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Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me. Were all about

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Speaker 1: that high school drama, Girl drama, Girl, all about them

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Speaker 1: high school queens. We'll take you for a rod at

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Speaker 1: our comic girl cheering for the drama queens go up,

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Speaker 1: Girl Drama, Queens drama, Queen's Drawn, mc Queen's Drama, John

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Speaker 1: McQueen's Drama, Queen's Hello, Friends and listeners, let's dive in.

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Speaker 1: I cannot believe we are at the end of season

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Speaker 1: two episode Can you believe twenty three episodes of season

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Speaker 1: two episode twenty three, the Lever's Dance. And should we

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Speaker 1: tell what? Should we? Should we tell them now or

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Speaker 1: us gals have been so blown away by none other

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Speaker 1: then the iconic Taylor James played by the phenomenal Lindsay McKeon,

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Speaker 1: who is my god, so pretty that it hurts to

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Speaker 1: on zoom and I can't believe this is your face. Welcome,

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Speaker 1: what an intro. We're so have you here. So fun

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Speaker 1: You're the best hype squads. Okay, well, Lindsay, why don't

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Speaker 1: season two finale. Lucas continues to spy on Dan. Deb

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Speaker 1: Dan's fate goes up and flame. This was a big episode.

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Speaker 1: This was a big episode. Before we get into that,

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Speaker 1: I want to know, Lindsay, how much of this show

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Speaker 1: have you actually seen? Why do you keep putting me

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Speaker 1: It is, you know, for to watch a woman, a

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Speaker 1: character like Deb say we have to get out and

427
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 1: then not know that she'll be able to UM, it

428
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 1: kind of give me chills at moments, you know, because

429
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 1: especially in more recent years, as we've had conversations as

430
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:03,159
Speaker 1: a society about why women often can't just leave. UM.

431
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 1: I was like, my god, we really leaned hard in

432
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 1: these episodes into a controlling husband storyline UM in a

433
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,359
Speaker 1: way that I was like, well, this doesn't it doesn't

434
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 1: feel like entertainment to me. This feels really dark and scary.

435
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 1: It's it's real, it's very real, and he we they've

436
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 1: been building up Dan's Uh. I don't know. A dastardliness

437
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 1: is a is a light funny word for something that's

438
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 1: much darker. But they've been they've been building up the

439
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 1: vileness of his character. Maybe it's more accurate over the

440
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 1: last I mean, you guys didn't see the last episode,

441
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 1: but that was the one where Moira Karen goes into

442
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 1: the office to yell at him about something and he

443
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,120
Speaker 1: before she walks out, he grabs her and like kiss,

444
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:54,199
Speaker 1: he forces her to kiss him, and uh, and then

445
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 1: she know she of course picks up a chair and

446
00:25:56,080 --> 00:26:02,880
Speaker 1: throws it through the giant glass window. Um. But yeah,

447
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,680
Speaker 1: there's just been a massive, massive pattern with him, and

448
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 1: it's it's alarming that Nathan and deb Or even having

449
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 1: a conversation so casually about it, like Dad's never gonna

450
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 1: let us go, I'll find a way out. But it's

451
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:22,119
Speaker 1: not a hushed, dramatic, scary conversation. It's just it's conversation,

452
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 1: like daily just conversation. It's so disturbing about it that

453
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 1: it's so normal. I wonder if they wanted to push

454
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 1: further and further into that disturbing energy because they had

455
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 1: the plan of setting the dealership on fire at the

456
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 1: end of the season. Yeah, they had to make us

457
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,640
Speaker 1: hate him so much. They had to make everyone hate

458
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 1: Dance so much that people would be happy to potentially

459
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:53,120
Speaker 1: you see him injured or die. He's point, He's gone

460
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 1: through a heart attack, he like died and came back

461
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,160
Speaker 1: to life. Basically, he's had so many chances where he's

462
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,040
Speaker 1: come back and been like I'm a new man and

463
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:04,360
Speaker 1: then nope, nope, nope, nope. So yeah, I think he's

464
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 1: like he's outrun his his nine lives. And uh, I mean,

465
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:14,640
Speaker 1: as we know that he doesn't die, but he has lives.

466
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 1: Even white he hates him. But we couldn't figure out

467
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:23,919
Speaker 1: why I was. I was, I was so confused as

468
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 1: to why Dan said he was going to get Whitey

469
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 1: kicked out as the coach because he meddled. I'm like,

470
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,360
Speaker 1: what did Whitey do? He showed up to greet deb

471
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 1: and then what we didn't in a walk and but

472
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 1: we don't know what happened? Did they cut it out?

473
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 1: That was a miss. That was a miss to not

474
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 1: know what happened. Yeah, okay, what did you say? That's

475
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 1: the next season? Maybe there but it but it was

476
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 1: just so it probably will be revealed. It must be revealed.

477
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 1: Unless it was there was a line of something, I mean,

478
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 1: what do you just sounded like a ray the announcer.

479
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 1: It must be revealed love next week, it must be revealed. Well,

480
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 1: I gotta say a lot happn't Yeah, that was pretty strange.

481
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,159
Speaker 1: I mean it was a very exciting scene. Dan and

482
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 1: Whitey over the table each other's faces, like two old

483
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 1: cowboys just yelling at each other. But I didn't know

484
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 1: what was going on. We were so surprised by the rage. Yeah,

485
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 1: and I thought Whitey might have been the one who

486
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 1: who in the end was poisoning Dan. I love that trick,

487
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 1: the poisoning. Oh you Scotch, here's a weird for everything

488
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 1: you've done. Everything you've done, This is a really weird

489
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 1: piece of trivia. But I think I texted you and

490
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 1: Hillary about this the other day. So that um, the

491
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: woman in the like seventeen hundreds in Italy who yes

492
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:58,719
Speaker 1: selling beauty. She was selling beauty products, but they were

493
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: actually tinctures and powders and things that looked like a

494
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 1: compact for powder, you know back then, but it was

495
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 1: really powder poison for women to poison their husbands. So

496
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 1: she and she had this whole ring of women who

497
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 1: were selling selling the product for her and going out

498
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 1: and so the men thought their wives were just going

499
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: shopping for beauty products and coming home. But then there

500
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: was this like massive, uh scattering of dead husbands throughout

501
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 1: the Mediterranean region. Hey, the abusers got what was coming

502
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: to them. Yeah, apparently what a story. I know. So

503
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: Deb jumped on the train of a legacy long existing.

504
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 1: What country was this? In Italy? Italy? It was she

505
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 1: was using? Um what was the poison? I have to go,

506
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: I'll go find it. I can't remember. We'll send you

507
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: the article. It's fascinating. That's super interesting. Uh. But yeah,

508
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: I'm for sure it was Deb. I thought for a

509
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: second maybe it was Keith to the dealership the end,

510
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 1: but I think it. I think it's dead that black

511
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 1: especially would black leather on. Yeah, especially because they gave

512
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: us the misdirect in the Dan and Whitey fight. Whitey

513
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: is like you're going to burn you know. They want

514
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 1: you to think it's Whitey, but it's not. It's too obvious.

515
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: And I think especially um Barbara has such a beautiful

516
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: opportunity in this episode, and she plays the scene so well,

517
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: you know, coming home and realizing it's more manipulation on

518
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 1: Dan's part, and for her that line in the sand

519
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: of Dan told Nathan it was all his fault. It's

520
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: like there's nothing she won't stop at to protect her

521
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 1: son and it and it's really interesting. You know her

522
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: talking about being very clear for the first time. She's um,

523
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 1: she's determined in a way we haven't seen before. Yeah,

524
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 1: for sure, she feels she's she's like the Italian poison lady.

525
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 1: She's ready. Yeah, she's finding a tradition of poisoning wives.

526
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. I thought she was

527
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 1: beautiful in the episode. I also thought James was so good.

528
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 1: He Um, he does this thing sometimes where he really

529
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: does feel like a sixteen year old boy. He leaned

530
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 1: I mean two years that's probably why, Um, but he would,

531
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: he would really lean into that like young boy kind

532
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: of combination of anger and hurt and and he was

533
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 1: never ashamed to show that, to be vulnerable like that.

534
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: And you see him feeling like his world is falling

535
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 1: a partist to move back in with Dan, you know,

536
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: he finds out Lucas's lied to him, he finds out

537
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: Haley is Cynthia nor Papers, it's all it's all just

538
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 1: painful and and like early days, Nathan kind of comes

539
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: out Yeah, where he's got boundaries. He knows how to

540
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: stand up for himself. He may not have known how

541
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: to use those boundaries before, but he's growing into his

542
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 1: own as a young man. It's it's cool to see.

543
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: I love that for Nathan. Yeah, and when he's in pain,

544
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 1: it makes you sad. You're like, oh no, not more,

545
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: not more for for our guy. I'm just asking our

546
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: producers what the Tennessee Williams quote was, because I'm liking

547
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 1: the quotes that we're having on these episodes. The last

548
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 1: one was the George Bernard Shaw quote that said there

549
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: are two great tragedies in life, to lose the desires

550
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:53,479
Speaker 1: of one's heart and then to gain them. And uh,

551
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: and I like this Tennessee Williams quote too, which I'll

552
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 1: tell you what that is in a second. But I

553
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: think it's kind of fun to talk about the concept

554
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: of of what these are. But in the meantime, Brooke,

555
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: can we talk about Brooke? She had the best dialogue

556
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: in this episode. You had so much it was so fun.

557
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: I really did, okay, Brooke. Was this the first appearance

558
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 1: of hose over Bros. I don't know, I really it

559
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: really might have been, or maybe it just hit hard.

560
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: We're going to need the fans to answer that question.

561
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: Part of part of me wonders if when Brooke invented

562
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: the selfie in season one with the polaroid camera. I'm

563
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: going to hold on to that really forever. Uh if

564
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 1: she said it to Payton, I don't remember, but it

565
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 1: we all when we heard when we heard it went Brooke,

566
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: I mean she had Okay, first Lucas, then Jake, now Nathan.

567
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 1: I guess Slutty is in season funny. And then because

568
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: I'm leaving tomorrow for the summer, maybe forever, and my

569
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: best friend is having WHU do winnos in poor play

570
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: with kind of married guys, which is a kind of

571
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: a fun tie in with her walking in on When

572
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,240
Speaker 1: you didn't watch this last episode, Haley, Brooke and Lucas

573
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 1: came to New York to see Haley and they walk

574
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 1: in and she's on the couch doing the exact same

575
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,320
Speaker 1: thing that Peyton and Nathan were doing with Chris, like

576
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: giggly and tikoli and stuff um. And then this one

577
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 1: phantom feelings like when you lose a leg and try

578
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 1: and scratch it. Lucas was my gangering, infected amputated leg.

579
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 1: I really loved it all. I loved when they gave

580
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 1: me that kind of comedy to work with. It was

581
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: just always such a blast. Well, what I loved is

582
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: in the end when Lucas kisses you. That did surprise me.

583
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: That was a nice It was a nice surprise. Uh.

584
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 1: It's a really good scene, especially after how intensely uncomfortable

585
00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:00,399
Speaker 1: the dream sea because we all you guy, we all

586
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 1: forgot that that was a dream, and so we're sitting

587
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 1: here going, this is ridiculous what guy wrote she and

588
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: what a fantasy she's in her cheer lady universe. Like

589
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: we were so mad, and then we were like, oh, yeah,

590
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,800
Speaker 1: because it's a teenage boys dream, got it cool? Okay?

591
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: And so it made it made the scene between the

592
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 1: two of us, between Brook and Lucas so sweet because

593
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: you've seen this very overtly stereotypical dream and then the

594
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 1: hilarious comedy of like the cold shower and they're bickering

595
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 1: almost like siblings because they lived together at this point,

596
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 1: and then the vulnerability and and was was surprising, and

597
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:45,359
Speaker 1: I thought, was so he he did such a nice

598
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: job in that scene. I just really he felt very

599
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:52,959
Speaker 1: real and authentic to me. And uh, and I really

600
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 1: liked to watching you start the scene in a really happy, funny,

601
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,919
Speaker 1: playful place and then have that immediate switch into something

602
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: really vulnerable. I always love when actors do that. It's

603
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: fun to see it because it's like it's happening in

604
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 1: real time. So great. Yeah, and it's interesting because it

605
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: felt like a big payoff. Brooke is growing and learning

606
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 1: to be more in touch with her feelings and more

607
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: responsible with her feelings, and she really is trying to

608
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 1: put on a brave face for everyone, thinking that Lucas

609
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: still has feelings for Peyton. She she kind of offers

610
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: that up to Peyton. She she's really trying to lean

611
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: into this is the lesson and that wasn't good for me,

612
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,879
Speaker 1: and it really hurts, but I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna

613
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,399
Speaker 1: grow from it. It's so much effort for a young girl,

614
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: and then all of her sort of strength, the mask

615
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: she's been putting on of like I can handle this.

616
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 1: He pierces that when he kisses her in the end,

617
00:36:56,200 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 1: and I was surprised, you know, not remembering the episode

618
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 1: at at the you know, the reaction to it, how

619
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: how much it threw her. I was like, Oh, I

620
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: like this. I like the way we played this. Have

621
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 1: you guys ever had that happen to you where you're like,

622
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: it's just the worst timing. Ever, and someone tells you

623
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 1: drops like a feelings bomb on you like that, and

624
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:32,439
Speaker 1: you're just like, uh, what do I do? No? Never,

625
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: I feel like people would be so intimidated to drop

626
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 1: of feelings. Probably I'm like, no, I could either like

627
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:50,959
Speaker 1: get it out of that or lindsay ge you know. Yeah,

628
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever that's ever happened to me either,

629
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,919
Speaker 1: And it's making me think of what a big deal

630
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: it is for a high school boy to do something

631
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 1: like that. I think I probably have been the one

632
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:08,359
Speaker 1: dropping feelings bombs on people, especially my high school career,

633
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 1: and you know, with romance, Oh my god, I definitely

634
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: went through it once. And I will say like, I

635
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,399
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know if it's the the sort

636
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 1: of empathetic nature of my relationships with people, but I

637
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: for sure wound up in a relationship once because someone

638
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 1: was like, but I'm in love with you, and I

639
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,800
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, this must be it, Like wow,

640
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 1: I just didn't see it. And then I was like no, wait.

641
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: I was like, but I don't. I don't have it's

642
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 1: not my responsibility to help you with this feeling. I

643
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: don't I don't feel this feeling. I'm confused, how did

644
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: I get here? It can That's why they call it

645
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: love bombing, because it can really Like what did you?

646
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 1: Says Bobby on the playground. I was like, why are

647
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 1: you doing this to me? I just want to go

648
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: on the swings and handle the feelings Bob. I can't

649
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:12,879
Speaker 1: handle on Bob. Oh my god. There were so many

650
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,919
Speaker 1: big feelings in this episode also, I need to say,

651
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: especially because of how beautiful that in sequence was, Lavinia

652
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 1: by the Veils, so emotionally every song in this episode

653
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,800
Speaker 1: is so good. Yeah, I want a c D of

654
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: just a c D. I want to I want to

655
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: see I would like a laser disc. Please? Could someone

656
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: make me a mix tape of this soundtrack? Just this episode?

657
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 1: It's so great. It was so good. I actually found

658
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 1: an old tape player the other day, like a like

659
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 1: a cassette deck. Yeah. It was like a thing that's

660
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 1: you know that opens up and you put you slide

661
00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:00,280
Speaker 1: the tape in and then you close it play welcome

662
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 1: Yet what was it called? No, it's for recording. It's

663
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 1: like got a big speak the rectangle with the speaker

664
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: on that side. Yea love it that reminds me of

665
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: like the era of risky business. Oh yeah, I couldn't

666
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 1: find any tapes though, who keeps tapes around? You guys

667
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 1: still have any tapes? I don't know. I think I

668
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 1: threw away. Yeah. I went through like a real Marie

669
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 1: Condo phase before Marie Condo was a thing, and I

670
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: just was like, these these these like books of CDs

671
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 1: are making me feel stressed. It's the opposite of sparking joy.

672
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 1: And I like took them all apart and recycled everything.

673
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: I was like, I gotta get out of here, and

674
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: now I kind of regret it. I'm like, man, I

675
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 1: had like a pretty wild c D library in high

676
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: school and maybe I should have kept it, but probably not. Well,

677
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,320
Speaker 1: this episode, we had some amazing songs in this episode.

678
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 1: What where's the list? I want to see? Is that

679
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 1: in our well? Well, Andrew Paul Woodres did that really

680
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: emotional cover of Fight for Your Right to Party. It

681
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 1: was like a song on a guitar in the beginning.

682
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: That was so good. And then we went into the

683
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: Wreckers Um we went into that Susie Saw Song Petrified

684
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: to be Godlike and then Cracks in the Sky. I

685
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: mean everything Audio Slave, It was all just so good

686
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:32,280
Speaker 1: and poignant, and I don't know our our musical supervisors,

687
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,839
Speaker 1: I think, especially by the end of season two, had

688
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 1: gotten our show in such a good place, known for

689
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 1: being a place that broke bands and broke new songs,

690
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 1: and so I feel like suddenly we were entering into

691
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: this era um where we really had kind of the

692
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,320
Speaker 1: pick of the litter in terms of music, and every

693
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 1: moment is so good, which not every show gets that.

694
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: I was like, how did you guys rights to all

695
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: of these songs? That was our thing? It became more

696
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: thing because you know, gossip Girl had the glam element.

697
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 1: They had this sort of the younger crowd Sex in

698
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 1: the City version, Like the kids that weren't allowed to

699
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: watch Sex and the City were allowed to watch gossip Girl,

700
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 1: but you know, and they had that that was the

701
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 1: kind of their thing. So we got music, which I love.

702
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 1: I'm so much happy about that because it's just some

703
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 1: have so much more substance to it than fashion. Um,

704
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 1: God forbid of fashion designer listen to this and think

705
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: that I'm bashing fashion, because I do love fashion. There

706
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 1: is I guess substance in the art of that. But

707
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, in terms of the music.

708
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 1: I love that we brought that on our show. Um,

709
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 1: are you musical at all? Lindsay, m hmmm, not at all. Now.

710
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 1: I took singing lessons for for a very short while,

711
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 1: and I was able to get to the point where

712
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: I could hear, you know, the actual resonance that like

713
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 1: was me. That came for me one day and I

714
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:03,240
Speaker 1: was like, who is that? That's incredible? But you didn't

715
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: follow through with it. You didn't want to keep going.

716
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: I was like, this is gonna take so long. It's

717
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 1: just note. I'm just like, I can't It wasn't. My

718
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: thing was like, what are your outlets? Like? For me

719
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 1: singing a musical, you know, and for a lot of

720
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 1: musicians that is the outlet. So for someone who's not musical,

721
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 1: what do you love to do? There's like a pole

722
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 1: dance sensual creative, artistic dance that I do with a

723
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 1: group of women that is but not awesome. Me in

724
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: the fullness of like my being and my power and

725
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 1: my sensuality is like next level. And then you get

726
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 1: to likes with women while doing that is like that's

727
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: where like the most of my joy comes from. Is

728
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: it a class or do you do performances where ideally

729
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: we would like to do performances. Um, during COVID we

730
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: lost our studio and so now women have like formed

731
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:02,359
Speaker 1: little smaller into together and tomorrow we're going and doing

732
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: like one of our first workshops at a new kind

733
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 1: of Moroccan studio. Whoa, but it's our dream to have

734
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 1: a studio that also has like you can have tea

735
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: and you can have a sauna and you can you know, yes,

736
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 1: ship type of a thing, and then also to get

737
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 1: on stage with it or do you know, kind of

738
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 1: intimate performances. Wow, that's cool. It's you've got to be

739
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 1: really strong for that. Pole dancing is I've done a

740
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,320
Speaker 1: few aerial arts classes. I've been starting to get into that.

741
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 1: I think I've probably done like ten classes now and

742
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 1: I'm I love it. Uh, It's been hard for me

743
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: to be consistent because I travel so much. But um,

744
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: it's requires so much more strength than you think it does. Um,

745
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 1: I want it gets used to it. Obviously it's much easy,

746
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: kind of second nature. But yeah, because it's how long

747
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: did it take before it started to feel really easy?

748
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 1: Not easy? But know, like so long ago and I've

749
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: gone through so many different iterations of it. Like sometimes

750
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: sometimes I don't even do any poll tricks and I'm

751
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,399
Speaker 1: just like, you know, using the floor for everything. UM.

752
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 1: I remember I went through like I think there were

753
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: six levels you could get through, UM, and I like

754
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 1: learned the tricks and could do cool things, but it

755
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 1: hadn't really integrated smoothly into my body and my fluid

756
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 1: conversation yet. Um. I had left and came back, and

757
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 1: then I really feel like I figured out who I

758
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: was through dance and the story like my being and

759
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:43,800
Speaker 1: my body's telling. And then that happens sometimes like nature

760
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 1: just kicks in and I'll be upside down on the

761
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:47,320
Speaker 1: pole and I'll be like, I don't know how I

762
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 1: got here. It's just muscle memory, and that's just what

763
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: like my erotic creature wanted to do at the time.

764
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,800
Speaker 1: So you're doing like what Jennifer Lopez did in Hustlers,

765
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 1: I mean kind of. I mean that is amazing because

766
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 1: wow she was wow. Um yeah. Yeah. But it's also

767
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 1: it's like it's also tribal. It's also primal and like

768
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 1: you know, what we used to do, probably the way

769
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 1: women used to move when we were in Ville and

770
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 1: we were telling story and song and dance, so it

771
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 1: has the very visceral and it's interesting too because so

772
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: much of women's connection to their bodies has been eviscerated

773
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 1: because of patriarchal shame. Like sex, sex is bad, sensuality

774
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 1: is bad, but it's that's also so often through the

775
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: male gaze and like to get women back into as

776
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 1: your The words you're using make me feel so inspired,

777
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 1: Like it's primal feminine energy. It's powerful, it's sensual, it's

778
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 1: it's like when you hear people talk about goddess energy,

779
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 1: like recognizing the sacred of the feminine is it's so

780
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 1: much more elevated and spiritual than many of the ways

781
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: I think women have been quote allowed totally. And when

782
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,280
Speaker 1: you watch women in their bodies this and be embodied

783
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,840
Speaker 1: in this, you realize why it was so threatening. M

784
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 1: hm is the most miraculous, powerful thing you've ever seen

785
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 1: in your entire life. And Holly in a wonder this

786
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 1: had to be squelched, you know, it was very like

787
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 1: whether it just wasn't the time or whatever, it's going

788
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: to take a really strong masculine to be able to

789
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: handle the of the true feminine. Yeah, I agree with

790
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 1: that for sure. Yeah, that's well. Talking about another badass female.

791
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 1: Cheryl Lee made her appearance in this episode, and she's

792
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 1: got much more to come. Ellie Harp, I mean, wow,

793
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,800
Speaker 1: I was so excited for Laura Palmer. I mean I

794
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,359
Speaker 1: was like totally geeking out when she came on the show.

795
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 1: Was super excited. But um, yeah, I was super stoked

796
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 1: for her to come. Yeah. And and it was so

797
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 1: cool too to see Peyton in this moment where she's

798
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 1: having a hard time and trying to keep it all

799
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 1: together and Ellie comes in and and the way that

800
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:24,399
Speaker 1: Cheryl played it, she she kind of like got under

801
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 1: Peyton's mask really quickly and with matched her energy in

802
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 1: a similar way that most adults don't. And and you

803
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 1: see it like her choices made this kind of maternal

804
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: connection feel right Like in the reveal at the end,

805
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,760
Speaker 1: you go, oh, this makes all the sense in the world.

806
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: And I just I thought that was so beautiful. My

807
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 1: name is Elizabeth, like your middle name gave me chills.

808
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 1: That was nicely done. Oh I'm so excited. Also, how

809
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 1: cool to know the origin story of the jacket, Like

810
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 1: Hillary has talked so much Lindsay on our show about

811
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 1: you know, she has that jacket from that's like her

812
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 1: favorite memento from One Tree Hill, Ellie's leather jacket. And

813
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 1: and I I forgot. I knew it was hers, but

814
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:13,800
Speaker 1: I forgot about the whole Courtney love story being this

815
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 1: rock and roll journalist. And I was like, oh my god,

816
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: Peyton's jackets, Courtney loves jacket like it was so it

817
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 1: was so fun great. I loved it. Um, guys, I

818
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 1: think we've got like eight minutes or something left with lindsay, so,

819
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 1: can we do some fan my questions? Yes, Okay, let's

820
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: do it. Where are they? Um, let's see from Heather.

821
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:40,800
Speaker 1: Is it common on TV shows to have different directors

822
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:43,800
Speaker 1: for each episode? If so, why is that? And if not,

823
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 1: why did y'all seem to have so many? That's a

824
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 1: good question. I just I liked this question. You guys

825
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 1: have so many? Um, yeah, it's common. A different director

826
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 1: usually does different Yeah. Network to have a very much

827
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: smaller pool. Well so, And the reason is it's it's

828
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:10,840
Speaker 1: about the way we shoot, because when you're shooting a

829
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: network show, you are filming while the show is airing,

830
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 1: and for the folks at home, Um, directors don't just

831
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,800
Speaker 1: come in and start directing on day one. If a

832
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 1: show shoots for eight days, um, like ours did, the

833
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 1: directors also get eight days of prep, which is when

834
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 1: they go on location scouts, they meet with the dps,

835
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 1: they visit every set, they select all the wardrobe for

836
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 1: their episode. They're working on the script, So they have

837
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 1: eight days of prep, eight days of shooting, and then

838
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 1: they have another eight days of post production when they

839
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:45,240
Speaker 1: are editing their episode, you know, cutting the scenes, picking

840
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 1: the music, and so it actually takes much longer to

841
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 1: direct an episode than just the amount of time that

842
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 1: filming takes. And so, um, the the person who is

843
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 1: directing let's say Episode eleven is prep being while episode

844
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 1: tennis shooting, and then likewise it continues, and so there

845
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 1: has to be a different director in each episode so

846
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 1: that they can rotate through the season and stay on

847
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 1: schedule for you know, some cable shows like Joys talking

848
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Speaker 1: about if it's like let's say it's a six episode

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Speaker 1: mini series, they have all six episodes written and locked

850
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Speaker 1: at job done before exactly before they start shooting, and

851
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Speaker 1: then they'll have one director do that whole project for

852
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:32,760
Speaker 1: like three months. Um. But in network TV, they rotate

853
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 1: so they can do pre they can do prep shooting

854
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 1: and post in blocks. I also didn't realize you guys

855
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 1: were of the era of doing twenty two episode. It

856
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 1: was I don't think anybody, No, I don't think so,

857
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Speaker 1: I don't know. We we survived barely, barely, which feels crazy. Oh,

858
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Speaker 1: this is funny for Olivia, she said. Olivia says, what

859
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Speaker 1: do you do when you're supposed to shoot all day

860
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Speaker 1: but you wake up sick? I clearly had a cold

861
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 1: in the last episode. You could hear my voice. Did

862
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 1: you do you get sick days? And do they have

863
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 1: to cancel shooting or film a different scene if you

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00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 1: can't make it? Uh, it depends on how sick you are.

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Speaker 1: You just basically have to take some suit of ft

866
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 1: or whatever. Yeah, I mean if you The thing is,

867
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Speaker 1: don't come to work if you are if you have

868
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Speaker 1: the flu. I've never seen anybody come to work with

869
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Speaker 1: the like a proper flu where you're you have growing

870
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Speaker 1: up and like a fever. I had all this stuff

871
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Speaker 1: going on, and I was like, you're still you work,

872
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 1: You just work ya? Wow? Yeah, okay, well yeah. I

873
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 1: The only time I remember us ever changing the schedule

874
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:52,839
Speaker 1: in nine years was when one of our coworkers got

875
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 1: really sick and was in the hospital for two days.

876
00:52:56,280 --> 00:53:00,399
Speaker 1: And unless literally they expect you to come to work

877
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 1: unless you're in the hospital. And I actually on a

878
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: show years ago, I was working in Chicago. I had meningitis.

879
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 1: I spent thirty six hours in the emergency room. I

880
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 1: was really really sick. Um And they literally came and

881
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 1: pulled me out of the hospital and took me to work.

882
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 1: They were like, it doesn't matter. You gotta stand in

883
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 1: the corner. You've got to be in the scene. We

884
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 1: don't have anything left to shoot that you're not in. Oh,

885
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 1: it was it was insane, um. But you know, it's

886
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 1: it's kind of that's such a lack of creativity. Sorry,

887
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: it's a lack of creativity. But it's also you know,

888
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 1: the a show is kind of like it's a bureaucracy.

889
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 1: It's so big, it's hundreds of people doing a job,

890
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 1: so there isn't really room to miss one person. It

891
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 1: throws the whole machine off. Um, So it can be

892
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:57,800
Speaker 1: really complicated, which is get complicated. Yeah, yeah, no, understand,

893
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 1: it's not like theater. I do wonder how um us

894
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 1: getting a little clearer on public health with the pandemic

895
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 1: and how actually crazy it is that people used to

896
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 1: go to work when they were sick. I wonder how

897
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 1: that will affect our industry, if it will, if it'll matter.

898
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 1: I don't think it's crazy to go to work when

899
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 1: you're sick. I think like it's just part of be

900
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 1: Getting sick is part of being alive. It's it's part

901
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 1: of life. But if you're like actively contagious, it's so disrespectful, Like, yeah,

902
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:32,879
Speaker 1: everybody knows, like everybody. That's the thing is, everyone knows

903
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:34,839
Speaker 1: if you show up sick. Everyone knows that you're there

904
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 1: and you're sick, so they just take away from you.

905
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 1: And you know, you just don't do your kissing scene

906
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 1: or whatever, and or you just like load up on

907
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: vitamin C and you're like, I'm in a scene with

908
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 1: somebody who's sick today. I hope I don't catch it. Yeah, well, anyway,

909
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 1: we have a wheel. We have a most likely two

910
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 1: wheel to spin. Yeah, we don't know the answers on

911
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 1: public health everybody, but we do have a wheel and

912
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:07,840
Speaker 1: we're excited to spend it with Lindsay Okay, who is

913
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Speaker 1: most likely too? That's funny when the worst cook in America.

914
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 1: Would this actually be like Taylor or Rachel? I just

915
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 1: don't see. Taylor is the kind of girl who spends

916
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:26,799
Speaker 1: a lot of time like nurturing a meal, probably microwaves

917
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 1: an egg or something. Yeah, a little quick dish, I

918
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:34,719
Speaker 1: will say, so you don't feel alone in it. Brooke

919
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:37,320
Speaker 1: Davis did set a turkey on fire and season seven

920
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:42,719
Speaker 1: over Thanksgiving. Yeah, no, I love to cook, but no,

921
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:46,360
Speaker 1: my alter ego was bad in the kitchen for comedy sake,

922
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 1: what about in real life? Who's a terrible cook in

923
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:55,800
Speaker 1: real life? I don't actually know. I'm impress all of

924
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 1: us in the kitchen. Who's bad? I used to never

925
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 1: cook until the pandemic and then I really got into

926
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:06,800
Speaker 1: it for a while. Oh really, how did you start?

927
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 1: Did you like download an app or what was it? No?

928
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:12,360
Speaker 1: I had a girlfriend who is a chef, and she

929
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:14,239
Speaker 1: started making a couple of dishes around me, and I

930
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 1: was like, this is so good, and she's like it's

931
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 1: so easy. So I just started making what she made,

932
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:21,359
Speaker 1: and then I started incorporating a whole bunch of different things,

933
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 1: and I was like, this is really cool and I'll

934
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 1: just wing it. Yeah, that's a hard one to answer.

935
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Speaker 1: With actors because artists are typically creative. You know, I

936
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:35,799
Speaker 1: don't know, I would think that extend. Yeah, that kind

937
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 1: of extend just to me, but say love me. Well, um,

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Speaker 1: it's been fun speculating, Lindsay, thank you so much for

939
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 1: joining us. I'm so glad that you came. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Next week we've got episode one of season three. We're

941
00:56:56,000 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 1: finally out of season two. Lu Yah. Okay, that was

942
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:03,759
Speaker 1: a rough one. So next one is called like You

943
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:06,720
Speaker 1: Like an Arsonist. I think this is a pretty famous episode, actually,

944
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 1: I think so. I'm excited to see what happens. And Lindsay,

945
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:13,839
Speaker 1: I really hope that you'll come back and join us

946
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 1: for for more, especially episodes that you're in, because I

947
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 1: would like to talk to you then, love to do that,

948
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 1: especially with our scenes and stuff too, and that would

949
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 1: be wonderful. Yeah, you know what, you really have to

950
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 1: be here for us, that the pool scene, the big

951
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 1: oh my god. Yes, oh lots more to come. Thank

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Speaker 1: you guys for joining us. We'll see you next week. Back.

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