually seen? Why do you keep putting me
Speaker 1: on this? Oh, there's no wrong answer. We've all been
Speaker 1: saying since we started our podcast. We're all like, we've
Speaker 1: never seen it because we were working all the time,
Speaker 1: so we never have you seen it? Did you guys
Speaker 1: watch every episode together? How did that work? No? So
Speaker 1: we're seeing this for the first time. A lot of
Speaker 1: these episodes are seeing for the first time. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: did you go back and watch your like when your
Speaker 1: work came out, when the show came out, do you
Speaker 1: watch your work or are you just sort of like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sure I saw it, But that was so long ago.
Speaker 1: M hm, so long when we started what was the
Speaker 1: two thousand three I entered, that's almost twenty years ago. Hush,
Speaker 1: hush your mouth. I mean, if I do say so myself,
Speaker 1: especially as we're all talking about the weird shades of red.
Speaker 1: Our hair was dyed, and like the Rachel Green layers,
Speaker 1: I think we've only gotten hotter. We look better now
Speaker 1: than we did then. Hats off to us. Hailey has
Speaker 1: so many layers in her hair that blowout, just like
Speaker 1: it was like the stairs up to the Statue of Liberty.
Speaker 1: There's just never ending layers. I love it. I love it.
Speaker 1: It's also so interesting because I know I was telling
Speaker 1: you this a little bit when we first jumped on
Speaker 1: the zoom Lindsay, But for us, it's really wild, you know,
Speaker 1: looking back at a show that was made in the
Speaker 1: early aughts, that was a teen show about high school
Speaker 1: um largely centering on these young women but written mostly
Speaker 1: by older in there's stuff that can be a little tricky.
Speaker 1: Um things that now is you know, producers and directors
Speaker 1: and women who are more in control of creative Uh,
Speaker 1: we see in ways that when we were all babies
Speaker 1: on our first show and we didn't know what was
Speaker 1: normal and what wasn't. We didn't really know back then,
Speaker 1: like in season two and something that has been so
Speaker 1: striking to us is that they brought you in to
Speaker 1: play Taylor as you know, a foil to Haley, as
Speaker 1: as a potential wedge in this relationship. You you had
Speaker 1: some very like stereotypical like the vixen who comes to
Speaker 1: town because trouble stuff, and every scene that could have
Speaker 1: felt like a caricature, you put layers in Taylor that
Speaker 1: made it clear that this was someone who had suffered,
Speaker 1: who was acting out of pain, who was really struggling
Speaker 1: with what the world had told her she was and
Speaker 1: was she going to believe it or not? You layered
Speaker 1: her like but it's like it's wild to watch again
Speaker 1: because like you know, we read the scripts and we'd
Speaker 1: be like, wow, it was a wild but to watch
Speaker 1: the nuance that you put in a performance that I
Speaker 1: think We've seen a lot with no nuance on other shows.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to be very diplomatic, but it's it's like, anyway,
Speaker 1: I just realized that this is an episode that Taylor's
Speaker 1: not in, so we can't gush about you to you.
Speaker 1: So I just want to repeat all the things we've
Speaker 1: been saying about you when you haven't been in the
Speaker 1: zoom room with us, because we've all just been like
Speaker 1: really blown away by you and it's been so cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you brought as many layers to Taylor as there were
Speaker 1: in Hayley's hair. Well here, Oh my goodness, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: how did you? How did you get the role? Like
Speaker 1: do you remember when the audition came? What were you
Speaker 1: doing at the time, Like, give us some backstory. I
Speaker 1: think the only thing I remember about auditioning was where,
Speaker 1: like the location it was on the wlaw WB lot
Speaker 1: in one of the trailers, Like that's literally the only
Speaker 1: thing I remember. Um. And then the idea of like,
Speaker 1: oh I booked it, you know, um. And for me
Speaker 1: it was so funny because I was like reading like
Speaker 1: Sophia Bushes on the show, and we went to preschool
Speaker 1: in kindergarten together. Oh my gosh, that's right. Our history, like,
Speaker 1: what's the pencil story ry too? It's very weird that
Speaker 1: we all like keep ending together. It's so, isn't there
Speaker 1: up there about a pencil? Why is that in my brain? Oh? Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: Lindsay and I like, as little kids, fully got in
Speaker 1: like a playground fight and Sophia over like a toy.
Speaker 1: Either way, I find it to be hilarious. I thought
Speaker 1: I thought it was funny because my mom like recounted
Speaker 1: the whole thing to me, and I remember being so
Speaker 1: enamored with you and your mom because your mom was
Speaker 1: an actor and was doing like huge national commercials. And
Speaker 1: I was like, wait, the girl I got in a
Speaker 1: fight with is the same girl whose mom did the
Speaker 1: Wait what? My mom was like, how do you not
Speaker 1: remember this? I was like, we were four, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I so don't remember it. My mom didn't remember it.
Speaker 1: I even went to the school and was like, do
Speaker 1: you remember this happening? They're like, no, I don't remember
Speaker 1: that happening. I was like, I thought, that's friends, I
Speaker 1: don't remember stabbing her in the face. Oh my god. Well,
Speaker 1: by the way, I genuinely thought it was so funny.
Speaker 1: And then you know, we had some very petty, um
Speaker 1: shall we say male a d s on our show,
Speaker 1: who like, I don't know, we're weird about it. And
Speaker 1: I was like, why is everyone else being weird about
Speaker 1: it if we're not weird about it? But yeah, the
Speaker 1: world is very small. And I also just find it
Speaker 1: hilarious that, like, I don't know, apparently we got into
Speaker 1: fight over a Fisher Price toy or something on a
Speaker 1: player like what it's so it's so silly. But a
Speaker 1: lot of like male young male guys like hitting me
Speaker 1: in the head at that school. Someone hit me in
Speaker 1: the head with like a plastic picture. I was like, glush.
Speaker 1: It was like fight for your life on that playground. HOLI. Yeah,
Speaker 1: do you remember this is Pasadena? No, this is in
Speaker 1: l A. This was off of Fairfax. It was a
Speaker 1: school called First Lutheran, which, by the way, it was
Speaker 1: like run by nuns, wasn't it. No, it wasn't little
Speaker 1: red schoolhouse. It was Shoot, why am I blinking on
Speaker 1: the name? Fountain Day? Fountain Day? You're right, You're right,
Speaker 1: that's right. So yeah, and maybe it was like a
Speaker 1: that was the denomination. I don't know. I just remember,
Speaker 1: like I remember my favorite nun at the school was
Speaker 1: Miss Mary who taught us swim. Do you remember her?
Speaker 1: And she had like the fun familiar I do swim.
Speaker 1: I remember there is this teacher that got super angry
Speaker 1: at me and another guy I really liked, like my
Speaker 1: boyfriend Bobby at the time. Oh my god, Bobby. Remember
Speaker 1: do you remember when Bobby taught all of us what
Speaker 1: the middle finger meant because he had older siblings. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, Bobby was a bad kid. I gotten so
Speaker 1: much trouble. I went home and I flipped my mom
Speaker 1: off and I was like, what does this mean? And
Speaker 1: my mom was like, Bobby, she was so angry. Bobby
Speaker 1: was like, if you could like do it like kind
Speaker 1: of East Coast guido in a five year old that
Speaker 1: was his hair was always slicked back, and he was
Speaker 1: such a little boy at home. He's just like loved
Speaker 1: he loved a gel that child. Anyway, I remember, yeah,
Speaker 1: for the most part, loving all of our experiences there,
Speaker 1: and just remember when your mom would like come to
Speaker 1: pick you up from school and we'd be like, what
Speaker 1: you do today? Like we all just wanted to know,
Speaker 1: you know, well, so was the cool thing she was filming?
Speaker 1: When you saw that Sophia was on the show. Was
Speaker 1: that like, was it like, oh good, I'll get to
Speaker 1: see Sophia again. Was it like, oh is it weird?
Speaker 1: Is it going to be weird? Like how did you feel? No?
Speaker 1: I was like, oh cool, we were like best season preschool,
Speaker 1: Like this is yeah great, I love it. And then
Speaker 1: I worry about the pencil from the crew and I
Speaker 1: was like, wait, she hates I mean, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I think this is funny. Why is everyone searching for drama? Honestly,
Speaker 1: I think people were so bored. There was nothing to do,
Speaker 1: and I think like Ian and Billy just wanted to
Speaker 1: stir up some sure, and I was like, I'm confused
Speaker 1: as to what's happening here. And then I remember feeling
Speaker 1: weird because for the for the first many episodes you did,
Speaker 1: we never had a scene together, so I never even
Speaker 1: really got to see you. There was like one night
Speaker 1: we all went to a bar and I was like,
Speaker 1: I feel as though a wedge is happening and it's
Speaker 1: not either of our faults. I feel like I was
Speaker 1: was obbed. Now that you say that we never got
Speaker 1: we didn't really get Taylor and Brooke together, Like what
Speaker 1: a well dynamic duo that would have been on screen.
Speaker 1: Those two energies, what a force. It's like everything that
Speaker 1: we hurricane. That would have been yes, because we were
Speaker 1: scared of us together, because like Nikki and Rachel were
Speaker 1: such clear villains, but Taylor wasn't. Taylor was like a
Speaker 1: complicated girl, but you know, she had all that lively
Speaker 1: energy and she had a little bit of that vixen
Speaker 1: in her, but she also had this like she had
Speaker 1: this vulnerability. And I think there was a very similar
Speaker 1: thread with Brooke in that way on different levels. But um,
Speaker 1: we could never really get that Brooke partnership of matching
Speaker 1: energy with Nikki or with Rachel because they were just
Speaker 1: so bad and that's not who Brooke is. That would
Speaker 1: have been really fun. It would have been really cool,
Speaker 1: and I think there could have been like in my head,
Speaker 1: I see it almost like an old Western duel, like
Speaker 1: when two people are like, there's only room for one
Speaker 1: of us around here, and then but then they could
Speaker 1: have wound up being like great friends. You know, that
Speaker 1: would have been great. They robbed us, they did, they did,
Speaker 1: It would have been fun. We've really realized I got
Speaker 1: robbed in season two. I got robbed of a Taylor storyline.
Speaker 1: I got robbed of making out with Hu, which, by
Speaker 1: the way, Lindsay, have you heard this. Michael Truco just
Speaker 1: dropped the bomb on us that the writers pitched that
Speaker 1: Uncle Cooper and Brooke Davis were supposed to be a couple,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I was being robbed. That would
Speaker 1: have been so fun. This has been a season where
Speaker 1: I've been thieved from the should have ponied up. They
Speaker 1: paid him more on Battlestar. He had this off over
Speaker 1: two shows. They didn't pony up. I know you, um,
Speaker 1: but but with the connections that you got to build
Speaker 1: on the show because you guys worked together on Guiding
Speaker 1: Light before, right, didn't which is crazy? Is that just
Speaker 1: a rumor? We played the same character? She played it first?
Speaker 1: You were the baby right? No, wait, you weren't Michelle.
Speaker 1: You weren't Michelle. You were Mara, right yeah, I was
Speaker 1: so you were Brittney Snow's character. I think No, No,
Speaker 1: that was Susan who played Mara like other girls. There
Speaker 1: were a couple of other girls, but Mara was younger.
Speaker 1: Laura something Bundy, Oh yeah, Laura Bundy. She's so talented.
Speaker 1: Have you ever seen her? On stage. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I just saw her Juice Sweet Charity in l a
Speaker 1: if you I mean like she just she's so unbelievably talented. Anyway,
Speaker 1: Laura Bundy, go look at Laura Bell Bundy. Okay, yeah, okay, wait,
Speaker 1: but how did you guys ever worked so right? So
Speaker 1: I'm getting no. No, we were on the show at
Speaker 1: different times. I don't know if you came on when
Speaker 1: I left. I think maybe you came on when I left,
Speaker 1: because I left a ninety No two thousand, I was
Speaker 1: probably two thousand one or something like that. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: just crisscross. I played a different in New Jersey. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well I lived in New Dy. I was born in Florida,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I lived in New Jersey for most of
Speaker 1: my life. Jersey and we're Summit dude, I always you know,
Speaker 1: my mom's a teen neck girl. That's why I love
Speaker 1: your mom so much. Yeah, we're all Jersey girls or
Speaker 1: Jersey A Jason yet Jersey Adjason. I was in Bergen County,
Speaker 1: so we grew up in Waldwick and the fighting, yeah
Speaker 1: it fits, it's all. It's spaking Bobby. I just want
Speaker 1: a T shirt that says we blame Bobby. So you
Speaker 1: guys didn't work together on that show, but obviously, like
Speaker 1: I knew of each other. Do you feel like when
Speaker 1: you first came to Wilmington's lens, Like, did you guys
Speaker 1: bond quickly? Did you did you go on like a
Speaker 1: walk to create a sister backstory or did it all
Speaker 1: just happen on set. I don't know if we knew
Speaker 1: of each other Um when I first got on or
Speaker 1: if we found that out, like in the duration of
Speaker 1: our time together. Um Joy was always just so nice
Speaker 1: and welcoming. Honestly, probably the most welcoming person that Um
Speaker 1: I experienced at the time. I remember though, like we
Speaker 1: did not sister bond, because back then I was complicated
Speaker 1: like Taylor, Like not as crazy as Taylor, but pretty complicated.
Speaker 1: And I just remember Hillary, You're so sorry. Not Hillary, Bethany,
Speaker 1: Um You're so sweet. But I just remember you asking me,
Speaker 1: like one time if I wanted to knit with you,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, you're asking the wrong girl. You but
Speaker 1: that is gorgeous, Oh my gosh, that is gorgeous. Remember
Speaker 1: the way you came on. Everybody calls me Joy, by
Speaker 1: the way you called me Bethany went that they know
Speaker 1: it's confusing because we haven't talked to each other in
Speaker 1: a while, and you know, so I get it. I
Speaker 1: have other friends who I have other friends who I
Speaker 1: talked with kind of frequently. That's still like call me Bethany,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm like whatever. I'll respond to whatever. Apparently you
Speaker 1: like that better, So that's old patterns. Yeah. I remember
Speaker 1: when you came on that. UM, I remember being really
Speaker 1: impressed by how talented you were, and that always, that
Speaker 1: always kind of wins my heart. I think as an
Speaker 1: artist when I am working with someone, UM, I am
Speaker 1: immediately drawn to people that I really feel a m
Speaker 1: combative is the wrong word. UM. When you're when you're
Speaker 1: you're playing with each other, you're bouncing things off of
Speaker 1: each other, and it's like a banter. Yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: it's like a like a choreographed street fight, you know,
Speaker 1: in the in the scene, and whatever I threw at
Speaker 1: you threw something back, and then I could throw something
Speaker 1: back at you and it was fun and I loved
Speaker 1: doing that with you and so and then there was
Speaker 1: an immediate respect of Oh, I really respect this person
Speaker 1: because she's really smart, and she's in the moment and
Speaker 1: she's an artist that I can relate to UM. And
Speaker 1: then I also could sense that you were going through
Speaker 1: some stuff just in your personal life, which we all
Speaker 1: go through seasons of that, and UM, and I was too,
Speaker 1: And I think it was just that just made me
Speaker 1: kind of I don't know, I just I wanted to connect,
Speaker 1: but I also didn't want it to be there's also
Speaker 1: a part of UM when you have to play really
Speaker 1: when you do have to play specifically combative characters, you
Speaker 1: don't always want to become really good friends. Sometimes it's
Speaker 1: helpful to like not know the person too well so
Speaker 1: that you can be honestly in the moment without feeling
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I guess, I guess it
Speaker 1: could go either way, because I could still do that
Speaker 1: with my best friends too, But UM, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm babbling now. Someone say me, no,
Speaker 1: you know what's interesting about watching you guys talk about
Speaker 1: that kind of energy. I I remembering that year feel
Speaker 1: exactly the same way. Like we were sort of all
Speaker 1: treated like we were grown ups, but we were all
Speaker 1: twenty two years old and like trying to figure out
Speaker 1: our places in the world, and everybody had a lot
Speaker 1: going on behind the scenes, And I remember like even
Speaker 1: with kind of how weird some of the energy was
Speaker 1: with some of those boys on set being like, ah,
Speaker 1: I don't have the skills to know how to address
Speaker 1: this or or or bring it out or talk about it.
Speaker 1: I feel weird. I feel embarrassed at Like there there
Speaker 1: was a lot of our youth and our inability to
Speaker 1: navigate these grown up situations while everyone was treating us
Speaker 1: like we were supposed to be grown ups. That I
Speaker 1: think made us all just go like you throw something
Speaker 1: in the middle and be like do you want to knit?
Speaker 1: Or like do you want to go for a lot? Okay, forget,
Speaker 1: I asked, and then we'd like run the other way
Speaker 1: an island in North Carolina, Like yeah, totally beautiful and
Speaker 1: awkward when when you say, um, you know you were
Speaker 1: in a moment of transition, as I think again many
Speaker 1: of us were at that time, and we didn't know
Speaker 1: how to talk about it. Did that Did that let
Speaker 1: you kind of put some of your personal um depth
Speaker 1: under Taylor? Like like when you read the script and
Speaker 1: found out, Okay, troubled older sister kicked out of college,
Speaker 1: big reveal that you know she hooked up with Haley's husband, Like, oh, God,
Speaker 1: how am I going to ground her? Like? How did
Speaker 1: you begin to approach this person? Because you put a
Speaker 1: lot in her that wasn't on the page, and then
Speaker 1: eventually they wrote for it. Yeah. Yeah, I think honestly,
Speaker 1: back then it wasn't even that complex. Inside of my brain,
Speaker 1: I think I was just it was something natural for
Speaker 1: me to like play into and then also like be
Speaker 1: seen and be vulnerable in that. Um is how like
Speaker 1: you guys got to see Taylor and then as I
Speaker 1: came back to it older with more life lessons, more
Speaker 1: awareness and had the scenes with Lydia and the sisters
Speaker 1: and got to actually like break down and show why
Speaker 1: Taylor is the way that she is, you know, and
Speaker 1: explain that a little bit more. I think that's when
Speaker 1: I really like I thought about it and had awareness
Speaker 1: about it. Well, that's It's that's the testament to what
Speaker 1: a good actressy or that you're just so in the
Speaker 1: moment that you know, you just show up and it
Speaker 1: comes out of you, regardless of you know, whether there's
Speaker 1: been a lot to work with so far or not.
Speaker 1: You know, m um, I God, I wish you were
Speaker 1: in this episode. That would have been really fun to
Speaker 1: see see Taylor. I think dev sort of took over
Speaker 1: the the mischief role in this episode, but I think
Speaker 1: we have to get to Dan first before we talk
Speaker 1: about deb Um. I don't know if they're really well, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: let's start. Should we start with Dan? Should we start
Speaker 1: with Dan? Let's start with Dan. Dan. It's so many
Speaker 1: I was so confused during this whole episode because I
Speaker 1: was like, why is he Why is he doing all
Speaker 1: this stuff in front of an open window, and why
Speaker 1: is like why are people stalking him from like directly
Speaker 1: outside the window where he can see them in their cars?
Speaker 1: Like it's just so dumb to me. Um, and I
Speaker 1: kind of had that, like, he's not going to see
Speaker 1: Lucas sitting in a car in the center of the dealer.
Speaker 1: And then Andy tiled him the deal like I own
Speaker 1: the security company that installed your cameras, and yet Dan
Speaker 1: still opens up his safe in front of the camera.
Speaker 1: It just all seemed so choreographed, and I just wasn't
Speaker 1: buying it. And then we find out it was choreographed.
Speaker 1: He was building an escape game escape room for Lucas,
Speaker 1: for Lucas and uh and he Lucas failed, of course,
Speaker 1: because Dan once again outsmart at everyone. Um, but he
Speaker 1: outsmart at everyone in the dumbest way possible. I know. Like,
Speaker 1: I just couldn't believe that Deb wouldn't know that she
Speaker 1: owns the company and she would be taking that risk. Like,
Speaker 1: why was that a surprise? She's such a smart woman.
Speaker 1: I didn't get it. She should have signed something at
Speaker 1: one point right with her name on it. Maybe she
Speaker 1: forgot because of all the pills. Maybe, I mean, because
Speaker 1: it's been so long, Like Dan got the As the
Speaker 1: story goes, Dan got the loan from Deb's parents, I
Speaker 1: guess right after high school or you know, when he
Speaker 1: quit playing ball midway through college to start the business.
Speaker 1: So you know, that's at least what eighteen years ago
Speaker 1: or something. But this can't be the first time in
Speaker 1: history somebody's owned a business and someone who was a
Speaker 1: co owner or technically working for them or whatever did
Speaker 1: shady and then the owner of the business had to
Speaker 1: you know, report them. Yeah, it was liable or something.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Why wouldn't she just go to the
Speaker 1: police and be like, this was happening without my knowledge.
Speaker 1: He would make it look like it was with her
Speaker 1: not I mean, that's the point is, is what it
Speaker 1: really plays into is this overarching theme of he does
Speaker 1: the work to entrap people. And I think that's what
Speaker 1: was so surprising, you know, for our friends at home,
Speaker 1: the three of us, while we watched this episode today,
Speaker 1: we're just kind of shocked how overtly abuse that is scary.
Speaker 1: It is, you know, for to watch a woman, a
Speaker 1: character like Deb say we have to get out and
Speaker 1: then not know that she'll be able to UM, it
Speaker 1: kind of give me chills at moments, you know, because
Speaker 1: especially in more recent years, as we've had conversations as
Speaker 1: a society about why women often can't just leave. UM.
Speaker 1: I was like, my god, we really leaned hard in
Speaker 1: these episodes into a controlling husband storyline UM in a
Speaker 1: way that I was like, well, this doesn't it doesn't
Speaker 1: feel like entertainment to me. This feels really dark and scary.
Speaker 1: It's it's real, it's very real, and he we they've
Speaker 1: been building up Dan's Uh. I don't know. A dastardliness
Speaker 1: is a is a light funny word for something that's
Speaker 1: much darker. But they've been they've been building up the
Speaker 1: vileness of his character. Maybe it's more accurate over the
Speaker 1: last I mean, you guys didn't see the last episode,
Speaker 1: but that was the one where Moira Karen goes into
Speaker 1: the office to yell at him about something and he
Speaker 1: before she walks out, he grabs her and like kiss,
Speaker 1: he forces her to kiss him, and uh, and then
Speaker 1: she know she of course picks up a chair and
Speaker 1: throws it through the giant glass window. Um. But yeah,
Speaker 1: there's just been a massive, massive pattern with him, and
Speaker 1: it's it's alarming that Nathan and deb Or even having
Speaker 1: a conversation so casually about it, like Dad's never gonna
Speaker 1: let us go, I'll find a way out. But it's
Speaker 1: not a hushed, dramatic, scary conversation. It's just it's conversation,
Speaker 1: like daily just conversation. It's so disturbing about it that
Speaker 1: it's so normal. I wonder if they wanted to push
Speaker 1: further and further into that disturbing energy because they had
Speaker 1: the plan of setting the dealership on fire at the
Speaker 1: end of the season. Yeah, they had to make us
Speaker 1: hate him so much. They had to make everyone hate
Speaker 1: Dance so much that people would be happy to potentially
Speaker 1: you see him injured or die. He's point, He's gone
Speaker 1: through a heart attack, he like died and came back
Speaker 1: to life. Basically, he's had so many chances where he's
Speaker 1: come back and been like I'm a new man and
Speaker 1: then nope, nope, nope, nope. So yeah, I think he's
Speaker 1: like he's outrun his his nine lives. And uh, I mean,
Speaker 1: as we know that he doesn't die, but he has lives.
Speaker 1: Even white he hates him. But we couldn't figure out
Speaker 1: why I was. I was, I was so confused as
Speaker 1: to why Dan said he was going to get Whitey
Speaker 1: kicked out as the coach because he meddled. I'm like,
Speaker 1: what did Whitey do? He showed up to greet deb
Speaker 1: and then what we didn't in a walk and but
Speaker 1: we don't know what happened? Did they cut it out?
Speaker 1: That was a miss. That was a miss to not
Speaker 1: know what happened. Yeah, okay, what did you say? That's
Speaker 1: the next season? Maybe there but it but it was
Speaker 1: just so it probably will be revealed. It must be revealed.
Speaker 1: Unless it was there was a line of something, I mean,
Speaker 1: what do you just sounded like a ray the announcer.
Speaker 1: It must be revealed love next week, it must be revealed. Well,
Speaker 1: I gotta say a lot happn't Yeah, that was pretty strange.
Speaker 1: I mean it was a very exciting scene. Dan and
Speaker 1: Whitey over the table each other's faces, like two old
Speaker 1: cowboys just yelling at each other. But I didn't know
Speaker 1: what was going on. We were so surprised by the rage. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I thought Whitey might have been the one who
Speaker 1: who in the end was poisoning Dan. I love that trick,
Speaker 1: the poisoning. Oh you Scotch, here's a weird for everything
Speaker 1: you've done. Everything you've done, This is a really weird
Speaker 1: piece of trivia. But I think I texted you and
Speaker 1: Hillary about this the other day. So that um, the
Speaker 1: woman in the like seventeen hundreds in Italy who yes
Speaker 1: selling beauty. She was selling beauty products, but they were
Speaker 1: actually tinctures and powders and things that looked like a
Speaker 1: compact for powder, you know back then, but it was
Speaker 1: really powder poison for women to poison their husbands. So
Speaker 1: she and she had this whole ring of women who
Speaker 1: were selling selling the product for her and going out
Speaker 1: and so the men thought their wives were just going
Speaker 1: shopping for beauty products and coming home. But then there
Speaker 1: was this like massive, uh scattering of dead husbands throughout
Speaker 1: the Mediterranean region. Hey, the abusers got what was coming
Speaker 1: to them. Yeah, apparently what a story. I know. So
Speaker 1: Deb jumped on the train of a legacy long existing.
Speaker 1: What country was this? In Italy? Italy? It was she
Speaker 1: was using? Um what was the poison? I have to go,
Speaker 1: I'll go find it. I can't remember. We'll send you
Speaker 1: the article. It's fascinating. That's super interesting. Uh. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm for sure it was Deb. I thought for a
Speaker 1: second maybe it was Keith to the dealership the end,
Speaker 1: but I think it. I think it's dead that black
Speaker 1: especially would black leather on. Yeah, especially because they gave
Speaker 1: us the misdirect in the Dan and Whitey fight. Whitey
Speaker 1: is like you're going to burn you know. They want
Speaker 1: you to think it's Whitey, but it's not. It's too obvious.
Speaker 1: And I think especially um Barbara has such a beautiful
Speaker 1: opportunity in this episode, and she plays the scene so well,
Speaker 1: you know, coming home and realizing it's more manipulation on
Speaker 1: Dan's part, and for her that line in the sand
Speaker 1: of Dan told Nathan it was all his fault. It's
Speaker 1: like there's nothing she won't stop at to protect her
Speaker 1: son and it and it's really interesting. You know her
Speaker 1: talking about being very clear for the first time. She's um,
Speaker 1: she's determined in a way we haven't seen before. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure, she feels she's she's like the Italian poison lady.
Speaker 1: She's ready. Yeah, she's finding a tradition of poisoning wives.
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. I thought she was
Speaker 1: beautiful in the episode. I also thought James was so good.
Speaker 1: He Um, he does this thing sometimes where he really
Speaker 1: does feel like a sixteen year old boy. He leaned
Speaker 1: I mean two years that's probably why, Um, but he would,
Speaker 1: he would really lean into that like young boy kind
Speaker 1: of combination of anger and hurt and and he was
Speaker 1: never ashamed to show that, to be vulnerable like that.
Speaker 1: And you see him feeling like his world is falling
Speaker 1: a partist to move back in with Dan, you know,
Speaker 1: he finds out Lucas's lied to him, he finds out
Speaker 1: Haley is Cynthia nor Papers, it's all it's all just
Speaker 1: painful and and like early days, Nathan kind of comes
Speaker 1: out Yeah, where he's got boundaries. He knows how to
Speaker 1: stand up for himself. He may not have known how
Speaker 1: to use those boundaries before, but he's growing into his
Speaker 1: own as a young man. It's it's cool to see.
Speaker 1: I love that for Nathan. Yeah, and when he's in pain,
Speaker 1: it makes you sad. You're like, oh no, not more,
Speaker 1: not more for for our guy. I'm just asking our
Speaker 1: producers what the Tennessee Williams quote was, because I'm liking
Speaker 1: the quotes that we're having on these episodes. The last
Speaker 1: one was the George Bernard Shaw quote that said there
Speaker 1: are two great tragedies in life, to lose the desires
Speaker 1: of one's heart and then to gain them. And uh,
Speaker 1: and I like this Tennessee Williams quote too, which I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what that is in a second. But I
Speaker 1: think it's kind of fun to talk about the concept
Speaker 1: of of what these are. But in the meantime, Brooke,
Speaker 1: can we talk about Brooke? She had the best dialogue
Speaker 1: in this episode. You had so much it was so fun.
Speaker 1: I really did, okay, Brooke. Was this the first appearance
Speaker 1: of hose over Bros. I don't know, I really it
Speaker 1: really might have been, or maybe it just hit hard.
Speaker 1: We're going to need the fans to answer that question.
Speaker 1: Part of part of me wonders if when Brooke invented
Speaker 1: the selfie in season one with the polaroid camera. I'm
Speaker 1: going to hold on to that really forever. Uh if
Speaker 1: she said it to Payton, I don't remember, but it
Speaker 1: we all when we heard when we heard it went Brooke,
Speaker 1: I mean she had Okay, first Lucas, then Jake, now Nathan.
Speaker 1: I guess Slutty is in season funny. And then because
Speaker 1: I'm leaving tomorrow for the summer, maybe forever, and my
Speaker 1: best friend is having WHU do winnos in poor play
Speaker 1: with kind of married guys, which is a kind of
Speaker 1: a fun tie in with her walking in on When
Speaker 1: you didn't watch this last episode, Haley, Brooke and Lucas
Speaker 1: came to New York to see Haley and they walk
Speaker 1: in and she's on the couch doing the exact same
Speaker 1: thing that Peyton and Nathan were doing with Chris, like
Speaker 1: giggly and tikoli and stuff um. And then this one
Speaker 1: phantom feelings like when you lose a leg and try
Speaker 1: and scratch it. Lucas was my gangering, infected amputated leg.
Speaker 1: I really loved it all. I loved when they gave
Speaker 1: me that kind of comedy to work with. It was
Speaker 1: just always such a blast. Well, what I loved is
Speaker 1: in the end when Lucas kisses you. That did surprise me.
Speaker 1: That was a nice It was a nice surprise. Uh.
Speaker 1: It's a really good scene, especially after how intensely uncomfortable
Speaker 1: the dream sea because we all you guy, we all
Speaker 1: forgot that that was a dream, and so we're sitting
Speaker 1: here going, this is ridiculous what guy wrote she and
Speaker 1: what a fantasy she's in her cheer lady universe. Like
Speaker 1: we were so mad, and then we were like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: because it's a teenage boys dream, got it cool? Okay?
Speaker 1: And so it made it made the scene between the
Speaker 1: two of us, between Brook and Lucas so sweet because
Speaker 1: you've seen this very overtly stereotypical dream and then the
Speaker 1: hilarious comedy of like the cold shower and they're bickering
Speaker 1: almost like siblings because they lived together at this point,
Speaker 1: and then the vulnerability and and was was surprising, and
Speaker 1: I thought, was so he he did such a nice
Speaker 1: job in that scene. I just really he felt very
Speaker 1: real and authentic to me. And uh, and I really
Speaker 1: liked to watching you start the scene in a really happy, funny,
Speaker 1: playful place and then have that immediate switch into something
Speaker 1: really vulnerable. I always love when actors do that. It's
Speaker 1: fun to see it because it's like it's happening in
Speaker 1: real time. So great. Yeah, and it's interesting because it
Speaker 1: felt like a big payoff. Brooke is growing and learning
Speaker 1: to be more in touch with her feelings and more
Speaker 1: responsible with her feelings, and she really is trying to
Speaker 1: put on a brave face for everyone, thinking that Lucas
Speaker 1: still has feelings for Peyton. She she kind of offers
Speaker 1: that up to Peyton. She she's really trying to lean
Speaker 1: into this is the lesson and that wasn't good for me,
Speaker 1: and it really hurts, but I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 1: grow from it. It's so much effort for a young girl,
Speaker 1: and then all of her sort of strength, the mask
Speaker 1: she's been putting on of like I can handle this.
Speaker 1: He pierces that when he kisses her in the end,
Speaker 1: and I was surprised, you know, not remembering the episode
Speaker 1: at at the you know, the reaction to it, how
Speaker 1: how much it threw her. I was like, Oh, I
Speaker 1: like this. I like the way we played this. Have
Speaker 1: you guys ever had that happen to you where you're like,
Speaker 1: it's just the worst timing. Ever, and someone tells you
Speaker 1: drops like a feelings bomb on you like that, and
Speaker 1: you're just like, uh, what do I do? No? Never,
Speaker 1: I feel like people would be so intimidated to drop
Speaker 1: of feelings. Probably I'm like, no, I could either like
Speaker 1: get it out of that or lindsay ge you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever that's ever happened to me either,
Speaker 1: And it's making me think of what a big deal
Speaker 1: it is for a high school boy to do something
Speaker 1: like that. I think I probably have been the one
Speaker 1: dropping feelings bombs on people, especially my high school career,
Speaker 1: and you know, with romance, Oh my god, I definitely
Speaker 1: went through it once. And I will say like, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know if it's the the sort
Speaker 1: of empathetic nature of my relationships with people, but I
Speaker 1: for sure wound up in a relationship once because someone
Speaker 1: was like, but I'm in love with you, and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, this must be it, Like wow,
Speaker 1: I just didn't see it. And then I was like no, wait.
Speaker 1: I was like, but I don't. I don't have it's
Speaker 1: not my responsibility to help you with this feeling. I
Speaker 1: don't I don't feel this feeling. I'm confused, how did
Speaker 1: I get here? It can That's why they call it
Speaker 1: love bombing, because it can really Like what did you?
Speaker 1: Says Bobby on the playground. I was like, why are
Speaker 1: you doing this to me? I just want to go
Speaker 1: on the swings and handle the feelings Bob. I can't
Speaker 1: handle on Bob. Oh my god. There were so many
Speaker 1: big feelings in this episode also, I need to say,
Speaker 1: especially because of how beautiful that in sequence was, Lavinia
Speaker 1: by the Veils, so emotionally every song in this episode
Speaker 1: is so good. Yeah, I want a c D of
Speaker 1: just a c D. I want to I want to
Speaker 1: see I would like a laser disc. Please? Could someone
Speaker 1: make me a mix tape of this soundtrack? Just this episode?
Speaker 1: It's so great. It was so good. I actually found
Speaker 1: an old tape player the other day, like a like
Speaker 1: a cassette deck. Yeah. It was like a thing that's
Speaker 1: you know that opens up and you put you slide
Speaker 1: the tape in and then you close it play welcome
Speaker 1: Yet what was it called? No, it's for recording. It's
Speaker 1: like got a big speak the rectangle with the speaker
Speaker 1: on that side. Yea love it that reminds me of
Speaker 1: like the era of risky business. Oh yeah, I couldn't
Speaker 1: find any tapes though, who keeps tapes around? You guys
Speaker 1: still have any tapes? I don't know. I think I
Speaker 1: threw away. Yeah. I went through like a real Marie
Speaker 1: Condo phase before Marie Condo was a thing, and I
Speaker 1: just was like, these these these like books of CDs
Speaker 1: are making me feel stressed. It's the opposite of sparking joy.
Speaker 1: And I like took them all apart and recycled everything.
Speaker 1: I was like, I gotta get out of here, and
Speaker 1: now I kind of regret it. I'm like, man, I
Speaker 1: had like a pretty wild c D library in high
Speaker 1: school and maybe I should have kept it, but probably not. Well,
Speaker 1: this episode, we had some amazing songs in this episode.
Speaker 1: What where's the list? I want to see? Is that
Speaker 1: in our well? Well, Andrew Paul Woodres did that really
Speaker 1: emotional cover of Fight for Your Right to Party. It
Speaker 1: was like a song on a guitar in the beginning.
Speaker 1: That was so good. And then we went into the
Speaker 1: Wreckers Um we went into that Susie Saw Song Petrified
Speaker 1: to be Godlike and then Cracks in the Sky. I
Speaker 1: mean everything Audio Slave, It was all just so good
Speaker 1: and poignant, and I don't know our our musical supervisors,
Speaker 1: I think, especially by the end of season two, had
Speaker 1: gotten our show in such a good place, known for
Speaker 1: being a place that broke bands and broke new songs,
Speaker 1: and so I feel like suddenly we were entering into
Speaker 1: this era um where we really had kind of the
Speaker 1: pick of the litter in terms of music, and every
Speaker 1: moment is so good, which not every show gets that.
Speaker 1: I was like, how did you guys rights to all
Speaker 1: of these songs? That was our thing? It became more
Speaker 1: thing because you know, gossip Girl had the glam element.
Speaker 1: They had this sort of the younger crowd Sex in
Speaker 1: the City version, Like the kids that weren't allowed to
Speaker 1: watch Sex and the City were allowed to watch gossip Girl,
Speaker 1: but you know, and they had that that was the
Speaker 1: kind of their thing. So we got music, which I love.
Speaker 1: I'm so much happy about that because it's just some
Speaker 1: have so much more substance to it than fashion. Um,
Speaker 1: God forbid of fashion designer listen to this and think
Speaker 1: that I'm bashing fashion, because I do love fashion. There
Speaker 1: is I guess substance in the art of that. But
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, in terms of the music.
Speaker 1: I love that we brought that on our show. Um,
Speaker 1: are you musical at all? Lindsay, m hmmm, not at all. Now.
Speaker 1: I took singing lessons for for a very short while,
Speaker 1: and I was able to get to the point where
Speaker 1: I could hear, you know, the actual resonance that like
Speaker 1: was me. That came for me one day and I
Speaker 1: was like, who is that? That's incredible? But you didn't
Speaker 1: follow through with it. You didn't want to keep going.
Speaker 1: I was like, this is gonna take so long. It's
Speaker 1: just note. I'm just like, I can't It wasn't. My
Speaker 1: thing was like, what are your outlets? Like? For me
Speaker 1: singing a musical, you know, and for a lot of
Speaker 1: musicians that is the outlet. So for someone who's not musical,
Speaker 1: what do you love to do? There's like a pole
Speaker 1: dance sensual creative, artistic dance that I do with a
Speaker 1: group of women that is but not awesome. Me in
Speaker 1: the fullness of like my being and my power and
Speaker 1: my sensuality is like next level. And then you get
Speaker 1: to likes with women while doing that is like that's
Speaker 1: where like the most of my joy comes from. Is
Speaker 1: it a class or do you do performances where ideally
Speaker 1: we would like to do performances. Um, during COVID we
Speaker 1: lost our studio and so now women have like formed
Speaker 1: little smaller into together and tomorrow we're going and doing
Speaker 1: like one of our first workshops at a new kind
Speaker 1: of Moroccan studio. Whoa, but it's our dream to have
Speaker 1: a studio that also has like you can have tea
Speaker 1: and you can have a sauna and you can you know, yes,
Speaker 1: ship type of a thing, and then also to get
Speaker 1: on stage with it or do you know, kind of
Speaker 1: intimate performances. Wow, that's cool. It's you've got to be
Speaker 1: really strong for that. Pole dancing is I've done a
Speaker 1: few aerial arts classes. I've been starting to get into that.
Speaker 1: I think I've probably done like ten classes now and
Speaker 1: I'm I love it. Uh, It's been hard for me
Speaker 1: to be consistent because I travel so much. But um,
Speaker 1: it's requires so much more strength than you think it does. Um,
Speaker 1: I want it gets used to it. Obviously it's much easy,
Speaker 1: kind of second nature. But yeah, because it's how long
Speaker 1: did it take before it started to feel really easy?
Speaker 1: Not easy? But know, like so long ago and I've
Speaker 1: gone through so many different iterations of it. Like sometimes
Speaker 1: sometimes I don't even do any poll tricks and I'm
Speaker 1: just like, you know, using the floor for everything. UM.
Speaker 1: I remember I went through like I think there were
Speaker 1: six levels you could get through, UM, and I like
Speaker 1: learned the tricks and could do cool things, but it
Speaker 1: hadn't really integrated smoothly into my body and my fluid
Speaker 1: conversation yet. Um. I had left and came back, and
Speaker 1: then I really feel like I figured out who I
Speaker 1: was through dance and the story like my being and
Speaker 1: my body's telling. And then that happens sometimes like nature
Speaker 1: just kicks in and I'll be upside down on the
Speaker 1: pole and I'll be like, I don't know how I
Speaker 1: got here. It's just muscle memory, and that's just what
Speaker 1: like my erotic creature wanted to do at the time.
Speaker 1: So you're doing like what Jennifer Lopez did in Hustlers,
Speaker 1: I mean kind of. I mean that is amazing because
Speaker 1: wow she was wow. Um yeah. Yeah. But it's also
Speaker 1: it's like it's also tribal. It's also primal and like
Speaker 1: you know, what we used to do, probably the way
Speaker 1: women used to move when we were in Ville and
Speaker 1: we were telling story and song and dance, so it
Speaker 1: has the very visceral and it's interesting too because so
Speaker 1: much of women's connection to their bodies has been eviscerated
Speaker 1: because of patriarchal shame. Like sex, sex is bad, sensuality
Speaker 1: is bad, but it's that's also so often through the
Speaker 1: male gaze and like to get women back into as
Speaker 1: your The words you're using make me feel so inspired,
Speaker 1: Like it's primal feminine energy. It's powerful, it's sensual, it's
Speaker 1: it's like when you hear people talk about goddess energy,
Speaker 1: like recognizing the sacred of the feminine is it's so
Speaker 1: much more elevated and spiritual than many of the ways
Speaker 1: I think women have been quote allowed totally. And when
Speaker 1: you watch women in their bodies this and be embodied
Speaker 1: in this, you realize why it was so threatening. M
Speaker 1: hm is the most miraculous, powerful thing you've ever seen
Speaker 1: in your entire life. And Holly in a wonder this
Speaker 1: had to be squelched, you know, it was very like
Speaker 1: whether it just wasn't the time or whatever, it's going
Speaker 1: to take a really strong masculine to be able to
Speaker 1: handle the of the true feminine. Yeah, I agree with
Speaker 1: that for sure. Yeah, that's well. Talking about another badass female.
Speaker 1: Cheryl Lee made her appearance in this episode, and she's
Speaker 1: got much more to come. Ellie Harp, I mean, wow,
Speaker 1: I was so excited for Laura Palmer. I mean I
Speaker 1: was like totally geeking out when she came on the show.
Speaker 1: Was super excited. But um, yeah, I was super stoked
Speaker 1: for her to come. Yeah. And and it was so
Speaker 1: cool too to see Peyton in this moment where she's
Speaker 1: having a hard time and trying to keep it all
Speaker 1: together and Ellie comes in and and the way that
Speaker 1: Cheryl played it, she she kind of like got under
Speaker 1: Peyton's mask really quickly and with matched her energy in
Speaker 1: a similar way that most adults don't. And and you
Speaker 1: see it like her choices made this kind of maternal
Speaker 1: connection feel right Like in the reveal at the end,
Speaker 1: you go, oh, this makes all the sense in the world.
Speaker 1: And I just I thought that was so beautiful. My
Speaker 1: name is Elizabeth, like your middle name gave me chills.
Speaker 1: That was nicely done. Oh I'm so excited. Also, how
Speaker 1: cool to know the origin story of the jacket, Like
Speaker 1: Hillary has talked so much Lindsay on our show about
Speaker 1: you know, she has that jacket from that's like her
Speaker 1: favorite memento from One Tree Hill, Ellie's leather jacket. And
Speaker 1: and I I forgot. I knew it was hers, but
Speaker 1: I forgot about the whole Courtney love story being this
Speaker 1: rock and roll journalist. And I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: Peyton's jackets, Courtney loves jacket like it was so it
Speaker 1: was so fun great. I loved it. Um, guys, I
Speaker 1: think we've got like eight minutes or something left with lindsay, so,
Speaker 1: can we do some fan my questions? Yes, Okay, let's
Speaker 1: do it. Where are they? Um, let's see from Heather.
Speaker 1: Is it common on TV shows to have different directors
Speaker 1: for each episode? If so, why is that? And if not,
Speaker 1: why did y'all seem to have so many? That's a
Speaker 1: good question. I just I liked this question. You guys
Speaker 1: have so many? Um, yeah, it's common. A different director
Speaker 1: usually does different Yeah. Network to have a very much
Speaker 1: smaller pool. Well so, And the reason is it's it's
Speaker 1: about the way we shoot, because when you're shooting a
Speaker 1: network show, you are filming while the show is airing,
Speaker 1: and for the folks at home, Um, directors don't just
Speaker 1: come in and start directing on day one. If a
Speaker 1: show shoots for eight days, um, like ours did, the
Speaker 1: directors also get eight days of prep, which is when
Speaker 1: they go on location scouts, they meet with the dps,
Speaker 1: they visit every set, they select all the wardrobe for
Speaker 1: their episode. They're working on the script, So they have
Speaker 1: eight days of prep, eight days of shooting, and then
Speaker 1: they have another eight days of post production when they
Speaker 1: are editing their episode, you know, cutting the scenes, picking
Speaker 1: the music, and so it actually takes much longer to
Speaker 1: direct an episode than just the amount of time that
Speaker 1: filming takes. And so, um, the the person who is
Speaker 1: directing let's say Episode eleven is prep being while episode
Speaker 1: tennis shooting, and then likewise it continues, and so there
Speaker 1: has to be a different director in each episode so
Speaker 1: that they can rotate through the season and stay on
Speaker 1: schedule for you know, some cable shows like Joys talking
Speaker 1: about if it's like let's say it's a six episode
Speaker 1: mini series, they have all six episodes written and locked
Speaker 1: at job done before exactly before they start shooting, and
Speaker 1: then they'll have one director do that whole project for
Speaker 1: like three months. Um. But in network TV, they rotate
Speaker 1: so they can do pre they can do prep shooting
Speaker 1: and post in blocks. I also didn't realize you guys
Speaker 1: were of the era of doing twenty two episode. It
Speaker 1: was I don't think anybody, No, I don't think so,
Speaker 1: I don't know. We we survived barely, barely, which feels crazy. Oh,
Speaker 1: this is funny for Olivia, she said. Olivia says, what
Speaker 1: do you do when you're supposed to shoot all day
Speaker 1: but you wake up sick? I clearly had a cold
Speaker 1: in the last episode. You could hear my voice. Did
Speaker 1: you do you get sick days? And do they have
Speaker 1: to cancel shooting or film a different scene if you
Speaker 1: can't make it? Uh, it depends on how sick you are.
Speaker 1: You just basically have to take some suit of ft
Speaker 1: or whatever. Yeah, I mean if you The thing is,
Speaker 1: don't come to work if you are if you have
Speaker 1: the flu. I've never seen anybody come to work with
Speaker 1: the like a proper flu where you're you have growing
Speaker 1: up and like a fever. I had all this stuff
Speaker 1: going on, and I was like, you're still you work,
Speaker 1: You just work ya? Wow? Yeah, okay, well yeah. I
Speaker 1: The only time I remember us ever changing the schedule
Speaker 1: in nine years was when one of our coworkers got
Speaker 1: really sick and was in the hospital for two days.
Speaker 1: And unless literally they expect you to come to work
Speaker 1: unless you're in the hospital. And I actually on a
Speaker 1: show years ago, I was working in Chicago. I had meningitis.
Speaker 1: I spent thirty six hours in the emergency room. I
Speaker 1: was really really sick. Um And they literally came and
Speaker 1: pulled me out of the hospital and took me to work.
Speaker 1: They were like, it doesn't matter. You gotta stand in
Speaker 1: the corner. You've got to be in the scene. We
Speaker 1: don't have anything left to shoot that you're not in. Oh,
Speaker 1: it was it was insane, um. But you know, it's
Speaker 1: it's kind of that's such a lack of creativity. Sorry,
Speaker 1: it's a lack of creativity. But it's also you know,
Speaker 1: the a show is kind of like it's a bureaucracy.
Speaker 1: It's so big, it's hundreds of people doing a job,
Speaker 1: so there isn't really room to miss one person. It
Speaker 1: throws the whole machine off. Um, So it can be
Speaker 1: really complicated, which is get complicated. Yeah, yeah, no, understand,
Speaker 1: it's not like theater. I do wonder how um us
Speaker 1: getting a little clearer on public health with the pandemic
Speaker 1: and how actually crazy it is that people used to
Speaker 1: go to work when they were sick. I wonder how
Speaker 1: that will affect our industry, if it will, if it'll matter.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's crazy to go to work when
Speaker 1: you're sick. I think like it's just part of be
Speaker 1: Getting sick is part of being alive. It's it's part
Speaker 1: of life. But if you're like actively contagious, it's so disrespectful, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: everybody knows, like everybody. That's the thing is, everyone knows
Speaker 1: if you show up sick. Everyone knows that you're there
Speaker 1: and you're sick, so they just take away from you.
Speaker 1: And you know, you just don't do your kissing scene
Speaker 1: or whatever, and or you just like load up on
Speaker 1: vitamin C and you're like, I'm in a scene with
Speaker 1: somebody who's sick today. I hope I don't catch it. Yeah, well, anyway,
Speaker 1: we have a wheel. We have a most likely two
Speaker 1: wheel to spin. Yeah, we don't know the answers on
Speaker 1: public health everybody, but we do have a wheel and
Speaker 1: we're excited to spend it with Lindsay Okay, who is
Speaker 1: most likely too? That's funny when the worst cook in America.
Speaker 1: Would this actually be like Taylor or Rachel? I just
Speaker 1: don't see. Taylor is the kind of girl who spends
Speaker 1: a lot of time like nurturing a meal, probably microwaves
Speaker 1: an egg or something. Yeah, a little quick dish, I
Speaker 1: will say, so you don't feel alone in it. Brooke
Speaker 1: Davis did set a turkey on fire and season seven
Speaker 1: over Thanksgiving. Yeah, no, I love to cook, but no,
Speaker 1: my alter ego was bad in the kitchen for comedy sake,
Speaker 1: what about in real life? Who's a terrible cook in
Speaker 1: real life? I don't actually know. I'm impress all of
Speaker 1: us in the kitchen. Who's bad? I used to never
Speaker 1: cook until the pandemic and then I really got into
Speaker 1: it for a while. Oh really, how did you start?
Speaker 1: Did you like download an app or what was it? No?
Speaker 1: I had a girlfriend who is a chef, and she
Speaker 1: started making a couple of dishes around me, and I
Speaker 1: was like, this is so good, and she's like it's
Speaker 1: so easy. So I just started making what she made,
Speaker 1: and then I started incorporating a whole bunch of different things,
Speaker 1: and I was like, this is really cool and I'll
Speaker 1: just wing it. Yeah, that's a hard one to answer.
Speaker 1: With actors because artists are typically creative. You know, I
Speaker 1: don't know, I would think that extend. Yeah, that kind
Speaker 1: of extend just to me, but say love me. Well, um,
Speaker 1: it's been fun speculating, Lindsay, thank you so much for
Speaker 1: joining us. I'm so glad that you came. Thank you.
Speaker 1: Next week we've got episode one of season three. We're
Speaker 1: finally out of season two. Lu Yah. Okay, that was
Speaker 1: a rough one. So next one is called like You
Speaker 1: Like an Arsonist. I think this is a pretty famous episode, actually,
Speaker 1: I think so. I'm excited to see what happens. And Lindsay,
Speaker 1: I really hope that you'll come back and join us
Speaker 1: for for more, especially episodes that you're in, because I
Speaker 1: would like to talk to you then, love to do that,
Speaker 1: especially with our scenes and stuff too, and that would
Speaker 1: be wonderful. Yeah, you know what, you really have to
Speaker 1: be here for us, that the pool scene, the big
Speaker 1: oh my god. Yes, oh lots more to come. Thank
Speaker 1: you guys for joining us. We'll see you next week. Back.
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