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Speaker 1: Here's why. I think when we looked at what they've

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Speaker 2: So they're doing like if you would put a list

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Speaker 2: But if you put a list, well, it's gonna you

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Speaker 1: I agree. I've always really enjoyed my conversations with Dusty

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Speaker 1: So I'll have be candid here. After the game today

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Speaker 2: But you can tell even Nolan Gorman, all right, he

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Speaker 2: is where you're.

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Speaker 3: Get in trouble, and this is what you're gonna have

436
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Speaker 3: to do.

437
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Speaker 2: And Miles Michaels, who's a prideful guy, you know, he

438
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Speaker 2: doesn't want to be a guy with a five plus era.

439
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Speaker 2: He made the changes he needed to me. They made

440
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Speaker 2: recommendations deliveratore about you know, you have to what's he

441
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Speaker 2: throwing more? I always get those things confused. Is he

442
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Speaker 2: throwing the cutter more or the for the slider more?

443
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Speaker 3: One of the two?

444
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Speaker 1: His pittricks hasn't totally changed, right, but it ultimately depends

445
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Speaker 1: on the outing, so it's more of an even mix.

446
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Speaker 1: But there is sometimes an emphasis on the cutter, sometimes

447
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Speaker 1: an emphasis on the sticker.

448
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Speaker 2: So they've made recommendations to players that you can see

449
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Speaker 2: the results, the positive results, and that's really something that's

450
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Speaker 2: you got to give them credit to. This team's got

451
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Speaker 2: a shared mindset, they got a shared philosophy, they have

452
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Speaker 2: a shared personality. Everybody's on the same page and it's

453
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Speaker 2: really really cool to see. And the other thing I

454
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Speaker 2: like about this team, if I could just throw this

455
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Speaker 2: out here, is that when you have an underdog team

456
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Speaker 2: that no one thinks is going to do anything right,

457
00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:44,919
Speaker 2: a lot of doom and gloom Saint Louis and elsewhere.

458
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Speaker 2: You know, national writers, and I don't blame them, they

459
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Speaker 2: just weren't expecting the Cardinals to be anything really well,

460
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Speaker 2: you need some surprises, you need some people like all right,

461
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Speaker 2: if I would have told you at the end of

462
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Speaker 2: last season, mss Katie Wu, if I would have told

463
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Speaker 2: you said, well, you know, with all due respect to

464
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Speaker 2: Sonny Gray, in terms of the two best, the two

465
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Speaker 2: most important things that have happened with this rotation, what

466
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Speaker 2: if I told you, Katie, by Memorial Day, Miles Michaelis

467
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Speaker 2: would have like a like a two O five e

468
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Speaker 2: R since that start in Boston or whatever it is.

469
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Speaker 2: And Matthew Liberator, who has never been given a full

470
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Speaker 2: time opportunity to start that he would have a better

471
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Speaker 2: fielding independity R than Paul Skene's uh Max Free, Chris Sales,

472
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Speaker 2: Zach Wheeler, on and on and on.

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Speaker 3: He's he's he's a top ten.

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Speaker 2: Major league starter. So I don't know who played that ticket.

475
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Speaker 2: Like basically, in a way, they're two best starters. Especially

476
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Speaker 2: what I'm not doing a good job explaining this, they're

477
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Speaker 2: two best starters in terms of wildly exceeding expectations.

478
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Speaker 3: Are Liberator and Michaelis to.

479
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Speaker 2: Use a horse racing term, like who had that exact ticket?

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't have that.

481
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Speaker 2: It's not that I thought Limit Tour would stake.

482
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Speaker 3: It's just we had to see it. We didn't know

483
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Speaker 3: right well, I never going to.

484
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Speaker 1: Give him the opportunity in the first place. That was

485
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Speaker 1: already where I was having some doubts and yeah, in

486
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Speaker 1: not two years where it doesn't look good. And you know,

487
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Speaker 1: I've people on the show know this. I really like

488
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Speaker 1: and enjoy covering Miles michael As. I find it to

489
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Speaker 1: be very refreshing, very honest, prideful, but understanding of what

490
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Speaker 1: the expectations are and to be able to see two

491
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Speaker 1: different guys, right like Miles Michaelis go out there and

492
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Speaker 1: have a turning point in the season and say like,

493
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Speaker 1: this is not working. I don't want to I want

494
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Speaker 1: to help win games. I don't want to be a

495
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Speaker 1: reason we're not. And turning that around after over a

496
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Speaker 1: decade of service time making a career out of something

497
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Speaker 1: he was good at, now at thirty six years old,

498
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Speaker 1: saying it's either adapt or get out. He adapted, then

499
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Speaker 1: you have a whole on the whole other side, Liberatore

500
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Speaker 1: just starting his career as a starting pitcher. They given

501
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Speaker 1: this opportunity, We've talked about this. They allow him to

502
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Speaker 1: go out there and fail if he has to. When

503
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Speaker 1: he rewards them by seizing the opportunity and running with it.

504
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's two completely different ends at the spectrum.

505
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Speaker 1: The result is these guys took this challenge to heart,

506
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Speaker 1: they had a staff that was willing to back them up,

507
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Speaker 1: and now you're reaping the rewards. I mean, Miles Michaelis.

508
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Speaker 1: People are gonna hate this one. He's a formidable middle

509
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Speaker 1: of the rotation army. From almost every single stat that

510
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Speaker 1: you used to evaluate success. Sure, the analytics or the

511
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Speaker 1: expected stats suggest that a drop off is coming, but

512
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Speaker 1: it hasn't so far. So I would never have guessed this.

513
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Speaker 1: In fact, if you would have told me what you

514
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Speaker 1: just said, Bernie, I would have asked you, like, what

515
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 1: kind of drugs are you on?

516
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Speaker 2: I would love exactly exactly. You know, Nicholas has been really,

517
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Speaker 2: really good.

518
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Speaker 3: I mean I was looking up symmetrics.

519
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Speaker 2: I'm not going to read them to you, but you

520
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:51,440
Speaker 2: know he's those pitches he used to leave off the plate. No,

521
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Speaker 2: I'm sorry that he would get too much of the plate.

522
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Speaker 2: He's now he's now doing very well that on those

523
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,880
Speaker 2: pitches they're shadow pitches just off the plate. He's done

524
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Speaker 2: very well with him, and he's he realizes now what

525
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,199
Speaker 2: the deal is, and he's savvy enough to set the

526
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Speaker 2: hitters up, but he's not going to feed them strikes

527
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Speaker 2: when they're expecting strikes to come.

528
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Speaker 3: He's just not going to do it.

529
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Speaker 2: And I just think he deserves a lot of credit.

530
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Speaker 2: So you you mentioned the buy in, Miles Michaelis totally

531
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Speaker 2: has bought in. And the one thing that's the one

532
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Speaker 2: thing that surprised me in a way is like, I'll

533
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Speaker 2: just reference cam Wax because I'm on there a lot.

534
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Speaker 2: And uh, this past week, we we we must have

535
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Speaker 2: got two or three comments from from listeners, which is fine,

536
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 2: but they said he can't understand why, you know, hey,

537
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Speaker 2: Miles Michaelis is pitching great, why does Olly take him

538
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Speaker 2: out after sixty sixty.

539
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Speaker 1: Five pitches and fast the narrative? Fast?

540
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Speaker 3: Oh my goodness.

541
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Speaker 2: And it's just I just said, I said, if Olly

542
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Speaker 2: wasn't doing that, it would actually be managerial malpractice. And

543
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Speaker 2: you know what, you know who agrees with that, Miles

544
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 2: Michaelas see, Miles michaels like he's got he's got a

545
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Speaker 2: lot of prime and he doesn't if he's pitching a

546
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Speaker 2: good game and he's gone five or even if he's

547
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 2: gone five and two thirds or he's going Any pitcher

548
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,400
Speaker 2: who believes in himself is not going to like being

549
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Speaker 2: taken out. But Miles completely understands why, and he can

550
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Speaker 2: look at the numbers as well, and you don't want

551
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Speaker 2: him in their third time through the lineup. That's his

552
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Speaker 2: disaster zone. So why would I I don't understand why

553
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Speaker 2: people want to space more out of Michaelis when Ali

554
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Speaker 2: and Dusty Blake and Miles himself they're getting the maximum

555
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Speaker 2: out of him. So why in the world would you

556
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Speaker 2: want to change the formula?

557
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Speaker 1: Well, why do you think Miles Michaelis is doing so well?

558
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Speaker 3: Right?

559
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 1: Because they're managing the workload, the execution, the game plan,

560
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Speaker 1: and yes, he is producing and performing. Of course, I'm not,

561
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Speaker 1: obviously not going to suggest otherwise. But part of the

562
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Speaker 1: reason why his era is lowered now to three five

563
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 1: two one five cents that start against Boston is because

564
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Speaker 1: they're taking him out of the right spots and they've

565
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Speaker 1: extended some sort of a longer lea in situations where

566
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Speaker 1: he's mourned it. You think about that game in Kansas City,

567
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Speaker 1: he goes third time through the order. That's not something

568
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Speaker 1: that he had it done in years or in weeks prior.

569
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Speaker 1: But he pitched so well and had been so effective

570
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 1: that all he and Dusta said, let's reward him. Let's

571
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Speaker 1: give give him an opportunity he gets through the inning.

572
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Speaker 1: It's not going to happen like that every single time,

573
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Speaker 1: but Miles has such a he's so efficient, right, so

574
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Speaker 1: he has a low pitch count. That's all you see

575
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Speaker 1: if you see, why is your manager taking out the

576
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 1: starting pitchers at seventy five pitches after six innings. It's

577
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,160
Speaker 1: bigger than that, though, and how they've been managing Miles

578
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 1: is exactly why he's had a good portion of success

579
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Speaker 1: that he has had so far. And we'll see him,

580
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 1: we'll see how this rotation looks. They'll have a weird

581
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 1: matchup in Baltimore and then Texas as well coming up

582
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Speaker 1: on the six game road trip. We'll break that down

583
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Speaker 1: All Right, So some programming notes. I will not be

597
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,640
Speaker 1: with the team in Baltimore. I will take enough series off.

598
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 1: I get one a month, and it was this one.

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00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 1: And I'll meet the team in Doubt Arlington before Friday's game.

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Speaker 1: But things that I'm looking at right now, it's not

601
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Speaker 1: great in Baltimore. That Baltimore team reminds me a lot

602
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 1: of the twenty twenty three Cardinals, and just no pitching,

603
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: things off the rails, no direction. They already fired their manager.

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Speaker 1: Think about how about this, Bernie. Not that I would

605
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 1: ever suggest this, I would never want this for anybody,

606
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: But what did you have the guess that Allie Marmle

607
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 1: would have had a job over Derek Shelton, Bud Black

608
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Speaker 1: and Brandon Hyde.

609
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 2: Probably not, probably not, but here probably not, you know,

610
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Speaker 2: especially Brandon Hyde and It's not like Bud Black or

611
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Speaker 2: Derek Shelton.

612
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Speaker 3: Had a chance either.

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Speaker 2: And with Brandon Hyde, I can kind of understand it. It

614
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 2: was a there was a weird team. They just that's

615
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 2: a team that whatever the things that we attribute to

616
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 2: the Cardinals having his collective mindset, they're they're they're great competitors,

617
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Speaker 2: they grind, they're intense.

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Speaker 3: Uh you get them down in the game.

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Speaker 2: They're they're gonna they're gonna rise up and try to

620
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 2: at least try to fight back, you know, and and

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Speaker 2: all you know that the connection between the coaches, the

622
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Speaker 2: manager and the players is really really strong. I mean,

623
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 2: you can see that alignment. That's a that's a word.

624
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 2: It became a buzzword. Like in college football. Well, they

625
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 2: have the alignment from the university president all the way

626
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 2: down to the you know, the position coaches. We have

627
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Speaker 2: an alignment. The Cardinals have an alignment. They really do.

628
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Speaker 2: The Orioles from what I can tell. And I follow

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Speaker 2: them sort sort of closely because it's team I grew

630
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Speaker 2: up with my brother who will be there tomorrow. By

631
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Speaker 2: the way, they're they're big fans, and he just said, like,

632
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Speaker 2: I don't know what they're I don't know what their

633
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 2: philosophy is. I don't know what they stand for, what's

634
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 2: their identity. They're just like, Okay, let's go play. You know,

635
00:29:56,280 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 2: it's like there's nothing. The Cardinals have these qualities you

636
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 2: can point to. So yeah, but the only the only

637
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 2: thing is that you know the and they've been awful,

638
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 2: but they have they have one two in a row.

639
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 2: So hope they're not getting it for the Cardinals saying

640
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Speaker 2: not getting not not starting to fill.

641
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 3: Their roads a little bit. But that's baseball, right, that's baseball.

642
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Speaker 2: Who in the world thought the Cardinals would be sitting

643
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Speaker 2: here on Memorial Day Eve not only a better record

644
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Speaker 2: than an than the Ools, but a much better record

645
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Speaker 2: than the Ools?

646
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Speaker 3: Right?

647
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Speaker 2: Who would have thought that? Who would have thought, I'm

648
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Speaker 2: gonna throw this one out again? Who would have thought that?

649
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 2: As we sit here at a Memorial Day twenty twenty five,

650
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Speaker 2: then since since Craig Council became the Cubs manager at

651
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Speaker 2: the start of twenty twenty four, who.

652
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Speaker 3: Would have thought?

653
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 2: Who would have bet that Ali Marmel would only have

654
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 2: two fewer wins in Craig Council, right, and Craig Council

655
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 2: with every advantage that the manager could ask for, right,

656
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 2: every advantage a manager can ask for.

657
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 3: But yet Ali's only won two fewer games, so.

658
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 2: You know, it's a out time that he gets and

659
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 2: the coaches they get credit. If we are going to

660
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 2: rip them collectively, fans, media, whomever, if we're going to

661
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 2: point fingers and rip them when things are going wrong,

662
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 2: I do not understand, nor do I respect the people

663
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 2: that hold praise when he deserves praise.

664
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Speaker 3: You can't have it both ways.

665
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 2: You can't blame him when something When they're going bad,

666
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 2: it's the manager, he's terrible. But when they're playing great, great,

667
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 2: great baseball, and the team's fired up and they have

668
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 2: a great personality, they have an identity, they have a

669
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 2: great coaching staff, everyone's on the same page. The energy

670
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 2: level is fantastic. So what they're doing this in spite

671
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 2: of the manager? Is anyone who's got a reasonably sane

672
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 2: person Is anyone trying to do that they're doing.

673
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 3: It in spite of the manager. I don't think so.

674
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 2: And as you know, I haven't held back when I

675
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 2: think Ali's messing up some stuff, but that that.

676
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Speaker 3: That has nothing to do with like these sweeping judgment.

677
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 2: Oh he's terrible. No, I just thought he made a

678
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 2: mistake there. There's a difference, right, So anyway, I had

679
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 2: to get on my soapbox there because I it just

680
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Speaker 2: I think, I think fans are coming around on this

681
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 2: team and on him.

682
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 3: I do.

683
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Speaker 1: Well, that's a perfect segue into what it will be

684
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Speaker 1: our last segment. Okay, Bush Stadium. I did a piece

685
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Speaker 1: of The Athletic over the weekend about the improving the

686
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Speaker 1: end game experience because there are several investments being made.

687
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Speaker 1: And before we get into that, yes, I know the

688
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: best way to get fans back at the ballpark is

689
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: by winning ball games. I know that, but as someone

690
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: who you know is in still in her twenties, if

691
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: I go to a baseball game, I want an entertainment

692
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: product too. And for the last couple of years, respectfully

693
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 1: to everyone working there, have a ton of friends that

694
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: work there, the experience felt very stale and it just

695
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 1: felt like it was it could have been so much

696
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 1: better because I think Bushadium is one of the most

697
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 1: beautiful stadiums in baseball. I don't think there's a bad seat.

698
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: I love that you're there for a baseball game, and

699
00:32:56,440 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: I love the fans in bus Shadium. They are fantastic,

700
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: but man, I just felt like they hadn't upgraded anything

701
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 1: in years, and they're really trying to appeal to a

702
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: younger generation, the younger demographic in their twenties and thirties.

703
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 1: So this is somewhere that my friends and I've been

704
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 1: into and while also in you know, instilling the same

705
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 1: kind of tradition and modern baseball game that their longtime

706
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 1: fans have been accustomed to. So it's a tough line

707
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: to draw, but I think they're doing a nice job

708
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: and trying to figure out what works there. But what

709
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: I really saw of what works there is winning baseball.

710
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 1: Because the atmosphere at Bushadium this weekend was electric. I

711
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: was locked in on every pitch and I'd players telling

712
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: me after the game, setting me text after the game,

713
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: Like the atmosphere at bush was great Friday, Saturday, even

714
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 1: today with some rainy weather. I feel like the city

715
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 1: of Saint Louis is buying back into their Cardinals team,

716
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: and I hope they are because it just makes things

717
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 1: so much more fun when you have, you know, you

718
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: have a come from behind victory in the eighth inning

719
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Speaker 1: where you have your closer blowing doors to save the game,

720
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Speaker 1: and then in the ninth you have your third baseman

721
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Speaker 1: diving into the stands to make a play to save

722
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: the game. Like just hearing the fan reaction from that,

723
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 1: it just solidifies the experience so much better. So while

724
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Speaker 1: I commend the Cardinals for the changes of making to

725
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: the in game experience, go check that out on the

726
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 1: Athletic if you choose, I also commend the fans for

727
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:21,399
Speaker 1: coming back to the ballpark and making bushad him feel

728
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 1: like Bushadium again.

729
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 2: No, because it's a special place when it's right. And

730
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 2: it's been really depressing to see the empty sea a

731
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 2: red and it really is. It's frustrating. It's depressing. I

732
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 2: don't people have the right to spend their money as

733
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 2: they want, and there are some reasons for people to

734
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 2: be frustrated and disillusioned. But then when the team that's

735
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 2: actually in the field is this exciting, is this charming?

736
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 3: Is this likable?

737
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 2: And they play the style of baseball that Saint Louis's

738
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 2: of a certain age love and always harken back to,

739
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,359
Speaker 2: you know, when you know Tony's teams did this, White

740
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 2: these teams did this, and I get it, I get it.

741
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 3: That's okay.

742
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 2: These teams are showing, like we're talking about characteristics. They

743
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 2: haven't accomplished anything yet, but they're showing those kind of

744
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 2: style points and characteristics that we as Saint Louis and

745
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 2: baseball fans going way back, claim that's the thing. Those

746
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 2: are the things we love about a team, and this

747
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 2: team has a lot of those factors. So yeah, I

748
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 2: was going to tell you I read the story and

749
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 2: I liked it, and I thought you did a great job.

750
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 2: And I also appreciated their candor in talking about basically

751
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 2: like what we don't have an answer yet, We're going

752
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,959
Speaker 2: to be trying different things. We're going to be experimenting, right,

753
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 2: and that's the.

754
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 3: Way to do it. That's the way to do it.

755
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,839
Speaker 2: So I was I always read the comments section under

756
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 2: your pieces because I think I think you have a

757
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:56,280
Speaker 2: very loyal readership, which doesn't surprise me. But man, Katie,

758
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 2: your people's they were going nuts over that.

759
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 3: They were just blasts than everybody.

760
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: I've got that one, Yeah, but I don't.

761
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 2: I mean again, I get I get a lot of

762
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 2: why people are fed up, but if they're if they're

763
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 2: making an effort to get young fans in and the

764
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 2: baseball experience is actually separate about whether the team that's

765
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 2: seven games above five hundred or five hundred or a

766
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 2: few games below, you still you still want to have

767
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 2: a great ballpark experience. So my thing is, well, let

768
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:34,839
Speaker 2: them try this there. Look, did it take them too

769
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 2: long to kind of realize well, wait a minute, we're

770
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 2: a little outdated here. Okay, uh, they're there. They were

771
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 2: like they were like somebody walking around using a BlackBerry.

772
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 2: It's like, yo, nobody uses blackberries really, right. So I

773
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 2: am not gonna like, I will foam at the mouth

774
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 2: about a lot of stuff. I will not foam at

775
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 2: the mouth of an organization's trying to do something and

776
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 2: they're even being straightforward and say, well, we're not sure.

777
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 2: You know what that magic spot is. You're like, what

778
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 2: that magic touch is, but we're not sure. But we're

779
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 2: gonna try a lot of things. We're gonna see what,

780
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,800
Speaker 2: you know, the response to this or that. I commend

781
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 2: them for that. I don't shred them for that. You know, well,

782
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 2: we'll see if it improves over time. But I thought

783
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 2: it was a great story. It was very enlightening, and

784
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 2: it's I'm always disappointed as a journalist or as a

785
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 2: commentator whatever the heck you want to call me. I'm

786
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 2: always disappointed when in effect somebody likes you. It takes

787
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 2: the time to do all that talk and to do

788
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 2: to talk to all them and get all this feedback,

789
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 2: and they're very, very candid with you, and they're like

790
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 2: laying it on the line, and they're telling you exactly

791
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 2: where they went wrong. They're owning up to it. Okay,

792
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 2: we got to do this, We got to do that.

793
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 2: This is the base, this is the age groups we

794
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 2: have to be more appealing to. But and in effect,

795
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 2: for being honest, it got them a lot of scorn

796
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 2: and ridicule. I've never understood that do you want these

797
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 2: people that we cover to be honest with us or

798
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 2: or you know, or do you want us you want

799
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 2: to you want want them to feed us a bunch

800
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 2: of bs?

801
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 3: You know?

802
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that's what we sign up for, right Bernie,

803
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: And like fans right to feel the way that they do.

804
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 1: And I do think once the overall frustration with ownership settled,

805
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,359
Speaker 1: if it settles down, fans will be able to look

806
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: at that information in a new light. But right now,

807
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: I mean, this is this is a show me state.

808
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: For a reason, they're as fans in baseball for a reason,

809
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 1: they have high standards. So for an organization to go

810
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: out and be like, oh, yeah, you know, we're we're

811
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: trying to improve the stadium in the experience. Here's what

812
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: we're doing. Of course, the response is gonna be like,

813
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: well about you win games and then we'll come, of course.

814
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 1: But what I would encourage fans to do who are

815
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: skeptical about coming back to the stadium, whatever reasons may be,

816
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 1: is just read it and hear what Cardinals brass is saying,

817
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 1: what builds what the third is saying on Hey, you know,

818
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 1: we need to do better for our fan base. Yeah,

819
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 1: they need to do better across the board baseball and business.

820
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 1: But these things are like they're intertwined, They're they absolutely

821
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 1: are part of the cycle together. So if you want

822
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: the Cardinals to have a better game to experience, yes,

823
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: the club needs to be better on the field, But

824
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 1: if you want fans to come to the ballpark just

825
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: for a casual day, you need to give them a

826
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 1: reason to And what we're seeing over the last homestand

827
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 1: was that fans are having good time coming back.

828
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 2: To And just so just so fans watching this don't

829
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:20,320
Speaker 2: misunderstand because I talk a lout and sometimes it's easy

830
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 2: to uh, maybe I meant I fail to make my

831
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 2: own point very well. But no, they have every right

832
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 2: to expect better and to demand better. My point is,

833
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 2: I don't care what anybody that's running a business. It's

834
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 2: like there's an obligation to the customers, and customers can

835
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 2: feel however they want to feel about something. My point is,

836
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:47,359
Speaker 2: just like before condemning them, just wait, just just wait

837
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 2: and see if it's working, if the stuff at the

838
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 2: ballpark gets better.

839
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 3: I just don't.

840
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,720
Speaker 2: I've never been the type to just condemn something before

841
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,479
Speaker 2: anyone's even had a chance to roll out what they're doing.

842
00:39:58,920 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 3: So that's all.

843
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 2: That's that's the only point I'm made. But if people

844
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 2: if people want to make fun of the Cardinals, make

845
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 2: fun of the Cardinals, I mean, it's okay.

846
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:07,399
Speaker 3: I don't work. I don't work for the Cardinals, so yeah,

847
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 3: you're not hurt my feelings.

848
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: Well, we'll see what this looks like when they come

849
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: back from the road again, a six game, seven day trip,

850
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:17,399
Speaker 1: all interleague games three against the Baltimore Orioles. I don't

851
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 1: know why, I'll just call them the Baltimore Ravens. I'm tired.

852
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 1: An off day in Arlington on Thursday, and then three

853
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 1: against the Rangers before coming back for a ten game

854
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 1: homestand at Bush Stadium. Let's see these birds can keep

855
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 1: it rolling finish out the month of May. Strong. As always,

856
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: Katie Bernie here to break things down for you. Will

857
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 1: be back with you next week. Thanks as always. Oh

858
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: my gosh, I almost forgot this fifth episode of Cardinal Territory,

859
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 1: which is crazy. I cannot believe anyone who's given me

860
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,839
Speaker 1: a platform for this long. I mean, I still don't

861
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: know how the athletic has kept me hired. But before

862
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Speaker 1: we sign off, thank you Cardinal Territory subscribers, fans, supporters,

863
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 1: whether you're on YouTube, Spotify, Apple, even if you just

864
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,359
Speaker 1: follow along on Twitter. We can't do this without you.

865
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 1: I don't have a job without you, and I really

866
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Speaker 1: appreciate the support. So here's another fifty more with better

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Speaker 1: ad reads.

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Speaker 2: At least that's part of the entertainment, is it, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it is?

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Speaker 1: Oh well, I'll try to about You.

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Speaker 2: Know, nobody wants to see you be perfect. You know

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Speaker 2: you need to have that what's the word, what's the phrase?

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Speaker 3: I want to use.

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Speaker 2: I was going to say the common man touch, it

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Speaker 2: wouldn't be that the common person, the common person touch,

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Speaker 2: Like yeah, Katy, Katie, I'm yeah, Like all this stuff's

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Speaker 2: new to Katie. Let's see what Let's see how she

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Speaker 2: does this week and say it's it's it's all right

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Speaker 2: because listen, if somebody be asking me to push buttons

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Speaker 2: and get the right graphics on the screen, oh my goodness,

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Speaker 2: are you kidding me?

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Speaker 3: You're doing fine?

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Speaker 1: So if I am anything you guys, it is entertaining.

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Speaker 1: So hopefully you find this podcast the same way. For Bernie,

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Speaker 1: I'm Katie. We're back with you next week. Thanks, as

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Speaker 1: always for watching.