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Speaker 1: Victory Monday on Talking Cowboys, presented by Tostitos. The official
Speaker 1: chip and tip of the Dallas Cowboys is the Cowboys
Speaker 1: way Ship and dipped out with a win over the
Speaker 1: Los Angeles Chargers. Twenty to seventeen was the final score
Speaker 1: on the road as the Cowboys get back to five
Speaker 1: hundred one and one through two weeks of the NFL season.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about it here over the next couple minutes.
Speaker 1: We've got Rob Phillips, Isaiah stand Back, kick My Harrison,
Speaker 1: I'm Kyle Yeomans, and I don't want to waste any
Speaker 1: time getting our thoughts because this was a gritty win
Speaker 1: for the Dallas Cowboys, and man, it was beginning to
Speaker 1: end gritty. It wasn't pretty. You were missing five of
Speaker 1: your starters. But Rob Phillips. The Cowboys got the job
Speaker 1: done and they converted when they needed to real quick.
Speaker 1: I just looking up. The last victory Monday for the
Speaker 1: Cowboys was December on this show was December twenty eight,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty. So it's been a wild pellas it's been
Speaker 1: a while, way too long. Yeah, I'm gonna steal Isaiah's point.
Speaker 1: We know each other so well doing this show. I
Speaker 1: think by this point it's a character win for the
Speaker 1: Cowboys going on the road opposite coast, all the guys
Speaker 1: that they had missing a real chance of being O
Speaker 1: and two. I mean, that's a good Charger team. I
Speaker 1: look forward to seeing a lot of Pat Mahomes justin
Speaker 1: Herbert battles in the AFC title game in the coming years.
Speaker 1: Maybe Lamar Jackson has something to say about that, but
Speaker 1: that's gonna be a team to deal with over the
Speaker 1: next few years if they continue building right and they
Speaker 1: found a different way to win this game they than
Speaker 1: they almost won in Week one, and I think that's
Speaker 1: a credit to the players obviously, but the coaches as well,
Speaker 1: specifically Dan Quinn and Kellen Moore, for making adjustments from
Speaker 1: week one and based off the guys they were missing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean these guys coaches use their personnel, you know,
Speaker 1: they used the personnel that they had and ensted up.
Speaker 1: They're making excuses about all we're missing this guy, this
Speaker 1: guy's down, this guy won't be back for five more weeks,
Speaker 1: whatever the case may be. They use their personnel. Not
Speaker 1: only dan Quinn did he do it like we knew
Speaker 1: he would, right, that's what he got, That's what he does.
Speaker 1: But Kellen Moore, Kellen Moore is continuing to find ways
Speaker 1: to get his playmakers the ball. Now people want to
Speaker 1: argue and say, well, this playmaker is getting paid this much.
Speaker 1: It's about match ups. This game is all about matchups.
Speaker 1: You can give the person who has the most, who
Speaker 1: gets the most money, the most playing time, and all
Speaker 1: that jazz, But guess what if it results in a loss,
Speaker 1: then then what is it for? Right, It's about winning games.
Speaker 1: So if it's if it's about dog On Pollard getting
Speaker 1: getting the ball more than Zeke that game, and guess what,
Speaker 1: that's what it takes. You heard Zeke after the game.
Speaker 1: Whoever has a hot hand, that's who we're rolling with. Defensively,
Speaker 1: Michael Parsons, guess what we dropped him as a linebacker.
Speaker 1: But guess what else, That boy went down there and
Speaker 1: played like a dog at defensive end and gave some
Speaker 1: dog on problems and gave Herbert some happy feet when
Speaker 1: we need him to have some happy feet, and forced
Speaker 1: some incompletions overall, special teams. We still got some work
Speaker 1: to do. We still got some work to do. But
Speaker 1: great delay. Like I said in the post game show,
Speaker 1: that boy dusted off that the old old little you know,
Speaker 1: a little dust off the lawn more and he fired
Speaker 1: that thing up. And after you fired that law more up,
Speaker 1: you know, it just keeps turning right, you know, the
Speaker 1: old faithful after that, so he was good to go.
Speaker 1: So overall, great win to sponsor. Ye no idea, No,
Speaker 1: I love the balance. I love the balance from Kellen Moore.
Speaker 1: We've talked about him, and the red zone walls solved him.
Speaker 1: You know, we saw the first two red zones came out,
Speaker 1: got scores, I mean, and it was and again it
Speaker 1: was the balance for me, incorporating the run with the past,
Speaker 1: it looked like a healthy balance of this offense. But defensively,
Speaker 1: you're you're right, dan Quinn was dialing it up. Then
Speaker 1: he was dialing up the entire game. And you know,
Speaker 1: I think there was a point in the game where
Speaker 1: you were seeing Michael Parsons he was like, oh man,
Speaker 1: this is you know, it looked as though he wasn't
Speaker 1: winning those battles, and then all of a sudden, like
Speaker 1: he must have heard the whispers and he poured it on.
Speaker 1: I mean, getting that pressure. And there are a lot
Speaker 1: of people that are going to be saying, you know, look,
Speaker 1: let score aheadn't put him at the defensive end position. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: we did that out of necessity. But boy, isn't it
Speaker 1: good that in necessity you have a player like that
Speaker 1: on your roster that can actually get it done and
Speaker 1: get those pressures. We still didn't get the pressure up
Speaker 1: the middle that we wanted from our defense, and that's
Speaker 1: whe of the things that I think is going to
Speaker 1: torment us as the season goes along. But again, it's
Speaker 1: a great win, team win. And Greg the leg boy,
Speaker 1: you had a sitting on the edge of our seat.
Speaker 1: I don't think the fifty six yard touchdown was the
Speaker 1: one that they were trying to do, but hey, I'm
Speaker 1: just happy legatround came through. Yeah, fifty six yard game
Speaker 1: winning field goal. As time expires to win it twenty
Speaker 1: to seventeen, and there weren't I mean, there were positives
Speaker 1: and negatives. It wasn't all good for the Cowboys, and
Speaker 1: we're certainly going to break that down throughout the week,
Speaker 1: But I want to start with the positives on offense.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you mentioned it. I think both of y'all
Speaker 1: mentioned it. Balance. We were questioning it going into the week.
Speaker 1: You can't go into every football game and throw it
Speaker 1: fifty eight times with Dak Prescott and expect to win.
Speaker 1: And not only did they have balance, but they share
Speaker 1: the love. I mean Tony Pollard, sure he had a
Speaker 1: great game thirteen carries, one hundred and nine yards and
Speaker 1: a touchdown. But Ezekiel Elliott sixteen for seventy one and
Speaker 1: a touchdown. That's a much better game than he had
Speaker 1: last week as well. Talk about CD and his one carry?
Speaker 1: What if I tell you CD would What's going on?
Speaker 1: You saw some different looks the play calling? Was there?
Speaker 1: Rob in the tenure of Kellen Moore? Have you seen
Speaker 1: this level of creativity and effectiveness from the play caller
Speaker 1: at come offense? The only one I can think of
Speaker 1: is when Benda Nucci started against the Eagles, and that
Speaker 1: was out of like, look, man, we gotta empty the
Speaker 1: bag because we got to help this young guy out.
Speaker 1: I thought that was this. I'd have to really think
Speaker 1: about it because I said last week that was Dak's
Speaker 1: best start ever. And then I went back and yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it was against Tampa Bay. I think that's
Speaker 1: the best play calling we've seen from Kellen Moore so
Speaker 1: far in three seasons. As the oc here and Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy mentioned, it was a patient game too. He was
Speaker 1: patient and they they flipped the game plan from what
Speaker 1: they did against Tampa Bay. That's the sign of a
Speaker 1: good offense, and that's the sign of a good play caller.
Speaker 1: You look at the coverage. It was at Tampa's coverage.
Speaker 1: They played kind of shell stuff playing back and we
Speaker 1: saw it. We talked about it during the week. There
Speaker 1: were some gaps in that in that almost said San
Speaker 1: Diego that La Chargers defense to run on, and they
Speaker 1: just went with the hot hands. He got his touches.
Speaker 1: He actually had three more carries than Pollard, but Pollard
Speaker 1: was was cooking last night. And man, it helps to
Speaker 1: have Zack Martin back. I mean, one of those touchdown drives.
Speaker 1: It was just like I just run behind seventy. You
Speaker 1: know he was. He was fantastic in the game. It
Speaker 1: just shows you the difference that Zack Martin makes on
Speaker 1: our offensive line immediately. But my man T Steele. I
Speaker 1: think we all went in nervous about Terrence Steele, and
Speaker 1: he literally showed you that with a little bit of help,
Speaker 1: he can be a serviceable swing tackle. And so let's
Speaker 1: put that maybe for now, let's put that whole conversation
Speaker 1: to bed. But I remember Michael Irvin on the game
Speaker 1: that one of the pregames that we had talking about
Speaker 1: Terren Steele and likning him to big Big E, you know,
Speaker 1: just saying that big E when he came in Eric Williams,
Speaker 1: former tackle for the for the Dallas Cowboys, and how
Speaker 1: you know, look at his rookie year. He was just
Speaker 1: getting baptized by Reggie White guys like that. And finally
Speaker 1: it started to, you know, see that confidence building for him.
Speaker 1: And I think this was a confidence building game, And
Speaker 1: so I want the next four games for Terrence still
Speaker 1: to be just like this. We did a lot of
Speaker 1: a lot of good things on the right side, and
Speaker 1: a lot of good things were helping him. Yeah, absolutely right.
Speaker 1: And you know, I think I mentioned this a while back,
Speaker 1: but you know, Kelly Moore, I think he watched The
Speaker 1: water Boy. I'm convinced he watched The water Boy because
Speaker 1: he remember that little green booklet. He poured that green
Speaker 1: bucklet out. He poured it out, and he went straight
Speaker 1: to that joining he called up some stuff that we
Speaker 1: never expected. I know, when I saw CD in the
Speaker 1: back of it, I was like, what in the entire
Speaker 1: heck is going on? See what I did there? And
Speaker 1: I was concerned because they weren't giving the ball Zeke
Speaker 1: at that time, right, and we're really I know, we're
Speaker 1: having a little discussion in the studio. I was like, man,
Speaker 1: what the heck is going on right there? Giving Zeke
Speaker 1: the ball? And I was like, oh, okay, balance right.
Speaker 1: I don't really I don't think this really just terminally applies.
Speaker 1: But you know, he did a heck of a job.
Speaker 1: I want to go to Heckman's dude, the schultzen Nigger, Yes, sir,
Speaker 1: the Schultzenigger Scholtz bald out Now, whether you gotta see
Speaker 1: it show up in the stat sheet or not, which
Speaker 1: it didn't. It did not. The boy bald out let
Speaker 1: me tell y'all from the analytical perspective, he was putting
Speaker 1: his hat in there. He held Bossa at bay when
Speaker 1: he had had his opportunities. He was putting his head
Speaker 1: in there. He was gritting it out. He was grinding
Speaker 1: these boys, was working up front hard. Up front. They
Speaker 1: took not only the first level out the game, but
Speaker 1: there is a dude named Murray who just happened to
Speaker 1: be at the second level. Took him out the game too,
Speaker 1: and I personally thought that he was going to present
Speaker 1: a major problem for us at that second level. And
Speaker 1: I think he ended up getting injured for a good
Speaker 1: portion of the game. He was hurt, but he was
Speaker 1: a non factor. He was a non factor, absolutely. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But Darren James, man, I mean just seeing him live
Speaker 1: as well, just seeing him all over the field. You
Speaker 1: love it when you see you have a free safety
Speaker 1: that can do that. But look, man, Malik Hooker boy,
Speaker 1: I saw twenty eight splash so at the line of
Speaker 1: scrimmage about twenty seven seven. Hey, I'm going out, Let's
Speaker 1: go down the line. Let's go. I mean because we
Speaker 1: had really good safety help over the top. Now there's steal.
Speaker 1: Some things that we need to do in the secondary.
Speaker 1: But this is all positive today. But Aiden's dad is
Speaker 1: pretty good. Oh yeah, I'm gonna stick with offense. We're
Speaker 1: gonna go defense in the SEC segment, So staying with
Speaker 1: the offensive side. And I want to keep this conversation
Speaker 1: on the offensive line going as well, because you could
Speaker 1: give a game ball to Tony Pollard, you could give
Speaker 1: a game ball to Dak Prescott in the way that
Speaker 1: he worked. But there was concern around Terrence Steele. And
Speaker 1: then of course the return of Zach Martin. No concern
Speaker 1: there because my goodness, he's as good as he's been. Well,
Speaker 1: what about Tyren Smith on the left side, because I
Speaker 1: thought he was just as good as he's been prior
Speaker 1: to his injuries as well. Had I guess you could
Speaker 1: say one hiccup where he gave up the sack there
Speaker 1: at the end of the drive. That's one. And and
Speaker 1: Kyler Facker, if you watched him in week one, he's
Speaker 1: a pretty good rusher off the edge for them. He's
Speaker 1: Joey Bosa. But that was the one play where you
Speaker 1: noticed Tyrn Smith in terms of oh, this didn't go well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so he was fantastic, But I think you have to
Speaker 1: give the game ball to Terrence Steele. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: think you have to give the Cowboys credit for they
Speaker 1: were right. I mean, they felt better about Terrence Steele
Speaker 1: than then a lot of people did, you know, And
Speaker 1: if Niseki had been healthy and he's okay after that
Speaker 1: heat exhaustion episode he had, which is scary as heck. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's discharged from the hospital. But but um, you know,
Speaker 1: it would be interesting to see what they would have
Speaker 1: done there, you know, I know Jerry said during the
Speaker 1: week it would have been Terrence Steele. Maybe we would
Speaker 1: have seen Tiniski. I don't know, but yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: he's a much better player than he was last year.
Speaker 1: It's it's clear. I mean you could see it. And
Speaker 1: look Zack Martin being there. I can't stress enough because
Speaker 1: you mentioned the tight ends helping out there. You saw
Speaker 1: some combination blocks to Zach kind of getting over to
Speaker 1: help there too and move inside on the edge. So
Speaker 1: it was just a good performance overall. By the old line.
Speaker 1: You think, whenever Dak Prescott gets up there and he's
Speaker 1: in the shotgun and he's got those guys in front
Speaker 1: of him, it doesn't really matter who's outside at the tackles.
Speaker 1: A whole lot as long as seventy is there, And
Speaker 1: I mean, you would like having seventy seven and seventy
Speaker 1: one sure the tackles, and we saw that last year.
Speaker 1: If both of them are missing, then it's gonna be
Speaker 1: at least at times a problem. But man, having seventy
Speaker 1: up there, I feel like just gives Dak Prescott so
Speaker 1: much more confidence. It gives Ezekiel Elliott, gives Tony Pollard
Speaker 1: confidence because then they have holes to run through. And
Speaker 1: we saw that all day yesterday, the entire offense. Kyle
Speaker 1: when number seventy swits over, I mean, because you understand
Speaker 1: that you have one of the best in the league
Speaker 1: that's doing it. But I just love to change a
Speaker 1: pace between Tony Pollard and Ezekiel Elliott and just the
Speaker 1: coaching staff's ability to recognize use your playmakers. I almost
Speaker 1: thought in the first half that maybe Zeke had gotten benched.
Speaker 1: It's like, well, you know what's going on because of
Speaker 1: the way that Poler was hitting the hole. But that
Speaker 1: was just the whole game plan and mixing these guys in,
Speaker 1: and I think it paid dividends. Like Dallas Cowboys are
Speaker 1: eleven and old when they go for one hundred and
Speaker 1: seventy five yards rushing eleven and old that that is
Speaker 1: something that is I mean, come on, I'm just I'm
Speaker 1: just saying that is something that we can build on
Speaker 1: with this running game. And no matter how it looks
Speaker 1: on the stat sheet. Look, man, it doesn't matter how
Speaker 1: many guys you have doing it. Keep this up because
Speaker 1: it works, especially Tony Poler catching out the backfield and
Speaker 1: also Zeke. Man. I just think it got to a
Speaker 1: certain point point in the game where the Chargers was
Speaker 1: just like having to honor everything that we did. There
Speaker 1: was a point in the game kind of like you said,
Speaker 1: where I was like, I wonder if they even if
Speaker 1: they win this game. I wonder if the talk is
Speaker 1: gonna be well, Zeke's still not getting enough touches, you know,
Speaker 1: because he's not. He's doing well, but he's not. Poler's
Speaker 1: the guy. What's his role on all stuff. I don't
Speaker 1: think it really mattered. This is what they want, This
Speaker 1: is perfect. They talked about this during training camp, like,
Speaker 1: Zeke's got a couple three hundred carry seasons on his resume.
Speaker 1: Let's get him to December and get him totally fresh
Speaker 1: for the stretch run. And by the way Tony Pollard
Speaker 1: is really good. We need to play him, damn you know.
Speaker 1: That's and that's what they got. So I think that's
Speaker 1: a great point. There were points in that game when
Speaker 1: you're looking at it and if you look at the
Speaker 1: stats and you're gonna see, yeah, they put up four
Speaker 1: hundred yards, there's only twenty points on the board. This
Speaker 1: is the lowest scoring win for the Dallas Cowboys. It's
Speaker 1: what twenty seventeen. I think. I think this is as
Speaker 1: for a victory for a victory, I don't know that
Speaker 1: that's that's interesting. I think it is one of the
Speaker 1: lowest scoring wins in multiple years. I have to go
Speaker 1: and double check that stat in the break, but it's
Speaker 1: not gonna look like it was an offensive explosion. But
Speaker 1: my goodness, it was so efficient down the field, play calling,
Speaker 1: spreading the love. It wasn't even just balanced between the
Speaker 1: offense and excuse me, rushing and passing. It was the
Speaker 1: fact that you had two rushers over seventy yards, you
Speaker 1: had seven different players catch multiple passes. Yeah, the spreading
Speaker 1: of the love was there. And then Isaiah, I'm curious
Speaker 1: to hear what you think about what Dak Prescott looked
Speaker 1: like yesterday as well. I think Dak did a great job.
Speaker 1: And we said in the post game yesterday, you know,
Speaker 1: he was a game manager. I don't care how much
Speaker 1: he gets paid. You know, his job is to put
Speaker 1: the team in the best position to win games. And
Speaker 1: that's what he did yesterday. He didn't make bad decisions,
Speaker 1: you know, obviously at one interception, got sacked a few times.
Speaker 1: That wasn't his fault, but I thought he did. He
Speaker 1: distributed the ball well, you know the fact that he
Speaker 1: went to seven different receivers. Let you know, he's going
Speaker 1: through his reads. He don't give a dog on who
Speaker 1: gets the ball. Go ahead. I was just gonna say,
Speaker 1: you set game manager there. That is a negative term
Speaker 1: to a lot of people out there, But you're not
Speaker 1: meaning that in a negative way, right, No, not at all.
Speaker 1: I mean game manager just means that that's what you
Speaker 1: want as a quarterback. So let's go ahead and put
Speaker 1: that out there. You want somebody who's gonna put your
Speaker 1: team in the best position possible. If that's calling a run,
Speaker 1: that's calling a run. If that's check into something that
Speaker 1: gives us, you know, five yards instead of you know,
Speaker 1: something that body gave US forty yards, So the heck
Speaker 1: what that's managing the game. Just being smart about your
Speaker 1: decisions that you make and not taking those risks. That
Speaker 1: is a game manager. And that's what Russell Wilson was
Speaker 1: early on his career, and that's why Russell's loved everywhere. Right,
Speaker 1: Dak is starting to do the same exact thing. He
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be the fifty eight passes the game
Speaker 1: type of guy because he has help. And I think
Speaker 1: he's realizing that he has help everywhere. You see some
Speaker 1: quarterbacks get locked into one or two receivers. They get
Speaker 1: locked into one or two guys and that's all they
Speaker 1: see and they really can't come off of that, right,
Speaker 1: whether they have the running ability of Dak. Sometimes they'll
Speaker 1: check one, sometimes they'll check two, and they guess what
Speaker 1: they're doing, they're taking off, right, That's not what Dak's doing.
Speaker 1: Dak is literally going through his progressions and if he
Speaker 1: works his way one, two, three, all the way down
Speaker 1: to four at his running back, that's who gets the
Speaker 1: ball or guess what throw the ball away? He does
Speaker 1: that too, So that's what I mean by game manager.
Speaker 1: He's putting you in position. Sometimes second down is a
Speaker 1: great down instead of instead of you sitting on the
Speaker 1: bench and watching the other team go for first that
Speaker 1: the negative cunotation that you're looking at is is bus driver.
Speaker 1: He didn't say is a bus driver. Nadown connotation is
Speaker 1: uppercase GM game manager. This is lowercase. Yeah, I like that,
Speaker 1: but honestly, like this is what they wanted. Like Kellen
Speaker 1: Moore was ready for that question last week about balance,
Speaker 1: and he talked about how they checked that you mentioned
Speaker 1: it last week. They checked out of twelve runs and
Speaker 1: they had thirty one attempts in this game. They didn't
Speaker 1: check out of those runs because because the looks were
Speaker 1: favorable for you. Kellen Moore was a man of his word,
Speaker 1: you know, he said, if you know, if it depending
Speaker 1: on the looks, and if it's what we want, we're
Speaker 1: gonna go to it. And this was a very twenty
Speaker 1: sixteen Dak Prescott stat line. Twenty seven attempts, two hundred
Speaker 1: and thirty seven yards, eighty eight percent completion rate. Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know what else people want. I don't care
Speaker 1: if you threw the ball thirteen times in a game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: as long as we were successful on offense. We were
Speaker 1: sixty percent conversion on third down. That's a positive eighty
Speaker 1: eight percent completion passing the ball. That's amazing. I don't
Speaker 1: care if you're throwing a ball, you know in six
Speaker 1: seven times a game, that's amazing. That's a great stat
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter long as you're moving the ball. We
Speaker 1: managed the freaking clock. We were in control of the clock.
Speaker 1: We were having six seven minute drives. Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: We talked about during the week how you had to
Speaker 1: control this game because offensively, for the Chargers, they were
Speaker 1: going to try to control the game and control the
Speaker 1: clock right they want. They had the West Coast, they
Speaker 1: were gonna dink and dunk, get the five yards here,
Speaker 1: ten yards there, running the ball with Eckler, they were
Speaker 1: gonna move the ball down the field. So you know,
Speaker 1: they were gonna have sustained drives. In order for us
Speaker 1: to have be in a position to win the game,
Speaker 1: we needed to be great on third down and we
Speaker 1: needed to be able to move these chains. And I
Speaker 1: think we did that. Young boy Genius was in his
Speaker 1: box in his bag again yesterday. I mean, he was
Speaker 1: getting after it and he had like rops that earlier.
Speaker 1: It was in my opinion, I agree with you is
Speaker 1: the best play calling we've seen from Kellen Moore. But
Speaker 1: we also have a young corner on the defensive side
Speaker 1: who had a great game. Heckm already alluded to it.
Speaker 1: When we come back, we talk about the defensive side
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Speaker 1: Defensive side of the football, couple turnovers fors nine straight
Speaker 1: games now for the Cowboys with a turnover that's the
Speaker 1: second longest active streak in the NFL, only behind the
Speaker 1: Miami Dolphins. So they continue to take the football away,
Speaker 1: but they did give up some pretty big numbers in
Speaker 1: the passing game throughout the course of this one. Rob,
Speaker 1: I'll let you start this off. What did you think
Speaker 1: about the defense and was it a positive outing for them?
Speaker 1: How do we start this without talking about Micah? Is
Speaker 1: that possible? Can I just go straight to that? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe. I was looking at the stats again
Speaker 1: this morning. I didn't realize he only played thirty nine
Speaker 1: of seventy one snaps. I felt like the way his
Speaker 1: impact on the game, I thought he was out there
Speaker 1: every single snap, and I know he wasn't because there
Speaker 1: was times where they just kept him off the field.
Speaker 1: And Isaiah said this in the break man when he
Speaker 1: wasn't rushing off that left edge and just given Storm
Speaker 1: Norton everything he could handle, Justin Herbert had time, and
Speaker 1: when Justin Herbert had time, he was delivering like that.
Speaker 1: That was a dangerous, dangerous game because he is the
Speaker 1: truth that is one of the best young quarterbacks in
Speaker 1: the league, no question, Maybe one of the best quarterbacks
Speaker 1: period right now in the league. But Mica was what
Speaker 1: do you say? I mean? I sat there last week
Speaker 1: and talked about not having to Marcus Lawrence, what kind
Speaker 1: of impact that was going to have on this defense?
Speaker 1: And I think they missed him some in the one
Speaker 1: game defending setting the edge and Gregory two not being there,
Speaker 1: but his pass rush was incredible. I mean to ask
Speaker 1: a rookie to come in and basically change positions from
Speaker 1: what he did in week one, uh and you know,
Speaker 1: and do what he probably did best at Penn State though,
Speaker 1: really really really impressive. If Michael parsons it doesn't play
Speaker 1: defensive end for us this game, we lose straight straight
Speaker 1: playing a simple the reason being, you know, to to
Speaker 1: your point rock justin Herbert was delivering the rock. We
Speaker 1: had all kinds of gaps in our in our zone coverage,
Speaker 1: and they held. They were finding every nook and cranny possible.
Speaker 1: They were just running five six yards, sitting, finding a
Speaker 1: little gap in between linebackers, get the easy paths. First down, right,
Speaker 1: They were just over and over again, Eckler boom, first down.
Speaker 1: And then there is a dude number eleven who just
Speaker 1: happens to go out there and provide a rush off
Speaker 1: the right end right now is to Herbert's open side.
Speaker 1: Luckily for him because he was able to see a
Speaker 1: lot of it. But you know, Parsons was getting upfield
Speaker 1: and then he got caught inside a couple of times
Speaker 1: on a little spin back inside rush. Sometimes it worked
Speaker 1: out in our favor, sometimes it didn't. Sometimes they were
Speaker 1: able to escape the pocket and get the ball off,
Speaker 1: and that's on coverage. We gotta figure that out. But
Speaker 1: if he did not make Herbert uncomfortable back there, they
Speaker 1: would have picked us apart and they would have won
Speaker 1: that ball game. He is the one of the major
Speaker 1: reasons why our defense was able to hold their ground
Speaker 1: against it against the Church question. Yeah, you're just happy
Speaker 1: that you have a guy like that, and it's just
Speaker 1: a dog. He's coming after the quarterback. He's got four
Speaker 1: quarterback hits and the sack that was questionable, but hey,
Speaker 1: we'll take it. Let's talk about that. We will take
Speaker 1: that that sack. But you know what happened was basically,
Speaker 1: instead of calling a grounding call, which would have had
Speaker 1: they were in the red zone, which took them far
Speaker 1: out of position to score, but they awarded Micah with
Speaker 1: the sack, which I think everybody in Cowboys Nation was
Speaker 1: happy about it, but Chargers were not happy about it.
Speaker 1: But you know, I think the linebackers played well and
Speaker 1: like Jalen swipe if you want to come swipe if
Speaker 1: he's holding that swipe back with everything he's got. But
Speaker 1: defensive line wise, man, we've got to get some pressure.
Speaker 1: Internally we had just hadn't got there. Those stunts guys
Speaker 1: are still getting bottled up up front. But Osa Diggis
Speaker 1: or number ninety seven, man, he had a really good
Speaker 1: game as well for the D line group. He's starting
Speaker 1: to find his own. Yes, he is starting to get
Speaker 1: in there and get his feet underneath him. But talking
Speaker 1: about the sack, was it a sack because that was
Speaker 1: probably outside of maybe the past interference call that was
Speaker 1: on Jamn Curse in the first half, that was an
Speaker 1: interception that very well could have been should have been
Speaker 1: an interception that was probably the most controversial call. Each
Speaker 1: team had one that benefited them. But did you think
Speaker 1: that was a sack on Justin Herbert in the fourth
Speaker 1: I did not. I didn't either, But as Chris pointed
Speaker 1: out to us in the break, it would have been
Speaker 1: intentional grounding either way either way. So we'll have took
Speaker 1: him back to the twenty five. Oh yeah, that being said,
Speaker 1: Cowboy fans that want to say it's it's it's rigged
Speaker 1: against them every single week. It's not. It's not that
Speaker 1: that was a very beneficial call for them. But you
Speaker 1: know what, as well as Mica played, I'm glad he
Speaker 1: got the sack because he, like Isaiah you guys said,
Speaker 1: he was the difference in this game. And that's that's coaching.
Speaker 1: That's coaching for dan Quinn to say, we have to
Speaker 1: do something. Our first round draft pick is really good
Speaker 1: at this let's just change it up. And because he
Speaker 1: only rushed like twelve times in the in the opener,
Speaker 1: that's coaching, and that's a that's a great job by
Speaker 1: the young player. But it's a testament to what dan
Speaker 1: Quinn said he was going to do and he's actually
Speaker 1: carrying it out. We talked about these matchups. It's matchups.
Speaker 1: Our team, our defense is very versatile, very versatile. We
Speaker 1: have all we got safety depth, right, we got we
Speaker 1: got range it, we have a range in corners. We
Speaker 1: didn't use it seemingly. Wait wait wait wait wait wait
Speaker 1: wait wait wait did you say we have safety which
Speaker 1: is crazy? Is that I mean? I mean, honestly, no,
Speaker 1: no disrespect Donovan Wilson. Did we miss him this game. No, no,
Speaker 1: no disrespect. Can you say it again? We didn't miss
Speaker 1: the president and so yeah, so we have safety depth. Okay,
Speaker 1: so that's the thing. Whenever you have depth at a position,
Speaker 1: when you have one of your main guys go out.
Speaker 1: We had a starting safety out. We had two of
Speaker 1: our two defensive ends, our book ends us out. I
Speaker 1: don't feel like we missed them. I don't feel like
Speaker 1: we missed them in the game. Now what we have
Speaker 1: liked to have had them, salutely, but missing them and
Speaker 1: liking to have had them is two different things. Right,
Speaker 1: we had a rush. We would have expect it to
Speaker 1: have a rush with those guys. We had physical play
Speaker 1: and we had playmakers in a safety position. We would
Speaker 1: have liked to have Donaldan Wilson, But guess what are
Speaker 1: other guys that stepped up may plays. That's what it
Speaker 1: means to have depth. You will rather you like to
Speaker 1: have your guys there, but if they're not there, the
Speaker 1: guys behind them step up and make the same type
Speaker 1: of plays. So that's what I'm talking about. And dan
Speaker 1: Quinn said, from week to week, this is what you're
Speaker 1: gonna get whatever you have. I said this before we
Speaker 1: saw they're gonna line up and we do the same thing.
Speaker 1: On offense, we have to do the same thing officers.
Speaker 1: You're seeing it in Kelly Moore's play calls. You're seeing
Speaker 1: it in dan Quinn's ability to put Michael Parsons wherever
Speaker 1: the heck you might be. Guess what Michael person might
Speaker 1: be at dog on safety, he might be at corner.
Speaker 1: Right David Boston comes back and lines up out there.
Speaker 1: We might have put Partson to that corner because he
Speaker 1: was too sixty receiver. He was lighting up to the
Speaker 1: sideline against Fournette and week ones, he kind of so,
Speaker 1: I mean, so, I mean, that's that's what I love
Speaker 1: about this defense. And I knew this about dan Quinn.
Speaker 1: I know I have some history with him, but we
Speaker 1: have the personnel now to go do that from week
Speaker 1: to week. Yeah, that hybrid versatility that we have in
Speaker 1: multiple positions is paying off and being able to scheme
Speaker 1: it up is what dan Quinn is his strength that
Speaker 1: he has. But man, you talk about safety, you talk
Speaker 1: about curse. Man. I just I just think he had
Speaker 1: one hell of a game. And I heard him say
Speaker 1: that about Dono. I wouldn't have said that about Wilson.
Speaker 1: I know that's your Texas and him brother, and I
Speaker 1: saw you, I would I missed uh kind of going
Speaker 1: along with curse. I mean, you needed you needed guys
Speaker 1: to step up. You mentioned it, missing your two defensive ends.
Speaker 1: You're you're missing your safety. And then of course we
Speaker 1: talked about the offense already, but you're missing guys on offense.
Speaker 1: This is the first time in two maybe three years
Speaker 1: that injuries haven't derailed a team and you didn't feel like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, there is a gaping hole in this
Speaker 1: game plan because we were missing this guy here or
Speaker 1: that guy there. This is the first time I felt
Speaker 1: like there was still some cohesiveness and complimentary football played
Speaker 1: in on three phases whenever there were guys missing on
Speaker 1: multiple levels. The expectation is different. The expectation of this
Speaker 1: team is different, not only in just the three phases
Speaker 1: of the game, but cohesively as a as a unit,
Speaker 1: as a team. We expect, they expect. We already have
Speaker 1: our expectations. Sure, they expect to win. Last year, they hoped,
Speaker 1: they hope to win last year. Now they expect to win.
Speaker 1: A reason being, it started with the competitiveness in practice, right.
Speaker 1: It started with no one guy being greater than the
Speaker 1: other guy that starts. And that's a culture that we
Speaker 1: talked about. That's accepting your role. Right. Guess when you
Speaker 1: play a key role on this team. But guess what
Speaker 1: when I put you a musician to make play, this
Speaker 1: is what you do. I'm not gonna ask you to
Speaker 1: do anything outside of yourself, right, Robbie, you rush the passer?
Speaker 1: Guess what? Freaking rush the passer? Right? Right, Michael, guess
Speaker 1: what you normally playing. But I need you to be
Speaker 1: a dog and make this dude uncomfortable. Get to him
Speaker 1: every single play. Even if you don't get to him,
Speaker 1: make him get out of the pocket. I don't care.
Speaker 1: Just make him not set his feet. Okay, Coach, I
Speaker 1: got you. You know what I'm saying. Guess what, curse?
Speaker 1: Guess what? Donovan is gone? I need you to step
Speaker 1: up and make some dog on big plays. Digs shut
Speaker 1: down Allen Man didn't shut him down. But guess what
Speaker 1: we made some plays? Yeah? Right? And the same for
Speaker 1: like guys like Layton vander Esch, who we talked about
Speaker 1: last game that didn't have a whole bunch of reps.
Speaker 1: He comes back this game and has one hell of
Speaker 1: a game. Sack, big, big sack, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: it shows up and I love that's a great point
Speaker 1: that you just made, Isaiah, because you see this team competing.
Speaker 1: It not only if there's a guy missing, like you said,
Speaker 1: Michael comes in, but there was a point in the
Speaker 1: game where I was just like, boy, Tank would have
Speaker 1: killed this guy. Tank would have been all over this dude.
Speaker 1: You know that those were those are the production numbers
Speaker 1: that Tank would have definitely exercised the demons on this
Speaker 1: And it was almost like they they had Micah Russian
Speaker 1: off the other side against Rashawns later Na immediately, you
Speaker 1: know what, let's let's exploit the match up on the
Speaker 1: other side, and that was Later just just held him
Speaker 1: up like a little kid. That's a good adjustment. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean defensively, Kyle, you referenced it like they gave
Speaker 1: up chunks of yardage justin Herbert had a good day.
Speaker 1: I think I think you have to look at the
Speaker 1: fact that they faced two top ten quarterbacks, top five,
Speaker 1: top whatever in the first two games. I think that,
Speaker 1: you know, the competition was really tough, but look, they
Speaker 1: affected him and La was five of twelve on third down.
Speaker 1: That was that's good. And some of their conversions were
Speaker 1: like third and ten, third and fifteen, whatever, so they
Speaker 1: made it hard on him. I mean I was I
Speaker 1: wasn't for what they were missing. I thought that was
Speaker 1: a good performance, even though they kind of they dodged
Speaker 1: a couple they're they're late, for sure, they definitely dodged it.
Speaker 1: And Herbert got his phil three hundred and thirteen through
Speaker 1: the air, I mean, only ninety five on the ground,
Speaker 1: which is phenomenal compared to the run defense that you
Speaker 1: saw a year ago with this Cowboys defense. But Trey
Speaker 1: Von digs another interception. He's now had five interceptions in
Speaker 1: his first thirteen career games or fourteen career games. I
Speaker 1: can't remember which that second number was, but he's the
Speaker 1: first player to have five interception or excuse me, an
Speaker 1: interception in the first two weeks of the season since
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy five when Leroy Jordan did it. That's a
Speaker 1: long time ago, say long time. I think they amended
Speaker 1: that in the postgame notes. Did I think they went
Speaker 1: back and saw Roy Williams did it. No. Six, okay,
Speaker 1: but still still a long time fifteen years and you
Speaker 1: were asking is he the best corner they've had. You
Speaker 1: gotta do it like he would have done it to
Speaker 1: you or me if I had said that, well what,
Speaker 1: I don't think I would have done anything outside of
Speaker 1: what he'd be giving you the frat boy vibe. You
Speaker 1: know that was If anything, That's not my fault that
Speaker 1: the stat was wrong. I'm just come on go with
Speaker 1: But anyways, the um what were you saying about? Well,
Speaker 1: I was, I was going back to your teas. Is
Speaker 1: the best corner they've had in ten years? Is he?
Speaker 1: I don't think. I mean, this is the best start
Speaker 1: I've seen from a corner in two games. I mean
Speaker 1: even you know Keenan Allen got his but two picks
Speaker 1: to have the confidence for a second year guy to
Speaker 1: just say, hey, we're gonna stick you on the best
Speaker 1: receiver and we're gonna travel you no matter what. I mean,
Speaker 1: they haven't done that in ten years. No. Four catches
Speaker 1: one hundred and eight yards, and that one ball that
Speaker 1: Herbert threw to him in between the safety and corner,
Speaker 1: I just think that's what put him over a hundred yards.
Speaker 1: It's just an excellent throw yea by Herbert, and I
Speaker 1: think we all came away from the game saying, yeah,
Speaker 1: Herbert is a dude. Yeah, no doubt. Yeah, he's a baller.
Speaker 1: What do you think, Isaiah, he's a boss and I
Speaker 1: think he also think not only is he a good player,
Speaker 1: but at his office, ave coordinator Lombardi does a great
Speaker 1: job put him in position to be successful. I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean you expect that from every office of coordinator,
Speaker 1: but every office of coordinator doesn't do that. Their system
Speaker 1: allows for them to be very efficient, very efficient, And
Speaker 1: he doesn't have to make these crazy throws. Now, he's
Speaker 1: gonna make one or two a game, but he's not
Speaker 1: forced to do that, you know, ten plus times a game,
Speaker 1: just chucking this thing down the field they hit me
Speaker 1: his rosor high percision. What do you think about Treyvon
Speaker 1: Diggs and his his day overall? I think Diggs had
Speaker 1: a good day. I think he had a good day.
Speaker 1: I think he's I mean every game, I feel like
Speaker 1: he's like he's like the He's like like a video game,
Speaker 1: very video game character that just keeps learning all the
Speaker 1: different moves, you know what I mean, Like every time, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's exactly processing exactly and keeps learning new techniques. I
Speaker 1: saw that last week. But no, I think he's doing
Speaker 1: a great job. Man. I think he'll continue to get
Speaker 1: better obviously, I mean, is he the best corner in
Speaker 1: the last ten years. I don't know. Man, He's he's
Speaker 1: off to a great He's off to a great start though,
Speaker 1: and I think, you know, the confidence that you're going
Speaker 1: to gain, the confidence that the coach is instilling him.
Speaker 1: He has an amazing coach and Harris Um and then
Speaker 1: he also has Dan Quinn calling and plays and trusting him,
Speaker 1: telling him, Hey, no matter who we play, you're sticking
Speaker 1: their number one. Yeah. Right, So going into this next week,
Speaker 1: I think he's really confident, you know, going into this
Speaker 1: next week, having just face freaking Evans and face Allan,
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be pretty confident going against Smith,
Speaker 1: you know, coming up this week, Jalen Rager and DeVante Smith,
Speaker 1: whoever ends up being the quote unquote number one receivers.
Speaker 1: I think you're pretty confident going to thank you feel
Speaker 1: pretty good after having to face Allan Sans in weeks
Speaker 1: one and two. It's the lowest scoring w for the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys since November twenty ninth of twenty eighteen against
Speaker 1: the New Orleans Saints. That game was thirteen to ten.
Speaker 1: This is the lowest scoring win since that point. Wow,
Speaker 1: so it's been a while since the Cowboys have won
Speaker 1: a game like that, and gotta give a lot of
Speaker 1: credit to the defense. When we come back, we'll wrap
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Speaker 1: fun I mean, that was a fun game to watch.
Speaker 1: Did you eat a dub like Jamison Winston last? I
Speaker 1: should have. I'm not as good about that out there.
Speaker 1: He did not eat a dub. Yes, they lost twenty
Speaker 1: six to seven to the Carolina Panthers. The Cowboys, by
Speaker 1: the way, tide of top the NFC East. How about
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Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Eagles coming up this weekend. Whole matchup back
Speaker 1: at eight, got to be loud. Yeah, that's gonna be
Speaker 1: all the fans out there turn up three straight home games.
Speaker 1: About that, Yeah, because then the Panthers come to town
Speaker 1: and then sit the Giants after that Week five, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because it's the same week that. You know what I
Speaker 1: want to see, Kyle, I want to see. I want
Speaker 1: to see at and T Stadium rocking like the old
Speaker 1: Texas Stadium. I want to see it rocking like that.
Speaker 1: That was a vibe. That was a vibe. I think
Speaker 1: we've gotten a little bit, you know, you know, since
Speaker 1: we got the new state. Yeah, I want to see Philip,
Speaker 1: even if you're boogie out there, even if you got
Speaker 1: some bread in the back, that's okay. Come and act
Speaker 1: a fool this Sunday, because Monday, all right, Monday night.
Speaker 1: Even more reason, you got work next day. So listen up,
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Speaker 1: the custom system custom Let's get it done. No pinkies
Speaker 1: in the air, Yeah, no, that turn up. Let's let's
Speaker 1: do something we haven't done on this show in quite
Speaker 1: some time. Yes, let's give out some smelly stickers. How
Speaker 1: about that? Bring it back a tradition from early twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: We kind of went away from it for a little bit,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna have the smelly stickers for some reason. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we that's true. We weren't able to get This is
Speaker 1: basically a segment. It's kind of like helmet stickers, but
Speaker 1: instead we go smelly stickers and we scratch and sniff,
Speaker 1: and we placed it on those who deserve it. So Rob,
Speaker 1: I'll let you start us off. Who deserves your smelly
Speaker 1: sticker for the win yesterday over the Chargers. Michael Parsons.
Speaker 1: Michael Parsons said, that's so yeah, like profident, I'm surprised.
Speaker 1: I was surprise he played so at least less, but
Speaker 1: like people on the Twitter telling me, look on the sideline,
Speaker 1: he looked gassed. That's how much she was how much
Speaker 1: effort he was giving in trying to provide that pass
Speaker 1: rush off the edge, you know, like different between sitting
Speaker 1: in the box of the second level and giving an
Speaker 1: effort out the blocks every single time for thirty nine
Speaker 1: place that is draining. Yeah, and he got better as
Speaker 1: he came along to rain pounder. Yeah, just the motor,
Speaker 1: the production, the midweek switch and being willing to do
Speaker 1: that in a second NFL game. Smelly stickery root beers?
Speaker 1: Is it the root beer smell? Yeah, that's a good one. Nostrils.
Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna I'm gonna give my smelly sticker
Speaker 1: to number seventy Zach Martin. What Yeah, I'm giving it
Speaker 1: to Zach Man. Zach. Just ah, Zach Martin makes everything better.
Speaker 1: That's just that's just what it is. And he has
Speaker 1: to get my smelly sticker, Zach. Whole offense just bananas man,
Speaker 1: all right, okay, banana banana banana. Um, there's a orange.
Speaker 1: Huh his orange. I am going with tern Steele. Tern Steele.
Speaker 1: He brought his his big white drawls, the old school drawl,
Speaker 1: the work drawls. He brought those. He didn't bring the
Speaker 1: box of briefs. Okay. He didn't bring the nice ones,
Speaker 1: the nice ones with the little machine. He brought the
Speaker 1: old condes, the old cotton ones that you're putting these on.
Speaker 1: I'm about to go do the yard. He put them
Speaker 1: drawls on and he came to work. Smell Aaron cow bite.
Speaker 1: There's this week's cow bite. Make sure you're listening. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get mine to to Tony Pollard. Since we haven't
Speaker 1: we haven't had a chance to talk about it a
Speaker 1: whole lot. But Tony Pollard thirteen carries one hundred and
Speaker 1: nine yards, and yes, the offensive line paved the way.
Speaker 1: But it was kind of like what Zeke was saying,
Speaker 1: whoever is rolling, whoever has that hot hand, they're gonna
Speaker 1: get the football. And Tony Pollard had the hot hand
Speaker 1: and he was able to to convert on multiple occasions,
Speaker 1: and not only in the run game, but in the
Speaker 1: passing game as well, and he capped off with a
Speaker 1: big touchdown too, So my sticker goes to Tony Pollard definitely, Yeah,
Speaker 1: what did it smell like? Oh? I don't know. You
Speaker 1: guys took like the only three flavors, imel strawberry. I'll
Speaker 1: give him a watermelono you to pick the work draws.
Speaker 1: I hope that's not as I never want that sticker
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