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Speaker 2: Ull that for me, I'm a man, I'm forty. I've

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Speaker 2: heard so many players say, well, I want to be happy.

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Speaker 2: You want to be happy for a day? Edith Steak

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Speaker 2: is that whoo whoo? And them?

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Speaker 1: And Tie Dan Rubinstein. Can you believe we're halfway through

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Speaker 1: our previews? Are thereabouts halfway through our previews in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four?

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Speaker 2: When are we doing PAC twelve? I feel like we

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Speaker 2: all have that on the schedule.

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Speaker 1: Gonna be a little bit later.

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Speaker 2: We're doing PAC two though.

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Speaker 1: We will do the PAC two. Yeah, we'll do the

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Speaker 1: PAC two. We'll do Notre Dame, We'll do UMass, We'll

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Speaker 1: we'll make sure that we cover all the teams, as

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Speaker 1: we said, every team, every conference. We've been working on

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Speaker 1: this since the latter part of July. Now, Hello, welcome back.

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Speaker 1: I'm Tie he is Dan. This is a solid verbal.

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Speaker 1: This is the SEC episode.

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Speaker 2: Because you already know that you've clicked the link on

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Speaker 1: That is correct. There wore a collared shirt for this

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Speaker 1: regal occasion. God, look at you breaking out of your vines.

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Speaker 1: My normal T shirt regimen. Yeah, we've been doing three

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Speaker 1: part previews for all the Power conferences, the ACC and

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Speaker 1: Big twelve already in the can. Today is the SEC though.

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Speaker 1: Here is the way we are doing this. We're starting

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Speaker 1: them so far. We're going to talk through what's new

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Speaker 1: in each conference. We're going to talk through how we

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Speaker 1: rank the teams in the conference. We're going to talk

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Speaker 1: through emerging storylines in the Southeastern Conference. So there is

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Speaker 1: a lot to get through here today on the Part one,

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Speaker 1: and then as we get into Part two and Part

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Speaker 1: three obviously that's where we get into individual team previews.

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Speaker 2: And like mister Rubenstein, I wrote out all of my

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Speaker 2: Solid Verbal, I went legal Pad. I went legal pad

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Speaker 2: new studying strategy. And there is I've said this before,

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Speaker 2: there's something I appreciate about, like the tactile nature of things,

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Speaker 1: I also wanted to mention, and I feel horrible about this.

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Speaker 1: I missed your birthday last week.

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Speaker 2: You did miss my birthday and it's okay. You know,

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Speaker 2: I'm in my late thirties early forties, and uh it's okay.

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Speaker 1: Well, happy birthday to you. It sounds like you may

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Speaker 2: I can't wait. I already have like my blueprint for

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Speaker 2: It's all set. It's all like the breathable fabrics, the

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Speaker 1: Well, we are excited to be with one and all

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Speaker 1: here today to talk all things sec. If you're new here,

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Speaker 1: There's only one thing you love, Danny. That's danger.

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Speaker 2: The sec. So this is the same woman quote unquote

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Speaker 2: So we're we're looking through the lens of danger tie

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Speaker 1: Well, but it's really funny that you bring that up

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Speaker 2: to hope that this player from Miami of Ohio, from

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Speaker 1: The things that jumped out at me were and some

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Speaker 1: people may shudder at me saying this, but college football

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Speaker 1: If you look across all of the schedules that these

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Speaker 2: there's no there's no contending tier that include Georgia.

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Speaker 1: You don't think they're so obvious that they stand alone?

432
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:19,760
Speaker 1: What does that mean?

433
00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:21,920
Speaker 2: That means I don't think they're on their own tier.

434
00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,880
Speaker 2: I don't think it's Georgia and everybody else in this conference.

435
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:27,920
Speaker 2: I would lump Georgia in with other teams. I feel

436
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:28,639
Speaker 2: our contenders.

437
00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:30,239
Speaker 1: Who else are you lumping them in with?

438
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,720
Speaker 2: Okay, I have five contenders right now, Ty, just because

439
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:36,439
Speaker 2: I think it's more difficult, I have Georgia lumped in

440
00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:39,560
Speaker 2: with Texas, Alabama, Ole Miss, and missoo, I have five

441
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:44,000
Speaker 2: contenders just because of the conference's depth. Georgia's schedule. Do

442
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:45,440
Speaker 2: you have georgia schedule in front of you.

443
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 1: I do. It's the fifth toughest schedule in America. This

444
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:49,720
Speaker 1: is it's a difficult schedule.

445
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:54,720
Speaker 2: I just I think Georgia is currently built better than

446
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 2: anybody else from the coaching staff on down in this conference.

447
00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,760
Speaker 2: If you asked me to power rank this commenter, I

448
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,680
Speaker 2: put Georgia at the top. But I don't think they're

449
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 2: so far and away bulletproof when compared to other teams.

450
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,359
Speaker 2: So I think they're not my number one team in

451
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,120
Speaker 2: the conference. But I do not have a separation point

452
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:15,919
Speaker 2: between them and other contenders.

453
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 1: So to your point, right, neutral site game to open

454
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 1: up the year against Clemson, that'd be a tough matchup.

455
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 1: They're also on the road at Kentucky, at Alabama, at Texas,

456
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:30,880
Speaker 1: at Old Miss. They've got the neutral site game against Florida.

457
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,240
Speaker 1: Who knows what to expect there I do, Sorry, I continue,

458
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 1: They host Tennessee, So no, it's not an easy schedule,

459
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:40,720
Speaker 1: Bindy stretch. Auburn is kind of mixed in there right

460
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 1: after the Alabama game. Who knows if there's any let

461
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,879
Speaker 1: down potential with that one. So yeah, no, this is

462
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 1: not the Georgia schedule that we saw a year ago

463
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 1: when we looked at the schedule when we did this

464
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 1: very episode and we said, oh yeah, they're probably going

465
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:59,119
Speaker 1: to work their way through that, no problem. Yeah, this

466
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 1: is much much different.

467
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,919
Speaker 2: And they very well made this year as well. But

468
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 2: I could with what ole Miss has done in the portal,

469
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,639
Speaker 2: and ole Miss was nowhere near Georgia last year. I

470
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,440
Speaker 2: give you that. I grant you that Texas beat the

471
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 2: team that beat Georgia. Now, transitive is not everything, it's

472
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,639
Speaker 2: barely anything. But I think you have to include Texas

473
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 2: with making the playoff, with returning their quarterback, with the

474
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 2: pluses of where Texas is at right now, with the

475
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 2: year over year steps that Sark has taken in Austin.

476
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 2: I include Texas in that. Absolutely. I'm including Bama in

477
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,400
Speaker 2: this because I'm a believer in Kaylen de Borr. I'm

478
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,639
Speaker 2: a believer in their starting point in terms of talent

479
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:41,639
Speaker 2: on both sides of the ball. I'm a believer again

480
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 2: in coaching staff and Alabama being a place where winners win.

481
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 2: That's where I am right now. And I have my

482
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,680
Speaker 2: own klen de boor conversation to have when we can

483
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 2: talk more about Bama. But I have them in that

484
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,879
Speaker 2: tier ole Miss with what they've added, exclusively losing to

485
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 2: the best and in my mind getting better or via

486
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 2: the portal, I have ole Miss in that conversation. I

487
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 2: like their schedule a good deal as well, all things

488
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:10,160
Speaker 2: being relative, and the same case for Miszoo, that returning quarterback,

489
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:14,439
Speaker 2: winning quality games last year against quality teams both at

490
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,400
Speaker 2: home and on the road, finishing the season the way

491
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 2: they did. And I know Ohio State was in a

492
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 2: weird place, but I like where Miszoo is at, you

493
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 2: know a combination of coaching and talent and returning talent

494
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 2: and what they've added bolstering certain weaknesses or questions. I

495
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 2: think Missoo absolutely is in that conversation, especially with how

496
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 2: they played, you know against Georgia last year, that they

497
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 2: stood toe to toe. Kirby was very effusive in his

498
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 2: praise about where Miszoo has come to be as a program.

499
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 2: I have Miszoo in that top tier as well.

500
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:47,439
Speaker 1: I've got Georgia on its own tier okay, just titled

501
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 1: it the team to beat, and then the next tier down.

502
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 1: I've labeled Georgia's SEC championship game opponent, and I've got Texas,

503
00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:00,360
Speaker 1: ole Miss in Alabama, Okay, in that class. I think

504
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 1: Texas is really good. I like what ole Miss did

505
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 1: in the portal. I think it's interesting that while most

506
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 1: schools are out there trying to plug holes via the

507
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,640
Speaker 1: portal link, Kiffin is doing that. But he is also

508
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 1: just stacking depth. He is stacking depth. This is a

509
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,719
Speaker 1: very deep team. We talked on kind of the first

510
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 1: of all these preview episodes, what's changing in twenty twenty four.

511
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,640
Speaker 1: There is the possibility this year that you could play

512
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 1: seventeen games if you get all the way through to

513
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 1: the national championship or lose your conference title game. Ole Miss,

514
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,680
Speaker 1: you could argue, is very well positioned for that because

515
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 1: of the depth that they've been able to build up.

516
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 1: And I could not include Alabama in here, like I

517
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 1: believe genuinely Kalen de Bor is a good coach Kalendi

518
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 1: Bors won everywhere he's been. The starting point from a

519
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,199
Speaker 1: talent standpoint is really strong. There's no reason to want

520
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 1: to put them much lower than this. I just don't

521
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 1: want to assume that the transition is seamless. Sure, you're

522
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,159
Speaker 1: moving on from the greatest coach in the history of

523
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 1: the game. Cam de Bor is not that guy. He

524
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 1: could be a very very good coach all things considered.

525
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 1: He was probably the best guy that they could have

526
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 1: gone out and got to now be the Alabama head coach.

527
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 1: But he's still not Nick Sabant, and so I don't

528
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 1: want to assume that they're just going to get back

529
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 1: to where they were previously, right Miszoo. Once we get

530
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 1: to Missoo, we can talk more about Missouri because the

531
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: schedule is very appealing. The offense looks electric. I do

532
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 1: have questions about the defense, and despite what I said

533
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 1: on one of our earlier episodes this offseason, where I

534
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,679
Speaker 1: said I thought Miszoo had room to grow, it occurred

535
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: to me in looking a little bit more at this team,

536
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 1: that I did not like them as much as I expected.

537
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 1: So for me, they represent a bit of a dilemma.

538
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:45,360
Speaker 1: I've got team to beat Georgia, Georgia's SEC Conference championship

539
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 1: game opponent Texas, Ole, miss and Alabama. And then I've

540
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 1: got two teams in this tier that I've labeled internal dilemmas.

541
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 1: And this isn't so much about them. It's really about me.

542
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,479
Speaker 1: Isn't the show always? Missouri's in there, I've also got

543
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,959
Speaker 1: LSU in there. I think LSU is an interesting dilemma,

544
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: a lot to like, a lot to be skeptical about.

545
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 1: I've got them. The next rung down is that where

546
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: you also have LSU.

547
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,479
Speaker 2: So I have My next rung down is Tennessee, LSU,

548
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 2: A and M.

549
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: I've got LSU and missoom my internal dilemmas. And then

550
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 1: the next one down is what I've been calling the

551
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 1: spicy chicken sandwich. Okay, And in that spicy chicken sandwich cheer,

552
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 1: I've got Tennessee, I've got Texas, A and M, and

553
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 1: I've also got Oklahoma.

554
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 2: So why do you have LSU above those teams?

555
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 1: I have a lot of faith in the talent on

556
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 1: hand at LSU. I have a lot of faith especially

557
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: in their ability to score points. And I think they

558
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 1: can't get any worse on defense. It has to get better.

559
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: So it's more just a talent and coaching thing for

560
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: me with LSU that you sort of know what the

561
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: baseline is. You don't expect that they're just suddenly going

562
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: to fall off the map the spicy chicken sandwich checker.

563
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 2: But didn't the defense kind of suddenly fall off the map?

564
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 2: Doesn't LSU have a very modern tale of a part

565
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 2: of their team collapsing.

566
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: They did, but it was still a good team that

567
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 1: won a bunch of games, yes, and had a Heisman

568
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: Trophy winning quarterback. So it was, yes, a distinct half team,

569
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: one of the greatest we've ever seen. But I feel

570
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 1: like with some of the changes they've made this offseason

571
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: that I'm still pretty optimistic about their chances to be,

572
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 1: you know, in that general vicinity of the contender tire.

573
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 2: I just I my view of LSU. Again, we'll get

574
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 2: into this more on the LSU specific creeview as compared

575
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 2: to Tennessee. I think it's a wilder swing in that

576
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 2: they could go ten and two, they could go seven

577
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 2: and five and look very different in doing so, depending

578
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 2: on you know, defensive improvement and transfers working out. Once again,

579
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 2: on defense, those transfers did not work out in the

580
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 2: secondary last year. So I'm I when I look at Tennessee,

581
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 2: I've seen incremental improvement on defense and a lot of

582
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 2: promise and talent building stockpiling on offense. Now I've both

583
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 2: of these guys both new full time starters at quarterback

584
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 2: for Tennessee and LSU. I just I think there is

585
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 2: something about Tennessee that I trust a little more in

586
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 2: terms of continuity and stacking improvement on top of improvement.

587
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 1: I like Nico, Yeah, we haven't seen him as a

588
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 1: full time starter, and the same is true for what

589
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 1: it's worth about Garrett Osmeyer. Yeah, they share a common

590
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 1: affliction in that sense.

591
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 2: Elsie also loses den Brock too, which I think is something.

592
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I think Tennessee is maybe the team that

593
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 1: I am most excited to talk about when we get

594
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 1: to our great area as well.

595
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got.

596
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 1: Tennessee going ten and two this year. I think it's

597
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 1: going to be a good year for the balls.

598
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 2: Wow, that's breakthrough.

599
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 1: But I put them in the spicy chicken sandwich tier

600
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 1: because I think there's some variability.

601
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 2: Did you what did you have A and M? Did

602
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 2: you have A and M?

603
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: Right here, I have A and M and the spicy

604
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 1: sandwich tier as well.

605
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 2: Okay, A and M is my team. That what did

606
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 2: you say? Was it about Miszoo or you said MS.

607
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 2: You weren't expecting to like Miszoo as much as you

608
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 2: did or do now after poking.

609
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 1: Around a lot, I'd like them more and I like

610
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 1: them less.

611
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 2: Oh you like Miszoo less than you like. Yeah, then

612
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 2: you thought you would see I like A and M

613
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 2: more than I thought I would. So maybe it's the

614
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 2: opposite there. I went in thinking like A and M's

615
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 2: going to have, you know, some tumultuous times as they

616
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 2: work in a new coach. Now they're big asterisk is

617
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 2: the Connor Wegman health thing. But I kind of like

618
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 2: where a lot of this team is. I think the

619
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 2: offensive line is going to be improved. I like the

620
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 2: pieces they bring back on defense. I just like Mike

621
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 2: Elko in general. Like if you're saying, hey, the game

622
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 2: is at twenty three all with seven and a half

623
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 2: minutes left and it's Mike Alco against the field, I

624
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 2: kind of like, we'll see how things work out with

625
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 2: Colin Klein. I don't like Jay Bateman.

626
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: By the way.

627
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 2: We'll get more into that, but I think talent will

628
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 2: make up for a lot of what I personally have

629
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 2: trouble seing. But I like A and M more. That's

630
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 2: why I have them with LSU and Tennessee And that's

631
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 2: second tier to me? Or do you have Oklahoma next

632
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 2: one down? And that's more of a schedule, Like there's

633
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 2: just elements of Oklahoma right now, so the tier down

634
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 2: With that, I have five teams in which I think

635
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 2: there is I can move around some of this between

636
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 2: this and the next tier and maybe even add a

637
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 2: fifth tier. I have Oklahoma, Kentucky, Auburn, Florida, South Carolina, Okay.

638
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 2: I have Oklahoma there because we're hoping Jackson Arnold's the guy.

639
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 2: We think the skill talent is good. The offensive line

640
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 2: took a hit and had to hit the portal, which

641
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:40,959
Speaker 2: scares me a little because I don't think you can

642
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 2: get dramatically better along the offensive line in the portal. Defensively,

643
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 2: I like where they've come. I really like where they've recruited.

644
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 2: But again, it's that schedule thing. It's Jackson Arnold throwing

645
00:32:54,280 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 2: three picks against Arizona, and you know, I'm curious about

646
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 2: the vision what it's seth Latrell and Joe John Finley

647
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 2: I think are running the offense for Oklahoma. Like I

648
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 2: think they're in a really good place for the most part,

649
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 2: with Dylan Gabriel and Jeff Levy. They haven't had like

650
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 2: the flashy star power receiver that they had with Lincoln Riley.

651
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 2: I'm curious whether a transfer receiver or a healthier dude

652
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 2: at receiver like Gavin Sawchuk fine, like I think he's good.

653
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 2: Like are they electric enough to overcome this schedule? Is

654
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 2: my question?

655
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 1: On offense. The over under for Oklahoma is seven and

656
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 1: a half, which feels really low. There is good reason

657
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: for it that we can discuss and do time. But

658
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: you look at that and it knocked me back. It

659
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: knocked me back. That was lower than I expected. You

660
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 1: look at the schedule, it makes a ton of sense.

661
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: Oklahoma has things working for them and things working against them.

662
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 1: I think they could potentially be very, very good. And

663
00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:00,479
Speaker 1: if the defense continues to improve, remember they got rid

664
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: of Ted Roof now, if the defense continues to improve

665
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: dan against this schedule against other teams in this conference,

666
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 1: I think Oklahoma could be spicy. That's why I've got

667
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 1: to be in this tier now. I've got Kentucky, Auburn

668
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 1: in South Carolina, and my next tier down, which, as

669
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 1: I said earlier, is shrug emoji. Yeah, I don't know

670
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 1: what to expect out of Kentucky. I want to expect

671
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 1: more out of Kentucky. I want to believe that the

672
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 1: new offense and Brock vander Griff and some of the

673
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 1: changes they've made are going to take hold and that

674
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,879
Speaker 1: Kentucky can finally get over the hump. But I feel

675
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 1: like most of the teams we've discussed before Kentucky are

676
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 1: all better than Kentucky. Doesn't mean they can't contend with it,

677
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 1: doesn't mean they're not going to knock some of them off.

678
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: But I just feel like all those teams are better.

679
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: Maybe I'll be wrong. Auburn a lot to like, a

680
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:56,320
Speaker 1: lot to not like. Hugh Freeze started calling the offense

681
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,760
Speaker 1: midway through last season. The offense got better, the defense

682
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:04,320
Speaker 1: wasn't bad. Still kind of don't like Peyton thorn sticks

683
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 1: in my craw And then South Carolina. I have no

684
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: idea what to expect out of South Carolina, none whatsoever.

685
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 1: If Tennessee is the one that I'm most excited to

686
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: talk about when I talk about the teams that I

687
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 1: studied in great detail. South Carolina is a team that,

688
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: genuinely I am the most clueless on. I know the names,

689
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 1: I know all the preview material. Cold. This is not

690
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,359
Speaker 1: me not doing the research. This is me doing all

691
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 1: the research and genuinely having no opinion. Yeah, and I

692
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:31,280
Speaker 1: don't know what to make.

693
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 2: Of I think that makes you a South Carolina fan.

694
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: It makes me a South Carolina fan.

695
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:34,879
Speaker 2: Yeah.

696
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,760
Speaker 1: I did not put Florida in this tier, but Florida

697
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 1: is another team to your point of Texas A and

698
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: M that when I looked at Florida, I came into

699
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,479
Speaker 1: this seeing that over under a four and a half,

700
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: which is shockingly low. I liked Florida a lot more

701
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: after studying them, genuinely. And this is not me wish

702
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: casting just because I like BILLI Napier or something. I

703
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 1: like this team way more than I expected. But the

704
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 1: schedule is miserable, and I think there's a chance that

705
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: if it comes apart for Florida, it comes apart very quickly.

706
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 2: Yeah.

707
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 1: I said it on one of the shows that we did.

708
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 1: I guess it was two episodes ago. Talking about the

709
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 1: Big twelve. There's a chance that UCF could end the

710
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: run of billion Napier in like week five.

711
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 2: They'll be very motivated, yep, extremely.

712
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 1: Motivated to knock off an in state school who now

713
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: they're recruiting against on like the power conference level. So

714
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: I've got both Florida and Arkansas in a tier that

715
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 1: I've labeled firing their coach mid season because I think

716
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: it's going to be very difficult for Florida over to

717
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,839
Speaker 1: overcome that schedule even with what amounts to a better team,

718
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: And Arkansas, I just directionally don't know where that program

719
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 1: is headed. It's one thing if Sam Pittman is able

720
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: to coach up the lines that is his pedigree and

721
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: really build a beast from the inside out. Last year,

722
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 1: the line play was really bad on offense. Yeah, on

723
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 1: offense for sure, and they not only do they lose

724
00:36:56,520 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 1: kJ Jefferson, but there is like the law of Rocket Sanders,

725
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: there is Paul quarterback. There's a lot changing there, and

726
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:07,959
Speaker 1: not the least of which is Bobby Patrina now coming

727
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: in to do his thing. I'm not sure which direction

728
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 1: that program is headed. So Florida, Arkansas and that tier

729
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 1: of firing their coach midseason, and then just my final tier,

730
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 1: which I'll throw it now, the sorry tier. I've got

731
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 1: Mississippi State in Vanderbilt, two teams that I'm not expecting,

732
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: a whole lot out of Mississippi State starting over with

733
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: the new coach, Vanderbilt starting over in some respects that

734
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,720
Speaker 1: we can detail as we get into the team previews.

735
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: But that's how this whole tier system shakes out for

736
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: being the sec The cool.

737
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 2: Thing about no matter where you have the bottom of

738
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 2: the conference in terms of contenders, right that if you

739
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 2: look at Florida, Arkansas, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt, whoever there is

740
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 2: snaking the toilet potential for all of them. Oh right,

741
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 2: if it's Vanderbilt making way more changes in the portal,

742
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,399
Speaker 2: losing quality players in the portal, but making way more

743
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:02,320
Speaker 2: changes in the portal like comparable academic places like Stanford

744
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 2: or cal or Northwestern or do like Vanderbilt. For whatever reason,

745
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 2: clark Lee was able to convince those above him that, like,

746
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:13,800
Speaker 2: we need to be a little bit more aggressive with

747
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 2: how much we can change this roster. And you know

748
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 2: I also started with naming him self defensive coordinator, bringing

749
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 2: in Jerry kill Diego Pavia. You know he destroyed Auburn

750
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 2: last year, and so with Arkansas's defensive line and maybe

751
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,439
Speaker 2: Bobby Patrino figures out a way to weaponize a really

752
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 2: interesting backfield leg wise with ja Quindon Jackson and Taylor

753
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 2: Green and Florida with the talent that they still have,

754
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,720
Speaker 2: especially at offensive skill and I thought Graham Ertz was steadied,

755
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 2: if not pretty decent last year. They all have the

756
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 2: ability to go five and seven and beat somebody improbable.

757
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 2: And so that to me makes the bottom of this

758
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:56,320
Speaker 2: conference quote unquote bottom like Mississippi States starting over, but

759
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 2: Jeff Levy's going to go fast. You know, they were

760
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 2: obviously very aggressive in the portal like it's going to

761
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 2: take a year or two, but there's still that snake

762
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,800
Speaker 2: in the toilet potential. To me, still with Mississippi State.

763
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 1: Talk to you about Auburn, I kind of breeze past them. Yeah,

764
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: I have Auburn in this tier because I don't know.

765
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 1: I'm a believer that their skill talent can get to

766
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 1: a better place, right bringing back jar Quiz Hunter adding

767
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: in somebody like cam Coleman. I like enough of what

768
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 1: they've done in the portal on defense that I think

769
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 1: they're gonna keep getting better, and like, say what you

770
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:35,320
Speaker 1: will about DJ Durkin, he coordinates very good defenses and

771
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,919
Speaker 1: it's one of the most unlikable coaching stabs, at least

772
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: in terms of the Hugh Freeze.

773
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 2: DJ Durkin. You know, rings together duos. But DJ Diurkin

774
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 2: is a good defensive coordinator who probably shouldn't be anywhere.

775
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 2: But if we're evaluating Auburn on its face, this is

776
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 2: where we are, and they should have an improved defense,

777
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 2: should be ahead of the offense. I'm with you on

778
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 2: Peyton Thorn, but I think it'll be inventive enough. They're

779
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 2: bringing what Derek Nicks from Ole Miss who has a

780
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,359
Speaker 2: very good reputation, So I think the offense will take

781
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 2: us to as as big a step forward as they can,

782
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 2: given what I think will still be limitations in the

783
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 2: passing game.

784
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 1: I really like cam Coleman there.

785
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 2: Oh he's terrific.

786
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's going to be there number one target from

787
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: day one. That'll be interesting, to say the least. So

788
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 1: that I've been jotting some notes down here, it seems

789
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 1: as if the teams that we've got some disagreement on

790
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 1: are Miszoo and LSU Tennessee and Florida. Of those teams,

791
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:33,800
Speaker 1: were there any that you found that you liked or

792
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: didn't like as much as expected when you went through

793
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:38,320
Speaker 1: and did the homework?

794
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 2: Okay, so I said I liked A and M more

795
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 2: than expected.

796
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: Like I said, I like Florida more than expected. I

797
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 1: didn't like Miszoo as much as expected. Tennessee. I think

798
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 1: I liked a little bit more Lsu. I was sort

799
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: of status quo.

800
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 2: I would probably say Oklahoma, I don't love him as

801
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 2: much as I expected to love him, because if your

802
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 2: starting point is hope about an offensive line, I like

803
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 2: the promise of especially a lot of the youth for

804
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 2: Oklahoma on defense. And I went in saying like, well,

805
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 2: Jackson Arnold, is you know Harold in the way he

806
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 2: was like, I just I don't know. Three and a

807
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 2: half questions to me is too many questions? Again, I

808
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 2: like that Ted Roof no longer there. That's great. I

809
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 2: don't think I love where they're at offensive coordinator wise,

810
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 2: we'll see. With Seth Littrell, I just we're entering into

811
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 2: a little bit of retread territory here where I'm just

812
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 2: not sure what the actual vision is yet. Happy to see,

813
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 2: happy to find out. I know they play I think

814
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 2: Houston and Tulane pretty early on so serious matchups. But

815
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:42,320
Speaker 2: I thought I would like him more than I actually do.

816
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 2: And I think it's that was more because of what

817
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:48,320
Speaker 2: they've recruited on defense. But I don't love the offense

818
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 2: as much as I thought I might.

819
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:55,280
Speaker 1: Well, I asked you between MISSOO, LSU, Tennessee and Florida,

820
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 1: and you answered, Oklahoma, I love it. That is all

821
00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 1: we do.

822
00:41:58,040 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 2: I'm just answering one.

823
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 1: No, no, no, listen, I'm looking at my tier. This

824
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,240
Speaker 1: is okay, this is this is why this conference is interesting.

825
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 2: Name me the teams again, name of the teams that

826
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 2: you asked about.

827
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 1: MISSOO, LSU, Tennessee and Florida.

828
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 2: I still have questions about LSU that prevent me from

829
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 2: falling head over heels in love. And I really like

830
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,240
Speaker 2: Blake Baker, you know he was with I think Damne

831
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 2: Clark did a really great job with him, turned him

832
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 2: into like an l SEC, if not all American caliber

833
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 2: linebacker a few years ago. And I think he's going

834
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 2: to do well by He's going to do great by

835
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 2: Harold Perkins. It's still to me a question of how

836
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 2: much better this defense can get before I'm ready to

837
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 2: be hurt again with LSU because I don't know there

838
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 2: if you can describe a quarterback as sometimes careless, which

839
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,919
Speaker 2: like at least Jacksonnarld is young, Garrettnusmeyer's been around forever,

840
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 2: and all things being equal, I kind of love the

841
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 2: idea of a quarterback saying like, screw it, let's go

842
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 2: deep and see what happens. If there is that to

843
00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:00,040
Speaker 2: Garrett Nussmeier, and I love that. So I think the

844
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 2: Garrett and us my experience will be largely great slash

845
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:09,800
Speaker 2: debilitatingly heartbreaking at times for LSU fans, But as somebody

846
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 2: not emotionally in LSU, I'm excited to watch the Tigers

847
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 2: this year. I like the you know, the bringing in.

848
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 2: I think it's CJ. Daniels from Liberty, the top tier

849
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 2: receiving transfer. Like there's a lot to love, especially if

850
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 2: they can figure out how to run the ball a

851
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 2: little bit more want to love about LSU. I'm just

852
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 2: the combination of a long roadback for the defense and

853
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 2: an at times careless quarterback. I am. I'm putting up

854
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 2: a little bit of emotional shield, of an emotional shield

855
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 2: for myself.

856
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 1: Have you given any thought to who's playing for the

857
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 1: conference championship.

858
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say Georgia Ole Miss.

859
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: I've got Georgia over Texas in mine. Okay, kind of

860
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 1: going to chalk, But do.

861
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 2: You have any Old Miss reservations? I know you talked

862
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 2: about stockpiling depth. It's almost the uh I watched Moneyball

863
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 2: a lot tie sure, and the big they're replacing it's

864
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 2: what Jason in Giambi yep, right, Like, we're not going

865
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 2: to be able to replace Jason Giambi, but maybe we

866
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 2: can in the aggregate. And so it's Ole Missing were losing,

867
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 2: We're losing Quinn Shawn Judkins. But let's bring in Logan Diggs,

868
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 2: Let's bring in Rashad Amos. Like there's enough there that

869
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 2: they're just gonna have fresh legs. I really like what

870
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 2: they've done in the portal, especially we'll see on the

871
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 2: offensive line. That's the that's the interesting thing to me.

872
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 2: The thing I don't like about Ole Miss right now,

873
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 2: as I say I have them as a pick to

874
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 2: go to the SEC championship game, it's like in games

875
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 2: they lost Jackson Dart was not good and he played

876
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 2: through a lot of injuries, and and I don't know

877
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 2: if it's Jackson Dart as much as it is like

878
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:43,320
Speaker 2: the game called, the game plan, the game planning, the

879
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 2: protection was lacking a lot at times for ole Miss

880
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,879
Speaker 2: last year. That's the worry to me that he wasn't

881
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 2: in a losing effort quarterback with ole Miss. Is there

882
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 2: anything you hesitated about with ole Miss?

883
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 1: Yeah? They got drilled against all the good teams they played. Yeah,

884
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,760
Speaker 1: it's true they got They got drilled. Like they scored

885
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 1: ten points against Alabama, they got mulled by Georgia and.

886
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 2: They didn't I don't think they got any end zone

887
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:06,879
Speaker 2: the final three quarters against Bama as well.

888
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: No, And so it's like, I want to like this

889
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: team more and I'm hopeful that with some of the

890
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: bulk now that they've added on the defensive side of

891
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 1: the ball, Clearly they're trying to ramp things up. Clearly

892
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 1: they see themselves as a contender and frankly they could

893
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 1: lose some of these games still this year and find

894
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 1: a way into the playoff. Definitely because of that expanded

895
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 1: field now, it gives teams like ole Miss another bite

896
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: at the apple. But if you're talking about getting into

897
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: that conference championship game, at some point along the way,

898
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: you got to beat somebody good. You got to beat

899
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:41,240
Speaker 1: a team that you're not favored to win. The problem

900
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 1: that I see with that train of thought is that

901
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: the schedule this year for Old Miss is pretty favorable.

902
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 1: It's so good outside of the Georgia game, which is

903
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 1: at home.

904
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:51,919
Speaker 2: Mind you, right, I think it's so good, But yes,

905
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 2: the road home road splits and the non conference none

906
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 2: a lot.

907
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 1: So to your point, they could get there without having

908
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 1: to do any of what I just described exactly right, Yeah,

909
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: which I think is an okay way to go about it.

910
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: That's why I'm not going to look down my nose

911
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: at this Ole Miss schedule.

912
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 2: They're so stacked at receiver with what they bring back

913
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 2: and Trey Harris adding Juice Wells Michael Trick, like, they're

914
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 2: so stacked there that it's Look, they have that LSU

915
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,839
Speaker 2: Oklahoma and then it's Arkansas, Georgia, Florida and the Egg Bowl.

916
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 2: But the road games this year it's at Wake at

917
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,359
Speaker 2: South Carolina, which, by the way, that's a difficult place

918
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 2: to play. I just don't know how difficult this team

919
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 2: is at LSU, at Arkansas, at Florida, all things considered,

920
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 2: it's pretty good.

921
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 1: There's also a case to be made that it ends

922
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: up this Texas Old Miss, right because Georgia, by virtue

923
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: of its schedule, which again is very very difficult, plays

924
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 1: both Texas and Ole Miss during the regular season.

925
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 2: Yes, and while I think the.

926
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 1: Texas schedule is tough, it's still is spaced out in

927
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: a pretty significant way. They don't have any of these

928
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 1: murders roles that we got to worry about, right. They've

929
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 1: got good games on the road against Texas, Texas, A

930
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: and M. They've got Georgia and Oklahoma kind of sandwiched

931
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:09,800
Speaker 1: in the middle. But with Texas having everything that it

932
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,840
Speaker 1: has back, I like their chances to get through this.

933
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 1: You know, minimum ten and two. So I could see

934
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 1: them getting to that final game against a school like

935
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 1: an Old Miss. I understand the logic. I'm just I

936
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:25,439
Speaker 1: got to see him beat somebody big before I'm willing

937
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 1: to put him in that championship game.

938
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,840
Speaker 2: Okay, does anything concern you about any of your contending teams,

939
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 2: whether it's Georgia, Texas, whatever, I mean, I know we're

940
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 2: going to get into this, but like big picture.

941
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: I don't have overwhelming concerns about Texas. I feel like

942
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 1: Texas is built in a really solid way from the

943
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 1: inside out. O Sark is another guy who has done

944
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 1: a really good job acquiring talent, and so I think

945
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 1: they're just loaded across the board. I do wonder if

946
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 1: there's any kind of step up into the SEC, just

947
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,479
Speaker 1: because we're calling these games out and as we're lining

948
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 1: schedules up next to each other, one looks easier than

949
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 1: the other. The SEC is kind of a different animal

950
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 1: than the Big twelve, and a lot of these teams

951
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:09,319
Speaker 1: we have lower on our list of tiers could still

952
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 1: jump up and get yet, sure, and Texas has proven

953
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 1: over the years that they're not necessarily immune to that,

954
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 1: So that could be a fly in the ointment on

955
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 1: the Texas side that I'm going to keep an eye

956
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 1: on the Alabama stuff. We can get into some of

957
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:26,479
Speaker 1: my Alabama concerns when we talk about Bama. We haven't

958
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 1: talked a lot about them this episode because we mentioned

959
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: so much about Nick Saban at the very top.

960
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 2: So that's the Sabin thing, is what's keeping you from

961
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 2: contender tier to you know, looking in.

962
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:39,720
Speaker 1: I think there has to be a step back yet, Okay,

963
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 1: I just think it's only natural that there's going to

964
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 1: be something of a step back and they'll be good.

965
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:47,760
Speaker 1: They're the over unders nine and a half, so Vegas

966
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 1: is not expecting like there's any kind of drop off coming.

967
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:55,320
Speaker 1: They've got more talent on their roster than you could imagine,

968
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 1: so it's not a talent thing. But I again, like

969
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 1: I said earlier, I don't know if it's going to

970
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,720
Speaker 1: be a seamless transition just into like this new regime.

971
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:06,800
Speaker 1: That's my concern with Alabama and you know, more specific

972
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:08,800
Speaker 1: positional concerns with Miszoo and LSU.

973
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't have anything on Georgia beyond the schedule. Texas,

974
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:14,280
Speaker 2: I think they did a nice job addressing the secondary,

975
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 2: which became the weakness. They won some close games last

976
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,359
Speaker 2: year against teams that it probably shouldn't have been close

977
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 2: against TCU, Houston, Kansas State, But we're dealing with what

978
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 2: it injured, Quinn yours and so you make the best

979
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 2: of it. I know Quinn came back against TCU, I

980
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 2: want to say, and they won that game, but they

981
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 2: won it close. And we saw Washington and what they were,

982
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 2: what they were able to exploit, and there was some

983
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 2: interesting play calling I would say from Texas late in

984
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 2: that Washington game. But we're nitpicking here. Washington was an

985
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 2: excellent team and so I guess that's it, like winning

986
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 2: closes better than losing closes, which was what they did

987
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 2: two years ago in Texas. We'll talk more about Bama

988
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 2: and in terms of concerns about Miszoo, who I like

989
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 2: more than you. I'm not worried about the law of

990
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:03,240
Speaker 2: Cody Schrader. Again, the Billy Bean replaced in the aggregate,

991
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:08,399
Speaker 2: and I guess it's somewhat on defense, but they've also

992
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 2: like recruited really well there. Like I don't know, they

993
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 2: lose Blake Baker, which I think can be a hit.

994
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 2: They were very aggressive as a defense, blitzed a ton,

995
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:20,360
Speaker 2: but I like the higher they made. I think it

996
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 2: was South Alabama's coordinator. I want to say Mizoo brought in.

997
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 1: I don't know.

998
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 2: I think they're a well coached team. And when you

999
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 2: lose relatively close to only strong teams or in the

1000
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 2: case of LSU, a really strong offense, I don't know.

1001
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 2: I'm not terrified of being wrong about Miszoo.

1002
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 1: Okay, well that doesn't for part one. Yes, those are

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